Are video games art, /v/?

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>>381093204

No

No

An art form is tied to culture and depicts the heart of the people/artist
Video games do nothing of the sort.

>>381093302
There have been many games that do that.

>>381093204
No. Also Ciri a shit and the worst thing about The Witcher.

Is chess art?
Is football art?
Is pingpong art?
Is poker art?

No, they're fucking games

>>381093354
Then you'll have no trouble listing those games and why they're an art form

>>381093354
bu-but they don't suport my argument

>>381093302
GTA5 is good satire of american culture does that count?

>>381093507
>America
>Culture

>>381093204
>>381093302
don't you ever get tired of the same fucking argument over and over again? or is this a thinly veiled Witcher thread?

>>381093204
Yes, obviously/

>>381093302
>an art form is tied to culture
Many games reflect cultures and even games today reflect our culture.

>depicts the heart of the people/artist
There are art made only to sell.

The pure definition of art is; "a big idea made into something physical"

>>381093204
Unlike most of these bitter faggots would like to refute the fact that video games are art, they're wrong. Yes they are art at their technical core. Artists work together to bring their ideas onto a digital medium. Hence why there's an art department.

>>381093601
Culture is literally everything created by people. That includes McDonalds, KKK and cousin marriage.

No.

>>381093204
Depends on the situation

Nothing nintendo is art

>>381093302
What is fantasy?

>>381093601
>implying the default culture of the world doesn't count as culture
It's like saying water had no taste, keep trying eurotard

>>381093204
they're entertainment.
you can make art out of entertainment, but most of the times it's not

>>381093204
It doesn't even matter at this point because the word "art" is already tied to post modernism. Everything is art and is not art at the same time. Who the fuck even cares. Just enjoy your games and stop thinking about what imaginary labels it has attached to it

more witcher art please

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>>381093204
depends on the game
>>381093391
did you just talk shit about my waifu

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>>381095241
Lore-friendly Ciri anyone?

>>381095381
any art will do

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Vidya is an applied art. Games are made for the purpose of making sales and keeping an entertainment business running, but that doesn't mean the people involved in development won't try to elevate it to something more than that.
>"but most of it is shit"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

>>381093428
Is act of playing an instrument art? Is dance art? Is performance of an actor is art?

>>381096224
Depends on the skill and quality involved.

It might be an Abomination instead.

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>>381093204
>Actual art theorist and oilpainter here.
Can it be art?
Yes
But they're not good art and may lack the capacity to ever be good.

Can art be conveyed through a videogame format to highlight the active spectator and engage a dialog between the art object and the audience? Yeah i dont see why not, but thats a tool not the point of a video-game, the same way that harry potter isint poetry because they both use the written word.

And even then i would still argue it would probably be shit art.
Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe, just because its not art doesnt take anything away from it much less so your enjoyment. Accept it what it is instead of hating what its not, dont go to a footy game and complain its not a spelling bee.
t.turtleneckbeard

>>381093292
wtf i love triss now

>>381093302
>No
>An art form is tied to culture and depicts the heart of the people/artist
Bitch that's complete and utter bullshit. The majority of famous paintings in western Europe were work of commission. They were made because the nigger making them had to make money, not because he was some altruistic faggot pouring his heart and soul into it. You gonna have to wait until expressionism before you can even begin to argue otherwise.

>>381093434
>and why they're an art form
Pure autism.

>>381093204
The West can't into art, so no.

>>381093204
It's art. The problem is that most brainlets compare it to books and videos, when it in fact should be compared to architecture or cooking.

>>381093204
Some videogames are art but most are simply products made to be consumed so aren't any more artful than a box of laundry powder.

>>381093434
Indie games
The Binding of Isaac
Inside
Shit like that

>>381093204
If art is subjective, which fags love to boast, then it is not art in my eyes because it is first and foremost a product meant to be bought and used. If art is a measure of technical prowess, then modern games are not art because their bugs and glitches are noticeable flaws that detract from the finished product. It would also just be a giant TECHNOLOGY thread where we jerk off over melting ice cubes.

I have yet to play a game where I considered it to be something more than just a means of entertainment. The closest I got was the OST in NieR: Automata because that shit was beautiful, but the game itself I would not consider art.

>>381097420

Id consider Ending E for automata to be at least something. Sure its heavy handed, its Japanese after all, but it does make an honest attempt to say something using its medium. It is derivative though, its basically End of Evangelion in an interactive form.

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>>381093204
Well considering that the majority of video games these days are either indie walking simulators or AAA mass-produced factory tat, I'd say........no

they're composed of art from different mediums but on the whole are not artistically sound

>>381096594

I don't think that they lack the quality to ever be good. It's that people haven't used it that way yet. A lot of RPGs and AAA titles try to make games like movies or novels. That's not how you would make a "Citizen Kane" level game.

Video games as an art form will come into their own when story is told through gameplay. And I don't mean scripted sequences, I mean through gameplay in its various aspects, not dialogue, not words, not cutscenes.

In Binding of Isaac one of the items you can get to improve stats is the Wooden Spoon. When you get it you move faster and have red spoon marks all over your body. It hints that Mom is physically abusing Isaac, therefore prompting him to run away, hence the speed improvement. It tells that mostly through gameplay, not by dialogue, cutscenes or any of that bullshit. That's how games will become art.

Also if you argument of "video games aren't art" can be transported to "novels aren't art" in the past, your argument might be bullshit.

>>381093204
This is like asking are paintings art
Some are
Journey is

>>381093204
it's not
i wish it was, that would mean it couldn't get censored anymore in germany

Is sex art?
Are we artist?

>>381095245

>that image

I know a guy who says shit like "oh my science!" instead of "oh my god"

hes also a self hating white person

>>381093856
>McDonalds
Irish name, it's claimed. Not American ""culture""
Probably would have worked if it was renamed to Chad Burgerstein.

>a youtube video of horse sex, a 60 second college film project, a documentary about sushi making, an advertisement for sears a/c, a 60 hour HBO drama, and a 2 hour film about fear of commitment are all videos

>therefore, movies are not art

This is how you sound.

Video games are as diverse in form and purpose as visual media. Some can be classified as art. Some maybe not. Stop lumping video games together.

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>>381102220
>Is sex art?
It is

>>381096317
>art is only art if it's good
Bad art is a thing, you know

Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts (artworks), expressing the author's imaginative or technical skill, intended to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power.

What is The witcher about?
Seems like a fun game

>>381093204
given how shit art is nowadays I wouldn't want to insult games by calling them art.

>>381093831
welcome to /v/, where we pretend to hate video games