OOOOH LADEEE BOOOOOI

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Oh no I'll have to wait a little while.

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>>381308034
>Denuvo
meh whatever

>Uplay
fuck you Ubisoft

>>381308034
Guess I'll buy a second-hand ps4 version then

>>381308034
>denuvo AND uplay
It's like they're begging me to pirate it.

Not a surprise considering how many people thought of the first game as a "graphics aren't advanced enough to pay for" kind of game.

Why does this have uplay when matt and trey mandated that the first one not have it?

>>381308034
Already dropped it long before because of uplay.

>>381308034
>uplay and denuvo
please die
this encourages people to pirate

>>381308515
$ $ $

uplay sucks
but the only people that still give a shit about denuvo are manchildren

>>381308034
How many layers of DRM do they fucking need? I'm surprised they don't ask for a fucking finger print ID along with an iris scan to play their fucking games.

>>381308626
Denuvo is worse than uplay.

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>denuvo
>uplay
>propecia
>rogaine
STILL CAN'T BEAT THE BALDMAN, LADS

I will never pay for a game with uplay. I've played a few games I got for free on there and it's barely functional. On several occasions, I have just not been able to log in and access my stuff. When I contacted support, they told me to end the call and they would email me a fix. They emailed me a forum thread discussing the problem. No way would I drop $60 for a game I can only then hope I am able to play.

aren't denuvo games cracked in days now

>reddit the game for the normies by ubisoft

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>>381308034
Good fucking lord, when will they learn that DRM only harms the consumer, never the pirate. The pirates just wait to get it later, the consumer is eternally fucked.

>>381308034
not shocked. its ubisoft after all.

sucks im gonna have to use fucking uplay at some Point if i want to play this.

>>381308034
this doesnt bother me because im not 14 and i buy the products i use

>>381308660
Steamworks DRM is a joke so fucking funny, it allows pirated users legally to play on official servers of unlock the DLC. At least Uplay isn't that shitty as a DRM solution for devs. Finally Denuvo is actual anti-piracy DRM.

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>>381308958
Don't forget the actual secret handshake you need to perform before you can install the game.

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>>381308908
Can't you fucking redditors elaborate instead of bandwagoning on the assumption that DRM is harmful to the consumer?

>>381308948
You're part of the problem. No, I'm not a piratefag either before you start damage controlling.

>tfw Denuvo and Uplay are pretty much the only reason I still buy games for my PS4

Why is anti-consummer DRM still allowed?

>>381308562
>this encourages people to pirate
Yes, yes, money causes people to steal; we all know how hard it is to live on this planet when you are a piece of shit.

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>>381309045
>n-no I'm not a pirate
>well, I mean there was that one time...

>>381309021
This shit today takes less time to launch than finding secret word, seeking a CD-key in your jewel case or manual or, the worst of all, starforce checking the validity of the game. "At least that ain't starforce" should be a slogan

>>381309129
How does people pirating games affect your gaming experience?

It doesn't. Quit fucking complaining.

>>381309045
whats the problem? i buy the games i like and enjoy them. i dont even know when games have denuvo, i only hear about it on 4chan

>>381309035
It is. Denuvo has been shown to lower performance by now, and DRM has never been shown to increase sales, while piracy HAS been shown to.

Not to mention it's still money spent on futile anti-piracy measures instead of improving the goddamn games.

>>381308908
I very rarely pay for pc games so I don't know. How does drm hurt the consumer?

>>381308948
How does it feel to know that despite your unwarranted sense of moral superiority, pirates as a demographic spend more money on media than non-pirates?

>>381309112
PS4 is literally a DRM machine.

At least you get to see the fifty layers of DRM it comes with, I pre-ordered Legends back when those warnings weren't mandatory.

>>381309180
>How does people pirating games affect your gaming experience?
Why does this game have Denuvo again?

>>381309035
>reddit

Yea how about you go back there considered I've never touched the place you faggot. If you're not old enough to remember GFWL, and other such anti consumer services, or been here long enough to see all the shit posted about Denuvo's service slowing peoples PC's, causing 4 times as many writes to disk increasing wear on hard discs and SDD's.

The other problem here is that you shouldn't have to sign up for a completely different authentication service like Uplay to play a fucking game when you're buying it and playing it through steam in the first place. It's EXTREMELY INTRUSIVE and Uplay as a service is COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE.


>>381309130
>i'm going to be a faggot because my only retort for damage control was cut off!

Good lord Denuvo's shills really do post here. hey fags, if DRM is so good why do pirates still get free games, why do consumers have to jump through hoops just to play games, and why does the quality of games never increase from you purchasing them since your morals are so good. OH WAIT your piratefag boogyman doesn't effect anything.

>>381309305
i wouldnt care, because, like i said, im not a child

>>381309309
DRM you have to spend a premium to encounter.

>>381309359
Beats me. I have no earthly idea why some publishers push it so hard.

>>381309180
>How does piracy affect your gaming experience?
Because games run on a business model that requires money to continue production.

If enough people pirate a game rather than purchase it it can result in

A) Less support for the game mentioned

B) Less possibility for sequels since the game may not sell as well as anticipated

C) Games might not be brought to a certain system (yes I know consoles can pirate games but the vast majority of piracy is done on PC)

You piracy defenders are literally the biggest dunces on this website. Be it that you're actually mentally retarded or you've deluded yourself to the point that you literally don't see how stealing is bad from both a moral and business standpoint.

>>381309386
>causing 4 times as many writes to disk increasing wear on hard discs and SDD's.
This has never really been proven properly, that said with that recent indie game it's been shown quite clearly Denuvo does affect framerates.
>>381309392
>He says, while trying to appear very grown up in an anonymous vietnamese tattoo artistry board.

>>381308034
Really could give less of a shit about Denuvo.
>uplay
Why, why fucking even bother putting it on steam when you need another client on top of steam to fucking play it. Why.

>>381309506
>If enough people pirate a game rather than purchase it it can result in

Except for the fact that studies show pirates spend more money on their hobbies than non-pirates, so if you want to "support" the industry, pirates are doing a better job than you.

