Does Melee have the best fighting roster of all time?

No.

>>381158039
No

No.

>>381158039
anon...
there has been 2 more smash games since then

Yes.

>>381158039
Smash 4 does
but rosterfags will never admit it

>literally surrounded by clones

no

if you wanna talk about practicing tech or gossip about your favorite players, go ahead, but don't start a thread with a question that has a clear, obvious answer

>>381158039
Fuck no

>>381158039
yes

It's physically impossible because it's a party game, NOT a fighting game.

>>381158039
Melee's roster is pretty piss weak, lots of clones

>>381158039
Ice climbers.

Pichu.

Link jr

Dr mario.

I love clones.

>7 characters are clones

>>381158039
SFIII does

>>381158039
Probably KoF 2002 UM.

Smash 4 had a few fucking horrible choices but the roster overall was still better.

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Who cares about the roster I only watch for ecelebs.

PP about to announce his return on tafokints stream in 2 minutes.

>>381158039
>fighting

>>381158039
Project M/Brawl actually
Melee too small
Smash 4 too big
Project M/Brawl just right

It's physically impossible because it's a toy, NOT a video game.

>>381158039
No M.U.G.E.N. does.

>>381158498
ok explain this meme

>>381158039
>While the top tiers are decently balanced, mid to low tiers tend to be irredeemable trash.
>6 clones
>Defensive as fuck characters like Samus and Jiggly who are a pain to fight.
>Roy as a character despite not even having debuted in his own franchise yet (and who ends up being a very unpopular character, who's only beloved for his Smash appearance.)
>Mr. Game & Watch and Yoshi are actually broken mechanically
>Ness and Mewtwo are janky as fuck, with tons of bugs.
>Pichu literally only exists as a joke, has very little that would make him worth using over Pikachu.

Eh.

>>381158425
>PP about to announce his return on tafokints stream in 2 minutes.
where did you hear that?

>>381158039
Probably Guilty Gear
>No clones
>All characters have a different playstyle
>Characters are fun, colorful, and interesting and have great designs
>Characters are balanced, Potemkin is the only "bad" one but it's still very possible to win with him unlike Pichu, Kirby, and Bowser. The top tiers, Zato, Millia, and Chipp, are not too overpowered

>>381158323
Dr. Mario
Ganondorf
Falco
Pichu
Roy
Young Link
Mewtwo

Sakurai was right about clones. They're not a negative. Considering the development time it takes to make them, it wasn't the choice between clones and a unique character, it was the choice between clones and nothing. If you prefer nothing you're an idiot, but I guess that's why Sakurai hates the Smash fanbase.

>>381158461
This, and I'm counting knuckles and co. dunno about you

>>381158602
>Muh tiny, 30 pixel tall characters
>Muh busted joke characters
>Muh Mexibeams
M.U.G.E.N has a shit cast brah.

>>381158739
>mewtwo
lel

>>381158317
>Ice Climbers
>Clones

what did he mean by this?

>>381158039
>puff
>pichu
>two literal who anime characters
>that kid no one played from 64
>two kids with hammers
>a shadow
>two links
>three marios

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>>381158039
How can it be the best when Smash 4 is just it, plus several more?

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>>381158819

>>381158739
>Dr. Mario
This one is bad, should be an alt
>Ganondorf
>Falco
>Pichu
>Roy
Those ones are okay, have enough differences. OK maybe not Roy but I like him in 4 and PM.
>Mewtwo
Not even a clone of Lucario if that's what you're implying

>>381159049
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>381158039
No, MvC2 does.

I'm a huge Meleefag though and I think has a very very solid top 12.

no, and only like 5 of its characters are tourney viable

>>381158976
More does not equal better

>>381158602
even if ronald was the only playable character it'd still be the correct answer

>>381159134
quantity is a quality in and of itself

>>381159134
Explain how it does not in smash 4's case

yes, a few of the newcomers are shit

>>381159223
More characters means less balance asshole
Why do you think ArcSys makes games with like 10 characters

>>381158739
>>381158323
>>381159049
I think the original reply was counting Luigi as a clone, plus the six classic clones.
Honestly clones aren't that bad, especially Falco and Ganondorf are very different in high level play, and Doc and Ylink are more viable than their core characters, effectively making them better versions of the originals for high level play.

>>381158039
Absolutely not.

>>381159319
smash is a party game

>>381159309
>yes, a few of the newcomers are shit
A lot of them are

>>381158425
You better not be fucking with me asshole

>>381158039
Personally I still believe (meta notwithstanding) Brawl had the best roster, added plenty of new faces (Sanic, Snake, Dedede/Meta Knight, Ike) while removing blatant clones like Dr. and Pichu.

>>381159345
>Doc and Ylink are more viable than their core characters, effectively making them better versions of the originals for high level play.

This is exactly why clones are shit tho, the majority of them end up as a either worse or better version of the original character, while still effectively having the same play style.

>>381158039
no, there are six pairs of characters who are exactly the same

and mewtwo is bottom tier wtf

>>381159049
Mewtwo is a clone of mew was the joke friendo

>>381158626
How are Yoshi and Game Man broken?

>>381159319
smash has never had a balanced game

>>381158039
Half the roster can't even fight competitively.

