Name a good series that shat the bed on its final installment.

wario land(master of disguise)

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>>381411117
I will never not be mad. Fuck ZTD. Fuck Uchi. Fuck Uchi apologists.

Mass Effect 2

>>381411117
It shat the bed with VLR anyway.
>attempts to make a self contained story some kind of retarded series
>fails to tie up any meaningful plot point with sequel baits

fallout

>>381411117
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
There are moments when a single game can make a series go extinct.

dark souls

>>381412206
why the fuck didn't they just use the fax machine to kill the snail

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>carlos goes back in time to save junpei and akane in one timeline
>because he went to before timelines split, he's in all of them
>even if carlos dies he's still alive on the outside and tries to break them out
>there's two of him in the good ending

Diablo

Why couldn't Diana and Sigma not go in the alien fax machine with their kids again?

>>381413156
There's no known link between the snail and the terrorist, it's thanks to the snail that so many espers were able to meet in order to stop him.

Breath of Fire, anyone?

>>381412038
Prime 3 isn't considered as good as the other two but it didn't shit the bed in any way. It was a good ending to the trilogy and didn't make Prime 1 or 2 have any less value.

>>381413527
Sigma's dick was the size of both kids so they wouldn't be able to fit.

>>381413530
the snail is the terrorist

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>>381413864
>mfw

>>381411117
>final
Not many series are designed to end
They could easily continue ZE, even

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>>381413584
You're forgetting something anon.

>>381414295
To be fair it's not the last in the timeline which helps people discard it from their memories.

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>>381414419
>At least we'll have memes
Amen

Bullshit.

Y'all seem to remember 999 as some sort of fucking masterpiece. Replay it. It is not. The only way to find out how to get the true ending is trial and error, characters act just as retarded if not more retarded than in Zero Time (Clover kills everyone for no real reason for one thing), and last fucking boss is sudoku.

>>381414869
>The only way to find out how to get the true ending is trial and error
I would have gotten it in the first time if I didn't have the safe ending, what are you talking about?

>>381411419
>>381411323
>>381411117
As someone who hasn't yet but plans on playing this series, what's the problem with it? Please minimize spoilers.

>>381414952
it is shit

>>381414926
Do you understand the concept of trial and error? Just because you got lucky does not mean it wasn't stupid.

Command and Conquer

>>381414869
but i love sudoku

>>381414952
It's complete fucking shit.

Chris Metzen's Starcraft

>>381415007
>>381415135
But how?

>>381414952
The was initially canned due to poor sales / lack of funds from the 2nd game. Fans started a campaign to show support and get the 3rd game; 3rd game gets made.

Uchikoshi (writer / director) decides to toss the original script, get a new team with inexperienced animators, "appeal to a new audience" (and also Western audience) by copying The Walking Dead, and scraps most of the plot points that were hinted at being resolved from the first two games.

It ends about as well as you would expect. There's a particularly bullshit plot device and twist which became infamous due to any lack of real foreshadowing at all.

>>381414952

First game is Spider Man.
Second game is Spider Man 2.
Third game is Spider Man 3.

>>381415168
that would require spoilers

>>381415258
third game is retardedly edgy and pointlessly convoluted?

>>381415025
It's not exactly luck, you just go the route the game wants you to
>Agree to go with Akane for door 5
>Take the bookmark from Santa
>IIRC you're pushed to go door 7, which is where you give Clover bookmark
The only real place to mess up is choosing door 1,2, or 6. It's harder to get the safe ending than the true ending. And it at least gives it some replayability at the very least.

>>381414952
>Please minimize spoilers

First two games are fantastic.

Third game requires an alien fax machine that popped out of thin air to fix all the issues it created, and it then created even more issues.

>>381415025
I think the game just isn't for you the trial and error game play and the attaining of multiple endings is the whole point of the first two games.

>>381415293
Actually... yes.

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>>381415332
>an alien fax machine that popped out of thin air
is this a metaphor or what

>>381415105
Sudoku's fine, but it's not a good life-and-death gamble that you need to see the future to complete.

Alternate ending: June isn't retarded and just completes the sudoku on her own. Ace realises that anyone can complete a simple math problem and none of this is really going to solve his brain problem and retires. Fin~

>>381415412
>is this a metaphor or what

What.

>>381415168
>dropped plots from previous games
>completely different tone and presentation
>second stupidest plot twist in the series
>adding even more sci fi elements absent from >previous games
>final boss is an insane ruseman
The trainwreck ending is enjoyable once you accept the series died, it was a hilarious crash.

>>381415412
"What" is what everyone said when the game revealed the literal alien fax machine.

>>381415556
An actual alien fax machine? That's actually part of the plot?

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>>381415412
No. That's exactly what it is.

Also the "twist" in the game is that you play from the perspective of a man pretending to be retarded. That's not a metaphor either.

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>>381415168
You asked for it.

>>381415451
I think it works in the context personally. It's a game revolving around the number 9, sudoku is a game with 9 3x3 grids revolving around getting 9 numbers in correct sequencing. You're right in that it's not the most tense game, but when you're locked in a room threatening to burn you to a crisp with a timelimit and after hours of turmoil trying to get out of a god forsaken survival quest and you're only a kid, a breakdown and inability to compute makes sense.

>>381415412
No it's a lazy justification for putting another entry level thought experiment into the game so they can spend twenty minutes explaining the ins and outs of it

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>>381415576
>tfw it really sounds like a fucking joke
It's that bad anon

>>381414952

>Please minimize spoilers.

You don't make this shit easy.

First game was a fantastic 10/10 visual novel with a unique twist on the delivery of a narrative, and while it was a self-contained story it opened up a whole world of possibilites.

