Press F to spit on their grave.

>>381235395
F

>>381235395

Press F to Fuck you

the hog was based

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after this patch can safely say I'm never playing this game again. Blizzard doesnt know how to handle anything and the community is made up of 9 year olds

Pharah nerf when?

>>381235708
t. Hogmain

>>381235795
Hopefully never you worthless shitstain. She doesn't need one just like Hog didn't need one.

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F
Fuck that fat faggot one shotting almost everyone in the game. Fuck Blizzard for taking over a year to nerf this fat faggot. Now we wait for the dumbfucks at Blizzard to fix the power creep with Pharmacy and God76. Hanzo still one shots tanks.

So now that hog is nerfed the reason to play any comp but dive is.....

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>>381235739
>>381235708
>Hogniggers can't handle needing to scratch someone before hooking

>>381235395
F

ARMS is fun.

When the fuck is the game getting updated?

I want to see how bad the new Hog is.

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>>381236523
>maps are shit
>args are shit
>playerbase is cancerous
>events are shit
>blizzard doesnt know how to balance for shit
its more than just hog mate. the whole things getting to be more than I can handle

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RESTART YOUR BATTLE.NET CLIENT
Literally nobody calls it the Blizzard App

>>381236607
nm. it's updated.

The new map gave me cancer.

>>381236294
>5/6 tanks can set up some sort of shield to avoid getting one shotted
>too dumb to do it

>>381236674

you'll never stop playing

>>381236674
Deflect needs to be changed
Defense Matrix needs to be changed
Tracer needs an actual hard counter since Flashbang is garbage
Lucio needs to be nerfed again

OW is just not fucking fun to play.

>>381235395
Don't know much about the game, just started playing recently. Liked playing roadhog a lot not because you could easily kill most characters, but because the hook let you deal with otherwise very annoying characters, like Tracer, Sombra, Genji or Lúcio.

I guess I should just learn to deal with them with any character, though. What's the best way to generally deal with fast/blinking heroes?

>>381237045
thats a shame because I already uninstalled it

>>381237050
>Tracer needs an actual hard counter since Flashbang is garbage

Flashbang in general is a shitty and unreliable ability that needs to be reworked.

>>381237173

see you next week

It takes Blizz too fucking long to get around to doing anything about what is actually causing bad fucking games.

Hog was a problem fucking ages ago but now its Mercy enabling Pharah to the degree that people want her to be nerfed rather than fucking Mercy. Its Mercy in every single last game at every level of play making games slower, making flankers jobs more boring and generally dragging out and slowing down an already stalling and slow game.

It'll take another 6 months of complete shit before something turns up on the PTR. More than likely we'll get a Pharah nerf and a Tracer nerf in the meantime.

>>381236674
So why are you here?
Oh yeah, I forgot, overwatch threads on /v/ are the worst thing ever.

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>>381235395

>>381237128
>What's the best way to generally deal with fast/blinking heroes?

Team work, or get very good at McCree. Hog was the best anti-flanker in the game, he's still decent but you'll have do some damage prior to hooking now. Flankers like Genji and Tracer are so fast and agile while shitting out damage Hog was the only character capable of dealing with them without getting burst down in less than a second. This Hog nerf is justified, and the Reaper buff is justified. But flankers and D.Va are going to be more of a pain in the ass now.

>>381237128
Shoot at them. Shoot at them with your team. Don't get dragged into having duels that are not in your favour.

>>381235395
FFFFF
Hogmains on suicide watch. Sorry you faggots are gonna have to actually earn your kills now. Or you can pick up a character that actually requires skill. Can't wait to get home and shit on some more hogs.

>>381237239
nigga I have plenty of other things to play
I've got touhou, ARMS, skullgirls, left4dead, cave story, disgaea
the list goes on my friend. I dont need your shit game
>>381237348
because I used to play it but I was slowly get more and more fed up with it being shit and now I'm sharing my opinion that I think its too bad to play at this point

>>381237128

Mei seems good. Her spray gun slows people down pretty quick, and that usually throws speedy types into "OH GOD GET ME OUT OF HERE" mode.

>>381237128
To continue playing Hog? He's not dead and Tracer still gets one-shot.

>>381237128
Roadhog can still one shot tracer and at least force Sombra to try and run from you.

>>381236010
>baddies actually believe pharah is balanced
I bet you blame the soldier when she wrecks your team, and the healers when you are that soldier.

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>>381236879
>Fat faggot does so much damage he melts barriers
>God76 also melts barriers thanks to power creep for people who can't aim
>Rein has to put his barrier down to recharge eventually
>Fat faggot can always flank and hook anyone from 20m away
>Fat faggot doesn't need to be careful with who he hooks because it literally doesn't matter
>Even if he doesn't one shot a tank he will severely cripple them
What the fuck were they thinking when they made this hero?

>>381237495
Pharah is balanced. You silver shitters just have to remember to look up every once in a while. I shit on pharah with zen. You genji mains are hopeless

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>he STILL plays Overwatch
Game is dying, just move on.

>>381237128
roadhog, through top 500 and streamed tournaments

All that's left on the chopping block is Hanzos fucking scatter arrow and this game will be free of noskill bullshit 1 shot kill gimmicks.

Also the OW forums are a fucking joke. For months the faggots there complained about hog. Now everyone is crying for a revert. Make up your minds shitters.

So why is everyone shitting on the game again?
It's fun.

>>381237495
Pharah is crazy vulnerable most of the time, but like having a half decent Widow she can't be ignored. The level of spam and its lack of damage drop off is too much of a problem to just leave alone. Balancing that is a real fucking problem, then you add in the stupid fucking synergy between her and Mercy and then the actual problems begin. Pharmercy is fucking aids. Thats not because of Pharah.

>>381237614
>he has never played against a good pharah
confirmed unranked shitter

>>381237614

Spotted the Mercy main.

>>381237658
It's not just forums, gamers nowadays are just impatient children.

>>381237614
Pharah kills her hard counter in 3 aoe hits.
>balanced

>>381237748
>>381237804
>/v/ before pharah buff
>omg she's trash her splash damage is so small and her rockets are so slow
>blizzard slightly buffs her so she doesn't have to touch the ground
>NERF HER NOW!

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>>381237683
>It's fun

>>381237658
They realised that while it sucks getting cheap killed through no fault of their own its better than giving flankers and more importantly shit like Mei and Mercy free reign to herp fucking derp about.

