is it wrong to like it?

>>381306849
Loved it desu

>>381306849
I enjoyed it. I hear some people hated it because of it's batshit insane story? Which is odd to me because these games always have batshit insane stories, so I don't know what they expected going into this.

>>381306849
It's a fucking movie and has a retarded plot but it's miles better than V.

>>381306849
MGSV is out so no, you can like 4 now.

>>381306868
In 2010 this guy would've been shit on but he prob aight now.

I can understand tolerating it, but how could anyone like it, let alone love it? It has:
>more cutscenes than gameplay
>meryl and poop-boy
>snake gets the worst possible ending to his story
>sunny and her eggs
>boss squad with no personality
>mei ling ruined, naomi ruined
>worst codec
>NANOMACHINES
It has some good parts of course, but it baffles me when people say it was a fanservice game.

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>>381306849
>tfw you loved every single MGS game despite glaring flaws in each one
Feels good. I was just the right age when MGS came out in 1998 to fully understand and enjoy it's themes. It never let me go from that point on. Best franchise of games as far as I'm concerned. Literally poured thousands of hours into them.
Now if only we get a decent movie as a cherry on top.

>>381307247
after Snake Eater it was a total shit. the one who like it forgot about Snake Eater

The first two chapters are really really really really good

>>381307247
>more cutscenes than gameplay
so does bayonetta, but /v/ loves it

>>381307946
No, the first chapter is really really really really good, the second chapter has all the Naomi tracking stuff.

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>>381306849
It was the last real MGS game. Everything else was some other game series trying to pretend it was MGS.

>>381306849
I can't hate a game with one of the best final boss fights ever.

I want to finish MGS IV and then kill myself.

>>381309016
Hey Solid Snake, what are you doing in /v/?

>>381309171
I actually have a mental illness, so I am similar in that way to Solid
No offspring for me, one last punishment I should take

>>381309171
Is it gay that I compare myself to Solidus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWtjvtyDVU

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>>381309626
we're all a little more gay when we think about it.

>>381306849
its okay to like bad games. just make sure you know its bad

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>>381310106

Yes. Too cheesy

when this game came out was in a blockbuster and an old man came up to me asking if he should get like some medal of honor game, or mgs4, he didnt know anything either, I convinced him to get mgs4

I always wondered what happened to him after that, he couldve been baffled and hated it, or it could have changed his life

>>381306849
Gameplay has a lot of cool moments and the story can be seen as a metaphor for Kojima's depression or something. Seeing it after TPP made me like it a lot more, too.

This game ruined everything Solid Snake did by basically saying everything he did was meaningless and was always just a tool to distract GW and the Philosophers while Ocelot was the real good guy trying to save Big Boss. Only for Big Boss to die at the end, it was retarded.

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>>381306849

how can you not love the moment your pilot a metal gear?

>>381310245
>metal gear game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>too cheesy

>>381310331
Playing the previous MGS titles is pretty much required to get any appreciation to MGS4, as it is more of a movie than a game.

If that was MGS5, you could've gotten away with it.

I started being conscious with the story with MGS2 (played MGS1 as a 5 year old) and I didn't get what is referenced from MGS1, which was fuckton in MGS2.

Only assmad Xbakas and PC fags hate it

>>381310582
So was REX the best Metal Gear in the series?

>Unsurpassed nuclear capability
>Old and busted up but still managed to take down the newer RAY

If Otacon hadn't deliberately given it weaknesses, it would have been unstoppable.

>>381311046
well to be fair otacon install a mecha battlemoves in rex so when you fight him in mgs1 he can never do shit like those kicks

>>381308289
No, MGS2 was the last real MG game.

>>381311192
Only the tanker

>>381306849
Finally got down to playing this, I'm going to start the third act, the first two were amazing. I heard the third one sucks because of having to track one guy for a long time, but hopefully it won't suck that much.

>>381311189
They were always there, but Liquid didn't know about them so he couldn't use them.

But that aside, Otacon really did deliberately give REX some pointless weaknesses purely because he thought it "added character". He deliberately designed REX so that A) the pilot couldn't see outside the cockpit, requiring them to rely entirely on its sensors and B) making it completely blind should its sensors be taken out, forcing the pilot to open up the cockpit and leaving themselves exposed. If Otacon hadn't designed it like that on purpose, Snake may never have beaten it since none of his weapons are capable of damaging its armor.

