>there are people who bought a Wii U in 2014 because of the

Well, they got Zelda, at least.

>>381239381
Yeah, a version that runs like dogshit.
>inb4 someone brings up TP as if that's even comparable

they got better framerates

most of them bought a Switch too based on sales

>>381239531
Wrong

>>381239604
What the fuck makes you think that?

>>381239506
it runs better than the switch version you retard

>HURR DURR I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS BETTER TELL EVERYONE MY OPINIONS ONT HE 4CHAN

>>381239109
Zelda was released on Wii U a couple of months ago.

What's the point of your thread OP? Seems like you have an agenda going on.

I bought a Wii U. But I also bought a Switch to play BotW. Does that make you mad?

>>381239109
I bought one at launch and it was kinda rough at first but got way better as time went on. If not for Diablo 3 on PS4, I would have played my Wii U way more than my PS4.

>>381239914
It doesn't run better than the Switch version.
>>381239947
BOTW runs like dogshit on Wii U, so it was basically a huge bait and switch.
Even CEMU runs BOTW better than a Wii U can.
>>381240015
It absolutely did not get better and I say this as someone who had one since 2013

>>381239723
because the Switch is on track to have sold more than the Wii U lifetime sales by mid 2018 :)

The Wii U actually has some fantastic games on it. Plus the upside is you can play the select few amazing Wii games as well. Probably not worth a purchase at that point but later on picking up a Wii U is probably a good idea.

>>381240207
Nope. They can't even produce enough because Apple keeps throttling them, so.they literally can't build them due to a parts shortage. It will not outsell Wii U next year

>>381240168
Shit dude we might not have the same taste then
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>381240168
>Even CEMU runs BOTW better than a Wii U can.

Cemu is literally running a broken, gimped copy of the Wii U version, don't kid yourself.

>>381240312
>The Wii U actually has some fantastic games on it.
If you consider Star Fox Zero and Paper Mario Color Splash good then you have garbage taste

>>381240350
It will have still sold more than 13.5 million by 2018, screencap this post

>>381240442
No it won't. There's a parts shortage so they literally can't even make them. If they can't make them then they can't sell them.
This is old news dude, how do you not know about this?

>>381240561
>this buttmad sonybro acting like Nintendo aren't producing any at all

>>381240435
Wrong, my buddy's PC runs BOTW better than my Wii U does, I've watched him play it

>>381239109
I got a Wii U at launch because my Wii broke like 6 months before launch. And shit, I STILL have Wii games on my backlog to go through.

>>381239506
My only complaint on the Wii U version is the Bloodborne Tier loading times.

>>381240668
They definitely aren't producing enough to sell 13 million. Their initial estimate was 10 million, and that was BEFORE the parts shortage.
Get fucked.

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As soon as I discovered the bait and switch I hacked my wii u and sold all my games.

Tho desu senpai BOTW runs great on wii u 85% of the time. I would care but I didn't pay so why be outraged?

>>381240436
XCX, Splatoon...

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>>381239109
I bought a Wii U early this year

Feeling pretty good

they felt fucked like switch buyers.

>>381240762
How the fuck are you still playing Wii games
>>381240826
XCX was a massive disappointment, the first one is way better.
Splatoon is obsolete because of Splatoon 2

>>381240762
Are you running from disk or is it installed to NAND? Loads pretty quick for me in the latter case

>>381240912
Probably because I also play a lot of PC games. Still have some JRPGs to go through.

>>381240975
running from disk

>>381241071
>JRPGs
>On the Wii
Is this some kind of epic ruse?

>>381240674
Gryo controls don't, glitched out the ass, constantly crashes.

BotW might run like shit on Wii U, but playing on cemu is just awful.

>>381240784
they're selling about 300,000 of them a week, this will increase around the Holiday season, they'll have 10 million by the end of 2017 at the very least

probably around 15 million by mid 2018 (stay mad)

>>381241179
Gyro is mapped to.the mouse which is honestly better, and if you have a good PC the other things don't happen

Pretty damn good I'd say

>>381241208
You're just pulling all these numbers out of your gaping asshole with nothing to back it up. Fuck off

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>>381241141
This, Pandora's Tower and Xenoblade are the main jrpgs. I also have Paper Mario on the virtual console.

>>381241345
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42869/Global/
lol

>>381241349
Paper Mario is a fucking N64 game

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>>381241071
Ah that sucks. Why don't you hack your wii u and install it to NAND? Its such a simple process anon, you've already given Nintendo your fun tickets for the game so you have no moral obligations if you in fact have morals desu.