Second game was a 9/10 visual novel that was more of the same but improved in most ways that mattered, though the urgency in the tone of the game was decreased a bit due to executive pressuring. That said, it picked right back up in the latter portion of the game, and the ending set up the overall trilogy to be one of the best, if not the absolute best, stories in gaming.

The third game, after having the story drafted, completed, then cancelled, then revived (in that order), was pretty much re-written because the writer thought he'd get bored writing scenarios he already knew the conclusion to (even though he actually only wrote 1/3 of the scenarios in the game anyways). The new story was altered drastically, with a lot of dropped plot points from the previous games, several deus ex machina's, a much smaller variety of interaction between the cast, very rushed/crowded reveals, and an anti-climatic ending. It was very apparent that it was not the originally designed story, and it ends up coming off as almost fan-fiction, but it's officially licensed.

More so than all of the failures the third game had on it's own, it didn't live up to the potential that the first and second set it up for, and once the writer re-wrote everything because he was bored, it didn't even try to.

Shadow Hearts.

Gimme Yuri.

>>381415576
Like there is a legitimate alien fax machine. It's extra-terrestrial and it's origin is never explained outside of that, and it's function is to be able to send a copy of a person to a different or previous history. It's dropped into the series in the third act of the third game, when there has been NO MENTION of any extra-terrestrial stuff in any of the previous games.

>>381415710
>so they can spend twenty minutes explaining the ins and outs of it

AND EVEN THEN THEY DO IT WRONG.

They spend twenty minutes explaining the Teletransportation Paradox as if it applies to it. Then, when it's discovered that it's basically a cloning machine that sends the copies to another timeline, they go WHOOPS, shit blows up, and it's never touched upon again.

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>>381414952
999 game is good self-contained story with minor cliffhanger. Also, best artstyle.
VLR game is good self-contained story with big cliffhanger. Decent art style, but I prefered
ZTD game is shit.

Now, the problem is that 999, VLR and ZTD are supposed to be a part of bigger story in the same universe - and they do that terribly. VLR is supposed to be sequel to 999, but it does not follow the ending of the game exactly. Instead we get new story, that does not answer any of the questions that were left unanswered after 999 ending. It changes how some things works (ESPers for example, in 999 it was said that there are the transmitters and the receivers - and they can communicate with each other across time and space, in ZTD this changes, and now ESPers can just send their own consciousness to their own body in any timeline, ZTD goes even further and changes even more how ESPers work, even adding new type - MINDHACKERS, because fuck you, why not?). The characters change drastically between each game - so the Junpei from 999 is nothing like Junpei from ZTD, same with Akane, Sigme, Phi - basically it's like they are new characters. The plot twists are retarded, the puzzles are repeatable.

If you want to get into ZE, then go for 999. Don't bother with VLR unless you absolutely want more of the same but slightly different. Don't bother with ZTD at all.
Also, treat each game as separate entity.

>>381417080
As retarded as Mind-Hacking was, some version of it was foreshadowed in VLR, as it was very heavily implied that Brother could read minds. That said, what we GOT was fucking retarded.

And Phi definitely didn't feel like a new character Cause she wasn't even in the game anyways.

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>>381414952
Don't let it deter you from playing the first two but expect disappointment.

>>381417080
>Please minimize spoilers.

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>>381417403
No point, third game is shit anyway.

Also, I didn't spoiled anything too important like who was Zero in each game or the final twists of any of the games

>>381411117
Command and Conquer. Tiberium Saga. The last game will forever hurt.

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>>381413530
Nobody suspects the snail.

>>381411117
> mfw the snail article on the zewiki was not the result of shitposters

>>381414242
I think this thread can include games that killed the franchise.

>>381417779
What?

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>>381417779

Jeez, no wonder my friend stopped talking about this series. He was all hyped when I told him I got 999, talking about what a great trilogy it would be, and then he just clammed up about the series.

>>381417779
That poster is a fucking goldmine for retard posts.

Isn't he the same one that went on about how Silent Hill was about circumcision?

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>>381411117
NON
CANON
META
FICTION

>>381418072
Yes and recently he's into the Megami Tensei wiki. Fortunately the mods there won't tolerate his fan wanking bullshit.

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>>381417947
AlexShepard is a wikia editor notorious for trying to make SH4 a commentary on circumcision and it turns out he hangs out on ZE wiki (notorious for being a spoiler minefiled and overall garbage). Someone shitposted on the ZE wiki explaining that Sigma activated his esper powers because he was circumcised.

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>>381417965
I remember when they gave him that sign in person. Fun times.

>>381413584
1 > 3 > 2

2 is just a sloppy rehash of 1 with a terrible light/dark world gimmick that wasn't fun or interesting when they did it in LTTP.
anyway, glad there's going to be a fourth, and that it's not done by retro.

It has a dumb story, terrible animation, mindless puzzles, shit characters, BUT

There's nothing else like it and it's a lot of fun following the story up until you realize with absolute certainty how dumb it is. It's a cool mystery and situation. It's just the writer has a track record of not knowing how to come up with a cool ending for his cool story ideas.

>>381411117
Fan sequel that surpasses the actual game when?

>>381414952
Ace is Zero
Alice is Zero
Carlos is the only good part, don't bother with this piece of shit and just pirate it instead of reading my possibly fake spoilers.

>>381418751
That's the only way we'll get a non-retarded final game, but if you want something that isn't just a VN and isn't RPG maker or flash tier you need to assemble a damn good team and be ready to wait 10 years for it.

>>381419207
A lot of the fan theories were actually more interesting than what we got.