>>381235395
>1 week from today
>"WTF MAN DIVE IS OUT OF CONTROL"

>>381237614
Pharah has become extremely problematic for Zarya. I can't do anything to her even at 100% because she can stay out of reach above me.

>>381235395
F

>>381237683
It's /v/. No one actually plays video games; fox and the grapes.

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>already shits on tanks
>Now regens health while shits on tanks

>>381238391
I have been playing the game since the beta. The game is bad

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>>381237050
>Tracer needs an actual hard counter since Flashbang is garbage

git gut

>>381238571
He said while posting in thread after thread after thread begging for validation and attention

F

Fuck off Hogmains.

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>>381237050
The entire cast is a fucking Tracer counter just shoot at her. Theres so much spam that can kill a Tracer in one fucking hit. I know in my gut that Blizz are going to nerf her damage so that shes beyond fucking useless. If you get consistently murdered by a Tracer its because they are a good Tracer not because the character is broken. In fact I would say shes the most honest thing in the game. Also shes the only thing that gets 100% one shot by Hog.

>>381238839
what are you talking about

>>381237985
What's your sr faggo cause I know it's not very high if a pharah is slapping your shit. Learn to aim and you might get to gold.
>>381238172
Don't play into her, admittedly Zarya isn't the best matchup against pharah. Your best bet is to get charge off of her and avoid her until she comes into range. Now, regards have a hard time processing the whole "avoiding pharah" concept. That doesn't mean ignore her, it means to be aware of her general position and don't engage her until she plays into your range. This game isn't that hard guys

>>381237050
Tracer needs to be left alone. She's the highest skillcap character in the game and the people who dominate with her are better than you. Sorry.

>>381237495
>Pharah
>not balanced

Pharah + Mercy is strong, Pharah by herself is fucking harmless if you can aim even slightly.

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>Thinking this patch is a nerf just because the one-shot combo is gone

The fire rate increase is more than enough compensation for that. Anyone who thinks this patch is anything but a buff to Hog's overall effectiveness is a bad Hog player.

>>381238985
this the counter to tracer is just fucking aiming
in an emergency torb counters her if you are complete shit

>>381238172
>A Zarya counter making things hard for Zarya

??????

That's like complaining that Bastion melts your shield too fast as Reinahrdt.

>>381238478
>Reaper
>shitting on Tanks pre-buff

LOL

Fucking D.Va can give Reaper trouble in a straight up fight. Pre-buff Reaper was a Tank """"counter""" that only countered Tanks if he caught them unaware.

>>381235395
Oh god the glorious tears from the Hog babies who 100% honestly from the bottom of their heart think they deserve to one or two shot everyone they see, who honestly thought that using the longest stunlock in the game made them GOOD at the game

L
O
L
4
EVER

>>381239561
So many retards in here.
> hurr pharah is so op durrr all I did was stand directly under her and didn't even bother to look up
Seriously

>>381239437
They made one of the most braindead characters into something where you need to actually communicate and work with your team. Your going to get punished for flanking like a spastic, your not a sneaky hero your a fucking tank.

Might as well ask this here:

What's the counter to Winston?

Is Reaper good again?

>>381239437
its a nerf to his ability to 1v1 and kill people who are prevented from being able to react for sure

He will still be doing the same shit, but with far less one or two shotting people.

Which is was the point of the change.

>>381239882
tracer is good

>>381238985
>>381239547
>Just shoot her

You do realize that this is a "counter" that applies to fucking everyone in the game? A counter is something that is effective specifically towards a certain character. To give you an example, Winston fucks up Widowmaker because his kit is specifically effective against her. There is currently nothing in the game like that for Tracer.

All that aside, another popular argument to defend Tracer is "She has 150 health", which is actually pretty misleading. It's true that her max health is 150, but that is the amount of health she has if, and ONLY if, you manage to oneshot her. Otherwise she virtually has 300 health thanks to the rewind.

>>381239882
Discord Orb.

>>381239882
Anti Tank or Snipers.

>>381240013
You really just need to get better
>she actually has 300 health :)))
no she doesnt
>hurt tracer, she rewinds back to 150
>reload while she rewinds
>kill her?
wow

>>381237631
>he still posts le epic alt-right frog
Get laid faggot

>>381235395
One year later and Reinhardt is still a buggy as fuck character. His charge, M1, and earth shatter are all inconsistent in their effectiveness in ways the player can't account for.

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>>381240013
The entire fucking game IS the Tracer counter. Where does it say that everything in OW 100% needs a hard counter? Theres no real hard counter for 76 in this game of Rock Paper Scissors so lets what? Break something else to bring him in line?

Nah fuck off you shitter.

>>381240210
>Hurt Tracer for 145 damage
>She rewinds
>Has another 150 health for you to go through
>Somehow this isn't exactly the same as having to fight someone with 300 health, with the distinction that you can oneshot her and avoid having to go through her "second" health bar

As to your argument that I just need to get better, how about you justify Tracer not having an actual counter when all other members of the cast have one instead of spouting "git gud"?

>>381240274
Fuck the charge. I have no idea how they coded that but its designed to just irritate the fuck out of using it and being caught by it. I've been sucked out of a blink into it, i've been caught swift striking into it. On the other hand I've hit the perfect charge on a Mei coming out of Ice Block and all its done is knock her into the air.

I swear it has something to do with the shooter priority bullshit.

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>>381235395
>hook is now a technical ploy to reel in backline enemies for your bros to capitalize on
>can now tank-bust with greater effect thanks to buffed firing rates


My main is now a team player. I for one welcome this. Only shit part is that sneaky creep-hog is no longer a viable strategy save for the lulz.

>>381240582
>everything needs a 100% easy mode no fun allowed hard counter because i cant turn on my monitor

>>381240294
S76 is fucking castrated by D.va, tracer shitter.

A counter need not be able to kill the character they counter. Just making them useless works too.

>>381239437
You haven't played the new hog. I have 70+ hours on hog and just tried his changes out, his basic shots do fuck all damage unless the enemy player takes every single bullet to the face in melee range, and even then it only takes their health down 40-50% (200 hp heroes, not tanks). Hog now has no role, now his only reliable way to kill is via the hook combo. He can't bust shields, he can't deal damage. He's basically a walking free ultimate charge every time his hook is off cooldown or he misses.
>just land ur hooks and bring them to your team you hogfag
Easier said than done, this might work in quickplay, but in higher ranking competitive it can be really difficult to land a hook. I see hog becoming useless tier and considered a troll pick real soon.

