Leave Final Fantasy to me.

Uuuh sweetie,
You tried and failed already

>>381356885
Um, no honey. FFXII is the only good Final Fantasy Square made after 8.

>>381357246
More like ix is the only good one after vii

I loved 12

>>381356836
Is this the original or the revised edition?

I played the original but don't know the changes they did for the revision

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>>381357246
I hope you aren't trying to imply that 9 is bad and 8 is good

8 is shit, 9 is good, 10 is okay, 12 is okay, 13 is bad, 13-2 is decent, 13-3 is very good

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4, 6, 7, 8, and 10 are the only good FFs. 9 came close but battle system sucked, tetra master was garbage, and the last act shit the bed

>>381357564
Revised. It has a 'Job system', where you get locked into a limited License board instead of the whole thing. There's also things like being able to get all gambits from shops early, and not having to worry about that stupid ultimate weapon chest thing. There's probably some other details too, but I think that's the important bits.

>>381357564
it's the IZJS that we never got in the west.

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>>381356836
Yeah dude 12 is one of my favorite mainline FF games.

9 > 12 > 7 > 6 > 5 > MASSIVE POWERGAP > 4 > 10 > 15 > 8 > 13

Only listed games I've played.

>>381357839
>you get locked into a limited License board
How is that a good thing? The license system was a hindrance in the first place

>>381356836
I have this on ps2. Didnt touch it. Is it good?

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>>381357839
>>381357852
Great. Now I can play Team Ass again

>>381358183
Nope. Shit battle system, story/characters, mechanics. Good music and graphics (for its time). Definitely not worth playing now.

>>381358183
Yes it's fucking good but it's also one of the most, if not the most, polarizing titles in the franchise. Literally every discussion ever had about the game is high praise or shitslinging. Try out TZA when it arrives in a couple weeks.

This is the definitive list of best FF:
IV
V
VI
IX
Tactics
Tactics Advance
Tactics A2
XII
Dissidia

>>381358061
I didn't say it was. But it was their attempt at adding a 'Job system' to the game by limiting you to thematic abilities/equipment instead of letting you do whatever with the License board.

heyheyheyImcaptainbasch.jpg

>>381358293
>shit story/characters

loool. I bet you think FF7 is well written.

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>>381358551
Let's not bring back dead memes

>>381358537
Ah ok. Is that really all there is to it? They didn't expand on it at all?

>>381358740
And I bet you think Vaan and Penelo are well developed.

>>381358526
Not that anon but am debating getting it since I skipped it during the PS2 days. What makes it polarizing? The combat or the story? A mix?

>>381359020
Are we really doing this again? Both of those characters serve their small purposes in the story.

In all honesty XII suffers from the same problem as XV in that it's a game that's a final fantasy in name only and would have been better off as it's own title with it's own name. Don't get me wrong though, I love XII and I consider it one of the best JRPGs ever made if only because it had down to earth characters and a plot that didn't consist of BAD GUY/GOOD GUY but I giving it the "Final Fantasy" name was stupid

>>381359147
Gambits, Vaan and Penelo, people thinking they were trying to make XI offline, and the way the story starts to change as you progress. Personally I don't see any of these as problems, but the debates never end really.

>>381359147
Both really. The combat had a lot of naysayers due to the stupidity of the AI and the MMO esque combat system was boring. The story gets undeserved hate though because it's a great plot that revolved more around political schemes than some cookie cutter good and evil bullshit and the characters aren't central to the events but more cogs in the machine, which also upset idiots wanting to play a traditional hero single handedly saving the day

>>381359147

Jrpgs fags are salty as fuck because ffxii gambits made them realize their FINE jrpg strategies were actually just spam attack or magic until you're 30% hp then heal


It broke the magic and made them realize they were just trained monkeys that could be automated

>>381359198
That doesn't mean they're good.

>>381359198
Vaan's arc:
>"boy I want to be a sky pirate"
>becomes a sky pirate almost immediately
>"yessss"

Penelo's arc:
>"i think i'll follow vaan around"

"Small purposes" is an overstatement, and the other 2/3rds of the MCs didn't fare much better.

>>381359426
Vaan and Panelo are solely a western pet peeve and a stupid one at that considering how well they fit into the story

>>381359147
The battle system is simultaneously too boring and too complicated for most normies to understand, the story doesn't follow anime tropes other than the magic crystal shit, none of the characters are typical JRPG caricatures, the story itself doesnt revolve around the main party.

>>381359020
Vaan is. Penelo obviously isn't, but one of the writers said that Penelo was their favorite character, but it was distressing that her whole story was cut. Also,
>implying that Vaan and Penelo are the only characters in FF12

It's like saying FF6 is shit because of Gau.

>>381359426
>people thinking they were trying to make XI offline
Honestly that's why I skipped it but now it's all repackaged and shiny with a steel case so I might get it regardless. I do like the Ivalice setting.