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i understand they want to protect their intellectual property
but once Denuvo is cracked for a specified game, keeping it only damages the legit customer, who deals with stuttering and horrid boot-up times

put denuvo
keep denuvo
if it gets cracked
REMOVE DENUVO

here is the list of devs that understand the situation, and have acted accordingly

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>>381309506
When implementing that DRM you shred your company's reputation you've effectively killed long-term success just to get a few dollars back on your investment.

>>381308034
>Oh no I can't steal it!
Every time

>>381309592
If you agree that Denuvo causes stuttering and worse boot times, why do you defend it's inclusion, whether or not they remove it later?

Why does the legitimate customer need to suffer until pirates give the developer reason to free the game from the DRM?

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>>381309386
Instead of getting defensinve and WRITING IN ALL CAPS, how about you further elaborate on the problems with uplay as a service?

I'm sure you feel soooo offended by the mere presence of another application on your computer

>This entire thread is giving a shit about denuvo instead of the real issue of needing a second client that does exactly what steam does to play the game.
Why the fuck does uplay even exist. At least denuvo has an excuse, why the fuck put it on steam if it uses uplay.

>>381308034
>denuvo AND uplay

drop it. I will pirate it a few weeks later.

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>>381309689
As far as I can see the only reason you should buy it on Steam (if you absolutely must buy it) is so Ubisoft will see less of the money.

Pirating shit games is no different from buying them, because it still gives companies the idea that people want to play their shitty games, even if they don't pay for them.
How about waste your time on a better game?

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>>381309570
Yeah, I'm sure they're doing a great job compared to me you fucking delusional leech

>>381309734
You still need uplay installed and running on top of steam to play the game when you buy it on steam. The fuck is the point. These fucking mongoloids over at ubisoft doesn't understand steam does.

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>>381309781
These are the pathetic redditors that have invaded this site.

>uPlay
actually worse than Denuvo

>>381309678
i don't particularly defend it
i would prefer not to have to deal with it
cracked AKnight works better than my legit copy
its pretty pathetic

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>Years ago, Ubisoft went all-in with DRM
>Their anti piracy measures were some of the most strict in the industry
>The "success" of their DRM resulted in losing 90% of their PC customer base.
>9 out of 10 players stopped playing Ubisoft games, full stop, whether they were pirating or not.

What did they learn?

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>>381309854
The only way out of this hole is to dig all the way through the bottom.

>>381309507
listen to yourself get defensive about an issue you introduced. why do you care about this meaningless shit?

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>>381309821
>complain about pirates
>"they contribute more than you do!"
>show my collection
>"r-reddit!"

I'm sure you're such a well versed oldfag

>>381308034
Everyone has pirated something once in their life.

>>381309781
>Yeah, I'm sure they're doing a great job
They are, as just about every study on the subject shows.
The fact this makes you furious is just the icing on the cake.

>>381309781
Wow, not even three hundred games. You really are one of the big spenders on steam. I guess we should all pack up our bags and go home because you're clearly the biggest authority on video games.

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>>381309781
am pirate, pls don't embarrass yourself.

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>>381309854

>source: my ass

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i pirate to avoid buying games that are unplayable in my rig
>HITMAN
>NEVER AGAIN

>>381309967
Your example doesn't prove you right. It's one example. You're so fucking retarded you think mentioning that you have a different opinion is going to somehow convince anyone of anything. The argument is about more than just one person. It's about everyone. Pissant.

>>381308034
>inb4 it's cracked a week after release (vs 3 days after release for the previous SP game)

>>381309939
>He says, while still arguing for the sake of arguing

>>381310024
Open wide, you big baby.
http://www.pcgamer.com/opinion-ubisoft-piracy-and-the-death-of-reason/

>>381308515
Obsidian made the first one

Ubisoft is making the second one

>>381309916
Indeed
>sell game on steam
>still uses uplay

>>381309967
>>381309781
Wow anon, you got blown the fuck out by >>381310043

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>>381310079
t.triggered leech

Is that the bobby's coming to knock your door down faggot?

Just remember you're the one who insulted me first

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>>381309506

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It's sad that I still have to post this every thread for the uneducated fucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

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>>381308034

>>381310128
>ubisoft
>not obsidian

Hype level dropping rapidly.

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>>381310221
I wasn't the person you were arguing with. You're being ridiculed because you're retarded.

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>>381310165
lets see your games

I just stopped buying games from big publishers. They repay your support by shitting on you at the very first opportunity. Capcom, Bandai Namco, Konami, Square, etc.

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>>381308034
>mfw all the denuvo games are shit games

>>381308034
I'm rich and have never pirated a day in my life. Does this affect me in anyway? I'm curious.

>>381308034
good thing i was buying it on ps4 then

>>381309035
How about you elaborate on what DRM offers to the consumer to improve their experience in exchange for their money? What makes a copy of a game with DRM superior to a copy without? Don't say that you support the devs. Take the DRM free version to be a legally purchased GOG copy.

>>381309680
Take >>381308797 for an example of how Uplay is a garbage service. They want you to sign into their network, but their servers are shit. Add on the fact that there is no clear benefit to consumers by having to go through two different storefronts to open a game.

>>381310329
Uplay is dumpster juice. Bloated and rotten.

>>381310313
>Capcom, Bandai Namco, Konami, Square, etc.
What do all of these companies have in common?

>>381310403
They're all overrated.

>>381310403
Denuvo.

>>381310403
They're all gooks

>>381310329
well you will pay for your game, like a good citizen, but will have to deal with the antitamper system fucking up the launch of the game, and stuttering here and there

when they talk about anti-consumer, they are not talking about pirates, but legit paid customers

ie: Arkham Knight still has denuvo, and the stutter is abysmal

>>381310329
Yes, you have to use Uplay. You might as well ask if it affected you if you had to play the game by controlling your mouse with tongs.

>>381308218
This
I dont care about denuvo but Uplay can fuck right off

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>>381310507
Pleb. I'm controlling my mouse and keyboard with two pairs of tongs using both of my feet. Hands are of course on both of my dicks.

>>381309680
>I'm sure you feel soooo offended by the mere presence of another application on your computer
It's abhorrent garbage that you need to use a second storefront application to log into the first one you bought the game on directly. Don't defend it you fucking mouth breather if you don't understand that simple concept. Uplay and Steam effectively do the same fucking thing, but uplay has zero traction as ubisoft does not improve their service at all and every single one of their games from uplay is sold on steam which does exactly the same thing, but a million times better. Needing to log in twice effectively from two of the same applications from competing providers is garbage.

