Which is better?

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Nu-Satan obviously

>>381234121
Both are good, but older one is better due to how overwhelming it feel.
>>381234207
In this case, Sentai Odin is obviously the superior choice.

>old satan squashed shittily to fit
>didn't even crop anyway

this thread is awful delete it now

I prefer New Satan because the design feels more cohesive.

Odin is a bit of a toss up. Either would be better if they gave him a beard.

>>381234121
Left has more symbolism but I prefer the right.

>>381234207
Purple man in robe has always been stupid to me. Left.

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would it be gay to touch your wiener to merkabah?

>>381234848
merkabah is a dude so yeah

>>381234121
I can't tell with all that blank space being most of the image, learn to crop.

>>381234121
>right depicts Satan is a seven-headed dragon
I want to say 4A Satan but they are both fantastic

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>>381235663
One of my problems with 4A Satan is that The Beast of Revelation is already depicted with a demon who appears in the same game.

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>>381234207
Left, right is pretty dull. But I submit a third choice.

>>381235880
I'd still go nu-odin. The bird is a great touch.

>>381234121
Can't go wrong with either, and I hope both are used in future games. Wouldn't want one to replace the other.

>>381234207
>>381235880
I'm going to have to go with new Odin. The old designs make him look like a low-level demon. The new design screams he is supposed to be tough shit

>>381236031
but its not

>>381234848
Hard to say. Four of his five components and three out of four of his faces are male, he has a male voice and is referred to with male pronouns. But the feminine form is most prominent. Probably doesn't have genitals, either.

>>381234848
4/5ths gay, yeah.

Why is Lucifer suddenly a part of Satan in 4A?

>>381236234
Yet making him looking stupid as fuck

>>381236409
opinions etc. It is the same reason Thor's SMT3 design is the best in the franchise verses his old design

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4A Satan is weird because it's very Revelation Satan which is covered character wise by Lucifer. It kind of works in the context of 4A because Satan is half Lucifer, but if Satan was depicted more like II Satan the chains would be extremely out of place.

>>381236903
yeah, the design only works in the context of SMT4A's plot behind Satan. I would feel the same way if Dagda continued to appear in other games with it's 4A design instead of being joyful and fat

>>381236384
Because he is? It's a different universe from previous, and this incarnation of Lucifer and the Cardinal Archangels are split from Satan. What's the question?

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Which one?

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>>381237340
the lightsabers are kinda cool

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>>381236541
Why doesn't Nocturne Thor wear Megingjord? Also why are all the Norse gods beardless in Megaten

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What went wrong?

>>381234207
It befuddles me that people prefer left. It is a game about mythology, it makes perfect sense for a mythological dude to wear robes. The other dude has a fucking yellow armor, since when do norse gods wear yellow armor? That doesn't even remind one of Odin at all, they took a very dumb-looking sentai warrior and added a crow to pretend it's Odin.

>>381237340
The designs in Persona 1 were wild. I don't know why Vishnu looks like some kind of demon vampire. I think I prefer left for general use, but right was cool.
>>381237835
Would I prefer a cool, mythologically accurate depiction of Odin over that? Maybe. But purple man Odin is simply too lacking of a design to use as a major antagonist.

>>381237551
Where is perfume bottle?

>>381238030
Only because the artstyle of Odin might clash with the rest. If you took purple Odin as-is but made it less "2d/drawing" (?) like the others then it would fit just fine. Yellow Odin suspends my disbelief and makes me go "wtf?" whenever he appears so it's much worse.

>>381237835

I don't get it either. I actually like how understate the left Odin is, but he could definitely be improved upon to make him more imposing.

But left Odin just looks like a cross between capeshit and sentai. It's fucking terrible.

>>381239342

How understated the right Odin is*

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>>381238030
>>381238832
Well SMT1 Odin always gets posted so it may color your perception somewhat, but the design was redrawn for Devil Summoner and so IV Odin looked like this, which I think looks a bit cleaner.

Would still probably need to be redrawn by Doi to match the other Divine Powers in terms of art style, though.

