Symmetrical vs Asymmetrical

DS4 and Xbone controller are both good controllers and fighting over them is retarded.

>>381332054
I agree. But this is about thumbstick placement preference.

I've never heard an argument for the left thumbstick arbitrarily being moved up.

Xbox placement is better as left stick is used alot and is in a more comfortable position opposite to the important buttons on the right.

>>381331940
Symmetrical. my brain has a hard time with the xbox controller for some reason. when it was new i had to look at it to find the buttons. To this day i couldnt tell you the orientation or colors from memory.

>>381332054
i play with the xbox one controller on my pc cause the compatibility is way better and i don't have to install programs to configure it. It's a really good controller and very responsive, the only downside is the dpad who's a bit nono if you want to give a go at fighting games

>>381331940
I've never noticed any difference in how I play when it comes to stick placement. I prefer symmetrical mostly because I've always had a playstation. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I have big hands so maybe any advantage an offset stick placement has is lost on me.

>>381331940
Asymmetrical sticks with playstation button icons. Shapes are easier for me to remember than letters.

>>381331940
Christ, it's a blue board

>>381331940
I would say xbox elite but the shit controller breaks like every month fuck the shoulder buttons.

symmetrical

I seem to be better at games with asymmetrical, especially FPS, but for some reason symmetrical feels natural

PS4 is way more comfortable since everything is packed closer together.

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>Sticks for aiming
It doesn't matter where they are. They are shit tier.

M+KB>>Pads+Gyro>>>Sticks+Gyro>>>>twinstick alone

I prefer asymmetrical.
The placement of the left stick is more comfortable for my thumb to rest on.

>>381333035
How good is the steam controller compare to say xbone elite?

Always preferred asymmetrical. Top positions are always the most comfortable and most of the games I play on console use the left analog stick and buttons more than anything.

>>381333035
Controller + mouse is the true best choice pleb.
Keyboard is only useful if you are playing shooters, for games with less keys mouse + controller is superior and best of both worlds.

>>381331940
symmetrical, my hands aren't retarded

Asymmetrical. I grew up with the Mega Drive and PS1, but the GC and 360 controllers just proved to me that the most important means of control should be the most accessible. It's more comfy, and the controllers match the hand better because of it.

>>381331940
theyre both fine but the playstation stick arrangement specifically is stupid
if youre going to do symmetrical sticks they should both be on the outside, you dont want the things requiring the greatest range of motion to be in the most cramped position

>>381332237
Your right thumb spends most of its time on the buttons and not the c-stick. That's what feels best to your average QA focus group. The left hand should mirror this comfortable position, because your thumb is spending most of its time on the movement stick and not the d-pad.

I think it 100% all depends on the size of the controller. If it's a small conroller, symmetrical is always better, but if it's something bigger like the Xbone controller or god forbid The Duke, symmetrical would be a nightmare for anyone without Shaq sized hands.

who gives a shit
if you're too stupid to move your thumb by about five degrees you deserve to die.

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Wii U Pro Controller had the comfiest symmetrical sticks.

Asymmetrical because there's no symmetrical key and mouse setup to my knowledge unless you make it

>>381333127
Xbone elite doesn't have gyro correct?

Gyro allows for camera movement that's a lot more sensitive and precise than stick, the typical strategy is stick or pad for large sweeping movements and gyro for small adjustments. Gyro can also be used for some interesting things on top of camera controls like Wii Emulation, I've been playing through the bit.trip series of games on PC (Ported from the Wii) and making motion controls that play like their wii versions but are smoother since the Steam Controller gyro is newer technology.

Trackpad is also way more accurate than stick on it's own if you aren't interested in gyro controls. Trackpad works great to control the mouse if you want to use it in PC games or browse the internet.

Gyro and trackpads both allow for twitch camera movement that's a lot faster than stick movement too, similar to a mouse but obviously lacking some of the precision. Sticks cap out at a pretty low speed and usually are stuck in a one speed fits all sort of situation. Trackpads and gyro are easier to move at different speeds.

Tl;dr PC>Steam Controller>Nintendo controllers with gyro (WiiU gamepad, Switch everything, PS4 but they never fucking use it)>Traditional stick only controls

>>381333650
>LITERALLY willing DEATH on someone based on something as trivial as a thumb movement

This is surely disagnoseable

My only gripe with DS4 are the triggers. If only they where rounded like the xbones as to not pinch your fingers theyd be perfect.

>>381333802
Just end it m8

>>381331940
It all entirely depends on the size of your hands in relation to the controller. Big hands, it doesn't matter what you use. Smaller hands, asymmetrical will offer slightly easier thumb placement.

>>381333802
>Taking shit that is written in 4chan seriously
You must return to redduit.

>>381333867
How are you pinching your fingers? I've heard this a couple times but I just don't get it

>>381333767
Gyro/touchpad is braindead gimmick shit.

If I want decent, accurate control, I'll use a fucking mouse. If I'm playing anything that only needs vague camera precision, i.e. 99% of console games, I'll use a controller.

>>381333973
>Not recognising my 4d autism ironic shitpost chess

Back to funnyjunk

Asymmetrical. Grew up using PS1 and PS2 controllers but once I started using 360 controller I never looked back. Feels more natural for me personally. On a side note, the true greatness to me is that the rubber on the Xbox sticks is inverted, giving me better control of the sticks without thumbs sliding off.

>>381334145
Back to newgrounds kid

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>>381334095
>Mouse and Keyboard is """perfect""" (mouse is perfect, keyboard has shit tier movement and mice pick up the slack)
>Because mouse and keyboard is the best there's no reason to make a better solution for controllers, which are objectively terrible.

