Holy shit, I just beat Dark Souls

>>381362717
not so fast little buddy, you've got five more playthroughs to go before you beat dark souls.

>>381362926
What do you mean? New Game+?

>>381362717

Do NOT skip the second game. It is much more emotional than the second game if you read into the lore, it's a much more depressing game. The third game is nostalgia bait, they gutted poise, fucked parrying, and it had way less atmosphere.

>>381362717
Bloodborne is better than Dark Souls

>am I cool yet, /v/?

>>381363060

sorry I meant the first game**

>>381362717
dark souls 3 is meant as an endcap to every game before it, both mechanically and storywise. whichever games you end up playing, it should be the last one

2 is overrated by pvp shitters but underrated by the rest. many things in it are not good, but enough things are that it's worth at least trying

>>381362926
This.

>>381362717
I'd reccomend the EpicNameBro "From the Dark" playthrough of Dark Souls 1, it's a really in depth look at a lot of the parts of the game.

Dark Souls 2 is an ok game in the series, it gets a lot of hate but it's still worth playing I think, but I'd still reccomend Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne first. Dark Souls 3 has more direct ties with the first game than 2 does.

Bloodborne is possibly the best in the series, it has some flaws i.e. chalice dungeons becoming grindy, but it's a really enjoyable game.

I'm happy you've found yourself at a good point, good luck anon.

>>381362717
I just got the last achievement for the game

>>381362717
this but unironically

>>381363368
I played a little of Bloodborne on a friend's house and the atmosphere and setting looked fucking amazing.

>>381363060
Is 2 ACTUALLY worth playing?

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Cool, now go play the superior souls game.

>>381363570

I believe so. The DLC improved it alot. The bosses are just the right difficulty, the lore is depressing and gut wrenching, and

just listen to this song
how could you not play it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3jAHIuulWE

>>381363720
Miyazaki wasn't involved in this shit, it shouldn't even be considered a Souls games.

>>381363310
why? for what purpose?

>>381364010


He surpervised the project, and came in to help with the DLC.

>>381363570
I haven't played the DLC but everyone says it made the game a lot better. I think it's still worth going through once even if that isn't true. Especially if you do plan to play 3, as there are a lot of 2 references in there.

What do you guys think Miyazaki will come up with next?

How are your expectations for Code Vein? Will it be the next Souls-like masterpiece?

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>>381364745
>How are your expectations for Code Vein?
tbqh i'd be happy for another carbon copy of 1 or 3 or BB.
I cant get enough of the souls franchise

>>381362717
Play Demon's Souls you fucking pleb

>>381362926
Dont forget the SL4 run.

>>381362717
Damn, you actually like video games, what the fuck are you doing here?

>>381362717
heh, wait till you get to Bloodborne.
It's EVEN BETTER than dark souls. And I like dark souls a lot.

It's not perfect, not by a long shot. Did you see izalith? The place is a fucking mess. Solid 8/10 though. I think you will like Dark Souls 3 a lot. It's my personal favorite very close to DaS1.

Ok. So I got DS on a Steam sale only to be let down. The controls of the port are horrible.

However now I have a PS4, and was thinking to give it another shot. For once, to understand the hype, and second, because it looks like an atmospheric game, much in tone with Castlevania, Painkiller, Diablo 1-2, so it should be my sort of thing.

But I don't have an endless budget, so, help me out here: is it ok if a new guy just jumps right at Bloodborne or 3? Or is it really advised to play 1-2-3 first?

>>381366013
>The controls of the port are horrible.
what?

>>381366013
Just get a controller to play DaS on PC

>>381366013
>>381366202
Use your PS4 controller with ScpToolkit, it should work on PC no problem

>>381366378
This but use DS4tools as it's way better

>>381363060
>Do NOT skip the second game. It is much more emotional than the second game if you read into the lore
Imagine for a moment being this wrong

>>381365818
What's the problem with Lost Izalith? I actually really liked the map.

And I generally tend to hate vulcanic places.

>>381366378
>>381366202
Will try that out then, thanks for the tip! Didn't know I can make the PS4 controller work like that.

>>381362717
Not really. Everything after Anor Londo is boring and lacking on detail. The DLC is overrated.

Demon's Souls is a ten times better game and Bloodborne is the real masterpiece.

>Will be skipping 2 since people seem to hate it
I'd rather play through the entirety of DS2 than going through Izalith/ToG again. You're being a brainwashed brat.

>>381362717
DaS3 is piss and shit. BB is great but has a completely different feel. play all of them, DaS2 included, just so you can say you did.