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Rank them

>>381240628
Best to worst

1-2-4-3

>>381240628
SMT and P1 Susano-o are great
P4 is awful and P5 is okay but yusukes starting persona looked better

>>381234207
Right is best. Understated which makes him even more badass. New designs are getting worse and I like new Pokémon.

>>381240628
2>=1>4>3

>>381235812
Final is just >what were they thinkgen tier
Like they were bored waiting for a new console to develop a new mainline on so they just threw shit on the wall. It's probably the only Atlus game I regret getting at full price.

>>381241730
To be fair I like a lot of things about it. Improvements in gameplay and dungeons over IV, just as good soundtrack, some great demon designs here and there, Divine Powers, fusion affinities, etc. (on the other hand triple Hordes are fucking trash)

Story is kind of whatever. The Flynn twist is cool and the YHVH fight is great, but I don't enjoy the party much outside of the Power dissing Asahi's makeup moment

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>>381240628

>>381237835
Apocalypse didn't give a shit about mythology. The entire plot was about humans removing the gods and demons from mythology to advocate the more humanist waifu worshiping.

>>381241313
>>381241730
Doi is a huge step up from the guest designs in IV. Even the demons that didn't come out right, there is concept art to show he knew what he was doing but had to change shit to fit the scenario.

His redrawn Medusa, Lucifer, and Merkabah are improvements on IV. Sukuna-Hikona, Adramelech, Mephisto, and Chironnup all fit right into the roster.

Dagda, Danu, Maitreya, Mermaid, Inanna, and Shesha had good concept art, at least, even if the designs that made it into the game aren't ideal. The rest are fine, though I get why people don't like Odin.

>>381234121
The one with three sets of tits.

>>381242616
People like Odin because he had a great VA who delivered the lines perfectly. Actually, all of the English VAs for the Divine Powers and Dagda were on point.

Inanna's final design was chosen so that Yamai can rationalize making a loli say lewd lines without getting in trouble.

>>381242284
encountering a horder of metarons triggered me flavourwise so much

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>>381242823
>Inanna's final design was chosen so that Yamai can rationalize making a loli say lewd lines without getting in trouble.

A lot of demons suffered from having to be designed to fit the plot because the writers didn't care about the mythology. For example, Dagda. His final design is good for what it's supposed to be, but it's nothing like The Dagda.

>>381237340
Devil Summoner by far

>>381237551
You barely get a glimpse of the rest of his body, shame

>>381242838
Just like II

>>381242838
The first time you encounter a horde of Metatrons is a story fight, it's to show off the kind of things that YHVH can do within his own domain. It's unfortunate that Metatron gets shafted so often, though. At least Nocturne and DeSu gave him proper respect.

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>>381242616
It's pretty funny that Maitreya is fatten up to balance with Krishna and Odin

>>381242838
remember when metatron was some kind of superboss?
Apocalypse made all other protagonists look so fucking weak

>>381242996
>IT'S NOT A PHASE MOM
fit the scenario pretty well, gotta admit

>>381243161
>remember when metatron was some kind of superboss?
Yeah, twice. But in SMT2 he was an average demon.

>>381243039
>just like II
yeh I thought we were past that in modern MegaTen

>>381243161
the creator of that universe probably just wanted to be a god who didn't want to get punched in the face

>>381237302
They were completely separate beings in SMT II and were even enemies that wanted to kill each other.

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Why is this allowed?

>>381234207
New Odin design is stylish as fuck.

>>381235812
there are two beasts in the revelation retard

>>381243391
Yes. And their incarnations in the IV universe are different. What's to be explained? Why the writers did this? Because they wanted to totally shit on Law and Chaos as ideas and also wanted to put Satan in the game because Apocalypse basically picks up all the plot elements from the first II games that IV left behind.

>>381234121
>ugly looking whore
>faithful redesign, even remembers Satan was a cherub angel back in the good ol days
IVA Satan is based Satan

>>381242996
This Dagda would be more fitting as a demon to recruit in other SMT games

>>381243527
Shesha is a 3D boss, and left and right have too many heads to model and animate on a budget. Middle is too similar to the final form of YHVH.

So why/how did Maitreya visit 5.67 billion worlds? Do they mean worlds like how you have an infinite amount of vortex worlds ?