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>>381235395
They just keep ruining my husbando.

>>381235795
>what is DVa

>>381240210
You are effectively saying the same thing Roadhog players used to say.

>just stop having bad positioning
>just shoot her

>>381240294
76's strength is mid range, he gets shit on at close range by a fair number of characters.

>>381237658
Oh, fuck you with the scatter arrow bullshit. Just because you get killed by a person who can use there fucking brain to guess where your dumbass is and kill you doesn't mean it needs a nerf.

>>381240629
>hasnt actually played nu-hog

Increased fire rate means nothing. His DPS is actually lower.
It feels like you are playing a morbidly obese D.va with no shields.
Hooking people is more likely to get yourself killed.

>>381238985
Real arena shooter game (unreal)
>can teleport, by throwing gravity-affected projectile everyone can see
>can't regain health by going back in time, your health remains intact
>has same moving speed as everyone else
>game has various weapons with a blast radius

Inspiration for tracer (dota) [weaver w/ blink dagger]
>can instantly teleport, but only once every 13 seconds and that's if he hasn't been hit recently
>can regain health by going back in time, but only every 40-60 seconds
>moving speed matters little as the game mostly lacks skill shots

Tracer (overwatch)
>can instantly teleport up to three times in less than a second
>can regain health by going back in time every 12 seconds
>has faster moving speed than most of the cast
>in a game with plenty of projectiles with a lower speed than those of arena shooters
>game is severely lacking in weapons with a blast radius

I'm not saying she's unbalanced because I don't know enough about game design, but you can see how she is so different from the concept she's drawing from in terms of numbers. In Unreal and Dota, it's both fun playing as and against player who teleport like that. In Overwatch, not that much.

>>381237050
and hanzo scatter
one shotting tanks without aiming is pretty bullshit

>>381236010

>tank that can 2 shot any non tank or 1shot combo them if their hook is up

Yeah roeadhog was NOT balanced.

>>381240816
So your complaints are:

It takes more than one shot to kill people

If you miss your attacks you are useless

You cant solo bring shields down

The only way to kill someone reliably is to correctly execute your stunlock combo(longest stun in the game btw)

It's almost as if you've been brought down to the level of EVERY OTHER HERO IN THE FUCKING GAME

>>381240718
>it's fine for other characters to have hard counters but not the character I play

Really gets the noggin' joggin'

>>381241175
>comparing a topdown moba to an fps
thats not how it works

>>381241158
So maybe

Just maybe

Hook them into your team. Roadhog isn't a unkillable 1v1 assassin anymore.

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>>381241294
I dont even play overwatch :)

>>381240816
>Secondary fire
>25 pellets per shot, 2-9 damage per pellet
>Damage falloff is calculated from the point the ball scatters, so a well placed shot will deal 9 damage per pellet and it will hit at least 20 of those pellets
>20 x 9 = 180 on a bodyshot, 360 on a headshot
>180 - 33% = 121
>360 - 33% = 242
>A secondary fire headshot will oneshot any 200 health hero, while two bodyshots will also do the job
>Those two bodyshots will come out in 1.3 seconds with the new firing speed


The same math also applies to the primary fire, just that it has a lot more spread which means a more inconsistent amount of pellets hitting the intended target and the damage of those pellets will fall off quicker because the point of origin is hog himself and not the scrap ball. But it's intended to be a close range option, after all.

What did they do to him?

>>381241502
>relying on your team for anything
you greatly overestimate the people that play this game

Hog serves no purpose now. Being able to pull people means jack shit, when every other tank in the game offers some form of utility.

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>>381241721
They raped him.

>>381241254
To be fair this game needs all the barrier busting characters it can get. Playing Barrierwatch is not a fun game.

>>381241721
>Bullet damage decreased by 33%.
>Fire rate increased by 30%.
>Clip size increased from 4 to 5.

newest patch set to release today

>>381241254
>It's almost as if you've been brought down to the level of EVERY OTHER HERO IN THE FUCKING GAME

Roadhogs downsides dont balance with his upsides anymore.
In exchange for being able to one-shot, hes a huge target, has no escape abilities, no armor, cant do much without his hook, low clips, long reload, and was basically a walking ult battery for the enemy.
Now his oneshot is gone, so hes out of balance.

>>381241746
Then they should have just reduced hook range. A 20m instant kill combo on 99% of the cast is not okay.

>>381241996
It's out. I just went to the practice range, his ROF feels ridic fast now. I feel like this is going to be more fun both to play as and against as a non-tank. As a barrier tank, it's going to feel like ass because he's going to shred you along with the updated Reaper.

>>381241437
>you can't compare different things

That's exactly what you can compare. There's a reason Overwatch lifts abilities from Dota (Roadhog's Hook taken from Pudge), and why that game lifted abilities from other games in other genres (Pudge's Hook taken from Scorpio).

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If you are under 3000 sr you are not allowed to post.

>>381242047
Except they increased his magazine size and fire rate to compensate.

>>381242410
Barely.

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>Still doesn't lower the fire rate of toons using semi fire weapon when freezing.
>Still can't slide on her ice trail when firing at her feet.
It's like Blizzard hates her too.

>>381235739
fuck off him and the indian bitch were broken, not even op or anything, just broken.
A tank almost one shotting another tank what the fuck was that shit ?

>>381241705
This. What separates good hogs from bad hogs now is how well they can maintain the optimal scrap ball distance and their aim with it. Hook is still a powerful tool, but not because of its oneshot potential. (Even though you can still deal a tremendous amount of damage on someone you hooked, and most likely they won't survive the followup shot 0.7 seconds later).

>>381241101

Are you unironically saying you haven't played Hanzo that abuses scatter arrow by shooting the feet?

Gold player or lower detected.

>>381235395
Give him back 6 second hook now that he can't kill shit

>>381237495
You are literally in plat fuck off. In diamond its a coinflip if the dps shuts her down fast or not and in master everyone with a brain shoots the mercy rendering her useless.
You do realize pharrahs overall dps is shit rite?

>>381239304
Lmao highskill cap you have like 4 get out of jail cards stfu

>>381242360
So you should stop posting.

