TF2 UPDATE PREVIEW

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From one of the members of the team

>people still play this dead game

kek

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Friendly reminder that no one will use the YER anyway, even if you think it got buffed. Pyro update soon, clutch that spycicle.

>>381265590
What's your favorite TF2 weapon and what changes would you like made to it if any?

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Is it just me or are all of these changes really arbitrary, half-assed "fixes" to community's general complaints about the state of the game? The problem is there's too many gimmicky weapons that are either too good in any situation (escape plan, uber saw, etc.), completely worthless (sun on a stick, fan o war, kunai, etc.), or some weird middle-ground that is hard to balance and annoying to play against (natascha, sandman, etc.). All they can do is continue to weirdly nerf or buff these things every now and then to keep things interesting.

I don't know why, I really like the Panic Attack, but I'm happy with the changes they've made to it, so.

>>381265590
NERF STICKIES

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>>381265763
>bring back piercing damage
YAYO, YAYOOOOOO

Predict Pyro's changes based on the nature of these listed ones.

>>381265763
Loch 'n' Load.
Change it back to how it was before the nerf.

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>I'VE GOT ANOTHER CONFESSION TO MAKE

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>>381265773
>Kunai
>worthless
Anon, please.

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>>381265763
just leave it alone

They really shot themselves in the foot with the Bison nerf, I second this.

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>>381265763
Loose Canon. I'd love for it to get reverted back to double-donking launching people 5000 feet in the air, and for it to one-shot medics again if you hit the donk. That shit felt good.

And if we're dreaming, I'd love for Demoknight to get reverted back to when he was good. Like those three days after he got buffed to where you could equpip the PP and fucking wavedash to keep up with the scouts was the tightest shit.

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I'm still fucking mad about the Sandman and Guillotine
>MUH RANDOMNESS

>>381265690
>about o get the biggest update it ever had
>dead

probably an overmemer butthurt that he still hasn't gotten le doomfist

>>381265964
I dont give a fuck about the Sandman

BUT MUH FUCKING GUILLOTINE

and i'm still gonna ruin it by using lmaobox

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>>381265964

>Goodbye to you my trusted friend

I hope the Vita Saw's changes get adjusted before the update comes out, it is literally "Ubersaw BUT NOW IT WORKS ON DEATH!"

The bonk nerf is bananas, and i don't even play scout

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>be shitter
>encounter scout with sandman and flying guillotine
>don't know what to do so i shit the bed instead of shooting the scout and get killed
Reminder, the same people who complain about this combo think Demoman, Soldier, and Pyro are overpowered

I really only like the Guillotine nerf because now it makes more sense, considering the weapon is just a cleaver.

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>>381265590
>Dead Ringer is finally nerfed
YES
>Heavy nerf is finally removed and GRU are made useful
YES YES YES FUCK YE--
>Engineer is still the same
>No Soldier nerfs
>No Scout nerfs
>No Demo nerfs
worry.jpg

>>381265931
>rockets can now properly aim
>but do as much damage as a pistol
>only the 3rd rocket can obtain random crits
>lower max ammo

>>381265897
Honestly no idea

But what I HOPE they do is

A). Fix the fucking flamethrower hitbox

B). Rather than try to make pyro into one specific role, keep the weapons mechanics relatively the same but change their stats so they all encourage even more a different playstyle. IE) Stock is best all around, Degreaser is for weapon combos, backburner is for flanking, phlog is for burning the shit out of people (though personally this thing needs a complete overhaul), and make 1 new flamethrower based on supporting teammates

I unironically play Mini Sentry Engi. I try to provide a small frontline with a dispenser and teles.

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>>381265763
Make the Buff Banner and Battalion's Backup charge faster, to be on par with how fast the Concheror charges. They're so good and so underused it makes me want to fucking kill myself when I play a not-soldier and see my shitters using it.
And maybe fucking make a loading screen tip to tell newfags to use buff on defense and backup on offense, that'd be great.

>>381266135
>No Scout nerfs
are you just predicting what the balance changes are before reading them?

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>>381265690

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>>381266065
>tfw you used a festivizer on your Sandman

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>random crits still exist

>>381266138
>do as much damage as a pistol
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>381266135
>No Scout nerfs
Did you read the whole thing? Scout got JUST'd even more than Spy.

>>381265590
>In that last thread.
>an idiot tries to tell good spies the amby nerf doesn't make it worthless.

Show yourself you fucking idiot because its clear you dont understand the situations spies are usually in even with that weapon.

>>381266095

apparently 6's players consider it one of the most broken things in the game, it's just kinda average in pubs

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>>381265931
>be beggars faggot
>suck in three rockets as i round a corner
>sneeze them all out
>instagib the entire room
>put ISIS attacks to shame
of all weapons it needs a nerf

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>>381266135
>engie and scout
>not nerfed
Here is your (you)

>>381266135
>>Engineer is still the same
>Rescue Ranger nerf

>>381266213
No, I'm just worried that some of the shit the community requested the most isn't in there. I know it's not final but still. I don't give a shit either way. The Heavy is no longer useless.

>>381266068
It doesn't even get as much uber either. I don't get what they were thinking.

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>>381266259
>apparently 6's players consider it one of the most broken things in the game
I must be pretty high level if I never see a pub average combo in my 6s games

>>381266267
>not wearing the executioner's hood and having an Taliban spray

>>381266305
>>381266294

Engi needed buffed, not nerfed. Not seeing Engi BUFFS is what worries me.

