Was this really necessary?

I'm fine with it, doesn't ruin the experience

>>381376430
Don't see the problem here

I don't know, but you making this thread every day certainly wasn't.

Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?

How stupid will you look OP when the game comes out and it has both styles of koopas.
Will you apologize for making this shit thread?

>>381376430
koopa troopas have been bipedal for more than a decade now

fuck off already

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>>381376430
They're just making the enemies on-model with their mainstream counterparts. There's nothing wrong with being consistent.

Left looks like shit though

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>>381376779

>>381376779
>>381376891
I'll take the right side please

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>>381376779
>they're going with the 3D again
Bowser's Inside Story had the best models. Although, the new 3D models really look like a step up from Dream Team and Paper Jam. Might be good.

>>381377070
They're not 3D Models. They're confirmed to be sprites.

>>381377070
Man the Estrogen really worked wonders for Toadsworth

>>381376779
the 3D honestly looks like garbo, I'll stick with the sprites

>>381376779
>>381376891
The right side looks better. I also hated how in the original Bowser's overworld sprite looked like Dig Dug didn't finish him off.

>>381376430
thanks doc

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>>381377581
Reminds me how the original game had lots of differences between the international and japanese version, like different sprites, heal blocks, nerfed items/gear and Fawful using Cackletta's battle theme instead of Popple.

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>>381377913

>>381377913
It's slightly better but PiT forward did him justice.

>>381378040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDMXE10zeyQ

>>381376779
It's because enemies like the koopa and Lakitu already had a sprite available from the previous two titles that only needed to be slightly updated instead of creating a new sprite

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Seriously what is the point of this remake? What does it add that would make me want to play with an inferior art style over the original?

>>381376891
left looks clearer

>>381378217
The game came out 14 years ago and there's plenty of kids that have probably never even heard of it

>>381378217
all the new mario games are failing, so they'll sell the old good ones again with marketing behind it

>>381378217
It allows you to pay every Mario & Luigi game on the 3DS (without hacking)
Adds a new mode
Probably functions as a stopgap for the next Mario & Luigi (especially since it more than likely reuses Dream Team/Paper Jam assets)..

>>381378729
*play

>>381376670
no, but it's sterile and i like the taste

>>381376779
I can't believe how garbage the right side is. The sprites are way better and more unique. Good thing I have a hacked 3DS.

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>>381376430
Nope, and neither was this. It's amazing how bad they managed to make this game look. But they know the nintentards will eat it up anyway for "muh nostalgia". What a godawful company.

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>it's an "everyone pretends to be retarded and acts as if they don't know that DT/PJ/SS+ use sprites" episode

>>381379837
>>381377329
>>381377070
>3D
At this point I'm convinced it's just OP pathetically samefagging, nobody can be this retarded for like 10 threads in a row.

>>381380459
Did I say it was 3D? No, I said it was garbage. You can't honestly think the right side looks better. It's like everything was NSMBrosified, and that is fucking disgusting.

As long as they don't fuck up the gameplay, I have 0 problem with it.

>>381380657
Not him, but if you really don't like it, just don't buy it. Play the original while everyone plays the remake.

>>381377070
>toadette
wtf i love paper jam now

I'm sick of the NSMB meme. Especially considering the artstyle first came from a Super Mario 64 remake. You retards just want a boogieman to put the blame on.

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>>381380795
> just don't buy it

>>381376779
>mainstream counterparts

That's the though. The enemies are from the bean bean kingdom. They're specifically not supposed to look like their mainstream Mario game counterparts. It gave them so much more charm.

This updated port is missing the mark.

>>381380193
This image is the weakest bait I've seen. Needs more work desu

>>381380657
Every single one of those posts calls the right side 3D, yes. Get fucked retard.

>>381380925
...That's what I said. Just don't buy it. Need me to say it a third time?

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>>381380657

>It's like everything was NSMBrosified

>every original enemy design is the same
>every environment is the same
>the only major difference is that Mushroom Kingdom based enemies aren't off model

>>381380930
Yeah, and I guess Bowser looks unrecognizable too because that's his Bean Kingdom counterpart, right?
Dumbass.

>>381377023
>>381376831
>>381377581
>Right side is better guys!

>>381377329
>>381378219
>>381379837
>The old sprite art was way better!

There's no middle ground with you guys, huh?

Is everyone in this thread pretending to be retarded?
Those enemies already had sprites from DT and PJ so they used those. That's why the new ones look exactly like in the original instead
Jesus christ you people.

>>381380930
I'll accept this argument for Paper Mario but I don't think it works here

>>381381496
I guess this bait did get a little stale too quick, huh? I blame the summerfags for running it into the ground.
At least it only takes a few hours to find something else to shitpost with.