>>381359538
>the characters aren't central to the events but more cogs in the machine
That does sound like something I've heard. Like the MCs weren't really MCs.

>>381358794
As far as I can remember.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII#International_Zodiac_Job_System
this is probably a better list of changes than what I can give you, but I don't see anything about new abilities or magic, just tweaks.

>>381359547
>trained monkeys that could be automated
>what are aimbots

>>381356836
>The exact moment FF turned to shit

Thanks SE

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>>381359648
I think they do a great job of allowing the player to experience how things unfold from a more normal, not-character-driven point of view. And Penelo has a very nice butt.

>>381359763
Not a thing in turn based jrpg

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>>381359547
>One game that doesn't use traditional turn based combat is a clear example of how turn based RPGs aren't more strategic than button mashing hack and slash action RPGs

>>381357793
7 and 8 was shit

>>381359876
Pretty much

>>381359198
The main cast arcs stop as the God Empress Ashe quest begins and nothing else matters.
Oh and here's Vayne and he has a giant flying castle, why? don't ask complicated questions.

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>yeah half the cast is complete shit and has nothing to do with the story but it's still a great story

I hope all you XII cocksuckers understand how moronic you sound.

Also

Evil twin brother plot????

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS

they fixed it by making it more restricted. if there ever was one of these that deserted an actual remake 12 would probably be the one just completely make it from the ground up, dump half the cast and make the story interesting.

>>381359731
XII is more an ensemble cast game but Ashe and Balthier drive the story forward and just because they don't single handedly save the day doesn't mean they aren't the main characters. They play a role and the game takes place from their point of view

>>381360032
gabranth wasnt evil

>>381360032
1 character out of the whole cast has no real role in the game and that's Penelo. Nice hyperbole though, faggot.

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>>381356836
I'm waiting you in Steam.

>>381359740
I never really liked the pseudo job system thing they did, It felt so restricting

>people actually thinking 13 was bad
i fucking loved 13. amazing story. didnt really mind it being "linear". shit was fine

>The game includes a new take on the License Board system, with twelve boards instead of one, each corresponding to a different zodiac sign and job.
Rip fun builds

>>381360390
What are you talking about? When every character can do everything, there are no builds.

>>381360221
There is the new feature of each character selecting two jobs with TZA, it should make it far less restricting.

>the FF for people who hate FF

No thanks ill pass

>>381360469
>Not giving a character a weapon and just get creative
waaah too much choice

>>381360325
This thread is about 12, so why are you bringing up 13

>13
>amazing story

>>381359839
>And Penelo has a very nice butt.
And Vaan has nice abs.

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>>381360179
Eh it could be strongly argued that Vaan, Penelo, and Fran could be dropped with almost no effect on the plot. Dropping Fran would fuck with Balthier's personal arc a bit, but she's otherwise pointless.
Half the MCs aren't worth a shit.

>>381360593
That's true with every FF after 9.

some of the most thrilling battle iv ever had in a game were had in this game

>>381360657
I think I remember hearing the abs are "fixed" in the remaster.

>>381360593
You mean people with god-tier tastes, right? Because Ivalice is the best FF world in the entire series.

>>381360601
But there is no choice? IZJS has actual choice, because there's a consequence to what you pick, i.e locked out of certain items and spells. You can't have 3 characters that do literally everything.

>>381360727
For the final battle I put the controller down and went and made some cereal, got back in time to watch the last cutscene
Thrilling is the exact opposite word I would use

>>381360697
Vaan is pretty important for Ashe's character development as he serves as her anchor instead of going full dark side.

>>381360939
Can't blame Square for making literally the best AI system in a party based RPG. It just works too well.

>>381360890
Thankfully Matsumo was fired from SE and Ivalice will never again plague FF with its boring, shit setting

>>381360939
>"fighting" Yiazmat
>go take a 2 hour nap
>it's still going

>>381361153
How do you not like Tactics? It's good.

>>381360593
Yeah ff7.

>>381359198
They're orphans whose life is absolute shit, when something interesting happens and beckons to them the go "might as well, since my life is absolute shit anyway". Personally I thought having the main character die in the tutorial and playing as his brother who has fuckall to do with the story because he literally had nothing better to do kinda neat.
The story is Basch's, Ashe's and Balthier's; the other are going for the ride and there's nothing wrong with that. Even Fran has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the plot, she just likes the adventure.

>tfw beaten I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, X, XII, XIII, XIII-2, and LR
>favorite is XII
Can't wait for the remaster. In the meantime, I'm going to finish up IX.

>>381360998
>Vaan is pretty important for Ashe's character development as he serves as her anchor
He could be replaced by a small pet and it would still serve the same purpose "plot"-wise. Hell, they could drop it entirely and have Ashe rely on her own self and it would be the same thing. Awful.

>>381356836
12 is good in every way except in that it's fucking boring. It's the result of an overly big company trying to compartmentalize aspects of the game and make them top notch but failing to have a vision for how the game is going to play fun.