>>381308034
>2017
>still giving a shit about south park garbage

>>381310289

Not that anon but as a pirate I still have 522 games on Steam and close to 150 on GoG. Stop being a fucking shill because I want to make sure game X will run on my PC and isn't garbage

Never bought a game in steam, I pirate everything with my top tier rig. There always enough games to play, Denuvo a shit.
I currently buy only for my consoles.
I am literally cancer.

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>>381310565
I'm not saying there is any benefits, but you exaggerate this moral outrage at what is simply a minor inconvenience, look at how aggressive you're being at the thought of having to log in twice?

>>381310610
>south park garbage
Did you not see the last season?

>>381310717
>Hi there. I am not offering you anything. In fact, I am going to mildly inconvenience you, but only if you pay me! Will that be credit or debit?

>>381309781
How many of those are humble shovel bundle games? Link your profile if you dare.

>>381310717
>simply a minor inconvenience
Pick a store front and use one of them not both of them to access your game. Don't defend uplay it doesn't have the same pull as steam and never will you fucking shit from ubisoft.
Don't sell your game on Steam and force me to use your service when I don't want to.

>>381310746
>Did you not see the last season?
>They fucked it up because they were banking on Hillary wining

That's what you get when you are living in a bubble.

>>381310787
You're not paying for the inconvenience though, you're paying for the video game.

This isn't Xbox Gold we're talking about here

>>381310672
it's easy to asspull numbers, especially in a thread full of lying thieves.

>>381310862
Yeah, the inconvenience is just a bonus for paying customers.

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>>381310921
>Brings up his own numbers as evidence
>btfo twice
>b-but they're probably lying!

>>381310862
It's called anti-consumer because you want to purchase one thing, but they make you jump through extra hurdles that benefit them. The exchange of currency for a product should be enough.

>>381310862
You're paying for the inconvenience, you're paying to effectively be told you bought the game on steam, but now have to use a third party application to launch it outside of steam when this does not need to be the case at all.
>You want to play this game
>buy it here and it also runs from here
>but you need this third party application to get it to actually let you play it

Nothing about that is right. It's counter productive in every manner of the phrase. I will be leaving a negative review, just because this game uses uplay when it does not need to.

>>381310960
Yeah, and the inconvenience is a detriment which can determine if someone decides to purchase a game or not.

Most people aren't manchildren who get fussy because you might have to log in a second time however.

>>381310458
DING DING DING DING

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>>381310921
>no GOG
>no buy
Deal with it, cuck.

>>381311047
>It's okay, my anus gapes so wide I can barely feel it when I get a dick in my ass.

>drm
>summer time

The problem is that children cannot afford ice cream and video games

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>Denuvo shills derailing the thread into library numbers

>>381310812
That made it even better!
It was funny how they had to scramble to change how they were gonna end where the general direction of the plot was headed. You could tell they were going to imply that what Hillary did wasn't a big deal because everyone would be in trouble if their internet history was plainly visible but instead they had to switch it all up at the last minute.

I draw the line at uPlay. Think I'll just pirate and mail a check to Matt and Trey.

>>381311206
Kids these days would be the ones most likely to be comfortable having someone cum inside their asshole every time they want to play a video game.

>>381311218
Denuvo is the least of my worries when ubisoft requires you to use uplay to launch it.
>Here's this first party that you can buy the game from and run the game from
>but first you have to download our third party application, make an account on it, and link your steam to it.

>>381311267
>(((Matt)))
Just send it to Trey

>>381311218
And getting destroyed in the process.

>>381311267
Pretty much this, Matt and Trey are based enough that I'll pirate and send a check to them telling them to tell ubisoft to fuck off with uplay. At least then I know they will get money and not uplay.

>>381311250
So what happened?

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>>381311285

So was the first game good?

Because few things are as big an indicator of a probable drop in quality as suddenly burying your game in DRM (and getting developed by ubisoft)

>>381308707
>log into steam
>play game
vs
>log into steam
>"play game"
>log in to uplay
>play game

mmm

>>381311336
It's all going to his stripper wife's son anyway.

>>381311416
I don't like spoilers just watch and find out for yourself, I think they did a damn good job personally, but I've always been a huge fan of South Park in general. I liked the last 2 seasons quite a bit, I think it's the best they've done in a decade at least.
Yeah you can tell they liked Hillary more, but they made fun of sjws pretty hard for the last 2 years as well.

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>>381311358
>a bunch of butthurt NEETs bandwagoning

>w-we sure destroyed him right?

You remind me of bernie supporters, I guess there is a bit of a correlation between communists and thieves though

>>381311517
Oh yeah Trey does have a little niglet now doesn't he?
How does someone as awesome as him become so cucked?

>>381311465
the first game is glorious if you enjoy the current tv series
the story is unbelievable, and the lore is evidently ultrahuge
as an rpg, it is hugely unbalanced, so once you find the OP character and the OP attack, it becomes pretty much routine
but once again, it is literally a whole Southpark season, mixed with RPG gameplay, exploration, grinding and looting

>>381311465
First game was good, from what they showed off of the second also looks good. To bad I won't be buying the second because uplay.

>>381311537
I don't really watch south park anon, I'm just curious about how they dealt with having to switch plots late in the game.

>>381311606
Are you trying to sound like a shill?

Name commercially successful games using Denuvo.

>>381308034
day one pirate

>>381311465
Definitely faithful to the source material. It's a little too easy even on the hardest difficulty though. It's worth it.

>>381311657
Nier Automata.

>>381311657
Planet Coaster

>>381311418
Adults on here would remember before even Steam was a thing. Kids would grow up with Steam's system as neutral, and things like Uplay and Origin as extensions of that, as well as growing up with shit like XBox Live and PS+ being normal.

>>381311556
>that /pol/ tier non-sequitur
Damn anon, I know you got destroyed at your own game but try to hide how butthurt you are a little.

>>381311657
D44M

>>381311649
Well they actually kind of blamed the sjws for Trump getting elected. Without saying what happened I can tell you that they pretty much said that someone like Trump mostly got elected BECAUSE of try hard sjws. They also had a glorious subplot about internet trolling that went throughout the whole season that I seriously think might be the funniest plot line Trey and Matt have ever done.