>>381311301
Sneaking in an urban environment is pretty unique in the series. You can play with disguises/masks or just use the octocamo. Try them both if you're feeling bored

>>381311424
if i remember an interview i think rex was designed to do that but darpa dont allow otacon to implement the program in rex thats why he do it in mgs4

>>381311301
>the first two were amazing
Yeah, you liked all those boring cutscenes, and sneaking through COD-tier enviroments and level design?

Also, you just ended the best part of the game, the rest is when everything goes to trash and the entire plot and lore of MGS starts to get destroyed with surgical precision.

>>381311498
No, Otacon says that he secretly added the program in, but no one knew about it so no one could access it. The program was always in REX, it was just hidden.

>>381311301
>the game sucks just because you have to track the sniper with stamina which is decreasing over time

Retarded logic.

>>381310703
Playing previous MGS games will just give you even more reasons to hate MGS4.

>>381311629
No, the game sucks because the level design is garbage, the gameplay has no personality of it's own and because the story is so awful that it ruined games that came before, and games that would come afterwards.

Of course, now that MGSV is out, Zelda cycle redditors now start praising this piece of shit, which means the moment MG Survive comes out, these same people will start praising the turd that MGSV was.

This is why i'm glad the MGS fanbase is finally dying.

>>381311584
Some cutscenes were boring, admittingly, but overall it was a great experience.
>COD-tier environments
I liked them, and it's not a COD-tier environment, it's where war takes place. Was the jungle in MGS3 a COD-tier environment?
>COD-tier level design
You're delusional, the game is way better designed than MGS2's big shell and arguably certain parts of MGS1, not to mention up until now I've had more hours of gameplay than in MGS1 altogether, and up until now there were more rooms than in MGS1. From a gameplay perspective, the game is the best after MGS3, and writing is irrelevant because MGS series are corny in that aspect. MGS1 only has better codec, that's all it has over MGS4.

>>381311789
It's a boring middle eastern city and a countryside in South America.
They are just a blur of nothingness.

>writing is irrelevant because MGS series are corny in that aspect
So they are supposed to be completely fucking retarded and legitimately bad stories?

MGS4 gives me mixed feelings. Every game just fucks over Snake more and more.

>MG1: Betrayed by his superior.
>MG2: Betrayed by his friend and a love interest died right in front of him.
>MGS1: Forced out of retirement, injected with FOXDIE.
>MGS2: Framed for acts of terrorism.
>MGS4: Accelerated aging.

I was always kind of hoping that maybe, just maybe, things would turn out a little better for Snake. That maybe he'd finally be able to catch a break. But it never happened. What's worse is that from start to finish, Snake was always forced to pay for his father's and brothers' mistakes to the bitter end.

>>381311638
I played and liked mgs4 when I was 13 or 14 and I just liked the online mostly. Metal gear online was lit.

>>381311853
No, this was the point where Kojima finally turned on his autismal fanboys.
What's worse is that these drones are so addicted to sucking his dick, that they now praise the game made specifically to laugh at you.

>>381311852
Why is MGS4's story retarded? Why is it worse than any other one in the series save for MGS2 with its postmodernism stuff?

>>381311724
Oh shit, I thought he was talking about SE nvm then.

But yeah, you're right. MGS4 was all about nanomachines and that's why it got bad. At least he died off camera.

>>381306849
Yes. Always do what hi/v/emind tells you.
Having your own mind and taste is prohibited.

>>381311956
>makes the MGS3 codec team the illuminati
>makes the guy known for farting into an actual character
>that character has no personality, his only purpose is getting Snake's girlfriend
>Raiden becomes the average Linkin Park audience
>Big Boss brought from the dead a third time to deliver 30 minutes of exposition explaining what the fuck happened and then die again
>"hey Snake, you don't have FOXDIE, so you don't have to kill yourself, but that's irrelevant because your accelerated aging will kill you in a few months"
>everything about Sunny
>Ocelot rusing himself into believing he was Liquid is an actual plot point
>DUDE, FUCKING EVERYTHING WAS NANOMACHINES LMAO

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>>381312110
>everything about Sunny

>>381312352
>autistic 5 year old destroys the system the Illuminati made to control the planet
>muh 2burnt4u eggs

>>381307247
I felt cucked by Meryl desu.