>>381363570
vanilla DaS2 = no
Scholar of the first Sin = FUCK YES.

sotfs is fantastic, ds2 in general has some fantastic mechanics that arent used in any other souls game sadly, bonfire ascetics / covenant of champions are both amazingly good things.

ADP is great and give you direct control over your iframes when rolling as well as boosting item consumption speed (chugging estus).

It has a pretty great soundtrack, one of the better more self contained but actually present stories for a souls game. Decent NPCs with interesting questlines.

Its not perfect, there are some repeated bosses (but also the most bosses in a soulsgame, some of which are absolute top tier). There are some kinda naff weapons, but also some fucking fantastic stuff.

You get the picture - dont believe all the memeing naysayers that havent even played it.

Play it and make up your own opinion.

(oh it also has hands down the best NG+ experience of any soulsborne game).

>>381366637
The best designed level in DaS2 is merely on par with Lost Izalith.

>>381362717
Buy 2 over 3. But really, fuck all that, and just buy BB. Best souls game

>>381366515
copy pasted enemy placement, aka here - fight 7 taurus demons and 8 capra demons.... just because.

also the graphical bugs - the lava blinding you for the rest of your life.

Its not as bad as some people make out, but definitely the weakest zone in das1.

>>381366767
Izalith was the worst experience I've ever had in a video game the first time I went through it. Everything in DS2 couldn't compare.

>>381362717
>Will be skipping 2 since people seem to hate it)

ffs op you colossal faggot.

get sotfs and play it.

I said here why, this is just some of the reasons.
>>381366741

You're just as bad as all the other little shitkids who ignore the game because it had a rough start and now just circlejerk eachother saying its shit without even playing it.

>>381362717
Now, play King's Field 4 ;^)
:spooky:

>>381363570
Ds2 has 2 cat.
LMAO 2 CAT
miss out on the memes you loser.

>>381366515
Enemies look like they were dragged and dropped to their place at random. Retarded demon statues everywhere. Level design is boring. Bed of chaos is a shitty gimmick bossfight. They could have done so much better but clearly lacked the time. Izalith and demon ruins are the only thing that keeps me from giving DaS1 a 10/10 But if you actually like that kind of bland level design you might enjoy DaS2 more than most.
I hope Dark Souls gets remastered some day and they add all the stuff that Miyazaki initially intended

>>381366741
>ADP is great because it gives you control over your iframes
Ah yes, the choice of "Would you like the game to play like total garbage, or not?" You might as well argue that stats that govern the game's FPS are a good thing because "they give the player direct control over the visual experience."

>It has a pretty good soundtrack
The most forgettable soundtrack in the series. I forget that half of the bosses even HAVe soundtracks

>Decent NPCs with interesting questlines
The only good NPCs are Maughlin and Navlaan. The rest have only 1/10th of a real questline, like Rosanne and her dad sitting 5 feet from each other but never noticing the other.

>>381366886
Oh, I see, that really was a problem. But talking about the map itself, I liked its design. The ones I didn't like were New Londo, Blighttown, the Catacombs and Tomb of Giants.

>>381367102
Sweetest shalquoir motherfucker.

>>381362717
still gotta kill manus and artorias. two of the best bosses in the all of the souls games

>>381367191
The 2cats in the blizzard though.
And fume knight (93% failure rate).
Hardest bosses in the game.

>>381366907
Earthen Peak and SOTFS Iron Keep are worse by far, for the basic reason that Izalith is skippable. Not only are both zones anti-fun to the highest degree, they're also among the ugliest levels ever created by videogame designers.

>>381367169
New londo was cut short in development time sadly, there was meant to be more. I do like what we got though desu - great eerie area.

Blighttown - i loved it desu, but can see why other may have issue.

Catacombs were a little boring, Tomb of the giants was great fun imo - a very unique experience, especially if youre a stupid fuck like me and didnt know about any other light sources, so did the whole thing in the fucking pitch black dark.

The bad part of playing DS2 is having to put with 40 hours of even worse graphics than DS1.

>>381363570
No. It really is trash that conflicts with the rest of the games

>>381367421
The combat is smoother than ds1 and the bosses are better

>>381363570
It's worth at least checking out, it has it's moments but in the end it's really bad. But you should at least play it before moving on to 3. Also don't listen to the idiots that say that SotFS somehow fixed all the things people complained about in the base game, SotFS did not make any significant improvements, particularly in level design which is where DS2 is most lacking compared to the first one.

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>>381367169
Then you have shit taste. I can't even believe someone would like Lost Izalith more than Blighttown, maybe because it's easier, but the level design in Blighttown is one of the best the game has to offer.

>>381367372
Lud and Zallen were fun imo, so was Aava.

I also liked those demonic fucking unicorns everyone seemed to hate, maybe im just somewhat masochistic? Fun either way - and amazing weapons and armor from eleum loyce.