>>381266189

you're only fucking over the two most powerful classes in the game by using them. since the nerf i don't think anyone cares

>>381266267
It's just fun to rocket jump with man

>>381265897
>>381266182
New Flamethrower that supports a Defensive / Pybro setup somehow. Maybe one with a lower airblast cooldown to better reflect projectiles aimed at sentries?

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>ONE, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

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>>381266235
Stop being the worst 66% of players.

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These changes are all good.

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>>381265690
>people still play it
>it's dead

>bonk changes

fucking stupid

Okay, I quit playing months before the matchmakimg system was introduced, played a bit and quit again, will the update be worth reinstalling or should I just quit amd not cpme back? I mostly played stock scout, bit of engie and black box flavor buff soldier.

>>381266387

i don't understand your post? i don't believe bonk has ever been whitelisted or even considered for whitelisting

>>381266229

I overpaid for a Strange Sandman the day it came out, I could stun sniper from the other side of the map while shooting people in front of me, but shitters gotta shit I guess.

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I-Is it my turn to shine yet ?

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>>381265590
>Winger is still terrible

>>381265590
garbage

Not yet son, not just yet.

>>381266267
>>381266138

beggars is actually in a really good place now. Engineers shit all over them with decent positioning and you basically need to be in people's faces to land all the rockets. Maybe some encouragement for hoarding 3 rockets and discouraging rocket spam?

>>381266443
>hate the cleaver nerf
>hate the amby nerf
>am meh on the DR nerf, since shitters will just use the Le'tranger to get their cloak fix
>no demoknight buffs
>solly gets his hand held once again, when there are other classes that could use shit more
>vitasaw concept is retarded and pointless when ubersaw exists
>Bonk change seems fucking shit

Good on the Heavies and their buff at least. We can all be happy for that.

>>381265910
Nothing is worthless if you're skilled, but kunai is pretty much a handicap for the most part.

>>381266631
It's good though, you can juke the shit out of everyone if you know how to use it

>>381266406
>Engi needed buffed,
not if they never introduce class limits

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>>381266396
Soldier needs a balaclava/ski mask that only covers his eyes

>>381266547
>I mostly played stock scout, bit of engie and black box flavor buff soldier.
You're pretty damn lucky in that regard.

Scout's more niche weapons (Bonk, Sandman, Cleaver) got nerfed hard, Engineer only got one nerf for Rescure Ranger, and Soldier's Black Box has been untouched.

Half these changes are beyond fucking stupid. Glad I haven't launched TF2 in over a year and a half.

>>381266267
>a large group of clustered non moving people
Die to like 1/3 of the classes. Just because you were in that one specific situation that the weapon excels in, doesn't make it broken

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>>381265763
>Medic now gains 15% health when target is getting properly resisted
>during uber, Healing for medic is now 25% based on healing targets resistance
>bubble now last 3 seconds

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>>381266547
No, you're bad. Please migrate to a less skill-intensive game like overshilled, league of legends, or minecraft.

>>381266578
>ever being good
Anon thats a sniper harassing weapon at best, its a literal cardboard tube, unless the projectile recharge is reduced by 50%, fat chance

Why did they kill off the valve servers with the stupid matchmaking shit?

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>>381266569
The only "festive" I paid for was a festivizer for the Kukri
>tfw everyone gets butthurt about being melee killed by a stock Sniper

How does the 10x meta change?

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>Dead Ringer nerf

Good god, FINALLY an actual nerf, not a "nerf" like last time.

>>381266569
>>381266867
your scout main tears are delicious

>>381266132
>demoman isn't overpowered

>have excellent mid-range capability with stickies
>have really decent long-range and corner capability with pipes

oh that's great, this class should have some balance, make him have a hard time in melee and maybe do something about his mobility and -
>longest-range melee weapon in game that gives him extra stats on kills that are basically ezpz to get anyway
>lack of speed mitigated by fucking sticky jumping that lets you migrate the map faster than soldier can (lol midair sticky detonation)
>he still has 50 hp more than the average class

>>381266692
>Good on the Heavies and their buff at least. We can all be happy for that.

This.

Really the list isn't perfect but I'm happy that they finally un-JUST'd the Heavy, even if it took this fucking long.

>i'll still never get over the demo nerf being reverted almost instantly but the heavy nerf stuck around forever

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>>381266867
Well I mean he's got straight upgrades for that slot, but keep hamstringing yourself.

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>>381266867
>tfw i see de funes memes on /v/

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>>381266952
I'm not even a Scout main, I just liked this weapon combo

>>381266426
pyro needs a fundamental mechanics change to be gud. he needs

more mobility mechanics
more buffs to afterburn (status effects?)
more damage in general
harder to inflict afterburn

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>>381266964
I have a suggestion to nerf demoman so he's not overpowered
___________________________git gud

>>381266748
Some are interesting, some are pointless and some are bad. I don't know if any are good, per se.

>>381265590
They're pretty good, but I'm not coming back to this fucking game until they bring back Quickplay

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>nerfed sandman
>forget that Scout dies in one hit against Demo/Solly

>>381265852
Fully upgrading the old Bison was so fun and overpowered.
You could take on tanks solo while rest of the team scrubbed bots.

>>381266964
Demoknight are basically ass in most pub gamemodes that require moving up
and with every sword there is a health penalty in some way shape or form that hinders him.

r.i.p heli scout atomizer no longer has its passive 3rd jump

>>381266808

what else are you gonna use?

nobody uses the candy cane, basher is only for building in comp, sandman isn't great now and still has the health penalty, fan o war is an mvm weapon and nobody actually hits anyone with the bat

if the new atomizer turns out to suck there'd be no reason not to take the wrap assassin and just launch it down chokepoints when there's nothing else to do

>>381266964

Demoman's a fucking joke as is why Valve won't nerf him.

