Dragon Ball Fighterz

>>381320148
japan time?

>>381320148
Will it have waifus?

>>381322024
Probably 18, Mai, and the universe 6 Saiyan girls

>>381322252
his jobbing technique has improved, he can job 5x faster than before

>>381320148
Frieza, Vegeta, and hopefully Mercenary Tao.

I'm expecting Ginyu, Future Trunks, Gotenks, 18, 17, Beerus, Mai, Caulifla, Black, Zamasu, and Jiren. Maybe Toppo

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What are the chances that my boy will be in?

Which of the movies are worth watching?

>>381323439
Zero
>>381323979
Tree of Might, Battle of God's, Ressurection of F, that's it.

>>381323979
The Tree of Might, The Legendary Super Saiyan, Fusion Reborn, Wrath of the Dragon, Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F.
The Cooler movies are also worth a watch desu.

>>381323979
Literally only Bio-Broly.

>>381325120
What this guy said except without all of the cooler movies and keep it as just the first one.

>>381325604
Oh yea and also the garlic junior movie and Dragon ball The path to power.

>>381325604
Return of Cooler was the best Cooler movie.
>hur dur Frieza 2.0 movie was better than the Big Gete Star
fucking blast yourself

>>381323979
Tree of Might
Legendary Super Saiyan
Fusion Reborn
Wrath of The Dragon

Bardock the Father of Goku
The History of Trunks

>>381326215
>that awful animation and art for the entire movie
lol?
>hur dur frieza 2.0 movie
>even though this one is on namek
>where frieza was before
>in a new metal body after he got ripped to shreds
>just like frieza
Too bad there's no trunks to slice him up or this would just be too fitting huh?

>>381323979
Dead Zone, Tree of Might and Fusion Reborn are the best ones.

>>381326384
>It's a frost demon/arcosian!
>He can transform!
>Goku gets beat up!
>After Goku's friends get beat up Goku gets angry and goes Super Saiyan!
>Goku then proceeds to whoop ass!
>Oh no, this frost demon had a trick up his sleeve so now Goku must deal with 1 last attack that's going to destroy the world!
>Kamehameha "kills" the frost demon!

The only thing Cooler 1 had over Cooler 2 was animation and art. Cooler 2 had a better story, better choreography, cooler techniques, and a better presentation.

>>381326215
Now thats a fuckin hill to die on.
>HOW DO WE BEAT THE ROBOTS
>PUNCH EM HARDER
>OH NO COOLER IS BACK AND HE LOOKS WAY LAMER
>OH NO HE BEAT UP GOKU AND VEGETA WHO WAS THERE FOR SOME REASON
>BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE HE SLURPED UP TOO MUCH ENERGY FROM THE WORN OUT SPACE APES AND DIED

>>381326858
>HOW DO WE BEAT THE ROBOTS
>PUNCH EM HARDER
Literally the case for nearly every villain that was too strong. In fact, in Super there was a robot who was too hard to punch at all.
>OH NO COOLER IS BACK AND HE LOOKS WAY LAMER
Never seen a shittier opinion.
>VEGETA WHO WAS THERE FOR SOME REASON
It's like you never watched Z and saw Vegeta explaining how he got SSJ, by training in space.
>SLURPED UP TOO MUCH ENERGY FROM THE WORN OUT SPACE APES AND DIED
He died because Goku ki blasted him in a weakened state.

Niggas didn't even watch the movie tryna downplay it, lmao.

>>381326215
Aside from some of the art, it really was.

The first Cooler movie was pretty much just Cooler beating up Goku until he goes SSJ. The second movie had some variation to it. It had the scenes with Gohan and Piccolo, some of those were funny, had Goku standing a chance, and then losing, but then Vegeta and Goku started to win, but then they ultimately lost. And the movie ends with the villain underestimating the heroes and doing stupid shit, not just with an ass-pull power up. I think Return of Cooler is probably the 2nd movie to actually end that way, all the other movies aside from Dead Zone end with a power up boost and Toei fist Goku.

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What DBZ games allow me to warp around my opponent mid combo?

>>381327957
Dragon ball fighter z

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>>381326667
>was the animation and the art
That was my entire point?
Animation and art is why you watch something animated right? I don't know about choreography or presentation being better but the story and cooler techniques is true.
The part where cooler just goes through goku's kamehameha is still one of the best moments in the movie.

>>381328225
Oh, yeah man. Glad they made it a technique in XV2, great for punishing Supers.

>>381328774
This animation style doesn't fit DBZ at all. It was "okay" in Battle of Gods, but not in the main show. This "zoom in on face at an angle then whish around while aura splashes everywhere," it's too modern. Probably the bets moment in Super, but doesn't compare to the best moments of Z, imo.

There was no new info, it was just the same shit we already heard during e3. 3v3 fights, assists, blah blah blah.... Closed beta late Summer.

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>>381320148
SSJ2 Gohan , Future Trunks, and 18

Broly, Gotenks, Mr.Satan, Roshi and Arale

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>>381328774
This is animated pretty well...
I like how it starts with zamasu getting off the ground and ends with vegito on the ground

>>381329150
What's this artists name again?

Confirmed
>Goku
>Vegeta
>Teen Gohan
>Frieza
>Cell
>Majin Boo

High chance
>Future Trunks
>Krillin
>Android 18
>Gotenks
>Piccolo
>Kid Boo

Good chance
>Beerus
>Broly
>Ultimative Gohan
>Tien
>Janemba
>Ginyu

Others
>Goku Black
>Hit
>Bardock
>Super Boo
>Videl
>Yamcha
>Mr. Satan
>Roshi
>Android 17

Fusions (If they decide to add them)
>Gogeta
>Vegito

GT
>Omega Shenron
>Ssj4 Gogeta

>>381329019
New character reveals in this issue of Jump or some kind od magazine

So I was watching this video and it seems that either the longer you charge, the faster you ki rises, or the more bars you have the faster it rises. (I think it's the former, high risk high reward)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819_rNV4Wbc

It's by max, but yeah. I think that's a cool feature, what do you guys think?

>>381330263
>longer you charge, the faster your ki rises
This is true

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Casuals are going to drop this game after two days when they realize they actaully have to understand how fighting games work in order to play it and can't just mash out some braindead strings like Xenoverse and Budokai. The roster doesn't even really matter.

But put androids in it anyway.

>>381330561
it has autocombos for casuals

>>381329807

>fusions
>you can use all 7 bars to perform a fusion dance between two of your three team members

Idk how it'd work but that'd be sick

>>381329006
>It's too modern
That has nothing to do with the anything other than you personally preferring the older aesthetic (which is fine to do) though.

Where would we learn about the new character if true?

>>381329662
https://twitter.com/dragongarowLEE

>>381330830
Yeah, I don't like it, but I really do think it doesn't fit DBZ. And that's because it has never appeared in DBZ until the Yo! Son Goku! OVA. It's nice, and watching it in other anime is cool as fuck, but I really can't get passed it in DBZ. I wanna see crazy choreography and cool martial arts moves, not formula 1 anime style light-speed racing with bodies instead of cars.

But yeah, just my opinion.

I wonder if they're going to do a CG story mode like Xrd.

>>381331558
no story mode, already confirmed
just arcade
practice
ranked
and unranked

>>381331558
Seems like a waste of development time considering it'd be zero gameplay, and people can already just watch the anime. Unless they make up a new story, but I really doubt they'd do that.

I just want to make sure, in arcsys games, moves like the hcf and qcb, are they relative to the direction your character is facing?

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>>381322252

>Super Saiyan Blue is played up as this this immense god like power
>literally everyone is stronger than it since its introduction

Why did they even bother with this shitty recolor.

>>381333279
New generation, new Super Saiyan.

Remember how everyone was stronger than Super Saiyan? This is that same thing but new.

>>381333616

The problem is that SSB has now replaced regular SSJ when it is aesthetically inferior.

>>381334027
Yeah, it clashes with Goku's colors. IT looks nice on Vegeta at times, but it looks shitty with the orange gi.

>>381322024
>Will it have waifus?
Ever since Chun Li first appeared in SFII original arcade, I don't think it had been possible to release a fighting game without females. Maybe Primal Rage because they aren't humans?

>>381320148
Anyone expecting non DLC Super characters beyond alt costumes for Goku/Vegeta is unrealistic. Especially the ones that have transformations as their own characters.

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>>381320148
Best roster coming through, all are likely picks except for DLC, based on popularity and signifigance in their place in the story. None of that SSJ4 or Mercenary Tao shit.

>>381337578
Hit was already confirmed you mongoloid

>>381337578
Golden freiza is in the game. That's a non-DLC "Super character" that is not an alt costume. Granted, it is a transformation for freiza, who is obviously not originally a Super character.

>>381337796
>based on popularity and signifigance in their place in the story
Not good. The REAL criteria is based on popularity and uniqueness in terms of combat. Which means Raditz, 17, Yamcha, and Dabura are a no go. It will be Vegito not Gogeta(sadly), and it would be Janemba over Cooler.

