Nothing she said was wrong in the slightest.

nothing she said made any fucking sense becasue this game was unfinished crap
KOTOR 1> KOTOR 2

A FUCKING TREE

A FUCKING MAGIC FORCE TREE

WITH DARK SIDE EVIL BROTHER AND LIGHT SIDE GOOD SISTER

>>381108846
what

>>381108689
I might've agreed if I understood anything she said.

>>381108689
>actions have consequences!
damn....

>>381108789
fpwp

>>381108846
A FUCKING SLOTH

>>381108789

Nothing she said made sense because the game's writer hates Star Wars and Kreia was his mouthpiece to tear down and criticize everything about the franchise.

>>381108789

this

>>381110136
How's that bad?

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>>381108689
>ywn show Kreia just how far a Jedi can fall

>>381109802
force sloth kek

Is the Force still canonically microscopic bacteria or did they retcon that shit?

>>381110783
The Force is a fucking tree now.

>>381108689
>"Did killing the Jedi bring you joy?"
>six answers, all of them are variations of yes
>reprimands me for saying yes, as if I had a choice, and lectures me for 10 whole minutes
>ignore everything she says and let the nazi holocrons have their way with Atris
>she tells me how proud she is of me as I push her bony ass into Malachor's core
So deep

>>381108689
I never would have thought that old ladies could be fedora edgelords too

>>381110997
what?

>>381108689
Muh' "Force"

>>381110305
Fall?
No, ascended.

>>381108689
She outright says false things though. Blows my mind how many people don't realise that her constant "nuh uh! I'm right and you're wrong!" is a purposeful character flaw of her.

>>381112205
>Are you a good boy?
>Are you an edgy fuck?
Fuck you. You are a failure.
>Did you do all those things to empower yourself, because you know it would end up so and did it without the influence of the teachings of the Jedi and Sith?
Good student. Now fuck my ass.

How is that so hard to get?

>>381113753
If you stay good the entire game she doesn't call you a failure though.

>>381113684
You can see and tell in dialouge when she is lying.
She admits it and says she is always testing the exile.

>ywn fuck a younger kreia
>ywn give her a kreiampie

>>381108689
>I suffered... indignities

was it rape?

>>381113753
if you dont kill the council she won't call you a failure IIRC

>>381113891
If you go all goody-goody she berates for self-sacrificing to the point the you weaken yourself and gain nothing from the acts.

>>381113969
I doubt Nihilus or Sion could pull off sex in their conditions.

>>381110997
source please.

>>381114063
But right at the end with the "you have failed me, completely and utterly". She won't say that if you're fully good and have been self sacrificing the whole game.

>>381113969
Force rape. Its like rape but with the force. They probably forced pushed her severed hand to fist her.

>>381114192
doesn't all rape involve force

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>>381109802
>>381110315
I'll lose my shit if that and the force penguins turn out to be legit.
I'm almost certain it's /tv/ making shit up again, but I'm half hoping it's not, because it's going to be gloriously retarded.

>>381114171
Well yeah because instead of killing a bunch of dudes to sate your bloodlust you were dying
You were her attempt to show the council how good of a student she could raise, killing them just proves her wrong

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>>381110136
>because the game's writer hates Star Wars and Kreia was his mouthpiece to tear down and criticize everything about the franchise.
and yet you can tell her to fuck off at any time, and be the living proof she's wrong, should you choose.
This meme needs to die.

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>>381114323
Force with the FORCE.

>think about your choices
>good actions can end up in bad situations
>all the major choices give more positive results if you choose the "light" sided solution
Only arguable situation is Onderon, depending on your political affiliations.

Why didn't Atton fuck off after Peragus? Why would he give a shit about a broken jedi knowing about his past? It's not like she would give him much trouble.

>>381114772
The Force, The Exile was attracting losers subconsciously

>>381114772
i haven't played the game in years but isn't the player character like a black hole in the force or some shit that draws other people who are force sensitive in?

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>>381108789
>entry level philosophy
>doesn't make sense

/v/ everyone

>>381114461
>be the living proof she's wrong,
but you can't

Post a comparable scene from kotor 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y

I'll wait

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>>381115016
>KotOR2 & Kreia
>Philosophy
cringe

>>381115016

it doesn't make sense because it's entry level philosophy in a game about ash-skinned evil people with red laser swords

>>381115132
>cringe

>>381108789
>stop being a little bitch who adheres to code for the sake of it and think for yourself

WOAH THAT SURE WAS HARD TO GET

>>381115127
People will always find the plot twist in Kotor 1 to be more interesting than some old lady ranting, just give up.

>>381115304
Its more sad that people don't get such shit from a game about ash-skinned evil people with red laser swords

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>>381108689
>You will never make Kreia love you

>>381115132
let it go, KOTOR2 fans think they are smarter and better people because they "get" a game that was made for teenagers

>>381108789
fpbp

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>>381115472
>the only thing interesting about kotor 1 is an obvious plot twist

So this is the power of bioware... HA HA HA

>>381115132
The correlation between actions, consequences, and the reasoning, is basic philosophy.