>redditors butthurt over demo nerf
>"DEMO NEEDS TO BE DAMAGE BACKBONE AND BEST MIDRANGE CLASS AND BEST DEFENSIVE CLASS AND BEST CRIT CLASS AND BEST AMBUSH CLASS AND BEST AOE CLASS AND BEST QUICK ESCAPE CLASS AND BEST POTENTIAL MELEE CLASS AND"
>valve ignores obvious blatant bias of comp demo mains saying demo needs to be better than any other class and refuse to nerf him
>because being a comp player means you're right

>>381267026
It's just personnal preference and a placebo really. Most of the time it seems to land a fucking crit, unlike the other Sniper melee weapons I've used in the past.

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>>381266510
>People still play it
>It's alive

Sorry. I wish it worked that way. TF2 is just as dead as Evolve is.

>>381266765
>using the vacc in all-crit servers

>>381266734
Ill give it a shot then
>>381266790
I only played LoL way way back and I got some taste since then, no need to be salty I play good characters anon

>>381267189
>>because being a comp player means you're right
They're listening to competitive players for these balance changes anon

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>>381267046
He was a great dude

>>381266259
With good reason, even a 1 second stun combined with an actually coordinated team is deadly.

>>381265590
Looks exactly like tf2. What exactly is supposed to be updated?

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>Ambassador nerfs
>Dead Ringer nerfs
>bonk nerfs

I'm gonna fucking SMASH

>no Dalokohs Bar or Buffalo Steak Sandvich changes

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Say goodnight to the bad guy.

>>381267064
since you have no argument then you agree with me and yeah we need to figure out a way to nerf demoman

>>381267275
not really, comp's mostly dead

it's the enclave of fuckboy demomains they still listen to though, but maybe demo will be nerfed this time around

who knows

>>381267061
>more mobility mechanics
Lower self-damage on Detonator jumping would be a fine start

>>381267330
The preview is the blogpost.

>>381267325

>an actually coordinated team

you use the basher, i'm not talking about comp

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>>381267261
>pocket a sniper
>literally ignore the crit and he takes regular damage while being resisted
>crit rockets did nothing except launch my target
all this while not being ubered
GIVE ME BACK MY UBERMENSCH

>>381267370
>since you have no argument then you agree with me
that's not how that works, shitter

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Who wanted Bonk nerfs, again? It's already incredibly niche and completely removes scout's secondary weapon for maybe being able to tank a sentry against an engineer who isnt running the wrangler for some reason.

>>381265590
>Panic Attack buff
>Dead Ringer nerfed again
>YER buff
>GRU returns to health loss instead of marked
But then
>Sandman buff
>Guillotine buff
>BASE Jumper nerf
>Danger Shield nerf
>Can't overheal Razorback Snipers
>Vitasaw nerf
>Minigun nerf
>Fist of Steel nerf
>Rescue Ranger nerf
I don't know what they doing. The Rescue Ranger especially doesn't need a nerf because not only do you have little ammo for it your buildings will get destroyed anyways if there's at least 2 people going at it.

>>381266132
it's funny that their goal was to remove randomness and reward accuracy when hitting two projectiles was just enough to reward accuracy
now it's absolute shit and there's no point in actually using either weapons over your primary

demoman nor pyro is overpowered but the fucking soldier needs his crocket sucked with all of these indirect buffs and "jack off all trades" bullshit these idiot developers think they're doing correctly, at this point soldier could very well outdamage demo dude if they keep this up

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>pick Demoman
>win

>Removed the haha I stunned you and threw a guillotine now die faggot combo

Thank fucking god

>>381266132
The Sandman reduces the Scout's max health from 125 to 110. The only notable 1-hit kill threshold this takes the Scout through is a direct hit from the Rocket Launcher at point blank range. The Scattergun will not 1-hit kill a Sandman Scout. The Grenade Launcher won't.

>>381266095
>>381266259
>>381266387
In a 6v6, if BLU team's Scout uses BONK! Atomic Punch, he is able to run past the enemy team with nothing able to stop him. This then leaves RED team in a dilemma:
A) Send back 1 Scout to fight him, risking losing your last point in a 1v1.
B) Send back 2 Scouts to fight him, leaving the rest of your team trying to cap with 1 player down and no Scouts.

This change will allow RED to put out a good amount of damage on the Scout running through with BONK! Atomic Punch meaning that he will massively slow down after and likely lose a 1v1.

>>381265852
>b4nny kept complaining how pub sollies ruin him with the bison
>nerfed
Literally took away what made the weapon even worth using in the first place.

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>>381267425
>sandman guillotine buff
Stop posting, retard.

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>>381267425
>Sandman
>Guillotine
>Buff

>>381265763
Machina

Play a different sound on a double-penetration kill (bullet penetrates two people before hitting a third) that sounds a lot more grand than the standard penetration shot sfx.

>>381267448

>I WALK ALOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNEEE

>>381267425
>cant overheal RB snipers
>Vitasaw changed to be sister Ubersaw
>Mingun Buff
>RR fairly nerfed
this is good

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>nerfed rescue ranger

>>381267448
You're missing the fun if you don't have sound with that webm, to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYWlWxOUJWc

Why they keep nerfing weapons out of the game it only reduces the amount of variety in the game.