>>381337796
Just Goku my shit up senpai

>>381337918
Golden Freeza isn't even a Super thing, it's a DBZ Movie thing.

>>381337798
Where?

>>381338094
I lied to hopefully attract more attention to the thread.

>>381337796
Swap 17 for Dr Gero and we're golden

>>381337972
17 is not only popular, but recently gained back his revelance in Super he's a shoe in. Yamcha has always heen around and was major for over half the series, Raditz was the very first villian in the "Z" part of thr story, Dabura is the only villian of the Buu saga who isn't Buu and has really unique attacks. Vegetto is better than Gogeta anyday (design that isn't "Adult Gotenks with a bang", personality that actually exists or isn't a rip off of Vegetto), and Cooler is more popular/likely than Janemba due to being one of two movie villians to get more than one movie. Janemba is barely a character at all, really...

>It's a "post rooster thread"
>they put in characters that never did anything important except die
>they put in a bunch of DB characters and GT characters
>they put in Bardock as a Super saiyan
>they put in Satan instead of Videl
>they put in both 17 and 18
>they don't put in Gotenks
>they favor fagito over Gogeta
>they underestimate the ability of some non-canon characters
>they put in Caulifla and Cabba

>>381338059
Just like the series! Plus Kid Goku and Goku Black have completely different fighting styles to Goku.

>>381320148

I'll main Tapion if he's in. Otherwise, Future Gohan. Otherwise, Future Trunks.

>>381322213
>the universe 6 Saiyan girls
I approve of this.

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>>381333279
>Anime
>SSJ Blue is constantly getting shat on
>Has not won a single fight
>Gohan, Frieza, and android 17 are shown to be on par with it. Even Krillin can put up a small fight against it
>It needs Kaioken X10 to be an actual threat, otherwise it's useless

>Manga
>SSJ Blue is so OP Hit is completely useless against it, Black is completely useless against it once Vegeta trains, and when it's "completed" Goku is actually stronger than merged Zamazu
>Has not lost a single fight
>The tension and suspense is completely lost most of the time since SSB just shits on everyone that isn't Beerus.
>It needs a bullshit, "energy draining" weakness that doesn't make any sense in order to not make it completely broken

I prefer the manga version overall

>>381338603
Agreed, except for 17/18, it's obvious they'll both be in due to both popularity and significance. In fact, what games have one and not the other?

Also it's retarded that "DB" characters are excluded when the manga makes no distinction between "Dragon Ball" and "Z". "Z" is a fucking brand name that Toriyama never used on his own creation.

>>381320148
>So was the whole thing around "news about more characters on the 21st" just a ruse this entire time.
They will be revealed in the next V-Jump.

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>>381338603
I can agree with almost everything except
>they put in characters that never did anything important except die
That's relative.
>they put in a bunch of DB characters and GT characters
I can expect some, but not many, same with Super.
>they favor fagito over Gogeta
Cry harder, Vegito will always be better and more relevant than your movie and GT exclusive.

>>381338549
>17 is not only popular, but recently gained back his revelance in Super he's a shoe in.
Yes, he just gained relevance even though this game was likely in development for a year before he was even a thought of being in Super.

>Yamcha has always heen around and was major for over half the series
He has WFF and Sokidan. Sokidan is going to be a Super Special, and WFF at best is a rekka. Really nothing special over any one else that's a guaranteed lock. And he's not a fan favorite, he's the meme of the show.

>Raditz was the very first villian
Raditz was the precursor to the Saiyan Saga, which was led by Vegeta. Raditz has nothing that warrants him to enter.

>Dabura is the only villian of the Buu saga who isn't Buu and has really unique attacks
Fire and spit? Yeah, I like Dabura, he "could" be cool, but there isn't much to pull from in the source. What would he do anyway?

>Vegetto is better than Gogeta
How exactly? You like cocky fuckers with earrings? He doesn't do anything aside from gloat about his power: "oh, buu, can you start trying? oh you were, lol my bad bro!" I fail to see how that's better than Gogeta's get shit done attitude, he's basically an always serious Goku, which imo is better than a super cocky Vegeta.
>serious Goku
That's still a personality btw, you don't have to have over zealous and flanderized traits to have a personality.

>Cooler is more popular
Possibly, he had 2 movies, yeah, but if anything the cooler who will get in is Meta Cooler as he had all the juicy techniques and his movie was the one that showed in American theaters, he's the popular one, not spiky cooler.

>more likely than Janemba
Reminder that it is popularity and uniqueness. Going by potential as a character, Janemba DESERVES the spot more than 5th Form Cooler does. 5th Form Cooler has like 1 move unique to himself, Janemba has all sorts of reality warping shit. There's 0 chance arcsys would look at Janemba's moveset and then pick Cooler's.

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>>381339471

>>381337796

>No SSJ4

Coolest transfirmation and you don't want it in.

Holy shit the comparison with SSJ Blue is so unfair it's ridiculous. What a shitty recolor.

>>381339630
Never happened, sorry.

>>381322213
>Mai, and the universe 6 Saiyan girls
Kill yourself.

>>381339539
Well, now he has to be in the game.

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>>381339984
Superior Saiyan girl right here.

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>>381340149
wrong pic

>>381339396
>Vegito will always be better
Vegito is practically Mystic Gohan 2.0. Asspull power up, stupidly OP, and lolstomps Super Buu just because he can. The only difference is that Vegito got lucky that because his strength was so high and he was practically magical that he kept his consciousness and power after being turned into candy(which is the most fucking stupid thing in all of DB, I'd take SSJ4 over candy plot any day). They both lost in the end as Gohan got raped by Buutenks, and Vegito defused, and then they both caused Buu to change form once again into a more evil Buu who's stronger/psychotic(kid buu wasn't stronger, but you get the idea).

His entire plot was stupid and if it weren't for Fusion Reborn, we would've gotten Gogeta in the manga anyways.

and fusion reborn is written better than the entire buu saga either way

>>381340278
Why not both?

>>381340318
>fusion reborn is written better than the entire buu saga either way
This. Buu saga scaling was idiotic. Fusion reborn pretty much picks up right when the buu saga started going downhill and fixed it up by killing buu off before he absorbed Gotenks/Gohan.

>>381339045
>Agreed, except for 17/18, it's obvious they'll both be in due to both popularity and significance. In fact, what games have one and not the other?
Holy shit, are you 12?
Even Extreme Butoden (also made by Arcsys) don't have 17, fucking moron.

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>>381339032
>SSJ Blue is so OP Hit is completely useless against it,
Except he dodged a full power Kamehameha from SSJB Goku, that's hardly completely useless.

>Black is completely useless against it once Vegeta trains
Again not really, Vegeta had the upper hand but Black was still able to block some of his blows.

>when it's "completed" Goku is actually stronger than merged Zamazu
>Goku is actually even matched against merged Zamazu
ftfy
and your pic basically show this in the first page.

>The tension and suspense is completely lost most of the time since SSB just shits on everyone that isn't Beerus.
You mean like the latest chapter where they're pretty much fucked?

>It needs a bullshit, "energy draining" weakness that doesn't make any sense in order to not make it completely broken
How is it bullshit exactly?

>>381339401
>17
Even then, 17 is more poular and signifcant than nearly ever other character that's not already on that roster who could be in his place, and again they always appear together
>Yamcha
The memes only make him more popular, and he's been with the heroes since the beginning. Just because he's memed weaksauce doesn't mean he's not relevant.
>Raditz
Ya got me there, but being a first enemy has some reveance
>Dabura
For one, he has a sword on top of all that. Having that sword out at all times gives them a lot to work with, especially in a mostly hand to hand fighting game.
>Vegetto is obviously better
Well, for one, Vegetto actually appeared in the series? And if you think Vegetto's bravado was just him being a dick, then you need to watch the series again. Or at the very least, stop watching shit dub. And "serious" Goku is not a personality, since we've seen Goku be serious plenty of times outside of Super.
>Cooler is obviously more popular and is consistantly picke over Janemba
Budokai 3 case and point. Him having multiple movies and appearing in GT and Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans while Janemba only appears in a single movie case and point. And Janemba is a non character, just an excuse for Goku/Vegeta to fuse. He has no personality or motivation to speak of, he just screams like a retard. He has no real reason as to why he's stronger than Buu... He's just Kid Buu lite.

>>381339630
SSB and SSJ4 are both shit, but SSB is actually relevant and can be used as a pallete swap unlike SSJ4. Only Z's transformations should have existed in the first place, but the original SSG has a great design.

>>381340648
In favor of 3 separate adult Gokus and 3 Gohans, two of which are adults? This obviously isn't sovelware like Extreme Butoden.

>>381341328
>sovelware
Why does it seem like no one around here knows what that actually means?

>>381322252


Dragon Ball Z is so shitty, the only thing in the series that matters is who is stronger than who and there is NO actual metric in determining how or what makes someone stronger that is visible to the audience because no matter HOW blue someone's hair gets or how much they "increase their power" they're all still just throwing the same punches and fireballs they were 20 years ago. So fucking boring, nothing that happens means anything, not even within the context of the show. Vegeta is the second strongest central character now, has achieved "GOD LIKE" power and he's still jobbing to literally everyone because that's just the way this show works.