>>381332830
But letters ARE shapes, anon

I used to love the xbox controller. But i grew up, and now, for some reason, it "hurts" my hand.
The DS4, is almost perfect if it wasn't for the plastic and low battery.

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mfw results are exactly 50/50% right now

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>>381334383
I can use both controllers no matter what. Am I a manlet then?

>>381333035
Is there a standalone driver yet? Or do you have to add even nonsteam games to steam to run it properly?

>>381334323
>(mouse is perfect, keyboard has shit tier movement and mice pick up the slack)
Anyone who thinks 8 directions with no time delay is "shit tier" for movement has no idea what they're talking about. Name even a single game in which it's beneficial to have more than 2 possible movement speeds, or where strafe angles of anything other than 0, 45, and 90 are useful. If anything, angles are actually detrimental, there's a reason so many people liked the GC's indents for competition.

>there's no reason to make a better solution for controllers, which are objectively terrible.
All the games you could ever want to use a controller for, have absolutely no need of accurate camera controls.

>>381331940
I've got a pain from ps4 pad and i think it's because sticks placement because it's totally fine with x1 pad.

>>381334778
Yeah. The biggest fault is that you have to run everything through Steam still.

>>381334540
No, you just don't deathgrip the controller like fucking ape

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Symmetrical confirmed best

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What did they mean by this?

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Huh...

>>381335005
>Yeah. The biggest fault is that you have to run everything through Steam still.
No* The biggest fault is that you have to run everything through Steam still.

Im retarded sorry.

Depends on the game. Symmetrical is better for 2D games but asymmetrical is better for 3D.

>symmetrical losing
sony btfo again?

In my taco country we have a saying that goes "the one that is parrot is green everywhere"

I don't like the positioning on the options button on the PS4 controller, does anyone else find it really awkward to reach?

>>381335189
>>381335005
Are they even still being produced? I'm kinda expecting Valve to drop them at some point soon, like anything they do. Remember SteamOS and SteamMachines? Me neither. I kinda hope for like a 250€ Ryzen APU box the size of a router

>>381331940

symmetrical can be good, but not where the playstation has the sticks. theyre fucking so far down you have to be a crab or have deformed thumbs to like that shit

>>381335506
Similar spot to the Switch joycons, though those are easy to press. Options buttons always feels like it requires a bit too much force to push in, plus it's a bit too small

Touchpad tends to act as a second pause button anyway though so I don't mind

My xbone controller has the right stick in a constant state of drifting upwards slightly, which is apparently a very widespread issue with microsoft's shitty controllers, and heavy USB connector (controller side) issues (it disconnects if I move ever so slightly in the wrong direction with my hands)

Its proving to be a huge pain for playing rocket league and I'm heavily considering buying a wireless one, but I'm extremely risk averse and i don't feel like shelling out over 50 euro for a controller who's sticks have a high chance of drifting after 6 months of use.

What the fuck am i supposed to do.

>>381332321
This.

Both are fine though.

>>381331940
IDK but the DS4 is fucking shit.

>>381335665
But all xbone controllers are wireless??

>>381331940
I like asymmetrical better but it's honestly the thing I care the least about when it comes to controllers, the grip and how the sticks and buttons feel are way more important to me.

>>381335772
fuck i meant a rechargeable one
mine's plugged in to the PC permanently because i don't want to buy batteries

>>381335665
This is a new level of sony gger posting.
There is no wired Xbox One controller son of a batch

Also, the Play and Charge in OP's pic is third party.

>>381334269
Back to miniclip, boyo

>>381335125
>the graph is symetrical
SONY ALWAYS WINS BABY

>>381332054
Pretty much confirmed: >>381335083 >>381335106 >>381335125
Just use whichever floats your goat

>>381335924
Just buy two sets of nimh rechargable batteries. They are cheap. Wall chargers are a little expensive though, relatively.
One of the many reasons xbone controller shits on ds4 is the use of standard replacable batteries.

>>381335936
>sony gge
>batch
>didn't read post above his
http://xboxonedaily.com/2015/07/xbox-one-gamers-reporting-stick-drift-problems-with-their-controllers/
>this stick drift issue has been there since launch and microsoft never fucking bothered fixing it because hey 50$ a pop

but nah im a sony shill
neck yourself kid

>>381336098
not anymore retard.

>>381332054
This. If you can move your thumb easily from face buttons to stick, like a normal person, it really, really doesn't matter. At all.
Not even voting.

>>381336292
>shooters
>console
opinion instantly discarded

>>381331940
i prefer ps controller because I don't play first person games with a controller.

>>381336292
this. wiiu pro conroller nailed it.

>>381336406
What games does Xbox have that use the buttons more than the right analog stick, which justify giving them the supposed "prime real estate" instead of the right stick?

>>381336292
This. It doesn't matter, because you'll move your thumb either way.

>>381336195
>dirty fingers
lol fatfuck
wash your hands more often

>>381336292
Xbox controller is great for racing games. I like it more than a wheel, and yes, I do own a car and I do trackdays.