>>381114063
>Gain nothing from the acts

Fuck you Kreia there are mechanical benefits for me being a good boy, don't talk to Jedi Jesus or his 52 wisdom ever again

>>381115769
kotor 1's campy fun villian vs kotors 2's tryhard edgelord

>>381115665
KOTOR 2 fans just want to discuss a game with a deeper plot than most other games.

KOTOR 1 fans are figuratively little children that kick and scream because other people like KOTOR 2, so they strawman just like you are doing right now.

>>381115769
>Ha-ha-ha!

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I'm always confused when people say they didn't understand Kreia and/or dislike her (they are both essentially synonymous). She makes her motivations and desires explicit multiple times throughout the game.

>>381114171
You get two completely different scenes based on whether you go light or dark

The one is this post is dark >>381115127

This one is light https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EtByaOxiwE

Although it's really if you kill the masters or not

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>>381115909

This scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2y51Fu7lGo

>>381116397
>explains herself fully
>people still manage to not understand kreia

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>>381116550
The average /v/irgin is completely fucking retarded it seems.

Though saying that, the fact that we have KOTOR 2 threads all the time shows that some of you niggas are alright.

>>381114063
She never really berates you for being goody goody or even evil, she just doesn't want you to perform those acts because that's what you're supposed to do

That's why that scene on Nar Shaddaa she berates you no matter what you do, because it's really about the why, rather than what you are actually doing. That's why if you explain yourself, and you aren't just doing it just because she backs down and essentially approves.

Are you being good because that's what a jedi is supposed to do and you're just following blindly, or are you actually thinking through your actions and doing what you want to do?

Some anon explained it well last thread i saw. It basically amounts to

>stop farming alignment points

>>381116916
That video some /v/irgin made on Kreia blew my mind. I didn't realise that following her advice and brutalising the Nar Shaddaa refugees and fucking them over ends up actually benefiting you by getting the Exchange to notice you sooner.

>>381108846
A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!!!!

This is what people that went to public schools find "deep"

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>>381108689
She did not offer me pretzels

Also know if you ever used Jedi Jesus face I hate you to your very core

>>381108689
>dude both sides are wrong lmao

>>381117426
>my first character was sith space Jesus

>>381117426
Why does this sound like a Futurama episode?

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>Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you

KOTOR1 twist fags btfo

>>381116916
>try to walk past beggar
>forced into a conversation
>pick the ignore him option
>it does nothing
Why can't I just walk around him? Why am I forced to give him money or threaten to kill him?

>>381108689
I remember she once talked about not helping a guy because he wouldn't learn anything

All I could think was "Man, fuck that guy. The XP's mine, bitch"

>>381117617
You're a terrible person, even worse than the average /v/ goer

>>381117874
APATHY IS DEATH

But really the game design isn't perfect, it's obviously a mandatory scene

>>381117940
A lot of people still seem to misunderstand that scene and think that you will always lose influence with her because she's a whiny old hag. When in actual fact, if you just say "I will take this on board and think about it" she is impressed.

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>save some starving dude
>Why did you do such a thing? Such kindnesses will mean nothing, his path is set. Giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands. And would that be a kindness? What if by surviving another day, he brings a greater darkness upon another?
Uh Ok
>Kill person
>YOUR CRUELTY GROWS TIRESOME
Make up your mind you old hag

>>381114461

>living proof that she's wrong

You can't. Every single thing that happens during the game is depicted to be part of her grand plan no matter what you do.

>>381118189
Was being asked to dance for the Hutta part of her plan?

>>381116252
yer, i didnt understand what the bish if your image was all about though

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>>381117426
>Also know if you ever used Jedi Jesus face I hate you to your very core
You are Literally worse than Hitler

>>381118069
Nah, I don't need to consider that hag's shit advice. I need the XP. All the XP. so much XP that I become as unto a god!

>>381118189
Except it doesn't matter what she plans, what matters is who you are.

>>381117426
Fuck you Space Jesus is more canon then some fucking chick

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>>381118189
>Missing the point this hard

Her entire grand plan IS for your philosophy to overcome her own. That's the fucking point.

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>>381118069
Pottery.
>>381118182

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>Be a vetern from the Jedi Civil war
>Taken down swaths of force users like it aint shit.
>THE FUCKING GENERAL of an entire campaign
>Kreia keeps talking to me like I'm some dinky Padawan
>Tell her to fuck off
>She tells me to leave her at the ship if I don't like it
>Do so
>HURRRR IM GOING TO BITCH AT YOU THROUGH TELEPATHY NOW

Rosh, Kreia and Jar Jar are tied for most unlikable characters in SW

>>381118069

This. You can personally agree or disagree with Kreia all you want. As long as you tell her you'll consider her teachings, she'll be satisfied.

