With companies drawing the shortest path possible to people's

How was Deus Ex ahead of its time exactly? It was great but it didn't really revolutionize anything.

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Paul I... I...

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I beat this game again earlier this year and it's so damn good. The atmosphere is 10/10.

>that eerie feeling of night that never ends
>those gusts of wind shaking trees
>that music
>that 90s cyberpunk feeling

I wish there was more media like this. I know there are plenty of cyberpunk stuff out there, but nothing like the og Deus Ex. The closest thing to DX experience was this movie called Strange Days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yaXPx6xWEQ

>>381193881
It wasn't ahead of its time. It's one of my favourites and a great game but it's highly overrated

probably not

>>381193881
Multiple ways to solve problems were generally not a thing at the time.

>>381194835
It's still generally not a thing.

>>381193532
The new Prey.

It's way better that the original Deus Ex and System Shock games.

Also, Far Cry 4 was just amazing. Ubisoft ALWAYS deliver good and unique games.

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So what's the official "high school canon" of video games?
What're the games that, if video games are ever an actual artform, every half-decent critic will have played?

I'm thinking Deus Ex, Mario 64, and Ocarina of Time for sure

>>381196441
X-COM, MGS, System Shock.

I've been playing this just recently. The game has a really strong mid-part but in my opinion things turn sour at least in Area 51. Even Vandenberg feels a bit like a chore. What a shame.

>>381196332
Nice bait
Farcry 4 was complete fucking shit

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>all these beloved PC RPGs like Deus Ex, VtMB, Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment
>wish I could be a real PC master race and play them
>can never get over the shitty gameplay

please help
the last time i tried to play deus ex i gave up on stealth within five minutes and just gunned everybody down

i don't want to be this 50/50 halfbreed who uses my PC to play 7th generation console games

>>381197174
>stealth
you're playing it wrong.

Any gmdx shills around? Wanted to do a modded playthrough, 9.0 when?

>>381197019
t. person who didn't bro out with Pagan

>>381193881
The levels were much bigger and more open than most level design at the time, which were generally just a series of corridors that were quite linear. Far Cry 1 was revolutionary at the time for this same reason as well, even if it seems a bit quaint now.

A big focus on story and voice-acting. A lot of FPSes at the time were pretty mindless. Doom was good, but it didn't really require you to think too much. Many popular shooters at the time followed that general formula eg Blood, Duke Nukem, Quake, RotT, Shadow Warrior etc, even System Shock 2 had some really corridor-y level design.

There was also many ways to solve problems and the developers had the foresight if the player did certain things. For instance, you are generally supposed to kill Anna Navarre either in the subway or shortly after when you get captured, and Lebedev is either supposed to be killed by you or her. However, you can kill Navarre on Lebedev's jet and save him, and if you do, Lebedev has new dialogue that essentially spoils a lot of the late game twists. Even with fighting Navarre herself, you can either fight her conventionally or use her killphrase.

The way that different builds would experience the game in different ways was also a big factor. Levels would be easier or harder depending on build, and not only did this give the game more depth, it also added replayability.

These things seem almost standard (at least among good games) these days, but at the time were pretty much unheard of.

>Maxing out pistols and murdeeing any thing and everything with ezpz headshots from across the map stealthily
>Chinese sword that kills pretty much everything in one hit
>Shocking troops by shoving the prod up their ass
10/10 game

>>381197409
nvm found it, july 1st

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Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to Liberty Island tomorrow.

>>381197409
Ask for a beta via email, it werks fine.

>>381197682
>new dialogue that essentially spoils a lot of the late game twists
Also game spoils itself three times before that: the very first dialogue with Jock in the bar, intro cutscene and even the training map.

>>381194676
>It's one of my favourites and a great game but it's highly overrated
I think I could shit on it for hours yet still it's in my top five.

>>381193532
If deus ex was far ahead of its time, should it not have been a cinematic corridor with microtransactions?
>>381193881
>it didn't really revolutionize anything
Yes it did.

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I replayed this game and I had completely forgotten it had scuba divers as enemies, but only on one level. Also:

>ocean lab level
>decide to go for a swim to scout the area for the heck of it
>swim for a while
>realize I'm in dark bottom of the ocean
>pitch black water, only light source is the ocean lab
>realize I'm surrounded by god knows what secret gubament aquatic mutants
>nope nope nope
>quickload back inside the lab

>>381199003
nothign of that is spoilers, it is forshadowing.
you get told hundreds of other things equally believable, yet not true.