>>381366461
I simply cannot. These levels of wrong shouldn't even be possible.

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>some cunt made Roger Ebert play Dark Souls to convince him games are "art"

How does it make you feel knowing the greatest movie critic that ever lived went to the grave after reaffirming video games are not art by playing your shit game?

>>381363570
Some people like it, some don't. The only way you'll know you like it is if you try it yourself

>>381367169
I dreaded going to New Londo and saved it for last in my first playthrough, ended up being my favorite area in the game.

>>381366637
DS2 shit post in disguise.

Do not be fooled.

>>381366013
Here's your playing order:
DeS (If you have a ps3) -> Ds1 -> Ds3 -> Ds2
Play Bloodborne anytime you want

>>381366741
>vanilla DaS2 = no
>Scholar of the first Sin = FUCK YES.
Can you stop posting?

>>381367473
>the combat of DaS2 is smoother than that of DaS1
fuck no. even if literally everything else between the two games was the same (which it isn't), DaS2 would still be worse because controller dead zones make the DaS2 MC handle like an 18-wheeler with respect to the others of the series. It's clunky as fuck, not to mention the presence of ADP, slowed-down animations for everything across the board, and the game's fondness for ganking the player with mobs of trash enemies.

>>381367594
This, I wish people would just play the damn game instead of avoiding it cause /v/ said so.

/v/ is frequently wrong and full of shit. Go play it and make up your own mind.

>>381367524
Those lightening unicorns really killed off everything desu.
I had to save scum in front of lud and zallen to beat them.

Fume knight and sir allone are really something to enjoy.

OP will miss out.

>>381367393
>Earthen Peak
Was probably one of the few areas in DS2 I enjoyed actually

>SOTFS Iron Keep
Now THAT is why I can't take people who say that SOTFS fixed DS2 seriously, that place was a fucking mess, just absolutely dreadful.

>>381366013
Playing order really doesn't matter at all. When in doubt you should always just go release order

>>381366741
>Top tier bosses in DS2
Do go on Anon. Which of DS2s bosses are not absolute irredeemable trash compared to the rest of the series?

>>381367692
I can, but why would I.

Especially when theres the das2 is bad because /v/ told me so plebs out in full force.

>>381367804
Iron peak>>>>>>>>lost izalith

>>381363616
Not really worth buying a ps4 in my opinion

>>381367405
I see, I really liked Anor Londo, the DLC maps and especially the Duke's Archives, they were amazing, one of the best experiences in vidya for me, really loved everything about it.
>>381367483
Well, Blighttown does have a great level design, but I simply didn't like its atmosphere, it's just like that other map in Demon's Souls, I just can't like those types.

>>381367859
Fume knight.
Find a boss that's better.>>381363616

>>381367881
Did you mean Earthen Peak or Iron Keep? Or both? Well anyway yeah sure I guess they're better than Lost Izalith, but that's not saying much. Actually scratch that, SOTFS Iron Keep is even worse than Lost Izalith, because at least Lost Izalith is mercifully short.

Ds2 has power stance which is properly implemented dual wielding.
No other game has that. Enjoy your trash loser.

Whoever designed the DaS2 mechanic of being able to be backstabbed out of walking through fog walls should be removed

>>381367570
>Ebert died knowing that movies have gone to shit and will never recover.

>>381368098
Iron Keep is great.
Weeb knight enemies and shit.
Don't forget the DLC of ds2. It's better than the DLC of Ds1

>>381368124
powerstancing was about as useful as weapon arts (that is to say, not in the slightest) for 99.9% of all weapon combos.

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>>381367994
>Fume Knight
Hold on give me a minute. Trying to think of a single boss from any of the other games that at worse than him.

>>381363570
At the very least it really isn't bad. Lords of the Fallen is what an actually bad game is like. DS2 comes nowhere close to that

>>381362717
The absolutely garbage second half which falls short of the first half in almost every single way will always prevent it from becoming a masterpiece, and calling it flawless is just being deluded.

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>>381362717
Come face me, anon. Show me how much of a non casul you are.

>>381367859
Pursuer
Ruin Sentinels
Ornstein 2.0
Lost Sinner (on ng+ with pyros)
Executioners Charriot (spectacle fight, but fun and different)
Mytha - learn to environment or fail.
Smelter Demon
Old Iron King
Dukes Dear Freja (especially her guest appearance in ng+)
Vestaldt
Mirror Knight
Nashandra
Aldia
Darklurker
Elana
Sinh
FUCKING FUME KNIGHT
Alonne
Burnt Ivory King
Aava

I enjoyed all those fights for one reason or another.