>>381267390
det jumps dong carry you far enough to be useful, though. also tying mobility to one specific flare would be bad because it would upset the flare-shotgun balance

WRAP ASSASSIN BUFF

WHEN

>>381267596
The Rescue Ranger nerf is among the only major complaints I have with this update.

PBPP and Heavy buffs are excellent though.

>>381267425
>Can't overheal Razorback Snipers
so i don't need my gay bf to heal me so i can beat the ever living fuck out of your pocket gf

>>381267425
Sandman is nerfed tho

Danger Shield is not fun or interesting.

Razorback is banned in COMP for that exact reason

Vitasaw is a literal stock upgrade in 95% of situations. Its not interesting at all and its banned in comp because its an instant advantage

Miniguns got buffed tho

Wait, can you still give vaccinator bubbles to razorback snipers, considering that it doesn't block healing and therefore the benefits of über/kritz/bubble?

>>381267596
I only ever use that in MvM but yeah it sucks.

>>381265590
>It's hard to hit parachuting classes
how so? Unless they're right on top of you then it's not even hard to look up and left click.

>>381267596

me on the right

Spy fags got BTFO
Learn some skill you niggers

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Havent played in years.

Did they ever buff this or is it still worthless

>>381267662
>PBPP buff
>excellent
and nobody would use it because the Winger exists
nice try stupid

>>381266964
nobody gives a shit about demoknights but a demo smashing your shit in with a skullcutter, having a zatoichi or worst of all the fucking pain train (not even a good melee weapon but that fucking capping increase? really?) is completely unnecessary.

>>381267416
well give me a non-retarded non-memefilled argument as to why demoman isn't overpowered

pro tip: there's a reason as to why there's a limit to only 1 demo and medic per team

>>381267181
You either use bats for utility or you use bats for shits and giggles, normal one is fine for beating snipers and the cardboard is at best to show your robust dodging skills as you beat a motherfucker to death with cardboard.

Like you said, all thats left is the atom but even if nerfed, it still beats cardboard.

>>381267706
you can still give the bubble to RB snipers and resistance to them, you just cant Overheal them.

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>>381267659
>+50% increase in recharge rate
>bleed damage increased
>-80% melee damage
>+10% explosive damage vulnerability when using the weapon

>>381267596
me off-screen to the right

>>381267751
Literally a straight upgrade, lets you quad/quint jump, deny medkits, farm uber. Why would you ever use melee as scout anyways

>>381267747
I use revolver and IW. If anything, this makes me HON HON HON more.

Though the Amby was kind of unnecessary on changes in my opinion

>>381267628
Det jumping is nowhere near as practical as other forms of projectile jumping, but it does give you access/shortcuts to places Pyros aren't usually expected. I'd definitely like to see it expanded in some form, feels like a wasted mechanic

>>381267751
>worthless
You mean required on at least 1 scout per 6's team.

>>381267770
meant to link to >>381267162

>>381267425
>>Minigun nerf
If I see another nigger saying this I fuckin swear
Why is it so hard to read

>>381267770
>well give me a non-retarded non-memefilled argument as to why demoman isn't overpowered
because he's fucking easy to counter? go towards him if he's spamming stickies you absolute retard, fuck just SHOOT HIM

>>381267751
>worthless
it was never worthless you idiot, if you had a medic friend you could build your charge faster.
you can also jump higher than the atomizer (at this point, the boston basher IS the new atomizer)

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>>381265680
>>381265763
>>381267332
>"Players that are head-shot from across the map are expecting to see a Sniper in their death-cam, but they sometimes see (more often that we'd like) a Spy with a revolver"

This was the reason I used the ambassador. Nothing makes a sniper tip faster than irony.

>>381267751
Doesn't need a buff. It's an upgrade from the bat if you're gud.

>Dead Ringer
>Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter
If I was retarded enough to still play this unbalanced garbage, I'd drop it over this.

>>381267747
>Consecutively landing headshots from long range withiout a scope.
>Unskilled.

Unless you're talking about the DEAD NIGGER nerf I dont give a shit I never used it.

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>>381267448
>this webm

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>>381267731
>tfw the diamondback is still above any and all nerfs
>tfw spycicle
>tfw CnD

>>381267592
>Vitasaw changed to be inferior Ubersaw

>>381267596
who is anime girl?

>>381266235
>playing on a random crit server

Why did the razorback get nerfed???? Isn't it the WORST weapon in the game????

>>381267423
>bonk
>incredibly niche

bonk is banned in all competitions for how incredibly useful a brief fucking period of immortality is. You can nab medkits like nobody's business, distract sentries and shit all over trading with other scouts.

Holy shit Spies BTFO

>>381267997
>spycicle

I hope they nerf this garbage into oblivion like they did with the Sniper shields. Counter-counters are fucking awful.

>>381267997
Seriously why did they nerf the ambassador and not the diamondback.

I mean, I use it, but only because its literally one of the most OP weapons in the game but no one ever talks about it

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>>381267997
>CnD worth using whatsoever

even with all the shit nerfs like rescue ranger or atomizer rip heli scouts the panic attack might actually be used for what its name suggests and wont be almost useless compared to other shotguns / secondaries

>>381268032
Razorback is decent Spy bait, forcing them to uncloak because some spies feel the need to blow their cover.

>>381267997
>tfw my spy kit is just the default but with rare reskins like the big kill and poker night watch, and that rose knife

>>381268032
>(this primarily happens in organized/competitive play)
So basically they're shitting all over the game based on the mode that highlights why 4 classes reign supreme over the others in every single way.