>>381335518
Nah they still sell, I dont think amazingly but not terribly. Steam Controller was literally the only part of the steam living room push that wasn't retarded, which isn't the greatest sell, but it's also easily the most customizable controller of all time.
If you don't want to fiddle with the controller for awhile all the controller games have a built in controller loadout you can use, there's also loadouts for the game you're playing available (Pretty sure non Steam games too, I had CEMU controls suggested to me (Not losing gyro in BOTW is amazing))

But the controls are fun to customize. And the two trackpads are the most versatile controllers inputs in history easily. They both work as a dpad, a set of 4 buttons, a control for the mouse, a radial menu of up to like 20 buttons, a quick menu that can have up to 16. In RTS I have one bound to the normal mouse that goes all over the screen, one bound to only move around the area of my screen where all the hotkey buttons are, and I use the stick to move around the map, left and right triggers for the mouse clicks, etc. I have a radial menu in FTL, it's my weapon and drone controls. I used the quick menu for inventory, map, level ups, and magic. And in Dungeon defenders I used it for summoning towers and using some attacks. (Radial or quick can work great for an easier MMO's less cast spells). The trackpads can also emulate the sticks for games in a bunch of different ways. I've heard some people use the trackpad for movement and want a version with no stick, but I haven't tried it yet.

I honestly barely scratched the surface. The haptic feedback for the trackpads is part of what makes them so nice to use (They're nothing like laptop trackpads, they detect your finger fantastically (The trackpad can detect my finger through my shirt, and well as those custom Steam Skins (I was wondering about the skin over the trackpad and thats why I was doing that with my shirt))

>>381332237
>I've never heard an argument for the left thumbstick arbitrarily being moved up.
When you're using it asym, like in FPS, you're going to be moving forward most of the time, which is the placement helps with. For games with buttons, it's nice to have them across from each other. Plus, it's easier to reach up and press buttons.
Left handed people are kind of shafted. It's honestly like using an ergonomic mouse vs an ambidextrous one.

>>381332054
fpbp. I do prefer DS4 for the symmetry, tho. Asymmetry triggers my autism

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based Hori put the stick on the top

>>381331940
Xbone controller is the only good thing about the Xbone because its easier to configure for PC use

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>>381336170

Xbox's haptic triggers are awesome. other controllers feel just bland after experiencing it

>>381337054
it makes sense in this case, since you're holding it with one hand

>>381337430
this. those triggers are better than sex.

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>>381331940
I really loved symmetrical until i tried 360 controller which just was slightly better and less tiring

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>>381337407

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I prefer asymmetrical but the dpad and triggers on ds4 are the best

>>381337595
>DS4 triggers
>good
They're DS3 tier squishy. You have terrible taste. Actually the DS4 is worse than the DS3 in almost every way.

>the piechart itself is asymmetrical
Kino

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>"here's your controller bro"

>>381331940
I kinda like the assymetry for most games, the left thumbstick is in a comfortable position for movement.
But Symmetrical feels good too, it's been a while since I used a symmetrical controller, but they are good for most third-person games.

>>381333127
it's only good if you liked trackpads of laptops, for me it was straight garbage

>>381337728
I like the squishiness
Though I'll agree DS3 was better

>>381331940
depends on the game

>>381337054
Do the left thing basically replaces WASD and QE?

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>>381331940
Why not both? Are you handicapped?

>Adept
>Survive
>Conquer

Unless you are in a monogamous relationship with your controller idort.

>>381337595
>that cum stain

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>>381333802
I think he was being hyperbolic mate.

>>381338372
Krazy glue is a bitch man

>>381338098
I don't know.
But it must be movement, so any retard keys pc fags use instead of arrow keys

>>381331940
sony themselves already settled it, when they unveiled the ps4 and the controller they admitted testing groups preffered asymmetrical, but went with symettrical because "it looks more like playstation" or some bullshit like that

>>381331940
When the dual shock first released on the PlayStation I felt it was okay. Then I used the first Xbox controller which also felt okay. Then i tried playing on the dual shock again and it felt like shit because my left thumb had to reach now. To this day I can't stand dual shocks. So asymmetry.

With symmetrical you can easily play both 2D and 3D games.
With asymmetrical you can only play 3D games.

So it's symmetrical for me.

>>381331940
DS4 is trash the DS3 was better in every way they should of just made the DS3 a little bit bigger

the only problem with the xbone controller is the shoulder buttons are a bit stiff

>>381339394
You're gonna have to elaborate there pal

>>381333664
After playing with the Switch for about a month and a half, going back to the Wii U for any reason is awful. Those controllers feel like literal toys.

>>381339480
He's deformed

>>381339394
where did you get this idea that asymmetrical is inferior for 2D?

>>381339457
also triggers feel worse, I'd draw what I mean but I'm too lazy

>>381332609
Damn is it really not good for fighting games?

I've been using a 360 controller for Tekken and I want to upgrade. I know the DS4 is the go to but in general I really don't like PS controllers.

>>381339394
D-pads are for 2D son

>>381331940
asymmetrical obviously. feels way more natural to use between primary and secondary face buttons/sticks.

the recent trend of pretty much all new controllers (with the exception of playstation) going down the asymmetrical route pretty much confirms that it's the more sought after config which provides the optimal experience.

>>381333035
I own it, feels cheap. Especially the triggers. Though I do use it in bed to stream movies and shit.

>>381339237
Identity is important. This time they did it right but it was coincidence.

Sony is just that lazy. They don't care about working hard to fix things. They were just lucky with the PS3 after the initial backlash and competitors' errors.

They can "afford" losing once in a while, not because money like MS, but because they have a lot of job positions in japan and the government helps them in hard times. If the PS5 fails hard, they will just wait for the next gen.

>>381331940

Is this even debated?

xbox 360/xbone controllers are popular on pc for a reason

>>381339854
>xbox 360/xbone controllers are popular on pc for a reason
I'm fairly certain that reason is native driver support

>>381339480
Playing with both Xbox One and DS4, I always pick DS4 when it comes to 2D games.

But the two of them are really good controllers.

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So am I honestly the only one who can use both without bitching about getting cramps and seizures?

Gues I'm a hardcore gamer after all. My dad would be so proud.

>>381339970
Why not get a good 2D controller, instead of some halfassed one?