>>381241417
Software sales aren't consoles sales you fucking tard

>>381241240
>Gyro is mapped to.the mouse which is honestly better

Sounds like the kind of utter nonsense a deluded PCbro would come out with. Just fucking stop.

>>381241750
It is better, dumbfuck.

>>381239109
If they were smart they bought the other ten must play Wii U games. If not they traded it in for a Switch.

>>381241179
Lol it doesn't even run bad on the Wii u barring some rare and quickly passing frame drops. Looks great glad I'm not so cucked into buying a switch I have to wrong my hands and make constant terrible excuses to justify my actions.

>>381239109
Good cause they got the best 8th gen home console?

>>381242028
>Ten
Only way you can get number that high is if you count trash games like Star Fox and Color Splash
Or remasters like TPHD and WWHD

To me this game alone wasn't worth buying the Switch at launch. I have heard that both versions have their sets of performance problems in different areas of the game. While the Switch does run the game better, I heard that the ports problems, such as framerate issues and other glitches, are noticeable in docked mode rather than in portable mode. I honestly think the game needed a bit more performance tweaking on both versions, but I think they both run alright and enough to where it isn't game breaking at least. Except instances in the U version where hitting one of the enemies causes the FPS to drop to fucking 1 for a couple of seconds at times.

>>381240436
I doubt you played them so...

>>381242112
PS4 is way better than Wii U
>>381242149
I played both, find a new excuse

>>381242227
>PS4 is way better than Wii U
In what? Raw hardware is useless without good games.

>>381242443
PS4 has better games

>>381239109
>Can pirate stuff on Wii U.
>Can't pirate stuff on switch.
This is how I justify it.
>Inb4 butthurt Buyfags

>>381242492
No, it doesn't.

>>381242660
It does, unlike you I own both so I can compare

Satisfied. It was an incredible game, but Wii U was still trash
Xenoblade was neat too

>>381239109
>buying a console for a game that is not out

why not wait and buy the console and game on the same day? what kind of a fucking moron does what you have described?

>>381242745
If you owned both you'd know that's not the case.

>>381239109
But I got to play it a 4 days earlier earlier for free and beat it before there were spoilers by marathoning 70 hours
Yeah, I feel I won.

>>381242852
I do have both and prefer the PS4, but I never had a PS3 so maybe that's got something to do with it

>>381240912
>claim system has no good games
>a sequel to a good game on the next system means that the previous game is now retroactively bad
Consider dashing your skull open with a brick
Hope you don't enjoy, nor ever did enjoy, any game that now has a sequel.

>>381243209
It's obsolete because it's primarily a multiplayer game, why would anyone want to start playing it now?

>>381243413
Not him but
>Free Online

>>381242946
trust me, you are not a winner by any stretch of the word.

>>381243456
>dead online

>>381243637
>Get online
>Play 3 matches
Yeah, the online isn't dead by any stretch of the imagination.

>>381243610
>assmad buyfag

>>381239109
Better than the people who bought a switch for the same game

>>381240168
>It doesn't run better than the Switch version

But it does you retard. It has already been proved on video.

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>>381239109
Who the fuck buys a console on the announcement trailer and not near to the definite date of release? If that's all you care about

>>381243952
Half of the people that bought a PS4.

>>381240435
I'm running BotW in CEMU with an i5 and a GTX770 and it's quite playable (even fun) with Cemuhook.
I imagine someone with a PC better than mine (which isn't a high bar) is really enjoying emulating it at this point.

kind of unrelated, but does anyone know if there's an uncensor patch for Fatal Frame like there is for TMS #FE?

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I got 2 (TWO) games out of the wiiu. xenoblade and zelda.

Probably about the same as people who bought a PS3 for Last Guardian or Kingdom Hearts III.

>>381244641
People did that?

>>381239109
I was one of them. I sold the Wii U, got a Switch and BotW, and ended up very happy.

>>381244484
Why didn't you get more?
Bayonetta? W101? Splatoon? Etc.

>>381244013
What game were the people that bought PS4 waiting for?

Splatoon is one of the games I regret not having had the Wii U for, is the second game enough of a deviation to turn off some players to sticking to the first game besides the paid online?

>>381239109
I got what I wanted.
No reason to get Switch anytime soon.

>>381245130
Kingdom Hearts 3.

>>381245213
Guess it depends if you like the ranked modes in the first one more.

>>381239109
What kind of absolute retard even buys a console just for one game when the game isn't even out yet.
If you really have to buy it one week before so you're sure the game is going to be out.

>>381239109
I'm glad nintendo consoles are always super easy to hack. I felt cheated by the Wii U, but then I hacked it and got free Zelda and more, and that made me feel better.