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REEEE MUMMY KREIA IS MINE EXILE

>>381118529
>>381118408
Space Jesus is the absolute worst face, even worse than the Asian faces. meme power doesn't translate into in game power

>>381117990
was APATHY IS DEATH from something else before hand?

i say it all over the place and it seems too popular considering its from a hidden section of a niche screen jame

>>381118647
No one, and I mean NO ONE is more unlikable then Rosh. But I think that's kinda the point even the biggest moralfag would want to kill that guy making the choice pretty hard tbqh. Kreia is just 2deep4u or some bullshit

>>381118920
It happens in the korriban cave

>>381118920
It's from that. It just happens to be from one of the game's best scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlcaAVUF1uU

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>>381118818
Jedi Jesus and the Bald Black Guy are the only two faces that look like a war veteran in their mid thirties.
The rest look far too young and naive.

>>381119041
The whole of korriban cave is great

>>381108789

You're embarrassing.

>>381119029
>>381119041
yeah i mean like, did some greek guy say it a thousand years ago or whatever first?

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>>381108689
>never finished the game
>played the opening so many times i got tired of trying to start again
What do /v/ ?

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>>381119041
>CHILDREN
>WITH
>LIGHTSABERS

>>381114192
Her hand was severed afterwards

>>381118569
>ah, you do it for me and not yourself
>how benevolent, at least you think
>I need nothing from you
>and if you think doing it helps it only keeps others from doing it and in the end only you can do it and nobody else can do it for themselves and when you are gone nobody can ever do it
>put that in your reliance on the force and smoke it
>"You lost influence with Kreia"

>>381119061
Smugblonde Guy looks experienced, and looks better when Dark Side. Most /v/ fags are on the Male Exile side because they need to self insert into a character with a harem

>>381119201
>yeah i mean like, did some greek guy say it a thousand years ago or whatever first?

Not the same words, though it is a general idea that has existed for thousands of years. The word "idiot" derives from a phrase in antiquity that literally mean something like "a person who is too ignorant to take part in politics". People who didn't take part in decision making were considered morons and mentally ill.

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I suffered....indignities

What did Kreia mean by this?

>>381108789
Don't be a retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0S0Z8lUTg

we all agree this video sucks right

>>381108789
this
who the fuck think 2 is better? holy shit retards

Should i go guardian or sentinel for my next playthrough?

I've only ever played consular because the force is so OP

>>381115769
>bioware makes a cartoony villain
>obsidian makes an edgy OC donut steel

>/v/ praises Kreia but hates Ulysses
Why? They're actually quite similar.

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>>381119487
>2 hours

>>381119326
>Smugblonde Guy l
The guy with a scar? Looks like a dudebro got lost at the gym and picked up a rifle by accident.

>Most /v/ fags are on the Male Exile side because they need to self insert into a character with a harem
Most people on /v/ choose male exile because Brianna is ridiculously better than Disciple in every way. The added dialogue with Atris and Visas helps, as does the fact that Atton goes from a thirsty orbiter to one of the top Video game bros.

>>381119487
>we all agree this video sucks right

Think for yourself. You seem to have misinterpreted Kreia's very first lesson. Don't blindly follow the /v/ code or the Reddit code.

>>381115769
>one destroy a planet
>the other is a edgy fuck
woah such threat

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>>381119592
Bioware makes a Starwars story. Obsidian bends Starwars to fit their story

>you share a board with people that got "life lessons" from a videogame

I've not even played this game and even I know what the fuck Kreia is trying to tell you.

>Don't be an easily influenced faggot. Think on your own instead of being a sheep and a drone,
Wow, so hard. /v/ is really fucking retarded.

>>381119208
install the skip peragus mod

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>>381119487
>1:52:52

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>>381119769
>you share a board where people talk about video games

>>381119721
>one orders a bunch of ships to blow up a planet full of racists and supremacists
>the other exterminates the Jedi Order and poses a legitimate threat to you throughout the game by chopping off your mentor's hand, sending assassins after you, trying to murder you on Korriban and being the penultimate boss

>>381116550
>>381116681

This is why people hate kotor 2 fags

Literally nobody older than 13 didn't understand the plot. But who the fuck wants a "deep" plot from a fucking star wars game?

>>381119985
>people saying they don't understand the game in like every thread (even this one)

Thanks shitposter-kun

>>381119954
>the other exterminates the Jedi Order
yeah he tells you, everything he does is talk

>>381119985
>But who the fuck wants a "deep" plot from a fucking star wars game?

Sticking in the constraints of a setting is dull as fuck. KOTOR 2 was great because it actually went out and explored some new stuff. It's hardly revolutionary but if you just want the same shit poured into your mouth year after year like with KOTOR and TOR and their slavish devotion to the original trilogy's muh good and evil setting you're an ass.

>>381113949
>that picture of young kreia in the desert using her force saber shit
i wanna fuck young kreia so bad fuckkk

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>>381119985
I mean, no one asked for it, but since you got it, why not appreciate it?