>>381159721
Actually, I'll just type out the list of newcomers and you guys try to tell me these weren't some of the most requested/celebrated Smash characters in the fanbase
>Wario
>Pit
>Sonic
>Ike
>Meta Knight
>D3
>Zero Suit
>Snake
>Pokemon Trainer
Plus everything about the Dojo at the time of the reveals was max hype, meanwhile even Megaman failed to get much of a rise out of me in comparison.

>>381159345
Link and YL play entirely differently with different move properties, weight, run speed etc. That's like calling Falco and Fox clones

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Ness will never be viab-

>>381160173
The hitboxes on Yoshi's grab are fucked up thanks to the 3D nature of Smash, and Gay Man Watch can't cover his entire body with his shield, and can't actually L cancel most of his air attacks for no real reason.

>>381160190
64 is pretty damned balanced, even if Pikachu and Kirby are clearly the strongest.

>>381160239
More than half. There are 6 good characters, 2 so-so characters, 2 "you better be good as fuck" characters, and 16 bad characters.
>>381160190
Project M

>>381160386
Oh right.
Thansm

>>381160313
Link and YL share all their animations aside from the taunt, same with Fox and Falco.
That's why they're called, you know, clones.

>>381160239
They can tho, Leffen picked up Mewtwo for a short time and was placing top 8 at majors within weeks.

>>381158039
Nah, I think Smash 4, in its own series, easily eclipses Melee's. Even Brawl had a better roster and that game was shit aside from some of the character choices, some characters themselves (like fucking Snake), some of the stages, and that god-tier OST.

PPMD Kreygasm

>>381160610
>They can tho, Leffen picked up Mewtwo for a short time and was placing top 8 at majors within weeks.
No he wasn't, he ran Mewtwo at Swedish locals for a while which is a scene that only has two top players and one other top 100 player.

>>381158039
>Dr. Mario

What were they thinking? Should have been Wario in the first place.

>>381158039
Absolutely not. Any character below samus in the tier list is fucking garbage that nobody should ever play.

does this thread have the gayest, most retarded, fattest and ugliest degenerate OP of all time? yes

>64
8 characters
1 clone
13% clones

>melee
25 characters
7 clones
28% clones

>brawl
35 characters
5 clones
14% clones

>smash 4
50 characters (7 DLC)
6 clones (2 DLC)
12% clones

no, statistically melee's is the worst

>>381158039
Why do Jigglypuff and Yoshi have their Smash 4 renders in this image? It's really disorienting

>>381160671
never ever

>>381160734
This is a retarded method of evaluation because clones have been entirely different to play in every Smash game (and most fighting games in general).

People who say muh clones are fags

>>381160572
The only things they share are animations, everything else is mechanically/functionally different. If you define that as a clone your definition is shit

Look at Tr4sh, it has a big roster but most of them play the same way with down throw to autocombos

>>381160682
>what is Heir

>>381160727
Bullying is wrong.

>>381158195
>"downgrades/new games are automatically better" mentality

IN THE TRASH YOUR OPINION GOES

>>381160734
The quality of the clones in Smash 4 is much worse though. Fucking Lucina and Dark Pit have like one difference and could have been alts. Tier lists even consider Pit and Dark Pit to be the same character.

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Even if you hate this game, Smash 4's roster is fucking impressive.

>>381160906
the sheer fact that OP exists, and is allowed to continue existing, is fucking wrong. he is the worst scum of the earth and doesn't deserve to draw breath.

>>381158256
the clones in melee are way better than the modern day clones like dark shit and lucina
I mean I get what you're saying, clones aren't really that big of a deal when you're comparing rosters overall. but at the same time being able to play as ganondorf or falco even if they're clones was and is cool
all that said they really should have treated doc better in sm4sh

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>>381161113
Stop it right now.

>>381161076
In terms of gameplay no. Not even talking about the engine, the moveset design of the characters is complete trash.

>>381158976
NO PICHU NIGGA

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>>381161197
what you gonna do about it?

>>381161076
Smash 4 is a wish on a monkey's paw.

Almost every gaming character you could ever want in one game, and the game is garbage. I cry myself to sleep at night thinking of the possibilities of Ryu in Melee's engine.

>>381161076
>You lived to see a game where Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Ryu, and Cloud were in the same game.
>You will never live to see Snake return to join them all

>>381158039
Anyone who still plays this would have everyone but the top 5 characters cut out and still think it has the best roster.

>>381161321
>Not even talking about the engine, the moveset design of the characters is complete trash.
This Desu
Brawl had more satisfying and more complex gameplans If you weren't fighting MK/IC/D3

>>381160850
See >>381159114

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>>381161076
>tfw fucking love 4
>mfw that roster
It's so fucking good.

>Sonic, Mega Man, Pac Man, and Mario all in one game

>motherfucking Cloud out of nowhere, so all those fanfiction.net fangirls can finally act out Cloud vs. Link in a video game

>motherfucking Ryu

>Bayonetta

>Little Mac

God, I hope they keep all the third-party newcomers and throw in crazier choices, like Dante, Ryu Hayabusa, Rayman, even Master Chief. And I hope we get Ridley and Wonder Red too. Maybe even Travis Touchdown.