I'm in no rush to buy a Switch. I can wait until it's hackable, or there is a price drop.

>>381239109
I bought a Wii U on launch because I always buy Nintendo systems on launch because I
>have a job so video games are cheap
>Nintendo conoles eventually have enough games to make their purchase worthwhile (some more than others, but I've never been "burned" by buying a Nintendo system)
>Nintendo usually only does one physical printing of their games and I like displaying my games on my bookshelves so not getting a game when it comes out makes it harder and potentially more expensive to get it later

>pirated Zelda when it leaked
>forgot to cancel my pre-order
I'm not a smart man

>>381245593
Supporting the industry by paying for a good game is the smart thing to do.

>>381245870
I don't want to support Nintendo if they won't support the Wii U

>>381246026
They released the goddamned game of all time as its last game, for crying out loud. What the fuck more do you want?

>>381246245
A version of BOTW that is actually optimized and doesn't run like compete dogshit

>>381245285
>he believes half of ps4 owners are waiting for autismhearts 3

>>381246334
the wii u version is the true version

the switch is the half assed port they did at end of development

however due to switches power it runs better

>>381246545
>the wii u version is the true version
>however due to switches power it runs better
Then it's not the true version faggot

>>381243823
But the Switch has higher resolution and a more stable framerate. How the fuck
does the Wii U version run better

>>381243823
lmao don't talk such utter, UTTER shite.

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>>381246746
Just how the Twilight Princess Wii Version must be the true version just because it has widescreen support right?

>>381246832
TP on GameCube doesn't have performance issues or frame drops.
BOTW on Wii U does have performance issues and frame drops.
It's not really a comparable situation

>>381246545
>the wii u version is the true version
>the switch is the half assed port they did at end of development

This completely untrue.

About half way through development they knew it woulf be released on Switch. It's debatable that Nintendo geared the game towards the Switch's performance at the expense of a dead console.

Does Zelda do anything other than the typical Ubisoft thing? I've been so disappointed so far.

>climb tower
>5 minutes travel
>clear outposts
>5 minutes travel
>repeat

I can't believe this is what it boiled down to. I could have bought ARMS instead. 5 hours in and I'm already struggling through.

>>381247328
Sounds like you need a new hobby.

Pretty peeved, desu
>removed all the touchscreen functionality
>puzzles that still require gyro so you still have to use the gamepad

>>381247470
No, I need to not be buying this shit. It's literally the exact same thing I did as last time I played a Far Cry and Assassin's Creed and there's a reason I'm not getting FC5 and AC(whatever). It ins't even debatable that it's the exact formula. Every once in a while there has been the Zelda charm but it's between 15 minute stretches of absolutely fucking boring.

I've never had buyer's remorse for a Nintendo game before.

>>381247328
>5 hours in and I'm already struggling through.

We have a missing child here. Anyone care to collect?

>>381246746
nigga the switch is the port

>>381247642
Perhaps those types of games just arn't for you. Take it back to the store and get something else and stop whining.

>>381247328
>Instead of one of the greatest games of all time, I could have bought Wii boxing DX

>>381247663
I'm 26. That's why I don't spend my time doing stuff I don't like. And no matter your age you shouldn't be doing that either. There's absolutely NO reason to spend 15 hours doing something that isn't enjoyable or beneficial (ie. working).

>>381247736
It's not a port, it's a dual release. All Wii U functionality was dropped mid-development and the end product - if anything - was completed with the Switch having the priortised version.

>>381239109
I bought my Wii U early last year and haven't regretted it for a single second.

>>381248030
interviews have said otherwise
switch version was only in development the final 8 months

>>381248657
Source?

>>381240436
Oh it's the same anon back from yesterday who couldn't handle getting btfo of every shitposting thread he made

You really do it for free

>>381249362
How is he wrong?
Are you actually saying those are good games?

>>381243136
Post your vidya collection

>>381239506
It runs decently, never had serious problems. What's this meme about running better than on Switch though?

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>>381249659
I don't have access to my PS4 games because I'm in the process of moving, and my PS4 + games are at my new apartment

>>381245285
I have a friend who bought both the PS3 and PS4 for KH3.

>>381250293
It probably will be on PS4 though

>>381249878
It's true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyMsF31NdNc

At 53:41

>>381250416
>2020

>>381250064
Seems fishy, and where's the timestamp?

>>381239381
Not really. The "Zelda" aspects are the lowest for the franchise, and everything else is just... everything else. Tech demo bullshit essentially.

>>381248762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nroWGXty5cw

>>381239109
I'm one of those people, and I didn't regret my purchase as much as I thought. I was still able to play a ton of good games for Wii U and had enough money to buy a Switch for Zelda anyway.