>>381119740
More like Bioware does some shitty copy paste generic star wars story and Obsidian does an original and interesting story instead of some cash grab sequel.

>>381119947
Discuss all you want, it's still an embarrassing display.

Reminder that the guy shitposting about kotor 2 is in almost every kotor 2 thread, he has also admitted he actually likes SWTOR.

>>381119985
Do you realise how fucking stale the EU was at the time KOTOR 2 was released?
The idea of something going beyond rehashing the OT, or trying to pathetically one up it, was golden and The KOTOR comics were also great for that precise reason.

>>381120249
I did.

But it wasn;t that great or deep. And it was bugged to shit. First few planets/areas sucked DICK. Combat is total ass too

At least Kotor 1 is a complete game. And The opening few planets aren't literally sleep inducing boredom

>>381119954
>Malak corners you on the Leviathan
>have to leave Bastila to be tortured and brainwashed while the rest of you narrowly escape with the ship
>Sion corners you on Korriban
>casually walks towards you and lets you escape the academy while muttering edgy nonsense, also lets you explore the rest of the planet at your leisure
So scary!

>>381119680
No scar

I never use Brianna or Discipline either way, Atton is better with a Female Exile, the dynamic between Kreia and the Female Exile is different too. She's way less "keep it in your pants, space jeez"

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>>381120341
exactly brah. just chill out, turn your brain off, and frag some charlies

>>381120197
>yeah he tells you, everything he does is talk

Nigga what. Did you even play the game? The Jedi are in hiding because Nihilus killed a bunch of them on Katarr and Sion's assassins and he murdered most of the rest.

>>381119443
>Kreia's hips
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

Also, is that a Greatsaber or something holy fuck that thing is huge

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>>381120328
Thing is that Obsidian is absolutely incapable of making anything good for themselves. They can only survive when building off the success of others. Kotor 2 and New Vegas are proof of this.

Pic related. This is what you get when you trust Obsidian to not ride the coat tails of others.

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>>381108689

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>The exile literally forced people to like him/her by using force powers passively

Why is this allowed?

>>381120437
He's edgy as fuck, but he's great.

Malak was edgy as fuck, but boring rehashed shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N-e62uQSxQ

>>381120498
>lol dude you didn't get a life lesson from kotor 2?! lmao this means you like mindless fuuuuun!!
You guys are so insecure is amusing.

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>>381120582
Yes, that must be the cause.

Not half the the senior staff, including Avellone, being gone.

>>381120437
>Malak confronts you on his ship
>BWAHBWAH YOU WERE REVAN THE WHOLE TIME BWAHBWAH
GASP
>some shitty emotionless "sacrifice" by the the cunt jedi bitch
>Sion confronts you on Korriban
>Life or death duel with one of the most powerful sith of all time where you are clearly outmatched and forced to run because he plans on killing you brutally
Gee I wonder which one is better?

>>381120753
I don't know, you're the one frightened that a game might make you think for more than two seconds. Sounds like insecurity to me.

>>381120816
man stop sucking sion cock holy shit
he's shit face it

>>381120582
Yes,I forgot about those original IPs from Bioware,Star Wars The Old Republic and Bethesda's Fallout 3 and 4.

>>381120816
>>Life or death duel with one of the most powerful sith of all time where you are clearly outmatched and forced to run because he plans on killing you brutally
>not one of the most powerful sith of all time where you are clearly outmatched and defeated and he plans on making you his cocksleeve

>>381120913
He's one of the best characters in the series if you do a femexile run. He is tsundere as fuck for you.

>>381118397
>yer, i didnt understand what the bish if your image was all about though

I want 12 year olds to leave.

>>381120385
The IA story blows Kotor 2 out of the water, it just doesn't get attention because it's trapped in a shitty MMO and it isn't as in your face edgy as Kreia was.

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>>381120757
One man doesn't make a game. A team does. But you can keep hiding behind your convenient excuses if you like.

>>381120816
Malak was scarier but Sion was better written

>>381121036
Does he lust after Female Exile, or is it some weird infatuation?

>>381120913
I don't even think he has a benis to suck, but besides that yes we get it he's dark and edgy. But to compare the Skeletor of Star wars to Sion and prefer Malak is fucking absurd

>>381120843
Nice reading comprehension.

She is a literal fedora-core Reddit-philosopher

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>>381121104
HAHAHA this is who you are arguing with people.

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>>381121156
he just wants a mommy gf

>>381120816
IMO Kotor 1's plot twist was better. Revealed bastilla and all the other jedi you had known to have been lying cunts the whole time. Made much more impact for characterization

Much better than

>Fight the same wank ass Sith for the third time in the row

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>>381121104
So this is what stockholm syndrome looks like. Being less shit doesn't make it good, even if you extract the terrible MMO that ruins the pacing.

Sion was pathetic, that's the entire point of the character. Incredible how it flies over Obsidiots heads.

>>381121303
God, don't we all?

>>381119309
Chris Avellone told me they force timetraveled in order to force rape her with her cut hand.

