Congrats Blizzard, you ruined one of the most basic formulas

>>381401356
Hmm?

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>mad because he has to git gud and play like a proper tank instead of just 1 shot killing everything

>>381401356
I've been wrecking shit with neohog OP. git fucking good.

>>381401356
stop playing a shit game
>Blizzard
I think you mean Activision. Blizzard is the one that made good games

>>381401506
/thread
>says a mercy main

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>>381401356
I dont care, I just wanna fap to Roadhog.

This. Blizzard ruined a hero that was meant to instant-kill heroes who got greedy and went out of position. He's no longer his mantra: a one-man apocalypse. He has to rely too much on his team to make him viable, all the while still being an ult battery to the enemy team. I would have preferred a nerf to his healing or HP than a nerf to his damage. A glass cannon is still better than a pile of trash

>>381402535
>out of position
No he is meant to bring people out of position to initiate combat.

When Genji got nerfed was the bitching this bad?

>>381401356
They need to just rework him completely or remove him. His whole concept is retarded. Either he is a one man killing machine in a team game or he's useless.

Shoot hook and shoot again and everyone still dies anyway. And M2 is still strong as hell

>>381402535
>I can't wander the map and declare everyone out of position ass I one shot them like motherfucking Oprah on free car day anymore waaaaah
Looks like you're just bitter now that other characters can punish you for being out of position. So sad.

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>>381402535
>>381402641
It's both really.

While every other tank has some form of shield Roadhog creates a safe space around him for fear of being hooked

Previously anyone 250hp and under had to beware of their placement and Roadhogs.

Now since they've nerfed both hook and scattergun his reliability as both a tank and key target eliminator has dropped significantly

Twelvie hanzo mains got hooked in QP because decent Roadhogs clean up in that game mode. Nobody plays healer or tank in QP, and Blizzard is balancing the game around their most casual game mode

>>381402937
Not really but Genji users usually are better players. Roadhogs are basically players that like easy kills and do well with minimum effort.

>>381402937
Genji is still the second best dps in the game and wasn't nerfed nearly as hard.

???

Just shoot twice.
Its fast as fuck now.

>>381402937
Yeah apparently after that nerf he was unplayable trash and would definitely never be seen in pro games again.

:^)

>>381405246
>Just shoot again after they have already used their escape or shield

He still plays fine. I see hogs wrecking shit in every game.

>>381404379
You are full of shit bro, you have to play QP to remember whats that

>>381405439
>I have to deal with enemies putting up a fight now waaaaaaaaaah

The reason hook combo was shit was it had the power of Widow with an easy to land projectile.
This meant any experienced hog could snipe an entire team with minimal effort or skill.

Hog has been improved for everyone who isn't a shitter. Being able to instagib everyone doesn't help when you're shit-useless with your hook on cooldown. He can still hook people into the fray and get them raped, and is more threatening with it on cooldown.

He's only ruined for trash players looking for an easy ego trip.

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>>381404379
did you just say that blizzard is nerfing/buffing based on qp?

>>381405439
>What do you mean I can get outplayed now? This is an outrage!

Just play Symmetra, easy team wipe and more useful to the team than Hog

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>wahh I cant oneshot most of the characters anymore
>wahh I cant pull in people from 100 ft away and instantly kill them

>>381405694
>>381405789
Who knew mashing e was skill intensive counterplay?

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>>381404379
>250hp and under

You know he could kill Zarya's with his hook combo, right?

>>381401356
They've been doing it since the game launched anon

>Roadhog's hook is unfair!!!!!
>Hanzo's broken "shoot scatter arrow at feet for a guaranteed instakill most of the time and an RNG instakill all the other times" is perfectly fair and balanced

Is it weird if I find roadhog more fun like this? He's still an effective tank.
His shotgun is practically automatic now, it's awesome. The nerf isn't too bad either, I can still hook kill a Sym just fine.

>>381406004
Patience. Hes next.

>>381402937
No, because all the trashcan shitters that would normally complain literally couldn't notice a difference because the nerf only affected actually good players.

>>381406004
Hanzo is a sniper, it is his job to one shot people

>>381405913
He could after his first hook change. Then they added the LoS check and increased the distance he pulled you.

>>381406236
And he should only be one shotting through a headshot, which he already has the most generous hitboxes to do in the game nonetheless. He should not be able to one-shot nearly everyone by aiming at their feet.

>>381401356

>the buttblasted state of roadhog mains

Based Blizz

>>381406004
No one thinks that, Blizzard even went on record and said it's now how they intended people to use it. They still haven't done anything about it though because Hanzo is a trash design from the get go. A character that either one shots you at various ranges or nothing.

People complaining about Roadhog just shows how a vast majority of the playerbase is trash.

It's not surprising because of how normie centric it is, but it's the same logic as people complaining about Slark in Dota.

MAD

CUZ

BAD.

>>381406432
My point is that people are focusing too much on things which could be considered slightly OP (like Roadhog's hook) over things which are just outright broken (like Hanzo's scatterarrow and general moveset).

>>381401356
>waaah now i have to play like a part of a team! fuck this team-based game!

roadhog is dogshit now, its fucking ridiculous when you have dvas running around with whats effectively 100% DM uptime denying everything you do

>>381402213
why are mercy mains always the salty faggot about roadhog

Hanzo is the new Roadhog
Scatter Arrow is the new Hook

Nice Blizzard, classic rollercoaster balance

Getting one shot as any 200 hp class cause some guy pressed shift wasn't fun

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>People are actually complaining that a tank can't 1-shot most of the enemy team at range without a care in the word.
Overwatch players are actually this retarded.

>>381406769
Hook goes through DM, use it.

But this was my biggest issue with Roadhog's nerf, his nerfed burst damage basically removed him as one of D.Va's only counters because of how fucking retarded Defense Matrix is. Now you basically need Zarya on your team at all times if that pile of shit is present on the enemy team.

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>>381406809
Mercy Mains are salty faggots to everyone. The list is usually:

Mercy
Roadhod
Other Supports
Everyone else

Mercy players are the most entitled cunts in the entire game.

>>381406936
>a tank
>without a care in the word
Its like you have never played the character

>>381407032
>HE'S ACTUALLY REALLY HARD GUYS
t. salty Roadhog mains.

>>381406809
Cause he does the thing most dps struggle to do and that is kill the mercy, he can one shot her and if she tries to fly away hook her

>>381406380
Blizzard lets him keep it cause he is already garbage in everything else and imo is the only luck based character in the game

>>381406936
Roadhog isn't a tank. He's more like a target.

>>381406547
tfw slark spammer since the sniper/troll patch and somehow gay fish boy gained popularity and got nerfed
thanks for listening to reddit icefrog

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>>381407107
>hard
>hes actually squishy
>gets beat up by every meta character when his hook is down

>>381407421
>misplay
>get punished
>WOOOOOOOOOOOWWW NOTHING I COULD DO

>>381406936
>Tank
Roadhog is not a tank, he cannot protect his team in any way.

His weapon does not keep enemies away at a distance reliably, his hook is used to combo enemies and his healing is self healing. No teamwide protection from anything.