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>>381311556
>being this butthurt about getting proven wrong
>i-it's all fake you lying thieves!

Not to imply that his comment wasn't silly, but you truly are pathetic.

>>381311649
They hastily remade most of the episode within the week. They have pretty short production times, so it wasn't outrageous, but you could tell they didn't fully plan out both possibilities.

>>381308034
DAY 2 PIRATE

>>381311809
I still think they did a decent job given the situation.
They said they didn't care much that he got elected but you could tell from the general tone of the episode that they were shocked.

Obsidian didn't make it so fuck it.

>>381311657
There's a few, but those were all big-name franchises that would have been successful no matter what, like MGSV.

>>381311809
Considering production time for South Park went from 3 months prior to season 4 to 3 weeks prior to season 10 and to 5 days since. It's impressive as fuck.

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>>381309035
what shitty indie game are you making devfag?

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>OC

>>381311950
They made that specific episode in less than 24 hours I believe. They literally had to start writing when they found out Trump was winning that night.
I want to see the episode they had planned. I hope they release it eventually.

>>381311651
no no
i legit like the game

>>381311556
Luther is a good show and I would definitely recommend it.

I still don't know how Denuvo even affects me, if MGSV had Denuvo then it doesn't really do anything bad to performance, because I was able to play on a complete toaster.

>>381312058
Same thing happened with Obama. They cleared his episode in literally 48 hours.

>>381312162
How did they not expect obama to win?

>>381312162
I don't remember that. Nobody thought Trump would win but Obama's victory wasn't like outlandish like this one was. This victory was so bizarre I can actually believe WE are the ones who got him elected semi-unironically.

>>381312280
More of they were planning an entirely different episode and scrap the idea when Obama's win came flooding in.

>>381312280
My thoughts exactly.

denuvo doesn't really matter
having to log into another fucking gaming service while im already on steam is

>>381312303
>Nobody thought Trump would win
Everyone knew he was gonna win. When the Clinton Foundation checks bounced, that's when they took off the mask and realized it was true. People long before knew Trump would win, he's literally been talking about running since the fucking 80s. He knew full well at any time he would have ran the media would have eaten it up and given him free publicity.

>>381308034
Oh no, i'm going to have to wait 2 days to pirate it.

>>381308515
long-term strategy - they lure you in with a good small title, then releasing sequel on their proprietary platform, so you have nowhere else legally to go (check out the HL, HL2 history)

>>381312443
Are you trolling?
Literally everyone I knew thought he was going to lose.

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>another meme overlay which you log into once and forget
>worse than denuvo
2 DRMS

>>381308034
>denuvo and uplay
I would've purchased the game on a big sale a year or two down the line, but apparently they don't even want my loose change. Their loss.

>>381312534
>Literally everyone I knew thought he was going to lose.
Damn I must be getting old, considering anyone over 35 knew he was going to win.

>>381308034
>denuvo
Don't give a shit

>uplay required
Into the trash it goes. Sad because i was unironically looking forward to this

>>381312534
>everyone I knew
What an expert council. Hillary cancelled her celebratory fireworks days before the election.

>uplay
guess I'm buying it on PS4

I will never install uplay on my PC

>>381312641
>2 DRMS
You forgot Steam.

>>381312649
I must know too many libtards, I have yet to meet someone near that age or above who wasn't disgusted by the idea of Trump.

>>381312649
The only person I know that thought Trump had a real chance of winning is my 92 year old grandfather, and he was mostly being contrarian.
Even trump supporters thought it was a long shot.

>>381312783
I did :( Because I like it.
However I really don't get this tendies drop over uplay. It's literally only in the way when you need to log in, and it remembers the authentication.
My best guess is that this is just a clever deflection of Denuvo shills.

>>381312797
oh yeah everyone is disgusted at the idea, but anyone with some age behind them knew Trump was eventually going to do it, the media was gonna give him free publicity even if they find it sickening. Only children would believe it wouldn't have happened he's a reality star, he's already got a million layers of publicity despite how much people claim to hate him, people don't vote on legitimacy, they vote on novelty Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Obama proved it.

Why would you still use denuvo weren't they found to be crooks themselves?

>>381308034
>Uplay
Nope
>Denuvo
Nope.

Will pirate once its cracked, do not support these garbage bloat shit.

>>381313006
Yep. Denuvo shills are literally paying pirates for every game they buy.

>>381312980
You have a point there actually, you forgot Reagan, who was an actor at one point.

>voluntarily installing multiple rootkits on your PC just to play a South Park game
>if y-you don't like you're a p-pirate!!
gen Z was a mistake

>>381312461
Yeah actually it might be this, they did the same with rayman. Origins didn't have it but legends did.

>>381312980
You know for all people rag on him, I know one person who directly met trump on the street in New York, getting off his Limo. Trump actually politely let him pass.

I think a lot of his policies are bumfuck retarded, but I don't think he's satan.

>how many levels of DRM do you want pham

>>381310717

>Thanks for shopping at costco!
>Here's your blender and here's your anus-licking pig
What
>The anus licking pig
What's it for?
>See, before you can use the blender, you must let the pig lick your anus and keep licking it while the blender is in use
But why?
>It's a third party software by the manufacturer of the blender
Does it offer an extra service beyond having to pull down my pants and let it lick my private area?
>Not really, oh and don't forget to groom it every day, otherwise you can't use your blender
It does nothing and I have to keep it in good condition just to lick my anus? Does it even operate on the blender somehow?
>No
I don't want the pig
>But you can't use the blender otherwise
But I don't want my privacy invaded like this
>Oh don't overreact, sir. It's just a minor inconvenience.

My point is at what stage does it stop being a "minor inconvenience" And it's never just logging on to uplay or whatever denuvo needs, it's their services' problems and other bullshit, since they have 0 obligation to the game quality.

Why do you say it's okay for the pig to lick your anus, when you can have the option for it not to lick your anus.

>>381313312
>declining an anus-licking pig
get a load of this pleb

>>381311734
Doom doesn't use Denuvo anymore.

>>381313369
It was successful before it got cracked.

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>>381309236
>It is. Denuvo has been shown to lower performance by now
oh boy, what friend of a friend of a deleted post that isnt visible did you read that from

>>381312783
steams not drm

>>381314152
lol

>>381311657
The most recent Doom.

