This was the best expansion pack ever released

It had more bad than good so no

>Getting your first gold
>Your first helm then shoulders
>Getting your first long cape
>Finally getting your mount
>Going back to kill that low level elite Mor'ladim that ganked you
>''Darkshire is under attack''
>Run to kill that filthy horde rogue kiling the quest givers and being the saviour of the town
>Everyone thanks you for your service to the alliance

When did it all go so wrong?

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I agree. TBC was spectacular.

Ulduar and ICC were great time.

>Naxx, Maly, that one with all the dragons and you can hard mode/speed run it
Not a great selection of raids pre-Ulduar
>Argent Tournament, the raid and the whole dailies
Awful

Heroics were undertuned as fuck. BC was a better expansion

>>381344765
It had the potential to be, because it was the start of your character actually getting recognition for their past deeds and the buildup to one of the biggest and most well-known threats in Warcraft (Arthas). Unfortunately, the execution was garbage because it began many of the most cancerous elements that persist in WoW to this day (casualization of dungeons, shoving everyone into a single tiny "neutral" city, LFG and cross realm shit, etc).

>>381345104
>>381345280
no Lich king had the best atmosphere and lore.

>>381344765
This isn't Velious so it's objectively wrong.

>>381345356
>shoving everyone into a single tiny "neutral" city
Shattrath was the first one though even if it had two factions you could choose from instead of horde and alliance sections, which I quite liked

TBC was shit, WotLK was alright, haven't played any expansion after until Legion. Quit Legion and WoW altogether.

I haven't played MoP, but just leveling through the zones seems awesome. They're beautiful, quests and lore are much better intertwined, atmosphere is great. Kinda sad I didn't play it when it was current.

>>381344765
TBC was far better. The only thing it did worse from a gameplay perspective was introduce arenas and PVP gear.
Outside that
>Welfare loot was both sparse and not on par with the high end raids
>Flying mounts had specific and interesting areas to go
>no vast areas with fuck all in them
>Heroics were designed to build people up to raids, not to be mindlessly zerged through
>Attunements were hard enough to make sure people were good enough, or knew people good enough, but not the annoying grind Vanilla had
>Central City still had ways to segregate the players
>Dungeon finder being an Ad board was the best it ever was
>factions that actually meant something
>dailies restricted to 10 a day, to both give opportunity cost to dailies and so people didn't think of WoW as a job

The problem was that all the good things it did were taken up to 11 to eventually cause the casualclysm

>>381346326
Ulduar had the hard modes literally everyone loved then ToC brought the difficulty settings that eventually were used as the base for LFR.
I seriously think LFR killed WoW, everything was better before it.

>>381346485
>Ulduar had the hard modes literally everyone loved
Have they ever explained why they didn't do hard modes like that again? I loved them.

>>381344765

>release night
>finally manage to log in after installing
>get on boat (zeppelin)
>loading screen
>sail into new area
>dat music

Shit that was so good

Some of the new mechanics were shit like the vehicle addition to dungeons and pvp but most everything else was fucking excellent.

>>381346568
Because they introduced ToC, I dont think you could easily implement hard modes into the LFR system.

That's not Burning Crusade OP. Your expansion is the dusk of the golden age, not dawn.

>>381346571
The music imo was best in the expansions. Favorites are probably the Viking regions. Love the green mountain

Yeah man I agree.

>dat rehashed dumbed down tier 7
>dat broken pvp experience for the first two seasons
>RDF
>ToC
>ICC for a year

Absolutely god like. If you disagree you clearly have taste.

>>381346781
My favorite is Uelmen's BC (basically Diablo) soundtrack. It really creates the perfect ambience.

>>381346830
>pvp
>in an rpg game
I never understood the "1 guy will win because he has better gear" PVP, can it even be called pvp when its not competitive?

tbc and wotlk were okay. everything else just sucked ass.

>>381345473
So are you just conveniently forgetting the retarded rehashing of Naxx, or the bullshit of the Argent Tournament? Or what they did to Anub'arak? Or Arthas cutting out his heart, severing the last of his former life, and then suddenly reverting back to old Arthas on death? Or Malygos going insane because no fucking reason? Or Muradin being alive with amnesia? Or humans being a crippled, old-god-mutated Vrykul?

Wrath was fucking garbage dude.

>>381345821
Pandaria was GOAT. Anyone who hates it because "muh Kung Fu Panda" is retarded and didn't actually play it.

>>381347227
Malygos didn't actually go insane, rather he became sane once again. He'd been insane since the War of the Ancients, but when introduced to a couple of Netherdrakes from Outland for whatever reason it repaired his mind.

After that he did he saw everyone was using magic and got pissed because magic is his domain.

>>381345092
WotLK, respectively.

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>>>381347469
Source?

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I miss the last WoW lewdpost thread.

>>381347009
>"1 guy will win because he has better gear" PVP
Eh, it's not really that. Gear is a fraction of being a good PvPer, there's also team composition, race, class, counters, execution of mechanics and whatever else.

>>381347931
Remember when all top pvpers had to be in a guild that boosted them to that hc boss that drops that mandatory trinket?

>>381347692
Blizzard themselves. That's basically word for word what they said at the Blizzcon lore panel during Wrath.

>>381347692
flube

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>>381347009
>can it even be called pvp when its not competitive?

has it really gotten this bad?

BC was so fucking godtier.
>hell fire peninsula
>zangarmarsh
>shadowmoon valley/netherdrake dailies
>netherstorm's combination of space and lush forests
>karazhan
>SSC
>TK
>hyjal
>BT
>sunwell

holy FUCK i loved like 95% of BC. magister's terrace is probably my favorite 5man in the game (i quit in wrath)

>can change specs on a dime
>gear changes with spec
>no PvP gear
>give best weapon in game right at the start
>you're stuck with it entire game because you have to upgrade it
>PvP is it's own talent tree irrelevant of spec
>stats are worthless, everything just scales off of Item Level now.

>>381344765
No, but it was good.

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>>381348330
>heroic shattered halls

>>381348624
Ramparts was harder than Shattered Halls on Heroic. Shattered Halls was pretty easy.

T. Warrior Tank

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>Most comfy zone

i want to go back

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https://youtu.be/BQ0DbPCqboM

AND HE HAS MY MOTHERFUCKING GLOVES TOO! ...THAT FUCKER!

>>381346568
It's a lot harder and longer to design and implement analog hard modes with triggers and gradients of difficulty than it is to make a UI switch that just adds 25% to the bosses's health and turns on more more mechanic.

>>381347698
post the link you dumb nigger

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>>381347698
>mfw looking up the version of this pic without the tabard/loincloth
Could really go for a WoW lewdpost thread though.

>>381345473
>best atmosphere
Yeah if you are fine with retconning what Northrend looks like.
>best lore
Grizzly Hills and "THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A LICH KING" suggest otherwise.

>log in BC
>no ad for the cash shop pops up
>no daily login reward
>just in the world playing as my character
>log in to any modern MMO
>half of the buttons on the taskbar are for cash shops, daily login rewards, etc.