>>381243527
>Solgaleo
kek'd
It was pretty disappointing, gotta admit.
>wait, THAT's Shesha?

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>>381243527
The 3DS's shitty hardware. Seriously both IV looks so fucking uncanny. It's like they are designed to be played in at least 480p

On the other hand I wish we could have had Mer-maid instead. Though the final Mermaid is decent

>>381234207
I prefer Apocalypse Odin, but Purple Odin's new model in P5 is quite good.

>>381243916
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Trichiliocosm

>>381234121
>46 hours in ms paint

>>381234121
I assume this is that SMT thing that I've never played, but right is less retarded.
Left looks like a ripoff of a Giger ripoff.

>>381237340
Sith Vishnu is kino

>>381243945
Don't they have to draw at 480p to get the 3D effect?

>>381244015
This but also in lore Maitreya is said to arrive 5.67 billion years after the death of Gautama. So I suppose the 5.67 billion worlds thing is to explain why Maitreya has shown up even though it hasn't been 5.67 billion years after Gautama's death?

>>381243668
the 3d bosses reminded me of EO too much.
I really would have preferred some high quality sprites over this cheap looking shit. Same with yhvh.

>>381243916
It's supposed to be a reference to his original myth, when Maitreya's supposed to reappear 5.67 billion years when Bhuddism is on the decline. Apocalypse changed it to worlds because the writers are full blown retards.

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What's the deal with the "masks" in the final designs of Danu and Inanna?

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>>381237551
nothing

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>tfw most of my favorite demons are still the same
Feels good man

>>381243668
Shesha really didn't need to be in 3D, the animations just look weird and lousy as well

It also could have been cooler to have Ed Bighead be the only 3D boss

>>381244518
Does anyone know what Yaldabaoth's deal was in this game?

>>381244572
>the animations just look weird and lousy as well
And really fucking slow, the rest of the game's combat is so fast paced that waiting for Shesha to fucking do something was almost agonizing.

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>>381244483
To emphasize she's a forgotten god whose role is taken by Danu.

>>381243945
I'm fine with Mermaid as is. I think the design they used and that concept art are both pretty good. A lot of the designs do suffer from being on the 3DS though, the environments in particular seem like they were really held back by the 3DS.

>>381234848
ever heard of newhalf?

>>381243351
should that not be the gold standard we hold all creators to?

>>381244518
Is this from NINE?

>>381244806
Still think Danu would look better with a more cohesive face.

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>>381244483
YHVH imprisoned them in "bodies"
it's supposed to reflect that

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>tfw Megami Tensei replaces a classic design with a shittier one.
>Meanwhile tons of dated uggos get to stay.

>>381244995
It's not like every god is wearing a mask.

>>381245037
Redesigns are decided mostly by plot relevance, so the dated uggos that will never get a chance to be important will never be redesigned.

>>381244483
>>381244806
bird inanna would have been better desu

>>381244693
His theme is also slow as fuck compared to the other battle themes. Works pretty well for the first fight though when you are basically just trying to stay alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVJcMzAXTW4

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>>381245480
She's still a bird.

>>381234207
>im scared of boobies

>>381244995
Doubt since Inanna was more angry at Danu for stealing her power for selfish reasons than YHVH. None of her dialogue indicates she cares about chrome dome.

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>>381245142
It's pretty funny because I thought about this when playing P5. The further into the game you get the more modern the demon designs become.

Some poor low level demons have been rocking the same designs for decades.

>>381245684
just the right amount of fets

>>381245684
She's a fertility god, right?

>>381245849
Yes. But she isn't a mother goddess, even. Ninhursag would be the Sumerian mother goddess.

>>381245849
She's a fertility god in the sense of thottery. Inanna isn't meant to be pregnant

>>381245757
Berith is fine, though.

Isn't it weird for the commander of the "Demons for Demons" side to be the only story demon that is indistinguishable from human? He's literally just a hot floating brown boy

>>381246060
They should've stuck with the non pregnant design but instead decided to cater to the sick fucks with pregnancy fetish.

>>381245757
that horse is tiny

>>381246157
Seeing as how he's supposed to be a duke of hell I always found his design too vanilla.