>>381241254
>It takes more than one shot to kill people
Not a problem, I think this is how hog should be. But his shots right now do little damage, especially his right click. This makes it so he has no real use outside of the hook.
>If you miss your attacks you are useless
No, if you miss your 8 second cooldown ability you are useless since it's the only reliable source of damage and utility you have. Other heroes can miss their abilities but still have basic shots that deal good damage. Hog's damage is shit.
>You cant solo bring shields down
This was one of the main roles of roadhog, without his shield destroying capability he is once again, useless and without a true role, other heroes can do it better.

When seagul, harbleu, chro and other pros consider him an off pick you know hes fucked.
So he can spam into rein shields but big whoop we are seeing less and less of him. He cannot break a zarya bubble in one shot.

Fuck this hope enough crying happena on reddit that the cocksucker jeff reverts this shit

>>381237050
Lucio by his nature will always be a broken piece of shit unless you nerf him into literal uselessness. Anything less won't cut it.

He's an inherently flawed character and the only way to fix the problem is to remove him from the game, preferably while taking the only good part of him (wall running) and slapping it on a new character.

>>381244123
If anything everyone is celebrating his demise.

>>381243583
>But his shots right now do little damage

He can still oneshot 200 health heroes with a well placed secondary. See >>381241705

>>381244590
Meh, give or take a few months when people start to complain about shit dive comp meta some change will bring about him and reinhardts return.

thanks again blizzard you fell to the pressure of underage dps shitters once again. rip hog

>>381244848
>He can still one shot with three successive skill shots

>one shot

?????????

>>381235395
As long as I can still hook people off the map, then I'm happy.

>>381244358
New Lucio is a fucking plague though, he is a legitimate rush down character now on top of everything he had going for him.

This one Support now has
>easy healing he does not not have to think about other than being close to his team mates
>unrivaled mobility
>universal speed boost
>actual damage that is threatening to 200 HP heroes

Lucio now kills 200 HP heroes almost as well as Zenyatta now, only Lucio can heal more than one person and escape if he gets ambushed.

>>381243583
This guy gets it.
Im not saying Hog didnt need a nerf, but what happened was far too severe and ruined his kit altogether.

All they had to do to fix him was something along the lines of
>Nerf damage 15-20%
>increased fire rate 15-20%

this 33% damage nerf and 30% fire rate (the math is fucked on that.) is a glorified sneeze.

The extra shot in the chamber might as well not be there. Its not like it would make a big difference on his tickle gun.

>>381242360
>yfw everyone here is gone

All the shitters saying hog is dead go find a healslut who is desperate to be boosted and tell her to only dmg boost you. You only have -3% dmg now.

>>381242654
I think the decrease i rof would be annoying to people. when i play her i shoot an ice path infront of me to run around on. Blizzard no fun.

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>>381245297
>Three successive
>One secondary to the head from the correct distance deals 241 damage

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>>381240263
>pepe is alt-right
found the plebbit

>>381246535
And how much dps does Dva do in that same time frame if she has identically perfect aim?

And then consider how her kit is better than fatpig's in every single way

>>381245790
Healslut here, can confirm

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>>381242360
>3000 sr
>hard
pick one

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>>381237050
>Tracer needs an actual hard counter
Yeah, so much for Roadhog.

>>381239882
Used to be Roadhog.

>>381237408
is this that movie with rape scene?

>>381247095
She doesn't oneshot anyone, that's for sure. DPS is not the same as burst and both serve different purposes.

And hook + self heal + whole hog is still a good kit. D.vas DM is a retarded ability though, I think we can all agree on that.

>>381244848
>200 HP heroes have heads big enough to take the full shot of Roadhog's massive shotgun
???

>>381247563
You're not wrong anon. People doing these maths assuming all the m1 pellets hit after a hook are either disingenuous or retarded.

>>381241101
>Guess where your dumbass is..

>Jump in front of roadhog
>literally 2-shot him with Scatter + normal hit combo
>Deal +450 damage by aiming at the feet
>High skilled play

>>381235395

what did they do to roadhog?

>>381240013
>>381240582
I would just like to point out that the most damage you could possibly have to do to a tracer with a rewind is 299, not 300.

>>381246535
>his damage is fine you just have to stay at this exact range and have perfect prediction
At last I truly see. I just have to stand out in the open and feed the other team ult charge in order to do anything. Roadhog is still viable.

>>381247340
It was and still is Reaper.

>>381247381
>D.vas DM is a retarded ability though,

Retardedly good or retardedly bad?

>>381247381
That's what I'm most mad about in this Hog nerf, D.Va is losing a hard counter. Now Zarya is literally the only character who can play around Defense Matrix at a safe range.

>>381235395
good fucking riddance

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>>381239938
>that's a nice tank meta you got there

>>381247997
Retarded good, nigh instant 4 second denial of literally everything in the game aside from 3 M1s and Hog's hook.

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>>381247563
Here, have an explanatory picture.

>>381237537
"Hey this looks fun"

>>381241231
THIS

>>381248175
you forgot her literal counter that has already been prevalent as fuck

>>381237537
They weren't. And that's the problem. The "hook + instagib" is fundamentally broken as when it fails it's frustrating to lose the combo, when it works you feel like you got a kill for doing jack-fucking-shit, when you're on the receiving end you feel like absolute dogshit as you're yanked halfway across the map by a fat fucker and there is nothing you can do but watch your death happen.

It's annoying to make work right, it's frustrating as hell to go up against, and the game would be far better off if this mechanic never existed in the first place.

>>381248398
I see Zarya less and less these days. And now she is D.Va's only legitimate counter-play to Defense Matrix.

>>381245790
Annnnnnnnnd he's still worse to pocket than a pharah

>>381247673
>He thinks any of the Overwatch cast take skill

Lmao desu anon desu

The fact that it took Blizzard over a year to realize that one hero being able to 1hko 80% of the other hero's from 20m away with almost no aim is bad gameplay makes it pretty clear that blizz doesn't know what they're doing when it comes to balance. Let alone the fact that up until a couple months ago he could hook AROUND CORNERS and nearly instantly self heal his entire 600 hp healthpool with bio grenade.

I enjoy playing overwatch but it's things like that that are the reason this game will never truly be competitive.