What happened to immersion in MMOs

>>381347470
>respectively.
that is not how that word is used

>>381349109
yup damn comfy
even today I still look back to the themes of some of the zones and something deep down
feels

>>381349991
It had some fantastic Gnomes, made me want to roll a Gnome. Only reason I didn't was because I'd have to make yet another Femgnome, and I'm autistic about having some balance with genders.

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>>381348624
>Heroic Shadow Lab
>those pulls
>that asshole Boss that MCs you and burns all your CDs

>watered down heroics
>Naxx, cleared in two raid nights in questing gear
>Six months of Naxx and two stupid dragons
>two(?) months of Ulduar, a joke you could clear in two weeks aside from a couple of hard modes
>Trial of the Crusader

No, its not.

The only hard Heroics were Hellfire Ramparts, Magisters' Terrace, and one of the Arcatraz ones that wasn't Botanica, 'cause Botanica was eziest, and I had to farm it for those boots that were pretty black and looked good with a bunch of my RP sets, but I could never get to drop.

>>381350903
On release, pretty much all of Auchindoun was hard as balls, m8. The pulls were an absolute nightmare and the bosses were vicious

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Always loved making smily faces when pulling large packs of mobs while boosting people

:c___

>>381350676
>Heroic anything without T2.5 /T3 at the start of the expansion

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*blocks your raid progression*

>>381351183
>WAHH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PULL THINGS RIGHT AND CAN'T LEARN FROM TRIAL AND ERROR
>I NEED A FULL CC TEAM BECAUSE I'M SUCH A BIG BABY THAT CAN'T OPERATE OTHERWISE
>PLZ WAIT UNTIL I'VE STACKED SUNDER EXACTLY 5 TIMES BEFORE STARTING TO DPS OR I WILL NOT TAUNT OFF OF YOU

>>381351541
Ah, you're just shitposting.
Carry on then.

>>381348330
I disliked everything but Nagrand during TBC, but I have tons and tons of nostalgia going through those zones on private servers and the like, and remember all these events, so now I kind of like them all for different reasons.

I have far less memories from zones Wrath and on because of how little time is spent in them, with next to no reason to ever return.

>>381349109
>3 am
>9th grade
>make it to Westfall for the first time as a level 14 dwarf hunter
>running around exploring
>dad yells at me to go to bed because he hears the pop of a can opening

My main Westfall memory

>>381352993
>10 pm
>8th grade
>make it to Auberdine for the first time as a level 20 warrior
>running around exploring
>hear a can popping
>sneak quietly to bed

me too, anon. Me too.

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>>381352993
>Roaming through Mulgore because wide open spaces
>Kill mobs that ganked you early on while leveling
>Buzzards and the ogres
>Think to yourself to go explore the mine and eventually reach the top and find an engineering trainer
>Think you've found a secret no one else knows

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>>381344765
ICY TOUCH

>>381353254
>tell guild this
>they're a bunch of dumb youngsters too
>get excited over something that probably won't ever help them in any way but it's still neat

>>381347380
Siege of Orgrimmar for over a year.

When will Blizzard give me a Panda wife?

I feel like Vanilla had the best design philosophy, at least early to mid Vanilla. It wasn't necessarily the best game, but it had a great philosophy. They didn't just want to make a straight-up theme park, it felt like the wanted to make (at least in parts) an actual WORLD of Warcraft, where you had little huts or NPCs in the middle of nowhere, a single quest at the arse-end of the world for no reason, weird drops or quest rewards... the class quests they started to implement were class fantasy done right, a crying shame they never finished and did more with them. Doing the quests to get my forms as a druid made me feel more like a druid than Legion ever did. Let alone the quests for professions, I'll never forget the enmity between Gnome and Goblin engineers even though the profession was complete shit either way.
Late Vanilla and BC started to move away from that and it was completely dead by WotLK.

>>381353370

So much this.


Fuck I do miss the good old days of WoW. About a week ago I actually considered logging in to see if I could rekindle that feeling. By the time I found my authentication thingie the feeling had passed.

It's coming back. I miss those BC days.

>>381353679
>I feel like Vanilla had the best design philosophy
It's because they had literal Everquest spergs on the team

>>381345092
>service to the alliance
literally a fucking child

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>Wandering in the barrens as a Tauren
>Having to go to the Crossroads and eventually Orgrimmar
>It's a literal run of death as you try avoid the roaming alliance elites, raptors, centaur and hyenas
>Getting to Crossroads and feeling safety at last only to be ruined to see the Alliance killing everything
>Eventually they get crushed and the Horde makes a group and invites (YOU) to attack Astraanar
>After the epic fights you realize this game was for you and you return with pride having fought for your honor and Horde.
>Make friends in the raid, do quests together and eventually raid

>>381353851
>Barrens
Comfy thread?

inb4 some vanillaFag get triggered.

>>381353254
>Roaming Mulgore
>Suddenly AEEUUUUUUUUUUUCHGH
>A pink strider completely wrecks my shit
>By the time I'm back at my corpse he's gone
>Level up a few times and spend five hours hunting for him a few days later

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>ITT

>>381353962
>Complete noob
>Trying to quest just outside Crossroads
>Suddenly, striders and zevras start keeling over with no indication as to why
>Get scared as fuck and start running back to town
>Mobs keep dying all round me
>Manage to get back to town and feel like I barely survived

Days later I read that GMs could turn invisible and I figured it was just a bored GM messing with me. Either that, or two well coordinated higher level rogues, because the mobs kept dying both in front and behind me.

>>381354727
The Ashbringer...

>>381354727
Yet somehow retail nu modern WoW is worse than buggy piece of shit everquest clone.
Really activates my almonds.

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>Leveling in Dun Morogh, You can feel the chill in the cold air as you level
>That comfy music
>Finally getting to Kharanos and feeling as if your character was heating up by the fire inside
>You gather your quests to head to Ironforge
>Seeing that massive gate, everyone is dueling and talking outside
>Take that first step, you notice the statue
Then the horns hit you as you continue inside [/spoiler

>>381354727
>No LFG tools or BOA gear
The fact that this is listed as a bad thing shows all you need to know about whoever made the image
>Maps no longer track anything
Try reading the fucking quest. If not, try mods
>REEEEEEEEE, I HAVE TO PUT WORK IN

All in all, I'm glad this person clearly never played when WoW was good

>>381355901

I'm guessing you only play vanilla minecraft, vanilla KSP, and vanilla ice cream.

>>381356131
I bet you eat vanilla icecream with sprinkles, chocolate sauce, walnuts, reese's pieces, yogurt, waffle bits, pickles, mustard, cookie dough, and BBQ sauce as toppings

Why can't they do heroics like BC again? Tuned very well so that you actually need a coordinated 5 man or actually geared from normal dungeons/level 70 quests to do them.

>>381356970
They do they are called Mythics.
I don't even like retail nu WoW and know this.