Is there a hero in this game that doesn't have an annoying as fuck "fanbase" or whatever you want to call it? I guess tracer mains because she's never been touched.

>>381406936
Widow can unironically do this too.

Why doesn't she get nerfed?

By the way I hope you guys enjoy there being literally nothing to control Genjis and Tracers now.

>>381406947
im not talking about hooking dva i mean hooking fucking anyone on dvas team and she just taps dm and negates everything

shes a bullshit fucking character in any decent player's hands who knows how to support their team and isn't running around like a bruiser retard 24/7

>>381407516
Since Blizzard put him in the tank category, he is a tank. Unless you purchase Blizzard from Activision, there is nothing you can do about this.

Literally uninstalled the game 10 mins ago, not because of this, but its pure cancer and and so are the people who play it.

>>381407516
>Roadhog could not protect his team

Roadhog was probably the best anti-flanker character in the game, something that McCree was supposed to excel in. Hooking and killing flankers like Tracer and Gengu who are trying to kill your Healers is protecting your team.

>>381407513
>hook is guaranteed and can't be dodged
Thats a new one

>>381407516
To be honest Symettra is more defense than support and Reaper is a much better defense hero than offense.

>people think its okay to nerf a character to the point of being unusable.

The fat faggot cant even defend himself.
His damage is so abysmally low that even supports can eat him alive. At least when you play every other character in the game you can fight back when caught alone, or escape.
As roadhog, fuck you. Even if you land every shot, you will still be out damaged by everything.
he needed a nerf, not a brutal buttfucking.
God fucking forbid they lower his damage by a few points. no they had to make his hook slow as fuck, and then knock a third of his damage off, then pretend that the faster shooting speed makes up for it despite the fact that spread and falloff means you are literally always doing chip damage.
Roadhogs contribute nothing to the game anymore. His job is to sit there and shoot at shields. Because if he hooks someone its only going to get himself killed.

>>381407601
>Why doesn't she get nerfed?

She did

>>381407601
>Widow can sit around doing whatever with barely any risk and 1-shot whoever, then go build ult for whatever damage she took randomly sitting out in the open to pick off whoever, then 1-shot anyone who comes to try and counter her regardless of skill level because she can click in the general direction of people to kill them
Roadhog mains, everyone.

still laughing my ass off at the idea of blizzard running any competitive game ever.

I don't mind the changes to Roadhog. At least you don't live by the hook, die by the hook anymore.

>>381407521
Tracer, Zen, Zarya

>>381407943
Look man, I get it, you can't aim for shit and you can't figure out this thing called mitigation by way of cover.
That doesn't mean he's bad, I'm sorry, but you'll just have to get good now.

>playing fucking overwatch in the first place

And if my opinion matters at all, they should've just made the hook slower so its harder to land and you have to direct you shots based on the enemy movement instead.

>>381401356
Former Roadhog main here. It's fucking hilarious watching Roadhog crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let him land those hooks.

>you can still one shot 200hp heroes if you aim it right
whats the problem?

>>381408032
They should really revert the cool down nerf back to 6s though.

>>381407726
Blizzard can call it that, but the better players/ranks understand the roles are deeper than what category heroes are in.

Stay bronze shitlord

>>381407943
The only thing he can still do is rng 180 1 shot tracers

>>381408091
The problem is Roadhog mains are terrible players in a game full of already terrible players.

>Blizard being shit at balance
I don't even fucking play Overwatch but anyone who's surprised at whatever happened here is a newfag

>>381401506

>a proper tank

Roadhog was never a "tank" as he provided exactly zero damage mitigation for the rest of his team. He was a DPS who made up for his lack of mobility with a higher health pool. His heal is a 3-second self stun.

People bitched because he could "one shot them" (if he landed a 3x nerfed hook.) Yet I don't hear people bitching anywhere near as much about widow or hanzo who can do just as much damage from across the map.

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>all these butthurt delusional roadshit fanboy faggots anally annihilated because they no longer can brainlessly land a pitifully easy skillshot and then left click to get a kill with no counterplay

>>381407818
>Best anti flanker

DVAs defence matrix and mobility shits on roadhog in terms of protecting your healers.

>>381401356
This literally doesn't change anything in higher elos. Smart teams focus hogs hooks anyway. And 5 shots has made shutting down dva even easier.

>>381401356
Seemed like it's a flawed kit from the start where you you only have a monster or a burden from it. I doubt the Paladongs or Blunderborn hook guy are as slanted.

>>381408336

>This literally doesn't change anything in higher elos.

You're right. Dva, Winston, and Reinhardt are played more and most of the roadhog mains (i'm looking at you, harbleu) switched to zarya a long time ago because of the added utility (shields, grab.)

>>381401506

>every time someone defends hog someone else calls them a Roadhog main

I reached Masters with Pharah and McCree, I don't even think I'm that good at the game. Roadhog nerfs were caused by fucking scrubs.

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>>381408005
Do you understand the failure in logic by saying that someone who doesn't play Roadhog understands his strengths and weaknesses better than someone who does?

A good Widow player is infinitely more terrifying than a good Hog player.

Hog's problem is that there's plenty of things that block the hook in the game now, he's a huge target with no mobility, his ult is rarely game changing (can actually be a detriment because he can't heal or throw a hook while it's active), if he misses the hook there's plenty of heroes who shit all over him.

I don't even think Hog is really that much worse off after these changes, but you seem like a salty as fuck DPS player.

>>381408015
Starcraft, and its still one one the best to this day.
Even Warcraft 3's was pretty good.

It was pretty much fucking Casual ass faggot Dota that ruined everything for everyone.

>>381408085
>LOL STREET PIGS CANT AIM

why is that always the go to from you faggots?

You niggas clearly cant dodge a fucking hook and do not know how to bait one.

I know you fags have a vendetta, but are you actually going to play hog in his current state? Are you gonna bother hopping off genji and hanzo to give the nu-hog a go? Do you actually think he is viable in any set up?
If not than his balance is clearly fucked beyond repair. Its not about muh dank skills.

I guess he will see plenty of use by people who want to throw.

>>381408290
>Yet I don't hear people bitching anywhere near as much about widow or hanzo who can do just as much damage from across the map.

The difference is you needed to fuckin aim as those two

>>381408409
dva winston is so good atm. but I do run a hog if they have a dva, basically a 5v6

I'm honestly more upset about the genji/dva skins being added to old lootboxes.
I had to suffer through 10 games of that shitty moba for that dva skin.

>>381408594

>you don't need to aim with his hook

Are you... retarded?

>>381408540
>A good Widow
There is no such thing as this. For anyone who plays her regularly, they are either going off or they aren't. That's how a ranked system works, you get matched with people that are just as "good" as you.

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>>381408540
>He thinks overwatch DPS players would ever defend Widow

>>381408296
There's already no counterplay to good Tracer and Genji players.

These heroes are ludicrously broken, no one can keep up with them.

>>381408687
What sort of retard logic is this.

>>381401356
You do know you can still kill people with the hook, right? You just need to graze them first. I think the combo still does about 170 damage in total.

Of course, you're just going to ignore this and continue to shitpost.

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I wish I still liked this game.

