http://www.teamfortress.com/post.ph p?id=30147 BALANCE CHANGES ARE OUT

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HOLY SHIT

>>381254036
>http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=30147
OMG

MADMEN

Mantreads

The second least-used item in the game. The aerial stomp mini-game is difficult, and The Gunboats are superior in most scenarios.
Changes:
+75% push-force reduction now includes airblast
Added: +200% air control when blast jumping

FINAL
ISSUE
FUCKING
WHEN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee~

>>381254036
YER buff.
Time to main spy guys

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>they killed the panic attack

Prediction:
>nerfed every class but Soldier
>buffed Soldier
>again

Let's see how right I am.

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>Dead Ringer

>Feign death is an interesting effect, but a good Spy can use it extremely frequently making it frustrating to play against and reducing the risk of using it nearly constantly

>Goal: Rather than make it less interesting, let's make it more predictable to fight against by removing methods by which Spies can reduce its cool-down. This should create more of a rhythm to fighting against a Spy using this and introduce a little more risk to player using it.

>Changes:

>Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter

>All Miniguns

>Changes:
>The 1-second damage and accuracy penalty now applies to the first second of spun-up time, whether or not the Heavy is firing. Previously, the 1-second damage penalty would only be removed after 1 second of firing.
>Accuracy and damage penalties now reset when the Heavy spins down, rather than when the Heavy stops firing. This means if you stay spun-up beyond one second, and fire in bursts, damage and accuracy will remain at 100%.

YES!!!!!

>Rescue Ranger

>The ability to repair buildings safely from range without using metal is powerful. Combine this with the ability to instantly teleport buildings from far away - which by itself is interesting and useful enough in many circumstances - and you end up with a package that is very strong.
>Changes:
>Ranged repairs now consume metal (at a 4-to-1 health-to-metal ratio, e.g. repairing 60 damage costs 15 metal)

NO!!!!

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>New panic attack stats
>neutral about the ambassador stuff
>dead ringer stats YES
>eternal reward disguises now consume cloak
>scout stuff YES

Im especially happy about the minigun changes and the GRU.
These changes are great, did they re staff the TF2 team?

>>381254036
Kek Spies got nerfed HARD.
Good thing I play a set for Soy that got literally no downgrades.

>>381254036
>nerf the stupid amby spies' fun
wow this is worse than the fucking bison change

>>381254773
With the increase in pellets and faster switch speed it will do more damage up front yet have a wider spread.


You could still do sneak attacks but its now better at defense.

>>381255171
it's just the family business now

Were the soldier buffs really necessary? Fuck.
At least Scout got things changed a bit.

>>381255362
All they did to soldier was buff the mantreads to make them more than a meme weapon

>>381255304
The family buisness doesnt have more pellets. Besides this thing is for telling scouts to fuck off.

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>Sandman is now useless
Shit

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>>381254834
Was absolutely correct

Thank god I uninstalled this game years ago

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>still no word on unfucking the bison
valve
please. I know you're not done yet, but please, someone look at what they've done to the bison and realize your horrible horrible mistake.

>>381254036
>still no new weapons because valve moved 90% of the people working on tf2 to cs:go
Feels bad man.

>>381255592
>buffing Soldier further
>in a patch where he's the only one to get anything resembling a buff

Fuck off, youtube warrior. Your class has been pandered to for years.

Valve really killed the Sandman/Guillotine combo. My go to loadout for 85% of the time because people complained about dying in an FPS. I don't know how to feel about this.

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>The Atomizer

Triple-jump is now only possible while the bat is deployed
Removed: Self-inflicted damage when triple-jumping
Removed: Attack speed penalty
Added: Melee attacks done while airborne mini-crit
Added: 50% deploy time penalty (to prevent quick-switch by-pass)
Reduced damage penalty vs players to -15% (from -20%)

>Added: Melee attacks done while airborne mini-crit

This is going to be fun

>>381254036
>everything nerfed into uselessness

gee thanks

I'm glad I quit years ago

>>381255718
The Bison was the weapon of choice for actual serious Soldiers, fuck you.

>>381255662
To be fair, there's like 50 weapons in this game that suck dick and could be redone to be not shit.

>>381255718
I don't know what you're memeing about but the Bison never deserved that nerf, stop playing as Spy and Pyro.

primeval warrior here, is it worth getting back into it?

how is the balance?

did demo get gutted?

>>381255806
Nerfs aren't an inherently bad thing.
They can be good.

what is valve doing.
Also the vitasaw is useless now gg. Might as well use the ubersaw

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>lets kill the tiny remaining smidgens of fun the game has left: the patch
it's finally time to uninstall I think

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>>381254036
>made your eternal reward lame
>made bonk shit
>made crit-a-cola shit
>made atomizer LAME
>made base jumper SHIT
>unnecessary razorback buff
>made vita-saw nothing but a shitty ubersaw (while not changing ubersaw)
>instead of diversifying they made eviction notice GRU lite again
>implying that a fist of steel heavy on the point was ever a big fucking deal
>made rescue ranger shit
Wow this was absolutely awful, mantreads and danger shield were literally the only cool changes.