JFC.

>>381340318
Wow, Fusion Reborn looks good and has good fights, but seriously? All movies are excuse plots that basically reenact what we see in the series except for Battle of Gods. Janemba is a rip off of Buu, Gogeta is basically adult Gotenks in design and barely says a thing. He retains nothing of Goku/Vegeta's personality because Goku/Vegeta would never say what little of what Gogeta does say. And boom, in his next appearance, he's flanderized Vegetto.
>>381340580
Must be hard being a Gogetacuck, and prefering personalityless flash over actual story and characterization.

>>381340725
>17
Ultimate Battle 22, and Extreme Butoden(the last DBZ game ArcSys worked on) featured 18 and not 17. 17 wasn't even in the Buu saga until Toriyama made a split decision to put him in instead of Launch.
>Yamcha
Yamcha did nothing in the Namek saga, nothing in the Android/Cell saga, and did nothing in the Buu saga. He has 1 cool move and 1 interesting move. Please tell me why he deserves a spot.
>Raditz
I agree, and I like him.
>Dabura
Yeah, but I can tell you that manga-wise, there's not enough to pull from to make his moveset. His fight with Gohan was so short he has like 3 techniques and 1 actual hand-to-hand attack.
>Vegito is obviously worse
I read the manga dude, I don't know or care about how Vegito acted in the anime, in the manga it was literally just him being so fucking strong that he was making fun of Buu.
>“Hey, hey! What’s the matter!? My legs alone are more than enough to deal with the likes of you!”
>“What’s the matter? You’ve gone mute…Anyway, this isn’t remotely fun. I wish you’d fight seriously…Or were you serious, and this was how you ended up? In that case, I shouldn’t have said that. My apologies."
Yeah, we've seen Goku serious, but Goku has always had some sort of emotion going on. Gogeta shows only determination, and he's the only character to do that. I didn't mean to say he's exactly like serious Goku, but he does pull from that trait. And I personally prefer someone who gets the job done instead of someone who acts like Vegito. But this part is pure opinion, and I can't convince you otherwise. Agree to disagree?
>Cooler
Janemba was in IW though. And Shin Budokai is based on Janemba, the entire fucking story. When did Cooler appear in GT? Was it even significant? Also Eradicate the saiyans? That "special"(actually cutscenes from an old rpg game in the 90s) takes place right after Broly and Cell, obviously it wouldn't feature Janemba who shows up over 7 years later.
>personality
(cont.)

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>>381340580
It was not idiotic, Toriyama literally fucked his "Z" fanbase who wanted a serious story with dumb power level, that's why Mystic Gohan, SSJ3, Fusion and Potara are useless. Buu Saga is more like Dragon Ball than anything we got between the arrival of Raditz and the end of Cell.

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>>381340725
>personality
He does have a personality. He's childlike like Fat Buu, except more so. Super Janemba doesn't actual scream as much as you seem to think, rarely actually.
>Kid Buu lite
He came out before Kid Buu.
Saying he's Kid Buu lite is like saying Pikkon is a Piccolo clone even though Pikkon had that personality before Piccolo did.

>>381340725
>And Janemba is a non character, just an excuse for Goku/Vegeta to fuse. He has no personality or motivation to speak of, he just screams like a retard. He has no real reason as to why he's stronger than Buu... He's just Kid Buu lite.
>people want him for his moveset not personality

>>381342195
People call Pikkon a Piccolo clone because he looks like fucking Piccolo lite you retard.

>>381342195
How the fuck did Pikkon have that Personality before Piccolo? Even Goku, in the actual show, mentions "Oh so you're like Piccolo". And Jenemba: starts off fat, turns into a stronger skinny screaming retard. Which is exactly what Buu did, but Buu actually has a personality.

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>>381323979

>>381325120
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>>381326215
>>381342541
were there any other dragonball z comics besides metal cooler?

>>381341002

>SSJ4
>Shit

I'm so glad you're not my son.

>>381341828
>All movies are excuse plots that basically reenact what we see in the series except for Battle of Gods
Yeah, and Fusion Reborn was one of the few that did it better than the canon counterparts. Literally nothing after Mystic Gohan was necessary, and that's exactly where Fusion Reborn takes place(or after Gotenks, it's up in the air).

>Gogeta is basically adult Gotenks
No, really? What the fuck was he supposed to look like? The only difference between him and Vegito is the fact that Gogeta has the widows peak and 1 less bang. Vegito is basically SSJ2 Goku with inverted clothing and white gloves.

>barely says a thing
Why the fuck would he be talking while he's fighting and trying to fucking kill a demon? He already said everything that was necessary to say. "I'll avenge pikkon." "Janemba you're gonna die." Anything more than that would be pointless.

>He retains nothing of Goku/Vegeta's personality because Goku/Vegeta would never say what little of what Gogeta does say
Bullshit. SSJ3 Goku was semi-serious against Fat Buu and never talked while whooping his ass. SSJ3 Goku also fought Janemba right before he fused and spoke just as little as Gogeta did, he only started thinking to himself more because HE started getting sliced up by Janemba's sword. It's a fucking fight, they aren't going to be talking considering Janemba can't fucking speak.

>personalityless flash over actual story and characterization.
Characterization =/= good writing. Just because a character has a personality doesn't mean it's a good one.

You're points aren't even that great to be honest.

>>381323979
Dead Zone, World's Strongest, Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, Bojack Unbound, Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon all have some merit and are good, but have no impact on the series at large. Battle of Gods is amazing and impacts the series im a big way. However, Ressurection F was the beginning of the downfall of the series that is Super. Watch if you want to get into Super.

>>381342829
Oh, and Cooler's Revenge.

>>381341002
>slim Kaioken
>great
Opinion discarded

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>>381337796
Postan mine.

>>381341002
>SSJ4
>bad

>SSG
>good

I'd tell you to kill yourself but honestly it's probably crueler for you to just live your miserable life.

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Since Dragon Ball is lacking in female fighters, guess we will have to get loli Chi-Chi

>>381342358
>looks like fucking Piccolo lite
If it weren't for green skin, he'd look nothing like piccolo.

Pikkon has:
>Different ears
>No nose
>Different mouth
>5 fingers, Piccolo has 4
>Actual iris, Piccolo only has pupils.

They don't look anything alike aside from being green.

>>381342437
Goku says that because Pikkon wore weighted clothing, and Goku even goes further to mention that Piccolo also got him worked up too. He says nothing and implies nothing about their personalities.

>>381343508
>Goku only said that because he's like Piccolo
wow great observation

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>>381340278
>>381340149
God damn, why do the shitty U6 bitches have to be so shitty and scrawny in comparison?

>>381342787
>Muh Gogeta, muh Fusion Reborn
It's an okay movie, but it's an excuse plot. The actual series had character development for Vegeta and Mr. Satan, plus actually resolves the series. But nah stay on that Gogetadick
>Vegetto looks like SSJ2 Goku
And yet his design is still more orignal than Gogeta. Plus he has Vegeta's sharper features and his outfit mixes the two.
>Barely says a thing
Nearly every other character would have something to say, maybe comfort the kid? Maybe something beyond "I AM NIETHER GOKU NOR VEGETA, I WILL DESTROY YOU WITH RIGHTOUS FURY", he sounds like the generic super hero that neither Goku nor Vegeta are. Vegetto is a much more realistic mix of their personalities
>He ratains no personality
If you watched the dub and have no interest in Kai or the japanese version you won't ever understand Goku or Vegeta's personalities so I won't bother explaining, nor Vegetto's actual goal in goading Buu into absorbing him.

And, yes, chatacterization does equal good writing because the story revolves around characters. Keep reaching.

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>>381343415
Teen Bulma or bust.

>>381343706
nuToriyama art style is garbage

No Kid Goku, no buy.

>>381343675
False equivalency. The idea behind >>381342437 is that Pikkon and Piccolo are similar in personality, yet Goku says they're similar ONLY because they both use weighting clothing. Going by this logic, Goku and Piccolo and also clones because they both used weighted clothing at once point.

You're a dumbass.

>>381343415

Why did she grow up to be such a bitch?
Hell, even Dragonball Adult Chi-Chi was fine as fuck.

>>381339032
The manga has gone so far into asspull territory I don't like it anymore

>>381342964
>>381343338
Red does not equal Kaioken. SSG is a simple transformation like the original SSJ, with subtle differences. Red eyes with pupils, softened features, red hair with SSJ bangs, leaner muscle. SSJ4 is a textbook case of being overdesigned, even moreso than SSJ3, which is as complicated as those transformations should have went.

>>381330692
It's a fighting game not a sim

>>381343415
She makes me rock hard, but nah.

>>381332265
If there's no story mode, I will be so fucking happy. ASW has a track record of making SP modes for the normies, so they'll probably have something like Abyss mode, or whatever it was in Ultimax, so that should quiet them down.