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I have to say it just feels fucking AMAZING watching all these plebs who climbed out of Gold thanks to maining hog.

Back you go little shitter.

>>381248652
It's been over a year
Blizzard has already stated Scatter Arrow is being used in a way they did not intend
They have done nothing about it.

Jesus H. Christ, people, Roadhog's still perfectly usable, the only reason you're all upset is because you can't do an automatic delete every hook without actually aiming at the sweet spot on the hooked character.

>33% faster firing rate
>1 more ammo
>M2 still vapes people at its sweet spot
>still smashes barriers hard
>still has his Hook 2.0
>still heals himself 300 a pop
>still has untouched Whole Hog

The only actual change is that he's now less of a lone porker and more of a "yank people into your team to get slaughetered" character.

>>381235795
Pharah buff when?

>>381248765
>each scattershot can only hit each enemy hero once
>each shard deals 125 damage
>less RNG in the spread pattern

wew i did it i balanced the game

>>381248531
she's in literally every game in masters and grandmasters and even moreso when there is a d.va that needs countering

>>381248194
That ball is bigger than their head and the shot doesn't all start from the same exact point in 3D space. Roadhog could never 100% headshot people even at the distance you'd be placed at from being hooked. Even fucking touching someone isn't enough distance to land all the shot on small heads. You aim for the neck in order to land all the shot and spread the damage between head and body.

>There are people, right now, on this board, in this thread, that think the fat pig getting nerfed is a bad thing

God I love /v/. Such a high concentration of retards on a single website is ridiculously entertaining.

>>381242360
>Diamond shitters think they belong here either
lmao

>>381249243
You can literally go into the game right now and oneshot people with a well aimed scrap ball.

>>381249243
The hell are you talking about you dumb slut?
You've always been able to one-shot non-tanks with right click if you had the correct range.

>>381235395
I literally came here just for this thread.

Fuck blizz

>>381235395
>they nerfed roadhog
finally, now they just need to nerf symmetra into the ground

People who thought Roadhog needed another nerf are objectively bad at this game. At release he was broken yes, but hes been nerfed many times since then and was finally at a decent spot.

>>381247362
It definitely has a rape scene, yes.

>>381242654
>Still can't slide on her ice trail when firing at her feet
Literally all it would take to raise the fun playing her 100%

>>381235708
RIP, now you have to actually stick with your team you fucking retard.

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>>381249628
yes because people running around looking at the ground is a good thing

>>381249372
>>381249451
Yes, you were able to oneshot people with the secondary before, I've done it plenty of times, but it was never 100% headshot. The spread is naturally broader than their head. Just because you got a red hitmarker doesn't mean all 9 of the shots landed on the head.
I would have taken this damage nerf with no other changes besides a tighter shot spread. Right now, it's sneezing.

>>381248652
>>381248765
>scatter is supposed to be strong in corridorss
Just make it so that each shot penetrates target but can't damage the same guy again unless the projectile bounced.
50% less damage for each new target after the first so it doesn't delete teams

>>381250009
You still can oneshot people with the secondary.

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>>381235395
Dunno what everyone's bitching about. Just had a few games with Hog and I did about the same as I always do. The higher fire rate feels pretty fantastic actually. Just gotta soften up with a shot or two first, hook, then shoot+melee and bob's your uncle

>>381249963
>complain about the lack of mechanical depth in movement in an OW thread
wew lad

>>381242360
>playing competitive
>anything less than a full group for your team leads to dealing with raging autistic faggots
Why would anybody even fuck with competitive when arcade/quickplay are actually fun and allow you to fuck around without people who won't cry a storm and blame everyone but themselves?

>>381250009
>but it was never 100% headshot.
So? It's still a one-shot, and you didn't have to aim for neck or whatever - literally just point to the middle of the face and have them eat a load of scrap.

>>381249638
He always did. This flanking Roadhog shit is a meme perpetuated by the deaf retards that inhabit bronze. A lone Roadhog is free ult charge and 20 seconds off the clock/a won point.

My only concern is that he only got 5 shots as compensation instead of 6. If he had 6 then his damage per magazine would be roughly the same, as well as the time it takes for him to unload the entire mag so he'd only really be losing the one shot hook.

>now roadhog is just good instead of braindead broken
It doesn't surprise me that so many on /v/ mained him and think he is bad now just because their complete lack of skill means they can't get kills outside of hook and random right clicks

>>381249260
t. Gold Tracer main

>>381242360
Diamond ain't hard to get, if you're under 3750 you shouldn't be allowed to post desu

>>381242360

I'm stuck at 2.000 for whole seasons and can't wing games because I always solo queue.

Seing videos of guy hitting grandmaster solo queue is fucking beyond me, maybe I'm not very good but most of the time I get matched with the most autistic players it's ridiculous.

>>381239882
Bastion works great even if he's using ulti.

>>381239869

>Your
>your
>your

How do you fuck up this badly?

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>>381249621
>People who thought Roadhog needed another nerf are objectively bad at this game.

>Relied on a character with a no-skill instagib every 8 seconds to contribute to his team

You must main Hanzo as well

>>381250689
are you me?

It's strange cuz in a game like battlefield or cod I absolutely dominate.

>>381248765
because despite scatter arrow hanzo isn't very strong. maybe if he had 600hp and a self heal he'd be on par with roadhog

Other roadhog mains, how is he honestly? I'm dying to reapers a bit more often, but the hooks and instagibs on priority targets is still fine. If its a tank I just try to focus on environmental kills instead.

But this is all on quickplay, don't want to put it into practice until i'm familiar with the new road.

>>381235739

>oh no my OP character got nerfed because i can't one shot DPS anymore

fuck you nigger

>>381250812

I really feel that communication is essential wen you want to play that shit seriously, I am a legit decent fps player but playing competitive solo queue is like a fucking dice throw, if you are with a good team you abolutely wreck te other one, and if you are matched with autists you can even secure the first objective.

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so reaper is even more useless now, thanks blizzard

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>>381237348

Matches the game pretty well desu

>/v/ LEGITIMATELY believes Pharah needs a nerf despite being the most underpowered DPS that needs a pocket support to be viable
You're all fucking gold elo or lower, i know that for a fact.

The only other person on here that isnt dogshit at the game is a McCree main and he'll call you fucking braindamaged for thinking that Pharah is OP becaue you fucking are.