>>381408669
Hanzo/Widow require headshots. Being bodyshot by them won't kill you. Hit anywhere by the hook's already large hitbox and its gg.

>>381409034
>being bodyshot wont kill.
Not instantly but two tapping players or finishing off damaged heroes is possible and highly viable.
Its not the Widows fault her team cant take out a low hp enemy.

guy who enjoys here.

I enjoy never losing 1v1 vs hogs anymore.

It's like Hog has to be near some teamates for his hook to guarantee a kill now.

>>381408148
You're mistaken, Jeff Kaplan has more hours on this game than anyone ITT, he knows every role and all balance to the heart, the game is perfectly balanced and there's nothing wrong with it.

>>381409165
enjoys Reaper*

>>381408943
Widow mains at every elo get called "a good widow" when they are getting kills and "a bad widow" when they aren't. Go try playing her for 10 games. Hopefully you aren't so shit you actually get kills in one of those, and people will suck your dick. Every other game you will get flamed.

>>381407726
Jeff has literally said that their categories are flawed

>>381409034
>hanzo has to get a headshot
press E you dense little shit

>>381409353
Still gotta aim at the ground ya dingus

>>381409282
Im a widow main kid. Im really good. I play her on all maps all modes and over 50% winrate with her.
You sound like the little faggot that says in the /owg/ general you have to be the best widow in the world or dont play her. Ironically the guy he named dropped i have a better average scope accuracy.

>>381401593
No you havent bitch

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>Shitty hog players mad as fuck

Utility of hook remains the same.

Right click => Shift => Left click => Melee still kills every 250 hp and under character.

Shift => Left click => Melee almost always kills every 200hp character if you aren't a useless pile of shit.

Basically we gained the ability to melt shields faster, gained the ability to get those sweet mid range kills easier, and gained survivability.

The only thing we gave up was the ability of scrubs to faceroll meatshot their way to easy picks. Anyone bitching is terrible at videogames.

>>381409515
>Im a widow main kid. Im really good. I play her on all maps all modes and over 50% winrate with her.
Wow, literally me.
You're a widow main and you are telling me you haven't been flamed one game and carried the next?

>>381409515
So what, I have over 50% winrate with widow and I'm shit. Also, scope accuracy don't even matter. What matters the most is picking key targets at specific times and there's no stat for that.

I'd rather have a widow with 10% acc that kills their mercy a lot of times than a widow with 80% that can't confirm kills and only feed ult to their supports.

>>381409856
Holy shit you are actually retarded.

>>381409720
You only kill 200hp characters if they don't get healed, shielded, pushed, etc.

>hook
>fire
>fire again because they increased his fire rate
>kills them

It's not hard

>>381409793
I dont know i mute every game. The most annoying thing is how this game handles stats and carding.
No one can see clearly that you are carrying them and widows often miss out on cards unless you are doing something like 60%+ of the match on fire, even then you can miss out.
So many dumb little shits are oblivious to who is carrying them because they dont look at the killfeed.

>>381410114
Post stats and sr.

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>Nerfing the most based character on the roster
>Hes now the lowest of all low tier
>Absolutely fucking useless to have on any comp

All I enjoyed doing in overwatch was hooking Pharah mains

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Guise before you hook right click. You can still instagib a person on the enemy team. If you are too far away for the right click to do damage you are still creating a favorable position for your team. While I agree that this is a huge nerf to his original gameplay he is, imo a good hero to fight on the point now. Idk tho im just some diamond shitter.

>Roadhog mains so salty they are crying about Widow/Hazno who are fucking snipers meant to one shot people
Just play Winston if you have a problem with them, like 90% of their player base is not good with them at all and the other percent that are good only play them a little cause they get shit on pretty easily

>>381410114
Hell you could even not be in the kill feed but be carrying. There are so many things you could be doing to win games that aren't killing or tacked by stats.

>>381410274

This goes to show you're a shit player, anon.

>>381410285
>just land two projectiles instead of one

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>meanwhile

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>>381407601
Do you remember winston? i think you forgot about winston

>>381410345
You sound like a faggot whos been HOOKED

>>381410274
Remember, unless you play attack characters, you arent allowed to have fun.
Sit there like the bitch 'tank' and protect your genjis.

Blizzard said so.

>>381410469
Despite what you may think, Winston does not counter Genji, Tracer or Widow.

It's so easy for them to get away from him after he pounces.

>>381410427
You gain much more in return tho. The only people who are really mad about this are hog 1tricks that only get a kill when they hook/ult.

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>>381401506
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>>381410324
You Bronze and Silver players are part of the problem in the fanbase for this game. I hope the idiots at Blizzard come to their senses and undo the stupidity they have done to this character. Here's an idea, pay attention to the game, watch for hooks, be mindful of your surroundings and aim for the head. No, instead we get nerfed hero who is rarely seen in Diamond or above because you insufferable cancer cells can't deal.

>>381409971

>hook
>fire
>tracer recalls
>ana sleeps
>mccree flashbangs
>etc.

>>381402937
>When Genji got nerfed
Whed did that even happen?
Every patch he gets some tiny buff or a little change that helps him.
The only times he was negatively affected was when they fixed bugs with the dash and he still got buffs out of those patches.

>>381410598
>get 2 (yous)
>both of my posts are saying how Roadhog wasn't broken
>your post supports this
>YOU'RE BAD

Did you even read the posts you quoted?

>>381410598
Holy fucking shit HE MAD boys
LMAO
Git rekt skrublord

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>Playing Roadhog

>>381410549
I'm mad because he is now shit in 1v1. I easily had a 95% win rate before this patch and now its maybe 70% with this patch. It took at least 30 minutes more to get all of my arcade boxes.

>>381410598
wut, the last time I've played every team had a roadhog+ana

>>381410619
A while a go he had a nerf that made his ult 8 seconds to 6 seconds.

>>381409720
What kind of shitter sr are you playing at where you can get away with a combo like this?

Hog is a fat, immobile tank, without his instant pick potential he's going to get slept, melted or his target is going to use a mobility or recieve healing before he can get the kill.

There was no need for this nerf when dive is running rampant.

>>381410847
And he got an extra swing out of that.

>>381410598
People don't want to adapt to a game, they want it to change around them, there's always going to be something else holding them back.

>>381410847
They also nerfed his air mobility and his combo. all of those together still weren't as bad as what happened to hog in this patch.

Blizzard is making the mistake of listening to the retards in gold

>Main Lucio
>They nerf the one fucker who always 1 shots you
Now there is nothing to stop me from going fast.

>>381410847
I never understood this nerf which is why I didn't care, somehow 2 seconds makes it less powerful

>>381410912
Cause it was a bug where some players got the extra swing while others didn't also the sword had horrible hit registration, Genji is ALWAYS buggy as fuck even during his prime

>>381410773
How is he shit in 1v1 now? He still has a stun, one of the largest healthpools, and his damage is about the same. They just took his 1shot ability. In 1v1 when hog is pickable usually the opponent picks hog aswell so its it can't be that you depended on the 1shot.

>>381410598
>watch for hooks
>Oop, here comes a hook! I'd better move out of the way!
That's not how it works, pig sty.