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>The remaster won't have HD Grias
Was it really too much to ask for? I just want to see how tall they actually are, and to see cute Gria butt

Nobody else knows this pain of having your favorite fantasy race limited to one game on a handheld.

>>381360906
You sound like a faggot who wants limitations because you're too stupid to be creative. The point is that when everything is open to you with no restrictions you can make a lot of fun builds. I made Panelo green mage tank with a bit of white magic,Vaan all around magic nuker and had Ashe as a pseudo ninja build. Fags like you think access to everything is a limitation instead of as an invitation to have fun and be creative

>>381361560
>favorite is XII
Likewise. I couldn't be damned about the story but the sheer amount of content and exploration that XII generated more than made up for it's shortcomings.

Also, I'm actually hoping for another mainline game set in Ivalice.

>>381361560
Have fun anon, IX is great. Try to stay as low lvl as you can, everything can be beaten lvl1!

>>381361798
Gambits and hunts are fun tho

>>381356836
Please tell me the steelbook isn't going to have ''Limited Edition Steelbook'' plastered on the case.

>>381357652
8 is great. 9 is garbage. 10 is great. 12 is great. 13 is ok. 13-2 is good. 13-3 is good.

>>381362083
Probably not.

>>381361989
Really? Are you mistaking IX for VIII's level scaling, or can IX actually be beaten at a low level with relative ease?
>>381361973
Yeah, doesn't XII have the most content in the entire series? Besides the MMOs, obviously.

>>381360890
FFT's Ivalice is one of the best. FFXII can fuck right off into a hole for not even managing to do right by FFTA.

>>381361528
>the other are going for the ride and there's nothing wrong with that

I'd agree, but the problem is that Vaan, from what I've managed to stomach of the game, isn't well enough written for that. There are scenes where he should keep his damn mouth shut and instead think things with some internal narration or something, but instead he'll say something stupid and make the party shake their head in disgust or want to slap him. Honestly, he's a complete twit, which is makes him so unlikable.

>>381358534
what the fuck? how can one person be so right?

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>>381362151
>8
>10
>great

If everyone hated the FF12 combat why did everyone love Xenoblade?

>>381361749
>He could be replaced by a small pet and it would still serve the same purpose "plot"-wise.

I guess you could replace all the characters with burlap sacks as well. I mean, why not?

>Hell, they could drop it entirely and have Ashe rely on her own self and it would be the same thing. Awful.

But then she'd be a different character. She's supposed to be a person tip toeing between normality and complete psychotic breakdown. Having her tough it out herself eventually would make her too much of a tough guy streotype. Having her rely on Vaan, another broken individual, who decided that he'd rather not go full evil, pull her and remind her that she's good is pretty significant imo.

>>381361965
Creativity comes from working with limitations, not having limitless freedom.

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>>381362360
>8
>10
>not great

>>381362265
FFTA was shit though

>>381356836
I really hope FF16 is going to be in the same vein. Hiryuki Ito really need to come back.

>>381362207
Well it makes things harder and you have to mess with weaknesses/resistances and the like to beat shit but other than the unmissable xp you get in Pandemonium you can beat everything in the game without leveling up. Bosses only give ap. Going for a full no xp run is a bit masochist especially for a first time but not leveling yourself very much makes things more interesting.

>>381358534
This nigga right here.

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Playing Final Fantasy 15 for the first time, I was kinda hoping I'd beat it today
Pretty much breezed through the whole game but and I just made it to Insomnia and got bent down and spanked

How do I grind quickly, Im pretty underleved (lv 38) and I've pretty much been doing only story so far

>>381362430
Because Xenoblade has variety and FF12 doesn't.

>>381362207
>doesn't XII have the most content in the entire series?
Technically, if you tried to max your stats in VIII through devour or max out the sphere grid in X it would take forever, but it definitely feels like XII has the most content out of all the games bar MMOs.

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>12 exists
>it's getting remastered
>there is a loud minority of retards on /v/ who still say it's the best FF
please die

>>381358061
Assuming you dont know or like the original, then this one is better cause now every character is way more unique while still being customizable

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>>381362440
>liking two of the worst written FF games

Anon pls.

>>381362467
Hey, i like games where you get to play as the villain, not a lot of those around.

>>381362265
Vaan grows on you eventually if you discard the internet meme state of hating him just because everyone says so. He's a dumb fuck but he wises up and he straight up is pure of heart despite being a war orphan.

>>381362698
>Blessed poster
>shit opinion

conflicting emotions

>>381362430
>If everyone hated the FF12 combat why did everyone love Xenoblade?

NINTENDO

>>381358534
>No X or X-2
I like you

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>>381362724
>caring about story

>>381362779
That's all Advance has on A2, dated memes

>>381362794
He's a willful dumbfuck. The whole Sky Pirate shit is a coping mechanism. He's a young teenager who lost his brother and the only way he's able to cope with the pain is to fabricate a fantasy of him becoming a larger-than-life Sky Pirate to keep his mind occupied on other matters.