>>381250619
How do people do it though?
I can win 3 rounds in a row with a semi-competent team and then suddenly get matched with drooling retards like mercy mains, torb mains, symm mains.
It's not like you can carry in this game.
before you all jump on me, yes you can definitely outplay your opponents but there comes a point where you simply can't do enough dps/tank enough damage to outweigh the lack of team-support.

>>381239882

D.va Shift bump along with quick shoot and follow in/out of his barrier.

>>381251080
What?
It's a buff if anything you dumbie.

>>381249963
That's what would make it fun though. You get an increase to movement speed if you look down and skate, but run the risk of getting caught off guard if you aren't aware of your surroundings. Anyone who gets killed because they were skating only has them self to blame for looking down w/out being perceptive.

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>>381242360

>being under 3000

how is that even fucking possible

>>381251080
How, exactly?

>>381237683
mosy of the people in this thread don't even play OW actively or at all.

Who else here is switching to D.va for the rest of summer? Fucking hate that little shit but she's unbelievably powerful and basically counters 90% of the other heroes.

>>381251263
if any one thinks pharah is actually too op never left bronze shes not op shes just good and thats it.

>>381251263
Phara is either subpar (solo) or creeping on busted (pocket Mercy) there is no in between with her and I don't know how they can fix it. Anything they do to Mercy directly affects Pharah. That's why the had to bring her damage beam back down after they increased it, Pharah was dominating entire teams. But if they buff Pharah then a Pharah with a pocket will be too good idk man.

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Thread has reached critical shitposting, post OW cuties now.

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if you complain about phara you are probably diamond or lower. If you complain about sym you are most likely plat or lower.

>>381251080
>Reapers think they can take me now
>Let themselves get hooked
>Oops looks like they forgot about my increased fire rate
>Heal after I kill them

>>381251910
lol
They brought damage boost down because a pocketed McCree instagibbed people. Had nothing to do with Pharah.

would be nice if they would at least fix Roadhog's hook so it stops lifting people into the air randomly. Really ruins the fun

>>381252101
No, no, here's what they should do. You know how Widowmaker's hook can be cancelled but she maintains momentum? Apply that to Roadhog's hook and fling people across the map.

>>381252050
lol only grand masters play tracer, they realize shes actually really fucking good (maybe a little too good)

>>381252096
>No source

Well you hav it your best shot champ, you tried

Maybe next time sport

F

fuck that nigga

>>381252341
>source
Do the numbers you fucking idiot. What's 50% of 140?.

>>381252642
Once again, without a source your words mean nothing

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>mfw I like the changes
>mfw I still play him

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>>381252101
Oh, so that's what it was.

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>>381251956
Why is pharah so perfect?

>>381237050
Torbs turret makes Tracer fuck off real nicely

good luck setting it up though.

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>>381235395
The Overwatch playerbase is full of babies who get stupid nerfs through via mob mentality because they're too stupid to adapt or learn how to play.
Now that Roadhog is useless you'll just have auto healing Reapers in every match. Good job.

>>381239665
>D.Va can give Reaper trouble in a straight up fight
I have lost count of how many Dvas i soloed as reaper, mech and all.

>>381252050
Genji and Tracer pick rates actually surprise me, I thought they'd get picked more in the lower ranks.

Funny how Genji, Tracer and Ana are the only heroes that consistently get higher pick rates per rank.

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>>381252990
>Roadhog is useless

>>381252884
she's not, you have bad taste

Time to find a new main. Lucio looks fun.

>>381237448

See you next week.

>>381253154
His gun is so weak you're better off shooting nerf darts at the enemy.
Reaper is 100% better than him now and you're better off having any other tank

>>381238582
I want to punish that ass.

>>381237050
What the fuck is wrong with defense matrix?

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>>381253312
Sure

>>381252990
Nah. Meta won't change. It'll still just be dive every game.
>>381252785
What do you even want source for? McCree one shot people with a headshot. Pharah still needed two direct hits for a kill.
McCree kept seeing use once Zenyatta and his 50% damage boost (hint: same boost as Mercy) started appearing in every game. Pharah didn't. Use some critical thinking skills for once you brainlet.

>>381235395
whoa they finally fixed this shitty cancerous character ? I might actually play the game now

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>>381253160
Cute protective chocolate soldier who is shy and awkward. You are the one with shit taste my dude.

>>381249963
My dude why the fuck is she going to shoot the ground someone else is standing on instead of shooting them if she close enough.

>>381237208
Flashbang needs to stop momentum immediately OR make the stun duration start when the character stops. Jumping counters it hard right now

>>381253410
Nice rebuttal, fucktard.
I'm sure you're the same kind of baby who cried his ass off non-stop until he got nerfed though because you're too retarded not to walk into his hook.
I'm so glad I stopped playing this game pre-anniversary event. The community is full of nothing but babies encouraging the shitty balance procedures.

>>381253160
Bad taste would imply theres some obvious downside for agreeing that Pharah is best girl.

>>381235395
Fucking retarded there was nothing wrong with hog at all. His role was to counter this retarded no skill dive meta full of faggot genjis who think pressing shift+melee makes them good at this shitty game.

inb4 "hurr dive takes skill" stacking mobility heroes zooming across the map without a care for their positioning or accuracy and yelling "ANA ANANANA ZEN ZENZE MONKEY MOENYKE YMONEKY" is real fucking skilled.

Garbage fucking game

>>381253973
Taimou is that you?

>>381253312
>His gun is so weak
Everyone is mad for over a fucking year now that he literally one shots people, with and without hook.
Shut the fuck up

>>381253808
He's my second most played character. He's still perfectly usable. You must be fucking terrible with him lmao

>>381253973
Dive is unironically the best meta this game can have and flankers arguably require the most skill out of all of the heroes in the game.
Road nerf was unjustified though.

>>381254212
>literally one shots people, with and without hook.
>t. retarded baby who can't adapt so he begs for nerfs from Blizzard
It made sense back when Roadhog's hook was a good tool against overzealous offense classes or healers. Now it can only do anything against Tracer given the damage.

>>381236294
76 is already balanced though

When's doomfist?

Last time I played the meta was Ana + Tanks. Now its a dive meta?

What happened? Nerfs? Buffs?

Roadhog's only use now is an ult battery for the enemy team. Even more than he already was.