Vanilla, BC and Wrath were all really awesome. Cata is when it all went to shit when they decided to nuke fucking everything, they ruined so many comfy places and the "revamp" fucked up all the established lore and stuff. It stopped being a world at that point, honestly, because everything was redesigned to streamline the experience instead of giving the user the freedom to explore and take risk.

Easy example, old barrens had alot of dangerous places with seemingly randomly placed dangerous mobs, there was risk in travelling in the barrens and if you weren't careful you'd end up dying or lost. Now there's a big canyon down the middle that prevents you from going anywhere you're not "supposed to" be in terms of story/level.

Cata ruined the old world and gave us a bunch of hamfisted bullshit with retarded meme characters and the shittiest sendoff raid they've ever done.

>>381356131
>>381356235
FOOD
ANALOGIES

>>381345473
Someone did not play the burning crusade.

>>381353843
Dwarves are objectively the best race and Orgrimmar was always shit

>>381345473
You are right, and ulduar was a good raid gameplay wise
Rest was meh

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>>381358154
>Dwarves
I think you mean Trolls.

>>381356970
>>381357293
Heroics were only difficult at the start of every expansion. After the first patch, heroics become trivial farming content.

BC is perhaps the exception because of how gear and instance progression worked. Even then, come Sunwell patch, heroics were obsolete.

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In terms of gameplay it was solid but its still my most hated expansion
>Snow fucking everywhere
>80% of northrend are just undeads and other 20% are nerubians with token troll zone
>Shitty terrain that was hard to navigate in
>Any dragon related quests and lore (literally the most boring shit ever that repeats itself every expac)
I have to admit that old dalaran and crystalsong forest were great

>>381357293
Mythics are nothing like old heroics.
Using communication and actually having to use CC spells is a thing of the past.

>>381358874
>Snow fucking everywhere
I have the exact opposite view. Northrend is described as a frozen wasteland, and yet you have zones like Sholozar Basin and Grizzly Hills sticking out like a sore thumb.

I wish Icecrown had been downplayed and was the most barren zone. The giant metal structures and the revamped Frozen Throne were really off putting.

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>>381349109
Nope

>>381354727
>night mode is pitch black unless carrying a torch that must be re-lit at an inn every 60 minutes
sounds pretty cool actually

Expansions were a mistake
>giving nigger hordies paladins, removing any incentive besides ERP to play on the alliance
>all balance is thrown out the window
>flying mounts

>>381359546
>giving nigger hordies paladins, removing any incentive besides ERP to play on the alliance
What are racials, race specific class abilities and aesthetics?

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>>381357549
Classic: Learning to ride the horse with friends
TBC: More adventures with your friends but on a motorbike
Wrath: That bike now has stabilizers
Cata: Fuck your sta- No wait, here's two more
Mists(despite the lolPandas) if had great content and was a break from doom and gloom: Take a walk every now and again
WoD: Your legs are broken, your friends left long ago, fuck you
Legion: Enjoying the mechanical horse simulator?

>>381359343
Scholazar basin looks like any town in february when all the snow starts melting and everything looks like shit

>>381358871
Magistrate Terrace pre-nerf was pretty damn hard for a pug.

>>381359693
It was a tropical jungle surrounded by snow covered mountains. It had no earthly business existing on a frozen wasteland continent.

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>>381358871
>Grim Batol HC with pugs

>>381359758
I wasn't really counting Magisters, I can remember that being a pain in the ass because if suffered from the same problem as Shadow Labs aka overpulling enemies.

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>mfw enemies have OP buffs you can steal
>the tank's face when enemies have OP buffs you can steal

Everything up to Ulduar was really great but everything afterwards wasnt too good. I had fun with ICC but the ICC patch killed the game.

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>>381359674
>alliance racials in tbc
tbc private servers have to offer perks of rolling alliance or the distribution will almost always be >65% horde

>>381360067
Raiding up to Ulduar was pretty dull, desu.
Naxx was a shadow of itself, even if some things were still fairly decent, Sanctum was a faceroll farm, and the PVP raid was criminally easy.
Only Malygos' fight was entertaining throughout.

Though I suppose the heroics were fairly entertaining before everyone got absurdly overgeared.

>>381358871
>Heroics were only difficult at the start of every expansion.
>at the start of every expansion.

I zerged and aoe'd down every single Wrath heroic ten days into the expansion. We got the bronze drake from Stratholme on our first attempt.

>>381360394
>Only Malygos' fight was entertaining throughout.
Vehicle based PVE encounters are never fun. At least eye of eternity wasn't the Oculus.
>>381360283
Oh yeah I'm not denying TBC was the expansion for the Horde. I think that maybe why Draenei's appearance was retconned, otherwise it would be 80% Horde.

>>381344765
WotLK killed PuGs. It felt pretty sad to come back from a half-year hiatus and end up talking to brick walls in every party I entered.

Death Knight design was ugly, didn't fit in with the rest of the classes that started at 1 and contributed greatly to the patched-on inconsistent shitpile this game has become.

WotLK brought the achievement and micro-transaction memes into the game.

The problem with WoW is that Blizzard are completely incompetent. They removed everything that ever worked in the game and kept everything that ruined it.

Warcraft ended here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcr594QVzkc
Everything else is no canon and irrelevant.

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>>381361253
>reach the end of ICC
>teleported to the top

>welfare epics
>lfd
>faction transfer

it's where the game started going downhill

>>381361253
>>381361410
>the only time you see the frozen path is in the main hallway, and its never obvious unless you decide to look up

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Wrath > TBC > Vanilla > Legion > MoP > Cataclysm > WoD

I actually don't think WoW is in the worst shape right now, unliek many haters. If only they could stop smoking the crack pipe and get rid of some of this pointless progression (AP) and rng nonsense, and put a real effort into cultivating a community again, WoW would go back to being near top form easily.

And I don't mean removing LFR. I just mean something needs to be done about the servers and policing them. Get rid of the erp nonsense plaguing the RP servers. Merge more servers and be more sensitive to population imbalances, the works.

People shit on Wrath and some of is deserved but it was the first time in the game where every class was viable to play and wasnt railroded into a single purpose and classes felt so much more smooth to play

TBC > Vanilla > Wrath > MOP > trash

MoP barely gets included, it was borderline trash, but it was better than Cata.

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>>381361625

this i think is the case. They're on to a good thing with some aspects but others just have to fucking go immediatly.

>>381348330
Agree 100%. Shattrath was also a fantastic hub, central and shared by both factions along with the scryer/aldor factions.

>>381361625
ERP is such a small blight on WoW it doesn't need to addressed in the way you are addressing. You are right though, the game has too far gone to do anything about it, although I do also agree that Legion isn't the worst, but it's certainty not good. It's small bits of content presented in such a way that it feels bigger than it is. Look at gear scaling for example. Each difficulty (of which you have 4 now) has three variants, which is totally down to RNG, so you can either be extremely lucky and get the best in slot variant on your first run, or it could take you 100 runs.

Personally for me it's
TBC > Vanilla > Wrath > Cataclysm > Mists > Legion > Warlords
Although my negative opinion on Mists is slightly bias because of what they did to my main class.