>>381267871
let the pyro airblast himself

>>381267892
you really shouldnt get hit with the Skullcutter unless he charged at you or you get close.
Zatoichi makes you decide how you want to hinder yourself in the fight if you switch and you only get 50% health on kill
Pain train having that cap inscrease is still fairly balanced because you take alot of Damage from Bullets

>>381268113
CnD is really good at higher levels of play, just use it with the l'etranger and you've basically got as much cloak time as stock.

>>381268032
It's OP as fuck in any serious situation, are you retarded?
>>381268098
>>381267997
>hurr durr I can't read the first few lines of the post

>>381268113
>Not sitting ontop of enemy dispencer and spamming "the engineer is a spy"

>>381268015
She's a character from a movie called Little Girl Acedemia

>>381265680
>these changes are not set in stone.

oh god thats a relief I'am pretty sure there are alot of decent spies already giving them their two cents on it. Its a side grade thats about to become useless.

>>381268174
It's not banned in 6s dipshit, it's banned in HL.
Razorback is cancer sniper is already a strong as fuck class he shouldn't be immune to spies.

>>381268015
little witch academia, prepare for yays

>>381267360
Used to be Sandman does the full stun at any range and you only lost the double jump. Made it a hell of a lot easier to get the taunt kill.

>>381267997
>mfw use Diamondback, Spicicle, AND DR
>now i explore using Stock invis/CaD
>mfw Diamondback most likely wont get a nerf and the most it'll get is free Minicrit shots from backstabbing someone

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>Spy mains getting fucking obliterated

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>>381265590
>Soldier gets a buff with the mantreads
>Demo gets no nerfs
>Rescue Ranger nerfed
>Dead Ringer Nerfed
>Darwin's Danger Shield nerfed
>Stun + Cleaver combo dead in the water
It's a good fucking day, my niggas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZkfHdk-_nI

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Which weapons should they try to destroy next ?

>>381267229
>TF2 is just as dead as Evolve is.
>Chart shows only Battleborn and Evolve
Wat

>>381267902
>lmao just shoot the overpowered thing and kill it lol

did you forget the part where demo has an arsenal of melee weapons with increased range, including the fucking skullcutter that hits you for 80 damage, as well as pills that hit for 100, stickies that limit your ability to backtrack out of melee range when the fucking asshole is swinging his axe across the map, and 50 extra health to withstand any possible self-damage from those explosions? As well as an ezpz get out of jail free sticky jump card?

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>Atomizer
>Triple-jump as a passive effect is just too strong. It makes combat against the Scout unpredictable because opponents don't see the bat, and therefore have a hard time anticipating the Scout's capabilities until late in an encounter. It also makes the Scout very strong against explosive classes - due to a combination of extreme mobility and high close-range damage.
>It also makes the Scout very strong against explosive classes - due to a combination of extreme mobility and high close-range damage.
>Scout's job is a problem
>Still won't fix the Baby Face Blaster
>Pocket Pistol still garbage
>Guillotine gutted
>Sandman still getting nerfs despite being fine where it was from day 1

Holy shit just kill this game already.

>>381268547
Solly's Black Bitch

>>381268547
achievement items
then they buff promotional items

>>381268547
All Sniper primaries except for the Sydney Sleeper.
Sniper should revolve around PISS.

>Dead Ringer FINALLY getting the nerf it needed

Thank fucking god. DR spies were the worst because they could just spam their shitty watch, now they have to actually think out their decisions like with the other watches.

>Heavy buff
Cool as well, Heavy may now be un-JUST-ed

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>>381267528
>Gun that punishes people for running away
>get upset when you get killed for running away
Another reason for the nerf was because Tanks in MVM melted under fire from this thing

>sandman
>random
>ctrl+f for huntsman
>nothing
ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT NIGGER FUACKSDJF

>>381268547
I reckon they need to fuck with the direct hit, backburner and good hard nerf to the pain train.

>>381268547

machina
escape plan
milk

maybe FaN, it's either instant death or literally no threat at all. not OP, just shit counterplay

>>381267407
>heal gibus sniper
>he becomes jesus and everyone tries to kill him in a variety of different ways only to fail
Ah pre gun mettle vaccinator, too good for this world

Is steam down for any of you other nigs

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>>381266229
>tfw you used a festivizer on your Scottish Resistance after you re-learned how good it was

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>>381265590
>still caring about TF2 when Overwatch exists

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>>381268626
>On hit : Can gain up to 50HP
>-50% clip size
>Rocket speed slowed down by 10%

>Everyone complaining about the rescue ranger

As an engie main, I don't mind it at all. I've always felt it was a little over powered compared to other primaries, even if I did prefer to use the stock shotty. Plus the nerf doesn't even seem that bad, you just have to have a little bit of metal on you to heal your sentry to full.

>>381268615
>I'm pub trash who has never played this game at any serious level
You don't have the slightest clue how stupidly strong scout is in a good player's hands. Atomizer makes scout unkillable.

>>381266235
Your random crit chance literally goes up as you do more damage.

Get better than thou currently are.

They talk about collecting organs but they don't say what organs are for.

>>381268823
yes

>>381268615
>Scout's job is a problem
at this point soldier might as well be the new scout for flanking with all of these indirect buffs

>>381268787
Yeah, the Pain Train is just too good.