>>381311956
It isn't really that the plot itself is retarded.
The problem is the presentation. There are cutscenes that seriously repeat the same information over 5 times. All the characters genuinely sound like they are fucking retarded. The game could have been half as long if anyone if anyone took the time to edit the script at all.
Also, Math Time with Big Boss went too far.

>>381312397
Naomi and Emma created the foundations of FOXALIVE; Sunny just combined the two together. Also, Ocelot was manipulating events so that she'd create FOXALIVE to begin with. It's just that Sunny just happened to slightly alter FOXALIVE in a way so that it only destroyed the Patriots without fucking up human society.

>>381312525
>It's just that Sunny just happened to slightly alter FOXALIVE in a way so that it only destroyed the Patriots without fucking up human society.
And this is the worst part of MGS4.

In MGS2 it's pretyt clear that the Patriots are the embodiment of the military industrial complex of the USA, and that destroying them could only be done by destroying the country, which would probably spark a chain of events that would end up in another World War and destroy the planet.
Yet in MGS4 all this is thrown away, the Patriots just were kinda there, manipulating some stuff.
It's pretty clear nobody wanted to make MGS4.

>>381307247
>Sunny and her eggs

Do you think the Sun is flat, Anon?

>>381312652
It was never gonna have such a downer ending and you know it.

>>381312726
It was never going to have an ending.
MGS2 was supposed to be the last MGS, that's why MGS3 ended up being a prequel, because Kojima didn't want to make a sequel to MGS2.

>>381306849
>asking if it's wrong to like anything
The fuck is wrong with you?
Ever heard of making your own opinion cucklord?

>>381311192
No, Metal Gear on the MSX was the last real MG game. It was all casual mainstream shit after that.

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It's okay to "like it", appreciate the potential and polish that is present, and not automatically shit on it at every turn.
But saying it's a good game is still totes wrong.

>>381307247
Literally everything you just listed can be skipped by pressing the start then X buttons

>>381310179
I just learned the other day that This Is Good Isn't It is unskippable.
At first I thought it was deep but I guess it's just because it transitions directly into the credits which are unskippable and is on the programming level treated as being a part of them.

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>>381306849
why is the US cover so basic?

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>>381312438
This tbhqh senpai
MGS4 would have been a lot less egregious if the cutscenes had been condensed (less pointless shuffling around, less dramatic pauses etc.) and people would have conversed like actual human beings.

post the girls

>>381310582

I marked out hard during this part

Culmination of an entire childhood

>>381310435
He was just saving Big Boss from being kept alive by the Patriots forever, it didn't matter that Big Boss died because it was about his freedom.

>>381311853
>a love interest died right in front of him

Holly was Snake's love interest, you bozo. Natasha/Gustava was Fox's, the man actually killed his own love interest because he didn't know any better. MG2 was very bittersweet about this stuff and Snake still manages to keep it to himself when Fox's about to die. The moment is very similar to the one when Snake lies to Naomi at the end of MGS1.

>>381306849
MGO is back online

The ending could have been so fucking good.
They should have killed of Snake.

>>381312785
Well maybe if he actually ended MGS2 in a closed ending, there wouldn't be a demand for a sequel. The data they've got about the Patriots being a bogus just set it up to the shitfest that is Naked Snake's team being the Patriots.

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You should take pride to like a game that someone else might not like.

It means you got enjoyment from it while everyone else sulks that it made you happy and bitches about it on /v/.

>>381307247
>>more cutscenes than gameplay
So? That's how they tell the story.

If you want only gameplay go play some Nintendo waggling babby shit and jump on mushrooms making retarded "wahoo" noises.

>>381320342
>open endings are a bad thing

>>381322556
>Open endings in a linear story
>Good

>>381306849
no.
its a great game
MARRRRRREEEEEEDDDD with flaws and bad plot

but the parts that are good are leaps and bounds beyond even mgs5

especially the now dead mgo

The gameplay was perfect, the stealth was intense as fuck specially in no kills no alerts run and the gun porn is god like.