And you're playing the no-risk high-reward instakill health-muncher in Casualwatch competitive, so I don't think you get to call anyone else cancer.

>>381409720
>melt shields faster
Except that's not true. Roadhog's DPS is down to 195 from 225, does 750 damage per magazine instead of 900, takes about the same amount of time to empty a magazine, and the same amount of time to reload.

>>381411113
>those Lucio players who just wall ride around the map on speed being completely useless

Wall-riding is a wasted ability on him, he should always be with his team to heal or speed boost them.

>>381411113

>lucio is still the #1 played hero
>even after 'amp it up' was nerfed
>even after his radius was nerfed to shit

>>381401356
why is hanzo allowed to still 1 shot people by aiming at their feet?
today i hooked a hanzo, shot him in the head and then I DIED from a scatter. new roadhog now is you land a hook you die.

>>381411118
I forgot the exact number but he had 1 less swing at 6 seconds. which is fine because as a soldier/mccree/tracer player fuck all gengus

>>381410545
He's still a threat to Genji but yeah he has to escape. If the area is condensed Window is fucked, open yeah she just bails.


Tracer, yeah. Winston always didnt do much but spook the dumb bitch off so she can just pick him off. She still beats him 1v1 because range.

>>381411129
Just how slow are you reflexes?

They should at least revert the Hook nerfs now.

>>381411118
Yes, that's the point. The extra swing wasn't intentional, but they made it so not to upset weebs.
Genji's the only one who gets this treatment and he was never properly nerfed.
He's still the only one who keeps his ult up after being shutdown.
He's still the only one with cooldown reset.
Deflect still has broken hitbox.

>>381411223
He's a DPS now, and the fastest hero in the game, of course people are going to play him.

>>381401356
>playing "competetive" multiplayer games
I bet you nignogs even have (((gaming seats)))

>>381411191
Gotta go fast and dive deep to pick up those free Widows and Anas my man.

>>381411223
I'm pretty sure there is more Mercy players than Lucio players but the nerfs didn't really hurt him considering what he got in return.

>>381410598
>roadhogs mains in charge of not being bootyblasted

>>381411451

The thing is, his DPS wasn't all that bad before if you could aim. I don't know what Blizzard is doing in regards to their 'balancing.'

>>381411127
>He still has a stun
The brings them right into your face
>one of the largest healthpools
And the largest hitbox with no escapes which which offsets is health
>his damage is about the same
For shields sure, for people who can move around, dodge, use escapes not so much
>In 1v1 when hog is pickable usually the opponent picks hog aswell
I still win those cases, but they are a lot fewer now.

People were crying about genji alot.

Roadhog is still fun to play though with his machine gun,but what made him worth the free ult charge for the enemy team was the 1shot picks.

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>>381411520

>I'm pretty sure there is more Mercy players than Lucio players

That might be true, but I'm referring to the higher elos. Nobody really cares what bronze players (not suggesting you are one) play.

>>381411341
>Winston jump s you.
>headshot for 300 since gorilla head is huge.
>Winston lands and drops Barrier
>hook away towards your healer.
>200 hP Winston dies the moment he leaves shield
Thankfully as Winston main most Widows are shit and almost always have used their hook solo it's on cd

>>381411520
>Gotta go fast and dive deep to pick up those free Widows and Anas my man.

Yes, annoying those heroes while your team is dying and you're barely getting any ult charge sure is useful.

Face it, he's most effective with his team and doing anything else is just under-utilising him.

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>>381406667
Roadhog is supposed to be a ONE MAN Apocalypse.

>>381411425
He keeps his ult cause of the long ass animation when pulling sword out and they don't know how to fix deflect hitbox
There are times where it seems like deflect does nothing and times where it should have not worked

>>381411357
You can bait the hook but you can't dodge it. If you aren't looking directly at his fat ass because you're dealing with some of his team instead, not even that is an option.
>he caught you by surprise he deserved to instakill your full-health self
He's a tank, not the goddamn Spy.

>>381409929
Yes, and teamplay should counter the efforts of any one hero alone. That's how the game works for everybody else. Roadhog was the only real exception, and to a lesser extent 76.

All of the things you mentioned with the exception of healing could fuck up a hook combo pre-patch anyway.

>>381410860
>There was no need for this nerf
Your platinum is showing.

Did you even play the past seasons where the entire game literally revolved around roadhog because he was such an overpowered piece of shit that got free instakills? He's the reason 3tank even became a thing, which turned every goddamned high level competitive game into a same comp v. same comp support the roadhog player wankfest. This hero very nearly singlehandedly ruined the high level competitive game.

And you're right, you can't get away with a combo like this at any reasonable SR without somebody fucking up. But that's the entire point of the character, is to punish fuckups, poor positioning, and flankers. He can still perform his role very well.

He just can't dick an entire team all on his own anymore, so you're going to need to actually learn what that role is.

Nobody is arguing that Hog isn't objectively worse now. It's just a good thing because he can perform his role better.

>>381411150
You're theorycrafting. In actual gameplay in most situations, you don't fire off all 4 shots into a shield unless the fight is already won because you may need one for a hook combo.

Now there are more situations where you would feel comfortable dumping an alt fire into a shield without the need to reload first.

At worst I'd say it amounts to a net wash.

>>381411425
and he has the most mobility options out of everyone of the cast, and he has 200HP

I bet, Genji would not be the op character he is now if his HP was at 150 like Tracer, which it should have been from the start

Roadhog is now a better barrier-cracker with his constant M2 spam, especially after Blizzard nerfed Bastion's passive damage reduction since retards couldn't deal with it.

>>381411739
here's an idea, just remove it from the fucking game

>>381411850

>He's a tank

Ah, yes, because he offers so much damage mitigation for your team. Oh, wait...

>>381408594
>hanzo
>need to aim

his left clic has a hitbox bigger than the target itself
his first ability allow him to shoot a multi ricochet taht will hit anything in a 20 meter radius
his second ability is to allow the team to aim for you

yes

>>381410545
Winston's jump has a much shorter cooldown than Widow's grappling hook. It's pretty easy to chase her down.
As for the other two, yes you'll most likely just scare them off or pounce on them if you find them with low health.

>>381411923

>Roadhog is now a better barrier-cracker

Actually, he's worse. Even accounting for 5 shots to 4, he does less damage per 'clip' (is that even the correct term?) And his reload speed was not decreased.

>>381411858
Roadhog was meta because of Ana, the only way to get picks against a team with pre-nerf Ana, was to hook them, he did a specific job and he did it well.

Now he charges enemy ults and gets ruined by dive.

There's no point calling out an sr on the internet, you have no idea what I am.

>>381411938
No, it's actually a good ability that certain heroes can ignore when attacking him plus it's a defensive ability that has to be provoked sorta like Zarya bubble

>>381411681
Getting an Ana pick can open them up for an easy wipe and you should really let your Mercy charge her ult first as its a bigger priority than sound barrier. Speed boosting your teammates in is really useful however that is something that you ought to be coordinating in voice, making sure you have the ults and what not.
Fucking off and harassing their backlines as Lucio is fine, just as long as you aren't getting killed. If you get killed you can easily cost your team a fight.