>>381268823
>steam is down
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>381268805
It was literally the Godmode of healing.
It was so much fun using it on orange

>>381268823
yes

>>381268201
>or you get close
this was a discussion about close range. IF you are outside of close range, you are in range for stickies, and there are fewer worse things to be in mid range of than the stickies

>zatoichi
only a point about a weapon with extended range that doesn't reduce your health though you could argue it does if you don't score a kill, but that's temporary

>pain train
with a medic on your ass, as demo usually has one the point is moot. Still ,if there is noone, that capping speed is stupid high.

>>381268908
>i'm pub trash who has never played this game at any serious level
You don't have the slightest clue how stupidly strong ____ is in a good player's hands. _____ makes _____ unkillable.

>>381268939
>Added: On-death, preserve 15% ubercharge per Organ harvested. This effect caps at 60%.
Next time try reading the whole thing.

>>381268939
Read it again. The more organs you have, the higher your retained uber on death can be.

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>>381268557
At this point you're just using facts of life for Demoman as excuses as to why you can't just kill the motherfucker.
>did you forget the part where demo has an arsenal of melee weapons with increased range,
Stay out of that range if he pulls out his melee weapon
>as well as pills that hit for 100
Don't solo him if you're worried about getting hit with these
>stickies that limit your ability to backtrack out of melee range
If you're in melee range you fucked up, shoot him
>and 50 extra health to withstand any possible self-damage from those explosions?
What weapon does this?
>As well as an ezpz get out of jail free sticky jump card?
Is your fantasy demoman opponent using the sticky jumper or any other sticky launcher?
You're really just making shit up to bitch about demoman, when all the problems you listed are easily fixed by just avoiding them altogether or actually fighting him

>>381268905

but part of what made it good was that engi could clutch - disaster happens, you barely escape and grab just enough on the way out for a lvl 1, and using the rescue ranger/jag can put up sneaky mini hold whilst your team respawns and recomposes

nerfing it just makes engi a bitch to ammo spawns again

>>381268972
They need to split it into two like the equalizer

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>>381268887
>playing poverty tf2 when you can play the real one for free

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>>381266631
>>381266706
>no more Triple-Winger jump

WHEN IS JUNGLE UPDATE

>>381269203
Good idea. Would you use the Pain, or would you use the Train?

>>381265590
>darwin's garbage bag

>>381268547
all of the soldier's banners make him slower and heavier when deployed

>>381269240
>poverty
>overwatch $59.99
>tf2 free
Really made me think.

>>381268615
A design they are going for is one where you can know exactly what you're up against, its why all items with resistances, changes to the way the class plays or more health show on the character with little exceptions
it's why the dds, cozy camper, eyelander heads (eyes glow), Battalions backup, and other things show
the atomizer was an exception because you couldn't know if they were using it, so they tied that loose end. also it was ridiculously good

>>381269253
I forgot why those weapons correlated together in the first place, now you even made me more disappointed.

>>381269085
>an extra 50 health to withstand any possible self damage from those explosions
>What weapon does this

Ali baba's wee booties or the bootlegger. Sacrifice your pills for 50 hp.

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>Still no paintable cowmangler
This game looks like shit. What's one more shit looking item huh?

>>381269281
I expect it coming out in July. given that they're finally breaking their silence about it.

>>381269341
>no mods
>no custom maps
>no community servers
>1/100th the content

They should have just given the Atomizer a passive downside of losing health on double jumps as well as the triple jumps.

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>>381269429
>Ali baba's wee booties or the bootlegger. Sacrifice your pills for 50 hp.
So where does the complaint about pipes doing 100 damage to you fall from? With you eliminating his pipe launcher, you only have two problems to deal with - which are his sticky launcher and melee weapon of choice.

>>381268932
>enemy solider hasnt done jack in the beginning of the match
>he walks out and shoots a random crit
>if hes lucky, valve will give his next shot a crit

>>381268794
>escape plan
they already destroyed that back when it was split into two weapons. seriously, the pick was made specifically to counter demoknights and further fuel the whole WAR thing going on there.

>>381269314
I'd use the Pain for the extra vulnerability but maybe swap out for the Train on point maps.

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>>381269515
I wish I had one of these glitched painted Cow Manglers

>>381269085
>stay out of that range

Meanwhile your argument in >>381267902 is "go close to him". Which one is it?

>>381269085
>don't solo him
Well then, if a class can't quite take him solo, that means he's generally stronger than them? Oh, wait, all of his primary and secondary damage is also AoE?

>>381269085
>if you're in melee range

Again, >>381267902 clearly says "go towards him". Do you mean run towards him, when he can pill you, or set a wall of stickies between you and him?

>>381269085
>what weapon is this

the default weapon called "demoman" who has 175 hp as opposed to the standard 125

>>381269085
>sticky jumper or any other sticky launcher

fuck, did you ever play against a non gibusvision, or god forbid an actual match? There's a reason why demomen are limited to 1 in most serious gamemodes and that is because they are hilariously overpowered, can completely zone off areas, have amazing damage output in all ranges and have above average health.

>>381269341
He meant how watered down the gameplay is. You paid to play a game that poorly mimics a free one.

I did too.

>>381269429
>>381269592
it's also actually 25 hp that the two boots increase your health by

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>Nerfing BASE Jumper
Fucking what? Why? What sort of fucking mongoloids are they listening to that're telling them people are HARDER to hit while BASE Jumping? I cannot even fathom the thought process that lead to this nerf. The BASE Jumper just became the single-most useless item in the entire fucking game.