It's crap that needs fan made patches and mods to function properly.

>>381368189
That was in DaS 1 as well but it only worked for invaders backstabbing the player

>>381368271
Iron Keep is what would happen if the DaS1 designers made the Izalith dragon butts 100x harder to evade, increased their density by a factor of 5 and made them aggro from the whole map away, made the entire level unskippable and also increased it's length by 2. It's shit.

>>381368271
I like sotfs, but nah - DS1 dlc is god tier, DS2 dlc is damn good - but im not sure it tops oolacile / manus / artorias.

>>381368380
You seemed to have over looked the "not" in that post, Anon. An honest mistake.

>>381363570
Compared to bloodborne and das3 it's bad. Compared to most of the other shit that gets released nowadays it's pretty good.

>>381368467
>made them aggro from the whole map away
Fun fact, that was actually the case with the dragon asses before they patched it

>>381368467
So you were a babby that couldn't evade katana swings from alonne knights?
They were easier to beat than Dragon butts

>>381368124
>properly implemented dual wielding.
Who the fuck used powestancing?
If anything its just as hal fbaked as 90% of WAs in 3

>>381368551
what makes those trash

>>381368551

>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE

you can leave now, or keep crying, whatever desu

or even better, argue your point. Chances are you'll bring nothing but buzzwords or other opinions you've seen on /v/ and will mimic & parrot.

>>381362717
>Matthewmatosis' 6h video
>that part where he talks about caching
holy shit it was boring

>>381368603
There was a reason why they patched it. SOTFS team should have learned.

>>381368615
>haha if you didn't like it you must have been too bad to beat it :^)))))
ebin

>>381368697
The standard of the series.

There are worse games than dark souls 2. They aren't a part of the series. (Like take mass effect Andromeda. That game had worse boss fights than DS2)

>>381363060
this is literally true and the Dks2 hate is a big fat internet meme and bandwagoning

>Not playing Demon's Souls.

>>381366461

I have personal bias with it. i found the lore and atmosphere to be superior. that is all

>>381369056
kek nobody wants to play that old shit...dark souls better in every way

>>381368697
leave the poor guy alone, he's yet to start having his own opinions. Summer is still young.

>>381368772
Where did I say you can't like what I don't like. You are absolutely entitled to have bad taste. I was merely saying the fights are shit given the standard of the series.

As for arguing points, by all means, explain how something like Old Dragon Slayer is better than any boss from ds1 ds3 demons or bb.

>>381368351
This argument is so retarded. There is one bad area. How does that equal the second half of the game being shit? The archives and DLC are amazing areas, new Londo and catacombs/totg are fine and lost izalith sucks.

>>381367859
Darklurker and Mirror Knight
the rest of the DS2 bosses are so shit.

>>381368909
"Bioshock Infinite is a bad game because no one ever says the word 'N-I-G-G-E-R' there".

-Matosis, Matthew

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>>381369128

>>381362717
DS2 has magic that's fun and viable to use and it gives more freedom with level progression than any other Dark Souls. Don't be a faggot and form your own opinion by actually playing it.

Dark souls is garbage, you only like it because it makes you feel like you're good at something even though it's something that doesn't matter at all

>>381369128
>He's not a BONAFIDE KNIGHT
poor anon....

>>381367969
OP also needs DS3. In this case, it is worth buying.

>>381367570
What exactly did he say about the game? Have he ever done any critic or review on it?

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>>381369324
>he couldn't beat the asylum demon

>that part where you swing a weapon through solid bars to get a key
Who wrote this shit

It's okay if people hate ds2 and skip it.
I liked ds2 and I have it installed. It's a work of art like the other ds games.
Whatever anyone else says.

What made Nashandra think that she had a prayer of beating DaS2guy in a 1v1 when she had supported him for the express purpose of doing all the dirty work that she wasn't strong enough to do, and he just succeeded in doing that?

>>381369431
You give him too much credit, I doubt he even got to the Asylum Demon, probably couldn't even find his weapon and shield.

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>All this fishing for (You)s with shitty unpopular opinions.


OP, go play DaS2 for yourself. Its drastically different from 1 and 3 but you may just like it.

>>381368912
That's ragging on the bosses too much
They weren't even covetous tier

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>>381369324

>>381369173
>Where did I say you can't like what I don't like.

you say it right here with flat out denial of the existence of other opinions

>>381369173
>You are absolutely entitled to have bad taste.

>>381369173
>explain how something like Old Dragon Slayer is better than any boss from ds1 ds3 demons or bb.

For starters, fanservice - this was a time when we werent all jaded as fuck by seeing the exact same bosses in every damn game. It was a cool kickback to DS1, helped show more connections to the lore and the fucked up timelines / things repeating - things betwixt you may even say.