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>mg1
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your brother
>mg2
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your brother
>mgs1
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your brother
>mgs2
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your brother/mentor
>Mgs3
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your mother/mentor
>mgs4
kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear, and defeat your brother/inner demons and die with your father(self)
>MgsV
Build your own big ass base to go and infiltrate a smaller ass base to talk with the guy who is building the metal gear only to kill him and lose the metal gear, defeat your son and cuck huey

all mgs include otacon/huey, snake, ocelot, a female sniper, nanomachines, metal gears. they're pretty similar

>>381323105
>MGS3
>Hemmerich
>Nanomachines
>Female sniper

>>381322702
But Snake told it was up to me to decide.

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>>381306849
BROOOOOTHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

>>381323487
fogot to add except mgs 3 (in some areas) too busy looking at pokegirls

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>>381311424
>tfw I realize the way Otacon describes why he gave REX the weakness as "a character flaw" is how you might describe writing a character
>he was probably thinking about how in his animus characters are always super strong but have some kind of flaw/weakness that holds them back
What a dweeb

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>more cutscenes than gameplay
This is a legit complaint, not even memeing I watched more cutscenes than it took me to finish the game. Removing all Johnny and Meryl cutscenes and toning down the length of other cutscenes by 2/3 would be a major improvement. Also I'd rather have bosses be ugly motherfuckers with various personalities behind them, the message of weaponized insane humans could easily be delivered with one boss being like beauty and the beast unit.

Kojima's magnum opus didn't deserve a sequel so butchered. But this game is still a 11/10 next to the shitfest that is V.

>>381306963
1 had a well structured story with interesting characters. granted it went to shit as soon as 2

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>>381317302
Not the same guy but Gustava's death still fucked Snake up.
>replay MGS1 after playing MG2
>that part where Snake says "I don't want to see any woman die right in front of me" after Naomi asks why he saved Meryl during the Mantis fight
>remember

>>381317307
get the fuck out...

for real!?

>>381311424
>need a reason for big dumb mech to have a weakness
>make the reason the fact that it needs a reason to be weak

So this is the power of Kojima...

>>381323487
There's a Huey cameo in MGS3.

It's retroactive in reltion t the rest of the series, but I guess it counts.

>>381324387
I know but it doesn't count because he doesn't actually appear there unlike in other MGS titles.

>>381310582
if you didn't have the ZoE theme playing during this fight, you did it wrong.

>>381308206
>the second chapter has all the Naomi tracking stuff
which was great

>>381308289
>tfw mgs turned in a monster hunter clone

>>381311638
Anyone who hates mgs4 but loves mgs3 outs themself as a retard.

>>381306963
it was a mess, I think that's the most people's problem

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>>381308289
nope the NES game is only real metal gear game

>>381312110
mgs 3 is even mroe retarded desu and if you preferred its story you cant be older than 12

>>381311789
>You're delusional, the game is way better designed than MGS2's big shell and arguably certain parts of MGS1, not to mention up until now I've had more hours of gameplay than in MGS1 altogether, and up until now there were more rooms than in MGS1
All irrelevant when you just walk through a straight line to progress

>>381326797
MGS3 is better precisely because it's just dumb video game fun all the way through.

>>381314613
If it was Shinkawa art it would be better than the EU and Japan covers, but they had to use an ugly render

>>381323105
>>mgs4
>kill the bad guys while infiltrating a big ass base and destroy the metal gear
You haven't played mgs4

>>381327112
its the most infantile saturday morning kids cartoon shit ever and its the worst numbered game in the series

you have utter shit taste, i bet youre one of those autistic mgs fans that try to learn "cqc" in real life

I fucking love every MGS game except dumb PSP games with a 5 fps lock

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>>381327329
>infiltrates shadow moses and the submarien base
>fights and defeats his brother multiple times including the rey and rex fight
>kills the bad guy mercs for hire
WEW

>>381306849

Nah its been long enough now, you just have too use buzzwords like deep or postmodernism

>everyone complaining about cutscene length
>no one remembers mgs4 is meant to be played episodically

>>381327479
>the last section of a game is the entire plot
>the first 80% of the game where you globetrot apparently doesn't count
>thinks destroying ray was the goal of mgs4
>kills people in mgs
kek

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>>381327382
I'm not even that big of an MGS fan, actually. I think 3 and V are the only good games in the series.