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>>381161470
Don't make me do it.

>>381161520
not soccer guy's fault

>>381161197
you know what should stop? OP's life, breathing, continued existence, etc.

if OP died RIGHT now no one would care desu. not even me.
>>381161643
if you're gonna do that do it to OP

>>381161593
>Brawl had more satisfying and more complex gameplans
>Muh chain throws
>Muh tripping

>>381161513
Smash 4 Ryu is really fucking cool, though. One of the most combo-heavy characters in the game.

>>381161002
Who does Smash 4 not have that Melee does? Pichu?

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>>381161643
I'm waiting

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>>381161710
>>381161795

>>381161752
Yes he's the only character in the game i can bear to watch or play really.

Which is why I wish he was in Melee, because if he's actually an interesting and deep character in Smash 4's gameplay he'd be like the most technical character in the game in Melee which is saying something.

>>381161752
>Combos
>Sm4sh
hahaha

>>381161794
Good gameplsy and also Pichu

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>>381158039
>thoughtless clones
>severely unbalanced and underplaytested
>is the reason Ganondorf is a giant C. Falcon
>forever gave Smash Bros an autism-mole bigger than any rosterfaggotry
>half their interesting fighter ideas are in the trophies

Nah, not really OP.

>>381161794
Ice Grabbers.

>>381158039

Brawl's roster was better

>>381161513
As much as I love 4, I do wish we could've gotten an engine closer to Melee's. Him and Little Mac would've been great to see with Melee's physics.

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Hey /v/ I just wanted to say i like having comfy Melee vs Sm4sh threads with you.

>>381160727
>>381161113
>>381161710
you noticed it too, huh?

>>381162057
Brawl's roster was perfect
In the good timeline, Sakurai makes Project M, calls it Brawl, stops making Smash games, and Nintendo just ports it to every future system with maybe a Pichu and Young Link DLC down the line.

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>>381161868
nice work you just killed her instead

>>381161871
>calling uptilt true shoryu deep

>>381159319
Smash 4 is more balanced than Melee isn't it?
Melee has like 6 good characters and the rest struggle competitively.

>>381161891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loo_l9La-2o

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>>381162334
NOOOOOOO

>>381162252
I love you too anon. x3 *huggles*

>>381162401
Have you played Sm4sh?

Do you know that flicking the control stick back and forth to pivot is considered "advanced" in that game?

You think Ryu's set-ups and cancels into moves aren't the most complex and deep thing in the game?

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>>381162432
don't worry I finished the job for you

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True best roster coming through ;^)

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>>381162625
>copy Smash Bros
>but don't copy everything that makes Smash Bros fun

>>381162625
Microsoft Smash when?

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>>381162612
You'll pay for this

>>381162625
I know you're just memeing, but this roster was unbelievably shit. This was basically the MvCI before that game's roster leaked, except arguably even worse.

>>381158039
No what a stupid question

Who's /goingtoGOML/ here?

>>381162401
I can do shoryu nonstop without fail on a fightstick, can almost never get it out using a GC controller. might be a personal thing though

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>>381162625
>Yugioh spike
>raiden but no snake
>donte instead of dante
>two coles
>refused atlus offer of addding teddie for absolutely nothing
was this game outsourced or worked on by three different teams with absolutely no communication in between or something?

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>>381158039
>more clones than a Mortal Kombat roster
Not even close.

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>>381162625
Hold on a fucking second. Did this game actually have the fucking Starhawk guy?

>>381163087
Pro controller is far better for Sm4sh.

>>381162513
Sm4sh is the only smash game I play atm and the thought and precision required to perform a perfect pivot is less brain dead then up tilt shoryu. Ryu may have a higher technical than the most characters but his kill sets up are brain just like the rest of the cast.

To add to that Ryu is a dlc character and because of this he's had more time in the oven than half the cast of course he's a little deeper then rest.

>>381158039
Inferior to Brawl and Smash4 in every single way

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SMASH 5 REVEAL
SEE THIS

WHAT DO?????

>>381163504
Get upset about a wasted character slot, then get angry about how stupid good his moveset is gonna be, then get upset about how's gonna get nerfed into ground, and finally get mad that his entire body mane included has a hurtbox.

>>381163412
>he's a little deeper then rest

Yeah that's what I said.

>>381163684
>tfw running around sniping bitches with lightning arrows
>they try to jump in close
>start channeling my aoe explosion smash

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>>381158039

Yes.

>tfw I unironically love Peach

>>381162820
>Master Chef
>???

>>381163841
I never said he wasn't

Nah that'd probably be MVC2 or UMVC3, depending on whether you like classic Capcom/Marvel or PS360 Capcom/Marvel.

>>381161794
Good, deep, complex, deep, rich, varied, and engaging gameplay.

>>381158976
>Replaces the cast's icons with cropped pictures of their trophies
>Using the god-awful non-Melee model Mario and Luigi trophies
>Not even wooden DK
>Except Yoshi and Jigglypuff who are inexplicably Smash 4 models
>And Falco and Ganondorf who are random fucking renders

who would do this

for what purpose

>>381164072
Then why are you giving me (You)'s?