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>>381121303
How could he want to gf any of these faces?

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>>381121104
I'm sorry dude, but that was just funny.

>>381121332
i mean what's the plot for kotor 2?
2 siths are trying to kill you - run

>>381121183
You came onto a Korean quilting website just to tell everyone "NO MAN, I DIDN'T LEARN OR FEEL A THING A THING FROM KOTOR2 I AM JUST SO SECURE IN MY PHILOSOPHICAL IDENTITY AND SO FAR ABOVE IT, LOOK HOW SECURE AND COMFORTABLE I AM".

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>Forced to play through the entire game with a full party
>Final area and final boss fight is literally a 1v1

???????????

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Lets just stop arguing and cry over the fact that there will never be another good star wars game ever again.

>>381121565
>he hasn't reached the boss's final stage

>>381121494
That doesn't even serve as a proper reductionist presentation of the plot.

>>381121594
There's somethings I like about ToR, but I would never play it.

>>381121494
The high point for me in Kotor 2 was the Muslim planet where you make choices regarding the civil war. Felt really cool to be a jedi leading the charge with soldiers.

Everything was just boring blah blah the republic is falling, you're a peice of shit blah blah I know what happened but I wont tell you :^) :^) :^)

>>381121719
that's all i remember and i've finish it 2 times

>>381121565
>he hasn't replaced Kreia with his character in the main menu

>>381121494
your connection to the force is gone, you need it back unless you want to go mental and lose your senses and kill everyone else

>>381121823
Then you literally didn't get it.

>>381121518
No need to get triggered now. I only came here to discuss a game I played, didn't expect to see so many people get their life changed by babby's first philosophy. Watch out for fortune cookies, you don't want your mind to explode.

>>381109203
There's spoilers on this for a reason.
supposed leaks about episode 8 indicate the origin story of the force is about a magic tree,
an evil brother(snoke) and a good sister (rey).
pictures of shootings of the film lend to the theory, but I question if they'd really do it.

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>>381121565
>2 party members have to save my character
>didn't give them good equipment so they can't get thru the area

>>381121156
He straight up falls in love with you. It's hysterical and somewhat heartwarming.

It's even better if Atton becomes your love interest because their battle kicks up a notch.

Someone made a gay version mod, but the same principles apply for the female. Can't find any footage of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd8y3JLNrVs

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>>381121897
The irony that your response is to double down is amazing.

>>381121565
there is only you

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>>381121903
kek

>>381121594
It depends.
currently, the Mouse is in full Shekel gathering mode, but after the ST is done, they'll need to revitalise the IP every so often.
EA is shit at doing that, and the Story Group will quickly get the boot if they try impeding it.

Dual Blasters > Dual Sabers > Unarmed = Single Saber > Physical Blades > Blaster Rifle > Saber Staff

Star Wars was a super simple PG film about good versus evil. Any Star Wars IP that isn't campy ends up looking retarded.

>>381122059
Yes, I am openly belittling you now. Good job in noticing it.

>>381122315
Dark side Force powers > all

>>381121903
Overexplaining everything is a trend.
>people want to know the reason why the antagonist acts the way he does
>people can't handle monster movies that don't have an origin story for the monster
>there always has to be a sympathetic side to every character
>if the antagonist is an immaterial being/always off-screen/unrelatable then it's a horrible antagonist

>>381121301
>>381121345
>>381121492
What is wrong with the IA story? Did you even play it?

>>381122335
I think there's a notable difference between, say Rogue One taking Star Wars incredibly seriously and losing the pulp roots to churn out a generic action blockbuster, and something like KotOR2 where that dichotomy between the settings intent and the individual work is the entire point (regardless of whether you feel it worked or not), are two very different things.

>>381122315
>Saber staff

I've never met someone who calls it a staff and wasn't also a faggot.

>>381122748
Not him but thats literally its name, what else would you call it? Rooty tooty double ended bazoopy?

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>"I shall view you as expendable too, then."
>"Ah, now you are learning."

>>381122748
Every game that featured it since Jedi Academy refers to it as saber staff. You're a retard for claiming otherwise.

>>381122729
>wanting to play SWTOR

>>381123010
that hurt my feelings to be honest
fucking kreia

>>381122729
Characters are pretty bland even with the party members, events need to be very simplistic and insulated due to lack of capability of doing anything impactful or requiring unique assets (even the few cool things it does try to do are so stilted they lose a lot of impact), and even the cool stuff like the brainwashing lose their impact because they're so damn stilted.

>>381122959
>Rooty tooty double ended bazoopy?
I will start calling them that.

>>381122959
>not a double Womstick

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>>381123626
>>381123709

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>>381122554
It's alright anon, I'm sure you're a very smart person. So very smart.