But no story means there's less chance of delay and "early 2018" might actually fucking mean early 2018.

>>381343946
It's just a shitty recolor with no relation to the race it's supposed to be a god form of whereas SSj4 at least tried to connect back to an aspect of saiyans

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>>381343025
My nigga

>>381343946
How exactly is SSJ4 overdesigned? It's pretty fucking simple, it's just a fusion of man-form and Oozaru form. It's literally more like a "true saiyan" form of harmony between man and beast.

If you honestly think that the lazy recolour of DYEL Goku and the concept of "everyone hold hands and wish for Goku to be really strong" is somehow better than that you simply shouldn't be voicing opinions on anything at all.

>>381343942
>Toeicucks actually believe this
Cause the anime is so much better right? I just love how Trunks got an uber power up literally from nowhere, or how 17 was on par with SSB Goku from training in the forest for a little. Shut the fuck up the manga is the best iteration of Super and just because "muh hakai asspull" it was no different from how Goku learned the kamehameha, but I doubt you'd even know that. Kill yourself Toeifag.

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>>381343706
either way they are good for bullying

>>381344231
It's not a recolor at all, but I see what you're saying with the ape aspect. But in all seriously, only the original SSJ (and Gohan's SSJ2) have any sort of foreshadowing in the series and in saiyan lore. Everything else seems to have not existed before Goku achieved it one after the other, and is out of nowhere. Not only that, but SSJ4 has no feat of strength beyond SSJ1 and who he fights as SSJ4 have no reason to be that strong, which is a problem with GT as a whole.

>>381343874
You're trying really hard to isolate the weighted clothes part like it's their only common feature.

Are you, perhaps, pretending to be retarded?

>>381341002

>SSJ4
>Shit

I'm so glad you're not my son.

>>381323979
The World's Strongest was surprisingly rad.

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>>381343946
>SSJ4 is a textbook case of being overdesigned
Wanna know how I know you have shit opinions? Because even the creator of the manga loved the design for SSJ4, and officially endorsed it. Pic related is by Toriyama.

SSJ4 should be a canon transformation, because the design is too good to drop. It embodies everything about the Saiyan lore. Too bad it's stuck in a shit show.

>>381344658
Which is something to hold against GT, not SSj4 itself

>>381344481
>Bright pink/red fur all over the body
>Bright yellow pants
>red eyeliner
>long, black rockstar hair that goes everywhere and looks like nothing before it
>always shirtless, the transformation is so strong it destorys shirts but but he pants are magic
>also ages Goku forward somehow
>isn't a match for some dragons made from shenron, who King Piccolo killed or two 17s fused together without magic
Yeah, it's overdesigned and makes no sense

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>>381337796
>Tao
>shit tier

>>381343708
>but it's an excuse plot.
How so? I don't see it.
>The actual series had character development for Vegeta and Mr. Satan, plus actually resolves the series.
Did you even watch the movie? Vegeta did have character development in it. He thought that he was big and bad because nothing a mortal can feel could compare to his experience in hell, then we he realizes that even though they're both dead, Goku is still above him by leagues, he cries his eyes out. This is also a set amount of time after Majin Vegeta sacrifices himself. All sorts of characterization right there.

>Mr. Satan
Joke character gets characterization? Fucking when does he get any AFTER mystic Gohan arrives, because that's literally where the movie builds itself off from.

>actually resolves the series.
How fucking so? Goku kills the final enemy with a genki dama? Wow, that's great, but that literally goes against the entirety of the Buu saga. The only reason why Kid Buu even exists was because Goku wanted Goten and Trunks to watch over Earth, he himself admitted that he is dead and shouldn't be the one to look after Earth anymore, which is literally the fucking case in Fusion Reborn.

>And yet his design is still more orignal than Gogeta
No fucking duh. Gogeta is derived from Fusion, he's supposed to look like an older Gotenks. You act as if Gogeta was supposed to look completely special and unmatched. Nigga he's literally Gotenks' father, and made by the same Fusion technique. Shitty fucking argument.
>Plus he has Vegeta's sharper features
I'm not even

>maybe comfort the kid
The kid saw a fucking ripped dude who had atleast like 1 foot and a half over him, he's just going to run after him? The determined character who gets shit done is going to suffer from stupid comic relief after just saving the fucking afterlife? That's the retarded writing that fucked over GT. Glad you're not on story board.

>he sounds like the generic super hero that neither Goku nor Vegeta are
fucking (cont.)

>>381344520
>I just love how Trunks got an uber power up literally from nowhere
You mean like how he has the asspull of "Supreme Kai's in Training have magical healing abilities but we never mentioned it until now"

>how 17 was on par with SSB Goku from training in the forest for a little.

You do understand Goku was most certainly holding back against him right? Shit He held back against Gohan in Ultimate who had to beg him to fight at full power

>because "muh hakai asspull" it was no different from how Goku learned the kamehameha
Learning something that an old man can do just by watching is different then learning it from a fucking God

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>>381322252

>>381345052
>>381343708

>he sounds like the generic super hero that neither Goku nor Vegeta are
First of all your quote isn't even in the movie. In the movie he claims he will avenge Pikkon(Something I can totally see Goku saying), and he basically says "Janemba, I'm going to kill you" except in a more serious way. You're making him sound like Superman or some shit, when he's fucking not, and it's not even implied.

>Vegetto is a much more realistic mix of their personalities
As much as I disagree, as Vegetto acts nothing like either of them do, if it was true and I was wrong, that sitll wouldn't make him a better character. Just because he's "more realistic" doesn't make him better, he still has a shitty personality.

>If you watched the dub and have no interest in Kai or the japanese version you won't ever understand Goku or Vegeta's personalities so I won't bother explaining, nor Vegetto's actual goal in goading Buu into absorbing him.
Are you damaged? I don't watch the fucking anime, I read the fucking manga. I know Vegito's personality like the back of my fucking hand. Stop watching that shitty filler and read the manga.
>inb4 anime
obviously i watched the movies

>chatacterization does equal good writing because the story revolves around characters
Good writing doesn't equate to a good story. I could write beautifully and craft sentences with pure elegance, that doesn't mean my story is any less boring or the characters are actually more relatable.

>>381345002
What is with people and SSj4's pants?

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>>381337796
>no Mr. Popo

what a faggot

>>381344714
Toriyama did draw SSJ4 at request but did not design it. And no, nothing after Uub, MAYBE Battle of Gods should be canon because the writing is terrible and the story has been finished for years.

>>381344684

I like the era of movies that came from because they actually had decent fight choreography and people weren't just flying all over the place.

Goku was actually doing some Chinese kung fu shit.

>>381345002
>long, black rockstar hair that goes everywhere and looks like nothing before it


It's literally a longer, wilder version of Goku/Vegeta's hair. You're just being stupid.

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>>381320148
I'm excited about the fights and hopefully this making it to EVO

I'm a Kakarot fan boy but I always liked Cell's attitude.

Maining Cell, Goku and Kid Buu if they put him in. If not, Vegeta.

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>>381329807
where is my boy pui pui?

he had expanded brain power and nigga lips

>>381345002
>>always shirtless, the transformation is so strong it destorys shirts but but he pants are magic
>>also ages Goku forward somehow
>>isn't a match for some dragons made from shenron, who King Piccolo killed or two 17s fused together without magic
These three have nothing to do with character design you moron.

The eyeliner and fur are to match the Ozaru, Yellow and Red are complimentary colors, and the hair is just as nonsensical as Goku's normal hair, it's just longer abd wilder. In fact, if you compare the two, it's easy to see how SSJ4 Goku's hair is based off his original hairstyle.

Also, lorewise, this transformation is most in line with what a LSSJ would be. It sure as fuck makes more sense than the Golden Spiky hair for no reason. Especially if you remember that the LSSJ was originally shown to be a Golden Ozaru, which... what do you know, is a precursor to SSJ4, aka, the controlled version of that state.

>>381345293
He didn't draw it at request, he drew it cause he loved the design.

>>381344671
see >>381343508
Common features? You mean green skin and no eyebrows? Other than that, they don't look the same. And Goku wasn't talking about looks, he was referring to the weighted clothing and the tournament fight.

I change my stance, and I also really want to see how Pikkon acts like Piccolo. Budokai and Saiyan Saga Piccolo don't act like Pikkon. Namek Piccolo doesn't act like Pikkon. Cell Piccolo maybe acts like Pikkon in a certain environment, although Piccolo always showed more energy than Pikkon and more emotion. Buu Piccolo doesn't act like Pikkon either. So can someone explain how Pikkon is a clone?

>>381345002
Nothing about this is overdesigned.

In fact half of these don't even have to do with the aesthetic at all.

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>>381345140

>>381345002
>>also ages Goku forward somehow
Retardedest think I've read.

SSJ4 is Golden Oozaru but in a humanoid form. It's not an actual SSJ stage, but Goku calls it SSJ4 out of simplicity. Has nothing to do with making him an adult, it's actually just growing out his bones like Oozaru normally does.

>>381345192
They're homofags who want to see Goku's flopping monkey cock while fighting.