>>381161002
Whew

>>381162625

what game is the cat from?

>>381161794
when you play the games its really clear the physics difference is so huge.

sm4sh feels much softer and slower and it makes the neutral feel really samey across pretty much every matchup

>>381164267
I just want to talk about smash

>>381164124
l cancels, wavedashing and wobbling aren't deep/complex.

I love melee, but autists make it sound more magnificent than it is. Smash 4 is way more balanced.

Melee is better if you wanna go apeshit. 4 is better if you wanna actually have a balanced fight/tourny that isn't full of autists exploiting everything.

>>381164412
He's Sony's mascot in Nippon

>>381158317
>link jr
laughed out loud

>>381158039
Melee fags are the worst. Brawl clearly has a bigger and better roster.

>>381158039
yes

Melee is the Bertrand Principle manifested.

Given a long enough timeframe, every bug becomes a feature.

>>381164046
Stubbs the Zombie
Arby
Conker
Banjo-Kazooie (Smashfag tears)
Joanna Dark
Microsoft Avatar Fighter
Splosion Man
Viva Pinata Rep
Minecraft Guy
Battletoads Rep
Age of Empires rep
Microsoft Sam
Space Pinball Pilot
Marcus Fenix
Links Extreme Golfer
Crackdown Guy
Lupus
Sabrewulf
Sabreman
Master Sho-Yu

Could be gud.

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>threw my smash 3ds cartridge against the wall until the case broke open
>could still put it back together and play it easily
>don't touch 3ds for a while
>smash cartridge gets recognized only sometimes now and even if it does it won't boot up
what happened
obviously throwing it at a wall till it broke is probably the answer but it still worked after that until I let it sit a while
I don't get it

>>381164124
That's not a roster. PM has the best roster of any smash game

>>381165067
you took poor care of cardtridge and still expect it work.
it probably has dust or something touching something its not suppose to.

>>381164573
>Smash 4 is way more balanced.

Smash 4 is balanced like a kiddie pool is balanced.

>>381165067
I want to fuck the Prime Varia suit so fucking hard

>>381165294
But it doesn't have any holes anon

>>381165185
it was inside a box, dust is a non factor
I'm thinking that I might have scraped the connectors on the chip or something by wiping it
I don't understand why it'll recognize the cartridge if I insert it just right but still won't boot up

>>381164124
he asked about roster not gameplay

No. Smash 4's roster has Pac Man, Mega Man, and Cloud fucking Strife.

>>381165418

why are you breaking things and then expecting them to work? it's not made like those flip phones from the late 90s.

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>>381165663

>>381158039
>6 clones introduced
"No."

>>381165663
>>381165791
MGS ground zeroes?

>>381165767
because I broke it and it still worked fine regardless?
I wouldn't be asking if it immediately stopped working after I chucked it to pieces

>>381165791
>>381165929
Wrong thread fuck

>>381165258
And yet you still suck at it.

Why awesome games like smash can't come for PC? ;_;

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>>381161076
>People shitting on Sm4sh are literatly autistic competitive fags that enjoy the barely functional shit looking game that Melee is

I always say that gameplay is indeed the most important thing of a videogame, then there is artstyle music and others, but Melee is so fucking flawed in everything but gameplay that it just can't stand up high up between the other smash games for me.

Besides, content is also important, and while there is the "Quality>Quantity" shit, in Smash's case having more characters and many ways to modify not only the game but the characters themselves make up for more different ways of gameplay, in Melee you only have like 18 characters with a sort of unique play style, while in Sm4sh you have fucking 50. And it may break at some points for people that preffer simplier play styles, as the kind that say Shulk or others are too gimmicky, but that's just personal opinion. Then even when it comes competitively, Sm4sh has the advantage of being far more balanced than Melee, and a larger cast to use at the top levels, and even the worst characters at least work as intended. Shit like Bowser, Mewtwo and Kirby don't even fully work.
Still, Melee is a great game with neat mechanics, but I can't deal with half of Nintendo characters looking either deep chinese yellow or mexican colored.

>>381163378
Sucks that it isn't viable tho. honestly, Nintendo is retarded for not doing what Sony does with their controllers and charge it with the system

>>381164573
You picked 3 of the most basic shit that beginners HAVE to learn when starting out, obviously that shit ain't that deep

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No.

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Hell no. The best roster in ANY fighting game is Cartoon Network punch time explosion. Just look at that sexy roster.

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Kind of an off-topic question, but what is the reasoning behind Smash is so popular on /v/? Is it because it's the only "fighting" game with a low enough skill floor to get into? Is simply because many people here grew up playing 64/Melee/Brawl? I would like to know.

Anyway, my vote would go to CVS2.

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>>381168185
>Buttercup is separated from the other two for seemingly no reason

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Actual best roster

>>381168331
Literally everyone with a GameCube played Melee

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>>381168664
>not owning the most powerful, cool looking console that generation, the xbox
>playing baby nintendo games
Heh, guess I know which anonymous poster was bullied at school!

>>381158039
Melee isn't even the best Smash game.

>>381168331
Have you been on the board longer than a day? It's obvious drones outnumber people here.

>>381158039
No. In fact it's roster is actually quite terrible.