>>381123257
>call her on her bullshit
>ah, then you are learning
>tell her to fuck off and she's as expendable as everyone else
>ah, then you are learning
>tell her you don't need to feed on power from hanharr
>ah, there's the choice of Malachor V at last
>confront the jedi masters
>you have failed me. completely and utterly

I wanted to crush her ribs like Mace Windu did to Grievous in Genndy's Star Wars

>>381122576
Yes I remember that time I played KotoR 2 on Easy Mode too.

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>he's never done a no force power/feats play through of kotor 2

>The screams of your tribe of primitives, the scene of lying blinded with the huntresses' blaster at your skull, I shall make it so that is all you hear and see for the rest of your days.

What was her fucking problem?

>>381123868
Pay closer attention. The one important difference in those events is death. Killing them doesn't prove you, or she, or they are correct or wrong, it just proves you're able to kill them. Beliefs matter to Kreia more than anything, and you can't kill a belief with Force Grip.

>>381114063
I think she personally likes you to stay full light side, when you confront her at the end she thanks you when you choose the options saying you want to save her still and how she wanted to hear you say it.

there's something a bit pathetic about self inserting yourself to tear down a children's fantasy setting

at the very least we should acknowledge that kreia's teardown of the logic of the force in star wars says nothing that wasn't already apparent and that the jedi vs sith cycle is more a product of our own capitalist world wanting to milk the most popular entertainment franchise of all time than the world of star wars itself

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No Force Powers, Dual Blasters was the most fun I've had playing KotoR 2

Also ass

>>381124180
Kreia was a human-supremacist.

>>381124176
>Wanting to remove what little strategy the games have in favour of cheesing AI

>>381123868
She wanted to prove the council that there was another way, and that through that way she could train someone who was much stronger than any of them. If you kill them, she can't prove that their dichotomy of Light/Dark is outdated and stupid.

>>381124176
Why bother? I probably enjoy the combat more than anyone else in this thread and even I wouldn't subject myself to that. The plot still forces force powers on you and Kreia will talk as if you're using the force again anyway.

I did not fully grasp Hanharr's character, he hated to be looked down on, or pitied but also liked to prove himself useful?

>>381124764
he hated wookie traditions but also couldn't bring himself to ignore them.

>>381123868
She wanted to defeat their beliefs, not them personally. There is nothing more sweet to her than proving that she was right and that they were wrong. She was not a failure for training Revan the way she did, but instead was vindicated by his actions.

You denying her the chance to do that by having you, her student, outplay them in their teachings, is what causes her to get pissed.

At the same time, she really just does it to make you think that she's gone full evil when she actually just wants to wipe out both the Jedi and Sith, go to Malachor, have you fulfill your destiny and go into the Unknown Regions to follow Revan and defeat the True Sith.

>>381124352
I might do this. I've always been a lightsaber enthusiast (fuck you, Kreia, I'm not overcompensating) focusing on that + force

Might go ranged on my next play.

>>381119041
I really need to replay it, thanks for the thread, guys.

>>381125036
Sith Battle Suit will be the best armor for this build, and Mandalorian Rippers the best blasters. Focus on Rapid Shot feat, Battle Master/Marauder is probably the best specialization, Guardian the best base class or Sentinel works too.

>>381125370
Make sure to get the Restored Content mod (but not M4-78).

you must be retarded to think the sith are as bad as the jedi anyway

>>381125489
Do you add some focus on Int + wisdom + skills (my autism hurts when I can't recover every mine/open everydoor/slice/repair)? Or just Dex, Con?

>>381119740
You probably liked rogue one.

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>Bao-Dur isn't at the final level with the other party members and left that hologram message for Remote because he died on the way to the HK factory during the battle for Telos even if you made him a jedi

Fuck this gay earth

>>381119740
>That signature

despite her shitting on light side choices she seems to respect a Jedi Exile more than the Sith Exile

>>381125920
I just pump DEX and CON scores, but INT won't hurt either you can breakdown and create some more stuff without having to rely on a party member depending on what it is.

>do nothing in the mandalorian wars
>the jedi that left and joined revan to fight the mandalorians all fell, except one and they absolutely hate that guy
>ackowledge that this saved the galaxy, but it was still wrong because it was for the wrong reasons
>if they had led the jedi instead of revan the jedi wouldn't have fallen en masse and the civil war would never happen
>they chose apathy
>the order died

Pottery

>>381114772
>>381114958
at first he was helping you so he could get off Telos

then in the cells Kreia blackmails him into helping you

>>381121303
People actually want someone to talk to them this way?

>>381126257
Everyone likes a nice guy

how does the Jedi temple get rebuilt if you kill them all? Wtf

>>381108689
glorified word salad. all that exists is cause and effect. philosophy and spirituality are perversions of rational thought. you are her pawn up until near the end of the game and even past if you so choice. she was a liar and manipulator and just more proof that the unwashed masses will always fall for something with flare that lacks any real substance.

>>381126102
He is the worst character beside Disciple so who cares

>>381110783
I thought they were meant to be cell compartments like mitochondria.

>>381121594
This is the fucking truth. Star wars is dead, mickey mouse just crawled inside the corpse and is walking around with it as his newest and most profitable skin.

