Alright /v/, what kind of game would we need to make to save StarFox?

Zero two.

Furry porn VR simulator in space with arcade space flight sim as a bonus

>>381349272

Star Fox Zero 2 except with a new plot and better control schemes

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>>381349272
a Krystal game

legend of krystal: true^2

>>381349395
I'd buy this.

>>381349272
not release the saga for 10years and on 2027e3 just put starfox.png on screen

>>381349272s
star fox is way past saving at this point.

>>381349272
A good game with an actual good amount of content and no shitty gimmick controls.

Zero had a pathetic amount of content and shitty gimmick controls, and that's why it failed.

>>381349272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
Ace Combat: Space Furry edition. With more overt homoerotic moments between Fox and Wolf that would make Top Gun look like a Mills and Boone novel.

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>>381350325

Specify guys. What does starfox need to make it a worthy mainstay within the nintendo pantheon? Does the gameplay need to evolve to a new genre, like how metroid did with prime? Does it need to focus on multiplayer instead? What does Starfox as a franchise need to become? Or at least what would make star fox cool again?

>>381349690
That would sell millions to be honest

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>>381349272
a gay dating sim visual novel

lets be honest, starfox as a franchise was born from a tech demo. starfox 2 was on the right track but got dumped for starfox64 and adventures was just meh.

>>381349272
Open world third person shooter.

By retro.

Reboot the story again but don't do the exact same thing as 64 again.
Keep the flight levels the same as they always have. Walker can stay but gyrocopter can fuck off.
Bring back on-foot levels but make it fewer levels and better than Assault.
Multiplayer like Star Wars Battlefront.
Include a hard mode and harder routes for crying out loud.

>>381349395
>>381351009
Or do this. I'm okay with this too.

>>381351009

Can't we just talk about starfox without bringing furfag shit into it.

T. A furfag

>>381350829
Make a good game that involves shooting things in your furry space plane.
Give it enough content to justify a $60 price tag.
That's seriously it. Everything else is just fluff. The only things that matter are those two points. As long as they nail those down, they can experiment to their heart's content so long as it doesn't detract from the quality (i.e. shitty gimmick controls) or amount of content.

>>381349272
Use the Kid Icarus Uprising model.
First half of every stage is an on-rails shooter. For second half, the Arwing docks into the chest of a mecha (no chicken walker nonsense) and that half of the stage is an action game.
None of Zero's all-range bullshit either

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Why are Nintendo franchises so barebones?

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>>381349272
a good game instead of a bad one

that's a free idea for you nintendo if you want anymore you have to pay me

>>381351461
I think Assault's multiplayer is a better fit for it than BF.

Also fix Zoness
Zero made it into just about the worst level of the game, despite being one of the better ones in 64 and Assault

>>381350829
It need to become Star Citizen
but really it should continue were Assult left of mechanics wise. Rail shooting can't carry a whole game. make the 3D dogfighting faster and deeper. Anyone play Strike Vector? like that but more forgiving.
Third person combat tightened up. give characters abilities or something.
CO-OP

>>381352114
>it need to become Star Citizen
a gigantic ripoff? already tried it

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An esports FPS

>>381352260
that was a Joke friendo

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>>381349272
SF64 is pretty much the only game in the series that's worth playing, it's just as well it be retired.

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>>381352274

>>381350829
>What does Starfox as a franchise need to become? Or at least what would make star fox cool again?
By making Nintendo realize Star Fox is their most recognizable space sci-fi property; Metroid is their Alien, Star Fox is their Star Wars. And they're letting it stagnate.

>>381352274
an "esports" RTS pretending to be a MOBA

>>381350829
I could answer your questions as best I could, maybe with a little sarcasm, but there is actually a single answer to all of your questions/inquiries; Marketability.

Hope you're ready for Breadth of The Lylat System.

>>381352789
>Metroid is Alien
Except without the atmosphere, worldbuilding, characters, or general narrative. Hell even Prime's gameplay is outdated. You can get a mediocre FPS space-scanning exploration simulator from Sean Murray.