>>381194835
But that's what WRPGs have always been largely about, Deus Ex just did it in more detail. I think that Deus Ex was just one of the final games of that style of 90s western rpg development where the autismal amount of immersion and detail were the important thing in games. It died once PC exclusives started to die.

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Deus Ex predicted the MEME WAR.

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>>381193532
A game that lived up to Deus Ex would be rad but developers barely have the competence to achieve things that are only half as ambitious.

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>>381193532
>>381194676

Deus Ex was not ahead of it's time. In fact it borrowed from most FPS and RPGs before it.

What it was was fucking AMBITIOUS. It's a miracle this game didn't fail, seeing as how many mechanics and branching paths there were. Not only that, but a story as red-pilled as Deus Ex will never be made again. The game pulled absolutely zero punches when it came to conspiracy theories and predicting the rise of globalism as a threat to humanity.

It's the greatest game of all time because no other game was as equally ambitious as it was successful in almost every aspect of it's design.

IMPORTANT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUNx319UCM

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After finishing my annual DX playthrough I decided to check out Thief for the first time. It's alright, it's like a sneaky System Shock 2, but it's not good as Deus Ex or System Shock. The levels are really confusing and the map is fucking useless, but the stealth system is pretty impressive.
The controls are kinda "wobbly", just like in System Shock 2.

Is Thief 2 better? I still haven't finished the first game, I'm about 10 hours in, but I'm planning to finish it before trying out the other Thief games.

Remake with added UNATCO route when?
I want to shoot down Illuminati pussies with my man, Gunther

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[unconscious]

>>381200015

Thief 2 is so much better than Thief 1 that many would say just skip to Thief 2.

But the levels are supposed to be huge and confusing, that's the fucking point, it doesn't hold your hand through corridors, use your intuition and sense of navigation.

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>>381200006

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>>381200006
I remember trying and failing hard to vocaroo that. I'm impressed.

>>381197019
Not him but FC4 was a legitimately good game and people who shit on it are fags who generally shit on Ubisoft and didn't bother to actually take a deeper look into this game.

Post BAD things about DX:
- Swimming skill is absolutely useless.
- Half of augs are useless.
- Tranquilizer darts are shit.
- It's not hard enough.
- Voice acting can be atrocious.
- Some levels like catacombs are pretty fucking boring.

>>381193532
Well you have Dishonored which is a fairly recent game

>>381200415
>stealth is kinda meh
>sound effects are lacking in variety
>can't side with UNATCO and become evil government man, and other obvious cut content
>dumb AI
>JC becomes ridiculously overpowered towards end of the game

>>381200415
The games becomes mediocre at Vandenburg.

>>381200015
I actually kinda like the confusing levels, Thief is a game you can actually get lost in and it serves the atmosphere because you're adventuring in places where you're not supposed to be. You have to be constantly aware of your surroundings, even when 1000 zombies are chasing you. The vague map system supports this too.

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>mfw using the EMP drone for the firs time

It's pretty fucking badass augmentation, but fully upgraded it kinda breaks the game. If there's a aug charging station near you can just blast all the robots of the level in one sitting. You don't even need to bother collecting those precious EMP grenades anymore because they're fucking useless if you have the EMP drone.

Also, where does the EMP drone come from? I imagine JC is holding it between his butt cheeks.

>>381200415
That bug at the start were you can untrain the pistol skill to get more points. Bugs in general really.

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>>381200415

>One death animation
>practically one death sound effect for each NPC
>Hong Kong isn't as explorable and open as it should have been, the section of the game should have been longer too.
>Speed aug trivializes almost everything end game.
>Entire mansion level is practically pointless, despite having the best music.

>>381200415
The very first mission does not sense.
Jock does not get killled until the last level for some reason.

>>381201191
>does not make sense

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>tfw you can never wear cyberpunk leather trenchcoat like JC without looking weird and awkward

I'm tall and skinny, but I could never pull off the "cyberpunk hacker" look.

>>381197174
>tfw I can still get into super clunky old pc games like Ultima Underworld and completely enjoy them

I actually think that western game development lost a lot of its charm when they started to remove the clunk by sacrificing a lot of detail. I like Japanese games too for their smooth gameplay but they never seem to have the simulator-like aspects that the best western games have. The "we create worlds" mindset just isn't a thing anymore.

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>>381201306

>>381201306
You can still get a parka. I did and I don't look like an autist for the most part.