>>381363005
>playing FF without caring about story
Your favorites better be 1, 3, and 5

>>381362596
Man up and don't grind. If you really need to make some "expericast" magic using rare coins, or bills and shit like that. It gives a lot of xp when you use them. Then sleep in the Altissia hotel that multiplies your xp by 2 or 3 or something I don't remember. There is no need to grind in xv for xp, only for ap.

>>381363021
>Marche being a villain
>meme

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>tfw no client for Final Fantasy TCG

>>381363084
See >>381362440

>>381362439
>Creativity comes from working with limitations, not having limitless freedom

Limitless freedom is a true benchmark of creativity because more things are open to you and people like you get overwhelmed by the amount of choice and sit down and whine about having too much to pick from. You're not being creative with restrictions, you're simply working in your confines and pretending you're doing something different.

>>381363078
I can't tell if you're on the side of "he's a shitty character" or the opposite

>>381363432
So you like limit spam and somehow ignore the 20 hours of those games not spent on limit spamming.
You are weird.

>>381361895

Too bad we never got a FFTA3 or something

>>381363529
that wasn't me, but i do like renzokukening the fuck out of everything. nothing feels better.

>>381358061
it's still similarly restrictive but it helps remove the boring repetitive structure of all the party members having the same license board with different starting points

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>tfw no revenant wings remake

>>381363021
Marche being interpreted as a villain was a serious talking point when FFT Advance was first released. Guy made his fucking brother go back to being a cripple for fucks sake

>>381363501
There's a reason why painters first pick their color palette before they start painting. Or why sculptors have only a finite amount of stone to sculpt with.

>>381357246

This is correct. Fuck anyone that tells you you're wrong.

4, 8, and 12 were the only good ones. By that logic, 16 should be great but given it's Nu-Square, I expect shit that breaks the multiple of 4 trend. :(

>>381363516
I think Vaan is fine for the character that he is supposed to be. He's not a leading character, he's a supporting character, and he's good as that. And I find how he acts to be perfectly reasonable for being a young war orphan who lost his only family and person who took care of him, leaving him to fend off for himself in a hostile world.

>>381363715
Choosing the tools they work with doesn't mean they had limitations you idiot. If anything it showcases that they knew what they wanted to do in spite of all of the options and set about the way they wanted to do it. Don't try to pass off your inability to work without confines as the same thing as art. You're a person who can't stand the fact that you have options and can pursue them instead of being placed on a path and being told what you can and can't do

>>381360728
They aren't inverted anymore.

>>381363712
>>381363139
Can't deal with your problems by running away to a fantasy world

PC release when?

Tempted to buy it anyway, personal favorite FF

7 > 6 > 9 > 10 > 8 > 15 > 13 > 4 > 12 > 14 > 3 > 5 > 1 > 11 > 2

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>>381363607
I just need more Gria in my life, they're like the perfect waifu race. Strong, fast, cute, best classes, wings that they actually use, draconian blood unlike lizard bangaa

>>381364560
8 > 7 > 10 > the rest

>>381364476
It's not a fantasy if it's fucking REAL. Marche could have simply fucked off back home by himself instead of dragging everyone else with him

>>381357246

hes right

>>381358534
>IX

Stopped reading there. Game is a fucking chore and one of the worst FFs.

>>381364753

What class do you think they look best in?

>>381364560
8 > 9 > 7 > TIER GAP > 12 > 10 > 15 > TIER GAP > 10-2 > 13-2 > 13 > TIER GAP > 13-3
2D/Tactical/Ninty FF aren't real FF, stop pretending

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>>381365168
I'm partial to Gria Hunter, how ridiculous it is to make a cap with pockets for your horns and how cute it turned out. Second would be Ravager for looking like a Dragon Quest Warrior

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>Playing the skewered version of Matsuno's vision
>Buying Square Enix products
>Funding corporate meddling

Well, if you feel it's right, then go ahead, I guess.

>>381365608
Jesus, fuck off to your antifa rally

Is it a fantasy about being gay or something? Cause I dont want none of that

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The only true tier list:
6>12>7>5>10>11>14>9>8>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>15>4>>>>>>>piss>>>>>>>>>>>>10-2>>>>>your mother>>>>>>13/13-2/13-3

>>381366028
Yeah I think you win the stupidest tier list award

>>381365608
What are they fucking up with the FFXII remaster?

>>381357793
>>381358534
>>381363893

FF4 is garbage, gameplay is shit compared to V and the story is average

>>381364476
Real talk: Why not?

>>381357246
9 is the best FF ever made.
Fuck you BITCH

It's there any chances to see this game on Steam?

>>381366787
Yeah it's almost guaranteed but it will probably take a while.

>>381366787
Just get the patched PS2 version on an emulator, worked just fine for me (late PS2 graphics, and especially FFXII, hold up really well imo).