>>381381489
Two of these comments aren't inflamatory at all, they're just pointing out which version looks more appealing to them

>people literally defending the devs being massively lazily

it has nothing to do with being "on model", they just cannot be fucked to make spites that replicate the old design so they just slapped in some shit they already had on hand.

>>381381070
I will get the game, but I'm not buying it.

>>381381010
Not me, you fucking retarded fucking idiot.

>>381381703
Of course you're not. Why are you bitch about it then if there's no skin off your bones anyway?

>>381381090
No they aren't the same. They are garbage and look nothing like the sprites on the left. Where is the Bullet Bill's sharp teeth?, What about the Hammer Bros not being hunchback with an angrier face, what about the Boos not being more dramatic, and the bob-bombs not having the tint and tiny yellow eyes? Are you fucking stupid you stupid motherfucker?

>>381381776
Because it doesn't look good.

>>381381892
Then don't get it.

>>381381991
>>381381892
>>381381776
>>381381703

I swear at this point the M&L fanbase might as well be as divided as Sonic's.

This remake looks amazing, I can't wait to get it.

>>381382101
>one faggot shitposting
>OMG such a divided fanbase!

>>381382101
SSS is basically a sacred cow since it was the first game. People complaining about change was inevitable.

>>381382297
>It's only one anon b-because no one could possibly see this remake as anything but perfect!
Get some perspective, nin-toddler

>>381381892

>the only major difference is that Mushroom Kingdom based enemies aren't off model

>>381376891
holy shit definitely getting now, right looks so much better

>>381376779
>>381376891
i prefer the right but i still like some things on the left a bit more. not really a big deal though since the game will probably still be fun to play, as they seem to be adding some quality of life changes that will push it higher than the original for me.

>>381382346
At least they shouldn't screw up the soundtrack, right? I mean, graphics and music are different things, and assuming Yoko's still on board, the game should sound fantastic.

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>the point of those enemies were to showcase feral/wild koopas
Once again, nintendo fucks up

>>381382798
The bar for music was pretty low to begin with, given the GBA had shit sound.

>>381382798
a lot of the songs sounded pretty shittiy and eargrading if i'm to be honest, the only good one is the main battle theme and even that one is the weakest battle theme in the series.

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>>381382970
Reminds me that one time the Koopas became feral again for the Galaxy games. Never really understood why they brough the idea back just to drop it.

>>381381489
it's almost like there's more than one person on /v/

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They clearly just did quick sprite enemies for all the enemies they could since this is a cheap remake

>>381383317
I heard people were conflicted about AlphaDream going 3D with the Mario & Luigi games, but never expect this level of divisiveness.

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>>381383014
>>381383136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3KWrUpGe_4

>>381383421
sprite edits*
I think I had a stroke

>>381376779
What is that symbol between Mario and Luigi on the old logo? It looks like a line with a reversed 3 on it.

>>381383474

The funny/stupid thing is that SSS+ is entirely 2D.

>>381376779
>>381376891
>>381380193
>bean enemy
newer looks better
>bullet bill
older looks better, newer one doesn't have a big grin
>goomba
newer looks better
>statue
newer looks better, don't like those thick eyebrows on the old one
>bob-omb
newer looks better, looks like the SMRPG sprite with better shading
>hammer bro
older one is better, newer one is lazy and ripped the skinny hammer bro sprite from PJ when it should've been a heavy one
>koopa
older one is better, the newer one doesn't pronounce the plant element enough
>spear guy
newer looks better, the older one has weird proportions
>boo
older looks better, but the newer one doesn't look bad either
>lakitu
older looks better
>toads
older looks better, way more expressive
>cackletta
older looks better, but the newer one doesn't look bad either so far
>peach
newer looks better
>mario and luigi
newer looks better, although it remains to be seen if their various expressions will be as good or not
>bowser
newer looks WAY better
>background art
newer looks WAY better, that's one thing I didn't like about SSS is the environments looking so flat

>>381376891
I get why they kept Peach's castle in line with recent titles, but if they change the aesthetic of shit in the Bean kingdom, I will be pissed

>>381383601
>newer looks better, don't like those thick eyebrows on the old one

oops that was meant to be about the goomba, not the statue

>>381383476
>hear the beginning of this
>immediately wait for the "we are number one" to kick in

what has silvagunner done to me

>>381383476
Regardless of what you think about the composition, you have to admit that the game's music was limited by the GBA's hardware.

>>381383476
forgot about that one.
popples theme and the main battle theme are the only truly great songs in the soundtrack.
>>381383601
>newer looks better, although it remains to be seen if their various expressions will be as good or not
from what we've seen in the trailer, the newer sprites for mario and luigi have more exaggerated expressions (eyes bulging when panicking etc)

>>381383601
Okay, I actually agree with everything here. But I already saw how M&L look in their new battle stances and I don't know I think I like the old style better, even though they sort of ported that stance over and added unnecessary ones.