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>>381168185
>The Eds didn't get in

Still miffed

>>381168595
It's in the order they join in story mode followed by villains and then the buyable characters

>>381167289
tl'dr Smash went from a chaotic and fun glitch filled game to a boring campy shit game. It went from a fun little series about a handful of Nintendo characters and iconic references to a shitty crossover where even characters like Cloud can end up in the game for no reason.

Half the stages and items are shit and the main focus of their creation is to make the match unplayable in hopes that no matter who is playing, anyone can lose. This is how childish the Nintendo fanbase is. Your games have to be designed to be winnable by everyone first, and to actually be fun second, because you faggots only find winning fun.

>>381164573
>l cancels, wavedashing and wobbling
Why do you list the tip of the iceberg?

>I love melee
No you don't.

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Sorry guys, nothing beats trapping the whole stage while everyone else fights then you smash them all into your explosives.

>>381158039
the game itself is great but the roster is laughably bad

>>381166274
no u

>>381164573
>wavedashing
You're obviously a lying faggot because wavedashing is barely required and on some characters not even used.

>>381158237
>6 fire emblem characters

no thanks

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>>381169434
>boring campy shit game
Oh boy, I sure do love getting short hopped lazer by Falco in Pokemon Stadium.
Or having anyone camping on the gad damn ledges.
>chaotic fun glitch filled game
>later, anon shits on chaotic fun filled stages
Your post is all over the place, chaos is fun indeed which can cause random shit to happen, playing Melee for fun wiht all it's stages had this, Sm4sh has it too multiplied by ten, fucking 8 player smash with items and customs can be the most chaos you will ever see in a fighting game that isn't smash, and let's not point out how much fucking fun it is to play with 8 players.
Sm4sh is not only more balanced for competitive play and other shit your kind of faggots like, but is also way superior to any smash game if you want to play for fun.

>>381161003
Thats true. While Lucina and Dark Pit are without a doubt the worst, samey, barely changed clones in the series, the rest are fine.

Toon Link, Lucas, Falco, Luigi and hell, even Doc and Roy are all different enough from their base characters. Way moreso than anyone in Melee.

Ironically Doc is differentiated by barely changing from his Melee self because Mario was changed.

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No
For casual play, it's not bad but for anything further, only four characters are viable.

>>381170178
>Oh boy, I sure do love getting short hopped lazer by Falco in Pokemon Stadium.

Press your shield button...

>>381170586
Luigi was a clone in 64, Melee on he's not even a semi-clone

>>381170178
>Oh boy, I sure do love getting short hopped lazer by Falco in Pokemon Stadium.
You jump into a platform.
You CC the lazer and punish.
You powershield it.
You tank it and act out of hitstun.
You reflect it, if able.
You clank with it (they're not transcendental like Fox).
You use one of your unique mechanics to get around it (Float, absorb, reflect, shift into Z-axis moves, etc)

>>381171146
He's about as clone-like as Lucas.
He still clearly uses Mario as a base, they just did unique things with said base.

>>381170178
>Oh boy, I sure do love getting short hopped lazer by Falco in Pokemon Stadium.
So nobody ever complained about Link running away and spamming the whole match just to still eventually lose? Nobody mentioned the annoying experience of a laggy Robin? I loved that one patch where I could rape a Diddy player for 80% but I make ONE mistake and suddenly I'm at 60 ~ 90%
I barely even feel like skimming the rest of your post because you're pulling shit arguments out of your ass.

If you're really going to compare one character to half the cast doing campy shit in Smash 4 you're delusional. Melee had chaotic mechanics WITHOUT stage hazards and you always felt in control, in Smash 4 you're just getting stunlocked by the stage, or half of your moveset is being nullified by it in general.

Most matches boil down to being at 100%+ and just spamming the same aerial attack walling someone out, or randomly fishing with a down smash. Then you have balance so attrocious that a character like Ness could rape half the roster, but then get hard countered 2 / 8 by Rosalina.

>Sm4sh is not only more balanced for competitive play and other shit your kind of faggots like
It's funny how you can use a tourney setting example, but I'd bet anything I could make a couple battlefield or FOR GLORY examples and suddenly tourney shit doesn't matter. The game is a fucking chore to play at all levels, and characters have moves that are pretty much useless garbage that looks cool but just puts you in way to much recovery to be useful. I bought the game both on 3DS /AND/ on Wii U, and it gave me even less fun than Brawl did.

I can actually say shit about both games because unlike you, my knowledge isn't coming from youtube.

Melee players have this weird buyer's remorse where they learned a bunch of dumb exploits, call them legit moves, and can't admit they wasted so much time learning things that don't translate to any other actual fighting game, or even other Smash games.
I legit feel bad for people who think Smash is anything but a party game.

>>381171147
You can't blame him. He's used to playing a shit game where bad matchups have no answer, and most situations boil down to using whatever move your character has with the longest active hitbox. From here he'll do one of two things

>Say he was merely pretending
>Make random anti-melee shitposts every now and then hoping to derail the thread

>>381168331
The most popular characters because its a crossover. Lowest input floor. Significantly better tournament infrastructure than most fighting games. For a long while you had more Americans to cheer for than in traditional fighters. People are less likely to get shit on by japs now though. Brawl sold better than any fighting game ever.