>>381255974
oh I forgot
>made sandman lame AND shit

>>381255974
The pocket pistol looks like it's gonna get better, and guillotine is getting a buff

>Dead Ringer
>Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter
Are you fucking serious.

>>381255846
I guess... but they said they were making new weapons with the pyro update that I doubt will ever happen.

>>381255924
It's pretty much the usual TF2. I noticed SLIGHTLY less f2p scrubs compared to two years ago.

>>381255535
Except not everyone besides soldier got nerfed, and Soldier got buff on a gun that was least used due how undereffective it was

Stop shitposting

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>Dead ringer can no longer be filled by dispensers and kits
>Darwins removed the bullet invincibility for fire resistance and afterburn immunity
>Razorback regenerates after 30 seconds and gives you less overheal
>Ranged repairs now consume metal (at a 4-to-1 health-to-metal ratio, e.g. repairing 60 damage costs 15 metal)
FALL IN MEN, ITS HAPPENING

>>381256162
finally i can try something else that is not the RR

>>381256104
Get fucked, learn to play with a good cloack.

>they killed the sandman cleaver combo
Why even use cleaver at all now

>nerfing the amby

what is even the point of playing spy any more?

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They didn't have the change these weapons really. They were perfectly fine aside from the Darwing Shield
>tfw Scout no longer has a good weapon synergy now

>>381256302
>>381256289
t. shitter players
time for you to learn stock and stop sucking cock

>>381256302
The point is to be a close range class, not a fucking sniper or an attack class.

Fuck you niggers, those changes are great, except maybe Bonk, and the Fists of Steel one was pointless, but who gives a shit.

The scout and spy nerfs are way too much, I feel like an angry soldier player made these changes.

Rescue Ranger change is justified.

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>all these butthurt spies
Glorious!

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>Mantreads
Holy fuck, what is the air control gonna be like?
>Ambassador
Unnecessary nerf IMO. It was a long range revolver by design
>Dead Ringer
Thank god it's nerfed, but i fear all DR spies will run it with the Big Earner, forcing a specific loadout
Vita-Saw
Oh boy, i want to use this one

>>381256350
>They were perfectly fine
No. The Spy nerfs were long due. I saw too many spies playing carelessly. Spies are supposed to be fragile, sneaky and silent, not a one man army.

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>nerfing scout
>making DDD and Razorback more balanced
>Nerfing GRU
>Buffing Mantreads and the Pocket Pistol
>Make YET actually useful
>MINIGUN DAMAGE AND ACCURACY RAMPUP STARTS GONIG AWAY WHEN THE MINIGUN IS SPINNING AND NOT FIRING, AND WILL NOT NEED RAMPUP UNTIL THE MINIGUN STOPS SPINNING

ARE WE SURE THIS IS VALVE

>>381256394
>Only play stock because Comp plays it! It's the best!
I want to have options nigga, but Valve seems adamant in making it otherwise.

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Ambassador
>First-shots are no longer perfectly accurate. Bullet-spread is instead reduced by 50%. This makes head shots less reliable at long range, while still very viable at close and medium-range.

>>381256350
if you'll notice, most of these are "muh comp" changes when all of 20 people give a shit about that gamemode

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>>381254773
another one bites the dust

>>381256497
Scout didn't get nerfed for shit.

>>381256350
>tfw Scout no longer has a good weapon synergy now
>Not using Force, Cleaver, and Wrap for max mobility and bloody bloodlust

>>381256584
I've never been headshotted by an Amby so I wouldn't know. Maybe this Amby nerf is good too then.

>>381256302
>adding rng spread to the first shot
lads, looks like CSGO is leaking into the game again

>>381256612
you dont have to only play stock, there are still like 4 other spy and scunt items you can use that are reliable.

>>381256289

They killed both individually as well. There's no reward to getting a sandman hit. If it also showed firing speed or your aiming speed of the hit player then I'd understand the change, but there's no reason to go in on someone hit with the ball as it stands now.

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>This is not the complete list of changes. Some items (and classes) are still being worked on, and are not ready for review.

t-there's still hope, right?

>>381256738
I would rather finish someone directly rather than doing DoT, and also keep the normal melee damage.

>>381254036
>Dead game

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>>381255534
hehehe , g-good joke anon

>waited 6 months for this

>>381256857
I just want my laser pistol back. Maybe do something interesting with the Pomson too

>>381256979
>11 months

>>381256857
as much as i would love for the bison to have its piercing damage back again, its probably not gonna.
heres to hoping they balance out the other soldier shit and pyro

Reminder the Dead Ringer's entire purpose was to say fuck you to crits.

Anyone who thinks Spy was a worthwhile class to play with crits is fucking ridiculous.

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>>381256929
Y-yeah, I know r-right ?