>>381412142
yeah its stupidly good, to the point where the damn thing is broken and the hit box is to big so shit that is 2 feet away from him gets deflected

>>381411739
>He keeps his ult cause of the long ass animation when pulling sword out
Still, literally the only one.
>Genji sucks ass and approaches with obvious ult
>RYUJI NO BLEUGH...
>Your Zen/Lucio or both instinctively use their defensive ults
>20 seconds later Genji's back with a second chance to ult and you don't have a response

>>381412096
I don't have the hard numbers, but after playing a couple of rounds the Rein shield goes down much faster than I usually anticipate. Maybe the faster spam makes Reins more cautious and keep the shield up longer for everyone to shoot at, I dunno.

Bastion's still garbage tho.

>>381412383

>I don't have the hard numbers

We had the numbers as soon as the patch went to the test servers. He does less damage.

>b-but muh anecdotal

facepalm.gif

>>381412259
I seriously hope you dont do this. Noticed sn increase in lucynegros thinking they are genji and throwing matches to harass snipers.
Lucynegro is a support thats his job.

https://discord dot gg/SyjUkW

>>381410545
t. gold shitter.
I'm actually surprised how fucking bad people can be

recipe for any blizzard game, in case there are still newfags that aren't aware:

-each patch must have a king that shits on everyone else
-each character that can punish retards like stealth chars must be nerfed and eventually moved out of the game
-everything must become always easier, at the cost of alienating whoever always know how to play

>>381408769
Pick Winston against Genji, wreck his shit whenever he uses his dash bullshit. Can't get away, can't parry. His only option is to try for high-ground if you used your jump-pack to get in on him or to kill someone and dash away.

>>381412474
Does less damage but increases the rate of fire, thus the damage-per-second stays the same.

>>381408769
>these heroes are ludicrously broken
how's bronze?

>>381412689
>Genji, Tracer and Widow have a high skill ceiling
>if they're good they can easily deal with a Winston, whose outplay potential is far narrower
>FUCKING GOLD SHITTER

Seeing the irony yet anon?

>>381412965
>the heroes with the highest skill ceiling being played well in that bracket

DOUBLE DOSE OF IRONY.

>>381412513
He is a support but with a really good gun and an easy environmental kill. Unless they've got a really good sniper or pharmercy there is little reason to not try to climb the windmill on Ilios and see if you can get a boop on a Rein,Zarya or Soldier.
It really depends on your comp and theirs as far as what you can get away with but his survivability is the best of any support and you can play ring around the rosey with a Hog or Rein on the points of City Center,Hanamura1 or Garden while amping healing to contest for long periods of time.

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>>381401356

>basic formula
>hook, shoot, repeat

He's a tank, not a DPS.

That being said he does more now for the team than he ever did.

Now with his speed enhanced, his RMB is actually useful for popping off junk intoshields and barriers.

>tfw melting a reins shield, realoding, and watching the enemy team scatter

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>the nerfs were caused by bronze and silver shitters whining that they aren't completely immune against roadhog sneezing on them
>but it's the roadhog mains who need to git gud
at last I truly see

After playing with the new reaper I want my old reaper back. The orbs were a lot better because they burst heal and they dropped from people you didn't kill meaning you could nab a few falling back towards your team. His new health drain is nice but is way worse because most often you don't want to be fighting at the health levels you need it most at.

>>381412137
>Roadhog was meta because of Ana, the only way to get picks against a team with pre-nerf Ana
>chicken, egg

Roadhog and Ana together invalidated DPS oriented setups, yes, and Ana was OP and needed to be brought down. But 3 support 3 tank was still a thing at the pro level, leaving Hog as the only real DPS. The only reason that setup functioned was because Roadhog was so ungodly broken, and could capitalize on any mistake in a manner where no counter play was possible.

While it feels worse to be a hog player now, his prior state was not conducive to good teamplay. It may seem counter intuitive, but the fact that he has less agency over his killing power is actually good for the game.

>Now he charges enemy ults and gets ruined by dive.
He's always charged enemy ults. The only reason it matters now is because DPS ults actually get a chance to go out instead of him shutting them down with zero effort.

And I would debate that Dive is generally very strong right now, having very little to do with Roadhog, and a lot to do with everything else. I also think the community hasn't really adjusted to the shift yet enough to definitively state that he won't have a place in any counter-dive strat.


btw, I only called out your SR in response to your comment
>What kind of shitter sr are you playing at where you can get away with a combo like this

These combos can and will happen at all skill levels. Just less the higher you go because people fuck up less.

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>>381413083
>He's a tank, not a DPS.
How cute
>Now with his speed enhanced, his RMB is actually useful for popping off junk intoshields and barriers.
They literally didn't buff his damage to shields, you are only now noticing how absurd he was at it because he can't do anything else.

>>381413225
I still say they should just GREATLY reduce his damage fall-off, and maybe add 3-5 damage per pellet, or add in more pellets.

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>most of you can't even get into the 3k bracket
>unironically trying to comment on game balance

>>381413445
t. assblasted roadhog main

>>381413265
> But 3 support 3 tank was still a thing at the pro level, leaving Hog as the only real DPS
One of the korean teams in OGN specialized in no roadhog triple tank by using a zarya instead.

>>381413083
"I'm a one man apocalypse!"

>>381413083
It's like you never realized you could shoot shields before.

>>381401356
>right click hook then shoot
wow you have to press one more button to kill someone how fucking horrible

>>381409515
>Im a widow main kid. Im really good. I play her on all maps all modes and over 50% winrate with her.
i'm a top 500 widow on both PC and PS4
please kill yourself

>>381413667
and now, flanking and other dps heroes can go unchecked, unchallenged killing at will
orcs bearing the white hand of Saruman

>>381413487
Got to 3.8 maining Genji and S76 actually.

The fact that Roadhog can't insta-gib me as Genji anymore is hilarious, but the retarded comments I've seen this thread are even funnier.

I'm eagerly awaiting the 'YOU ONLY GOT SO HIGH BECAUSE GENJI IS OP' comments, even though most of you somehow can't do that yourself.

>>381413124
Pro tournaments aren't the best place to look for "balance" because nearly everyone here never or rarely miss and of course there's no randoms.

Game should ideally be balanced for average to "pretty good" level, but it's a shitfest to balance 20+ heroes in a way that'll please everyone.

>>381413389
New reapers life drain makes him really strong against Winston and Dva since he will flat out heal their damage but thats about it. He is way worse at longer ranges now.

>>381406641
Hanzos scatter is bullshit but the rest is fine

Widow is fucking cancer with no counterplay other than change character or run away

>>381413756
>be me
>never play genji
>think he is op
>decide to play as him to see if he really is
>I stay back and snipe people with his slt fire
>farm Ult %
>run in and use ult, kill half the team, then run away
>repeat until we win

>>381413647

With his slow rate of fire, you were better off instahooking.