>>381254670
>t. soldier main

>>381254972
He's still rather squishy

>>381254715
Ana's damage got nerfed so she can't 1v1 flankers anymore and as it so turns out, tanks can't do shit without a billion heals being pumped into them. Dive Ana and the tanks die shortly after. Thus a dive meta.

All these whiny Roadshitters bitching that their main got hit with the nerf bat

Cry more fgts, and git gud now

>>381255181
The only people who need to git gud are the people who are constantly getting classes made useless because they're babies. Roadhog wasn't the first victim of the casual retards who play this game.

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>Mccree got buffed

>hogtards pretending to know anything about "balance"

LOL use more than one hero you cucks

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>Reaper heals the amount of damage he does giving him extreme survivability because of his damage output
>Wraith mode refills his guns
>Death Blossom makes him as invincible as Tranquility would because of the healing
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>381252050
I love how the two heroes Blizzard reworked still aren't viable.

>>381255379
Barely.

>>381253379
Not him
That thing takes up way too much area, and it lasts too long.

>>381237050
Deflect is fine, just don't shoot into it you monkey. You have to play around it, but I gathered from your post that you're plat so there's probably no hope for you.

>>381255531
Fuck off, you all said Reaper was trash and now you got what you wanted.

>>381255531
>hard countered by anyone with the mobility to stay out of his range
>still no way to close the gap reliably
>ult gets canceled by pretty much everything in the game
Pub stomper hero only.

>>381237432
>hog good at taking down tracer
I'm the shittiest tracer one trick you've ever seen, but I can still run circles around any hog prenerf.

It was actually my strat to build my ult off of a road and then go bomb a mercy before coming back to farm off my hog again.

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>>381237631
>Game has been dying since release
>Game is still going strong with a massive playerbase
>/v/fag doomsayers on suicide watch

Fuck off you autistic faggot, the game won't die for years, it's competition is even more incompetent at retaining players than TF2 was.

>>381251310
You can't carry in this game, you're correct. The only way you're going to reach diamond is if you form a group with friends / people-you-met-in-ranked-that-aren't-total-fuckwits and play matches together. Get people you know and can synergise with. You'll compliment each other's strengths and at the very least attempt to cover for each other's weaknesses. If nothing else, queue-ing with people you know lessens the chance for retards on your team.

You and 2 other people would make 3/6 on the team. That's enough to make a difference in case you get matched with average players. 4/6 means you can attempt to carry, but you're still praying that matchmaking doesn't fuck you over. 5/6 can carry the last tard but it's difficult. A full 6stack is the ideal way to play but it's not easy to set up. Wish you the best of luck.

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tfw overwatch proved you can sell a piece of shit if you make the girls pretty

>>381235395
>nerf a midtier character to death because silver shitters in the forums complain about it

A true blizzard move

I hope those shitters will soon realize that Dive is even stronger now and will wreck the game even more

>>381239665
>reaper flanking tanks at all
It's all about surprising squishies.
He's got that retarded bulky hp bar and he now heals whenever he hits you.
They need to make it 10% damage dealt or just give him a passive that doesn't heal his ass.

>>381256193
But all weebshit follows the same marketing practice anon

>>381256386
>Dive
phoneposter

>>381255531
>>381255917

To be honest i think reaper is still unviable trash even with that buff

>>381256435
i am posting from a pc thank you, i dont know why i wrote that capital though

But i really hate tracer/genji and winston comps

>>381256398
Reaper gets dicked by squishies. Pretty much all of them are faster than him and all of them have better range than him.

>>381235395
>removed the one useful thing about roadhog's kit
>lowered his DPS at the same time
Another example of Blizzard nerfing something because of forum babbies whining about dying to it. Enjoy your D.VA/Winston and Tracer/Genji comps, I guess.

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>>381256430
weebshit is miserable garbage but is niche trash that no one cares about. overwatch is worse than battleborn, evolve, and umbrella corps all in one and still the most popular game on earth. it helped me realize theres a new generation of gamers out there because i cant fucking understand how anyone enjoys this shit

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>>381253973
Genji wasn't and hasn't been an issue for months now, the only people that die to Genji "unfairly" are silver shitters that don't understand how his reflect works, and by extension probably don't understand that standing on the control point prevents enemies from capturing it.

The game is balanced, there's very little in it that could be considered "unfair" now that roadhog is more team-centric.

I want to like McCree but lol no mobility

>>381256843
To be fair is there any game that isn't "shit" at this point :(

>>381256971
some, but they are all single player

>>381237050
you literally sound like every fucking leaguefag since S2

>>381257105
But I like playing games with my friends anon, what games are there that pass your impeccable tastes that I can play with 2 buddies

>>381239882
Reaper might be good again starting today

>>381257253
co-op games

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>>381256859
Genji and tracer are overpowered and need to be nerfed

They are literally strong in every lineup and every skill bracket

>>381256831
>increasing fire rate is lowering DPS
Even if they took 49% of his base damage away he's still shooting 1 more time per second and thus dealing twice as much damage.

Sorry you can't target track good enough to land two consecutive hits, guess you should just go play Mercy or Lucio for the rest of your life, or wait until Reaper gets off the PTR so he can carry your ass to diamond instead.

>>381239882
Reaper will easily beat him and Roadhog is still pretty good at killing Winston.

>>381255037
a dps that´s squishy? wow

>>381246535
>only if you're fulfilling a, hard to achieve, multitude of conditions you'll be able to be about as good as before(still not as good)
>"he's basically the same!"
>basically deleteing a Hero for 90% of the playerbase is completely ok
lol

>>381257435
>Using pro-scene numbers

Argument discarded, silver player detected, comp and proscene are two different things.

Genji and Tracer aren't a problem, they're """"high"""" skillcap DPS. Just git gud at McCree and flashbang the ground anytime Genji or Tracer dives and you win.

>>381255826
the duration is fine, I think I'd be okay with it not going out as far though

I can't wait until people realize hog is still basically the same except now he can just spam shoot people down much easier.

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>>381237683

I'm not shitting on it. I've just realized I'm terrible at online games.

I only play vs. AI most of the time now. I get stressed too easy in competitive. I don't like being stressed in games. I'm stressed at my job constantly. I hate this feel but it is what it is.

>>381257789
Pro scene numbers are the only numbers that matter in balance arguments

You dont show us any numbers or proof you just claim your statements are facts.