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>>381201306
>you will never be as cool as JC Denton

>>381201098
I remeber somehow sequence breaking the hong kong part on my first playthrough and getting the laser katana before I was supposed to or something. It resulted in some weird dialogue. It's surprising because generally the game anticipates the stuff that the player can pull off pretty well.

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pic related is a better game and IP

>>381201782
This is literally Fallout 4 tier of "alternative solutions"

>>381201994
Yeah no. It's a good game but it's not on this level.

VTMB from the Hollywood sewers onwards drops the ball.

>>381201874
I dunno, anon. I delibirately broke the sequence there and game acknowledged that.

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>>381202060
How about this one?

>>381202186
I've done this myself on a replay. It's pretty great.

>>381202186
Jesus Christ, JC.

>>381202186
Fallout 4 also has mines.

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>>381202396
And this one?

>>381202609
>Me whenever I try to throw a LAM

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>>381193532
>will there ever be a game so far ahead of its time as Deus Ex?
yes.

>>381202609
Uhh what am I looking at here? What happened?

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>>381202747
Goodluck waiting 60 years for the game to come out

>>381193532
>>381193881
Considering it prophesized some future events it was ahead of its time in at least one salient way.

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>>381202784
He tried throwing a LAM and it landed within the cherrypicker platform

Essentially he killed himself

>>381202747
If 2077 continues along the way of Witcher 3, I don't think that it will be similar to Deus Ex. The design of W3 was very modern and there were very little simulation like aspects to the game. The only choices you do in the game are done in dialogue. I like the game but it's not very close to an old school wrpg.

>>381203052
Looks like a bug. Fallout 4 also has those, it's very typical for Bethesda really.

>>381203087
I'm cautiously optimistic for CP2077 because of the fact that the creator of the CP2020 tabletop game (mike pondsmith) is working closely with CDPR and he is flying often to poland for design meetings and whatnot.

Compared to the Witcher books author who just took the money from CDPR and then fucked off.

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>>381203149
This is obviously the only thing that's going to impress you today

>>381202609
>Aaaa!

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>"did you ever ask what it's for the surveillance? the police?, the shoot on sight laws? is that freedom"
>mfw googling the FEMA executive orders they talk about in conversations and finding out they were real
I was just a babby all those redpills could have killed me

>>381202609
Howard Strong dies like such a chump they should make a prequel where he is a very important character to underline what a chump he is.

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>>381203542
Haha wait WHAT
They're REAL!?

>>381193881

Are you on dope? It was made in 2000.

All of its dialogue was spoken. Graphically, a lot of PCs couldn't handle its graphical needs.

As a shooter, it urged you to be sensible with how you use your ammo and avoid enemies if at all possible instead of ducking, weaving, dodging and blasting them as in other games, such as Unreal 1998.

>>381203335
Well it just looks like that garbage Fallout 4 is about as good of an RPG shooter as Deus Ex was.

>>381203661
>Graphically, a lot of PCs couldn't handle its graphical needs.

Yeah um that's not correct. The game uses the Unreal engine and Unreal in 1999 with levels just as large not only looked better but also ran better.

This comes from someone who played Unreal when it came out in 1999 with a very powerful computer and then used the same computer with Deus Ex but it struggled (particularly with load times in Deus Ex)

>>381203289
I hope that it will be good and I don't honestly expect CDPR to make a return to the 90s style, the company is just too big nowadays for that, but I hope that they refine the gameplay aspects from W3. Pondsmith's presence might or might not be a good thing, I have a feeling he doesn't always really know what he's doing considering his new cyberpunk pnp apparently sucked.

>>381203809
I should say 1998 before someone goes ballistic

I can't bring myself to keep playing. I'm not at all fond of stealth games, and can't patience my way through a level. I also don't think JC should be killing all these guys at the part I left off, so I'm at an impasse.

Which is a shame, because the game is bloody fantastic.

The next big legitimate game changer and not just a meme like motion controls or VR is machine learning.

The A.I. revolution is what Warren Spector yearned for with the release of Deus Ex and it will be the next step on the industry's evolution.

Sadly, we're still a long way away from an intelligent world that responds to all player action.

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>>381203628
https://youtu.be/C8kZ3HfeqtA
google them

you could easily write another story like deus ex's, you just have to loosely base it on Soros / Clinton corruption, the mainstream media brainwashing and such

it's in the same vein as metal gear

>>381201098
Funnily enough, they did add several different screams for each NPC type when using the flamethrower

>>381200415
One rank in swimming is useful. And aim tranqs for the head, headshot damage is enough to set all normal enemies into run mode, rather than panicking around and setting off alarms.