>>381413741

>who is winston

>>381402213
Don't talk like that about your betters you inferior pile of steaming twitcher dps shit.
t. Mercy main

>>381408290
Sounds like he's a poorly designed DPS then
They should move him to DPS and nerf his health next too

>>381413912
>>who is winston

>tracer, genji, pharah and soldier can escape him
>reaper and mccree can easily counter him
>soldier and pharah from afar can easily take him out, or take out his bubble
did I miss anyone else?

>>381413874
Widow, Genji and Tracer will never not be bullshit because they're the characters designed to draw new players so they'll stay OP.

>>381414105
inb4 hur dur git gud

>>381408290
>Is so big people shoot him cause hes easier to hit
>Had OHK potential so people tried to take him out of the fight first
There are more ways to tank than hold up a shield

>>381410114
Widow carrying lol
Stop playing any time

>>381413909
This. Genji is simple as fuck to play as long as you understand your kill %s and BnB (RMB+LShift).

>>381413816
Holy shit you are retarded if you honestly believe that high level play is no indication of game balance at all levels. Are there other strategies that work the farther down in ladder you go? Sure, but they all have absolute counterplay by just being better at the game. There are some games where you would be correct like in melee, planetside 2 flying or broodwar. Overwatch is not one of those games. If you just play the god damn high tier meta comp you WILL win more games on average in every elo.

>no more free ult charge

Sad day for people above silver. I guess with his fire speed and ammo increase he can Reinhard better?

>>381413741
>McCree and Winston don't exist

lmao

How was he changed?

>>381414365
This. Tracer is simple as fuck to play as long as you understand blink cooldowns and tracking.

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>>381412763
No, mathematically his DPS dropped by ~18%. It's been calculated to death on the Competitive Overwatch le subreddit. The speed + clip doesn't compensate for the nasty raw damage drop.

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>>381414458
>Genji and Tracer are simple as fuck

Cool anons, let's see those GM profiles!

>>381414458
This. Torbjorn is simple as fuck to play as long as you understand to pick either Soldier, Tracer or Genji instead

>>381414458
Tracer is much more punishing because unlike Genji you have to constantly be weaving in and out of the backline with 50 less HP. Genji just stays above/out of range farming his ult until he gets it.

But no, stay retarded. I don't care if you stay silver.

>>381414256
>>381414402

Roadhog is meant to take damage, then self-heal to build ult and go all apocalypse on the enemy team.

>>381412689
t. platinum player

>>381414558
>>381414582
neo-/v/ in a nuthell everyone

>>381412763
incredibly naive of you

>>381413912
>>who is winston
le jumpy monkey of 0 dmg

Lmao bubbled tracer that just
rewinds later

Lmao scrubby master just use healers as bait stupid, oh wait tracer just used her ability again

Shut up retard

>>381413515
>One of the korean teams in OGN specialized in no roadhog triple tank by using a zarya instead.
I have heard of this. Didn't watch it though and didn't see how far they got. It's kind of tangential to the thrust of the argument though.

The 2tank/hog/76/ana/lucio combo was baseline meta. Another successful variation was 2tank/zarya/76/ana/lucio. A third was 2tank/hog/ana/lucio/zen.

You're right that the picks would tend to show that Ana and Lucio were the OP the lynchpins of any team. I don't think anybody can debate you there.

However, the fact that healing was OP is not mutually exclusive with Roadhog's OPness.

For instance, notice that you cannot have a successful 3tank/3support comp if you drop Roadhog. You couldn't, for instance, go 2tank/[dva/winston]/ana/lucio/zen. Why? Because counterplay was stronger than offensive play.

The ONLY hero that could reliably get through this was Roadhog because the old hook combo HAS NO REAL COUNTERPLAY. Last season's meta served to highlight the fundamental flaw of the character. Remove healing from the equation, and hog doesn't lose that flaw, even if its relative value is lessened.

Roadhog may not have been the ONLY problem, but he was A problem, and the nerf was 100% deserved.

Hog used to counter dva hard but not anymore

He's also less reliable for killing Winston and the overall damage nerf negates his prominence as a shield buster

Essentially hog lost his niche and gained nothing

>>381415242
you're a retard

When will they nerf Pharmercy.

It's an instant loss if you don't have any good hitbox dps on your side. Doesn't help that McCree and 76 players are bitches that will cry all round about not being able to do their job because they don't get healed enough/don't get damage boosted/don't get their dick sucked everytime they hit their target.

>tfw the other teams 76 is bitching and crying that Symm needs a nerf because he cant kill me and I always chase him down

Its always surreal when bad players call for nerfs and cry. He didn't land a single rocket the whole game.

>>381415242
He did gain an extra shot and some higher ""DPS""
He's essentially better in situations where the hook is off-cooldown, but worse when it's up.

I'd rather him be like this than "every 8 seconds I become the most dangerous hero in the game"

>>381415463
It sure shows how fucking retarded the playerbase is when fucking Pharah/Mercy is somehow considered OP now

>Go Widow
>1 shot Pharah or Mercy
>switch back
so hard

>>381415421
Eat shit nigger faggot

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>Blizzard is so lazy they can't shrink the hook snag size so it isn't as big as Soldier 76

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>>381415682
stay mad

>>381415541
Good luck killing Lucio now

One of the highest priority targets and now he's near incapable of killing him

he doesnt provide enough damage/threat to make up for his ult feed now.
literally garbage hero. you cant even do flick one shot kills on close targets anymore.

>>381415565
>have a Widow and Hanzo on your team
>neither of them can hit Pharah or just don't even try

>>381415772
Haven't played ow in months but this nerf presents a stunning argument to not bother reinstalling

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The Roadhog nerf was overzealous, he was never OP and you need to get good

Unless someone with a higher SR than me disagrees, all opposing opinions are just angry Silver players

>>381411739
>be bastion
>angry ninja noises
>one shot him with ult
>he keeps his ult because muh drw animation
>comes back next attack, deletes the team and caps the point

>be bastion/insert almost any other character/
>turn into tank
>get killed in animation
>lose ult
>people tell me this is perfectly fine

>>381415934
>find some random GM player and go to their career profile saying it's you

Riveting tale chap.

>>381412994
The irony in here is how fucking bad you are in this fucking casualfest game

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>>381414519
Perhaps that is the crux of the problem.
The nerf was simply severe as fuck.
Maybe i am in the bargaining stage, but they can probably make everyone happy if they just boost hogs damage 10-15% from where he is now. Maybe nix the extra shot in his clip.

I think people would be happy with weaker but faster shots if the shots at least felt meaty and meaningful.
Getting hooked isnt a death sentence anymore, and hogs can still run n' gun like they used.

As it is, the current nerf is just too draconian. he feels like a d.va that has to reload.

Much like pudge, roadhog's core design relied on being able to pick off/pull out of position less-tanky heroes. Although he still can help with positioning (I would argue D.Va (ult) and Orisa are better), being unable to pick off heroes whilst also not providing any benefit for the team as a "core" position (who are we kidding he's not a tank, he fits the "specialist" or "bruiser" category depending on your vernacular) like a shield, armor, etc makes him essentially useless. Widow doesn't require a team to get kills on the exact same targets roadhog used to be useful for.