Then on top of that, its a very early fight potentially, guarded by a challenging dragon, and potentially challening mobs on the way to it - heide knights and old knights in sotfs.

The fight itself has fantastic music, and whilst I'm not gonna say its absolute top tier like Sinh or Raime, its still an enjoyable fight where the whole fucking (beautiful) cathedral around you gets reduced to rubble as he dashes all over the shop.

>>381369392
DS3 is on pc though

>>381369221
Actually somewhat rational.
Mirror Knight was just a less compelling Old Monk, which didn't work half the time (three play throughs and I only ever got NPCs summoned twice. Third fight he never did it)

Darklurker is arguably the best fight in that game, but all bosses have to be taken in context (it's why, for instance, you can't rationally compare Nashandra to Asylum Demon. One's an end game boss that is supposed to involve a narrative culmination and the other is a mechanical tutorial).
Darklurker's -context- was gay as hell and made very little sense. The actual mechanics of the fight though were almost par for the series. So yeah, more or less sort of agree that he's the best DS2 has to offer.

>>381369615
>>381369431
>>381369636
>le "it's hard so you aren't allowed to criticize it" maymay xd

>I'm crying, it's the best game I've ever played, it's perfection, it's art in its most pure form.
>Will be skipping 2 since people seem to hate it
upvoted ;))))

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>>381364064
Because the 'real challenge' it's on NG+ or NG++. Just one run isn't enough.

>>381369651
>People liked the Old Dragonslayer because it was a neat bit of fanservice that presented a break from rehashed bossfights and helped shore up lore connections
This is some next-level historical revisionism. Old Dragonslayer was memed as the symbol of everything wrong with DaS2 for months. In fact, it's still a frequent example of one of the worst moments in the game.

>>381364278
>He surpervised the project, and came in to help with the DLC.

That's why the DLC doesn't suck so much like the rest of the game. Dark Souls 2 is a fucking piece of crap, just accept it.

>>381369803
If you had valid criticisms from playing the game instead of psychoanalysing the people who enjoy it and think it's one of the best games ever made, then there'd be room for discourse. If you quit because it was hard and you didn't get to enjoy everything the game has to offer then it's hard to engage in a discussion before you know, you get good.

>>381369803
Bro, calm yourself down, breath and tell us which part of the tutorial are you stuck? Maybe we can help you, kid.

>>I'm crying, it's the best game I've ever played, it's perfection, it's art in its most pure form.
>>Will be skipping 2 since people seem to hate it
Where can I gift this guy some gold and up vote him?

>>381369928
Am I the only one who thinks NG+ is always the easiest playthrough? The minor stat increases on the enemies were never a match for my upgraded weapons and end game stats. At least 2 threw some curveballs but that still wasn't enough

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>>381369803
"I can't beat dark souls so I'll just call it trash, and get mad when people say I'm bad at the game."

>>381369803
You didn't give a single argument to prove the game is shit other than saying people play it because it's hard and gives them a hollow feeling of accomplishment, therefore it's safe for us to assume you thought it was too hard for you and you gave up.

Who else beat the game using cheap tricks like pyromancy and can't beat the game again properly? Also beat capra demon overlevelled cause I went the wrong direction and now he fucks my shit up.

>>381370010
Youre stating that as a fact, which is objectively false.

Its an opinion, I'll flat out call you a delusional liar is you try to claim O&S didnt leave some mark on you in DS1, thus the mere presence of a nod to O in DS2 hold some weight.

>>381370142
Yeah it is much easier besides 4K in DS1. People should do SL1 instead of doing NG+

>>381370142
Have you played sotfs on ng+.....

getting inside of drangleic castle is fucking challening.

Those 2 mammoth knight fuckers, red phantom, 4 syan knights, two packs of 3 constantly respawning basic knights/archers.

>>381370241
I beat it by overleveling with the soul duplication glitch and cant bear to play it normally

>>381370321
SL1? You mean beat the game without leveling up? How the fuck is that even possible holy shit

>>381370273
If Ornstein was going to show up as a boss in later games he deserved better than being the 3rd boss players see and also a total pushover. It's an insult.

>>381370241
My autism forces me to summon Sif on Manus fight all the time, other than that, I don't cheese DS1 bosses.

DS3 tho... I use the dragonslayer shield against the Nameless King and I have no fucking regrets, that guy is a fucking monster that breaks spirits.

>>381370514
What, so now you're trying to argue that he wasnt made a big enough deal of?

Make up your damn mind.

>>381369651
Again, you're allowed to like what I don't like, but shit taste is shit taste. No one is going to force you to change but you'd be better off being aware of it.