>NERF SANDMAN AND FLYING GULLOTINE BECAUSE OF SHITTERS


I'm livid

>>381254036
SCOUT
>already useless joke weapon nerfed
>already useless joke weapon nerfed
>already useless joke weapon nerfed
>crit-a-cola totally reworked, now makes every attack mark for death instead doing increased damage directly
yeah this is definitely an improvement, right? better to have the entire team minicrit instead of just the scout. YOU FUCKING RETARDS.
>atomizer nerfed
fuck you. fuck you. this is why nobody respects you
>already useless joke weapon nerfed

literally the only thing that keeps scout viable at all is winger+atomizer. nerfing atomizer is literally PURELY to coddle soldier main scumbags who want to go back to being the Agility master-class as well as Sustain-DPS and Tank. fuck you.

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>Vita Saw is now just a weaker Ubersaw
>Sandman/Cleaver combo is now nonexistant
>Pyro indirectly nerfed yet again with the new Darwin's Danger Shield
Be grateful that Valve's talking about these changes now, otherwise there'd be plenty of salt once the update came out

>>381256607
They might've done what comp players suggested after what happened with Beat Your Meat

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>every balance change is somewhat reasonable
have they moved entire Dota2 staff to make the TF2 update?

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D-did they change the dev team?
>That fucking Pocket Pistol Buff
THIS IS GLORIOUS!
Can't wait for all those youtube Spy mains to start crying.

>>381256983
Man, the Pomson was the shit when it was just released. Them tears. Of course they had to kill the battle engi, bastards.

>>381254036
Hey it only took them 7-8 years to finally kneecap the Sandman.

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SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR CRUTCHES FAGGOTS

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>those spy nerfs
CRY MORE FAGGOTS
thank you for the Eternal Reward buff too

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>>381257039
THIS IS ALL A DREAM AND I WILL WOKE UP AAAAAAAAANY SECOND NOW

>>381257059
>better to have the entire team minicrit instead of just the scout.
this is good though, scout can do offensive support to the faggots he shoots to help push/defend
>atomizer
you have to have the bat out to triple jump, big whoop

>>381257059
Dumbass, it means that when the scout fires he is marked for death, it still makes him deal minicrits

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>>381257059
>atomizer nerfed
A shit weapon, now actually useful.
>>381257079
>Complaining about the huge nerf the Danger Shield of all things

>>381257059
>yeah this is definitely an improvement, right? better to have the entire team minicrit instead of just the scout. YOU FUCKING RETARDS.
Nigger, you can hit people you marked with the gun as well.

>>381256857
they would kill the bison
>no longer penetrates
>has ammo count
>hit enemies to collect balls. When 7 balls are collected press rightbutton to increase movement speed by 25% for 3 seconds

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Holy shit the Spy got fucking holocausted by this update.

>>381257142
If they swapped the Dota and TF2 teams I'd be so sad but it would explain so much

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>Rescue Ranger
>Ranged repairs now consume metal (at a 4-to-1 health-to-metal ratio, e.g. repairing 60 damage costs 15 metal)
As an engie main who uses RR as his primary shotgun, I can admit that this was a needed and balanced change

>razorback regens

what the fuck

Thank god BASE jumper is nerfed a little bit, soldier casuals can fuck off.

>don't mention pyro
>make changes to nerf him more

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>Sandman nerfed because <1000 hours scum can't use it
ienvythedead.jpg

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>>381254036
>my favorite weapon is still nerfed
until they give me back my bfb im not playing that shit ever again

>everyone gets fucking nerfed into hell aside from the Soldier
Really makes me think

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>>381257439
>Implying Spies deserve anything but hard nerf hammers to the face
Literally one man armies right now.

>LMAOBOX doesn't work anymore

Sucks, I enjoyed playing on my other steam account to mess with people

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>>381257059
>scouts mains right now

>>381257503
They're holding back the Pyro changes for now because he's the focus of the update which has all of these changes.

>>381257586
>i didnt read the top and dont know that this isnt the full balance notes: the post

>>381257059
>literally the only thing that keeps scout viable at all is winger+atomizer.
hoo boy

Sandman was a meme weapon, how about you guys learn to shoot with your shotgun fast targets?

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>>381257551
>That glorious cancer that was the BFB on release
I can still taste (my) tears.

>no changes to Demoman
What did they mean by this?

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>all these scout and sniper tears

>>381257676
But I read it. For now it's looks like this though

fucking hell some people already think the new vitasaw is op

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>>381255534
>waah players hate being stunned dea its toxic and anti-fun?
it affects ONE player below 50% uptime and is effectively unlandable on anyone watching their surroundings
why would you remove that
my dota player inside me is triggered

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>>381257759
Demoman takes skill.

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>People still play TF2

>>381257806

Things to keep in mind:
This is not the complete list of changes. Some items (and classes) are still being worked on, and are not ready for review.
We're going a little deeper on some classes this time (e.g. Scout) and not as deep on others (e.g. Demoman)
This is a work-in-progress; items may change prior to release.

REAL QUESTION IS

Are you reinstalling?

>>381257759
>We're going a little deeper on some classes this time (e.g. Scout) and not as deep on others (e.g. Demoman)

>>381257878
I never uninstalled.
Also the changes aren't live.

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Cool, 1 out of the 2 yearly updates finally got released. Can't wait for the next one to come out in December.