Now to be fair this game is slow and shitty, and I warm up to play with my normie friends by playing a couple rounds of quake and dominate. But all in all, the endless nerfs to hog would be an annoyance if this was my main objective-based FPS.


tldr; hog nerfs are unjustified, go against his core design, and render his very niche role useless

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>>381415934
it was justified loal git gud

>>381407421
>can facetank a hanzo dragon
>squishy
not fooling anyone, anon
I wish this would remove such a horseshit character from the game, but I imagine he will be just as popular after people adjust

It's very simple
Hooking people out of position stronk
Instakill a shit
But underpowered Hog also a shit
Buff damage or range of weapon a little and he's good to go

>>381416185
>tldr; hog nerfs are unjustified
wrong
>go against his core design
His "core design" would be at his base role, which is a tank; a job advertised to soak damage for your team while disrupting the enemy team. He can take alot of punishment with a high healthpool, has a powerful self heal and his hook is a potentially deadly crowd control tool that can set up ganks and ruin enemy positioning.
>and render his very niche role useless
if you mean lol 1shotting everyone on the roster every 8 seconds, that's not a niche

get rekt nigger

The following characters can burst kill a 200hp hero easier than hog while having a small hitbox and still useful when their abilities are on cd:

Genji
McCree
Reaper
Soldier
Tracer
Hanzo
Junkrat
Mei
Zenyatta

BUT MUH HOOK

>>381401356
No other hook character in any other game gets free kills from their hook. Pudge might get some if he's ahead or hits level 6 first but mostly it's about pulling people out of position not getting a free kill for landing a hitscan ability. It's not even a fucking projectile you have to lead like it is in most games.

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You know what I hate most about the changes? The fact that clueless idiots keep saying that, "Oh his DPS hasn't changed that much, all you have to do is stick with your team now and play with them!"

Theorycrafting always seems to take place in this batshit crazy vacuum where no outside sources of damage or healing enters the mix. No one ever considers outside heals getting to your target or your target getting away because someone put up a shield or blocked quick enough because you didn't gib them. So now, you have a barely mobile, huge target that's a free ult battery at mid to long ranges that now has to stick with his team. He can't block damage like D.Va, Orisa, Reinhardt, or Winston. He doesn't have any shield or armor for health, but instead a 300 HP boost that requires him to be standing perfectly still and hoping no one can catch him in time.

Not to mention, his scrap-gun might as well be shooting nerf darts with right-clicks now. A lone Lucio can easily heal back any damage you do to his team unless you get a perfectly timed critshot with none of the pellets missing, which doesn't even kill anymore unless they have less than 200 health. It's quite sad to see the new Hog in action, since I usually hear people on my team audibly groan whenever someone picks him now because the guy playing Roadhog has no idea just how useless he is. You're better off playing Hanzo drunk, you'll do more damage that way.

>roadhog hook bad even though your team can react to it if they're competent
>hanzo instantly taking 400HP by aiming at your feet from across the map is perfectly fine though

>>381416281
He has no armour, gets railed by headshots and is a huge ult battery because of how easy he is to hit.

He lasts longer than <250 HP heroes, but not by that much.

>>381416362
>DPS
>DPS
>DPS
>DPS
>DPS
>Sniper
>Defense
>Defense
>Support

>DPS heroes doing more damage than tanks is a bad thing

>tfw moonmoon fell out of top 500 since they started to mess with hog

feelsbadman

>>381416453
they just shrank his head hitbox you moron.

>>381416389
I still don't understand how this shit works. Each time I try it, the arrows always go behind them.

>>381416201
Its not about it being justified. Even hog mains can agree that he needed a little nerf.
Its about the fact that they completely destroyed him.
A nerf can be justified and still be a shitty fucking nerf.
>soldier 76 is too good in most situations, so instead of nerfing his damage or his mobility, we have decided that the best option is to cut his health in half. You can use his heal beacon more often though.
That can be argued as justified, but its still a shit tier nerf that makes him unusable.

Do you have any intention of playing roadhog in his current state?

>>381416350
You aren't capable of making an argument but if Roadhog "lol 1 shots" everyone every 8 seconds in a match I assume an average roadhog player would get roughly 112 solo kills a game. No? Oh maybe it's because it's more complex than that

showing off your ability to greentext and harp someone else's opinion while simultaneously attacking someone else's analysis (just the tldr at that) doesn't make you look cool or edgy, it makes you look foolish

>>381416548
>t. salty hognigger
Loving every laugh, loving all the tears. My cup runneth over.

>>381416459
>hog is a tank
when will this meme end?

>>381416362
>Zenyatta
>have to land like 3 or 4 headshots in successions to kill a 200 hp hero
>Discord can't even be applied when you charge your shots
>Somehow it's easier than Left Shift then Mouse 1

The rest is also wrong but man you're retarded.

>>381416540
Give Roadhog his original damage back, keep the firing speed, revert the original hook cooldown, but only give him two shells.

People who now complain about playing Roadhog or getting hooked are now baddies.

>>381416856
>what is holding secondary fire and let it go in the general direction of the enemy

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>>381416841
Gee I dunno? Weird, huh?

>>381416874
>double barrel roadhog with long reload.

I could work with that. He would be shit in actual solo confrontation unless you get those meat shots, and he would still be able to do his classic combo.
No more flankhog that everyone seems to hate, and his old playstyle is intact.
Furthermore, two shots seems to fit the design of the gun much better anyway.

>Revert to original damage
>2 shots in clip
>keep increased fire rate
>keep 8 second cooldown on hook

Roadhog is fixed.

the guy roadhog trying to emulate which is pudge isnt exactly a one shot guy
hook rot and dismember is a good combo but you could still survive that shit

>>381417105
It also wasn't instant, ult takes a few good seconds

The only change that was needed was to change his hook form "Stun" to "Trapped" and he would of bee fine. No dps fiddling or anything.

lmao get fucked hognigs time to learn to play

>>381417097
Reduce his HP by 100 - 200 points and I'd take that change.

>>381416949
You need all 5 orbs to land if you're going fo bodyshots and 3 or 4 to kill by headshot.

Sure it's doable but don't claim it's not easier for Road to kill a 200hp character.

Geez OP, I know the spy was nerfed hard but it wasn't THAT bad.

>>381416984
>people have yet to figure out that blizzard designs the characters for a specialized role then fit them into the 4 classes after the fact

They apparently struggled for a long time to decide where Sombra even fits. eventually they settled on attack because she was mobile.

None of the characters are designed with attack/defense/tank/support in mind.

Roadhog was meant to be the games pudge. he was supposed to be a bruiser. Since bruiser isnt a class, they picked tank because high health=tank.

same with the rest
high mobility + damage = attack
low mobility + damage = defense
Everything else = support

Roadhog is a tank in the loosest way possible.

>>381417313
pig mains don't know that some heroes atually require you to aim

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Overwatch is a casual game, just accept it.

Jeff's reasoning was he's trying to take one-shots out of the game because they "aren't fun". Expect to see Widowmaker and Hanzo take a hit next, then Pharah get nerfed into unusability again because several heroes who made her scared are getting nerfed.