>>381361625
>get rid of ERP nonsense
Three people I know only play WoW because of ERPing

>>381358958
Yeah you're right. Last week on my BrM I was just pugging through my +12 MoS, with no comms whatsoever. Certainly not a clusterfuck difficult situation that required VOIP and a preemptive plan. I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about. My sweep kick wasn't on CD for the entire dungeon, same with Spear Hand, Stasis, and my Racial, on top of having a food buff up. I was just pretending to need a DK to grip the pack in the middle of the boat so that we could split it without pulling the dogs that would wipe us. You fucking retard.

Wrath>TBC>Mists>Vanilla>everything else is somehow worse than a buggy casual everyquest clone that didn't work until 3-6 months after launch with LFR tier raid bosses.

>>381344765
>WoW
Fucking cancer in the video game world if you ask me.
Maybe worst than furfaggotry.
Oh wait... it has furfaggotry

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>ywn play WoW with your IRL friends again
>Ywn play CODMW2 with your IRL friends again

This thread is making my sad

>>381363452
We played Counter-Strike Source and WoW, but then again we weren't complete faggots.

>>381361814
It was the best expac where classes and specs still felt unique but you could still play any spec if you were good. Cata and onwards went way overboard on homogenizing the classes and making them fell all the same in terms of gameplay and design.

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>>381363514
We used to play source too :'(

>had the opportunity to get into WoW when TBC came out but got grounded after two weeks and had no motivation to play once I could use the computer again
>tried playing it a couple of times since then but it's already too fucking late
>all those fantasies about sitting up late at night in TeamSpeak, exploring Azeroth and doing comfy things will literally never come to fruition
>exact same story more or less with every other MMO I've considered trying
I will never, ever get to experience comfy MMO feels. I want to fucking die. I missed out.

>>381347469
>After that he did he saw everyone was using magic and got pissed because magic is his domain.
Close, he was mad at the reckless use of magic that was fucking everything up while he was in crazytown.
>demon summoning
>necromancy
>blowing up the well of eternity
>attracting the attention of the legion in the first place
I feel Blizz should've expanded on Malygos since he had the most legit reason of anyone "corrupted" into becoming a loot pinata

>>381355901
What do you expect, it's bait

>you'll never have the discovery of an old MMO again thanks to dataminers and online sims and conglomerations of game secrets

>>381363162

Then you're fucking garbage, a +12 you can sleep through nowadays. Get the fuck out of LFG because I bet you're the guy who has 900 ilvl and thinks he's hot shit parsing 40th

>>381364578
This is a problem with all games. I think the last big hidden secret we had was with Arkham Asylum and the hidden room which had all the sequel information in it.

>>381364578

The opposite is truly fucking annoying. BDO, where in game mechanics are fucking hidden and people have to guess at RNG is bullshit. Vanilla wow struck a happy medium, as did a lot of early 2k MMOs.

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I miss being a rogue :(

Wrath > Cata > MoP > Legion(so far) > WoD > BC

Not gonna rank Vanilla because it was an entirely different experience. Also, Cata was shit from a world perspective, but the dungeons were fantastic, and the gameplay was at it's peak.

>>381353851
I raided crossroads once a week with my guild, I was really bad at the game though. They pretty much brought me along for the dumb kid chat dialogue. I became buddies with a hunter who was around the same level as me, about 22ish. By the time I was level 25 he was already in the 50s, but he still loved to come along for the crossroads raids. He enjoyed teasing me with his 40 mount and would kite the marsh crocs into my path to scare the shit out of me.

I ended up quitting that character but came back many years later to discover I was so dumb that I never spent a single talent point and all of my gear was the white stuff you can buy from vendors. Level 33 warrior.

>>381365536
>Cata second
>TBC last
You better fucking explain yourself.

>>381365536

>Cata anywhere but next to WoD at the bottom
Leave

>>381344765
Agree. It has been a slow downhill trajectory from there.

Legion has been..... ok but doing the same world quests for the 50th time makes me pine for fucking dailies.

##381365536
>BC anywhere but at the top

No (you) for (you)

>>381365617
>warrior with white gear

jesus dude how did you do it

>>381365536
>WoD is better than The Burning Fucking Crusade
Did you only play on Warmane or something? How the FUCK is this even possible?

>>381364583
lmao a +12 as of last week is equivalent to a +17 kiddo, they bumped up all the damage values. go ahead and sleep through a +17 with last weeks affixes

>>381346568
Those hard mode triggers were great. Except that one hunter giving in to curiosity and hitting the damn red button on mimiron.

>>381366024

>waaaaa 5 stacks we're dead waaaaaa

Sure will shitter

>>381344765
It was the best just because of Ulduar and the continuation of the lich king story.

I unironically and vehemently, beyond a shadow of a doubt hold firm that TBC was the worst expansion except for cata.

>>381365536
i never knew such trash taste was possible

>>381366112
you shittalked my meters and said I was in LFG for my reddit+, even though I opened with the fact that I was tanking. You seem like a guy who knows a lot, and plays a ton of WeW. xD

>Faceroll Heroics
>ez mode 10 man man raids
>Worst balanced PVP ever
>Welfare loot
>Lagaran was too small for both factions
>Rehashed Tier 7
>No Azjol'Nerub Zone
>Added 2 shit tier battlegrounds
>TOC

Yeah the music was good & so was Ulduar, but that was about it

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>>381360283
Gummie is going to fucking blow, the only thing he plans to implement at the moment is faction based queues.

>>381366362
>>Rehashed Tier 7
>rehashed tier 7 that you could completely clear in your first week of raiding

>>381366362
It might have been rehashed but only 1% of people cleared Naxx when it was relevant and i doubt that you were one if them. The real rehash was Onyxia.

>>381365536
TBC > Cata pre nerf > MoP > Legion > Cata post nerf > WoD
Vanilla left out from the rankings because it'd be unfair for the expansions.
This is the only acceptable list.

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>>381366305

Lmao you think tanks aren't supposed to do damage
>i have aggro thats my job
>towiliee sub btw

Levelling up in Wrath didn't feel anywhere near as boring and tedious as TBC and it actually felt like a Warcraft game, Ulduar is the GOAT raid too
Everything after Ulduar though is when it all went downhill, especially when they introduced the dungeon finder

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>>381345092
>First helm THEN shoulders

Impostor oldfag, you always got your shoulders first then helm second.

>there are people in this thread that believe tbc was a good expansion
>bullshit difficulty heroics that said fuck you if you weren't the right class
>mistaking having to polymorph sap etc. for difficulty
>blizzard not knowing how to tune bosses yet
>the beginning of welfare gear
>arms/resto in arena
>arena in general
>zero reason to visit any zones post-70
>the beginning of daily quests
>lets make all of old world irrelevant
>half the raids have zero mechanics and were riddled with bugs

>>381366575
Oh shit I forgot wrath. It should be between TBC and pre nerf cata.