>>381246394
4 him
freaking manlets

>>381246281
Inanna's role in the game was to pump out hordes of demons and birth a new universe for the Divine Powers. She was literally written as a baby factory by the person who made the plot. There's nothing Doi could've done.

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>>381246516
Yeah, it is rather lacking in character when compared to the design it's based off of.

>>381246249
It's actually accurate to the myths though. He's pretty much just a wise and popular king with lots of famous friends

>>381246680
Yeah well the person you choose to be your goddess on massacre route is also supposed to be nothing but a baby maker but they don't become pregnant.

>>381246942
It would be more accurate for him to be black or blue, but yeah, Krishna is pretty human looking regardless of what you do.

>>381246915
honestly i prefer his smt look. What kinda shrek shit is that

>>381237835
I'd honestly prefer more stylistic interpretations. Otherwise you basically get "guy with caps and an eyepatch." More accurate? Sure, but it's a hell of a lot less visually impressive, and doesn't convey that this guy is a god.

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>>381247173
It's from the Dictionnaire Infernal, which is the inspiration for basically every Goetia demon's design. And yeah, I like the SMT versions better. My only problem is that instead of Kaneko trying to render a regal looking Berith in his own style he just gave up and made him a knight.

>>381247115
The Massacre Route ends right before the player can see Nanashi rule over the new universe and impregnate his new goddess. Besides, Massacre was never intended to be a good route because Nanashi betrayed humanity and his friends to become gods, even though they deserved it for being weaklings.

>>381247312
This, stylistic interpretations that pay homage to the original myths are the way to go.

>>381247312
I think the issue is that you can one hundred percent do a better design than that with the same concept, it's just not happening most of the time.

I think the reason why a lot of the older demons look two simple is twofold.
Most of them were designed pixel first. They were designed to be legible even at small sizes. Then you have literally one dude doing almost all of the designs.

>>381245757
It kinda sucks how many demons are basically "guy on weird colored horse"

>revive Navarre
>still a ghost
God dammit Dagda

>>381247728
As Kaneko moved away from pixel art and also discovered the magic of digital art, his designs got more interesting.

>>381246942
>It's actually accurate to the myths though.

Trying to pull that shit off with Megami Tensei stopped working a long time ago.

Modern MT designs are so fucking out there that accurate depictions often look jarring next to them. If you're gonna go heavy stylized then commit to that.

>>381247572
But it is the good route, its just the shitty writing that makes Dagda look like a bad guy even though his route benefits mankind in the long run while Bondsfag route will just end up biting you in the ass in the future like what happened to Aleph after SMT II.

>>381247792
>>381245757
>>381246915
Rare "Baal Berith" design from Giten Megami Tensei, no idea who drew it

>>381234121
The stupid-looking spiky thing is my favorite. That other stupid-looking spiky thing is lame.

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>>381234121
Sinbad or Dante MC Persona when?

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>>381247937
fuck

>>381247854
>Modern MT designs are so fucking out there that accurate depictions often look jarring next to them
Really? I wouldn't go that far, they're almost all rooted in actual myth or popular depiction, despite any stylization or modernization.

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>>381247854
Krishna does get stylized in that he gets modern clothes instead of Indian traditional ones.

It's pretty fitting overall. He's a manipulative leader, his skills are the least offensive and most supportive of the big 3. Also his ascended form is as stylized as you can get

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>>381247851
Which is logical.

His art also probably improved over time. Compare SMT 1 concepts to this

>>381247792
That's mostly because old games just had them as slight recolors of one another with a different feature thrown here and there. I remember someone posted some old interview showing how they translated the artwork to pixels. It's also why a lot of old demons were just differently colored humans because if shit got too busy it would come out as incomprehensible in the game.

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>>381248307
where can I find more Kaneko art like this?

