Find a flaw

>>381432203
Its been milked to much.

>>381432203
Every dungeon is the same.

Not enough spells.

No replayability.

>>381432203
It exists.

Getting re-released for a third time

>>381432245
That's not a fault within the game though

>>381432290
True, been the case of every TES game so far

>>381432310
True

>>381432359
False

Combat. Shallow quests. Stupid skill/perk system.

Tes5 is not a bad game, it's just a bad RPG.

>>381432453
>That's not a fault within the game though
True. But the game lives with the side effect of it. The only part i didnt like was the removal of stat leveling and the simplification of it.

>>381432505
>Tes5 is not a bad game, it's just a bad RPG.

Oh fuck off with this meme. It's a bad game, a bad TES (not that TES has ever been good but still) and a bad RPG. There's not a single redeeming quality in Skyrim.

You gotta join the thieves guild and pledge your soul to a daedric lord to get the last shout

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>>381432679

>>381432634
well, oblivion got a huge backlash for its leveling and scaling so if they had kept it in it would have been even worse

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>>381432838
Wrong picture?

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>>381432769
Cherrypicking at its maximum. Ancestral Tombs are more than 60% of Morrowind's dungeons and most of them look literally like pic related. But I guess posting small caves of Skyrim and Oblivion and a MQ one of Morrowind is part of the shilling.

Now go back to r*ddit.

>>381432679
I disagree. Even though there are many flaws, I still have a lot of fun playing it (mostly because of mods). It should just be called a first person platformer action game adventure.

>>381433190
>r*ddit
you first.

I can't

You have to be the master of every guild and group if you want all the Shouts, no alternative way to get them, the game de-emphasizes build variety and ROLEPLAYING by forcing you to join everything and everyone if you want to play around with its main gimmick.

>>381433195
Yeah, it's an okay experience with mods. However I was referring to the vanilla game experience, as if you install a bajillion mods it's not really Bethesda's game anymore.

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>>381432203
Nothing. The game is flawless. It is also a mere $39.99 on steam right now for the Special Edition. Definitely buy a copy. Even if you already own it, it doesn't hurt to have a second or third copy.

>>381433276
Wow, the shill bot is malfunctioning.

>>381433190
Yeah because the rest of the Daedric Shrines, Dwemer Ruins, mines, caves and Dunmer Fortresses are itty bitty little corridors.

>>381433398
Are you seriously sitting there defending Skyrim?

>>381432203
I dont like how you become the dragonborn and unlock those gamebreaking cheese shouts so early, should have been a lategame thing imo but other than that it's an okay game I guess

>>381433190
>censoring yourself
You must be at least 18 to post here.

>>381433352
B-but todd, skyrims is more than 3 years old. Surely it would be cheaper?

>>381433190
I'll attempt to defend Morrowind's tombs. What I see in your pic is a tunnel with an entrance and a hallway connecting to several burial chambers and shrines. What I see in >>381432769 Skyrim section is a deliberately linearized progression of a pathway of connecting arenas that culminates in a one-way portal that leads to the exit to remove backtracking. The former looks like a small but lore-friendly Dunmer tomb. The latter looks like a rail shooter level in a babbys first light gun game.

What I mean is that although the tomb is small, it's not compromised by a misguided design philosophy of unnecessary streamlining. That's what actual historical ancestral tombs on Earth are like. Skyrim has levels. Morrowind has places.

>>381432203
The magic system is extremely stripped down and limited, the enemies are lacking in variety, the dungeons are dull and uninspired the quests are boring and often nonsensical, it's too easy to become the leader of all the guilds without even being good at the things those guilds do, the game tells you everything and handholds you constantly, the enemies are damagesponges with shit AI, surrendering enemies don't actually surrender, every single character has the same combat AI regardless of who they are supposed to be, the civil war plot-line is underutilized and boring because you never see any legitimately big fights, the vast majority of the weapons and armours have dull, generic designs that lack the character of those same items from earlier games in the series.

I could go on if you need some more.

>>381433715
Agree with everything except i like the armour in skyrim, and its the best in the series

>>381433715
Also, no support roles. I mean, come one, how hard is it to program an AI that just stays back and heals you?