>>381366604
>actively caring about your tanks meter position
>also being so fucking dumb to think that a fucking BrM is gonna do low dmg, especially with their braindead dmg rotation.
fuckin got em. You're really showing me how much you know about WeW, thank you for improving my game play.

>>381366790
>TBC was boring and tedious

Dude Hellfire Pen was amazing. Then you just do dungeons until you can start Nagrand, and it's EZ mode questing there until you're ready for Shadowmoon or Netherwhatever, I prefer Shadowmoon.

>people getting nostalgic over fucking Hellfire Peninsula
Are you high? Do you not know how goddamn nightmarish it was trying to level there post-launch? Not to mention it was ugly as sin.

>>381366948
>amazing
>half the quests were bullshit "kill 10 of these orcs"

>>381366808
wasnt the earliest shoulders you could get in the alliance areas somewhere. I think they were white neutral shoulders.

>>381366923
have fun clearing tos 9 months after it's relevant, ESPECIALLY when you think BrM does damage by default

>>381367065
The earliest shoulders I always remember were the pooey brown furry ones you could get at level 16 or whatever, all the rogues had them

I remember when dungeonfinder arrived, I thought it was a neat tool to get groups faster. Little did I know it would destroy any social contact with anyone outside of my guild.

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>>381344765
>not TBC

Kill yourself.

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>wrathbabbies

Ulduar was the peak of raiding

>>381367168
>mistaking yelling in /2 for 2 hours to get a group together only to wipe at the first pull and half of them leave for social contact

>>381348330
BC was fucking boring visually.
>Oh here's blasted lands - in space
>Here's spiky blasted lands - in space
>Here's purple Tanaris with eco globes - in space
>Here's darker blasted lands with a green volcano (also in space)
Zangarmarsh, Terokkar Forest and Nagrand were the only enjoyable zones, and half of terokkar was blown up because Auchindoun.

>>381348829
True, Ramparts had so many mobs that could accidentally be pulled. Remember trying to cut corners over between bosses and the hunter/warlock's pet pulled the guys on the side along with the pat in the middle?

>>381367330
This

>>381367103
okay, you're clearly not getting this
i'll put this in the easiest

way

for

you

to

understand
(you)

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>begin dungeon as healer
>tank: "brb smoke"

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>>381367306
>feeling superior over video games

>>381367324
To avoid that you made friends with good players, eventually you would rarely run with randoms. The dungeonfinder made all of that obsolete as nobody bother grouping up without it anymore. I lost contact with 90% of my friends, some I've had since as far back as vanilla, within 2 months of that cursed thing being added. I stayed until Ulduar and quit after, the game became lifeless outside of my guild.

>>381354727
>blizzard making fun of it's fans for a legit yearn
what a bunch of assholes

>>381367204
Hyjal?

>>381367204
>No Silithus

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>>381367707
Bingo

>>381367204
no Uldum :^)

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>>381367707
Silithus was a mistake.

>>381367330
I mean if we are going to bitch we might as well do that for every expansion.
Wrath
>here is Winterspring mixed with the Plaguelands
Cataclysm
>it's zones you love with unexplainable natural disasters thrown onto it
Mists
>It's China, only the pollution is old god blood rather than excessive industrial output
Warlords
>It's Outlands but not in space. Also Orcs.
Legion
>it's Northrend with demons rather than undead.

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>>381367817
>Tidus Stair
Come again?


Come again?

One of my earliest memories of WoW was back in early classic, I had made a dwarf and I was just walking around Dun Morogh. I found a night elf dude sitting by a frozen lake and we just sat there chatting with each other, I remember asking him how to talk in general chat and he didn't know either. Funny stuff to think back on.

>>381361625
>and put a real effort into cultivating a community again, WoW would go back to being near top form easily.
This guy gets it. Vanilla and TBC were great because it felt like an actual world, with people exploring and interacting, not seeing everything as a conveyer belt

What you'd need to do to fix WoW is have a radically new expansion with almost all the anti socialising features removed.
that way, you'd have the old sense of exploration and community that WoW classic and TBC had, with the people that killed it gone or forced to adapt.

>>381367919
>here is Winterspring mixed with the Plaguelands
>Sholazar Basin
>Storm Peaks
>Grizzly Hills
>Zul'Drak
>Howling Fjord
Even Dragonblight

>never got to play wow when i was a kid
>now it's too late
why the FUCK won't they ever do "reset" times? where they'll start at vanilla and then go through the expansion packs again. I'd definitely do that

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A small piece of land in the barrens near Ratchet.
That hut with the large shark and Tauren.
>Comes from the rpg books that are now non-canon

>>381368207
More likely to happen if they make a new MMO than it is with WoW

>>381344765
F

>What you'd need to do to fix WoW is have a radically new expansion with almost all the anti socialising features removed.
that way, you'd have the old sense of exploration and community that WoW classic and TBC had, with the people that killed it gone or forced to adapt.
>fix WoW

are you retarded. that would do nothing except kill WoW

>when /v/ believes they know what's best for games

>>381344765
And yet it was worse than TBC, Cata and MoP

>>381367462
Where do you think you are?

>>381347698
i want to fug that troll

>>381368341
There's a server that wants to do that (crestfall?),but it's not yet released.
There's also primal-wow but they did it in a very weird way and they also have low population

>youll never that elwynn forest theme for the first time again
>youll never hear all those little soundbytes like HUH, the sound of looting gold, kings honor friend, KEEP YER FEET ON THE GROOND
>you'll never step into duskwood and see skull mobs and realise how big and dangerous the world is
>youll never message a random dude and ask him how to talk in general chat again
>you'll never hit level 10 and spend half an hour looking at all the talent choices in amazement again
>youll never need a blue in deadmines that you thought you could use on another character because you didnt know what BoP was again
>youll never see mr smite for the first time again
>youll never run from darnassus to ironforge for the first time ever again
>youll never go to stv and tanaris for the first time ever again
>youll never hit 60 and message all your buddies and meet up and celebrate again
>youll never innocently enjoy a video game and wonder at all the little things again
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

>>381368245
Eeesh fine if you are going to be that autistic.
Sholazar Basin
>it's Ungoro with zombies in it
Storm Peaks
>It's Gnomeregan.
Grizzly Hills
>It's Silverpine Forest
Howling Fjord
>it's Silverpine Forest with vikings
Zul'drak
>it's the dwarf starter zone with extra troll structures

>>381368887
blizzard would make a fucking shitload of money if they made it official though

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>>381368890

>>381366835
>bullshit difficulty heroics that said fuck you if you weren't the right class
You were clearly just shit.
I played through TBC heroics with every class just fine.
If you meant spec, then you're a retard anyway
>mistaking having to polymorph sap etc. for difficulty
Managing Adds has always been part of dungeon tactics, you spastic
>blizzard not knowing how to tune bosses yet
Too casual for Maggy? Poor baby
>the beginning of welfare gear
You could only get around 4 bits of welfare gear for each class by the end of the expansion.
>arms/resto in arena
>arena in general
I'll give you that one
>zero reason to visit any zones post-70
Motes, gathering and dailies say differently
>the beginning of daily quests
Beats the Vanilla grinding you had to do if you were raiding.
>lets make all of old world irrelevant
was going to happen no matter what
>half the raids have zero mechanics and were riddled with bugs
Are you just flat out ignoring shit like C'thun, Living bomb suicide warlocks and the Blood plague?