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>>381248307
>>381247851
>Kaneko: I think you could pull it off, make your eyes all sparkly. Man, I want to make my eyes sparkle. (laughs) Don’t you? You know, I use a Mac for my artwork, and sometimes I take pictures of myself and mess around with them, making the eyes sparkle, silly stuff. It’s fun though!
>Kobayashi: I have no clue how to use a Mac to draw…
>Kaneko: It feels less like drawing, more like “constructing” an image.
>Kobayashi: Do you draw on it directly?
>Kaneko: I draw on the Mac with a tablet, yeah. I take something I’ve colored on paper, scan it in, and then add lighting effects and other touches to finish it. You can get some really mysterious stuff from it. You do it all by hand though.
>Kobayashi: It sounds like this is one of your personal techniques?
>Kaneko: It is. It’s part of my identity as a designer. When I started drawing this way, I felt like I had finally reach a point of self-confidence in my work. Until then, I’d been self-taught, so I always felt like I didn’t have a right to express myself… it was a major complex.

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>>381249383

>>381249303
I don't know, you'd have to dig around, that's a cover from something. He's got a series of art books for his SMT stuff, which is up to Devil Summoner right now.

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Adramelech was great, glad they added him

>>381247898
It was intentional from the start to make Bonds seem like the correct choice. Nips seriously love their group think and nakama power.

>>381249782
I almost forgot he kills Nanashi at the start. His voice, attitude and helping in the Shesha fights are seriously charming

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>>381249782
>President of the Senate of the demons, Chancellor of Hell, supervisor of Satan's wardrobe

Is he responsible for Lucifer's outfit in IV?

>>381250143
I will never like this incarnation of Lucifer

>>381249782
What is he cooking?

>>381250290
Well it's better than IV. Personally I'd prefer we just stick with Kaneko's, unless Doi really wants to give it an honest go (and not just redraw someone else's trash).

>I had trouble deciding what to do exactly. There were many voices saying it should look cool, but the original model was standing and it was difficult for me to make him look menacing like that. I had a lot of trouble with that so I ended up creating the chair but as a designer I felt defeated...I added the light at the back of the chair and the twelve wings of Lucifer, did anyone notice?

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>>381250908

>>381250908
Any word on his embryo arm? Is there some hidden symbolism?

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>>381251068
HOY

>>381251068
>hidden symbolism
It's a carry over from the IV design, >>381250972

It's literally Walter.>>381251163

>>381251068
That's literally Walter.

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>>381250143
Where the fuck are the wings
Are we just never gonna see 12 wing Lucifer?

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>>381249782
What other Goetia demons have yet to be added to SMT, I know Amon is being added in SJR

>>381251276
The chair famalam

>>381251276
IV Lucifer's wings were in his second form>>381251163 (he has two on his feet but I don't feel like resizing the full body picture to post). He never transforms in Apocalypse, though, probably so Doi didn't have to draw form 2.

Kaneko said that 6 wings in angel form+6 wings in demon form=12, but he wanted to do a true form with twelve wings someday. Unfortunately that will probably never happen now.

>>381251276
>>381251495
Also yes Apocalpyse Lucifer's chair has twelve "wings"

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>>381251163
>>381251180
>>381251194

>tfw I never noticed the fetus is still wearing Walter's blue collar.

>>381251276
>>381251530
>>381251495
>The chair has 12 "wings"
Well I guess that's the complete Lucifer

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>>381251651

>>381251458
Well the SMT wiki has 66 pages in the Goetia category, so we're missing about 6 if that's right. Adramalech isn't actually in the Goetia, though he's in the Dictionaire Infernal and there's a lot of overlap, with later editions of the Lesser Key using art from there.

>>381251663
In IV Lucifer did say that his truest form was to be combined with a son of man.

>>381251458
So we're getting Amon and getting Agirl.

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>>381251651
On the other hand Merkabah literally has no trace of Jonathan. His pose is Gabby's

What's the best SMT game I can play on PC (emulators obviously)

>>381252350
Fuck I dunno mate, try Strange Journey.

>>381252324
Jonathan's voice actor, I guess? If I recall it's worded rather differently though, with Jonathan sacrificing himself to bring forth Merkabah, and Walter fusing with Lucifer to give him a power boost to stand up to Merkabah.