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The please stop pubstomping shit pubbers update
WHY IS THE AMBY NERFED HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY NERFING RAW AIM
>soldier buffed again
i quit

Do you think they're gonna change the phlog at all? I feel like they might do something about the invincibility during taunting

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>>381257878
Never uninstalled, always kept my hope.
Still playing.

Holy fuck muffins, their commentary is so on-point
If they understand they fucking broken aspects of this game, why does it take literal years to change these things?

The fucking Sandman has been broken longer than some /v/ goers have been alive

>>381258010
>why can't I sit on the other side of the map and snipe bawww

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>Frontier Justice is still safe for now

>>381258010
Aimbotters

>>381257590
Spies are and have always been a retard filter class.

If you ever have significant trouble with a Spy player who doesn't have aimbot-tier accuracy with the Ambassador then you're fucking terrible at the game.

The amby change is a big nerf to amby aimbot

>>381257878

No

>>381254036
Ammo kits and dispensers no longer refill the Spy's cloak meter. This kills the spy.

>>381257878
I reinstalled it a month ago, I couldn't lie to myself, I missed this mess of a game.
Hopefully I won't fail in the cosmetic trap again.

>that massive atomizer nerf
Yeah because soldier isn't already powerful enough

>>381258151
for the dead ringer, you dumbo

>>381258151

Only on the dead ringer

>>381258210
The atomizer had no downsides at all

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>Widowmaker hasn't been touched yet
Thank christ, I was worried they were gonna nerf that shit to the ground. It's such an underrated weapon for offensive engineers.

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>>381257878
I never uninstalled but I'll stay fucking assmad if they keep the Scout changes

>>381258092
Anon my grandchild works for VALVe and told me this,
Frontier only grants crits for regular sentries
Mini sentries grant Mini-"howdies"
which are mini crits
if you have the Gunslinegr equiped,
the Frontier Justice is able to get random crits.
if you have anything else, its not

>>381258210

>massive
>now mini-crits whilst airborne

>>381256681
>valve wants people to play the game seriously instead of sharing sandwiches as heavy
>bad thing

>>381258270
why would it be? widowmaker isn't that great.

>>381257051
this

what the FUCK was the issue with that sandman+guillotine

it was just a fun little variation in how the scout played. now it's FUCKING DEAD

>>381258270
Nerfing the widowmaker equals to make it useless. They can't touch it.

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>>381258105
The point is that a decent spy can destroy any class with ease.
>Amba can easily dispatch classes and any range (Out snipe a sniper)
>Dead Ringer (Who even used anything else) is just a get out of jail free card, since most maps have easy access to ammo it's not hard to refill it, get a stab, get shot, repeat

Half these changes are beyond fucking stupid. Glad I haven't launched TF2 in over a year and a half.

>>381258092
>While crits are active, clip size drops to 2 (or 1)
Would this work?

>>381258303
Wouldn't even be mad about crits being "normal" sentry exclusive.

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The best part of balance changes is reading /v/'s reactions. Having a good LOL reading this thread.

The DDS seems very situational now but it's for the best, fuck that thing

>>381257878
No but this is fun to see at least.

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>Ambassador nerfed
>Sandman nerfed
>Crit-A-Cola nerfed
>Dead Ringer nerfed

>Miniguns buffed
>Eviction Notice buffed
>GRU and Fists of Steel aren't too drastic
It's good day to be giant man

>>381258253
>damage isn't a downside

>>381258308
>using melee weapons
You some kind of retard? It was good because of the triple jump

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>>381257142
who would willingly want to work on the wretched wreck that is tf2 when valves work ethic of a hippie commune is half the appeal of working in the company

>>381258454
>Clip size reduced depending on crits stored
>Reload speed increased depending on crits stored
Probably

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>use default loadouts except for a few melee weapons
>it's a balance patch

>DR nerfed into the fucking ground
>Ambassador nerfed
RIP Spy

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>>381258438
>no please valve not my crutches!

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>Darwin nerf

>Spy gets absolutely obliterated

No reason to ever play this class now.

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>>381258092
>Balanced weapon safe for now

This update is great and the shitters crying about nerfs aren't looking at it objectively.

>Sandman
Literally all it means is that they are just as an easy target as they were before, so you can use your new Pocket Pistol to get health back and damage them, or throw two cleavers at them for an easy kill (Long range reduces cooldown by 1.5 seconds which is pretty much the whole thing)

The only change I'd be against is Bonk getting the downside since pushing past sentries, etc (what it's actually useful for) is already difficult. One balancing feature to that would be to make him immune to knockback a la Quick Fix uber.

>haven't done anything to DH

Thank fuck. I still have another few months at least of obliterating pubs.

I dread the day when DH gets nerfed.

>>381258581
>>damage isn't a downside
Why the fuck would you melee someone when you could do a 100 damage meatshot, the downside practically didn't exist.
Also, either you take 10 damage or you take the full damage of the rocket coming at you.

>>381258567
>Miniguns buffed
???

>>381258436
Using DR also gets rid of normal cloaking and if you're getting backstabbed by a Spy who can't manually cloak and makes a loud noise when uncloaking with DR then you're terrible at the game.