>>381314223
its not. steamworks is drm, and its completely optional and up to the publisher or dev to implement it. you dont need the steam client installed or running to play the games that dont say steam workshop on the side, just like you dont need gog galaxy to play the singleplayer parts of the multiplayer games they sell.

>>381314109
It was all over the board when that new indie game got cracked.

>>381314436
>steamworks is drm
you can literally crack steamworks to play with other pirates

>>381314578
ah, straight to the "i saw a post that isnt linked or shown". neat.

>>381314640
uh, okay, not sure what that has to do with what we were talking about

>>381314640
>this logic
So when Denuvo is cracked we can stop calling it DRM and hating on it? Good.

>>381314805
>hating on
>preposition after "hate"
Kill yourself you imbecile.

>>381314723
So are you also gonna pretend denuvo didn't basically pirate their VMware unless I hold your hand and link you to the posts that talk about it?

>>381314940
>So are you also gonna pretend denuvo didn't basically pirate their VMware unless I hold your hand and link you to the posts that talk about it?
Not this anon, but when you generally fling shit, you better provide source in your post. No one is gonna go looking otherwise. Are you new?

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>>381308034
Machine Activation Limit

>>381314893
So when Denuvo is cracked we can stop calling it DRM and on hating it? Good.

>>381314940
so maybe they did. what does that have to do with the claim it impacted performance?

>>381315020
dont worry he wont

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>being that assblasted about piracy
>being that assblasted about anti-piracy

Are y'all alright? Just buy your games, or just steal 'em, who fucking cares?

>>381315020
It's common knowledge at this point because it was literally all over the board very recently. If they were actually interested instead of just trying to win an argument then they could easily find it themselves. Me, I don't care to even remember the name of that indie game.

>>381315147
>its such common knowledge that
i looked, didnt see it, dosent exist. wow that was hard.

>>381315147
>It's common knowledge at this point because it was literally all over the board very recently.

Literally no one cares about that, when you fling shit in a post, you must post source in your post, otherwise you are going to be counted as wrong. No one is going to go looking on a fucking imageboard. Are you new?

>>381315046
Literally translates to, you can only install this on 5 steam clients from the same account on different PCs once a day. What are you stupid?

>>381315197
Like I said, if you actually cared about it like you're pretending to, and weren't just trying to win a shitflinging argument about piracy, you could easily find it.
But we both know you don't.

Reminder:

DO NOT BUY UBISOFT GAMES
DO NOT PLAY UBISOFT GAMES
DO NOT PIRATE UBISOFT GAMES

>>381308809
4 days is the current record set by BALDMAN.

>>381315132
Jealous buyfags with buyer's remorse.

>Games with Denuvo Anti-Tamper state in EULA that "certain files of the anti-tamper technology may remain even after the product is uninstalled from your computer."
That guarantees I would never install a Denuvo title to begin with.

>>381315391
Grow Home is good tho

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>the only DRM left for Ubisoft

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>>381315359
oh really, so, its been 2 years, 20 games cracked games, the tools to test harddrive usage are free and take less then a minute to test, with hundreds and thousands of posts claiming it
but in this entire time, not only has no one does this, which would undisputably end this conversation right here, right now...if i google it, i cant find it, and you cant even link me your own first google result.
its such a given you dont even need to verify the first result, you just need to link it, your just THAT sure. the past 2 years of complete lack of evidence despite the incredible ease it would be to check this.

definitively not sketchy at all. you could blow me out harder then hiroshima right now, but....

>>381309035
>be norman
>can't pirate
>friend knows how
>pirates game and tells me it's good
>i buy it
in an alternate universe:
>be norman
>can't pirate
>friend can't crack it because denuvo
>assume game is shit and never experience game

>>381309570
I'm sure thats great for the people they spend money on. The other guys not so much.

>>381314109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qngkYKN8Y

>>381315620
>in the world where you can't pirate vidya
>assume game is shit
>don't play any vidya
lmao

>>381309035

>assuming

Nigga were you born last night

>>381315558
Are you retarded or just lying my man.

>>381315691
>The other guys not so much.
Oh gee, those poor AAA and indie developers hoping to sell mediocre shit on hype and impulse alone, what'll they do now that customers get to try before buying?

Pay for DRM that doesn't work, I guess, and complain about refunds.

PC market is small anyway on anything that is not esports moba

>>381315691
>piracy doesn't help the developers of shit games that pirates try and can't justify spending money on
What a fucking loss to the industry man, shame.

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>>381315558
Not the person you're talking to, but here's a spoon. Time to eat, you fucking baby. I didn't even know what game that guy was talking about. Took me all of 2 seconds.

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

>>381315792
It's funny, but it's true. Piracy means you get to try out games you normally wouldn't, since you would only be paying for "sure things" and never playing stuff that you weren't 99% sure you'd like.

People discover new things by trying them out, it's much rarer to discover something you like by buying it blind.

>>381308908
How exactly does it harm the consumer, you pay for the game and play it.

>>381315925
In before the goalposts are moved. "That isn't a big drop! Who cares?"

>>381310225
Honestly the the truth

>shitty ass uplay

That's a pirate whenever they crack whatever new version of the NEVER EVER denuvo version 41

Pirating is moral wrong.

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>>381315775
lol, when they updated rime they updated the version of denuvo, thats just a better version of rime running.
isnt it interesting to note that AFTER 1.01 of denuvo, and associated update they removed denuvo completely? you think if there was a straight comparison between the updated version of rime and the updated of version of rime without denuvo, it would be 100,000 views, class action lawsuit. instead you found a 1000 view video that dosent even show the difference between the same version of rime

i mean you fucking found it, the answer to all denuvo arguments, the thousands on hundreds of websites world over and...no ones mentioned it because of some reason

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>>381308034

>CPY
>BALDMAN
>VOKSY
>STEAMPUNKS

Heh

>>381315981
lol no, read his source

>>381315925
OOPS, i read it. whats that in BIG ITALICS in the middle?!
>A quick disclaimer before we get into this. A lot has changed since we did our GTX 1060 Vulkan benchmarks in July 2016. There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance. DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance. To that end, we do not know for sure the results of this benchmark are directly indicative of Denuvo’s performance impact, but they do at least form some sort of guideline.
>DOOM itself has also been patched, another factor which may affect performance
>There has been literally dozens of new Nvidia drivers, any of which may have a positive (or negative) impact on DOOM’s performance

ooops. thats a long way of saying "we actually dont know"

>>381316116
>no ones mentioned it because of some reason
Tons of DRM have been shown to impact performance, no one really talks about it. Why would denuvo be the exception?