>>381339854
Please use your brain.

>>381340035
you are just a retard who can't understand this board desu senpai

>>381339930
Obviously.

The xbox360 was the first widely used controller on PC and was at the forefront of making couch PC gaming viable last gen. It was plug and play.

>>381340176
No and hopefully I never will. I've embarrassed my parents enough don't you think?

>>381340053
DS4 is really good for that. I played the entire Dragon's Trap remake with.

>>381339854
the 360 controller has been the no.1 best selling controller on amazon for like 10 years straight. it was a thing of beauty back then and it aged really, really well. honestly, there is no need to spend $60 on a xbox1/ps4 controller when you can pick up a wired 360 for half the price and will probably have twice the life span as it doesn't have gimmicky touchpads like the ds4 and can actually be unscrewed and cleaned thoroughly when needed unlike the xbox1 controller which is unable to be opened iirc.

also because the 360 controller is so popular there are a fuckload of cheap modkits which can be added to suit your playing preference e.g. longer analogs, different face buttons, a whole new dpad etc

>>381339614
>the triggers feel worse
compared to the DS4 or Xbone controller

DS3 had triggers where it felt like it curved down as opposed to 360/bone controllers go straight up and down DS4 is kinda in between

Are there any Xbox One controllers with a built in usb wire instead of a detachable micro-usb wire?

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>>381333035
>thread not focusing on console wars or pc AT ALL
>pcretard has to shill that garbage controller
Wow. So shocking.

>>381340486
third party, yes

>>381340613
name?

>>381340432
what does the xbox button do on PC?

can you configure it to whatever?

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>>381339739
>Especially the triggers.
Are you sure we used the same controller?

>>381339652
I've been playing Tekken with it works really well, the massive improvement on the D-pad is worth it alone.

>>381340696
I dunno lol
I avoid third party, but it should be easy to find
look around

>>381340842
Material wise, not feel.

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>>381340547
>Literally a Xbox vs PS4 controller thread

>>381340841
I think it opens up the Shift+Tab menu on Steam when playing a game. Otherwise, nothing.

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>>381340445
xbone triggers feel worse compared to 360

here, on xbone it has these curvatures on the side that makes it feel weird to me, while 360 was just a normal trigger

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>>381340486
>using anytype of wire with the xbone controller

of shit nigger what are you doing

>>381331940
I like them to be symmetrical, but I don't like where they are on playstation controllers. They should be placed higher up.

>>381340841
on win 10 it opens the windows game bar by default. i've never tried to re-configure it because i don't use the windows game features.

you could probably use some third party app which allows you to add a custom shortcut to it like alt+tab to minimize your game or something.

>>381339652
Are the Hori Pokken controllers still cheap? I use one for anything that doesn't require an analog stick.

>>381341076
PC and I would rather have a wired controller so that I don't have to deal with charging the battery and I don't want to use the base controller with the micro usb connector.

>>381332461
Happens the same to me. I had PS1 and 2, and when I passed to the computer and bought the Xbox360 controller I couldn't addapt to it. I liked it more than the PS2 controller anyway.

>>381331940
Sometimes in Dark Souls I had to do two different tasks with my left hand and I don't know how I would do that exact move on the PS4 controller

>>381340917
>>381340842
>>381339739
They're all made out of ABS.
Actually, the steam controller might not be. It seems like it's might be made out of a superior vinyl plastic but it might not be.

>>381337054
"Pass the controller bro"

"I only have the one though so heres your half"

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>>381341113
My Logitech gamepad does the same when I press on the Logitech symbol in the middle. Coincidence?

>>381331940

itt: form vs function

function wins here because we're gaming, we're being practical, not trying to look good.

>>381339739
What? The triggers are probably the best thing about the controller. Analog but still presses like a button when all the way in.

It's the bumpers that feel shitty

>>381331940
I can't even feel the difference between the 2 types. It's all the same to me and the only thing that ends up mattering is how good the buttons are.

>>381340841
If you're using it through steam then it opens up steam overlay or opens steam window

>>381333127
It's great for certain games. I haven't found much use for the pads, honestly, but the controller feels great in your hands so I use it for 2d platformers. The right pad was great for selecting weapons in Axiom Verge.

>>381332609
>>381339652
I disagree, the Xbone d-pad feels great for fighting games for me. I can feel every direction press and release unlike ds4. Even guile super motions and half circles are easy

>>381341494
see
>>381336173

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>>381331940
Both controllers are very good, the culmination of years of feedback and improvement. The complaints for either are nothing compared to previous models.

I have to give the edge to DS4 though because of the extra functionality the touchpad and gyro add on PC

>>381342523
they don't have enough travel. they don't move at all. If they made it so they move a little they'd be a lot better.

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Having the stick above the d pad makes it impossible to claw with the left hand so dualshock is always the winner for me.

Symmetrical is retarded when you make things like these >>381333664 though.

>>381343036
No thanks, I'll just look for one with a built in wire.

>>381343352
I don't know what you mean. The travel feels the same as the other controllers, certainly much more than say DS3

>>381340486
>>381343787

Not first party.

Just use a micro USB wire you faggot. Superglue it on if you feel really insecure about it.

>>381343110
>have to give the edge to DS4 though because of the extra functionality the touchpad and gyro add on PC
What PC games even support those?
Hell most PS4 games barely make any use of them

>>381343840
No no. I mean on the bumpers.
I'm a different guy. The bumpers don't travel is the actual problem with them. I mean, they work fine. It's more of a nitpick if anything.

>>381331940
Symmetrical for fighting games (dpad priority).

Asymmetrical for everything else.

>>381332237
It's from the days when twin stick controls weren't the norm for all games.