Realistically unless Nintendo hires writers or people who know how to develop gameplay, what does Metroid as a brand actually offer? I'm not going to actually buy a game because you play as the Varia Suit or get the screw attack. It's iconic, but it's fucking nothing.

Melee HD

>>381353498
just get project M you mongo

>>381353291
>Unless the game has good gameplay, what does the game offer?
Ideally that would apply to all games, not just Metroid. A brand name is just a quick way to let people know what kind of game it's supposed to be. Making a good game is all you need.

>>381349272
Nintendo needs to unironically switch Metroid and Star Fox's genres for each other. A metroidvania Star Fox game would be pretty cool.

>>381353291
Alien didn't really have memorable characters, outisde of Ripley
All I can rememer from Alien is Mr. Jones, Ashley, and Kane,
Aliens had Newt, Vasquez, and Bishop, but apart from Vasquez there's nothing really huge about the others.

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>>381353643
starfox adventures was kind of that unless we're talking first person shooter which sounds interesting but I fully expect them to fuck it up

>>381349272
Zero DX
traditional controls
twice the content that continues where the original left off
downplayed gyrowing
dogfight multiplayer

Don't try to make a 60 dollar game out of it. Star Fox is fun for short bursts of play, like an arcade game. A playthrough should be pretty short, bu there should be alternate routes so you can keep replaying. Some routes need to be harder than others.

Either include enough routes to be worth 60 bucks or just include a few and charge like 40.

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>>381353609
Ideally, but it doesn't. I finished The Witcher 3 because of the story, fully acknowledging that after 5-ish hours there was no way the gameplay was going to improve. Do I regret it? Yes, because the story ended up being shit too, but it was there, and that was my motivation.

Haven't seen Nintendo have a good narrative, or even an engaging one, since somewhere around Majora's Mask I suppose. That's not even the issue though, because while Nintendo has unofficially pledged to be the "fun" company, the gameplay from their flagships just seems really boring.

I just don't see Prime 4's gameplay even holding a candle to other First-Person Adventure games that have been released since Prime 3, and personally it the series didn't really have much on games in the same/similar genre release before it.

>>381353793
>Ashley
I'm assuming you mean Ash. I'll agree though, Alien's characters weren't super distinctive or memorable beyond pic related (Ash), which is funny because that's all it took. Ash and his actions and twist in the story is what put Alien above the genre of Friday the 13th and Halloween.

Why can't Metroid have memorable sequences and character(s) like Ash, on top of fantastic gameplay? I'm completely convinced Nintendo and their subsidiaries just don't have the talent or creativity for it, so my reason for playing Power Suit Hallway Shooter 4 is dwindling, because Christ knows I'm not playing it to watch more incoherent holograms of the Chozo.

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Guys

Starfox. Meets. Titanfall.

What I mean by that is give Fox and his crew wall-running and jetpacks, since they are animals and supposed to be nimble, and give them mechs that aren't simply transformed chicken arwings, but instead are more like Zoids.

>>381355281
So what does Star Fox bring to this equation?

>>381352789
And Pikmin is their Star Trek.

>>381349272
>metroid X starfox game
>for some reason they fight each other
>become friends later
>story mode has ground and spaceship missions
>spaceships not on rails
>online has ground battles and spaceship battles
>Krystal

Why not?

>>381355608
same thing it brought to dinosaur planet.

Star Fox Assault multiplayer with online

>>381355608

Fast. Quadruped animal mechs would run at blazing speeds through forests and over plains

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>>381356296
>tfw

>>381356508
That has nothing to do with Star Fox, though. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the concept. Sounds neat.

Rerelease Zero with no motion controls or second screen shit for the Switch. Also double the amount of levels

>>381351202
>starfox as a franchise was born from a tech demo
It's a little more involved than that. Star Fox has always been one of Nintendo's best series at pushing their technology forward. We had 3D graphics on the fucking SNES, SF64 had rumble feedback, and even Adventures had some pretty damn impressive fur renders for its time (and still hold up, surprisingly).