>>381433494
Are you seriously defending a game with no talking and walking NPCs, no NPC schedules, little unique dialogue which it's only positive aspects (according to fans) are immersion and atmosphere?

>>381433534
how new?

>>381433715
Yeah its sucks that raising the difficulty literally just makes everything slower than kill instead of actually raising the difficulty. Also, spellcrafting is probably the biggest reason I sometimes replay oblivion. I don't understand why they took that out in fagrim.

>>381433979
It's actually funny seeing grown adults go through every single quest of 3 games to cherrypick whatever they want so they make the first one look the best in a website about chinese cartoons

>>381434128
not and argument

>>381432203
no spellcrafting

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>>381433919
>it's only positive aspects (according to fans) are immersion and atmosphere

Yeah because those are the absolute things I would ever want in a role playing game

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>>381433912
DELET

>>381432203
The guild quests suck

>>381434128
After you made this thread and all

>>381434310
yeah, such great immersion when literally 99% of the NPCs have no personality, life, schedule, unique dialogue or history. But I suppose having hollow shells of NPCs just for quantity over quality is immersive, and therefore Fallout 4 is the most immersive game ever

Assassin's creed style acrobacy skill tree back in TES6 for sure?

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>Feel inspired to play
>Download 30+ mods
>Painstakingly create character's apperance and backstory
>Play for an hour or two
>Textures turn purple
>Game crashes
>Stop playing
>Repeat

>>381432203
Just like oblivion you hear the same 4 or 5 voice actors everywhere

>>381433715
>every single character has the same combat AI regardless of who they are supposed to be

objectively wrong. I agree with the rest tho

>>381434448
I sure do love hearing the same 5 voice actors over and over

>>381434541
Do you have a toaster? If not, there is this modpack with hundreds of mods already, "perfectly modded", you may try that. I didn't because I run a toaster.

>>381434541
>Download 30+ mods
>Textures turn purple

Skyrim is a shit game (sorry todd) but man, you must be even worse at modding

>>381433026
I liked Oblivion though. Its my favorite wrpg.

>>381433912
fuck, i played through the thieves guild questline hundreds of times and i never noticed how stupid that plotpoint was. i feel retarded

>>381432679
False. The soundtrack is fantastic.

>>381433190
I don't mind small or linear dungeons if they make sense in context of the game world.

Whiterun is too fucking tiny, actually all towns are smaller than they should.
Also main quest completely sucks

It's not Morrowind

>>381434541
>Download 30+ mods
that's like the bare essentials you need to make all the other mods work

>>381434541
How do you fuck up this badly lmao

>>381433352
But there is a steam sale soon

I went into Skyrim with the sole expectation that it would be better than Oblivion, if only slightly, and I wasn't disappointed.

A perfect example of a mediocre triple-A title: 6 out of 10.

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I can't even get mad about all the re-releases. How many times did Capcom re-release Resident Evil 4?

>>381436283
PS2
PC
Wii
PS3
Xbox 360
PC
PS4
Xbox One

8 different ports, released 9 times.

>>381434869
>>381434961
>>381435525
>>381435591
My specs
Geforce 940M
i7 6500u 2.5 GHz
8 gigs of ram

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>>381436621
Your specs matter not if you're retarded anon.

Did you use MO, LOOT, SKSE, ENBoost and Crash Fixes?

>>381436621
You'll be fine. Try it and tell us if it is any good.

>>381436745
SKSE is a given, I sort with loot every single time I add a new mod,I personally prefer Nexus to MO and I do have crash fixes
Should I post my load order?

>>381437068
>I personally prefer Nexus to MO
AND
WE
ARE
FUCKING
OUT OF HERE

>>381437068
>NMM
Holy shit you massive faggot
>>381437113

>>381436283
I feel like the issue for me is that as far as I know Capcom doesn't shill the fact that it's porting RE4 again like it's the greatest thing ever.

The fact that Bethesda actually tried to get me excited for Skyrim on the Switch and for the paid mods shit left a much more sour taste in my mouth.