>>381340547
You can use any of those controllers on pc

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>>381344047
Through steam, literally every game. Gyro can control mouse aim, the touchpads can make popup menus in any game steam overlay works with

>>381331940
>https://strawpoll.com/r4dczzf
I play with a DS3 on PC mainly because I grew up with a PS1 and PS2. og XBOX was almost non existent in Europe. Did play with a 360 controller for a bit and it was good, it's just preference.

>>381344063
The problem with the bumpers is they require way too much force to press

They're like alarm clock buttons

There is no objective best. It depends on the game you're playing. For Dark Souls you'll use the face buttons more than the camera stick, so it makes sense for the buttons and left stick to be lined up.

For shooters you use the camera stick more often than face buttons, so for that it makes more sense for the two sticks to be lined up.

In the end it doesn't matter. Your left thumb is opposable. You can move it where it is needed.

>>381335083
>>381335106
>>381335125
USA WINS!

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>>381333512
This is an underrated explanation. Pretty much sums up my own personal experiences with symmetrical sticks.

>>381332237
It's to avoid infringing Sony's patents

>>381333512
This depends on the game. For shooters the right thumb spends most of its time on the right stick instead of the buttons

>>381332142
>fighting over preference

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>Not realizing THIS is now the GOAT
>DS4 and Xbone controllers BTFO!
>Nintendo wins again

Seriously, it's the most balanced (weight wise) and softest and most comfortable controller around.

>>381347193
>digital triggers

>>381347193
>No analog triggers

>>381347193
>no analog triggers
>that price

>>381347246
>>381347246
>>381347402
Digital triggers are fine, racefags. The real problems with it are the d-pad, the grips being separate pieces from the main controller and having a noticeable seam, and the home.screenshot buttons being too close and not distinct enough from start/select.

>>381347680
>>381347193
Whats the button under -?
Sync? Or?

>>381347193
Steam gyro and button binding support when?

>>381347680
>Digital triggers are fine
No they're not. Give me analog or dual-stage triggers or fuck off. I want a single gamepad to play all of my gamepad games.

>>381347836
Dedicated screenshot button. The joy cons have it too.

>>381347680
>the controller locks you out of a significant genre of video games
This is not fine, asshole. If you want digital triggers, the GameCube or Steam Controller is the way to go. Analog triggers that have a digital button when squeezed all the way in.

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>>381333035
gabe stop shilling

>>381331940
The blacks did 9/11

>>381347193
>Directinput
>Digital Triggers
>Not android compatible
>70$
It is the best built controller tho

>>381331940
I don't know maybe I just don't get it but whenever I use either controller they feel relatively the same. The stick placement really has no affect on me.

>>381347680
Wait what's wrong with the d-pad?

The entire reason I held off on buying a ds4 for PC is because the Switch Pro d-pad would be way better than the DS4s mushy garbage I thought

You're telling me it's shit??

>>381347985
>significant
There's like 3 racing games per year. Digital is objectively better for every single other genre.

The ds4 sticks have way less deadzone than Xbone so the ds4 wins

>>381347193
Anyonese else feel the like the d-pad is pretty shit on the pro controller? I like the weight distribution but I feel like the d-pad feels so much shittier than prior controllers from Nintendo. Street Fighter 2 hasn't been the best using it even though I hoped it would.

>>381348208
It doesn't register single directions very well, and will give you diagonals if you don't hit it just perfectly. Ironically, Microsoft has the best d-pad this gen.

>>381348242
There's also shit like GTA and battlefield that also have vehicles where analog gas/brakes are great

Literally no excuse for not making triggers dual stage for digital triggers

>>381348242
Analog triggers with digital buttons at the end of the throw are objectively better than digital triggers and analog triggers.

>>381348363
I've played both of those just fine with a keyboard.

Symmetrical all the way because of better D-pad placement

>>381348323
>Ironically, Microsoft has the best d-pad this gen.
What the fuck timeline did I end up in

I wish the ds4 had the Vita's d-pad, that's the best d-pad since Saturn

>>381348291
Deadzones are adjustable

>>381348483
And I've played shooters and other digital-trigger-sorta-games just fine with analog triggers.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't be better if things were different.

Dual stage triggers makes both crowds happy

>>381348590
I like the click of the Xbox d-pad a lot. The only substitution I would ever want is a Neo Geo pad's stick.

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>>381331940
I don't care, whatever works. About to get a steam controller soon and see how upset it makes me.

>>381348656
Nope, the Xbone sticks have a hardware minimum deadline that can't be changed while the ds4 does not

This is very apparent on PC games

>>381348293
I think it's fine, it's just no one is use to using such a hard d-pad. The buttons stick out way more than xbox's d-pad, and you have to press down hard on the direction you want.

>>381348715
>not just an ouya controller, but a devkit ouya controller
Are you allergic to money?

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>>381348715
>ouya

>>381348778
>on PC games
Irrelevant opinion discarded

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>>381348838
>>381348843
Heck off

Realistically it doesn't matter, I dont really notice a difference between using one or the other

>>381348698
I also wanted the switch pro pad because of the gyro, I'm sure one day steam or pc drivers will support it

Xbone pad doesn't have it, while ds4 does

I guess I'll just buy the ds4

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>>381348715
>idort

>>381348715
If the ouya controller didn't make you upset then nothing will

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>>381331940
Both are fine as long as it has a diagonal distance between the sticks and the buttons so your thumbs don't suffer.

>>381348971
If you ever get the chance, just try one out yourself. Despite its issues, I still like the controller a lot. All they need to do is allow for wired connections through a firmware update or something.