>>381316239
because it dosent. oh, right, im supposed to take that argument seriously

>>381316116
>compares two versions of denuvo patches
>it's denuvo guises
Could it possibly be, just a shitty developer that needed a day one patch.

>>381308034
3 fucking drms for 1 game?

>>381309035
>DXHR revealed
>Everyone thinks its shit
>Press copy becomes available to Pirate
>Everyone loves it

>Absolutely massive sales
>DXMD revealed
>Everyone thinks its shit
>Bad Pre-order nonsense pissing people off
>DRM everywhere
>Everyone thinks its shit
>Nobody buys it
>Game is hated


Denuvo literally killed Deus Ex. MD and HR are about the same quality, but without pirating, MD completely fucking flopped

>>381316297
psssst thats what i was arguing. but yeah, you need the same game with just denuvo removed, which exists in very succesful, largely played games like doom.

just ppppure coincidence no one benchmarked that then, or, yet, to this day

>>381316295
You're the one arguing there would be class action lawsuits over reduced performance due to DRM.

>>381315943
You have to be some idiot to "buy blindy" in the current year, because there's info about everything everywhere, you can WAIT to get that info (oh shit I didn't get to play the game day one, it's too irrelevant now to play), if you want you can even get some people to write some angry letters to developers and publishers to get a demo version (but of course why do it if you can just complain about it), user no-spoiler rewievs everywhere. Maybe in 90s I had regrets about getting some game, because all I had is the back of the box of that game and a time limit from my dad to choose the game. Now I have all of the time I need to choose the game, decide if I will play it or not and get good games in the end, bought like 250+ games and never was "oh I wish I didn't buy it"

can we agree that Uplay+Denuvo is the absolute worst combination?
I could maybe stomach Uplay without denuvo since I could crack the game to avoid Uplay.

This has stopped me from purchasing any recent Ubisoft games at all.

>>381316415
well, yeah. the original claim agaisnt denuvo was it was bricking ssd`s, and there WAS an attempt at a class action, it never panned out because the maths involved in the now deleted reddit post youve hilarious all blindly believed indicated it would brick the average ssd of the time in 9 hours....which means, around 9000 owners of lords of the fallen, statistically based on ssd steam ownership, would had this happen to

wanna guess how many steam owners of lords of the fallen have mentioned, shown or complained about this

>>381316481
Funny it's the opposite. I can stand denuvo, but fuck anything with uplay. Denuvo at least has an excuse, uplay has none. All it does is simply create a wall to give up your personal information to ubisoft for marketing purpose.
>Sell game on Steam
>requires you to download third party client to run game that also requires you to create an account with that third party to link to your steam for you to log into
It's as denuvo isn't enough as it does the process uplay does, but automatically and without an account link up.

>>381316481
So without denuvo you purchase the game and crack it? What?

>>381316438
You say that, and yet you commonly get "buyer's remorse threads" on /v/ all the fucking time. For something that's so easy to do, there sure seem to be lots of people who don't seem to manage it.

Even if YOU are such a savvy consumer who never makes mistakes, the public at large constantly does. So yeah, a complete lack of piracy would have a chilling effect on sales of all but the biggest and most generic AAA shit.

>>381316661
>So without denuvo you purchase the game and crack it? What?
yeah.

I did that for the only Uplay game I owned, Rayman Legends.
The cracked version loads faster, it doesn't require you re-login to Uplay if you don't play it for a month and I'd just be punishing myself to play the uncracked copy.

>>381308034
>uplay and denuvo
how awful. not that i was ever planning on buying it ever

>>381316571
I never claimed it bricked SSD's, though. Merely that it impacted performance, like just about any DRM has been more than shown to do. So pretending there'd be a huge uproar over that is pretty goofy.

Also, why do devs bother removing denuvo when it's cracked, if it has no impact?

>>381316701
/v/ is fucking CasualTown in the Dumb County

>>381308034
>requires uplay
I'll just wait a couple of months for a crack.

>>381308809
They are. But it still doesn't stop Denuvo from screwing over legitimate customers.

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>>381316872
right, and how did people claim it impacted performance? constantly read/writing the harddrive unnecessarily.

are you telling me that you dont even actually know why its supposed to be bad, just that is IS bad? why do you think it impacts performance, by what mechanic? have you researched this at all, for a single second? is your actual source for "denuvo is bad" LITERALLY a 4chan post?

>>381309781
>mentally ill impulse buyer that shat on the whole industry with his retardation talks about videogames

I'd shut the fuck up if I were you.

>reviews

Kill yourself.

>>381310103
>Michael Pachter

You sure showed him. What a fucking retard.

>>381316348
See also; Dishonored 1 vs Dishonored 2

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>>381309570
>studies show pirates spend more money on their hobbies than non-pirates
>build $3000 PC
>"O fug no mony for vidygems"

>>381315558
>>381316220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2qngkYKN8Y
With and without Denuvo.

>>381308323
>Euro Ps4 version self-censored by Ubisoft to avoid non-existant backlash
Guess I have to import

Well buying it for ps4 rhan

Enjoy your double drm mustards (steam and whatever ubisoft developed) and Denuvo

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>>381317335
literally already posted, and covered.
>>381316116

>>381317335
That video shows two versions of denuvo, just one of them is a day one patch instead.

>>381310225
This 100%

t. antipiratefag

>>381310005
Sauce?

>>381317629
not even that, its different versions of rime, not just denuvo.

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Why do people keep insisting that denuvo doesn't affect performance?

Why would you ever even think that a virtual machine running on your system on top of your game, running an extra layer(s) of code in between the game's own functions, somehow wouldn't affect performance?

>>381308034
>Steam DRM+Botnet
>Uplay DRM+Botnet
>Denuvo DRM+Botnet
>Windows 10 Botnet

>>381308034
Its your fault for pirating the first game.