>>381251008
Actually they're highest of the franchise since they finally took the series back to its roots rather than rehashing OoT.

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>>381250879
Happy now?

>>381250501
???

He says what that it runs better on Switch, which we already know from comparisons.

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>Smash 4
>Mario Maker
>3D World
>Mario and Luigi U
>Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe is botched on Switch)
>Captain Toad
>Wooly World
>Dong Freeze
>Kirby: Rainbow Curse
>Breath of the Wild
>Hyrule Warriors
>WW and TP HD
>Splatoon
>Pikmin 3
>Starfox Guard (Can be purchased separate)
>Pokken
>Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
>Nintendoland
>Fatal Frame
>Bayonetta 1 and 2
>Wonderful 101
>Monster Hunter 3U
>Lego City Undercover
>Tekken Tag Tournament WiiU Edition
>Rodea (Wii game packaged as a WiiU game)
>Pushmo World
>Runbow
>Fast Racing Neo
>Affordable Space Adventures
>Good selection of 3rd party Indies (Some with exclusive content and controls to the WiiU version like Trine 2, Shovel Knight, and Severed)
>Also picked up a few wii games I missed (Bit.Trip collection, Tatusnoko vs Capcom, etc) because of true backwards compatibility
>vWii allows for Gamecube games to be played. Something the Switch will NEVER be able to handle
>Pro controller is top tier
>WiiU Gamepad surprisingly comfortable and great for games in bed
>Gamecube adapter is the best peripheral of all time, doubles as an easy ticket to playing Dolphin with the correct controllers solo or multiplayer
>Entire Zelda library available besides ALBW and the CDI games
>The only console currently capable of good DS emulation because of the touch screen
>Easy as fuck to hack, just have to connect to the internet
>Best options options to expand memory on a Nintendo console (3rd party external powered hard drive vs SD card on Switch and 3DS) I added two terabytes of storage to my WiiU, most I can add to a switch is a few hundred gigs, maybe less if Nintendo's SD card support is as bad as it was on the 3DS

The WiiU was an amazing console by the end and you can pirate most of it and more
>There are people who think the WiiU was shit
[Continued laughter]

>>381245569
>have a job so video games are cheap

Not when you're living by yourself and paying your own bills.

>>381240436
Mario Maker and Wonderful 101

>>381240168
CEMU will eventually beat the WiiU and Switch versions easily but I can run Witcher 3 at max settings 60 fps but not open world segments of BOTW at 30

>>381251290
I still want to know what games you have on PS4

>>381251298
Oh shit, I misread it. I missed the "than".

>>381251618
B-Bloodborne
and um
Persona 5?

>>381251618
Gravity Rush 1 and 2
Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5
Kingdom Hearts 2.8
TLOU Remastered
MGSV
Witch and the Hundred Knight
Odin Sphere
Persona 5
FFXV (didn't really like this one)
Bloodborne
Nioh
RE7
RE Revelations 2
DB Xenoverse 1 and 2

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>>381239109
BOTW will never ever look as good as the first trailer. Perhaps we could get those graphics on a Ninty console 20 years later.

>>381251984
A worrying amount of those are also on PC

>>381252049
Which ones?

Wii U can play Wii games so it's not a bad investment.

>>381252005
>top: heavily photoshopped from hameawards 2014 cinematic trailer
>bottom: low-res stream capture from the early e3 beta on wii u

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>>381239109
>they got the game they wanted
>Breath of the Wild disrupts the industry with how great of a game it is

I don't know, good?

>>381252080
MGSV
RE7
RE Revelations 2
FFXV
DB Xenoverse 1+2

>>381252556
FFXV isn't on PC
and MGSV performs fine on PS4

>>381252630
Not yet (had to check, not a series i'm into), but a port is in the works.
I don't care if it "runs fine" on your PS4, if it isn't an exclusive then its hardly relevant to the discussion.

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>The WiiU doesn't have games.
Not pictured downloaded titles:
>Super Mario 3D World
>New Super Mario Bros U
>Wind Waker HD (I have the Wind Waker WiiU)
>Monster Hunter 3U
>Sonic Lost World
>Ducktales Remastered
>Fast Racing Neo
>Afforadable Space Adventures
>Shovel Knight
>Pushmo World
>Runbow
>Mighty Switch Force 1+2
>Bit.Trip Runner 2
>Whoa Dave
>Trine 2
>Shantae
>Dungeons of Mystara
>Freedom Planet
>Guacamelee
>Mario Kart 64
>Metroid Prime Trilogy
>Kirby Wii
>Like 30 pirated n64 games
>Mario Tennis WiiU pirated
>Nes Remix pack pirated
>Puyo Puyo Tetris pirated
>Getting 4 more games, Twilight princess HD, Hyrule warriors, Kirby Rainbow Curse, and Lego City Undercover