The next Star Fox needs to push boundaries again, and not just rehash the same gimmicks like what was attempted with Zero. If BotW can be an amazing foray into open-world gaming, then the next SF needs to perfect what failed projects like No Man's Sky attempted. I want to see Star Fox become mercenaries again, allowing you to fully explore Lylat (and beyond) both in the air and on-foot. Oh, and some decent multiplayer would be tits as well.

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>>381357859
>If BotW can be an amazing foray into open-world gaming

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>>381349272
They had the right idea by making Zero like Starfox 64. Unfortunately they bogged it down with shitty, slow robot sections and gave it one of the worst control options of all gaming history.

Fuck Nintendo for only un-shelving series so they can fuck them up with gimmicks.

Just make a new game like 64 with better graphics and without extra bullshit like remote robots, gimmick controls or walking/out of ship segments.

Would anyone like a Star Fox game that borrows gameplay aspects from Panzer Dragoon Saga or Ace Combat with large explorable xenoblade x style maps?

>>381359485
Absolutely. Star Fox feels constrained by being an on-rails game, not just in terms of gameplay but in the mentality behind the design process. The biggest thing that could benefit the series is by simply expanding out and thinking bigger. They can still have linear maps in the form of canyon runs or flying through a space station but the core gameplay shouldn't be constrained.

Star Fox always felt like it could've been the Star Wars of /v/idya, but instead it just kinda fizzled out.
Like I expected a grand space opera spanning multiple games, cultivating an in-game universe, and exotic locations... and then it just kind of became not like that at all.

I kind of imagined that for LoZ too. And Metroid. Those 3 specifically always seemed destined for more than Mario, and yet ironically Mario seems to get the most "expanded universe" and variety, so to speak.

>>381349272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14-2YygnkU
Make it an 80's cartoon inspired game.

>>381360569
I was expecting Bucky

>>381359485
Starfox definitely needs an injection of Ace Combat. Maybe it's just my AC fan side talking, but man, free dogfighting and taking down huge experimental weapons without being on rails would be extremely fun.
I also fully support a flamenco OST.

>>381360729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMf2OXJcvhI
Nah. Star Fox's universe resembles the 80's space craze more. Bucky's too cartoony.

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>>381352114
Seriously tho, Strike Vector with Star Fox characters. Its a match made in heaven

>>381349272
Melee 2

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>>381351009
Make it a gay drama.

Ship combat focusing on unique boss battles/ dog fights with Star Wolf and Ratchet & Clank-esque action adventure sections with some light puzzle solving.

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>>381349272
Make it a Toe Hoe.

>>381349272
can't be saved

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>>381349626
Legend of krystal. Look it up.

>>381365682
A good Krystal game

>>381349272
City builder

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>>381349272
Give the people what they want and make a furry Mass Effect.

Revive the banter that's been dead for far too long
>Assault has Falco and Slippy start shit-talking you for being slow taking out the generators in Fichina
>Krystal nags them to stop

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>>381349272
Honestly? Not be afraid that casuals won't be seeing every stage in the game. Coming back to Lylat Wars and actually being competent enough to make it to Aquas was one of my defining childhood moments. Up until that the game was pretty much Corneria, Sector Y, Titania, Sol, Macbeth, Bolse and fake Andross.

>>381367130
For me it was Corneria Meteo Fichina, Sector X Titania Death.

I could do Katina Solar fine, if my older brother saved Falco in Corneria for me, then wold die to Mechbeth's kite boss

>>381366323
Wolf's route should be the hardest, you have to best him in all sorts of challenges he keeps throwing at you, culminating in the most difficult challenge in all video game history: topping him in bed.

>>381349272

Star Fox 64, but with a deeper story line interconnected and driving the flying missions.

Also, on the Sun planet have it so a new enemy transformed the entire thing in to a massive frozen planet, and the player has to barrel roll often to prevent the ship from freezing and crashing in to the surface.