>>381317787
because the performance issue was dismissed as false a long fucking time ago by doing actual comparisons of non-shitty games

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>>381317787
>its another "it must have an effect, i just cant/wont prove it despite having literally 2 years and access to hundreds of free tools that would prove this in literally seconds, but must instead rely on the word of someone i dont know and is definetly not not biased against anti-piracy methods" post

watch as he turns around with the "your just WRONG, this image of text validates me"

>>381317824
/g/ please leave

>>381308908
>The pirates just wait to get it later, the consumer is eternally fucked.

>consumers get to play games
>some pirates shell out money and do it

You need to provide the data that the added sales from pirates paying up doesn't equal the development costs of DRM or paying Denuvo a licensing fee.

>>381317824
Do you even know what botnet is?

>>381318030
you also need to provide the evidence it harms the consumer outside of "i heard somebody say" or "the left and right brain controls creativity because lots of people said so"

>>381317998
Considering that Baldman has been able to consistently remove denuvo from releases at a swift pace numerous times over already. I'd really trust the words of that guy much more than some fuckwit on /v/ who somehow thinks that an additional layer of scrips running simultaneously with the game wouldn't actually affect performance somehow. Denuvo isn't magic, it uses resources like anything else.

>>381308034
>Steam DRM
>UPlay DRM
>Denuvo DRM

All in one package. They're just missing Origin.

>>381318115
I'm willing to look past the whole "harm the consumer" angle because first we need to establish

>does DRM add sales by making pirates with disposable income pay to play, and is it profitable to do so

once you solve this, you go one step deeper

>does it impact the consumer, and do you lose sales from legitimate customers? Are you still ahead or at a loss

Then ultimately

>how does this DRM scheme impact your optics in the community

In short, pirate fags conveniently ignore #1 because they have been proven wrong, try to argue #2 in common sense but have no data to back it up other than that one time a game didn't have any DRM and still sold well, and #3 we could have a discussion on because both Denuvo and uPlay are like putting your testies in a vice

>>381318182
you mean the guy whose livelyhood and interests come entirely from denouncing that very subject? hes entirely unbiased on the subject? oh yeah totally i agree.

not to mention hes spent likely hundreds of thousands of the time required to effortly prove his work is legit, he clearly knows how to run "insert system performance software here" while running both a cracked, and uncracked game, which he literally is THE GUY who did this

right.

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>>381318209

>Be Australian
>Steam DRM
>UPlay DRM
>Denuvo DRM
>Get low level violence Censored version
>$60.95 USD for the privilege

>>381318301
He might be biased, but at the very least he is knowledgeable.
It's not as if you or any of the other blatantly pro-DRM shills in the thread aren't biased. You're in no way more believable.

Why you would ever defend something that only puts the legitimate consumer at an inconvenience is beyond me.

>>381315792
>in the world where you can't pirate vidya

Que movie trailer.

>>381318287
ah we are on the wrong argument here. just because im arguing denuvo dosent impact performance means im defending denuvo as a whole. it impacts modding, it requries always online, and hell, it might even legitmently impact performance, even if im yet to see any evidence of it.
Id argue it impacts everyone because its negative attention. modders dont want to touch it, less people buy it, the community is smaller, and thats rarely a good thing in any circumstance.
My sole point, and argument here is that literally no one can ACTUALLY prove that denuvo impacts performance, and thats primarily because: it dosent. denouncing it over something that cant be proved and hasnt, instead of the things it CAN be proved it impacts just makes the anti-denuvo crowd look goofy as fuck

i know this might blow that other guys fucking mind, so lets just ignore all that and pretend im a staunch, denuvo employee getting shekels for my shitposting, i guess.

>>381318434
so knowledgable that he could justify himself and get fucking shitloads of attention doing this. hell, not even him, literally anyone. ANYONE could do this and get themselves...what is it, reddit gold? his name on every gaming website that reports it? even the gaming websites themselves, a test that would take all of 5 minutes top if they really tried. just hasnt...happened. your argument is literally "someone told me, without any evidence." blow me.

>>381308218
This. If it's not on Steam, I don't give a fuck, Denuvo or no.

>steam
>denuvo
>uplay
>incoming windows 10 anticheat baked in the OS
someday they are going to ask for your fingerprint just to launch a game

http://store.steampowered.com//eula/371660_eula_1
>THE PRODUCT IS PROTECTED BY DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE (“DRM SOFTWARE”) AND DENUVO ANTI-TAMPER PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY (“ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY”).

>CERTAIN FILES OF THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY MAY REMAIN EVEN AFTER THE PRODUCT IS UNINSTALLED FROM YOUR COMPUTER.

>IN NO EVENT SHALL UBISOFT BE LIABLE IN CONNECTION WITH THE COMPONENTS THAT MAY BE INSTALLED ON YOUR COMPUTER BY ANY DRM SOFTWARE OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE ANTI-TAMPER TECHNOLOGY.
Reminder that denuvo is literally an officially sanctioned trojan/botnet.

>>381318485
>what

Que?

>>381318787
So is Windows 10.

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>pay 60 bucks
>deal with denuvo boot times
>deal with stuttering
>deal with having to create and install uplay also
>deal with launch bugs
>deal with the game arriving ONE YEAR late

pirate:
>wait for a week or so
>read dank reviews about it
>read the reaction threads here and the wacky bugs webms
>baldman releases the crack
>download the game
>install and play in a matter of 20 mins
>no drm whatsoever
>dank pirate intro baked on launch
>dank midi music while installing
LADS

>play for 30 minutes
>realize it is shit from that all female studio
>uninstall and shitpost on /v/

>>381318756
And you could walk straight into a store. Assault the shopkeeper so that he ends up in a hospital. Literally steal a game. And end up with a less severe conviction than someone getting caught downloading an illegitimate copy online.

The world is fucked.

>>381318996
name one instance

>>381314109
it runs a fucking VM for what is supposed to be engine start code, so once(no performance hit)
guess what, devs can add whatever the fuck they like to it, and stuff triggers up your ass for days
so long framerate!

>>381319014
I don't have an example. But you can get 10 years in prison for downloading copyright infringing movies/games online.
and you shouldn't get that for either assault nor real theft.

yesterday they undenuvoed Hitman
my steam client downloaded 3 updates or so, about 1-2gb each
Denuvo is a fucking monster

>>381319091
>I don't have an exa
annnnd you lost me.