>>381204094

They took established conspiracy theories (as tinfoils imagine them, not as they are in reality) and made it into a fiction of its own.

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>>381204008
Oh Jesus!

You're right!

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>>381203696
Yeah ok

>>381204147
But then they made the flamethrower worthless.

>>381204460
Does tumblr allow webms now?

>>381202609
ALLAHU AKBAR

>>381204521
>They made the best weapon in the game worthless

It instantly sentences anything that isn't an MJ12 commando or robot to death effectively with about 3 rounds of ammunition.

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>>381203542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30

>>381203850
>I have a feeling he doesn't always really know what he's doing considering his new cyberpunk pnp apparently sucked.

Yeah, although I'd like to believe he has some kind of clear plan for a video game adaptation of his IP, even prior to the CDPR project since he has looked for a suitable developer for a long time to make a game in his universe.

But like always, we'll see soon enough.

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>>381204528

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>>381203542
REFRAIN FROM LOOKING INTO THE ABYSS

>>381202080
It's so hard for me to agree with you because it really is my favorite RPG of all time. It does have a lot of good levels but not nearly as many as DX.

It really is a shame we haven't had a finished game set in the WoD It's an absolutely amazing setting.

>>381204669
One pistol round does exactly the same, faster, for much less space, at far greater range, and using a skill that is far more versatile. Setting people on fire is fun but the weapon itself is inventory-clogging garbage that is only good when used against the player.

>>381204008
>Kaczyński
Nie wierzę tutaj też?

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>>381199650
>game has memes
dropped.
The whole intro is the "appointment to FEMA" meme too, and JC Denton reference "a bomb" during one segment. I couldn't stand it.

>>381196441
Silent hill 2

>self employment dropping and consolidation
check
>business conspiring to make europe monoculture
check
>terrorism being used by the military industrial complex as an excuse to curb civil liberty
check
>gun control being forced
check
>numbers of homelessness rising despite economic prosperity
check
I could go on, it's an amazing game

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I liked the Morpheus conversation, that was whack yo.

Obligatory
https://youtu.be/rxOKEsBx4NU

>>381206339
The prequels' decisions to dial back this aspect of things (along with lesser game design) is really egregious - it hardly feels like Deus Ex at all. Worse yet they focus all their story aspect on human augmentation, I wish they could get better writers at least.

>>381194546
I thought you were a GEP Gun

>>381206339
>>/pol
nothing is happening dude it's all coincidence

>>381207512
Illuminati pls go

>>381194547
Strange Days is quite good until the weird social justice ending.

>>381207172
Well that's what happens if you hire SJW writers who want to carry a political message that you shouldn't be bad toward gays and transpeople.

>>381200015

I played the 3 thief games in 2015 for the first time.

Desliked the first one.
Loved and was mind blown by the second
Enjoyed the third one even though it was a gigantic step back (kinda what Invisible War did to Deus Ex, but no that bad)

>>381202747
They are trying to make a RPG, so the player character will probably be a mute person without personality. I hope to be wrong.

>>381207670
If it were about gays and trannies that would at least be a little "edgy", but it seems more trite than that. Just regular, playing it safe "dont be racist" at least in MD.

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>>381200415
The endings are a bit lame.

>>381193881
>I'm a console mongoloid who hotglues his animu figurines

>>381208029
>putting undesirable trans people on a separate island and brand them as terrorists
Sounds edgy to me

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>>381196441
Deus Ex, Thief, BG2, Blood, UT 2004, Mario 64, Majora's Mask, Chrono Trigger, Ninja Gaiden Black

>>381209518
Honestly, my experience was similar at first. Then I realized what the game wanted from me: Not play stealthily. Then I played all the way to Hong Kong or one level further before something else caught my attention. I didn't go back to the game after that.

>>381209639
The analogy with trannies doesn't work since trannies don't have any superpowers that can kill you. You can't really "disarm" augmented people, that's the problem with them. They are hard to manage. Segregating them from the normal population makes sense.

>>381202747
Everytime I see this picture I squirm like a girl. This game has the potential to be so fucking good. And so fucking bad.

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>>381193532
>will there ever be a game so far ahead of its time as Deus Ex?
Seeing how things are going in "machine learning" (aka "don't call it AI, you guys!"), the next "game so far ahead of its time as Deus Ex" will be an AI waifu that passes the Turing test most of the time.