Like I said, retard filter class. Spy is worthless against anyone with a hint of awareness, but most pub players never bother turning around or reacting to load uncloak noises, so they think Spies are overpowered.

>>381254036
>interesting shotgun gets turned into yet another boring basic weapon with slightly tweaked stats

Granted the thing was useless but it's just gonna be boring now.

>spy gets even more nerfs

Just kill him already, he's already dead for god's sake.

>nerfs nerfs and more nerfs for scout, heavy, sniper and solly

Jesus fuck Valve, did fun rape you or something? Because you really seem to hate it.

>medic and engie get kind of okay changes I guess

Jesus fuck who are these changes even for? It's not like the game still has a competitive scene, just let it at least be kind of fun for the remainder of its lifespan. All these changes are going to do is make the items even more confusing and arbitrary than they already are. Seriously, half these weapons require their own set of patch notes and need tutorials just to wrap your head around the mechanics, whatever happened to keeping it simple?

>>381258660
Most deserved nerf in this list. Learn to aim if you want to win sniper battles you shitter.

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>>381258438
This, what the fuck valve

>>381257616
I haven't played the game in a while, but the default loadout hasn't been touched so it's still as strong as before, the FaN is still a fun gimmick, and there's still no reason not to equip the atomizer (but they should have nerfed the liberty launcher or whichever Soldier weapon it is that evened out the triple jump). The Sandman was aids and I'm glad it's gone.

The Bonk changes are questionable since 65% speed reduction just means you'll be picked off right after you go through the chokepoint

>>381257878
Nah. The matchmaking update made it miserable for me to find games whether through matchmaking or the server browser and that hasn't been fixed.

>>381258715
>All Miniguns
>Changes:
>The 1-second damage and accuracy penalty now applies to the first second of spun-up time, whether or not the Heavy is firing. Previously, the 1-second damage penalty would only be removed after 1 second of firing.
>Accuracy and damage penalties now reset when the Heavy spins down, rather than when the Heavy stops firing. This means if you stay spun-up beyond one second, and fire in bursts, damage and accuracy will remain at 100%.

it's not a big one, but it's a nice one

>>381257463
so fucking what
are you expecting a spy to stab you, then fuck off and then try to stab you again after 30 seconds

I'm a bit sad about the guillotine / sandman combo but eh whatever. Fix the Axtinguisher please, just do something with it for fucks sake.

>>381254036
Questions/opinions I have about some of the buffs

>Ambassador change
Does this mean that there's no "cooldown" anymore, and headshots are instead related to the firing speed?

>YER change
Is that an instant disguise for a full cloak meter? I mean disguise is already really fast but I guess it's a fair trade off for silent and harder to notice backstabs.

>Panic Attack Overhaul
This is weird, because it makes it do the same damage as the shotgun if all pellets hit, but with a much faster swap speed and a worse spread.

>Miniguns change
Don't know why it happened in the first place, but at least you don't get penalized for not firing 24/7 anymore.

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>>381254869
my crutch has been broken
How can i even play this game anymore

>>381258791
>The Bonk changes are questionable since 65% speed reduction just means you'll be picked off right after you go through the chokepoint
That's the point, bonk was made for countering sentries not flanking behind the enemy team for free.

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>>381258438
>I have not played this game in one and a half years
>but I'm absolutely competent at judging if patch notes are good or not

>half of /v/ says that something is a nerf, the other says that the same thing is a buff
I guess it's a sign of a balanced game.

>>381255534
Stuns literally never belonged in this game

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They made spy even more useless...

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>>381258892
>for free
bro everyone and their mom is going to be looking at you by the time that shit ends.

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>all those "Least used weapon in the game" lines
>no mention of volcano fragment
Okay

>>381258850
>Does this mean that there's no "cooldown" anymore, and headshots are instead related to the firing speed?

It means that damage spread applies to every shot equally and he can't snipe anymore.

>>381258850
Ambassador gets less damage after the first shot, so if you miss, your headshot damage wont be as much.

NERF EVERYTHING

>>381258705
t. soldier main
It was literally the only weapon that kept scouts from being obliterated by rockets

>People saying Spy is dead
No, srub Spies are dead. All spies that played the class like it should will keep blasting your ass.
I never touched the DR. It's too predictable. My task is to never being seen, not to jump in the mess to fake my death.

>>381259013
oh no everyone knows where you are as the fastest class in the game, how will you ever get away?

>really liked panic attack
>the new one is pointless

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>tfw actually like these changes
I-is there actually hope for /ourgirl/ to get a GOOD update?

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>>381254036
>soldier buff
>spy nerf

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>>381258723
You literal spastic.
>Notice spy with DR
>Shoot and notice it's an obvious DR
>Now the spy is invisible AND has a huge speed boost
>Could go any direction and refill ammo
>If i turn around and notice hes sneaking up on me again (Because a good spy doesn't fucking decloak the DR behind someone) and shoot him he'll just run away at sanic speed again
>If i DO manage to corner him i also have to have the fight of my life what with the Ambassador and trick stabs
You're just a butthead, plain and simple.