>>381158039
No.

Next Smash is getting Goku

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>>381158039
>Sm4sh lacking Young Link, Pichu, Ice Climbers
>"Does Maylay have the best fighting roster of all time?"
You're a fucking retard if you think it is the best. Even while lacking Snake, Wolf, Squirtle and Ivysaur, Sm4sh has arguably the best roster, period.
Picture fucking related to your shitty roster.

>>381158039
Emphatically no.

Don't get me wrong, like many, many people I played the shit out of Melee, but in this game you have:

> Roughly 1.5 Mario Clones
> Captain Falcon Clone
> Fox Clone
> Pikachu Clone
> Link Clone
> Marth and Roy
> Mewtwo being a weird mix of I dare say Samus and Jigglypuff

Nearly half the roster is gimped compared to the almighty fox and falco.

Then again, Brawl didn't do the series many favors by adding even more clones, gimping characters unintentionally with its overhaul to movement.

Then Sm4sh introduced a slew of anime sword fighters, forever squashing my desire to see Ganondorf get a sword of his own. I'd rather him be replaced with Ganon, and have double swords and the trident.

>>381161635
You are such a faggot it's unreal.

>>381161635
>The new smash audience wants the game to be a shitty M.U.G.E.N
We live in an age where someone can ask for Master Chief in SSB and think they don't sound retarded.

>>381172995
I get the Mewtwo Samus resemblance, but he is nothing like Jigglypuff.

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>>381172995
>Mewtwo being a weird mix of I dare say Samus and Jigglypuff

You really thought that was a good idea to add to your post?

>>381173478
>>381173587

He has disable right? It's been too long since I played as Mewtwo.

>>381160845
Lucina

>>381173694
I would respond to that question, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around what you were talking about. I'm now remembering when some clown tried to explain to me that Game & Watch was a Mario clone.

>>381158237
>Fire emblem: the roster
Please.

>>381174064
yeeah I don't see it save for the loosest similarities to their Down B. And I mean fucking loose.

>>381158039
No.

>>381160386
Mewtwo's side b doesn't actually reflect properly too. Doesn't change ownership of the projectile.

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I still think either this or the original is the most solid roster I've ever seen.

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I just wanna play PM snake again. RIP local PM scene

>>381169470
Obviously either he has no clue what he's talking about or he's deliberately withholding what he knows in order to fuck with you.

>>381166968
Enjoy your rivals of aether and smash flash 2

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>>381162625
As a PS1/2-fag, this roster makes my eyes bleed.

>>381173694
Dont give opinions on shit you dont remember

>>381167289
Don't even bother comparing these two games. Most people here are just shitposting. I did both at competitive level and the two are actually really good in tournaments (and even though Brawl had a huge problem with ICs and MK, small tournaments where they were banned were extremely fun and had a good variety of characters)

In the end I dropped Melee for Brawl (and now Smash 4, which is basically a less buggy version of Brawl) because the execution was easier and because Snake was soooo good to play. But except that, both games are mechanically interesting.

>>381172083
>He's used to playing a shit game where bad matchups have no answer
Examples? All I can think of is stuff like Bayo/Ganon, which lets be real, has its equivalents in the other three games.

>>381175619
whatever man. Still way too many clones.

>>381175931
Shit like Pikachu vs most slow characters like Ganondorf / D.K used to be one sided. At least from my experience and from what I saw in replays. Ness vs Rosalina is a classic, Ness vs Little Mac is another.

Honestly it's not really as bad as I made it seem, but when the game gives you less options to really maneuver and there are less properties it becomes really rigid and there's only really so many right answers. The same type of thing happened in Street Fighter, instead of having to deal with cheesy shit that someone practiced for hours, now you can get cheesed by someone effortlessly so it takes more effort to be players that are much worse than you.

My point isn't to say SSB4 is the worst SSB and SSBM is great. It's the simple fact people complain about shit in melee, and not in SSB4 just because there's no advanced tech required, or it's so central to a characters play style nobody named it.

>>381159397
>>381160850
>>381161191
>>381161513

MUUUH MELEE IS THE ONLY INTERESTING SMASH GAME. ANYTHING PAST THAT IS SHIT.

Meanwhile in Smash 4 and Brawl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhXwtH0C4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGvdDTBouo

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>>381171147
Lazer camping is a thing, just as ledge camping which for some reason nobody is trying to bring up that point. Sure, you can do all that shit and chase Fox/Falco but him being away guarantees him the advantage, not only by the possibility that he may get some cheap damage out of you but that when you aproach the spacies have a millin options to fuck you up, and with Fox he can just keep camping at the other side of the stage, specially FD or Pokemon Stadium.
Lazer and ledge camping are both cancerous and you can't deny it.
>>381171590
>The whole first paragraph literatly are whining on not knowing how to evade two retarded options for 10 year olds camping
Link and Robin are slow as fuck, if they start to try and get advantage over you being away from them you can easilly aproach and punish them, unless you are some roll spamming shitter that bought the game two days ago.
>one character to half
If you are talking about Lazers, sure, two characters technically and the two most viable ones, in a roster that about 12 or so out of 26 characters have a chance to get to top 32, but then almost every single character can camp the ledge, and that's infuriating as fuck, you can punish it but it won't matter if you are playing against a Marth or Jiggs that can stall matches with it, or many other characters that can abuse it. PM has it right, you shouldn't be able to grab the ledge with invencibility more than 3 times.
>Melee had chaotic..
No, you just have been playing Melee for 16 years now nigger, Sm4sh is still 3 years old and people now a days play less in chaotic stages because of online and competitivefags.
>Most matches boil down to being at 100%+...
So, just like Melee? Unless you are gimping someone, thing that can also be done in Sm4sh even with better recoveries.
>It's funny..
Literatly an opinion, if you are shit at the game, of course fighting against certain characters with certain playstyles can be anoying, just like in Melee, just get good faggot

>>381177486
>Meanwhile in Smash 4 and Brawl...

Boring gameplay?

Yeah, that was rather the point.

>>381173478
Yeah, he is more Samus+Ness.
And Falcon came from Samus, and Ness from Yoshi.

>>381158039
It has Pichu so no.

>>381158039
>says this while clones are included
LOL

>>381177596
>Lazer camping is a thing

It's literally not when you get past scrub level. This is the reason Falco falls off after locals-tier play. All his Falco shit has answers that shitty players just can't utilize. You will never, ever see someone able to camp with lasers against any mildly competent opponent.

>>381177486
lol I don't know who this xonar is but it sure was painful for him

>>381168185
you... edited characters in... poorly at that

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>>381177486

I genuinely can't tell if this post is sarcasm, false flagging, or real

>>381161752
>>381161871
Watching Locus play is fucking great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLHTFRoUZA

>>381177596
You're a fucking idiot. So you can't figure out a way past one strategy on one map, but in SSB4 you're ready to figure out ways around it. Not to mention that if FD was the only map played, Marth would be the best character because of his horizontal strength.

>just get good faggot

Holy shit the irony. Coming from someone who cries about a strategy that doesn't even make it into tourneys. Your series sucks, and the scene is a joke filled with smelly obese nerds. If this game was only judged mechanically it would be just like every other throw away 71 metacritic bomb.

The creators don't even think when they put have the shit in the game, which is why you end up with shit like Hanenbow in a game where a character like Ness exists, and Gaur Plains in a game that introduced Little Mac. No matter what you're given you'll deflect any reason for Smash 4 being shit back to Melee even though Smash 4 has the exact same problems minus a few glitches, and still has move-for-move clones 2 sequels later.

>>381162625
Raiden is there but Snake isn't?

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>>381174151
Reminder Roy was added because meeleefags wouldn't shut up about ROY'S OUR BOY XD!!!1!

Have a cute bird

>>381179696
So why was Lucas added?

>>381179740
to have a nes clone duh dummy

>>381178136
Dutch player, know him and Mr R from locals back in the brawl days. He always was a salty bitch after losing and an asshole after winning

>>381179740
Because his moveset was in the game as custom shit anyway

>>381160173
Yoshi can't jump out of shield.

>>381158103
fpbp

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>>381158039
Nah.

>>381180023
>>381180157
>Roy is in because melee
>Lucas is in because lolnothingtodowithBrawl
I don't understand why this fanbase hates itself even though they don't affect eachother.

Why are Melee fags so austic?

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>>381179352
>a strategy that doesn't even make it into tourneys.
>nobody ever shorthops lazers in the oposite site of the stage waiting for an aproach
>hungrybox hasn't won a single match without capming the ledge
hmmm
>Your series sucks
Subjective.
>Smelly obese nerds
Just like Melee.
>If this game was only judged mechanically
Good thing both games have way more than just mechanics.
Something you seem to not understand about videogames.
> you'll deflect any reason
Maybe if you would try to not say anything but "Melee is better just because this one gameplay reason" over and over again I wouldn't bring it up. Sm4sh is the best Smash game because of more content tahn any other that allows for the most fun you can have with friends than any other, you don't go with friends to play for fun and pickany Smash game but Sm4sh, you want to play with the most players available, you don't go like a tourney faggot to only abuse legal stages and exclusivly play 1v1s.
We are comparing your favorite Smash to mine anyways, unless you bring 64, Brawl or even PM to this. PM is way better than Melee anyways.
>Glitches
Melee is WAY more flwed on this than any Smash game, Maybe not Brawl.
>Clones
The game has like 6 clones, and Melee has 8. Guess which one has 58 characters and which has 26.

Also, love how you keep ignoring the fact that I say how Melee has good mechanics, while everything else is inferior, and ledge camping, which IS cancerous as fuck, way worse than lazers.

Borp is the only skillful Melee player. He doesn't rely on bugs masked as mechanics or other shit Melee has.

>>381160173
Yoshi can't jump out of shield and his grab literally goes into the Z axis, making it basically not exist for parts of its hitbox duration. Also his nair hitbox doesn't even cover the hurtbox of his foot.

Game and Watch's shield doesn't even cover his whole body.

Kirby's grabs can be mashed out of.

Mewtwo can glitch people through stages.