As for Old Dragon Slayer, your pros are:
>Fan service
>it's early in the game with challenging enemies leading up to
>Good music + environment aesthetic

As I said in another post, context is important. Old Dragon Slayer had literally 0, as it was the most ham-fisted way to introduce fan service one could possibly imagine (look to Dark Souls 3 to see how they actually involve references to the first game to further the narrative rather than just plop down a reskinned model and say LOOK IT'S THAT GUY YOU FOUGHT BEFORE)

As for music, I don't quite remember so I won't comment. But the aesthetic is.... fine? That doesn't address its comparison to the other games, of which I would argue all are on par/better. I'll give you destructible environments. Sure every single fight to take place in a cathedral has these (Fool's Idol, O&S, Boreal Dancer) with the exception of maybe Vicar Amelia (can't remember if there were chairs and shit in that room. Think there weren't).

What's hysterical about it though is that it's a carbon copy of O&S but objectively -worse-
>No O
>less compelling environment
>less lead up
>less justification
>less (read -zero-) narrative ramifications of completion.

All he did was safeguard some covenant that had nothing to do with him, correct?

Again, plug him in a different game and may he's fine. He is, however, sub 5/10 given -the standard of the series-

>>381370512
It's alright. Weapons upgrades and rings + pyromancy (doesn't upgrade stats) make you hit extremely hard. It's really not that difficult especially with pyromancy

>>381370591
The argument was that he was a poorly-done reference, not that he was too little or too highly significant in the game. Read posts.

>>381370142
I think for experienced souls players, NG+ or NG++ etc. it's just the same, with more souls and a little bit more challenge, but considering OP just finished one run he may have a hard time beating it again (and that's to me the real 'experience' of the souls series) After that, you just get used to the 'difficulty' i guess.

Anyway OP, play it again, and then play Demon's Souls + Bloodborne. This two are probably the better games of the souls series (with DaS1 also) DaS2 sucks ass and DaS 3 is meh... but WAY batter than 2.

>>381370512
I remember watching a guy beat all of DS3 no armor, no weapon, no rolling, blocking, or parrying all on SL1. He just walked around the attacks, and emoted to dodge them. I think he didn't run either, just walked.

>>381370815
SL1 + NG+ + Calamity Ring equipped, now that's the real challenge.

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>>381370241
I beat Sif and Ceaseless Discharge on my first run using an Astora's SS. Without any magic. Under SL 30.

>>381370054
>>381370206
Don't pretend you were actually trying to engage in a legitimate conversation about the quality of the game with "le git gud skrub xd">>381370152
>>381370120
>if I just keep using the same straw man over and over again, it'll come true!

>>381370595
net cut out and i lost my post.

tl;dr, impossible for us to be objective when its a massively subjective matter. One persons interpretation of his implementation may be the polar opposite of another persons, neither of them has to be wrong though.

I cba having this discussion over again tho so am jus gonna leave it at that. Kudos for actually articulating a response tho.

I just hope anon that started the thread actually plays sotfs and doesnt listen to people shitting on the game who have never even fucking played it.

/rant.

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>>381371324
I still don't see your arguments

>>381370850
Ah, I get you now.

See >>381371534 tho.

I'm bailing thread, dont have time for a das2 general sadly.

I think imma start a new run on sotfs tomorrow tho after thinking about it again tonight. Fun times.

>>381371324
A Straw Man is a logical fallacy, which is only possible when using logical arguments, there is no fallacy whatsoever in a casual conversation in which both parties aren't using any kind of logical arguments.

I only say that because I hate the way people banalize this word by saying everything is fallacy when they don't even know the meaning of this word.

>>381371783
Platform?

>>381371550
Fine, the game isn't bad because it's hard, it's bad because of why it's hard. A game like super meat boy is hard but fair because the game doesn't use any RNG in the main game, which in its case I should the platforming. Because of this whenever you die you know what you did wrong and can adjust. In dark souls this isn't the case, the enemies choose an attack randomly, so the only thing you can do differently each time you die is react faster, so that's the solution to every problem. This make the game extremely shallow and only really existing to jerk off the ego of twitchy twelve year olds.

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>>381371324
>Acts retarded, and gets called a retard
"Hello everyone it's me. A random person you've never met. I can't believe you fell for that guys bait who definitely isn't me. What a bunch of fools you are for falling for that random persons bait! Whoever he is."
I hope you can prove me wrong with a simple screencap, but you smell like a samefag anon

>>381372319
This reads like you copypasted it from a youtube or reddit thread. I hope for your sake that you did.

>>381371534
Sotfs is only bad for a souls game. It's certainly better than, say, god what was that game.