>>381259034
There's still more changes that they're working on and haven't posted yet

>>381259034
Volcano Fragment is a pyro weapon, and since the update is about him they're not giving out too many teasers for him

>>381259034
cant change it because of legal reasons, i believe. same reason why there is no strange variants

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>>381256282
>>381256394
Except even stock Spy is progessivly getting more and more useless with every patch. Either he's getting some kind of nerf or some other class is getting a new anti-spy weapon. It's not so much a problem that Amby and DR are getting nerfed, those weapons ar certified cancer, it's that Spy in general has already been nerfed into irrelevancy and he's STILL getting nerfs to this day.

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>>381259085
>t. soldier main
There was never any reason to use the stock bat over the atomizer

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>>381259160
>legal reasons

>>381259116
Why do people keep saying soldier buff, the mantreads only give you more air control
it's fucking nothing unless you're using rocket jumper + Market Gardener

>they fixed your ethernal reward
>scout second pistol is actualy fucking good now

YES
YES
YES

>Darwin’s Danger Shield is shit now
NO
NO
NO
NO

>>381255592
As long as MvM exists, the bison and pomson will never get fixed

>>381258086
>punishing someone for being able to aim

>>381255974
>razorback buff

Are you retarded?

You can't overheal AT ALL

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>>381258684
The fact that the Sandman's only use is now a fucking slowdown makes me mad, since the enemy can still fire their shit at you. The Guillotine change can be decent I guess. I only wonder why the fuck they wanted to add a slow effect on the fucking Bonk of all things.

>>381256282
I have literally never used anything but the stock loadout. Now I have even less of a reason to use the DR.

>>381259298
you can still headshot that hasn't been taken away, you just can't do it so far away you can't be punished for it.

>people laughing about scout mains being assblasted
>tfw I'm a scout main and pretty much nothing changes for me other than I can't cheese as hard with crit a cola and sandman
Scatter + Pistol + Atomizer was always the best, I guess now Scatter + Pistol + Boston Basher is now the best.

>>381259284
>>Darwin’s Danger Shield is shit now
And it's beautiful

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>>381259160
>legal reasons

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>Ambassador
Okay
>Dead Ringer
Good
>Your Eternal Reward
Decent, maybe tone back on cloak drain rate to like 25% or something
>Sandman + Cleaver
Least favorite one from the changes, honestly I'd want it changed back
>Bonk
might be good, idk
>Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol
Good, but maybe add a increased damage taken while active to add a bit more of a risk/reward playstyle
>Crit-A-Cola
Good, seems much more balanced
>Atomizer
MUCH better
>B.A.S.E Jumper
Wasn't very powerful, but an ok change nonetheless
>mantreads
seems overpowered, not really going to be able to tell until it's released
>Darwin’s Danger Shield
seems like one of those "situational" weapons now, but I'm glad for it that shit was OP
>Razorback
Seems like a pointless nerf
>Vita-Saw
Seems just like a shittier Ubersaw
>Crusader's Crossbow
I don't build uber with it ever but it seems like a good change
>All Miniguns
Good change
>Gloves of Running Urgently
Might be good, might be shit
>Eviction Notice
Same as GRU
>Fist of Steel
Seems god
>Rescue Ranger
Very good change

Seems like a decent patch aside from a few weapons.

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>>381254036
>all those sidegrades that are being tossed into the trash

>>381259284
-143hp NEVER EVER

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>these changes
I was expected more but if most of the work is looking like that, it's really positive.

>>381259284
>Having to use a broken unlock to be a competitive sniper

All it ended up doing was making it so that a Sniper using the danger shield forced the other Sniper to use it unless you could charge shot the other one with ease.

FINAL ISSUE FUCKING WHEN?
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HOLY FUCK THEY FINALLY BUFFED THE HEAVY

>>381259261
but anon, I'm using the jumper and market gardener.

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>>381259160
Oh yeah, and the sun on a stick pretty much gets the same treatment and they're both from the same pack. Is Rift even alive? Who will sue them? Why would they care?

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>>381259284
>ever using the DDS

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DR SPIES GOT KEKED

>>381259254
>>381259396
Well if i remember right, the VOlcano fragment and that Flaming Scout stick were promotional items for Rift or some irrelevant game and the Dev didnt want tf2 to have strange variants and any changes too it.

>>381259479
Well then you aren't making a huge impact on the match so it wont matter.
It's nothing

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>eviction notice
ATATATATATATATATATATATATA

>>381259470
Yeah they buffed him slightly to somewhat counteract a nerf, woohoo.

>>381259284
>Not having to run jarate when there's a flare happy pyro
>Still benefiting from the bonus health

how baby tier of a brain do you need to keep playing this garbage in the year of our lord 2017?

>didnt make smg more useful

>demoman doesnt exsist again
>soldier buffed AGAIN

>>381259193
>stock Spy is progessivly getting more and more useless
They gave him a speed boost and made his cloak have damage resistance since Gun Mettle (or was it Tough Break? I don't remember)

>>381259578
Stop talking out of your ass, they made balance changes to those weapons before. They're revealing the pyro changes for the pyro update obviously.

I didn't even know Crossbow built Uber, I just used it for quick or clutch heals.

>>381259628
There's no game to fill its void.