Half of Roy's sword doesn't exist for some attacks.

there's shit tonnes of retarded character ruining things in Melee. It's a bit of a mess of a game but it's just the best of its kind. An actual sequel could have fixed all these things and built on it but instead the "sequels" went backwards from 64 instead.

>>381158039
Brawl does. Tr4sh was worst than Melee's because it had too many clones and swordsmen.

>>381181182
The new games are better simply because they don't have all the retarded glitches and stupid shit Melee has.
Melee is overrated as fuck and only played by Autists.

>>381181458

But brawl has the most glitches in the series

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tfw only person who ever liked this stage

>>381180923
(You)

>>381180382
I wouldn't count Luigi as a clone anymore.

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>>381180923

>>381180923
This desu
Melee is only played by autists who pretend their heavily flawed and glitchy game is actually good
The rest of the FGC also laughs at Melee

>>381182182
Clones don't mean "exactly is" clones are characters who share character designs and attack animations. Even in 64 Luigi didn't play remotely like Mario.

>>381181853
>>381182419
not him, but having the last post doesn´t make you win the conversation

>All these salty tourneyfags moving goalposts
OP is talking about the ROSTER guys not the gameplay.

Sm4sh roster > Melee

>meleeautists made an entire pastebin about why they hate brawl
>even though the only people who see it either already hate brawl with all their might or love brawl too much to let the pastebin change their opinion
It's one thing to like a game and dislike the others
>it's filled with tons of subjective shit instead of actual problems
>there probably isn't a similar pastebin for melee
>brawl still has almost double the sales as melee
>everyone complains about smash 4 being shit even though it's even more balanced than melee
>even if a melee HD was released, people probably still wouldn't bother playing it at tournaments because of their CRTs and broken controllers
>meleefags love project m so much they include it on their "official" lists of favorite smash games
>even though it's literally just a fan made brawl hack
The moment smash dies is when nintendo starts listening to tourneyfags. They only think of smash as a no item 1v1 or maybe 2v2 neutral stage fighting game, and only judge newer games based on that aspect. Calling the other games shit just because they're not as supportive of that type of gameplay is retarded.
Sure, you can try and find different deep combos in each game. And sure, you can try to see how good you are against another guy on fair ground. But don't pretend that's the way they're meant to be played. If that were true, then this game would've turned into a street fighter clone by now. The items, the free-for-alls, even the stage hazards help make smash into what it is. Brawl and sm4sh might not be great competitive games, but they're probably the best smash games of the bunch.

Of course many of you'll probably just respond with a general "LOL U LIKE EATING SAKURAI SHIT" that the ridleyfags also love spewing, but if you have a reason as to why I'm wrong then go ahead. I'd love to hear it.

>>381166274
Smash 4 is boring, I would play it more cause I actually don't mind it and enjoy playing but I'd almost always rather play melee

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>>381182725
>win the conversation

>>381183017
You are just generalizing way too much. The group of people within the competitive community who actually think the way you describe are the vocal minority. The majority very much enjoys playing the game casually as well and I cant think of anyone who doesnt think that brawl is clearly the better casual game.
speaking of which; smash 4 sucks not even competitively but casually as well cause that singleplayer is just goddamn awful.
Putting that aside I think brawl has easily the best roster because of snake alone.

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>>381183953
I´m taco, whatever anon

>>381179343
Damn, I'm a Ryu man and I'm not even anywhere near this good. I still don't know how to do his basic nair combo ffs. I haven't played Smash 4 in a while, but this really makes me want to go back to it and improve.

>>381182683
>FGC
Those are worse than Meleefags.
Melee is a good game, which mechanics make it nice to look at and alright to play it.
But fuck damn, it's way too fucking overated.
>>381182725
Shhh, let the Meleefags alone, just ignore them for a while and their autism will calm down.

>>381179343
Holy shit that butthurt at 1:55

>>381183017
Smash 4 is probably the second most interesting smash game competitively, but it is the worst single player experience. It has the worst stage list, with most of the better stages on the 3DS. Music isn't as good because of the chopped up two minute remixes, and just a weaker main theme. Brawl was actually amazing in those aspects, just pure cancer competitively.

>>381184761

Brawl introduced at least 5 of the worst stages in the series and started the annoying item trend. SSE was also a huge waste of potential for a bunch of reasons like the donut steels. Brawl was a mistake besides the roster

>>381184761
>with most of the better stages on the 3DS.
I don't get this meme. Most of the 3DS' stages were shit. Most of the Wii U's stages were good.

And Brawl was all over the place with the stages. Some of them were god-tier, like Castle Siege, Village, and Shadow Moses Island, while a lot of them were pure shit, like 75m.

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>tfw main the only 3rd-party character in Sm4sh that isn't at least mid-high tier

Feels bad man

>>381184997
It also gave us Smashville and Yoshi's Island which were a million times better than any of the Smash 4 stages. Port Town, Shadow Moses, Bridge of Eldin, and Pirate Ship are also way less obnoxious than shit like Orbital Gate Assault and Pac-Land. Way better Battlefield and Final Destination.

>>381161794
Wobbling

>>381181804
It's a nice stage. Super cheezy at times, but it sure did a good job at shaving time off of Classic/All Star runs