>>381437068
>I sort with loot every single time I add a new mod
You shouldn't do that. Loot is fine for running you first sorting before you start the game. Changing you load order while playing will fuck you game up, fampai.

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>>381437113
>>381437194
O-okay I'll switch if it's that bad

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>>381437068
>NMM

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>>381437068
>I personally prefer Nexus to MO
>I'm personally retarded

i do not understand the hate
i still enjoy this game to this very day

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>>381437284
http://www.tesgeneral.com/essential

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHgULB431Os

>>381437284
Don't do it cuz strangers told you to, do it because NO is objectively superior in every single way. And go follow a guide.

In fact, use this one

http://wiki.step-project.com/User:Paul666root/SRLE_LOTD_Reqtified

>>381432290
for the most part, this

and also, drab dreary world with shitty character models unless you mod the shit out of it.

>and obligatory "they keep rereleasing it"

Draugr
Then when you get near the end game, its just draugr deathlords screaming at you. Got old quick.

>>381432203
It has not enough RPG elements, like, for exemple, stats.
Lack of weapon and armor variety.
Lack of meaningful impact of the player on the world.
Lack of weapon and armor variety.
Lack of spell variety.
Lack of skill variety.
In retrospective, perks suck. I liked the oblivion system better where you would get special abilities by gaining ranks in skills
Lack of weapon and armor variety
I like it but if I want to play a Role Playing game I'll just boot morrowind or whatever.
Except morrowind doesn't manage to hold my breath anymore, it has aged. I need a new fix

>>381437381
>i do not understand the hate
You probably don't know how to read either, because it is explained in detail in this very thread. And most of use still like skyrim, so long as it is modded to smooth some of these flaws.

>>381432769
Hey Kirkbride why don't you show us Dwemer ruin with 2 rooms and 3 monsters n°7643 ?
You know, something more representative of the game content

>>381437284
Not them but switching from NMM to MO has been much better especially in the long run

>>381433126
In morrowind's case it's okay as long as the description is true and precise. Otherwise it becomes a raging nightmare.
Only happened once or twice tho, and I like it better than skyrim system which is plain laziness from the devs.
A vague direction like in Witcher 3 would work better

>>381437895
yes i am illiterate
no bully

>>381437284
In short: MO allows you to fuck everything up because none of that matters since your mods aren't ACTUALLY in the Data folder and you can fix that shit easily. They're just loaded through the MO every time you start the game. This allows you switch out without risks.

NMM is just a slow outdated garbage. Read http://www.tesgeneral.com/essential

>>381438324
>people have to be literally illiterate to like skyrim
Who would have though?

>>381433715
>generic designs that lack the character of those same items from earlier games in the series.
Like Oblivion's glass armor :^) ?

>>381433912
My eyes... They're opening.
Also isn't Mercer immune to a lot of shit and that's why you need Nocturne's benediction to be able to get him ?

>4gb ram limit on dx9 with windows 10
easy.

>>381438338
Does it support Fallout 4?
I'm kinda fed up with NMM and Nexus, but I still need it for F4.

>>381437113
It works, stay fucked

every character has the most boring dialogue possible
>I work for Belethor at the general goods store

>>381438901
I have no idea I didn't even pirate FO4. It works for NV though.

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>combat is a key element
>its the worst part of the game

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>>381439031
See you in a fucking week hombre.

>>381438868
>windows 10
That's your own fault

>>381433190
It makes sense that it's small though. Little Grandma Aralen has to go out to this tomb to visit her husband's ashes or something. I can't see any Nord grandma going to the likes of Bleak Falls Barrow to visit her mummified husband, even back when the barrows were new. The ones in Morrowind feel like a real place. Every dungeon in Skyrim feels like a ride at a theme park.

>>381439170
It's basically Daggerfall/Morrowind/Oblivion combat but with better animations.

>>381439170
>You will never get TES with Mount and Blade combat

>>381432203
Nothing it's a true classic and worth ever single penny it costs.

>>381439245
Sure.

>>381439557
Stop selling me this game Todd. I bought it once already.