Roadhog isn't that bad if your team isn't half retarded since he still shreds up barriers and hook still kills as long as you'd mid teamfight, but he's really not fun to play anymore at all since what made him fun to play was that you're a slow, lumbering one-man apocalypse who has to be careful but is extremely powerful.

Now he's just a big fat chaingun with a stun.

>>381417384
Well guess what anon, he's still a bruiser

>>381417459
yeah he's still a bruiser. Bruises is the most he can do, because he sure as shit aint killing anyone.

>>381417384
Yeah, just look at McCree's high mobility.

>>381415872
that's your own fault for being fucking garbage at the game or having teammates that are garbage at the game

fucking casual retards are unhappy if every hero in the game that's slightly annoying doesn't just have a hero that literally will beat them 1v1 every time with no effort

>everyone except me is stupid and bad
fucking hogmains lmao

>>381417563
well he's not a pure damage character so that's fine.

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>>381417448
The annoying part about removing one-shots from the game is that it makes every hero with bursty, sequential DPS so much better since they usually don't get touched. S76, Tracer, and Lucio are already super strong as is and they aren't going to be touched for a long, long time.

Kaplan couldn't balance himself on a toilet bowl if he tried.

>The absolute state of Sombra right now
>Roadhog dead in the water
>The latest map is a steaming pile of shit that somehow manages to be worse than Volskaya with half the action
>Latest Reaper "buff" ends up making him more detrimental to play since he can no longer burst heal off of dead bodies and can be brought down quicker now that he can't piggy back off of health pick ups in teamfights
>Lucio's speed boost gets nerfed but they also turn him into an objective god and make his gun amazing in the process, making him even stronger than before
>McCree's ult is still horseshit and there's no reason to pick him over S76
>Torb has been rotting in the shit basket with Bastion for the last year but even Bastion got worthwhile buffs

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>ITT silvers and golds cheer because they got a pubstomp hero nerfed

If you played at a real rank you would eat Genji cum daily.

>>381418061
>ITT self proclaimed master hogmains who are actually golds cry about justified nerfs because they can't deal with the truth

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>>381418028
Companies don't try to balance games anymore now that eSports is a thing.

Rather than trying to make a good game, they make balance changes in order to intentionally kill certain heroes or make certain heroes top tier to change up who gets played constantly. More variety = more stream views for esports = more money from sponsorship deals.

Not only that, but they will intentionally nerf shit that annoys people who suck at the game into the ground (hook, one-shots, stuns, fireballs, etc) so that those people keep playing the game and blowing money on lootcrates and skins and other micro-transaction bullshit.

SFV and League are also great examples of this.

Kaplan has to approve every single balance change he makes with the publishing company to make sure it brings them a profit and they have a huge input on balancing changes.

True competitive gaming is dead, Anon. We live in a time where if people cry hard enough, they'll get what they want. Gone are the days of "scrub mentality" being looked down upon.

>>381418139
>ITT faggots confuse justified with well balanced

just because you have a vendetta doesnt mean the character should be rendered useless. God forbid a minor nerf be used.

>>381418028
The only one touched with that so far has been Hog. I don't really think he'll remove one shots from Snipers sides maybe changing how Scatter works.

Hog was just stupid since he had the pick potential of a sniper just with none of the aim required for it.

>>381418246
From my point of view, it was a minor nerf.

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>>381418139
Yeah anon, he was really really broken and overused by good players! Good thing they nerfed him, I was so tired of seeing him in every single tournament game!!

(this is literally usage statistics from last week, by the way)

>>381418326
okay, do you intend on playing him regularly now?

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>>381418139
Good thing the nerf wasn't even bad, they barely changed him, he's still usable!!!

>>381418237
If you were actually interested about skillful gaming you'd be cheering after this change, because there's nothing les sskillful than an autofire combo after hitting a hitscan hook on slow targets
They just need to buff his clip size a little to make rightclick a proper area control tool and then he's fine and harder to play than before, because it's about nailing those rightclicks instead of the ez combo

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>>381418515
>not understanding you have to make a read on someone's movement to get a hook
>not understanding that difficulty of video games at the highest level comes more from the mental game than the technical one because everyone at that level is already extremely technically proficient

I'm a power ranked smash player, try me, bitch.

>>381418381
>zarya at the bottom of the ocean
What the hell happened?

>>381418381
The only reason Hog doesn't dominate higher tiers like that is cause of voice chat. That is his one weakness. A team that uses it and focuses him down. His only other weakness is excessively retarded people playing him.

>>381418598
And that doesn't apply to right clicks how?
Hook has a much bigger hitbox, too
Face it, you're salty because your ez instakill toy was taken away and don't actually care about a healthy comp game

>has the ability to one shot a tank
>surprised he got nerfed

>>381418476
To be fair ranked players are exactly the sort to overcompensate for perceived nerfs.

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>>381418737
>team coordination completely counters a hero
>something every team should have

>apparently he's broken because of this

>>381418781
he wasn't able to one shot any tanks, dumbass.

>>381418818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3lRahfQRrgU

>>381418381
>Genji above soldier
Woah, is this the power of a dive meta?

>>381418778
>healthy comp game
>half the characters arent even allowed to be played because your team will throw
>adds another character to the list

yeah real healthy comp game you got there.

>>381418778
>overwatch
>healthy comp game

LOL?

>>381418926
not true, Zarya had time to bubble while Hog was walking up to her, or just walk away so that she wasn't close enough for the one shot, that Zarya just made a mistake.

>>381418926
>using easy bot zarya as an example to demonstrate how roadhog was op
literally kill yourself

>>381418994
>that Zarya just made a mistake.

It's a bot

Fuck Roadhog, whens Zarya gonna get a buff?

>>381410617
Tracer and McCree don't survive the hook combo. Ana survives (most of the time) because of her wonky hitbox but that just means that you don't pull full-hp anas (just like you don't pull full-hp Reapers). Roadhog still has a crazy burst damage, he just needs to unleash it more selectively depending on the specific target.

>>381419060
Was she nerfed a while back? I feel like the charges used to depreciate much slower

>>381418446
I played him fairly often before and I see no point in stopping

>>381418381
>top 6 are all dive comp
really activates my almonds.

What is 'dive comp'?

t someone who hasn't payed any attention to this game since s1

>>381419016
>>381418994
>he can't one shot a tank
>shows evidence of one shotting a tank
>NO BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE--
Fuck off.

>>381418926
Roadhog couldn't kill Zarya reliably. In 99% of the cases Zarya would survive the hook combo. Also a Zarya who approaches a hog without her bubble deserves all the shit she gets.

>>381418381
>surprised that a non meta compliant hero isn't used
really electrifies my neutrons

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>>381419186
You fucking dumbass, you fucking retarded dumbass fuck.

I just explicitly explained to you WHY that wouldn't actually work against a real player who can actually react against getting hooked.

And you're going to ignore what I said and call your footage of someone one shotting a bot who does none of these things as "evidence?"

Fuck right off.

>>381419102
I dunno, I just feel like she is SUPER situational.
Like shes a meh tank, her only real use is the few times she manages a good save of someone about to die, but thats not very often.

>>381418381
They should really nerf Winston.

>>381419295
or nerf one of the best Winston counters so he's even more broken

Why not?