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>>381368890
>celebration at 60

Mine was for 70 becuz BC baby, but still just the same.

>mfw internet friend who I visited IRL years later bought me my first mount at 40, and my first epic at 70, and she just bought me my first legendary for when I hit 110 after taking a break for a long time.

I should marry this girl.. But, she's so much older than me, and has kids.. But, he was cool, we played video when I stayed there.

>>381350903
Ramps legit pisses me off. The last boss is a pug daily breaker

>>381347009
pvp in wow was fun when it was just guys in 5 man dungeon gear running around the world killing the shit out of each other over devilsaurs and other farming spots or taking over low level townsof the oposite faction.

battlegrounds and arena ruined wow pvp, ironically.

>>381344765
None of the expansions were as good as vanilla, BC and WotLK contributed heavily to the shitheap the game is today.

>>381348365
>>no PvP gear
this is good. pvp gear is stupid.

>>381344765
I remember back in Vanilla when you had the absolute bullshit "Lag-macro" which consisted of a macro with

/sit
/stand
/sit
/stand
/sit
/stand

as long as you could go. When you mashed that shit while running your client would freeze, but your character would keep running server-side, and everyone would see you run but couldn't hit you since you actually weren't there, until you stopped mashing and you would safely return to the place you started mashing.

So many times trolled instance groups by yelling "LEEROY" while mashing into some boss. So many times it saved my ass running off a cliff while hunted by Alliance.
So many times I've run down cliffs with the Alliance flag only to pop back up on the cliff to my enemies demise.

I miss those times.

>>381369440
all my mogs are PvP gear, raiding is for pussies.

>>381369330
>battlegrounds
battlegrounds had game modes that wouldn't work in the open world unless the entire game was built for pvp which would alienate pve babies.

Every expansion made WoW a worse MMO prove me wrong you cant

>RP server
>found dirt on a GM of a belf guild
>she had degenerate futa ERP with some orc that sits in SMC all day long
>noticed this GM is RPing their character as pregnant with a male belf in their guild

what would be the best way of informing this guy, anonymously via level 1 mail or?

>>381369635
Aside from BC being on par with Vanilla, you're right.

>>381359934
I did Grim Batol HC at level 85 with pugs shortly before Legion launched. Queued up just for nostalgia's sake and it took about an hour to get a group but it was worth it.

The difficulty seemed pretty similar to what it was back in the day, I assume some of the recent fuckery with the number balancing at lower levels counteracted the nerfs to the content.

Anyway, all of the other players in the group were completely new to the game and leveling their first characters, so I had to coach them through every boss and teach them how to pull with proper CC. It took us about 2 hours to get through the whole dungeon and it was probably the most fun and rewarding experience I've had in the game in many years. At the end they all said I was a great player and added me.

>>381369686
Why not extort the GM? How did they even get pregnant if they are a futa on the side?

>>381353843
This is a meme that has been spread so hard by the Horde that the very fixation from Horde players on this should give it away as false. It was nothing but projection.

Some mmo champ pols even proved the Horde was about 6 years younger than the alliance, on average.

>>381369714
>Aside from BC being on par with Vanilla
>flying mounts
>arena
>no world/battleground pvp rewards
>awful writing
>difficulty modes

>>381369635
Nah sorry TBC and the first half of Wrath were way better
Being only able to play half the specs in the game is incredibly shitty design

>>381369880

I doubt the GM was futa, the Orc most certainly is though, she hangs around a fountain in SMC all day and has orbiters, then sneaks out around 2am with someone and does shit like this.

It's basically a female belf that's ''with child'' according to their profile, that is of another blood elf in their guild who is male. But she's been doing illicit shit behind his back obviously, they even have fucking deviantart-tier art of their characters embracing one another with her bump so yeah.

>>381368341
Its called Elysium. They are barely getting done with MC, tier two comes out in two months.

Looking back Wotlk was a mixed bag.

>New zones and quests were great. Death Knight starting zone was god tier
>Initial raids were shit.
>Ulduar is introduced and is god tier
>Trial of the Crusader is shit
>Icecrown Citadel is great but 3.3 would be the forefront for destroying communities by introducing the auto LFD system.

>>381370089
what server?

>>381344765
Wotlk did nothing wrong, the game itself could've been better than burning crusade if JEWzzard didn't decide to switch 180 degrees and pander to normies and as far as expansions go, blizz could make 20 more, none will top burning crusade and wotlk.
By the time the argent tournament patch went live blizz was already on its path to ruin the entire franchise

>>381370143
Im an alliancefag and it was basically impossible to level because i would be one shotted by level 60s every 5 minutes, i gave up at level 38
I swear it was 100x worse than i ever remember it

>Wrathbabbies actually think WotLK was better than TBC
That should be a valid reason to get you euthanized

>>381370248
>New zones and quests were great
No they really weren't. Wrath had the worst levelling content of any expansion.

>>381370295
Sounds like Wyrmrest to me. Or Moonguard. Not that I play anymore, anyway.

Talking about WoW with people has almost the same atmosphere as war veterans talking about their service.

>>381368207

You didn't get my point at all, well done you dumb nostalgiadrone.

>>381370295

Argent Dawn eu

>>381370489
I was about to type down AD too, fuck's sake. Why am I not surprised?

>>381370352
>WoW was ever good or hardcore
This is how you spot an underage pleb

>>381369972
>flying mounts
Fine in theory. Outland was too small and aside from Shadowmoon and Netherstorm, the zones didn't lend themselves to flying. Rendered the whole thing rather pointless.
>arena
Nothing wrong here.
>no world/battleground pvp rewards
What the fuck are you talking about? Of course there was.
>awful writing
Aside from the Draenei, what was so bad about the writing? Illidan not being dead was explained long before TBC was announced.
>difficulty modes
I somewhat agree. I like the idea of there being 3 or 4 dungeons which were the hardest and designed as max level gearing content, but at the same time, adding heroic modes to all instances, and spreading the same quality of loot across all of them + the reputation incentive made it worthwhile for me.

>>381344765
that's not BC
>inb4 casuals can't handle gating
LK had ONE good raid and a bunch of unfinished trash/recycled shit from BC

>>381370568
Whip out your superior taste then. You won't of course because talking shit on a mongolian cave painting board is all you amount to.

>>381344765
TBC > MoP > Cata > Wrath > WoD = Legion

So hard to pick which is worse out of WoD and Legion. I feel that the actual content in WoD was better, they just didn't have the systems in place to make it rewarding to play, and there wasn't enough of it. Legion has some decent dungeons but Mythic+ is fucking boring due to the forced AP grind, and the leveling content is incredibly tedious to play through multiple times. The raids are also mediocre as fuck.