>>381319049
any evidence it dosent shut it down straight away? that impacts performance? whats your source, a 4chan post?

>uplay
>denuvo
>censored in Germany

100% pirate for me

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I've bought Total Warhammer and didn't even notice it had Denuvo until someone told me. The game runs silky smooth, it's THE most well optimized TW game ever, there are no DRM related notifications when launching or playing the game, I haven't noticed any fishy activity through task manager and my SSD is fine after 100h of playtime. Really, what's the issue?

>>381308034
>REEE STOP DEFENDING YOUR PROPERTY!!

>>381319235
People cry about shit they don't know shit about, because it scares them. Fear creates stupidity.

>>381319148
>annnnd you lost me.
Do I have to cite the lawbook for you or something?
Or does the law not matter unless there are examples cases to cite?

>>381319235
welcome to ninety ni-just kidding, 100% of the population who actually plays the games they shitpost about. obviously youve never gone offline or lost your connection, one of the legitimate complaints, but hey, your probably not third world

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>>381319303
But, anon...it IS my property.

>>381319303
I could give less of a shit about denuvo, but making me make a new account for a third party software that I have to keep running and log into then link my existing steam account to play a single player game, is unacceptable.

Denuvo has an excuse to exist, uPlay does not.

>>381319308
>Or does the law not matter unless there are examples cases to cite?
that would make it...unprecedented. which is a "law term" you may wanna look up. just, sayin

>uplay
>Duevno
>the mess hat was last season

i'll pass

>>381319376
no it isn't, you're just borrowing it

>>381319376
>agree to purchase a license
>REEEE I DIDNT PURCHASE A LICENSE

>>381319476
Even if I were to relinquish my control it would still be my property.

>>381319376
You're just renting tbe license for the game. It's always been like that, people just didn't realize it until digital downloads became more and more popular.

>>381309678
from this "muh piracy doesn't harm anything" bullshit away: Piracy always harms sells.

If you don't put any protection on a game, the game won't get bought, because why should you?
Even if the performance is worse, a protection is necessary.

But after Denuvo gets cracked, the company should remove the protection, because now it is literally just a harming factor for real buyers.

The legit customers have to "suffer", because a lot of customers would have never been customers to begin with, without protection.

And if someone says that The Witcher 3 did well, then you are not completely right. With protection The Witcher 3 would have been a much more financial success. Just look how cheap The Witcher 3 is right now. The main reason is because no one buys the game anymore, only for a huge discount.

But I would say pirates aren't the biggest problem. The biggest problem for the gaming industry is youtube/twitch piracy aka Let's Plays/Playthrough/gameplay. There are only a few online games like Overwatch which profits from those youtube pirates, but offline single player games are losing sales.

Why should you buy a game if you can just get the full experience from youtube, legally? I think developers should enforce their copyright and take every video with their copyright down. All those youtube pirates should pay for the loses they produce. Youtuber like Pewdiepie only got big because people wanted to see the games for free and youtube redirected them to the youtuber. All of those gaming channels are just stealing money from publishers. And the funniest thing is they are literally doing this illegally. The publishers could just take them to court and get rich.

Also publishers could make their own youtube channel with there content. They have the monopoly and 100 % of the clicks for those content.

I love the "MUH FREE PUBLICITY" bullshit. It is the exact OPPOSITE. Youtuber get the views because of the big game brand and not the other way around.

>>381319148
>any evidence it dosent shut it down straight away?
RiME code
that impacts performance?
>>381317787
whats your source, a 4chan post?
read the fucking baldman nfo dump you fuckstain

>>381319501
>>381319517
I don't understand. What does this have to do with the FACT that it is my property?

>>381319432
And that matters how in this case? Unprecedented or not it's still a thing.

>>381319408
>third party software
that would be Steam, since Uplay and the game both belong to Ubisoft
you could always buy the game directly from the uplay store

>>381319563
But they are selling it on Steam and using Steam to run the game, why do I need to run a store front I didn't buy the game on to run the game.

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>/v/ hates niggers for being niggers
>meanwhile /v/ is the nigger of the internet

>Want to get the game
>PS4 version in the UK will be censored
>PC version has Denuvo and Uplay

It's like they don't want me to buy the game.

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>>381308034
let me fix that shit for you, senpai

>>381319502
>if i continue to void the agreement and no one can punish me, its no longer voiding it
>>381319554
>the FACT its my property
>laughing whore.jpg
>wait they revoked my online cd key for diablo REEEEEE HOW COOOOULD THEEEY ITSMY PROPERT-

>>381319561
oh, then, you could cite me a case, no problem

>>381319773
No no, you don't seem to understand. It's my property.

>>381319860
>i literally agree its not my property
>okay now i disagree, after the purchase so its now mine

>>381319930
Relinquishing control is not the same as not owning property.

wait a minute
are you telling me, that in this day and age, some people still believe Denuvo does not affect performance?
are

what the fuck

>All these underage fags who don't understand that property license has been a thing since the very beginning of video games

Since Atari, since the beginning. Before even, with films and music. You have always rented, you never owned.

>>381319970
and never having control over something isnt the same as relinquishing control. a loaned license is no different to a loaned car. just because its in your fucking garage

>>381320028
Yeah? It's still my property.

>>381319996
You're talking out of your ass. How would something like Denuco affect performance? It has nothing to do with performance. It just hides the executable file.

>>381319996
>oh my gosh people don't believe something unfounded in current year?
post proof

>>381319996
wait a minute
are you telling me, that in this day and age, some people still believe god dosent exist

what the fuck

>>381320054
bor·row
ˈbärō,ˈbôrō/
verb
past tense: borrowed; past participle: borrowed

take and use (something that belongs to someone else)

>>381320154
Right, so I can lend things. But I cannot borrow them. How is this hard for you to understand?

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>>381320115
>It just hides the executable file.

>>381320130
>unfounded

>>381320223
no you can lend and borrow, its the same thing. im sorry, at this point i can only point you towards your closest preschool, and recommend basic english classes.

>>381320238
>baseless accusation
>round 4
maybe YOULL be the one who provides the evidence weve been waiting for

since 2014. yep. today will be the day