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I miss "hardcore" games in general, no arrows pointing to everything and things have to be figured out through the game without the UI holding your hand and telling you exactly what to do.

>>381200015
>Is Thief 2 better?

Yes, genuinely. It's one of the only things in the world where the sequel is just flat out better

>>381193881
watch the Ross scott review of DX and you will understand.

>>381203927
I did half and half. Stealth until confronted with Paul's body in the morgue and then full murder rampage.

>>381207172
"Deus Ex proper" is far too woke to fly with today's big-money publishers.
The early 00s were probably the last chance for games like that to be made on a budget that could realise them, before (((they))) realised there was a narrative outlet here that needed plugging and mainstreaming.
What a shame, as that one guy said.

>>381211243
>he did not save Paul
haha

>>381211621
>implying you don't find his dead body in the morgue anyway

>>381211770
You literally don't.

>>381211621
>saving Paul
>not standing on the sidelines as you give him the morale boost he needs to hunt down every single UNATCO troop with his combat knife

>>381211959
Paul's a fucking terminator.

>>381211817
>kill everyone and autistically escort that sunuvabitch out the 'ton
>still don't get him alive
clearly I'm doing something wrong

>>381193532
We Deus Ex now, minus augs

>>381212345
Did you exit out of the window?

>>381193532
Deus Ex was already part of that path though.
It's got less going on than Sentient, a PC/PSX game from 1997.

Really the only thing it does better is voices but we all know how focussing on voices instead of content works out.

>>381212398
nah out the front door. but I'm reading some stuff about him disappearing after the firefight if you lose sight of him, which might be the issue

welp time to find this game and start over

>>381200393
>poor face symmetry
>his face texture is literally mirrored

Wat

>>381193532

MGS2.

It took years for people to actually accept meta games, and Bioshock just shoved dumb philosiphical snippets at you instead of turning everything from the gameplay to the scenario into a device for a meta narrative.

Bioshock was 2deep4u while MGS2 was actually balls-to-the-wall DEEP

>>381212716
Exact symmetry is also perceptibly ugly.

>>381197682
Dude, Deus Ex came out in 2000. There were tons of story-driven games with voice-acted dialogue before that. Fucking Tomb Raider had 3 instalments before DX came out. (though they were linear, I'll give you that).
DX wasn't ahead of its time in level design and player agency either. That would mean that games improved in those aspects after DX came out, which isn't true at all: only a handful of games do it. The Thief series (which was before DX and largely made by the same people) comes to mind.
The point about different builds is moot; that's just taken from RPGs which go back decades. There was nothing new about this, even in video games.

>These things seem almost standard (at least among good games) these days
List 10 games from the last 10 years that do all of these things.

>>381202186
Every replay.

>>381202609
lmao I 360 noscope this guy before he even has a chance to open his mouth

saddest miniboss ever. but at least realistic

>>381209518
Shit opinions aside:
>primative
I don't know why, but I laughed.
>Theif
What is it with Americans always mixing up ei and ie?

>>381209518
What a tard.

>>381209518
?

did they do away with hacking in HR or something?

>>381213732
Common Core doesn't allow for dictionaries and does allow for 'alternate spellings'

>>381202609
i don't remember this at all. where is this in the game? top of the universal constructor?

What's the best mods for Deus Ex?

>>381213631
>not shooting a GEP rocket down the rocket silo right onto his head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-8KNxdXLBA&t=1h2m19s

>>381214354
Missile silo right before Area 41.

>>381214359
GMDX is amazing.

>predicted globalism destroying human civilization
>predicted jewbankers culturally genociding Europe
>predicted surveillance society
>predicted elite using terrorism to take away freedoms
The worst part is that the real dystopian future is worse than Deus Ex predicted, they forgot the part where the elite import the terrorists so they can justify taking away more freedoms.

>>381215145
another shitty thing is the devs are actually hacks but had enough artistic freedom with the game

>>381214395
mm I was too caught up in exploring maps 100%. seeing this guy superjumping reminded me of how many options you had, I chose stealthy feet instead and never used the flamethrower ever.

>>381196332
To obvious braaaaaaah

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>>381215145
Well of course they predicted it, it was planned long in advance. Deus Ex was actually a subtle insult.

>>381204672
I watch this video at least once a week, it's so perfect

>>381203149
you are a retard