>>381269314
Shitposting aside how would that work?
>The Pain
>-10% bullet resistance on wearer
>no random crits
>gain 5% more health from health packs
>The Train
>+10 capping speed
>10% more charge speed
>no random crits
>-15% fire resistance on wearer

Anyone notice no mentions of random crits in the changes.
Do they think they will be removed in the next update?
A lot of people are predicting it after Jill said he didn't like them and they might need to go to bring casual closer to comp.

>>381269576
>no mods
I think I'm okay not playing Lego map #1424
>no custom maps
See above
>no custom servers
Oh no, I don't get furry and brony servers to play on, I'm really missing out.
>1/100th content
What is there to do in TF2 besides play 2fort all fucking day?

>>381268908
Yeah no shit, I've been playing Scout since day one. I LOVED being that stupid strong unkillable Scout in a good player's hands! This is the problem these days, people cry when someone shows skill and dominance so they cry to the devs for castration.

>>381269761
Really hope they do

Remove random bullet spread in casual as well though

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>>381265590
>New DDS
LOOKS LIKE HUNTSMAN'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

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>>381265763
Bring back 8 stickies so I can teleport

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>>381265590
>Cleaver Sandman combo has been destroyed

fuck that shit was my favorite

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>>381269721
Honestly, just makes em alot more easier to shoot now, and to spot the fucking retard on your or the enemy's team.

>>381269721
Because some people can't aim and it's NOT FAIR!

>>381269814
>Literally all of my knowledge of TF2 comes from Youtube videos

>>381269721
>What sort of fucking mongoloids are they listening to that're telling them people are HARDER to hit while BASE Jumping?
6s players who actually know what they're doing and how to abuse it. Spamming the parachute made your movement very erratic and unpredictable and once you get up to the skybox projectiles are easy to avoid and hitscan barely does any damage at all.

>>381268905
I'm still waiting for the Short Circuit to be buffed, I mean god damn it's pretty useless now with that small ass cone and the new primary fire you may as well jusut use your wrench

>>381269814
>unironically defending no custom servers
>defending not being able to pick what map to play on

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>>381269592
Not that anon. im just answering a question.

BUT Most demomen that use these boots tend to grab either a sheild and sword turning into a demoknight or a sticky jumper and some other melee weapon making an aerial attack or a demoman landing behind you a serious threat.

Course both these issues can be easily solved by paying attention to your surroundings and having a decent gun.

>>381269341

OW is played by people who play whatever FOTM twitch esports hype train is popular at the moment

tf2 is played by people who actually like video games

your game is the most dumbed down "arena shooter" ever released that is literally "press x and something cool happens" and i can promise you that in 3 years literally nobody will give a shit about it

>>381269902
Nope, I have about 500 hours in TF2. Overwatch is just a better game.

>>381269041
Is this a joke? Half the classes on this garbage game are worthless. And I'm not even talking about comp.

>>381269814
>I have never played TF2

>>381269935
lol, they aren't going to re-buff that, anon. it's a lost cause.

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>>381269814
>blizzdrones so cucked they have to cherrypick bad things to justify having none at all

>>381269836
>bringing up skill when its high level players who hated this weapon the most
you're just a pub shitter who doesn't know what he's talking about.

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>>381269868
this + caber

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>>381268547
remove rocket jumping from the game entirely

>>381269857
>still no hitbox fix on the Huntsman

>>381269879
>>381269908
>>381269896
>B-B-BUH 6s PLAYERS COMPLAINED AND WE MUST DO EVERYTHING THEY SAY
Making the game less fun for the sake of LE ESPORTS xDDD is killing this game.

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>>381270013
>I have about 500 hours in TF2. Overwatch is just a better game.

>>381269734
The Train would be way too overused with this cap rate. Something like +2 cap speed and -10% damage resistance would be good I think. No idea on The Pain though

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>>381269678
>Meanwhile your argument in >>381267902(You) is "go close to him". Which one is it?
Stay out of melee range if he pulls it out, stay out of his sticky range if he has it out you jackass
>Well then, if a class can't quite take him solo, that means he's generally stronger than them? Oh, wait, all of his primary and secondary damage is also AoE?
>>Don't solo him if you're worried about getting hit with these
Nice try discounting the rest of what I said
>Again, >>381267902 (You) clearly says "go towards him". Do you mean run towards him, when he can pill you, or set a wall of stickies between you and him?
read: above
>the default weapon called "demoman" who has 175 hp as opposed to the standard 125
What did he mean by this? Is demoman supposed have the same health as scout because you can't hurt him enough?
>fuck, did you ever play against a non gibusvision, or god forbid an actual match?
not an argument
I asked specifically if they were using the sticky jumper or any other sticky launcher because you claimed he has a "free card" to sticky out of any situation. Given that you're attacking him, it can be assumed that you actually got shots off onto him lowering his health and making it a risk for him to sticky away from anywhere. However, since you say he's so overpowered, and that his "free card" allows him to fly away at any time, it looks like you actually can't damage him whatsoever.

>>381270069
>removing skill based movement
this isn't overwatch

>>381270013
>500 hours
Stop, please. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Never forget

>>381270013
Why are you lying on the internet, anon? Ogrewatch is a watered down version of TF2 with gender swapped clones.

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This shit game full of bronies, furries, pcbros and 11 year olds still has updates?

How are they still making money from this garbage?

>>381270106
yeah, okay. like, i agree with you. what the fuck are you getting at?

>>381270106
>I know better than people who have dumped thousands of hours into the game!
okay champ go win i61

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Is there any fucking reason to use the Darwin's Danger shield at all now? At what time would a Sniper need to fight a Pyro in close quarters in any situation other than an ambush, in which said Pyro could just as easily whip out the Powerjack and smash your face in regardless? This change boggles my mind.