>>381366291

He's talking about the fact XII is a butchered version of the original vision of its creator, because of Square Enix corporate meddling, I think. The game is only 30% of what it was supposed to be.

7 = 8 = 12 = 5 > 10 > 4 > 6 > 9 > 1 = 2 = 3

Dunno where I'd put 11, probably among 10.
Know nothing about 14 and 15
13 and everything related is total trash. If only 13-2 hadn't been a 13 game, it does have good things about it.

>>381367196

13 was ten times better than 13-2, though

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World Maps > No World Maps

>Not only the case is different but so is the disc inside them
Come on now Square now I want to get the normal edition even more
>>381368367
In your dreams, maybe.

>>381366028
>rating shit higher than piss
Huh

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>>381366028
youre a fucking nigger

behold

FFT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XIV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VI>IV>V>III>I>VII>>>>>>>>>>>>>IX>>>X>>VIII>II>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XV>>>>>>>>>XIII/XIII-2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bird poop>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X-2

>>381358534
>VII and X contrarians
>people still think IV has aged well

>>381368767
>II
>Over anything
eh?

Why do people hate 8 so much? Squall isn't an argument, every FF game has a retarded edgy protagonist. That one mechanic you can exploit in combat isn't an argument either, just don't exploit it, you do have to go out of your way to exploit it. Feels like there's been some PR campaign against 8 to be honest. There's no reason to hate the game, it's objectively better than 9 because the world and the story are better. Even the characters are better, I have nothing to say about Zidane other than he has a tail and a footballers name.

>>381368989
Gameplay-related issues disappear after you clear 1/4 of the game

Story, presentation, music, ambience, etc are as good as it gets

you need to see beyond having 2 hit yourself on early game to level up shit

>>381368767
>IV>V>III
Honestly, I can't even tell them apart and I completed all 3 of them. It's a joke that some people think first 5 FFs are anything other than cliche weeaboo pieces of trash

>>381369247
>retarded edgy protagonist
But that's not Squall at all. He's genuinely afraid of getting close to people since he suffers from severe abandonment issues.

>>381369247
VIII is one of the most beloved but at the same time the most hate because it is popular boyo. Also because it is wasted potential in terms of story. I personally love it but it could have been miles better.

>>381369247
I have no problem with the story. I fucking hate the drawing system and GF system. Sure you don't need to get x99 of every spell but if you tie stats to how much of a spell you have then you get hours of nothing but drawing and drawing and drawing

>>381369424
>Honestly, I can't even tell them apart

then you were not made to enjoy old JRPGS

III: Colorful, lots of jobs, stock characters
IV: Grim, predefined jobs, unique characters
V: Colorful, lots of jobs, unique characters

like, cmon m8

>>381369621
Even you can't tell 3 and 5 apart unless you see the characters

>>381356836
second time I have gotten a collectors edition for a game.

Whats the best 3D final fantasy game?

I've only played 13 and 15 and want to play more. I like the look of 9.

>>381369746
>for the same* game.
midterms.

Final Fantasy with a character creator when?

>>381369247
I won't comment on the rest but you can't say one's world is objectively better than the other since they're so different. One is a medieval world (with some alien tech thrown in) while the other one is all futuristic and stuff. It's entirely up to the taste of the player to pick which one they prefer.

In order:
XII
VIII
X
VI/III
VII
V
IX

>>381369724
I can because i obviously know the games, been playing FF since 1997

To be quite honest, what makes the SNES FF games GOAT is the combat system

I remember many years ago when i was watching a tv show that uses to create video game reviews, some dude was criticizing XIII and said something that i will never forget

Dont fix what isn't broken.

Take the FFI GBA release as an example, it's a simple but perfect combat system. It never gets old

FF started dying when the mainline games tried desperately to stray from turn combat to MASH BUTTONZZZZZZ

>>381369903
XI/XIV

>>381370208
Those are MMOs, not Final Fantasy

>>381365009
>Game is a fucking chore and one of the worst FFs.
Why?

>>381356836
>constant forced stop of movement to put away or take out weapons

still bothers me

>>381370285
>mainline games are not FF despite being literally numbered because i dont agree with the genre they belong to

you have to be 18+ to post here

>>381370327
Well, i have IX in my top 3 (might even be my favorite in general) but the fights are slow desu. If it was a bit sped up it'd be perfect.

>>381367010

So kinda like FFXV ?

>>381369946
You can say that one is more interesting than another. 9 is just a copy of those early bland SNES-era FF worlds. 8 was pretty fresh, those gunblades were cool and they still are cool.

>>381370719
XII wasn't in development hell for a decade

>>381370901
>You can say that one is more interesting than another.
Only if you compare them to other FF exclusively. Futuristic worlds have been used in RPGs a lot too. Personally i find that kind of setting boring but i won't say that medieval-set RPGs are better cause of this.

>>381356836
I never got to play XII so I'm honestly excited for this.