So i'd say "opinion discarded"

i like how nobody seems to care that Soldier 76 is by far the most all-round powerful hero in the game. Why ever pick McCree over him?

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With every patch they keep making this game less and less fun, I knew this game would go to shit once Blizzard tried to shill the competitive scene

Roadhog main here. I like the changes. Hook picks are just to single out targets. On a decent team Roadhog doesn't even get the kill for any of his hooks because they die before you can fire. His slow rate of fire and limited clip size basically meant that someone could get up in your face and harrass the living shit out of you if your hook was on CD.

>check the patch notes
>Oni Genji and Officer D.Va have been added to classic loot boxes
What the fuck. Way to go Blizzard. You tricked me into playing your shitty moba.

>>381257536
What? He now fires every .7 seconds instead of every 1 second, not every .5 seconds.

>>381257809
Nothing is wrong with matrix, nerfing a tanks only protective ability is retarded, if anything her jets should be reduced, I think dva is in a really good place right now though, not easy to brush off, but not at all difficult to focus down.

>>381251040

My problem is my teams always have that one mother fuck who always leaves. One night I played about 10 comp games and in 4 of them at least one mother fucker left. Sometimes we were winning too. This is what needs a solution makes comp terrible and keeps a lot of us in purgatory

>>381258048
The game is designed to be as casual as possible and yet they try to force it to be played competitively it just doesnt work

>>381257990
I don't need numbers you chimp, I didn't say anything that needed to be backed up by numbers. McCree and Sombra shit on Genji/Tracer, play either of them and coordinate with your team to get out of silver/gold. If you're actually decent at the game (which you aren't or you wouldn't be there in the first place) you should be able to solo carry as McCree.

>>381257435

>Lucio in absolute top

I concur with this. A lucio can and will change a game's outcome defense or offense and especially offence. The minute I hit competitive I rarely find a time where I'm really contributing as a Torbjorn or a Bastion even though I love playing them.

Blizzards mentality has been that it's ok for a hero to be bad at a rank tier, but it's not ok for a hero to be too good at a rank tier. Genji isn't good at Bronze, but if you buff him to where he's good at Bronze, he will be instant pick at Grandmaster. It's much less frustrating overall to have a bad character around than one people feel like they have to pick.
What's happening to Roadhog right now is the other side of that. At grandmaster he was a risky pick, because you had to balance his pick potential with him not having shields and being an ult battery. There were Zarya shields, Dva matrix, Mei walls, Lucio boops, Mcree stuns, better positioning, etc that could all stop the hook combo. But at lower tiers, Roadhog was really frustrating to play against because none of that counterplay happened. It was relatively easy to get a hook, while the other team felt defenseless against it. You can go back and see the forum posts yourself, they're from lower rank players. Blizzard didn't do this nerf for the grandmaster ranks, they did it for the Bronze ranks. Yes he is going to be a troll pick at Grandmaster probably, but Blizzard would rather have that than a broken pick in Bronze.

>>381242360
Everyone who posts what rank they are will always post one rank higher.

>>381258290
Nice adhominem and lack of actual argument

Opinion discarded, actual numbers prove your point wrong and you apparently cant handle being wrong in an argument.

>>381258115
This.

Hog always felt like a sitting duck without hook. The higher firing rate makes him feel much less vulnerable. Hooking someone is still a death sentence most of the time and 1v1 Roadhog is still pretty strong.

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>>381238582
thats a lesbian

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>>381235395
>McCree nerfed
>Roadhog nerfed
At least tracer is still okay

>>381237683
It's fun, but people take it way to seriously, when you start talking about "comps" and measuring competitive epeen it becomes cringe worthy. This is not and never will be a competitively interesting or deep game. The way it's blatantly consolized and the complete lack of skill based movement is laughable.

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6v6 Elimination was GOAT - why did they fucking remove it?

>>381242360
What's Rank 65 from Season 1 considered? Started and stopped there for the free coins

>>381240263
lol t. marketing agent

>>381258769
That would probably be around what is now diamond ergo 3000

>>381237050
Lucio is major bad, just play winston and GIT GUD

Tracer you're right about, McCree needs to be reworked as her counter

>>381256193

Sex and cute things are popular and sell.

When you combine them they sell even better.

It's why Anime is getting bigger and bigger. Disney effect too. Frozen had no good right to be as big a hit as it was but it had cute girls and songs.

>>381235795
is impossible to even balance.
She either shits on half the cast or gets shit on by the other half because of the Jet Pack.

>>381258764

They removed it?!?

That was fucking awesome

>>381250196
>without people who won't cry a storm and blame everyone but themselves?
But thats the best part.

>>381258386
"let's balance the game for 100 faggots rather than 100,000 faggots"

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>>381240294
>complains Tracer is weak to everyone, a character with multiple blinks on short CD and Weaver ult as base.
>complains 76 is uncounterable, the fucking CoD character

off yourself.

>>381259603
100 faggots that the 100,000 faggots watches regulary, and probably 100,000 more who just watch it for the excitment.

Esports is the way to balance a game.

>>381249021
so it doesn't matter for 98% of all players and games
neato

>>381258753
Bronze shitter spotted.

>>381240294
Tracer is the strongest attacker in the game.

The way roadhog shoots his gun now looks completely ridiculous. Blizzard should just admit they released a failed character. His usage and winrate are unremarkable, yet for some reason he still gets massive nerfs every patch.

>>381235395
Blizz don't even play their own game, Roadhog doesn't even get picked a lot nowadays, Winston and Dva are the go-to tanks in the meta. If they wanted to nerf Roadhog they should have did it 7 months ago back when triple tank was the way to play.

>>381260606
>add nothing
>call someone bad at a game they don't play anymore

Okay kid

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>consistent shitter teams in every single game
>gold everything and on fire every single time
>retarded comps incessantly
>never, NEVER get to be on the extreme dream team anymore, just failure after failure and frustration after frustration

Yeah, no, fuck this game. Let it die.

>Rarely rely on the hook
>Still blasting with hog

Keep crying bitch ass niggas, your tears make my penis harder.

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>people selecting the shit out of mccree because of muh new op ult
>they suck and still manage to fuck up the ult and kill one at most

fucking LMAO

Why is the focus never on Lucio? He's one of the best overall heroes hands down. Buff allies, super mobility, good damage, easy environmental kill, strong ult.