>>381370718
WoW is poor mans everquest and it was casual as fuck from its inception

>>381370554

It's not like I'd have cared the slightest given the way most people on the realm ERP despite saying otherwise.

But trying to RP an IC relationship, having art of your characters commissioned, being in a high position of your guild? Should probably think twice about sneaking into MGT with a futashit orc around midnight desu

>>381370489
AD? Shit what guild was it or who's elf?

>>381370836
>WoD = Legion

You're an idiot. Then again you rate MoP extremely high so retardation must come naturally.

>>381371074

Dawnseekers. Literal-who tier afaik

>>381370836
At least Legion has a grind, WoD just had nothing. Legion might not be amazing but theres no way its as shit and empty as WoD was.

>>381371218
Explain what was wrong with MoP? It had lots of content, great atmosphere, great music, great raids etc. The only real flaw was the bad 5-man dungeons with too much tedious unskippable scripted shit.

>>381370879
Everquest must have been on some Eve Online levels of autism.

>>381370594
>arena
BC is my favorite but there's plenty wrong with arena. It essentially make PvP impossible to balance. Do you balance around semi-controlled mass combat like BGs? Super-controlled arena battles? 5 on 5? 3 on 3?
Absolutely controlled world PVP and 1 on 1s? It was probably a very large step towards what made the bland class homogenization and removal/phasing out of support abilities a thing.
>awful writing
The draenei thing and Illidan being the main villain at all. Two things but the entire backstory for one race and the motivation of the primary villain are two very large fuck ups. It was possible to make the draenei work and they're cool as hell but their fluff kinda sucks.

>>381370594
>Fine in theory.
Not really, it removed any difficulty in navigating the map or finding shit because everyone just flew straight to everything or wandered around with track mats turned on and swooped down to grab whatever they saw.
>Nothing wrong here.
Instead of cooperative objective based team play you were stuck in small fights because muh competitive with different rules that didn't represent the real game at all. I wouldn't care if it were just an optional thing for compfags but they practically forced it on everyone who wanted to PVE instead of PVP.
>What the fuck are you talking about? Of course there was.
And it was fuck all compared to the rewards from arena. If you wanted to make any progress in pvp you had to do arena.
>Aside from the Draenei, what was so bad about the writing? Illidan not being dead was explained long before TBC was announced.
Illidan, Kael, and Vashj are all evil for no reason. Everything about the Naaru ruined the light/dark spirituality thing they set up in vanilla with things like the church of shadow and the scarlet crusade.

>>381371248
Exort the GM, you can probably make her do whatever if she's slut enough to fuck futaorcs.

>>381344765
It was the best. But was the begining of the end.
While it had the best atmosphere lore and "balance" the bullshit started on this patch tho.
Pros
All classes just werks you could be any pve/pvp class and it would work and you could get the most of them
The best pvp patch was during this era.
World events(wintergrasp) was nice
Ulduar is goat
Talent trees and enchants were meaningful

Cons
10/25 raids
10/25 heroic raids. This was bullshit and broke many guilds stability
More than one "pve tier" per patch
PvP weapons could be only acquired from pve or high arena things
Farming the bike was pain.

But overall it was a much more efficient patch than what we got later. It was so good that even with pandaria being an decent exp had less players.

No other patch (besides vanilla) left an huge demand of orphans of the game like the ones after the lk... Personally I miss it :(

>>381367629
that's not a real thing in the game you fucking retard nigger

>>381370879
There's such a thing as a sweetspot between obtuse, practically facebook freemium-without-the-mium-level mechanics and welfare epics, don't even bother adventuring or interacting with human beings in our multiplayer game you know.

>>381371415
Not him but It was indeed the most autistic game i ever played. WoW striked that sweet balance between being hardcore but not being overly autismo. Levelling in EQ took fucking forever compared to WoW and the gearing was 100x more of a pain in the ass. Theres a reason people has nostalgia for Vanilla WoW and not Eternalgrind.

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Nah

>>381371248
Is it that hunter orc that always hangs about the bazaar or some other?

>>381371884
Didn't FFXI contain stuff like raid bosses that take 2 days to kill? Doesn't seem very well thought-out tbqh

>>381369830
No you didn't, you are lying. No one in WoW talks anymore because Blizzard removed the social aspect of the game, /v/ has told me this.

>>381354727
>>381367629
literally nu-blizzard devs shitting on the work of old blizzard

probably because they are super salty about all the players telling them that old wow was better and that all their new "innovations" are garbage that made the game worse

>>381372060
That's why it was such a memorable and great experience though, because you generally don't get that kind of communicative play in the game anymore, and because people generally aren't willing to endure a 2 hour long wipe-fest for content that gives no real reward just for the fun of it.

>>381371526
he could probably do it without extortion desu, wouldnt be surprised if she didnt even delete the pregnancy status while she got zug-zugged kek

>>381372385
AD EU Belfs are slutty 90% of the time.

>>381371473
>Not really, it removed any difficulty in navigating the map
This is why I said fine in theory. Outland didn't lend itself to support flying.
>they practically forced it on everyone who wanted to PVE instead of PVP.
In what way?
>And it was fuck all compared to the rewards from arena.
World pvp has always offered lackluster rewards though. I think it only happened in order to separate casual players and hardcore players, because technically any fresh level 70 can jump into PVP and farm, even if they are complete shit. I'm glad that rated BGs have somewhat fixed this problem.
>Illidan, Kael, and Vashj are all evil for no reason.
They were never "good" as in neutral to the Alliance and Horde. Akama says "the enemy of my enemy" in the Black Temple trailer, which more or less sets up the players motivation to go after them. There are plenty of reasons to go after the Illidari but ultimately the biggest threat was the Legion. Honestly I hope you aren't one of these "Illidan needed to come back after TBC and have a redemption story" retards.

Legion > WoD > MoP > Cata > WotLK > TBC > Vanilla
the game has only gotten better over the years. wod had a lot of potential, and while we missed out on a lot of stuff we could have had, the stuff that was released of it was pretty damn solid.

Northcraft wwu

>>381350676
Shadow Labs still gives me nightmares.

>>381372060
Depends what content you're doing, most heroic nighthold pugs pretty much required some sort of voice comms until ~4-weeks after release. High level M+ benefit from voice as well but that depends on personal preference/difficulty of the keywords. Then pretty much any Mythic raid(Not Emerald Nightmare) or PVP above 1500 rating voice is required.

>>381372620

they really seem to attract the girls who want to roleplay happy families a lot, you can basically strike out by virtue of being a male blood elf if they're looking for it.

RPing for a passtime just means they're likely open to all sorts of weird shit I guess

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>>381372698
This must be bait.

>>381372984
And the ones wanting to go off and fuck a futaorc on the side?