>>381345758
Actually, what IS the Golden Ozaru form supposed to be? I never gave GT a proper watch.

>>381344671
>it's their only common feature.
Being a vaguely similar look? Pikkon isn't a Piccolo clone. His attitude is similar to Piccolo's when he's neutral, but Pikkon and Piccolo have different personalities.

>>381345758
What...? You're retarded. For one, Vegeta doesn't "grow out his bones" as a SSJ4. GT's explanation is that SSJ4 is so strong that wish magic has no effect on it, which is nonsense.

>>381345945
It's basically Oozaru as an SSJ. And when you look at numbers(canon or not, who cares) Oozaru is 10x and SSJ is 50x, so combine them and you get Golden Oozaru, and condense that into a human body and you get SSJ4's power.

My only beef with the SSJ4 design is the fur color. The pink doesn't suit it that much in my opinion, and the red is a bit too bright.

>>381345758
>SSJ4 is Golden Oozaru but in a humanoid form
If that's the official explanation I'm surprised Vegeta didn't find it by accident. All he had to do was go Oozaru while SSJ and boom, he instantly blows the entire DBZ cast out of the water.

>>381346076
Oh god, and you called me retarded.

It's quite obvious that Vegeta doesn't grow because he's already an adult humanoid. SSJ4 is not a powered up state of SSJ. SSJ4 is a body type like Oozaru, that's why Goku grows into the type and Vegeta doesn't, because Vegeta is already there.

>inb4 Vegeta is shorter than goku, so it isn't a body type
Please don't be this retarded.

>>381346076
>Vegeta doesn't "grow out his bones" as a SSJ4

Yes he does.

When he gets exposed to the Blutz waves he grows into an Oozaru form, then contracts into a man form, just like Goku does.

>>381346256
Vegeta has never been Super Saiyan and had a tail at the same time.

>>381346076
>GT's explanation is that SSJ4 is so strong that wish magic has no effect on it
And then these niggas think that Candy Vegito was great writing and made sense.
>b-but muh magic earrings
just go back to /a/ with that shit.

>>381346302
Did you read my post, you faggot? GT literally states that that's how it works, even if the explaination is nonsense. Your explaination is fanfiction.

>>381346319
>Vegeta has never been Super Saiyan and had a tail at the same time.
Yeah, but still. If you had both of those forms wouldn't you want to see what happens when you combine them? I find it hard to believe that he never questioned this in all the years of training.

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>>381320148
OL AT ALL THE CASUALS THINKING THIS GAME WILL HAVE 30 CHARACTERS OR MORE BY ITS RELEASE!

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU CASUAL CHUMPS!

This is an arkys game and considering this game is a 3v3 game, it will hvae 18-20 max for its first game and then Arkys will slowly add more over time like they have done with most of there past titles!
Especially since its suppose to come out at the beginning of next year during the spring

18 characters alone can give us 6 different team combos and that's a good start amount

So is Gogeta a full-on stick-up-his-ass serious business bore, and Vegito becomes an asshole? Or how are they different?

>>381346521
Vegeta couldn't do it for the same reasons Goku couldn't. Remember, both of them had tails at some point.

>>381346432
Candy Vegetto was pure Toriyama silliness, after all he wrote Dr. Slump and loves goofy things... The people who wrote GT where complete different people.

>>381346508
>GT literally states that that's how it works
How what works? Your post makes no fucking sense.
>Vegeta doesn't grow his bones
>GT says SSJ4 is strong enough to ignore magic
Those two statements have no equivalency without context.

SSJ4 is a body type, it's literally Oozaru in a more human-like form. Goku grows because he isn't at that fucking body type.
>why did kid goku get taller when he went great ape? shouldn't he just stay at his normal size? that's so stupid
^That's literally what you're fucking saying right now.

>>381346521
>If you had both of those forms wouldn't you want to see what happens when you combine them?
Vegeta never had SSJ and a tail at the same time. Unless you're forgetting, the only reason why Goku got a tail WAS to go SSJ4, that's what Old Kai was trying to do. Vegeta only got his tail because the Bludtz waves grew it back for him, and then he literally went SSJ Oozaru right afterwards. You're confused right now anon.

>>381346736
Please watch the show before posting.
GT stated that the reason Goku transforms into an adult after the SSJ4 transformation (great ape need no apply, he only goes through it once to achieve SSJ4) is because SSJ4 is so strong that wish magic doesn't affect it, that's exactly what GT states, please kill yourself.

>>381345945
>>381346120
It's also triggered by a particular kind of radiation given off when the sun's light bounces off the Earth IIRC. Goku & Baby-possessed Vegeta fight on the moon or something, the see the "Full Earth" and both go Golden Oozaru, but only Goku is able to condense it into SSJ4.

Later on Vegeta just has Bulma invent a machine that creates artificial versions of the same waves so he can go SSJ4 too. It's kind of stupid but at least Bulma does something.

>>381346626
Vegetto was pretending to be an asshole for the sake of getting Buu desperate enough to absorb him

>>381346626
Gogeta gets work done. I wouldn't say he's extremely serious as in he has no emotion, because he chuckles at the end of the movie, but he doesn't play with his food like Vegito does.

Vegito puts down his opponents verbally in a passive aggressive way with full consciousness of what he's doing. He's like that really annoying friend who can't stop being sarcastic and gloating about his accomplishments that were given to him and not earned.

Why did this thread devolve into GT, SSJ4 and Gogetafag shitposting? They have nothing to do with what we've seen in the game.

>>381346959
>GT stated that the reason Goku transforms into an adult after the SSJ4 transformation (great ape need no apply, he only goes through it once to achieve SSJ4) is because SSJ4 is so strong that wish magic doesn't affect it, that's exactly what GT states, please kill yourself.
Please link me to that original Dub that states this.

>>381346656
>>381346870
I was under the impression tails grew back and they just simply cut them to avoid unwanted transformations, but they apparently do not. My mistake.

>>381347097
>Vegetto was pretending to be an asshole
This is never stated in the manga. Buu absorbed him because there was nothing else to do. Vegito wanted that, yes, but he never mentions acted like an ass to serve that goal. That's headcanon.

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>>381345202
no niggers

>>381347251
Do it yourself, you lazy faggot. I'm not spoonfeed you. GT in its entirety is 20 bucks on amazon.

Oh, and the dub is not accurate and shouldn't be used to gauge accuracy. But even the dub states that.

>>381347157
People aren't sure how much non-Z stuff will be in the game or if there will be fusions playable. When roster discussion (all we have now that what little gameplay analysis that can be done has been) comes to those uncertainties, people talk shit about GT & Super and their characters and why they would be good or bad inclusions or if they're likely or whatever.

Until we get more info this is what most threads will end up being in varying degrees (well, that and the stuff about a Switch version which is obvious and only hasn't been announced so it won't take any shine from the XV2 Switch port) unless we get a thread that talks only about gameplay for once, but with a big licensed game like this roster discussion will be king.

Can't say I'm not still hype though.

>>381347392
Nah, they grow back for children, but not for adults. There's even a scene after Vegeta is in a recovery chamber from his fight with Goku, the Frieza space men say they can't grow back his tail.

>>381347443
>Here's my argument, go find my proof for me you lazy asshole.
What the literal fuck?

>and the dub is not accurate and shouldn't be used to gauge accuracy
Dude
>But even the dub states that.
I'm so fucking lost.

11/10 good bait, you fucked my brain dude.

>>381347420
Vegetto's aim the entire fight is to back Buu enough into a corner that he resorts to absorbing him so that he can save Gohan and the others. He basically thinks as much while counting down time in front of Buu

>>381347545
Nah, that's false or a mistranslation. Vegeta actually says that his tail WILL grow back eventually so he's not worried about it. Then it just never grows back.

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>arguing over DBZ "facts"

>>381347789
Yes, while that is true, that doesn't mean that being passive aggressive towards Buu will help accomplish that goal. Gohan did the same think without acting like Vegito, and he got Gotenks absorbed. Vegito just acted that way because that was his personality.

>people still don't understand Blue.

For fucks sake, its not that hard.

>SSJ burst of energy all at once, immense boost but drains energy like crazy, even after training user easily becomes aggressive and out of control (See all 4 saiyan's made at least one crucial mistake because of this). Further transformations just mean more energy less time.

>SSB, same thing but born out of peace and calm, burns more intensely but allows for full control of the users energy. They can tap all of their power without much effort. But it does burn a lot of energy.

17 and all the others are nowhere near Goku Blue. He held back against all of them. Why the fuck would he tell his future teammates "Hey you're fucking weak."

He even makes it clear that they don't need them for power as "Him and Vegeta got that covered" and how if Freeza goes out of control "Him or vegeta would beat him"

>>381347973
>Vegito just acted that way because that was his personality.
No faggot, stop watching the dub. He acted that way so Buu would try to absorb him, his first priority was saving his sons and Piccolo. His only mistake was letting his energy shield down.