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It depends on what I'm playing. If I'm actually using the dpad, I want it on the bottom closer to my thumb, but if I'm using the joystick for movement, then I'd rather have the symmetrical setup.

>>381348590
that click on the vita d-pad is the most satisfying shit ever. legit an amazing d-pad. it was the reason why I sunk countless hours onto lumines for it. it just felt really great to use.

>>381331940
I like symmetry.

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>>381348967
So what did you develop for that thing?

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>>381348967
dope. You ever make anything for it?

>>381331940
Asymmetry causes uneven RSI in your hands.
You're gonna pay for that when you're older.

>>381348778
Never noticed that
You might have broken your stick senpai

So if I want to connect a PS4 controller to a PC all I need is a normal micro USB?

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>he didnt get both so that he could use the best one layout for the game being played

Oh. He doesn't play on PC where he can do this?
Haha, everybody laugh at this loser!

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>>381349207
>>381349217
I was lured in on pure hype, I wanted to try making it work with the vita somehow along with some media streaming, can't exactly remember. Shit went south real quick though.

>>381349498
It's fresh from Amazon prime, out of the box that way.

A much older one my friend has is the same way.

>>381349649
I have an Xbox controller for 3D games, a Pokken pad for 2D games, and a Gamecube adapter for Gamecube games.

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Once you brain wires to claw, symmetrical is the only option.

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>>381348971
>>381339652
Unless you plan on playing in locals that use PS4, don't buy a DS4. The Dpad on the DS3 is much, much better and if you don't like PS controllers but still want to use a controller with a saturn-pad then pick up one of these

>>381349524
Yes it's micro usb, not the mini USB that DS3 uses.

>>381349845
Go back to /tv/ pedofag

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>>381331940
I have a DS4 and still prefer asymmetrical.

If you played Wii shooters online with the Classic Controller then you'll know how much of a bitch it is when your thumbs clash together in the middle when you try to Strafe right and aim to the left in a fast motion.

DS4 solved this issue by making the controller bigger than last gen's and spread out the thumb sticks BUT THEY ADDED A BUTTON WHY.

This is only a problem if you have meaty dad hands but even my skinny crackhead fingers has it once or twice in the year I've had it.

Xbox never had this issue and would've been the GOATest pad ever if it wasn't for that shitty Dpad.

>>381349845
She's not looking so bad in this pic

>>381349947
No. The ds3 d-pad is also bad. It's mushy horseshit. Once you press down one direction then any further press is just squish squish squish. Can't feel out DP motions with it. Ds4 d-pad feels the exact same.

>>381349845
not enough disgusted mexican boys

>>381349947
I wanted a ds4 to complement my steam controller for other games that the SC isn't suited for, like 2d shit. Because it still has a gyro, which is really fuckin good for aiming.

So I'm not interested in a fighting commander, no gyro on it. I just wanted a controller that could be versatile for as many games as possible. I already built a USB converted Saturn pad for fighting games specifically

>>381350048
No, the DS4 pad is objectively worse and mushier. Out of the PS controllers the DS1&2 have better pads but unless you're willing to get an adapter just to use original PS controllers on PC then the DS3 d-pad is superior when directly compared to the DS4.

>>381350048
Funny because ds3 has a pressure sensitive dpad like its buttons while ds4 is digital. Guess Sony is retarded for making a digital pad without clicks even though they proved they can make good dpads with the vita

>>381350356
And they're all shit compared to anything else other than x360

Vita is the only good Sony D-Pad ever made

>>381350323
The DS4 Sixaxis is a shit-tier gyro. If you're buying a controller for gyro aiming don't buy a DS4, the Steam Controller is better in that regard.

>>381350569
I borrowed a friend's and the gyro feels the same to me.

Steam has added patches recently that fix the drifting. Maybe you haven't tried it in a while

>>381331940
Which one is which though

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>let's switch places with the left analog stick and the dpad
Who the fuck thought of this stupid shit?

>>381331940
Ds3 or 4 symmetrical if only so i can claw both halves of the controller for souls games. How else can i move and operate menus at the same time?

the perfect dpad for me would the vita one but sized like the ds4 one.

>>381350456
Nah, the original dualshock Dpads were great, superior to the dpads found on any Microsoft controller including the Xbox S and Xbone.

>>381350881
>top is laziness, just slapping a pair of sticks onto an existing design with no thought put into it
>bottom is adapting a design to fit modern standards

>>381350670
Sixaxis is horribly imprecise for aiming regardless if you're running it through steam or just plug and play. Even after making fine adjustments in DS4windows and Steam precision aim the DS4 is the worst gyro controller I've ever used compared to the Steam Controller, Wii U Gamepad and Switch controllers.

Neither is better than the other. It takes two seconds to be able to get used to one after using the other.

i want the ds4 for my pc, but apparently the xbone controller has better compatibility

/blogpost

>>381350038
that's because she's 14 in that pic

pedo

>>381332830
>uses shapes for face buttons
>uses letters for triggers and shoulder buttons
get it together, sony

>>381351393
>14
>pedo
Burger detected

>>381351360
It doesn't. DS4 with DS4Windows will work with any game that supports X360 controllers, and Steam has DS4 support too.

>>381351393
Enjoy your used-up trash, faggot.

>>381333035
I keep telling my friends that gyro+sticks is second only to m+kb but they never listen. I guess the Wii really did ruin everyone's perception of motion controls.