Aren't they raping the soundtrack and charging extra for the original one?

>>381370285
FFXI is literally the most "Final Fantasy" FF game ever made you ignorant plebeian

>>381364560
>11
>that low

wew lad

>>381371885
You mean IX.

>>381372013
No, most "Final Fantasy" not most overrated.

>>381372096
>most overrated
But that's VI, especially from butthurt faggots that hate VII for "overshadowing" their game.

>Leave Final Fantasy to a game that flopped once and helped permanently ruin the series alongside 11.

>>381371958
>MMO
Instantly garbage.

>>381359224
a name can't make a game better or worse. saying that a game is good but shouldn't be apart of a franchise that is shares so many themes with is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

>>381371650
>raping
If by raping you mean making it no longer compressed tin can shit

>>381364560
5 > 6 > 10 > 9 > 4 > 1 > 10-2 > 7 > 3 > 8 > 2 > 15 > 13 > 13-2 > 13-3 > 12 > 11 > 14

>>381372210
Spoken like a true casual.

Not only was 11 casual repellent, but it was also much more profitable than 12 was.

>>381372210
So Final Fantasy IX?

>>381372210
>>381372253
>>381372669
How old are you? Were even alive when 11 came out?

>>381372253
>gen z fags will never experience the golden age of MMOs

>>381372745
11 was still an MMO, which automatically makes it trash and it forever altered Square's development priorities. As soon as any RPG developer makes an MMO, it's all over. MMOs turn devs into service providers, and from that point on all future games in development are tainted by that "service provider" nature.

>>381372939
That's like your opinion man. FF11 was the only FF game I clocked over 500 hours in.

>there are people who like 8 and its shit teenage drama cast
what the fuck

>>381372838
I'm 31. MMOs have always been trash.

>Paying a monthly fee to play a video game online on top of your Internet connection that you already pay for

MMOs were the cancer that is Xbox Live before Xbox Live existed.

>>381373150
Oh you're poor.

>>381372939
Square pretty much outright admitted FF14 funds their FF games.

>>381373208
>Oh, you don't want to waste money on paying to play video games online? What are you, poor?
Typical shill logic.

>>381373150
Bad comparison.

PS+ and XBL are shit because you're paying to use P2P multiplayer, which should be free because it costs Sony/Microsoft nothing to implement.

MMOs use dedicated servers that cost money to keep running.

Did they fix thee loot?

>>381373132
I only liked Zell desu. And yes, he IS gay.

>>381356836
That's some sexy boxart. I may buy it for that alone.

>>381373362
Just from personal experience. I remember being 16 years old and spending all day playing Guild Wars secretly wishing I could play WoW but I couldn't afford the monthly sub fee.

>>381373374
>MMOs use dedicated servers that cost money to keep running.
Server upkeep costs are trivial. Even for an MMO as large as WoW the vast majority of the subscription fee is pure profit.

>>381356836
At this point I'm not really sure how this meme is supposed to be used anymore

>>381369775
IX is my favorite because it's a throwback to the story and world style of the classic Nintendo era of the games and the last hurrah of Square before they started changing things more and more with X onwards.
But for someone who only played XIII and XV, I think VII or VIII would make for a better choice. Especially VII

>>381373404
I love Zell just because our favorite food happens to be hot dogs. He is not gay.

>>381373474
The hard truth is, all MMOs without a sub fee end up being garbage. All the worthwhile ones I've ever played in my life have had one. All the ones I've tried that didn't have one were either P2W freemium trash or never got content updates.

>>381358061
In this version you can main two classes, so there's some added depth with planning out your party composition.

>>381373150
Haha, I'm the same age and I hold the exact same opinion.

I never played FFXI for that very reason, even though a lot of people seemed to enjoy it. Fortunately FFXIV was apparently the worst FF game ever made so I wasn't missing out on anything there.

>>381356836
FFXV is the best Final Fantasy.

>>381372669
>5
>top tier

Pick both and only both

>>381373641
>FFXIV
>was
You do realize it's still going and just got a decent expansion pack release, right?

>>381373442
Then you'd better make sure you pre-order it at FUCKING GAMESTOP because that's the special steel case you get for pre-ordering. The regular case is just white with the game logo on it.

>>381373870
Is that for the standard edition?

>>381357246
The Zodiac Job System release of FF12 is actually pretty amazing. It fixed like 90% of the gripes, system wise, with the game.
The story is still a pile of hot mess, but it's less hot and less messy than, say, FF8.

Oh, and anyone saying FF9 is good:
The entire game is linear, there is zero choice in character growth, and the story is a worse hot mess than FF8. Fucking Necron from nowhere, and aliens.

It's like an edgy 8 year old got ahold of the script 30% through.

I'm surprised there aren't more dinosaurs and ninjas in it.

>>381373815
And it's still an MMO right?

>>381373978
Yes, the game contains other players that will trigger your social anxiety. I forgot that.