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>>381345002
>hating the form which is the closest to legend of Sun Wukong
Holy shit, kill yourself.
Those DBF threads really show that there is a huge bunch of retards in the Dragon Ball fanbase.

>>381347973
>Vegetto taunting him about his inferiority while trumping him in every way won't help accomplish the goal of getting Buu desperate enough to resort to his trump card
What?

>>381348264
I'm reading the manga dude.

>He acted that way so Buu would try to absorb him
post your source

>>381347157
Rosterfags plus GTfags, not even once.

>>381348124
It's not hard to understand, it's just that Toei can't write for shit. Goku could have done all that in his base form, but Toei forces SSB wherever they can, making it look weak. And don't act like Toei is trying to write Goku as trying to make his teammates seem strong since they've wrote Goku as an idoit since Super started. He even used to life threatening SSB Kaioken just so he could overtake Mystic Gohan.

>>381348371
Most of these children are into DBZ for screaming and explosions not Eastern literature.

>>381348371
>Closest to Sun Wukong

I'm a fucking moron for never noticing that. Holy shit its so obvious fuck me haha.

>>381348383
I didn't say it wouldn't help, I said there's nothing noting that it would. My implication is that Vegito shows no signs of knowing this.

Whether or not I'm wrong, you need to prove. Vegito acts like a cocky fuckface, you say it's because of "xyz" yet "xyz" isn't stated in the manga. So I'm waiting for proof that isn't speculation.
Let me predict the next argument:
>"No you faggot, Vegito wanted Buu to absorb him, so he acted this way."
This has been restated many times already, and aside from assumption, this has not been proven, just restated as if it means anything.

>>381332265
Did you just make that up or what? They said in the IGN interview that they're working on a robust single player.

Meh, i really think they wont have clones in this game. Kid or Super Buu would be retarded when he already takes up a roster slot.

>>381348371
>Those DBF threads
DBS threads on /a/ are way worse.

I'm worried they'll leave out Roshi because he can't fly and that's kind of a central mechanic. With a character like Kid Goku or Satan you can get around that with the Nimbus or a Jetpack but Roshi has no such flying analogue.

>>381332265
Even if this was true, which it isn't. Its all I need, Fighting games are not meant to be single player.

I'll take KoF style missions and trials over single player.

>>381349053
>I'm worried they'll leave out Roshi because he can't fly and that's kind of a central mechanic. With a character like Kid Goku or Satan you can get around that with the Nimbus or a Jetpack but Roshi has no such flying analogue.
Baby Gamera

>>381349029
Here's my clone argument for many clones:

They look different in some way, they talk different, have a different attitude, and their fight styles are vastly different. Kid Buu would be a better addition than Super Buu, that's obvious, but Kid Buu isn't a clone of Super or Fat Buu.

>>381349029
Super Buu yes, but Kid and Fat Buu generally play very differently, on top of being different characters.

>>381349029
I feel the same about Gohan. We really only need Teen SSJ2 Gohan but I keep seeing people put Mystic on their rosters too. Knowing ArcSys if we do get a 2nd gohan it will be Saiyaman.

>>381349118
Oh shit you're right. My boy Roshi just might make it then

>381348562
The fact that he demonstated he clould easily destroy Buu and that Buu stood no chance. The fact that he ripped off a piece of Buu and threw it behind himself to give him t chance. Maybe the panel right before Buu absorbs him where he thinks "About time, I was beginning to think you'd never try it". Maybe the panel when Vegetto arrives inside Buu sheild intact, and states that it was his plan to save his sons and puts his shield down, causing him to defuse? Read the manga you lying fuck.

>>381349057
What I want is a top 100 style game mode from BT1. Or the modes from BT3. Just an endless survival with broken AI mechanics.

>Ranked play
>Unranked play
>Practice mode
>Arcade mode that varries from easy to extremely fucking hard

That's all I want, a story mode is just extra, I'm getting this game to fight other players, like I do with every DBZ game, I don't care about story after the first play through.

>>381349147
Fat Buu and Kid Buu is all you really need. I can see Kid Buu being a crazy rushdown character with his contortions and stretching, different enough from Fat Buu to warrant a slot of his own.

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>>381349252
>Maybe the panel right before Buu absorbs him where he thinks "About time, I was beginning to think you'd never try it". Maybe the panel when Vegetto arrives inside Buu sheild intact, and states that it was his plan to save his sons and puts his shield down, causing him to defuse?
None of that proves your stance. None of that proves that Vegito deliberately acted like a fag, all it proves was that Vegito wanted to get absorbed.

>>381348892
Vegetto makes his intentions perfectly clear by toying with Buu, announces he'd eradicate Buu when he's done counting down and was mentally urging Buu to realize absorbing him is the only shot he has during said countdown

What happened to Hyper DBZ?

>>381349616
see>>381349602
Everyone here knows Vegito wanted to get absorbed, there's proof of that and it's stated. However, there is NO proof that Vegito acted cocky to help get absorbed, that's assumption. Also, going back far, if that was Vegito's purpose(it wasn't, but iff it was), that would mean Vegito never had a personality, all he did was pretend to have a shitty one in order to get absorbed. So essentially Vegito's personality was him pretending to be someone he's not, and that someone was a cocky asshole. Wow, very in depth and characterized, much better than Gogeta! amiritechuguise?

So when do we find out the characters revealed today?

>>381349201
>seeing people put Mystic on their rosters too.
Mystic Gohan had a great move set.
In terms of techniques he was a little stale, but his fighting style is one of most interesting in the series.
I always thought they could do a SSJ Adult Gohan that has Future Gohan's techniques, and Mystic Gohan's combat style, and give him a mystic install.

Saiyaman doesn't have much source material to pull from unless you give him Gohan's Budokai and Dabura fight style.

>>381350014
Who said anything about whether or not he's better than Gogeta. The whole point here is that Vegetto was deliberately acting like a dick to further his goal of riling up Buu to the point he'd resort to his trump card. The entire point of the fight for him is to push Buu into a corner and Buu's an emotional shithead with an ego, so how wouldn't taunting him about his inferiority help accomplish that?

>>381350541
>Who said anything about whether or not he's better than Gogeta.
Read the rest of the thread, that's the only reason why Vegito was even brought up into discussion.

>The whole point here is that Vegetto was deliberately acting like a dick to further his goal of riling up Buu
No, the whole point is that no one has proven this.

>so how wouldn't taunting him about his inferiority help accomplish that?
I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying that it isn't stated that it was. You are ASSUMING that Vegito acted that way on purpose, even though there is no EVIDENCE that suggests you are true. It makes sense if it were to be true because it's a plausible outcome, but that doesn't mean that it IS true. Do you get it?

I know it's a long shot but I'm really hoping for Raditz

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>>381337796
>Android 17fags
ArcSys is choosing based on moveset potential. What does he bring that 18 doesn't?

>>381350940
>the whole point is that no one has proven this
>there's no evidence
Other than the entire fight itself, Vegetto's actions, his own thoughts and how the fight turns out. But none of that matters to you because Toriyama didn't slap intentionally being a dick on every panel when everything Vegetto does indicates just that.

REPEAT AFTER ME

NO PUI PUI

NO BUY

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>>381351464
>mfw 16 gets in instead of 17
And here I thought I'd never get to play as Sentinel in a Marvel game again.

>>381351574
You have literally 0 proof. Your argument is just an assumption.

I've read the fight numerous times, and nowhere does it state or imply that Vegito acted like a dick on purpose. You keep saying he did, but you haven't proved it. Your entire argument is literally just: "Vegito wanted Buu to absorb him, so it MAKES SENSE that he would act like a dick." That does not mean he acted like a dick for that reason, that's not how evidence works.

>People actually want Mystic Gohan in
Why? He'd just be another shoto/Goku clone, there's 3 of them already.

>>381351464
>>381352017
It's gonna be great when you guys get blown the fuck out. I'm gonna savor every moment. It's so obvious 17 is going to be in.

>>381352445
I don't mind 17 at all, he's cool. I just want 16 & 18 first, especially 16.

>>381352257
Ya can't teach a fag who doesn't want to learn.

The Gogetacuck doesn't listen to reason, he only thinks of the next time he can suck Gogetadick. And since it's been so long and Gogeta never makes official appearances in the anime, so they're going through withdrawal. They cannot enjoy the series without the presence of Gogeta or SSJ4. They are to be pitied.

>>381352257
>nowhere does it imply
Other than his actions, his thoughts and the fact that once he's realized his barrier prevented him from being absorbed, he's about to get right down to business and find the others when he defuses.

>>381352362
Because these threads are full of casualniggers who can't grasp what ASW is trying to do with this game. They're the same people who will drop the game within a week because it's too hard despite being simplified to an extreme degree.

>>381352362
-Goku
-Vegeta
-Gohan
-Frieza
-Cell
-Majin Buu

-Future Trunks (SSJ)
-Piccolo
-Gotenks (SSJ)
-18
-Krillin
-Tien
-Videl
-Vegito (SSJ)
-Broly (LSSJ)
-Bardock (Base form)
-Beerus
-
-
-
-

Imho these are the characters that are pretty much going to be in. You could even take out Vegito, Videl, Bardock, and maybe Beerus. But as it stands, there are 4 slots left. In all honesty, who would you pick?