>The WiiU doesn't have games

>>381252917
>a port is in the works.
Its not confirmed, they just said they might do it at some point.
>>381252917
>if it isn't an exclusive then its hardly relevant to the discussion.
Don't even give me that shit.
Wii U owners list TPHD and WWHD on Wii U lists. They list Woolly World and Hyrule Warriors too, even though they got 3DS ports.
Switch owners list MK8D, Pokken and BOTW even though they aren't exclusive.
Stop being a hypocrite.

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>>381239109
I bought one for more reasons but yeah, Zelda was one of them.
In fact, I did play it on my Wii U, no regrets.

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>>381251281
This game has very little to do with Zelda's "roots" other than that it's completely open-ended... for whatever reason, as opposed to kind of open-ended.
The gameplay is drastically different from 1986/ALttP in that instead of wandering from area to area and constantly being bombarded with bullet-hell gameplay, you're just sort of wandering in dead nothingness, and if you happen to accidentally wander too close to an enemy it's OK because the game will autosave for you. Zelda's roots were deeply embedded in overcoming obstacles, which pretty much boiled down to slapping ass with enemies. BotW puts very little emphasis on combat, in fact it's almost entirely optional.
BotW also has more emphasis on Story, while ironically attempting to shake TP/SS's stigma of having too much, and yet the writing and storytelling are a complete afterthought, which is almost a direct quote from Aonuma. BotW has a story (an unoriginal, "rehashed", one at that), and yet it's so fucking awful the game would actually be better without any of the "characters" or memories or anything. You know, like 1986. The series' """roots""".

The only thing BotW and 1986, the oft quoted inspiration, have in common is that they both have really fuckin' shitty dungeons, but even the latter has better buildups to the dungeons.

>>381253137
If you want your image to be more convincing you should probably take out Star Fox Zero (copies sold)

>>381253385
Zero was ok though.

>>381253585
No it wasn't dude, it was pure shit

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>>381253385
Thats one game in a list of all the games I have.

>>381253283
>Its not confirmed
From what I searched it seemed like it is
>>381253283
>Stop being a hypocrite.
You're the one being hypocritical here for thinking that because some certain wii u owners pull that shit that it's okay for you to do it but not for them to do it.

>>381253771
>because some certain wii u owners pull that shit that it's okay for you to do it but not for them to do it.
If its okay for them to do it why can't I?

>>381246809
Loads faster
>More stable frame rate
Fucking wrong.

Wii U version performs better dipshit. Play the game first before spewing nonsense

>>381246809
There's a reason the Wii U version is the one used for speedruns.

>>381253963
Literally of the post-patch comparisons show the Switch having a more stable frame rate. Cry more.

Wii-U got 3 zelda games, more if you count Virtual Console. what's the problem here?

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>>381252005
How about posting an ACTUAL screenshot you desperate faggot.

>>381253363
I disagree, in my experience BotW generally had enemies and problem-solving akin to the original LoZ throughout. There were definitely a couple areas in BotW that were quiet, but they were few and far between. I particularly liked the way shrine quests handled puzzles/problem-solving - it felt very classic Zelda to me when I, for example, chopped down a tree to ride a strong current down an icy river to reach a shrine. It's true that combat us technically optional in BotW, but this is also largely true in the original LoZ as well, so I don't really see your point there; I do ,however, agree that the autosaving is annoying, though.

Also the story is entirely optional, so I find it odd that you list it as a negative here.

>>381254119
It got the worst version of BOTW, and the worst versions of MM and OOT.
Any system can emulate the fucking NES, SNES, GB, and GBA games.
No one even likes the DS Zeldas
But hey, I guess it has the best version of Wind Waker, the worst Zelda game ever made

I was thinking to get the game now since I have time to play it now. But if there will be somebundle or collector's edition with the DLC I might wait for a bit longer. What do you think?

>>381253865
No, I'm saying it's not okay when either does it, and it's pathetic that you acted like because they did it that it's okay for you to do it

>>381254454
If you have a Wii U just pirate and pirate the DLC too.
Nintendo doesn't support the Wii U anymore, you shouldn't support it either.

>>381254648
What if I wanted to buy it for collector's purpose? I am just asking if it's likely that I will miss out a superior version of it or if it will be like MK8 where you had to download the DLC anyway.

>>381254804
Nah, they won't do something like that, and if they do it'll be a Switch-only release.
I'd recommend buying the disc and pirating the DLC, that's what I did with Pikmin 3.