>>381270042
Haven't touched a pub match in years, mostly stick to community servers with people that could be competitive if they wanted to.

>>381267596
Rescue ranger was overpowered.

Which class has the better banter: Soldier, or Scout?

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>>381268693
>balancing for mvm

>>381270106
The hell are you talking about? Why give me a (You)?

The base jumper is shit, and you should feel like shit for not knowing how to shoot your gun while rocketjumping.

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>>381270165

>>381270178
You answered your own question.

>>381269721
The only thing it needed changed was removing the redeployment thing, when I use that shit I can never be headshotted by snipers because I'll just drop down and shit on them. Lack of air control is retarded when you already lacked it.

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>>381270013
>500 hours
we gotta fucking plat player right here folks

>>381270284
>community servers
oh yeah those vsh and 24/7 dustbowl servers you sound like a pro

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>>381270069
I know its bait but cmon.

>>381270106
Are you fucking retarded?

high im pocket here, I don't read patch notes because they haven't made any meaningful changes in years, is anything in this patch going to affect 6s?

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>>381270165
>volvo removed the longer charge distance
>and charge gained on kill
>was literally the best Bolt and cut sword
I will never not be mad
>>381270274
i guess for the set bonus for that gravestone but really no reason now

>>381265964
rip combo-ing heavies

>>381270165
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

>>381270274
have you even played tf2 in the last few years? scorch shot is what every pyro is using nowadays to fuck over snipers.

>>381270046
I still don't like how they nerfed caber. literally no need to since it's a melee weapon and once it's used you're boned. Also no more running around with the boots and shield instagibbing RED stragglers for funsies.

>>381270165

you get the longer melee range with no passive downsides whilst sheath

i think it's the legit best "i'm gonna shoot stuff but may occasionally hit some cunt with this" melee

They nerfed a bunch of things that have a high skill cap. They weren't overpowered, you actually had to use them skillfully in order to succeed with them, like the sandman and ambassador. They basically just dumbed the game down so shitters who aren't as good will have a better chance against those. Fuck this noise.

>>381265690
>i dont like it anymore so its dead
lol
10 years nigger

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>>381270069
>Fixed a bug where soldiers, pyros, engineers, and demomen could propel themselves into the air with explosives.
>Removed rocket jumper and sticky jumper
>Boosted uncharged headshot damage from 150 to 500
>Fixed a bug where spies could instantly kill a player by meleeing them from behind.

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I miss when they used to add content to the game instead of just changing old weapons to be less fun.

>>381266578
I'd rather use my strange collector's fan o war

>>381270284
well nowadays "competitive" includes highlander iron and steel, which are just organized pubshitter matches

if you don't play in at least ESEA-im, you are NOT good at this game, sorry, for medics you have to be at least invite, any monkey with half a brain can medic in im

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>>381270349
>>381270158
>>381270115
>your opinion doesn't matter if you don't play 1000000000 hours
You dropped your hat

>>381270069
dude rocket jumping has been an integral part of the soldier's skillset since Quake.

>>381266964
>have excellent mid-range capability with stickies
Get's out DPS'd by soldiers and scouts now.
>Have really decent long-range and corner capability with pipes
Inferior to rockets
>Lack of speed mitigated by fucking sticky jumping that lets you migrate the map faster than soldier can
At the cost of a giant chunk of your health, just because it goes farther doesn't mean it's better. Rocket jumps are much more practical in combat, demo has to really commit when he jumps.

>>381270354
Not anymore. Stopped taking the game seriously years ago and now just in it for the shits and giggles. Nice try assuming I bother with vsh and 24/7 maps though, as if I started playing the game a year ago.

>>381270165
>this got nerfed
>persuader got nerfed
>caber got nerfed
why they doing this to us fellow demos?

>>381270557
>Fixed a bug where classes other than Sniper were selectable

Will this update finally kill Tumblr Fortress 2?

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>>381270589

>>381266964
>lack of speed mitigated by fucking sticky jumping that lets you migrate the map faster than soldier can (lol midair sticky detonation)
>migrate the map faster than soldier can

what in the absolute FUCK are you talking about? no, just fucking no

>>381270013
>I have about 500 hours in TF2
I'm pushing 600, it's not a lot for this game.

But what about the comics, tho?

>>381267448
>slowed down like it would be badass
>he misses every single shot

>>381270589
don't talk to them, you might catch autism

>>381270583
Highlander is so damn boring

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>>381270776
>>381270589
heres the (you) you wanted homo

>>381270349
>>381270158
>>381270115
>There are people who wasted more than 500 hours of their lives in a single video game
Seriously?

>>381270694
>Stopped taking the game seriously years ago and now just in it for the shits and giggles
So it's like I said, you don't know what you're talking about so your opinion isn't worth jack shit.
If you can't play TF2 at a high level then you don't get to talk about game balance.

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>>381270069
fuck off

>>381270589
>posts a shit opinion
>barely played the game at all
>probably doesn't even have 6's experience.
Fucking, nice.

>>381265763
Unironically the Black Box. I just want the HP on hit nerf reversed.

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too busy playing overwatch. TF2 doesn't even have girls./

>>381265590
jesus christ that webm is so fucking edgy. I bet some 15 year old made that to get out his school shooter urges.

>>381270589
Yeah let's balance around pub players!
Better nerf pyro and heavy into the ground because they're so op!