>>381123868

friendly reminder that if you spare each master but go dark side in all other choices, she tells you that you are her greatest student before the final battle.

I found Kotor 2 really creepy back when I was a kid... the creepy music, everybody on Peragus dead, stories about the Jedi being extinct. It was like a horror game on Korriban

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>You will never be Mandalorian
Why live?

>>381121903
That is a fucking horrifyingly bad idea. That is literally worse than midichlorians.

>>381126639
Kreia>Atton>Visas>Mira>Mandalore>T3>Hanharr>HK>Bao-Dur>>Go-To>Disciple

>side with General Vaklu because he supports an independant Onderon in a time when the Republic and Jedi can't be relied upon
>locks me into dark side ending
Cool

>he didn't do a no force run of kotor 2

STOP RELYING ON THE FORCE AS A CRUTCH

>>381127345
>STOP USING YOUR GIFTS!
Nah

>>381127270
>independent onderon
>when he's a puppet of the sith

Might want to learn to into politics first. Independent onderon isn't really a choice in the game, it's one planet being fought over by the two superpowers of the galaxy

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>YFW Bioware's MMO retconned Kreia into a kooky evil Sith Lord who just looked into too many holocrons.

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>that music when you enter the rebuilt jedi temple
absolutely bone chilling

>>381127045

Mandalorians "honored" themselves into virtual extinction because they couldn't stop picking fights with everyone they met.

>>381127646
But thats literally what she is and did

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>>381117426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6_gdBqWZI

>>381127646
It wasn't her. Nothing in the game proves that it was and it sounded/looked nothing like her.

did Kreia hate the Jedi or the Sith more?

>>381127170
>G0-T0
>bad
Stopped someone who never brought him out and heard his amazing bants with npcs.

>>381126945
Even your home, the ostensibly safest place in the whole Galaxy, is quite ominous and mysterious. Like, it's not your ship, it's Revan's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfsJTuNMkfE

>>381128031
sorry but he was terrible compared to the other droid friends

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>>381127697
Exactly, what's not to love about the classic Mandalorians? You, your buddies and a couple of blasters start an intergalactic war of conquest to see who puts up a good fight.

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>>381128215
>literally a muslim race
>Whats wrong with this guys?

>>381127902
Hates them both equally really.

Both sides betrayed her and her goal in the game is to show the jedi they were wrong and destroy the sith order (at the very least kill nihilus as he's the biggest threat in the galaxy). She didn't really care about sion, as she just sees him as a complete failure, he's just a test for the exile.

>>381126528
You make your party members into Jedi and they use what you taught them.

KOTOR 2 blows my mind every time I go back to it.

>receive the sonic imprint sensor on Peragus at the start of the game so you can escape from the station by recording the HK-50's voice
>use it throughout the rest of the game to translate alien languages
>turns out that the HK-50s have been following you using the sensor as a tracking device
>HK-47 follows the signal to its source and hunts down the HK-50s

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>>381128283
They're more like Mongols than Muslims

>>381127045
Kotor mandalorians were fine. part of the point of them was that they were inherently self destructive, and that their glories were fleeting.

Traviss mandalorians were utter cancer, and I'm glad they got retconned even before the Mouse took over

>>381128423
>all your students end up Sith
>only exception si maybe the Exile
>it's not my fault as a teacher! fuck the Jedi!
She really is a woman

>>381124323
I think youre looking at it from a pointlessly cynical perspective.

>he just self inserted his own opinion of star wars into this character
>we knew everything kreia was saying already

So why the fuck are you acting like they're pathetic? Because they tried to make a story that wasnt the exact same formula as every other star wars movie or game?

Star wars needs more media like KOTOR2. Its the only hope the franchise has of not being completely raped into oblivion in the coming decades by disney. Mark my words, all of you, you will look back at KOTOR2 as the last star wars game that tried to take on a plot that wasnt a remake of episode 4-6 or a side story explaining some tiny aspect of the story no one cared about. At least KOTOR2 attempted to challenge its own universe.

villains that are doing something for the majority but harm you and you have to fight the majority>villains that have the best wishes in mind but are going about it wrong>villains that are just straight up right

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>>381128630
>Traviss Mandalorians

Oh boy.

http://www.askajedi.com/2011/05/11/the-mandalorian-mistake/

>>381128630
Old Republic Mandalorians are the best, though they're cool as bounty hunters but what Traviss made them into was just too much.

>>381125709
The jedi are bad and the sith are even worse

>>381127698
That was Atris.

Man, I wanted to hatefuck her so bad. She'd probably enjoy the BSJC too

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they're going to make this into a tree symbol.
like it was always supposed to be a tree.

>>381128907
Shhh you're spoiling the bait

>>381126392
The root of all the problems in the star wars universe is the fucking jedi code.

>>381119545
>GGHHHLK 1 IS BUTTER SO 2 MAEK NO SEANS HRRRR HGHH GLLLK
Jesus Christ...