>>381372676
>In what way?
I meant PVP instead of PVE. It was the only viable form of progression for PVP.
>World pvp has always offered lackluster rewards though. I think it only happened in order to separate casual players and hardcore players, because technically any fresh level 70 can jump into PVP and farm, even if they are complete shit. I'm glad that rated BGs have somewhat fixed this problem.
I won't disagree that welfare epics were a problem but completely fucking over all other forms of PVP to push arena as "true" PVP was annoying. I enjoyed team play way more than super serious hardcore bullshit.
>They were never "good" as in neutral to the Alliance and Horde. Akama says "the enemy of my enemy" in the Black Temple trailer, which more or less sets up the players motivation to go after them. There are plenty of reasons to go after the Illidari but ultimately the biggest threat was the Legion. Honestly I hope you aren't one of these "Illidan needed to come back after TBC and have a redemption story" retards.
They were pretty gray in TFT which is what i liked about them. They were completely rewritten in BC as generic villains because they needed something for raid bosses.
>i want to drain all the water in outland because i'm evil!
>i want to drain all the energy from outland because i'm evil! also i work for the legion even though they destroyed my people and the only reason i came here was to save them.
>i'm going to enslave or destroy everyone in outland to further my own goals!

>>381369942
no shit

"being the bad guys is cool" is toddler mentality.

>>381373581

well that's the point, they're one in the same

>>381373629
>hey were pretty gray in TFT which is what i liked about them.
True, but only from the prospective of you, the player. Now you are thrown into either Camp Alliance or Camp Horde, the Illidari's ambiguity is thrown out the window. The Alliance have more of a reason to go after them I grant you, but there would be no way in a faction based MMO they'd would allow one faction to pursue a neutral group whilst the other just sits there and does nothing.

Kael'thas draining all the energies from Outland is justifiable. He needed to feed his peoples addiction, and this motivation (included his only personal grievance with the Alliance) is what eventually made him defect. I have no idea where you're getting this "Legion killed my people" bullshit from. Lady Vash wanted a monopoly on Outland's water, which is why it was funneled into a reservoir and drained from other water sources.

>>381374552
Wonder what her name is.

>Corecraft is a bust
What are the options for BC now? I miss it so bad but every server has donation rewards and accelerated rates.

>>381375375
Cummiecraft is currently on its open beta. It should be up by the end of the year, its going really strong.

No one is playing warmane TBC?

I never played TBC before and now i'm playing it for the first time and i've been addicted as fuck.

>>381375523
Worth playing on the beta?

>>381376160
Its getting reset, so no.

>>381375597
Warmane is a funserver with a cash shop and pay to skip fake queue

where are my crestmissiles ITT

>>381368341
because there is 12+ years of content for a reset. if they go back everything was designed to be somewhat of a timegate so it will take years to get to the expac you actually like.

Is this not what you wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omg8_DNQ5oE

Enjoy Argus in your skybox in all zones except Outlands/Draenor

>>381345632
Underrated post

>>381377423
Because that tear to argus they make is 100% permanent, right?

>>381377501
Since 7.3 is going to Argus, probably. At least until Legion ends.

>>381377391
EQ got at the very least 3x more xpac than WoW and is still living off Time locked progression server. Go be clueless elsewhere...

>>381377542
>At least until Legion ends.
That's my point.

>>381369514
oh shit i forgot that was a thing. That's borderline cheating lel. Believe they call the act lag switch

>>381366575
Yeah vanilla WoW was trash so it shouldn't even be listed.

>>381378101
>unfair to the expansions
>so trash
No. Vanilla was a great experience, only made better by TBC. It would have been better if they enacted sub-expansion patches during Vanilla and changed up the story, since with their current progression the whole thing's gone too out of the loop.

Ideally, you'd have gotten TBC as a third expansion, whilst the sub-expansions of Vanilla were focused on revitalizing Old Lordaeron and teaching newer players what Arthas did before moving on to the release of WOTLK, and after that sub-expansions focusing on the Burning Legion shenanigans before TBC - and no Kung Fu Panda or Cataclysm.

>>381377668
did eq ever get a hard reset and go back to when the game first released? It's not viable

>>381378495
>first couple of months of launch vanilla was a buggy piece of shit.
>at end game more than half the specs were laughed outta raids
>PvP was an afterthought and it showed heavily in content and the gawd awful PvP balance
>lfr tier raid mechanics. Ill give vanilla its 40 mans though
>resist gear for fucking bosses because fuck you
>molten bore
>needing 4 fucking tier 2 geared tanks for 4 horsemen to progress
>c thun was glitched and MATHMATHCALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL UNTIL BLIZZ FIXED HIM
>2 button rotations
>if you didn't roll a priest and wanted to be a healer prepare to be on bitch duty
>sunder armor spam to tank
> pve gear made PvP gear useless and made people literally 1-2 shot mofos in bgs
>etc

Vanilla wow is better then retail don't get me wrong but it was far from the amazing experience people make it out to be.

>>381380036
Like four years ago. You are too late.

>>381344765
>Naxx rehash
>Two or three One-boss raids
>The shitfest that was the Argent Tournament
>ICC was yet another timegated raid
No, it was awful.

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It all was fine until after this point. At the time when Ulduar came out we had
>Hype of the Lich King
>Fair heirloom system
>Not-too-difficult gold farming but still took some dedication
>Quests quests more quests, emphasis on quests and quest chains
>Dungeon finder but the quest givers weren't right there at the start of the dungeon and they didn't give you shitloads of extra exp
>The fucking Ulduar raid was literally the best raid ever. Still fucking is
>Death Knights were badass and unbelievably balanced, now they just suck
>Entire northrend atmosphere was comfy and surprisingly humorous

I will admit that TBC launch was the hypest frustrating shit ever though since Outland literally became flooded with players and was locked pvp. It was a warzone lads. Fuck I miss it

>>381380040
>MATHMATHCALLY IMPOSSIBLE

Oh great, it's THIS meme again.

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>mfw Wrath babby paladins tried to AOE tank Cata heroics pre-nerf.
Too many keks

>>381380748
>Protecting heirlooms at all
>Acting like the issue with dungeon finder is the placement of the questgivers
Tryhard.

>>381380748
>the quest givers weren't right there at the start of the dungeon
The only dungeon where that is correct is Azjol Nerub, as the NPC is directly outside.
>and they didn't give you shitloads of extra exp
Also incorrect.

>>381345693
>Shattrath
Good memories of that place. Probably a ghost town now.

>Battleground weekly event
>Lose 6 in a row on Horde
>Decide fuck it and queue as Alliance mercenary
>Lose as Alliance

Why the fuck does this always happen, this shit isn't heavily dependent on personal performance like arenas

I personally preferred TBC because of bare-bones PVP and raid difficulty. Progressing through BT/Sunwell Plateau was incredibly fun & difficult.

The only downside of TBC for me was the 30+ minute Druid/War-Druid/Lock 2's but 3v3 was definitely the prime of WoW PvP.

>>381382556
>that feel when mace spec rogues in arenas

>>381380748
>Death Knights were badass and unbelievably balanced, now they just suck

>balanced

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>>381384078
>tfw Mace Spec Arms Warrior with the crafted mace
>with a Resto Druid healing him
>and I was a Priest

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>>381365617
lmao