>>381255010
Ok thanks! I am using loadiine hack where I have to go to the browser everytime I want to load a game from the SD. This is still the best method to homebrew right?

>>381255137
Nah man, loadiine is an outdated method. We can install pirated games straight to the home menu now and run them off of USB HDD or the system memory.
Go to /hbg/, they have a pastebin on it. You can use Wii U USB helper to download full games, then you copy them to an SD card and use a homebrew tool to install them to your system.
If you already have the disc just install the pirated DLC to your system memory and it'll show up in the game.

>>381254293
>but this is also largely true in the original LoZ as well
Not really. Most of the dungeons pretty much involved going from room to room and forcing you to fight for your life. Not very good design in my own opinion, but it was more than nothing (a couple of mini-guardians and a weak boss) I guess. The overworld yes, you could pretty much run away from everything, but it was noticeably more difficult. Everything in BotW is so slow they can't even keep up with Link's brisk walk.

In terms of the story you're right, it is completely optional. That isn't inherently a good thing. I mean shit, I know LoZ is a game, but it is called The LEGEND of Zelda. I mean how can Link be a hero when Zelda is boring ditz and Ganon is practically nonexistent? Regardless there is more going on (or not going on, rather) than the story, there is the worldbuilding, which should obviously play a huge role in a game almost exclusively about the world and the exploration of it. I wasn't impressed with Hyrule, to say the least. Nothing about it really made me stop for a beat, it was pretty much just a generic backlot set for a cheap fantasy television show they might ironically put on the History channel. Where are the grand structures to climb and delve into? Where is the development and architecture? Why is Hyrule so desolate it looks like the most underdeveloped kingdom in the theoretical extended universe of LoZ? Why are the Sheikah used as a plot device for boring radio towers and Half Life 2 puzzles, instead of expansive Shrines to learn about their technology and history, while maybe having some actual puzzles?

The inherent problem with going back to the series' roots is that the series' roots were great when they came out. Games get better. Games got better. Now Fujibayashi and Aonuma, two guys whose original works I do enjoy, are just flagellating the series trying to keep it alive. I'm perfectly OK with their focus on pure, unfiltered gameplay...

>cont.

>>381240168
Runs fine on both platforms after the patches

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>>381254293
...it's just not the best gameplay I've experienced. The combat isn't particularly great. The puzzles are unoriginal, repetitive, and far too abundant (issues the aforementioned HL2 suffered from), they barely make you stop and think. Nothing you can do in the game feels like an achievement, whether it's basic stuff like solving a korok puzzle, helping an NPC, or furnishing your house... or commandeering an ancient technological wonder, curing a diseased dragon spirit, or slaying a primordial evil. It all melds and just feels the same, like some basic MMO shit that you skip because all you want is the reward. Except there really isn't any reward in BotW.

If they were going to sell every single aspect of game design standards as they are today in the name of the Chemistry Engine and Gameplay, surely it could've been better than this? I didn't even have any expectations other than my experience playing the last 4 mainline iterations (which weren't particularly great by any means), and the best part of all of that garbage pre-release marketing campaign was really just the Calamity Ganon reveal. Looked like a menacing, original take on Ganon. Little did I know how truly awful Ganon would end up being.

>>381256416
guy, you don't like Zelda, and when you played the original you were younger so the game seemed more original. The problem is you, not the game. But your anecdote helped me understand that, thank you annon.

For real though- why the fuck does BotW only have one save slot when EVERY Zelda game before has had 3? It's like they don't want me to let my friends play it.

>>381255567
>>381256416
>started writing a long reply but my phone crashed
Basically, I agree with >>381257071. I don't think you like Zelda games at their core very much, although I understand that Zelda games differ drastically throughout instalments (some focus more in linearity and plot, others focus on exploration and light problem-solving) - the series started as the latter, though, and gradually became the latter as it evolved. Personally, I far prefer the former style, but there's definitely room for improvement in BotW nonetheless (mpre dungeons like Hyrule Caatle would be great as an example).

>>381257416
I have no idea what you're talking about. I have multiple saves on mine

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>>381257071
Did you miss the parts where I said 1986 had piss poor dungeon design and implied it's not worth replaying?

...and all of the issues I outlined about BotW specifically?

>>381257785
>game that literally has a second quest to playthrough
>not worth replaying
You just have shit taste tbqh

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>>381257724
You can have multiple autosave files, but only a singular game file. If you try to start a new game it'll ask you if you want to erase your save data.