>>381373641
The funny thing about FF14 is it was the worst FF game when it came out, now it's easily the only worthwhile FF game since maybe FF10. FF15 wouldn't even exist without FF14.

>>381374042
>projecting this much

>>381373585
>The hard truth is, all MMOs without a sub fee end up being garbage.
The hard truth is, all MMOs are garbage regardless of sub fees. No MMO developer can produce content faster than the community can consume it and making a sandbox MMO isn't the answer either since people get burned out from the lack of updates and sandbox MMOs are much easier for the developer to destabilize than theme parks.

Think of all the other games you could be spending your time playing. Think of all the non-game-related activities you could be doing if you weren't playing MMOs. MMOs are wastes of life.

>>381374197
Didn't read.

>>381374197
>Think of all the non-game-related activities you could be doing if you weren't playing video games. Video games are wastes of life.

FTFY

>>381358743
It was a perfectly good meme.
It aged well.

>>381374183
Look mommy I used a word that I learned on the 4chans

>>381356836
I REALLY hope they don't fuck this up like they did with the FFX remaster. It's being outsourced to the same Chinese sweatshop though so I'm sure there will be something wrong with it.

>>381374042
>>381374141
I play FF games for the stories and characters, so why on earth would I play the MMO ones?

>>381374493
Because they have great stories and characters.

>>381374493
FFXIV is pretty story centric, retard. WoWfans often complain it's TOO story focused.

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>>381360657
FFTA fixed Vaan already.
"just give him a shirt"

It's so simple. He actually doesn't piss me off now!

I don't get the dislike of XII, I really liked it.

>>381374395
>FF remasters are usually shit
>G.U trilogy's remaster on the other hand seems like it will improve the game
What's with all these remasters and remakes these days? Is this proof that games HAVE gotten worse and it's not only nostalgia?

>>381357246
he IS right, you know that guys, dont you

>>381374389
You're projecting your insecurities onto other people. If anything, you're the socially anxious one. lol

>>381374659
Stop projecting.

>>381356836
XII was the first death knell for FF.

>>381374550
Yeah, but do they have like, cutscenes and spoken dialog and a beginning and an end and a final boss and all that?

>>381373969
>The entire game is linear
Most Final Fantasy are
>There is zero choice in character growth
That's only a problem if you don't like fixed class systems like IV.
>and the story is a worse hot mess than FF8.
Yeah, no, Squall's character derailment in Final Fantasy VIII is a couple levels beyond any other stupid plot point in this franchise and only XV comes close.
>Fucking Necron from nowhere, and aliens.
Man fuck I, time travel out of nowhere
Fuck II, Hell out of nowhere
Fuck III, Cloud of Darkness out of nowhere
Fuck IV, Moon People out of nowhere
Fuck V, aliens out of nowhere again. AND A FUCKING TREE
Fuck VI, gods out of nowhere
Fuck VII, Ancient Black Magic out of nowhere
Fuck VIII, Time Travel out of nowhere AGAIN
Fuck X, Dad out of nowhere
Fuck XII, gods out of nowhere AGAIN
Fuck XV, EVERYTHING out of nowhere

>>381374726
Yes. FF14 has some of the best FF characters and bosses in the entire series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP0EpnwWD4

DAILY REMINDER, PC IS THE ONLY PLACE TO PLAY IN GLORIOUS 4K

>>381374726
Yes. In fact each expansion effectively brings an entire new game's worth of story content with their own cutscenes and final bosses and everything

>>381374630
No, because 9 is great, and 10 is alright. I agree that 12 is really good though.

>>381374586
You should be used to this by now. In series with a big number of entries (like FF or Tailes of for example) people start to cannibalise. I like all of them desu, each one has its flaws and its positives.

>>381374804
>>381374864
Oh shit now I want to play it. Shame it has that monthly fee.

Well that, and it's been out so long coming in brand new at this point is probably out of the question.

>>381374580
It's honestly a bit astonishing how much better he looks when just puts on a shirt.

>>381374586
I like all the FF games, although XII I must say is not among my favorites. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad by any means, but it just misses something that made all the FFs before it so magical and memorable.

Like even right now if you asked me what FFXII is "about" I really couldn't tell you. I could explain any of the others though. I also can't tell you what the backstory of any of the characters are, while if you name any playable character in any other FF I could tell you all about them.

I am not sure why this is. It's just like the writers of FFXII went out of their way to make it as unmemorable as possible.

Can someone explain to me what the fuck Zeromus and Neo Ex-death are suppose to be?

>>381374970
Try the free trial, the monthly subscription is worth it if you like it, and you're not too much of a poorfag to spend a measly $15. My single gripe is that near the end of the base game's story you stop getting enough experience through story quests to just advance to the next story quest, forcing you to stop and grind. Happens around level 40 or so. Like I'm 46 now, and the next story quest requires me to be 49.

>>381374580
Wow, he looks like Tidus.