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>>381128821
>those mandofag comments
I wonder how they reacted when they found out about the retcon.
I wonder how they'll react to the possibility that Rey is Quarter Mandalorian

>>381108689

DUDE YOU'RE WRONG LMAO

Jedi: we believe in a higher power that is the force
Sith: we believe in our selves but we can only be fully realized through a higher power that is the force
Kreia: *autistic screeching*

>>381129123
>>The root of all the problems in the star wars universe is the fucking jedi code.
just like in real life

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>>381129212
I always thought the peace Mando retcon was a bit of a strange one, but later retcons improved them massively.

e.g. this event completely explaining what happened to cause the Mandos to become pacificists (or at least the leading faction of them)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Excision

>>381129312
there's no jedi code in real life

>>381129282
Jedi: christianity
Sith: Islam
both abrahamic/force religion

Kreia is basically Nietzsche saying tha the force is dead and people should outgrow it

>>381129406
metaphorically or something.

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>>381129493
stop being spooked by the force

>>381129394
I think Star Wars needs Mandalorians, well not specifically Mandalorians but non-Force users that can be dangerous. It spices things up in between lightsaber duels, that having control of the Force doesn't make them invincible. The setting is better off with FN-2199s, not necessarily more.

>>381128774
I mean, that's why she's so enamored with the exile, because he's the only one to embody her teaching and he did it all by himself to begin with

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>>381128629
Both are similar, the Mongols just beat them at their own game in the end.

>>381130087
Well in old canon the peace loving Mandalorians eventually get coup'd by the Mandalorian Protectors, who end up fighting the Jedi alongside the CIS. So the whole peace angle was just a retconned blip anyway.

>>381121903
absolutely horrifying

>>381130087
The problem there is that most EU material tended to have Jedi/Sith getting wrecked in various ways when they went in over their head. There doesn't really need to be people dedicated to being the designated guys to go against Jedi, because anyone who's generally competent can manage that quite well, so long as their opponent doesn't have plot armour.

Only the masters, like Yoda, Sheev et al, were untouchable by normal people, and that's how it should stay.

>>381121903
>it was all planned out, everything is something somethings someone something something

just make a fucking story in space about familly and friendship

jesus

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>>381126468

>>381130523
I agree there doesn't need to be a designated race of anti-Force guys, but more often than not the Mandalorians should be the ones who give Force users trouble. What I'm getting at is that it should be Mandalorians to show they're better than the common soldier, mercenary, bounty hunter, etc. not necessarily that they train to fight Jedi or Sith.

>>381121903
I'd like to think it's just people making leaps with sketchy evidence, and not questioning it because they think Disney is retarded enough to do it.
Normally I'd agree that they are, but it's in the Mouse's interest to at least attempt a good film, and a Force Tree would be the first thing anyone doing peer review would shoot down, right after Rey being a reincarnated avatar of Good.
Given the whole MaRey Sue debacle, they'd have to be retarded to double down on it even if Kathleen Kennedy would dearly love to.

>>381109802
>>381110315
>>381114329
Actually force sloth's are a thing. Its in the books about grand admiral thrawn. Except they disable all force around them

>>381133171
ysalamiri aren't giant sloths.
And if the leaks are true, one being the form taken on by Anakin Skywalker would make no sense whatsoever

>>381121303
I want to be a mommy gf (male)

>>381133642
Oh right, thats what they're called. From the books description it looked like sloths to me. But google pics shows me that they're more like reptiles

>>381133642
Is there any compendium of all the leaks?

>>381110783
Midichlorians were only an indicator of force sensitivity, not the cause.

>>381108689
>being an edgy, middle of the road, fence-riding, indecisive pussy "nihilist"

Straight up faggot-mode, OP.

>>381116681
Is that Ron Perlman

>>381135979
>i don't understand kreia: the post

>>381135979
>I'd rather pick the options that are clearly labelled good or evil, I can't look at situation and decide whats actually for the best based on experience and circumstance

>>381125546
>(but not M4-78)
So just ignore this altogether?

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>going grey actually fucks you over in 2

So annoying that despite the games themes ect, it's still so dependent on the alignment

>can't even enter the korriban cave if you're not light or dark and thus miss out on some of the best content

>>381139863
Yes.
it was a valiant effort, but the amateur Voice work and endless backtracking kills it.

>>381137973
>subjective morality meme
western decadence at its finest

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>>381116916
Was it this one anon?

>>381141259
Yeah, that's the post anon

>trailer is full edge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2a_xctbRw

>>381110136
Who was the writer, Avellone?

I heard they ruined her in the mmo as well.

>>381141794
jesus that trailer is literally
>THIS SUMMER
tier

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Here:
https://twitter.com/apeiron_kotor

>>381141105
Oh so if morality isn't subjective you must have all the answers then? Have you ever thought of writing your own bible? I mean how do I know what to do in any situation if you don't tell me?

>>381142763
How are those statues standing?
Force? Low gravity? Dumb design choices?