>>381434869
WHERE

>>381439170
Morrowind's combat fucking sucks but I feel that I'm at least accomplishing something

>>381439871
It's a reddit repack and it's absolute trash. Just mod your fucking game.

>>381439473
More like
>you will never get TES with any of the things discussed in this thread that would make for a better game
Let's face it, Bethesda isn't moving in a forward direction. Every thing a new Bethesda game did better than its predecessor were because of technological improvement outside of the company's control, namely just graphics. At this pace, TES6Syrim2 will be less than shit.

>>381439946
Please elaborate further. From the site, I read the next update to it will focus on quests, which would be a nice addition to a game where everyone already knows everything that's going to happen. What are the downsides?

>>381440158
I skimmed through the modlist and I saw bloated pieces of shit mods. Guy recommending TK dodge and it doesn't even have Attack Commitment in it. Pure trash.

Learn to mod your own game because only you can outfit it for yourself. With MO profiles you have no excuses not to.

>>381434541
>tfw spent the past 6 hours installing and modding sex mods into skyrim
>going to take at least 3 more since i have to pirate the dlc, try to figure out whats incompatible and then download even more mods because for some reason basic shit like cumshots and the actual way to start the animations are seperate downloads
JUST PUT THE ALL THE NECESSARY BASICS INTO ONE DOWNLOAD YOU FUCKS

>>381433295
I always use "tcl" to get the fire shout from the companions tomb when playing a mage. I also use "tcl" to avoid joining the mages guild in the main quest when playing a fighter. No matter what I'm playing, I always click on Brynjolf and Maul and type "disable" when entering Riften for the first time.

This game was a mess of bad ideas.

>>381433295
>>381440646
Get Skyrim Unbound and Skyrim Unlocked.

>>381432203
Shitty writing where every character ends sucking your dick two quests later. Becming the boss of every guild is dumb as shit.

>>381440495
you might as well start over
if you intall the dlc after the mods, it's going to be fucked

>>381440374
The thing is, the modpack makes it so skyrim, supposedly, because I haven't tested it, uses all the resources of the machine, including 8+ cores and 8GB+ ram, without CTDs. I can't use TKdodge because it's so damn slow, so if it outs those extra cores to good use, that alone is enough for me. Besides, you can disable individual mods in it if there's anything you don't like. Too bad I run a toaster and can't check it for myself.

>>381440896
>uses all the resources of the machine, including 8+ cores and 8GB+ ram, without CTDs.
Buzzwords and horseshit. VRAM bugfix for Oldrim isn't even out and it'll only be possible on W10.

>be warrior covered head to toe in steel plate
>can become the archmage of the college of winterhold without casting spell past the opening test you can fudge at low levels no fucking problem

>>381441703
Get College Days and Immersive College of Winterhold.

>>381432203
Magic is shit

>>381433912
>>381433912
Based Shamus

>>381432203
Needs more mods.

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>>381444219

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How many mods would you say at the minimum are needed to actually play this game?

Obviously 1 is an answer because the unofficial patch is a literal must have but what's your number?

>>381444414
Like, fifty.

>>381444414
2
UOP and unofficial shivering isles patch

Not enough cheese rolls.

>>381444414
excluding bugfixes and the like, maybe 10

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>>381444646
>playing oblivion without OOO

>>381444646
You also need Unofficial Oblivion DLC Patches for KotN and all those house DLCs.

>>381444414
182 aproximately last I checked. They really fucked up this game and it took the whole community to fix it. I hate Bethesda and Todd but love the community for actual piecing together a good open world immersive fantasy experience from the garbage that was vanilla skyrim.

>download skyrim
>take 6 hours to download mods, managers, script extenders etc to make the game remotely playable
>it crashes due to some mod conflicting with something or another
>spend another several hours trying to fix it
>now it doesnt crash but some shit is off and areas buggy or textures mixing
>take another few hours tweaking shit
>realize youve had the game for a day and still havent actually played a second of it

>>381445556
>>381435591

>>381437068
>I personally prefer Nexus to MO
I can't believe people like you actually exist.

>>381444414
What mod?

there is literally nothing wrong with NMM. are people really this autistic about WHERE you store your mods?