Lord of the fallen. THAT is 0/10 for a "souls like" game. DS2 is better than that just bad for the actual series.

I'm always willing to go into game design discussions here. I actually do design and development professionally and love talking about this stuff. Too bad /v/, on average, doesn't like video games anymore.

I finished Lords of the Fallen and kinda liked it, will I enjoy DS2?

>>381372392
What the fuck are you even talking about? At what point in my post did I say my first post was bait?

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>>381372319
>This nigga doesn't know how to adapt to a boss fight
Why do you even play vidya anon

>>381372586
Probably. Both games are crap.

>>381372586
You should. They're both poor games, but if you liked LotF you should like ds2

>>381372319
There are multiple ways to tackle situations in dark souls. Just use a bow if your bad at melee. Just run if you dint want to kill everything.
Just level your str and upgrade a greatshield if you dislike dodging and want to block literally everything.

>>381372527
>I hope for your sake that you did
Or what? You and your autistic friends are going to criticize me on the internet? Good to see these great "arguments" you're pulling out here.

TRACKING
SHOCKWAVE
ATTACKS
I MEAN REALLY C'MON

Easiest way to beat dark souls if you think it's too hard is to equip a spear and a shield.
Block and punch holes through everything.

>>381372873
Dodging things quicker isn't really "adapting to a boss fight"

>>381363616
hahaha, are you angry, dude?

>>381366378
>>381366437
*DS4Windows
Fixed that for you.

>>381373335
Quickly*

>>381367140
>FPS
do you know the difference between iframes and fps? what are you even talking about?

ADP affects your invincibility frames during rolling etc, it has nothing to do with the games frame rate

How essential is DS2 lore-wise?

>>381362717
Joseph's Anderson videos actually talk about the game instead of droning for hours about muh immersion breaking door, a couple of bullshit trivia about pre-fetching he couldn't even get right and 20 MINUTES OF THE IRON GIANT FIGHT WITH A SHITTY LIGHTNING SPEAR CHRSIT MATTHEW WHY ARE YOU SO RETARDED

>>381373335
You can see the attacks coming, you learn the wind up's, and the combo's, when you can and can't get an attack in, and if you fuck up you can take a step back, and estus quick. If me and thousands of other people can do it why can't you?

>>381373492
>not understanding the process of making comparisons
>not being literate

>>381362717
DeS > BB > DaS > DaS3 > Das2

>>381363060
>ds3 poise is bad
easiest way to spot a complete dumbass. I suppose you think ds1 poise is a good system then? Just equip havels and face tank everything. Low health after getting hit 50 times? Just take a sip of estus, there's no punishment. With the buffs to poise and heavy armor ds3's armor system is WAY better than ds1

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>>381373719
>Not having BB on top
I'm calling the police

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>>381363570
NO.

You dont miss out on anything.

The only ones who likes DaS2 are the PvP fags and contrarians without taste.

It's a half assed lackluster experience that got downgraded to hell and back.

Jump to either DaS3 or Bloodborne.

>>381373719
Flip bb and ds3 then you're good

>>381373650
*unzips dick*
How bout that shit faggot?

>>381373719
>BB > DaS

Nah. Although this also works as a list of easiest to hardest so that makes sense.

I'm a PCfag obsessed with playing every series in order of release.

I want somebody to tell me that skipping Demon's Souls and going straight to Dark Souls is fine. Please.

>>381373752

nah. DS2 poise system was best

>>381374184
its fine

>>381363570
I've played them all except Demons. DS2 is definitely one of the best. I'd say 1,2 and Bloodborne are equals and DS3 is shit.

>>381373538

very. if you read into it

>>381362717
>I'm crying, it's the best game I've ever played, it's perfection, it's art in its most pure form. The NPCs and their stories and quests, the moral conflicts, the lore, the melancholic atmosphere, the amazing soundtrack, the superb combat and weapons, the bosses and enemies, the maps, the exploration, Oh my God, there's now flaws to those games.

Sounds like you just finished Breath of the Wild friend.

>>381374184
They aren't connected at all except for one character that's in both games but I don't give a shit about the lore so idk whats up with that

>>381374184
if you have a PS3 then play Demon souls, because once you play DaS1, Das3 and BB theres no going back. It will feel really outdated in comparison.

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>>381373912
Are you trying to make a point? Because I'm not seeing it. If you're talking about unpredictable attacks in Dark souls bosses then you just need to get hit by it untill you learn to see it coming. Dying is part of Dark souls. It's how you learn.
For example Pontiff Sullivan bent me over for like 3-4 hours in Ds3, until I learned his combo's, and when he left himself open.