Don't say Overwatch. They're not the same in the way that I want.

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Why is going Demopan the fucking best?

>>381259442


i dont play sniper because every server has fucking 33 snipers on each team, i just paid a fucking arm and a leg to get the piss sniper kit, and its fucking usuless now,

>>381259236
Yeah this. Having a third jump is massive even if it cost a little bit of hp, and the downsides only applied while using the bat to attack other players and why the fuck are you doing that on scout.

>>381259096
At -65% speed you sure as hell aren't.

People who pick scout on dustbowl & goldrush deserve this nerf though.

>>381259698
STOUT SHAKO
for TWO re-fined

>>381259639
not the full patch notes. just wait nigga

>>381259541
Honestly, if this was the nerf on to the old dead ringer, it would have been fair, but now with the new DR and this change, it's becoming a really pointless unlock.

>>381259628
t. shitwatch player

>>381258662
Do you think that will ever stop the new shits that always pick sniper or spy because those are the "cool" classes?

>>381259720
>At -65% speed you sure as hell aren't.
That's the point dumbass, so you CAN'T get away like you could before. Now it's strictly for drawing sentry fire as intended.

>>381259125
>trick stabs
lul, those are only good for garbage pubs and fragvideos. Anyone with a hint of thought doesn't get hit by those.

I don't even play Spy but the Ambassador nerf was pretty excessive

>>381258662
A-at least he's still good for sapping building, r-right ?

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>no bison buff

RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Welp, time to amby bot while I still can...

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>>381259579
>Well then you aren't making a huge impact on the match so it wont matter.

It's your opinion man

>>381259781
they're "cool" because their main gimmicks are about instakills, simple as that. balance changes aren't going to sway new players

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>>381259854
>*destroys the building before you can sap it*
>"BONVOYAGE CROUTON!"
>*rocket jumps away*

>>381259753
DEMO DEMO P-

>>381258684

I just don't feel like a slow is enough reward for a max range ball. I agree with the stun and no way to defend yourself being removed, but now there's no reason for me to get close to someone I stunned for an easy kill (which is what I would do even after the the cleaver was added).

>>381259904
Don't get me wrong, that's fun and I don't mind people doing it, but you aren't doing as much as soldier using stock or some other class.
It really won't be big deal at all

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>snipers now have to rely on skill rather than crutches to remain viable
Most people are just celebrating over the Dead Ringer nerf, but this shit right here has gotten my inner joy up. Maybe now that whole "5 snipers on my team" scenario will finally fucking die.

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>>381259952
B-BUT what about the s-sentries ?

>>381259806
>Now it's strictly for drawing sentry fire as intended.
>as intended
Learn to read dude, it's intended to allow the scout to pierce chokepoints, not to tank sentry fire while your teammates destroy it.

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>people bitching about the ambassador nerf
spy isn't supposed to be long range

>>381259924
No they just sould cool. That is enough for all the ten year olds to pick them. There would be a shitton more soldiers if they would rename him Operator or something

>>381257878
>still F2P
nah

>>381260079
Maybe now I can finally learn to play sniper without feeling guilty for being the 12th one on the team.

>>381255946
Just say you're a cuckold and move on.

>>381260095
>what is a good demoman

Oh no, the amby got nerfed, how will I headshot from long range now? Can any other class fill the void for me?

>>381255795
good luck trying to pull it out in time when you do decide to hit someone in the fucking air

>>381259839
Spy player here, nah, it was needed. I'm supposed ti stab snipers, not headshotting them from my spawn entrance.

GET FUCKED, DARWIN USERS

>>381258662
Where did it get obliterated? DR has a faster regen rate by default, it encourages smarter play and the amby chance just means actually use it for stealthy guaranteed crits rather than a sniper with a free get out of jail watch.

>>381260057
I mean, we don't know the extent of the slow. The way the patch notes are written it could still keep them being able to aim but unable to move, similar to how they're stunned right now.

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>valve will never fix the grenade launcher by giving its rollers a fixed path and predictable pill hitbox

i just want to stop using the iron bomber, the firing sound is so awful

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Daily reminder that Valve is releasing the balance changes before they're actually put into the game. If you have a complaint with them, how about you actually report your complaints and suggestions to the valve team

>damage and accuracy ramp-up is almost dead
Finally I can start playing Heavy again and not feel like I'm pelting enemies with wads of tissue paper.

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>>381260095
>rolls pills and stickies around the sentries and explodes it before you sap it
>"DIDNT YA SEE DA BLOODY BOMBS??"
>*stickie jumps away*

>>381260293
Just turn sound off

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>28.88 fucking ref

>>381260189
How is nerfing an overpowered weapon a bad thing? Not all nerfs are bad.

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>>381260293
>hating the Iron Bomber firing sound

>>381258789
>saving the thumbnail

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>>381260293
>hits the floor behind you

>>381259386
t. b4nny

>>381260293
>hating the iron bomber sound
found the engineer

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>>381260424
>*destroy your bombs*
>*runs out of metal*
N-Nothing personnel p-partner

>>381260636
This shit is so funny when a demo is spawncamping

>>381260070
>but you aren't doing as much as soldier using stock or some other class.