For me:
-Kid Goku
-Janemba
-Hit
-16

>>381322213
>Mai, and the universe 6 Saiyan girls
Why do people keep acting like the roster is going to be big enough to accommodate characters like these ones?

>>381353012
>Other than his actions
No they don't. You still haven't proved anything yet. You keep saying that his actions prove "this", that his plan to get absorbed proves "that," yet you haven't actually proved anything.

>he's about to get right down to business and find the others when he defuses.
This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. The argument is:
>"whether or not Vegito deliberately acted like a dick to get absorbed."
The argument is NOT:
>"whether or not Vegito wanted to get absorbed."

Those are two completely different subjects. There's nothing in the manga that suggests Vegito acted the way he did(personality wise) to get absorbed. In fact, if this was the case, it would mean that somewhere in the manga Vegito has a personality that doesn't involve him being a dick or he was implied to have a personality like such, because your argument claims he isn't really a dick, he's just pretending.

There is still zero(0) proof
>>381352801
stop being an idiot.

>>381353687
>this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand
Other than being a case of Vegetto cutting the shit and getting right to the task at hand rather than dicking around like a dick
>there's nothing in the manga that suggests
Ignoring you just shooting down everything with NUH-UH

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I don't care who else is in the game as long as I can make the Reject Renegade
>Raditz
>Yamcha
>Launch?

screencap this:

-Future Trunks
-Picollo
-Gotenks
-18
-Krilin
-Beerus
-Tien
-Kid Buu or Super Buu
-Mystic Gohan
-Vegito
-Broly(DLC)
-Yamcha
-16
-19 or 17
-Dabura
-Ginyu
-Nappa or Recoome
-Roshi

>too easy

>>381354227
Dude, there's still 0 proof right now. You haven't posted evidence or even tried to prove your claim. You just keep restating it and trying to use a vague implication as to why it should be a fact.

>>381322252
Recap movies when?

Leaks when?

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>commentator does an over 9000 joke

Bring my boy Future Trunks into it.

>>381355572
>I need Vegetto to flat out say "I'm pretending to be a dick to get Buu riled up with the intent of furthering my goal of getting him desperate enough to absorb me" because I need to be spoonfed a character's intent because his actions do not do enough to imply it when they actually do
Ok anon

>>381341816
>>381333279
>>381322401
the reason he got fucked is becuase ssb is a form that takes an assload of stamina to use, and he activated it, deactivated it, and activated it again in a pretty short amound of time, fucking him up in the fight with the TIME SKIPPING FUCKING INTERGALACTIC ASSASSIN, who is specifically effective against those slightly weaker than him at the moment. if vegeta wasnt showing off to cabba, then he would tottally be able to take hit.

>>381355572
>>381354227
Both of you are wrong in a sense.

Vegetto did try to provoke Boo into absorbing him, and him acting the way he did did directly help, as stated it made Boo mad. But Vegetto's personality stays consistent until the very end when he's worried that Boo won't get the hint. Also Vegetto acts the same in DBS, in both the anime and manga, so it's clear cut that Vegetto's personality is just cocky when neutral.

So the original >>381347097
>Vegetto was pretending to be an asshole for the sake of getting Buu desperate enough to absorb him
Is incorrect. Being an asshole helped Vegetto get absorbed, but Vegetto is in fact an asshole, he wasn't pretending.

Now both of you shut the fuck up because it's quite obvious that neither of you read the fucking manga.

>>381356863
>is becuase ssb is a form that takes an assload of stamina to use, and he activated it, deactivated it, and activated it
Wasn't this only in the manga?

Ive always thought vegito is way cooler than gogeta myself. Although I wouldnt mind seeing both in the game.

Personally I think vegito is way more unique than gogeta as well. I think the only reason people like gogeta over vegito is because he had a movie dedicated to him(where he showed up for 2 mins but...)and it was drawn well. Where as durning the anime vegito had a bunch of his episodes drawn by the "shitty" team which made him look kinda lame and not as cool in that sense.

I think he has a better chance of being in the game as well since hes actually a cannon character, and I think they could easily make him different to say. He could say his classic sorta lines like I only need my feet to beat you. He could fight with mostly kicks ya know that whole thing. Spirit sword, final kamehameha, blah blah he has a lot of unique attacks and I think he is just much more aesthetically pleasing to look at than gogeta.

The idea that gogeta gets down to business is nerd nonsense. The movies are only like a hour long, that was the time limit of the movie, he showed up at the end, of course he went straight to the finish. I mean dont be silly. As for vegito not getting down to business before they rewrite the whole earing novelty in super, fusion vegito was a permanent so he could be around as long as he wants. Which adds to the lure of the character because of how much vegeta doesnt want to be part of goku. So the fact that originally he SHOULD have been forever, adds to dynamic of the character. He was also purposely waiting for buu to realize he left part of his body there to be absorbed.

Anyway I get why people like gogeta, since the only time he was shown he had a good animation team drawing him etc. But at the end of the day he showed up for 2 mins, and is not even a cannon character so the arguments for him are pretty silly.

>>381357313
oh yeah, the anime had the gay beam clashes instead. i didnt watch anything in super that the manga didnt already cover

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Red corners are DLC

>>381357921
>secret
games don't do this any more, cause it is fucking annoying

>>381358204
It's not...

>>381358204
Blazblue locked Susanoo behind story mode if that has any merit, so Arcsys could do something like that again.

>>381320148
Assuming there's more than just gold Frieza and SSB:
>Zamasu
>Hit
>Future Trunks or Doc
>>381322252
>teleports behind u
Hit's fight and by extension super is so retarded, but I love it.

>>381357921
this is the most wrong roster ive ever seen
>android 16 but not 17/18
>wasting slots on chi-chi and satan
>no super buu
>but ginyu and dabura get a slot
>SSB vegito and not super saiyan vegito
>roshi and tao not the dlc characters
>kid goku
>both fusion zamas and goku black

>>381358291
Yes it is. If I want to play a character I don't want to play some shitty story mode, even worse for tourney set ups

>>381358382
He is also DLC, which is how 90% of people will get him.

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>>381343740
Milf Bulma a best.

>>381358204
>>381358382
I really hope Vegito is super hard if he's the secret dude, like harder then pretty much everything we've gotten.

>>381357587
>The idea that gogeta gets down to business is nerd nonsense.
I respectfully disagree. Gogeta appeared in the movie in a very serious manner, contrary to Veku and even the kids when they were playing around. Hell, even Videl wasn't that serious, she was just praising Gohan for 1 shotting Frieza with a smile on her face. Goku going SSJ3 and Gogeta being born where the only times the characters ever actually got extremely serious.

You also can't assume he's not a serious character. The movie shows direct contrast to his other form(Veku) that he is serious. How he states he'll avenge Pikkon, and telling Janemba that he's going to die, paired with his attitude, that all shows how serious he was. And to drive my point in as much as I can, if he wasn't supposed to be a serious character, they wouldn't have made his first and only appearance extremely serious. It's like they give him 1 personality, but you deny it for reasons and say he doesn't always act like this, he only acted like this because of reason A, when in reality he doesn't act like that.

tl;dr: They designed Gogeta to be serious in a movie where he and Goku were the only character who acted serious, which means he's a serious character, and you saying he isn't doesn't make sense as it goes against the movie.

Also, Gogeta SSJ4 and the entire "stealing Vegito's personality." GT was written and directed by people who did not write or direct Fusion Reborn. The only reason Gogeta was in GT was because he was previously established as the Fusion variant of Goku and Vegeta. They are two different characters written by 4 different people.

>>381323979
Both Cooler movies, the first broly movie, fusion reborn

>>381358204
>>381358382
>>381358836
>Story mode
I'm confused. I never played an Arcsys game, but I was under the impression we'd have to unlock the characters anyways. It would make sense given a dbz game and the fact there's going to be a story mode. But I guess fighting games are different?

>>381358836
>Actually paying $2 for something that can be gotten for free if you take like 30 to 45 minutes to get through the story with auto skip text on
Come on anon, I have more faith in you than that.

>>381359292
Unlocking characters has pretty much died out, any that have it are really just Day 1 DLC with a free alternative

>>381359292
No, the whole roster (barring DLC characters like Mai and Es) was available from the start in Central Fiction. The only character that was in the game that wasn't available to play immediately was Susanoo, and that's because he was this secret plot important character that wasn't even available in the Arcade version for like a month after the game's console release because they updated it to be in line with the console one. It won't be like other Dragon Ball games where you have to complete story missions to get characters.

Chichi > Videl

>>381360908
More like Chichit taste.

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Since this is an arcsys game I want dragon install sol as a secret character, like how the capcom marvel games put in akuma.

Probably won't happen because toei only wants dragon ball to crossover with other series they can make money on, but it would be totally sick.

>>381339032
>Gohan
He was originally the strongest Z Warrior unfused so it makes sense he can go toe to toe with SSB.