The entire canon is stupid and pretentious, at least MGS3 takes the pretentious part out and has fun with itself.

>>381311046
Ray was just THAT shit
Sunny could take four out with the mk2

>>381327702
so you like the worst games in the series, just goes to show what an utter pleb you are with zero taste, literally too stupid to fathom anything more complex than "go shoot bad guy lol"

/v/edditors hate MGS IIII because 99% of this board are clinically autistic with numerous disorders that prevent them from being able to sit still and watch cutscenes that last longer than 15 seconds. take your fucking ritalin, faggots.

>>381312110
>>Big Boss brought from the dead a third time to deliver 30 minutes of exposition explaining what the fuck happened and then die again
what if i told you sneak was the one that crossed to the other side and NOT big boss?

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>>381327652
>the entire game leading up to the apex isnt the entireplot
>globetrotting
>to find your brother and destroy the metal gear he will use
>mech battle =/= whole goal of the game
>he doesnt kill people and uses muh tranq
BTFO? huh....

>>381327891
Isn't MGS3 one of the only games in the series in which you can go most of the way through WITHOUT shooting the bad guy lol?

If I remember correctly MGS1 doesn't even have tranq weapons and 2 doesn't have the close combat system to allow it.

>>381328113
???
Did you really finish MGS4?
Both are dead. Naked Snake died by FOXDIE, Solid Snake is implied dead due to accelerated aging.

>>381328231
Not really seeing as you just spouted a bunch of gibberish, you should give it another shot though

>>381328352
The epilogue happens in the afterlife, notice how it was paramedic caring zero, and she was dead for decades on mgs4

I enjoyed 4 despite its flaws because it's the funny kind of stupid and the 20 minutes of gameplay were actually really good, debatably the best in the series, but WAYYYY overshadowed by the sheer amount of cutscenes.

I stand by the fact that this would be the best MGS game if it were 80% gameplay and 20% cutscene, as opposed to the current state of 80% cutscene 20% gameplay.

>>381328580
>11 years is "decades"
also what the fuck are you talking about Paramedic isn't there

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>>381328564
>im a dumb nigger who cant read
>i think ive won by using a PASSIVE AGGRESIVE comeback!
you have already lost the argument

I don't mind the long cutscenes it's how frequent they are, I'd prefer one 30 minute cutscene to a 15 minute one, you get to walk down a hallway and then another 15 minute cutscene

>>381324121
Have to have a modded PS3 but the guy making it is making a workaround for OFW PS3s.

They're transitioning to the final patch for MGO so it's gonna be fucking awesome.

>>381328710
She was pushing the wheelchair, go look it up

>>381328760
Don't be so hard on yourself

>>381328819
wut? Naked Snake brought him to the Boss's grave after finding him.

>>381328819
You're recalling a photo from mgs3 of paramedic pushing someone in a wheelchair, you're very confused and retarded.

>>381328819
I'm looking at the ending right now and there's no Paramedic anywhere.

Are you feeling well?

>>381328819
wasnt dr clark killed when naiomi released frank from the testing lab and he gutted her for being a bitch??

>>381329086
YeAh

>>381328812
>You'll need to wipe your PS3 for OFW patch
Oh man i don't want to re download Yakuza 5 on this fucking psn.

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I dunno, I actually really like MGS4 for what it is, but /v/ would never allow our happiness.
I think it works well as any series sendoff despite shortcomings.

Yes, duh, the original trilogy was better, I'm not delusional, but 4 has a deserved place in my collection.

I also think people talk too little about Ghost Babel for other reasons than trying to prove their forced Neogaf meme about Kojima, and that's a damn shame 'cause it's a fantastic alt title.

Even Peace Walker and Portable Ops catch too much flack, I feel. They're still great PSP games and interesting in their own right.

Even MGSV is at least "OK" as an open world game alone, despite being soulless as an MGS game.

>>381329556

Also, MGO was fantastic.

>>381307790
Every game is shit compared to snake eater

The contrarianism in these threads is honestly the worst part about them.

>tfw completed MGS4 five times.

No ragrets.

>>381306849
In /v/ it's wrong to like anything, this board would have crucified Chrono Trigger if It was around at the 1990's

Daily reminder that the stealth gameplay in V was actually good.