>>381356836

what, you want to fuck it up more?

12 marked the end of an era. final fantasy was good until 12 came along and started the steady decline of the series. 12 was shit, 13 and 13 and 13 were worse and 15 is the shit cherry on the diarrhea cake.

>>381375253
Oh don't get me wrong, you're completely right about the plot and characters, and that's exactly what it's missing; a good plot and characters. Vaan is by far the DUMBEST protagonist, worse than Tidus I'd argue, Panelo is just that girl who's Vaan's friend, Ashe is runaway princess, Basch literally has an evil twin brother, and Balthier and Fran are pretty cool, but even then I don't remember their deal.
Think I heard the plot is just Star Wars? I'm not sure, never seen it.

>>381375253
>I am not sure why this is. It's just like the writers of FFXII went out of their way to make it as unmemorable as possible.

They were trying to take a 90s/early 2000s WRPG approach to it, so that rather than the story being about the characters and what they go through, it's about what's going on in the world and the characters are of little relevance.

>>381375569
XIII-2 is honestly the best game I've ever played.

>>381375615
>princess runs away and joins a rebellion against an empire
>joins up with a pirate/smuggler and his fuzzy friend
>also recruit the help of some whiny kid from a desert
>big fight goes down in some giant super battlestation
>emperor's right hand man is someone's dad who tried to get his son to join up with the empire

I mean, it's pretty close.

>>381375338
Zeromus is Zemus' hatred of mankind manifesting itself as its own independent entity
Neo-Exdeath is Exdeath losing control of the Void, being partially consumed by it, unraveling and letting all the demons that were sealed within himself and that made him alive out. This resulting mess is still possessed by the Void, and thus is only interested in wiping everything back to zero, which is the Void's stated purpose and function. Cloud of Darkness and Necron serve the same function in their own games.

>>381376087
>Zeromus is Zemus' hatred of mankind manifesting itself as its own independent entity
That's some major butthurt desu.

>>381375615
The basic setup of the characters is very Star Wars. See >>381376039.
But the story quickly goes into very different directions, which is why the comparison only serves as a shitposting tool.

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>>381375253
I liked the manga of FF12 more, it actually tried to tell the story and gave characters a personality. It also showed just how ridiculous the judges were and made them feel like an actual threat. Also Ashe fan service

>>381374763
>Man fuck I, time travel out of nowhere
It was like one of the first RPGs. It gets a pass.
>Fuck II, Hell out of nowhere
The underworld was established, as was how strong the Emperor was, and how he'd be able to literally take it over after death.
>Fuck III, Cloud of Darkness out of nowhere
The ENTIRE GAME goes on about the balance of light and dark. This was foreshadowed in the first 3 hours.
>Fuck IV, Moon People out of nowhere
I never said FF4 was good.
>Fuck V, aliens out of nowhere again. AND A FUCKING TREE
There were no aliens in FFV, also Exdeath was exposed in the first half of the story, and fits the narrative well.
>Fuck VI, gods out of nowhere
They were established long before the floating island.
>Fuck VII, Ancient Black Magic out of nowhere
Materia's rules and the Ancient's roles were well established before you left Midgar.
>Fuck VIII, Time Travel out of nowhere AGAIN
FF8 has narrative problems, but this isn't one of them. This was exposed early on, and explained well.
>Fuck X, Dad out of nowhere
Foreshadowed in the first 10 minutes of the game.
>Fuck XII, gods out of nowhere AGAIN
They were foreshadowed in the first 25% of the game.
>Fuck XV, EVERYTHING out of nowhere
I never said FF15 was good. That game is a fucking mess.

So who's your team going to be?

I'm thinking Ashe, Basch, and Fran

>>381356836
XII was pretty fucking good at delivering the fatal wound to the franchise. I'll give it that much.

>>381359147
The game made a lot of significant changes to the series' formula. As a fan from the first game on I hated it. I don't see why any players that had started with it or had it as one of their first few would have felt the same way.

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>tfw xii is unironically my second favorite ff after ix

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>>381378131
Alright, so what's the problem with IX again? Because Terra and Zidane's weird origins gets foreshadowed as well, considering the Ilfa Tree, the errands Kuja sends you after, and Zidane's long rant about never finding out where he's from. You're excusing a lot of other games having epic tweests
Hell, my biggest problem with IX is that they turned the cool as hell demonic eye in the sky into just the glowing underside of an airship.

>>381378575
Except it didn't kill the franchise because FF13 still sold well after it, despite being one of the worst installments. If anything killed FF it was 13.

>>381378396
My main man Balthier, Fran, and switching between Ashe and Basch the Stampede.

>>381379694
XIV 1.0 killed the franchise. Everyone knows it, Square especially knows it.

So, if I want to play ff xi, but only want to do it solo, so I still have to pay a monthly subscription?

>>381379694
Some injuries take time to finish one off.

>>381379323
XII is unironically my favorite