Well, I think eliminating a fully charged medic (or medics) from above can change the game pretty fast.

>>381260406

>500 dps

>wahhh UP

If you use the liberty launcher I want to rip out your heart

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>>381260636
>that guy who soloed a soldier with only a short circuit and actually killed him
seriously this thing fucking hurts

nerfing engi is weird. they seem to be basing it off of the most used weapons but the RR was the only thing that made wrench engi even semi viable in skilled play

amby needed a ranged nerf but RNG isn't the way to go just make it mini crit at certain range

all other changes are great

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>>381260424
Well fuck you got me. No reason to play Spy anymore r-right ?

>>381260636

This weapon makes me remember how brokenly op D.va's defense matrix is.

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If they're going to keep nerfing engi, while heavy, sniper, spy, demo and soldier got buffs against him, could they atleast give us 300 metal (not with gunslinger) / reduce sentry ammo cost / something to compensate?

>>381254036
I haven't played the game in a long time, but these seem pretty reasonable. The problem with most of the weapons is that they're too situational, overpowered or underpowered for that specific situation, and/or just plain boring to use. I'd probably start playing again just to see the changes in action.

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>>381260636
>flare jumps on a sentry
>runs around in circles on top of it while destroying it
>"Hudda hudda hu"
>writes /kill in console

>>381260816
The RR nerf would be fine if hitting your upgraded sentry while its being build actually repaired or sped up the damn thing

>>381258850
For YER, if you want to disguise normally, it costs full cloak
If you do regular YER backstabbing with no disguise it costs nothing

>>381260875
>engie is underpowered!
only retards believe this

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>those DR and Ambassador nerfs
It's as if a million edgy spy mains suddenly cried out in autistic rage, and were suddenly silenced.

>>381260097
spy being close range is garbage if anyone has a semblance of awarness

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>>381260851
you could still run a cloak and dagger set, play the waiting game and become a flat wall.
Or you could use the new YER that you can now disguise with at the cost of a faster cloak drain

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>scout nerfed really bad

>>381260776
>That short time when the short circuit was so OP that hordes of engies would roam every map

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>>381260965
>/kill
>not /explode

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>>381254036
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I literally have zero complaints. They hit a fucking home run.
>useless weapons finally useful
>OP weapons nerfed reasonably

>rescue ranger nerf

>>381261023
If you're not a retard, he is.

>>381260737
All that DPS sure is great when one out of five bullets hit your target while you've got the minigun stuffed up their butt.

>>381261058
b4nny doesn't use any of those weapons though, why would he care

>>381261094
>that time the short circuit used to remove TEAM projectiles

>>381261054

You forgot that disguising while YER is equipped empties your cloak bar

>DDS nerf
This is so relieving for someone who's been autistically playing sniper non-stop and not an ass enough to use DDS

i dont have to read the thread to know spy mains are salty af right now

>>381261023
>engie is overpowered!
only bad players believe this
do you know how fucking easy it is to fuck up a nest with a lone soldier or demo, probably not, you have to shoot from the corner, not in the sights of the sentry you noob.

>>381254036
>Bonk! gets a 5s movement penalty, that ranges from 25% to 65% based on how much damage they took while in Bonk! mode
LITERALLY WHAT THE FUCK
that defeats the entire point of using it

>>381261058
When will this cuck quit TF2 and stop influencing balance patches?

>>381261178

he said he would use bonk 100% of time if it was whitelisted

>>381261135
Honestly the only problem I have with this update. I dont even really use the RR, I always prefer offensive Jag or Gunslinger, but I never thought it was OP. I know it gives the engie a stupid amount of versatility with defensive setups, but I never thought it was broken

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>>381254036
Wait, are these changes only for competitive or the whole fucking game, because they are messing with some core fucking TF2 shit here.

>>381260965
>>381261105
>not having /kill and /explode already on binds
most popular binds before that lenny cancer arrived

>>381261206
wait so if i understand this right
>while YER is equiped, you cloak bar is drained completely, upon disguising
>upon killing somebody you cloak meter fills up
>quick disguise is still available upon backstab

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DR made useless. Ambassador too. Rip frenchy. Oh but hey they figured out new and slightly obscure ways to buff soldier yet again.

>>381261368
Valve very rarely buffs/nerfs shit for specific game modes. Only one I can recall is the Holiday Punch receiving an exclusive nerf for MvM.

>>381261026
>DR nerf
Sure
>amby nerf
was i not supposed to be good at aiming?

>>381261391
>have kill and explode bound to end and delete
I think I'm clever sometimes

>>381261391
I have both bound, most of the time I like using explode when people hi five me.

>>381261368
Whole game. If you're not happy with some of this shit, let Valve know before the update releases.

>>381259414
this
most of the changes are good

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>>381259685
hahahahhaha

that's fucken hillarious mate.

>>381261448

at least soldier has counterplay

amby spy just happens to you and the DR is aggravating as fuck

>>381261417
>>upon killing somebody you cloak meter fills up
No, it doesn't say that

>>381261368
>core tf2 shit

Like?