>>381258028
If all you want is for your friends to be able to play it, all you have to do is create another account on the device for them, and then open the game with it. One of my friends has already played through the game on my system

>>381258175
oh, I see. Thanks I'll keep that in mind.

>>381257626
I like Fantasy Action-Adventure games. What else is Zelda supposed to be, exactly? All I really want is some solid, preferably original fantasy (with room for recurring motifs/lore, of course. I mean it is a connected universe, apparently), great action combat, and an adventure, with some worthwhile puzzles on the side.

BotW's fantasy is entirely recycled and unfortunately underutilized, its action straight out of a Korean MMO, and the adventure is optional and comes off as it.

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>>381257785
>Did you miss the parts where I said 1986 had piss poor dungeon design and implied it's not worth replaying?
Fuck you, LoZ is word revisiting far more than ALttP, especially the Second Quest.
The Open-ended nature of the game allowed for TRUE exploration, the kind of freedom as a child in the 80s would dream of. Those pixelated bushes looked like real trees, those rivers looked massive, the adventure seemed endless.

And I'm personally glad they returned to that type of open-ended terrain with Breath of the Wild. Even though the dungeons would've been better.

And thats another thing, I preffer Zelda 1's endless gauntlets of survival than the puzzle-heavy stuff from post NES Zelda.

>>381258441
Zelda is supposed to be exploration/dungeon crawler (but more emphasis on overworld exporation). Even OoT-era games reflect this, despite their tonal shift from the 2D games.

>>381239109
About as bad as current Switch owners, who just have a longer time to get fucked.

>>381258553
>I preffer Zelda 1's endless gauntlets of survival than the puzzle-heavy stuff from post NES Zelda.
Me too, to a degree. The thing is is that I'd prefer endless gauntlets of survival with some puzzles thrown in there as palette cleansers, preferably with good combat and good puzzle design.
That's really my biggest gripe, which comes down to development basics. The combat sucks dick and so do the puzzles. What the fuck are they doing at EAD/EPD that they seriously cannot improve this stuff? Are they just incompetent?
Give me whatever you want Zelda to be, I really don't give a shit. Just make it GOOD.
Same thing here
>>381258595
Exploration and dungeon crawlers, holy shit are those my jam. Make it happen.
just fucking make it good
Although it's worth noting that Exploration and dungeon crawling didn't save Skyrim from its shit writing and combat. So what exactly is LoZ's excuse? Brand recognition? Ironically Whiterun looks like the seat of the Empire compared to BotW's villages, or Goron "City".

>inb4 is that you todd

>>381259224
BotW's combat is nowhere close to how shit TES combat is. There's definitely issues with BotW's combat but it's still among the best combat out there for any open world game by a wide margin. Your hyperbole here is ridiculous.

>>381259489
>BotW's combat is nowhere close to how shit TES combat is
I agree, although I did enjoy Skyrim's archery more than BotW's. Neither of them inspired much in me though.

>it's still among the best combat out there for any open world game
So don't make your game pointlessly open world, and instead make the combat really fuckin' good? That sounds like a good compromise. Except they've been doing that since... 1998, and it hasn't really improved. It's changed slightly, you get new things every once in awhile, notably in BotW you get garbage like Flurry Rush and Bullet Time, but the core mechanics are the most accessible dogshit. The enemies being stupid and pointless doesn't really help. The combat'd be theoretically fine if the enemies were worth fighting for any reason. Again, EAD/EPD are incompetent at action gameplay, or they just don't feel the need to even attempt to improve it because people evidently have no standards.
I think not being fun, entertaining, satisfying, or even a selling point is a pretty big issue.

>>381260130
>I did enjoy Skyrim's archery more than BotW's.
Why?
>>>381260130
>garbage like Flurry Rush and Bullet Time
>and
Flurry Rush IS Bullet Time, anon...it's also not as useful as it sounds, at least not to the point where it's a crux
>The enemies being stupid and pointless doesn't really help
Did we play the same fucking game?
Good AI is one of the strongpoints of BotW's combat.

Honestly, I'm not seeing your viewpoint here at all - not in the sense that I disagree, I just genuinely don't see where you're coming from. BotW has more combat options and an overall better combat system than every past Zelda game for christ sake.

>>381260870
>Why?
I think the perspective being first-person was the biggest thing. The animation was fluid and it was pretty effective to the point of being blatantly overpowered. Dark Brotherhood Radiants as a Stealth Archer, The Scenery, and the Music. That's pretty much all Skyrim was good for.