>>381376891
>full size during ship takeoff scene

this is the real issue thats fucking up completely.

>>381383305
It's probably another asinine Miyamoto preference.

>"I rike when koopa wakku on hindu reggu!"
>"OK Miyamoto, let me pucker right up!"

>>381380193
The original just has way more charm

>>381384079
What?

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>>381384014
It was also like that in the original and it still bugs me.

>>381384317
It does. I can tell right off the bat.

>>381384325
When Miyamoto wants something, Nintendo always goes with it. It's why we lost out on the new 3DS Paper Mario they were showing off, with partners and everything, and got Sticker Star instead. Miyamoto doesn't like enemies working with Mario because he's an out of touch old coot.

>>381384408
it makes sense for that part since that was the loaded sprite, which then shifted to the downscaled ones for the runway scene

not sure why they're missing that in the 3ds version though.

>>381384546
>Miyamoto doesn't like enemies working with Mario
Source?

>>381384585

The runway sprite is a different sprite. You can tell by the details.

>>381376779
way more personality in the originals, though.

Especially that hammer bro, the boo, and lakitu.

>>381384869
>>381384585

Wait, I thought you were talking about the Koopa Cruiser. Nevermind.

>>381384747
>Tanabe: Aside from wanting us to change the atmosphere a lot, there were two main things that Miyamoto-san said from the start of the project-"It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?" and "As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world.
This was from an Iwata Asks interview. The original page is missing and I don't want to link Kotaku. Search for it if you must.

>>381385115
Where does that quote talk about working with enemies?

I like both.

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>>381385201
>As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world.
This is the reason they ditched partners.

>>381376779
>There's nothing wrong with being consistent.
It's a whole other country though, I EXPECT the enemies to look different. These aren't Mushroom Kingdom Koopa, they're Beanbean Koopa. The same goes for the Bullet Bill and Hammer Bros. It gave them distinction and was a friendly reminder that you were in a whole other kingdom so as a result the enemies take on an varying appearance in comparison to their Mushroom Kingdom counterparts. Way to miss the fucking point, Nintendo.

>Nintendo gets lazy and dumbs down the designs

>ITS FINE ITS NOT NECESSARY TO THE EXPERIENCE!!!

>>381385373
Why would the Hammer Bros that you encounter in Bowser's Castle look any different from other Hammer Bros?

>it's a 3Dautist M&L thread
>48 IPs

>>381385201
I thought he directly said that somewhere, but I guess I'll settle for it being hyperbole.

>>381383513
It's an ampersand. Some people write it that way by hand, bit retarded for a logo though.

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>>381385339
I thought the reason for that was because the Sticker system lead to Tanabe and the devs feeling that partners were redundant (Excuse the size, despite me saving it from here, the original sized version is over 4mb)
Also didn't AlphaDream ignore Miyamoto's suggestions for Dream Team?

>>381385513
No reason, he's retarded.
He probably thinks Bowser looking like shit and off model was an artistic preference too.

>>381385513
Then maybe I'm jumping the gun. Either way I'm sticking to the original game. It sure has hell looks more expressive in terms of how the enemies look.

>>381386320
S-S-SHUT UP
BOWSER LOOKS LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE WENT TO THE BEANBEAN KINGDOM FIRST SOMETIME BEFORE AND IT ALTERED HIS APPEARANCE WHICH IS WHY LUIGI WAS SCARED
D-DEEPEST LORE

>>381376779
>>381376891
I'm glad I can stick with the original game and acknowledge the differences in regional baddies, along with the unique style the original game had, too.

>>381386320
Are there people who actually think that when the JP version went out of its way to touch up Bowser's sprite?

>>381376779
I didn't know about this shit. I'll keep playing the original.

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Is your autism necessary?

>>381386314
Yeah, and apparently things got pretty ugly with them. Would't be surprised if they choose to go with the standart mario cast for Paper Jam mostly to make them shut up (then again, this is mostly a headcanon of mine so take it with a grain of salt).

>>381386320
>implying Bowser has anything do with this
How fucking dense are you? Who gives a shit about Bowser? I sure a fuck don't because he's the least of my concerns. My concern is how much they've homogenized the Beanbean enemies because part of their charm was they how different they were from Mushroom Kingdom's even if it was slight. Lakitu's never showing their face just their eyes, the Beanbean Koopa being seemingly quadrupeds at all times, Bullet Bill smiling that devilish grin. Take that away and it just looks like Mushroom Kingdom enemies decided to take a vacation and wear bean stems on their heads.

>>381383421
>>381383504
For the ones that they could anyway, and there's literally nothing wrong with that. That and they still made fresh new sprites for enemies like the Fuzzbush which they had no way of reusing assets for.