>Frieza
It was established in Super that it was the first time he trained and got himself a new form on par with SSB. Makes sense.

>17
This is stupid and I cannot explain this.

>>381356863
I thought SSB took no stamina in the anime? That's why Goku can use kaioken in it.

>>381339401
>How exactly? You like cocky fuckers with earrings? He doesn't do anything aside from gloat about his power: "oh, buu, can you start trying? oh you were, lol my bad bro!" I fail to see how that's better than Gogeta's get shit done attitude, he's basically an always serious Goku, which imo is better than a super cocky Vegeta.
Vegito vs Buu was him trying to save everyone who was absorbed. Him being cocky was a ruse (but he enjoys that).

Super's Vegito pretty much went in on Zamasu no mercy. So yeah, Vegito WILL go full edge mode when he has to.

>>381361224
>He was originally the strongest Z Warrior unfused so it makes sense he can go toe to toe with SSB.
No it doesn't. Gohan would get anally annihilated by Vegito, who himself would lose to normal Red God Goku. Gohan only trained for, what? A couple of weeks? Him going to to toe with SSB makes no fucking sense. Also, when he was near death in the Buu saga, he did not get a zenkai after being revived by Dende, which means he hit a plateu and couldn't go higher, him being Blue tier makes even less sense considering that he's essentially at his max strength.

>>381361754
>Red God Goku
Go away, Cory.

>>381361816
>btfo
>starts spouting sekret club memes
I have no idea who Cory is, and I don't care. Fucking Gohanfags always act this way.

>>381340679
This.

>>381361754
>>unfused
>Vegito

>needs to train
>Gohan

>>381362398
God Goku is stronger than Vegito, and Vegito could laugh Gohan out of existence.

Gohan couldn't even get a zenkai, which meant his power couldn't get higher. So him being as strong as SSB or even stepping in the same ring makes no sense as they are literally dimensions apart in power.

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Why you people are trying to make sense out of a series that not even his own creator understands? Toriyama has even admitted he forgot about Launch and that's why she isn't in Super. Not to mention there were a shit ton of retcons and nonsense during Super's Future Trunks arc. And don't even read the manga because it's even more nonsensical.

>>381362964
I just watch it for fun, and because I dig both Beerus and Zamasu. I couldn't give a fuck about power levels or logic, I'm just happy to see Goku and gang.

The only females I honestly see getting into dbfz are 18, Videl, Bulma, and the two Saiyan whores. 18 is the only one that is guaranteed to get in, and the two Saiyans will probably be dlc. I'd really like to see Bulma get in, not just because of muh waifu, but because I think Arcsys can make her playstyle really unique since she isn't a fighter.

>>381320148
>>381363123
>>381363174
Is this even gonna have Super characters? Pretty sure they'll try to go for a more nostalgic approach, given that it is their first game and everything.

>>381363123
>don't even read the manga because it's even more nonsensical.
The manga is the only part of Super that actually follows a plot and has correct power scaling.

>>381363301
Of course it's gonna have Super characters, gotta shill. Golden Frieza was already revealed after all

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>>381345093
>You mean like how he has the asspull of "Supreme Kai's in Training have magical healing abilities but we never mentioned it until now"

Nice meme it was foreshadowed

pic related

>You do understand Goku was most certainly holding back against him right?
Except 17 was also holding back, and Goku could have meant holding back by not using Kaioken.

>Learning something that an old man can do just by watching is different then learning it from a fucking God
Not really.

>>381363301
Well, it's not called Dragon Ball Z Fighter, for one, so it'll hopefully be characters from all over.

>>381363429
>Golden Frieza
He technically is from Z. So are blue Goku, blue Vegetta and the cat.

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>>381363429
>Golden Frieza was already revealed after all

>>381349813
Still in development as recently as a month with Piccolo releasing though it's now redundant

>>381363301
>>381363429
developers have said the game will not have super characters

gold freiza debuted in a dbz movie

Ginyu Force should be one character. They'd play rock paper scissors to see who's on first, and rotate between members on tagging out or calling for an assist.

>>381363738
Keep moving the goalpost, you know what they meant. Why the fuck wouldn't you want to see new characters and instead have the same fuckers that's in all the time? The best thing about Super is the potential for new fightan characters.

>>381364169
Good. Now give me more Z movie characters.

>>381353234
it's 3vs3 senpai, the roster has to be relatively bigger

>>381364378
Skullgirls allowed 3v3 and it only had 9 characters at launch

>>381364309
>Why the fuck wouldn't you want to see new characters and instead have the same fuckers that's in all the time?

For the same reason I don't want fanfic characters.

The series regulars are characters everyone loves. The Super characters are literally who's no one gives a fuck about.

>>381364169
Cool, so we have Beerus, Whis and Blue Saiyans.

>>381364494
Keyword being "allowed", not "was the main mode".

>>381364494
Skullgirls was also crowdfunded, had a smaller budget and has absolutely nothing to do with this game

>>381340679
>How is it bullshit exactly?

What sorta annoys me about Blue in the manga is how with the energy drain drawback, its essentially SSJ3 but Goku gets to keep his eyebrows. That, and the fact that Super Saiyan God remains a transformation that Goku and Vegeta are able to use at any point, instead of just being a temporary form that Goku absorbs to get stronger like it was originally intended.

To be honest, when SSB was first revealed, I thought the gist was that it was a workaround that Goku and Vegeta developed in order to recall the full power of a SSG without the ritual. And that no other SSJ forms would be necessary, leaving the two with just their base form, and a single powered up state.

>>381364597
>Blue Saiyans
We'll obviously get regular Goku and Vegetta in adittion to their SSJ1 counterparts so they can turn blue midfight. Also, that way Goku can get the Genki ball and Vegetta turn into a monkey for a finisher.

>>381320148
How is the combat in these kinds of games?
It looks cool but everything I've experienced, budokai, xenoverse2, is very simple.
Do you think this would be different and if so, why?

>>381364539
I mean that's totally fair.
I myself really dig Beerus and Zamasu is also pretty neat, and since the game will be a 3v3 fighter I'd imagine the roster being a small-medium size with a decent amount of characters, so who knows.

I want everyone to have a character they like get in, and my main hope is still Tien.

>>381364378
18 is the absolute most optimistic realistic roster size. Additionally, anyone who thinks Cauli will get in is crazy. She has no iconic panels or frames of animation to draw from, and they're emphasizing characters who bring something unique. The only thing Cauli brings is a cute girl without a 5head.

>>381364891
This is a fighting game.

>>381363439
>it was foreshadowed
nice meme

>>381364378
What other 3v3 fighting games are out there? The KoF with the smaller roster had something like 24 characters, and other than that I can only think of MvC which also had a ton.

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>>381364636
Actually it is what everyone defaults to in SG

it is a 3v3 fighter with options for less

>>381322252
This looks like a flash animation from newgrounds

>>381322252
Can't believe they put Bocodamondo in charge of animation.

>>381364891
It's vs. Capcom with homing cancels.

The real question is will Piccolo be a stretchy limbs Dhalsim zoner?

>>381365450
Hopefully. That made me think, are there even grapplers in DBZ?

>>381365450
Not quite even if they do go with stretchy limbs, zoning in marvel or anime is more overwhelming than sim

>>381365632
Broly's entire moveset in DBZ consists of him hitting people with lariats and manhandling them by the face.

>>381365632
I'd imagine Recoome could fill that role.

>>381365632
Cell has a grapple move.

>>381365848
>>381365891
I forgot they existed, but good calls.

They're saving Super characters for the sequel

>>381320148
Only gonna have like 7 characters

I wish Full powered Super Saiyan was Gohan's default form, I actually like that a lot more than his Super Saiyan 2 form as a general fighting form.

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>>381366110
>Kale is essentially Broly (female)
>Caulifla has deflected a blast and gone SSJ2 and that's it
>people are clamoring for these characters to get in when they've both got less material to pull from than fucking Tao Pai Pai or Recoome
I don't usually hate waifufags, but come on.

>>381366764
I want Rose Black just for that sword ultra move to be animated by Arc

>>381365450
They should make Piccolo focus on building meter like crazy while defending then going for high damage supers.

>>381365930
That's actually just his not-dust animation.

>>381367367
The Raging Blast games were based around that shit and it made them unplayable to me.

>>381366764
?

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post

>yfw

when non fighting game playing normies buy this game and get obliterated by guilty gear/blazblue gods and get hit with 200 hit long combos

>>381367643
He's got a legit unblockable move too, which basically makes him a grappler

>>381367805
Why is it in mercury?

>>381367805
There's probably not going to be as much of an overlap as you think. People who are serious about GG/BB are probably going to stick with those games in the long run, and the people who aren't so serious don't matter, because they're not good either.

Besides, way more of these shitters are likely to drop the game before release whenever they see the final roster that they're in vehement denial about being 20-odd characters maximum.

>>381368440
Yeah but if we're honest here this is going to get the MvC community because Infinity is just a shitty commercial for Avengers: Infinity War.