>Flurry Rush IS Bullet Time, anon...
No there is actual bow/arrow bullet time. You jump and aim. It's not an awful mechanic, it just seemed pointless for this game.
The issue with both is that you can't disable them. Flurry rush, like you mentioned, isn't like some endall, but it breaks the flow of combat. So whether you want to use it or not, get ready for a slow down and prompt. They're not even fun mechanics, and that's the biggest problem. Parrying can be fun, especially when you're first getting the timing down. Successfully parrying a Guardian as you run through a field is pretty cool and satisfying. Flurry Rushing a Lynel or a Major Strength Guardian is boring and unfun, and is practically a cutscene for getting a "perfect dodge", which is something that is practically impossible to not get. Basic shit like this just reeks of playtesters and developers who do not give a fuck about their actual combat gameplay.

>Good AI is one of the strongpoints of BotW's combat
It's not that the AI is stupid (entirely), certainly not like MGSV. It's that they're not playing with a full deck of cards. They're slow and unwieldy, unthreatening both in design and action. Their roaming areas are so small it definitely felt like I was playing FFXIV or something, and their reaction to you (Link) leaving their designated region just makes me crack up. You can be within an arms length of them and they just turn around and forget about you completely. They even start regenerating health like in an MMO, and if you have a group of 3+ enemies baited to the edge of their zone some of them will actually teleport/reset to their original point...

>>381239723
Uhh drrrr based on how successful the hardware is selling you retard

>>381261906
the AI isn't necessarily stupid, it's just kind of simple
and with such little enemy variety in the game it just gets boring after a while, until the only reason to even engage enemies is to grind for materials, which is not fun nor necessary at all

>>381261906
>>381260870
...I remember when I purposefully ran into a pack of horse-riding bokoblins (god forbid anything come after me in the "wild", I have to initiate everything) and it was really fun because it was super frantic, much like 1986. So I'm running, backpedaling, strafing, all while slapping the goblins off their horses and getting some hits in while weaving. Then after like a 20 seconds of that I guess we ventured to far, because they seriously started disappearing on camera and resetting on their horses with full health, back on their original trailer in the valley (at this point we'd gone up a slight incline). It was so stupid and it was at that point I just stopped fighting enemies all together, which segways into my next point...

There is no point to fighting enemies. They never approach you, nobody is hunting you except banana boys, nothing is really blockaded by enemies. Not fighting enemies is equally (if not more) rewarding in terms of weaponry. You find good shit lying all over the place, and elemental arrows wreck the Blights. Why waste them on ANOTHER boring and poorly designed bokoblin camp with archers who have a vision of approximately 10 ft and the attention span of a cat on cocaine just for a gem you don't need or a shitty weapon, when you can just not fight anything, finish exploring grasslands that are inappropriately titled "wild", get your bad story, get out, and play a game with better combat, better level design, better enemy variety, and a more satisfying and overall rewarding experience? That's what I ended up doing anyway.

>>381262640
what is this mythical game with better combat, better level design, better enemy variety, and a more satisfying and overall rewarding experience?
asking for a friend

>>381261906
>I think the perspective being first-person was the biggest thing.
There are first-person bows in BotW, it's a trait certain kinds of bows have (such as golden bows or phrenic bows).
>>381261906
>No there is actual bow/arrow bullet time
Oh yeah, I'm too used to people referring to flurry rush as "bullet-time", sorry. I think you can disable flurry rush in the abilities menu, right? Although I can't say I tested this. I find them fun in the sense that they make a fight feel more dramatic, but sometimes it's overdone if you're consistenly flurry-rushing (at least it speeds up the fight, though, since you basically get to combo attacks quickly during a flurry attack). I don't really see the downside to the "bullet-time" bow thing, though; as the alternatice is that firing a bow whilst you're falling would be impossible, and they even use it for some puzzles.

I'm not really seeing what you're on about with the AI here, doesn't reflect my experience with the game at all. Fairly sure enemies never regenerate health,and rarely have I ever seen them despawn or reset to their spawn location (usually they start heading back instead, I think they only despawn when stuck or too far)

>>381262524
To be honest you can say that about most games, it's an oversimplification of things though if you ask me. For example, you may fight to get a skull chest, or to steal their weapon, or for monster parts to make an elixir, or because they're an obstacle in your way.

>>381262902
For me? Games like Dragon's Dogma and Bloodborne, most recently. Even games like Far Cry 3/4 tend to have better design in their Outposts, and if those games do anything decent it's the gunplay and variety of approach.

>>381263225
>dragon's dogma
>farcry 3/4
Sounds like you just have shit taste

>>381241802
>never getting to experience that moment when you try turning the gamepad upside down
Shaking my damn head.

>>381262163
what makes you think its the same audience?

>update
>Moblins still make the framerate shit itself

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>>381263451
Have a great day, man.