>>381351360
Steam makes ds4 act like an Xbox controller without any extra drivers or programs needed

Even let's you map the gyro to mouse aim or the touchpad to mouse or touch menus

Get the ds4 faggola

>>381351606
Gyro is better than sticks, but worse than being able to just turn around quickly without having to contort your arms in uncomfortable ways.
t. someone who put 1000+ hours into splatoon

What happend to strawpoll

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The only time symmetrical is ever preferable is if you want to control movement with the dpad or camera control isn't important. If you're ever forced to use a controller to play a shooter or a game that requires twin stick controls then asymmetrical is the way to go.

>>381350881
The Xbox controller is almost a direct copy of the Dreamcast's layout with a second stick and a few extra buttons

>>381331940
I actually used to be a playstation guy and never touched an xbox controller in my life I liked the playstation one better but then i went to my friends house and actually used an xbox controller and it felt way better.

I think people have different preferences, despite what people may say, we're not all created equal and we're all different in different ways so its good to keep in mind that if you like playstation controllers fuck you

>>381348590
agreed, vita d-pad is the best, love the click

>>381351818
Yeah, I miss the skeuomorphism of the old Strawpoll. The new site is basically the same but with a fresh coat of paint, though, so whatever.

X1 has the better dpad of the two. I don't see how anything else matters.

X1 has clicky dpad and top bumpers. As well as tougher joysticks, and triggers that activate faster. Their face buttons are also less gummy. Also if you have larger hands you never have to worry about thumbs busting together like on DS1-4

>>381339652
The DS4 is the go to for people that already happened to have one. No one chooses to be inferior.

>>381351849
>The Xbox controller is almost a direct copy of the Dreamcast's layout with a second stick and a few extra buttons
There are so many similarities between all the different controllers of the last few gens that making a comparison like this is pointless.

I feel like if you're playing a shooter, it's better to have symmetry. But if you need access to the face buttons, maybe asymmetry.

I don't fucking know, though. I just prefer the feel of the ds4.

>>381332609
The dpad is far better for fightan than any other controller we have so far. If they matter that much you might as well go full autism with a arcade stick.

>>381331940
symmetrical but above the buttons

WiiU pro got it right

>>381331940
YOOO who has the better D-Pad? Xbone or PS4?

>>381352447
There's no match xbone dpad are shit

>>381331940
it has absolutely nothing to do with symmetry. dual lower is just fucking retarded. You shouldn't have to swipe your thumb left and up to input an up command

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>>381352218
>it's pointless to compare the Dreamcast controller to the OG Xbox controller

No other pair of controllers made by different first party companies are anywhere near as similar as these two in terms of layout and ergonomics. Only Nintendo's "Pro" controllers come even close.

>>381352148
I disagree in the sticks, they feel a lot more loose and rattley than my DS4 sticks do

Everything else is correct however

>>381352419
Too bad all of the Wii U controllers felt like Fisher Price tous.

>>381352447
PS4, but even that's pretty shitty compared to the PS3 or really any other D-Pad not made by Microsoft

>>381352447
Gonna have to say Xbone

Ds4 d-pad is mushy city

The XB1 Elite is the best console controller ever made. This is unarguable fact.

>>381352934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gzj0f9SrBs

>>381353119
What the fuck microsoft

>>381352632
Why are all of those controllers wet?

>>381331940
mouse and keyboard

>>381351707
Thats where the trackpads come in

>>381333035
the pads are atrocious and everybody knows that
t: vive cuck

>>381353774
The pads are not atrocious just because you suck ass with them, faggot

>>381352934
I prefer my analog sticks to not drift on their own, thanks

>>381331940
Asymmetrical, I played Gamecube and Xbox

>>381353692
I'd honestly rather have a horizontal scroll wheel than a track pad for turning.

>>381352934
>Make a controller with far lower build quality than the standard version
>Sell it for a higher price to make up for damages

I wish I was as good at business as Microsoft is

>>381353971
Have you actually tried it?

It has fancy ass haptics that actually make it feel like a scrolling wheel or trackball that keeps spinning for a bit when you let go after swiping across, you feel the friction of it coming to a stop

They used the same tech in the Switch joycons

>>381353862
they are just as bad as a laptop touch pads. there is no reason to have them over sticks on a game controller

>>381354232
See >>381354191
Not like laptop touchpads at all

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>>381353971
You've clearly never spent the time to adjust them

>>381354232
>they are just as bad as a laptop touch pads.
>Hey everyone! Look at me! I've never touched a Steam controller

>>381354191
With Splatoon, the right stick only ever moves the camera right or left. I admittedly haven't used a Steam controller, but basing on what I'm used to I would rather have a wheel to just simply spin the camera around quickly and accurately.

>>381334778
We have one on linux. SC-Controller.

>>381331940

The Xbone controller is significantly better. Not only because of the stick placement.

Depends on where the sticks are at for me

Xbox/Gamecube did it right for asymmetrical

Wii U did it right for symmetrical

>>381354394
You can use the trackpad like that I'm fairly certain

Set it to scroll wheel, set counterclockwise and counterwise to left or right. And theoretically you should exclusively go left or right by spinning your thumb

>>381354378
>Hey everyone! Look at me! I've never touched a Steam controller
You say that like it's a bad thing that I have never touched your autist cancer

Enjoy your stiff alarm clock bumpers

>>381343110
Link to your config

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>>381354630
This is the type of uneducated retard who thinks sticks for aiming is acceptable in 2017.

Don't be like this retard.

>Flopping motion
>Speed caps
>Inaccurate
Analog sticks are literally only better than touchscreen buttons, nothing else. Not circle pads, not trackpads not trackballs, not gyro, not the Kid Icarus Touchscreen thing. And DEFINITELY not mouse

Analog sticks are the bottom of the barrel.