>>381386742
They said during the Miiting that the reason was because of the paper doubles of the cast running around (though whether or not that's 100% true is up in the air). The only public involvement that Miyamoto had with Paper Jam is the changing the running mechanics to what we have now.

>>381386314
I still disagree with the design philosophy in most regards. Kudo is being overly positive to compensate for being unable to use Toads with personality, for example. No matter how they spin it, they're basically in damage control mode.

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>Koopalings were in Superstar Saga
>already have the assets from Paper Jam
>they were mute and a lukewarm boss rush then
>no reason for them to be mute or have shit fights now

>>381377070
I always thought toadsworth looked weird in SSS

>>381377913
>we got it first
huh. neat.

>>381386314
And yes, Mario & Luigi IS an RPG, maybe they DO feel like it fills that niche. But that doesn't justify every other decision about what to turn Paper Mario into. Or that 2 RPG's can't exist side by side when it's such a huge genre. Nintendo's painting in such broad strokes where there can't be any overlap doesn't always serve them well. Sometimes it's just asinine.

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>>381386742
heres why they only use standard mario characters for paper jam (from the miiverse interview thing)
>>381386849
i'm excited to play this remake and i do love the newer sprites more, but it just comes off as lazy when they edit certain sprites. the first 4 entries were completely original when it comes to assets as all of them were made from the ground up, seeing them just edit stuff and reuse sprites just rubs me the wrong way.
with all that being said, i think this will be superior to the original due to the slight changes they make to fix some of the originals flaws.

>>381387041
It's generally thought that Tanabe went too far considering he limited the game to essentially anyone in the platformers + Toads, when even the 3D games go out of their way to diversify with piantas, sprixies, lumas, etc depending on the location.
I understand what they were going for, but they needed to strike a balance with using OCs and established characters (or at least do something with the characters they are using).

>>381387145
They're confirmed to appear in Minion Quest and the demo shows that Iggy has lines (at least in that mode).

>>381387368
To be fair, the state of Intelligence Systems in general isn't looking well considering Fire Emblem in general and their reason for not making a new Advance Wars game.

>>381387401
>they needed to strike a balance with using OCs and established characters
I would argue the old Paper Mario games already did that. Most NPC's were already variants of Mario-verse enemies, like a goomba with a hat, or a toad with ponytails.

As long as the game is believably set within that universe, I don't need everything to be plain toads.

>>381386830
As the Hammer Bros demonstrate, there was no "lore" reason for the enemies to look different. It's just that AD were left to start a new series from scratch so they took liberties with the designs, even for characters as established as Bowser.
You can like the old ones better but try not to have an autistic fit about it.
>>381387145
Yeah I really hope they make that part more memorable.

>>381387710
So by that logic the Beanbean Boomerang Bros shouldn't be tall and slender anymore?

>>381387628
I feel that Mario & Luigi handled established characters better, having Toadsworth, Birdo, E.Gadd, etc. Paper Mario handled Mario enemies well, but had few established characters outside of Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser until Sticker Star and even in both that game and Color Splash, AlphaDream's interpretation of the characters (especially, Bowser, Junior and the Koopalings) are arguably better than IS's takes.

>>381386830
Miyamoto gets triggered when devs don't use his original approved designs.

>>381387390
Dream Team had an exceptionally large budget from what I heard, so reusing the assets is something they pretty much had to do. Development is becoming more and more expensive, so I get that they just can't magically hash out new artstyles every entry now (never mind that before Mario & Luigi games took 3-4 years to develop, now it's 1-2).

And it's not like it's exclusive to Mario & Luigi. Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby, Mario Party, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Tennis/Golf, all made new games out of existing assets from their direct predecessors this generation.

>>381388210
>but had few established characters outside of Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser
I think that's ideal. There's your hook about why Paper Mario and M&L are different enough. M&L can stay grounded about the adventures of the friends you know, while things like Thousand Year Door let Mario depart from the norm and see distant lands. Or vice versa, if M&L wanted to keep going to strange places like BeanBean.

>>381388409
Fair enough. That could work.

>>381387963
They could, or they could tweak the sprites of normal boomerang Bros.
I don't think it's as dogmatic as you make it seem.

>>381387390
If they end up making Mario & Luigi 6 on Switch, we're going to get a new set of aesthetics, so I think for those concerned about reuse won't have to worry anymore.

>>381376430
were you really necessary?

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>>381388767
that'll be good then.
dream team has my favourite artstyle in the series, but i'm getting tired of seeing it's sprites and assets reused at this point.
hopefully if they do develop the next entry for switch, they decide to make the artstyle resemble pic related.

>>381388597
I'll believe it when I see it. So far I'm not liking what I'm seeing though.

>>381376891
If they kept the outlines it would look so much better