>>381432203
I can't install all porn mods at once

>>381446925
It's not too late to switch anon.

>>381446909
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/66967/

Its not Morrowind.

>>381446925
NMM would crash or be very slow whenever i wanted to install or unistall a mod, with MO you can simply tick the boxes and the mod will load, plus you can make different profiles with separate saves.
NMM isn't bad, MO is just better.

>>381432203
Thought I'd post this here, I have played a heavily modded skyrim and enjoyed exploring around and am looking for a rpg to pass the time with. preferably a game that doesn't need 100 mods to be fun and with a good combat system.
I've played botw, the witcher 3, dragons dogma and souls series.
>inb4 oblivion and morrowind

>>381432203
Combat is boring, Bethesda AI pathfinding is as retarded as ever. I killed a dragon my first time playing the game (a friend let me bullshit around for a bit) and there was no enjoyment to be garnered from it. It could barely land to attack me because it couldn't properly navigate through trees. The game is fucking awful, familia

>>381447403
>NMM isn't bad
Except for when it decides to permanently fuck your Data folder up and you have to reinstall the entire game and scrub your registry. Fuck NMM.

>>381432203

Not enough depth

>>381447607
ah, it's been a while so i forgot about that... yeah NMM makes a big mess. When it comes to games like Dragon's Age, I prefer manual installation over NMM desu.

>>381447835
I remember using a separate mod manager for Dragon Age. Can't remember which one.

Also for Oblivion, Oblivion Mod Manager is the superior manager despite being a predecessor to NMM.

>>381447948
What about MO for Oblivion?

>>381447463
Gothic 1, 2 & 3
Although i recommend starting with 2, amazing game with great combat system. Just a little word of advice: controls and combat can feel clunky for the first few hours. All can be played perfectly fine with no or minimal mods, although 3 absolutely requires community patch to be playable.

>>381448178
Didn't use them. Haven't modded Oblivion in a while. MO didn't even exist when I was doing it. Hell not even LOOT existed, I was using BOSS.

>>381448468
ah, i see, how big was the modding scene for oblivion back then?
i'm a newfag to PC gayming

>>381448954
Honestly it was pretty decent. Bunch of complete overhauls that made the game play completely different. Oblivion really needed those overhauls because the game is fucked in terms of scaling.
It was really something when OBGE first became a thing and people got blown away by God's Rays.

Skyrim exploded in that regard mostly because Oblivion garnered a reputation with modability.

>>381432203
they fuck up all the classic rpg elements combat is boreing, there are no classes and attrabutes, birthsigns are a joke, hell they even removed items breaking now its fully casialized same with fallout 4

>>381449438
The OBGE dude released the Skyrim version but at this point ENB is more refined.
Which overhauls would you recommend? Gonna start playing older games i never got the chance to.

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>>381450061
>Which overhauls would you recommend?
I always recommend playing the games fully vanilla the first time around. So you can better know what to fix later.

For Oblivion in particular I recommend OOO http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46199/? with Shivering Isles patch http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46508/? and creature/equipment add-ons http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45380/? / http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/46028/?

FCOM is an insane overhaul that mixes a bunch of other overhauls together. However installing it is downright impossible so I just recommend getting the pre-installed repack if you ever want to try this monstrosity https://tesrenewal.com/forums/elder-scrolls-games/oblivion/2460

If you want to make the game look pretty check this guide out http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/47591/?

For pretty much everything else check out:
http://www.tesgeneral.com/oblivion-guide
http://www.tesgeneral.com/oblivion-essentials
http://www.tesgeneral.com/oblivion-gameplay
http://www.tesgeneral.com/oblivion-graphics
http://www.tesgeneral.com/oblivion-quest-and-environment

>>381451007
aye, i always make a vanilla play-trough.
These are some awesome looking mods, thanks a lot for the list, i just need space on my HDD now...

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>>381432203
Here you go my man, was not even that hard

>>381439170
Pretty much this.
Fallout nv also suffers from this, but it is carried by story and quests.
Skyrim is just and empty nothingness.

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>>381433352
But why would I need a new copy since I already own the game and have owned for the pas... Wait a minute...