>>381374184
I could lie, if you would prefer

it's worth buying a ps3 over

>>381374184
The story's aren't connected at all, and the game plays similar, but different enough that you will still need to learn how to play both without just jumping into the other. If you don't have the system for Des then you can skip it and be fine.

>>381373719
Agreed anon. But BB and DeS are probably both on top, hard to choose one.

>>381373719
Swap das and 2 and its perfect

>>381370241
For me it was just farming for shit. Farm for the balder shield and sword/use claymore/ farm for falchion from cemetery skeletons and titanite shards so you can have a shield with good stability and crazy DPS, kill Havel with back stabs, kick lautrec off the edge of firelink, go to Darkroot, get elite knight set, do the catacombs shortcut, summon leeroy, smash pinwheel, kindle bonfires to 20 estus, grind for large titanite shards in the depths, boom you have a +10 weapon before entering FPStown.

>>381362717
>should I buy a ps4 for dark souls 3 and bloodborne

yes

both are 10/10. Also 3 is better than 1

>>381363570
2 has good pvp and awful pve, skip it.

Qualana of Izalith is the best waifu in the whole series.

>>381375395
>Fist play through of Bloodborne
>Having a blast until I run into Bloodstarved beast
>Try over and over but get fucked, and run out of blood vials
>I'mnotplayingyourshit.png
>Spend like an hour grinding in central Yhranam
>get around 150 bloodvials
>every time I got close to 30-40 I would go back, and grind for more
Looking back I feel like I just turned on casual baby man mode by doing this.

>>381363368
This, Epic name bro is very analitical about the story, setting and developers intention, he has some insight of the work arounds of from software since he knows Hidetaka Miyazaki (the director) and has worked doing guides for dark souls 2 and bloodborne, he also knows Japanese (and uses it to get the accurate item descriptions in its original language) all these elements help him debunk some popular theories with proof, like the idea that pinwheel is a family fused but instead it's a joke boss that references a sketch show in Japan, so I really recommend checking his content. Dark souls 2 it's a very good game, just not a very good dark souls, feels like a filler after playing dark souls 3.

>>381375969
Should have just skipped him, I love going back to him just before I fuck Gehrman up.

>>381362717
I was under the impression the correct way to play Dark Souls is identical to how one plays Rust. Killing literally anything that even remotely shows the possibility of having human-like qualities.

>>381368357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdSvCCtjxk

>>381375628
get your mitts off my honeybunny
she's my waifu

>>381363570
It's definitely the weakest entry, but it's still worth checking out and even if the general quality is lower and it has some incredibly frustrating moments, it also has some high points. I don't think any fan of the series should just completely miss out on it.

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>>381363085
Sorry pony, but nah.

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>>381377332
No

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>>381362717
Be sure to play Demon's Souls at some point, it's better than Dark in a lot of ways even if it's got even more jank

>>381363616
Played that and got bored as fuck
Beyond overrated

>>381367169
>not liking the catacombs

Unironically one of the best areas in the game. Filled with secrets and non-obvious shortcuts, challenging to go through until you either figure out blessed weapons or take out all the necromancers (and then even still, you can easily get overwhelmed by skeleton hordes if you go too fast). Great vertical level design. I love it, awesome area to invade in. I love it. Only complaint would be that Pinwheel is a disappointing boss. And maybe that the bonewheel pit is kinda bullshit and usually not worth it to try and clear out.

>>381362717
Bloodborne is great, even for a souls-hater like me. I don't like Souls series, but I enjoyed Bloodborne very much.

Skip the third if any, it's bugged and won't be repaired, because From hides behind "working as intended" bullshit. Play the second if you want more of the same or jump to Bloodborne if you want a fresher experience based around similar gameplay and story pacing.

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Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne are the best in the series.

Dark Souls 3 is great too. Demon's Souls has amazing atmosphere and lore, definitely worth trying out. Dark Souls 2, while certainly the worst game in the series, is still a great game. Don't skip it.

Make sure to play the DLCs. Artorias of the Abyss is the best content in DaS1, Crown Trilogy in DaS2 is almost as good as DaS and while AoA sucks The Ringed City blows Artorias of the Abyss the fuck out.

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>>381363570
It's a 8/10 at worst. Going by /v/ last poll it goes something like this:
BB > DS1 > DeS > DS2 > DS3

Give it a try.

bloodborne is on par with das1, das3 is good in some aspects but trash in others (some of the best bosses but some of the worst level designs), skip das2

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>>381378974
>it's bugged and won't be repaired

What do you mean? You hate soulsgames, what the fuck do you know?

One thing (1) that they didn't fix. Tell me.

>>381363616
Over rated crap, I played it finished once, and then resell it, /v/ keep shilling this game but is just trolling at this point.