>>381354294
>>381354378
I'm assuming the steam controller pads are the same as vive controllers, yes?
using those to navigate anything is really not optimal as pressing the pad direction results in touch feedback that fucks everything up depending on the game for example
what does a pad do better than a stick is what I want to know, precision?

>>381350881

Probably the dumbest image I've seen on /v/ today.

>>381354861
>mouse for aiming is definitely not the way to aim in current year
oh it's bait and even if you are serious you cannot be fucking serious

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>>381354630
The reason why modern education systems are failing
>I don't have to verify the facts, I can just trust my feelings
Have a (you)

>>381355032
I don't have a vive so I couldn't tell you

But the haptics are felt more in the grips than the touchpad itself if I had to clarify it I guess

Definitely better on both precision and snap turns. Flick it to the right and let go to turn your character all the way around quickly. Move your thumb just a little bit for dinner aiming.

It isn't better than a stick for movement but it's great for aiming

>>381353119
fake news

Wii U pro does it the best

>>381331940
What meaning of assymetrical sticks?
I just can't use claw grab on left hand. It's just fucking swapped stick and dpad. WHY?

>>381354858
That's just a screenshot I saw my man

But that looks like it's just standard gamepad template but with the touchpad setup to control the weapon wheel when R1 is held

>>381355032
Precision aiming, no speed cap for turns, better range of speed, multiple uses.

You can use the trackpads for buttons and shit as well. You can have a radial menu of up to 20 hotkeys. Which is a godsend in action bar games like Dragon Age and FTL. There's quick menu's too which go up to about 16. I use 4 in skyrim for inventory, spells, map, and level up. In dungeon defenders I have my towers and situational spells on the bar. The usual loadout for playing a simple MMO class on the SC is regular spells on the normal buttons and less commonly used spells on a quick or radial menu. On top of a standard dpad (works great for everything but dpad movement) and 4 button layout. Or using one pad for mouse movement and the other for mouse movement in a specific area of the screen (like the area of RTS and MOBAs screens where moves/buildings are located).

Trackpads can do so much more than anything that's existed previously. If autists who have trouble coping with change would stop sperging out about everything that's slightly different we might actually be able to improve how games play with some of the innovations the Steam Controller has. Even basic shit like the back paddles.

>>381331940
S Y M M E T R I C A L

I hate not being able to use the Dpad at the same time. Being able to move and use your items via Dpad are needed for games like Dark Souls and even fucking BotW. The claw grip might be autistic but it's useful as fuck.

>>381355716
>In Skyrim
Stopped reading there
Controller confirmed cancer for plebs

DS4 with all analog buttons would have been perfect

>>381356047
Fuck off sperg, I was picking random games to test it on.

How are backpaddles only on the fucking 150 dollar Xbone ripoff and the Steam Controller?

4 of those fuckers on the back of handles has needed to be an industry standard for years. Dpads and face buttons can't be used without sacrificing aiming or movement

>>381355332
maybe it's just me or the vive then because when I use it for precision aiming or the like, the redicle tends to shake around because it senses my finger on multiple parts of the pad. then I have to raise and tense up my thumb to do it properly rather than just resting it like you would on a stick. still stick aiming is really bad I admit
then there is the fingernail problem but that's purely me
>>381355716
the buttons are fine on their own. they don't really track your finger but the fact that you can put them together is actually a good point

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>>381356319
You can get an attachment for the normal Bone controller to add paddles onto it. But they're never in stock anywhere.

>>381356584
>the redicle tends to shake around because it senses my finger on multiple parts of the pad
Sounds like the vive more than the trackpads.

My Steam Controller doesn't have that issue, sounds like a vive thing.

>>381356060
DS4 with Vita d-pad would have been perfect

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>>381356891
That's because backpaddles are amazing and everyone knows it. Trackpads are next senpai. Also, 4 menu buttons. And gyro.
Also Nintendo had a really cool idea that I'm really upset they didn't end up putting on the switch. They had bumpers like middle mouse wheels that you could roll left and right and click down. Imagine using those for BOTW. Or zooming the camera in and out (Something that there really isn't a good solution for right now)

PC is dependent largely and console and console controls suck absolute ass right now. They have 4 buttons that they can reach without having to give up one of their sticks, that means really simplistic games are necessary. Controllers are holding back the industry as much as consoles are. We need to fucking improvement you faggots. Stop REEEEEEEEing and every single good idea for controllers like backpaddles, gyro, trackpads, etc. Autists are scaring developers out of improving their products.

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>>381331940
Clearly depends on the game, but in general asymmetrical.

>>381353119
>hey let's make a mashup of all people complaining about factory defect which happens with every product ever
That's why crowbcat videos are to take with a grain of salt

>>381331940
i have a ps4 and haven't tried the xbone controller, but the xbox360 controller is a tad better than the ps4's. I think it's because it has better trigger, they feel more taut, also i like the thumbstick material of the xbox 360 controller better.

>>381358550
The rate of defect is much higher than other controllers, which even if this wasn't supposed to be a premium product advertised as being more rugged is a problem in it's own, amplified by the fact that it is more expensive.

>>381331940
Asymmetrical definitely

Symmetrical is only better for shooters though
>playing shooters on a console

>>381358802
>The rate of defect is much higher than other controller
source?

>>381331940
The correct answer, as always, is down to preference. Symmetry is aesthetic, but comfort is about equal across the Big Three.

MOUSE AND KEYBOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>381358879
Just count how many damn videos and reviews there are of it vs regular Xbone pad

>>381347680
>Digital Triggers are fine
no they fucking aren't

>>381361435
They are. Any game that requires rapid trigger pulls prefers digital.

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>>381352218
WTF are you smoking anon.
WTF

>>381361490
and the racing genre gets written off as a whole besides arcade shit