>>381252350
Nocturne. Maybe Strange Journey if you'd prefer first person but I haven't played it so all I can do is say a lot of people seem to like it

>>381252007
It'd be great if the new girl in SJR was just Amon's human form

>>381252350
Can recommend Strange Journey and Nocturne, but Digital Devil Saga was my first and I think it's a good entry point.

>>381252350
Either of these
>>381252479
>>381252552

>>381234121
>not picking the senran satan

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>>381252748
Possible, but her tech is crazy looking. I'm going with "from the future of one of the endings and here to kill Space Marine but you can eventually work together with her to change the future"

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>>381253134
Wild looking COMP, and is that a ray gun?

>>381253040
I fuckin' loved this design.

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>>381253040
>no Minotaur and Dullahan in Apocalypse
>Tenkai is the only National Defense demon that make it

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>>381253278
>can't have Akira's canon team of Minotaur, Mastema, and Aeshma
>Mastema doesn't even have plot relevance
Well what was the fucking point of the reincarnation plot then

>>381253040
I really hope they keep this minotaur design
>>381253278
they should have brought back Koga Saburo

>>381253134
I just hope it's not so boring as just being an ending where you can save everyone and everyone lives happily ever after.

>>381253664
Me too, but it will be.

>>381253658
>I really hope they keep this minotaur design
If they were going to keep it I imagine they would have just kept him in IV, but they cut all of the IV demons that weren't redrawn by Doi.

>>381253664
There is a chance it won't be, I think its still to early to judge,any idea when we're likely to get more info on the game and SMT V?

>>381253278
>dude eats a red pill
>turns into a female demon
>get boner

>>381253903
Atlus is lazy enough that the SMT V demon roster is gonna be the P5 roster plus like an additional 50 or so demons, though I hope they don't jew out and make a good large roster like in IV:A

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>>381253204
>there are people haven't sussed it that she's lucifer, look at the coat tail things

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>>381253903
kept him in IVA*
>>381254057
Yeah, and I highly doubt any of these demons are going to be designs from IV. They're going to be a mix of Kaneko stuff that didn't make it into P5 and Doi designs.
>>381254243
Then what happens to this one?

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>>381253658
There's even a sidequest chain about the National Defense demons, yet only Tenkai is fusable. Neutral Flynn should have get a team of them

>>381254317
Double-Lucifer Gambit

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>>381254317
>Then what happens to this one?

they're both lucy

>>381253942
I think it's possible it will be at TGS, but who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't show it at all this year considering it was only revealed in February and it was in the very early stages of development then, as I recall.

>>381254317
it is then revealed that alex is the lucifer from the newer games, louisa is the one from every game before IV.

>>381250972
I unironically like this Lucifer.

It's unorthodox and disturbing.

>>381254243
Given her arm comp and high tech bullshit she's probably Steven's minion seeing how he got a major role in IVA.

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>>381234121
>ending up with that design from this

>>381255197
That's even closer to Mother Harlot's beast. SMT did not need a rendition of Satan as The Beast of Revelation, I'm sorry Doi.

YHVH's 2nd phase looked really good too

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>>381255318
What about the one where he goes full Soejima?

>>381255318
It's not that close at all though

>>381255472
Doi was really pushing to have a human torso coming out of a snake, wasn't he? Satan, Shesha, and YHVH it made it in.

>>381240628
1>4>2>3

>>381255472
proto amon

>>381255606
I suppose it's rendered differently, but it's obviously a take on the same concept.

fuse them

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>>381255657
I mean, concept Satan and Shesha. And YHVH made it in.>>381243527

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>>381255657
To be fair initially YHVH was the Ten Commandments

>>381255969
This thing seems threatening as fuck on paper but if I ever saw it walking I'd probably laugh my ass off.

>>381258154
Probably not, if it looked realistic, considering it has big demon heads

>>381237480
>I AM THE DEVI

>>381258575
I mean, how the fuck would it even move? Just float? I mean, I guess YHVH was doing that to begin with, but still.

Hope I don't jinx it but I'm surprised how civil SMT threads are, based on what I see in here anyway.

>>381260836
Well nobody has mentioned waifus or alignments and barely any Persona

>>381260836
It really depends. MegaTen is a weird ass franchise that has a lot of different types of games, so it brings in a lot of different people.