Can we just talk about how good pic related is?

>>381088890
In comparison to what?

>>381088981
Nu-"RPG"s like PoE, and The Witcher 3

>>381089068
It was alright back then, because of the D&D license. All the Forgotten Realms and shit.
Now? Personally for me it just doesn't hold up anymore. Compared to 'recent' RPG I think Divinity Original Sin is doing things right.
Witcher (series, not just the last game) is a good game, but it is in its own league. PoE is different to BG in too many aspects to even compare.
You could compare BG to Tyranny and Pillars, but not the two you've mentioned.

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>>381088890
>BG3 by Beamdog

As soon as Imoen fucks off with the Wizards yeah this game is enjoyable.

>>381089068
Fuck off, Obsidian is doing gods work keeping cRPGs alive

>>381089449
BG2 holds up fine. Always fun to boot it up once a year to go on an adventure. So much character building, open ended quests, parties, etc... Now if you said that one doesn't hold up I'd agree. Too much low level dnd combat. Definitely holds up better than the Ultima or Fallout games. Also by PoE I mean Pillars.

>>381089068

>Nu-"RPG"s like PoE, and The Witcher 3

>Nu

Way to kill your own thread with faggotry.

>>381089676
>As soon as Imoen fucks off with the Wizards yeah this game is enjoyable.

this faggot again...

>>381089676
>Fuck off, Obsidian is doing gods work keeping cRPGs alive
Nope. Obsidian shat out one gem and it was New Vegas. A shit covered gem at that. Requiring so much mods just to make the damn thing playable without a crash. Pillars has had to have been one of the most dull experiences I've had the pain of playing through. Just dumping shitty fanfictions on me throughout the whole game. Josh "if it's not balanced it's not good" Sawyer is a hack. The White March was good I guess.

>>381089581

God no.

>>381089695
It does not. I mentioned that I feel that way, personally. Reason for that being I am much older now and I don't have the same tastes in games anymore.
The game is nearly 20 years old. I am older by that much now. Too much time passed reading books and playing tabletop games.
Sorry, I mistakenly assumed you've meant Path of Exile with PoE. My bad.

>>381089818
Some men want their eardrums punctured I guess

>>381089873
Strongly disagree. Combat is much better in PoE than any Baldurs Gate expansion, the maps are gorgeous. Subjectively I can't argue against you with stories, but what you're bitching about are anonymous town NPC's that you can run straight past, no problem.

Protip: buy or pirate the original games from GoG (comes free with the EE), and play on a CRT or just with a high res mod on your regular screen.
The EE might have been the perfect way to get these games on the iPad, but the revamped bilinearly scaled graphics look like blurry dogshit

>>381088890
Only if you write it in a pretty poor way then hire a godlike voice actor to salvage it, all the while capitalizing on the fact that you have zero competition because you're the only one holding the licence to make your kind of posts.

>>381090272
What

>>381090337
Baldurs Gate writing sucks, their voice actors are awesome, and they get away with everything because nobody else has the forgotten realms license.

>>381090337
Have you played Baldur's Gate 2?

>>381090387
>>381090424
How does the writing suck? It's bad. I mean It's not Torment quality but it gets the job done.

>>381088890
The only part i hate is fighting mages.
They always start fights with one gorillion spell resistances and you have to memorize which counterspell counters what.

Which game is better, Baldur's Gate 1 or 2? I played a bit of the first, but was a wee bit annoyed that they gave your character a backstory for you.

>>381090521
How is it bad? It's fantasy, if you want to read about some philosophy dilemmas, get a book.

BG2 combat is Catch-22: if you don't know what you're doing it's chaotic and you die in a second, but if you know what you're doing it's piss easy and you one-shot bosses.
This game is only fun on repeated playthroughs with some self-imposed challenges. I never tried playing it ironman style, probably tedious and impossible.

>>381090763
I actually meant to say it's not bad.

>>381090738
1 has better companions and arguably story, 2 has better everything else - quests, combat, locations etc

>>381090738
They give you a typical crpg backstory,
other than being Gorion's pupil nothing is stablished,same as fallout starting with you living in vault 13.

>>381088890
is this actually good or is like PoE or any other Obsidian game that you have to like to be considered a "real" and "smart" videogame player?

>>381091056
No, you can actually enjoy bg.

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>that shit guard that won't let you sleep or cast magic in the city

>>381091056
No it's genuinely good. No game gives you such a large amount of content and replayability. Along with the sense of classic fantasy adventure done right. Obsidicucks will deny this but most likely have never even touched a single black isle game.

>>381088890
I can dance on the head of a pin, as well.

>>381090387
The writing is serviceable except sometimes your 10 int character is forced to act like a complete retard sometimes.
This is specially true in throne of bhaal, seriously fuck throne of bhaal.

>>381088890
in all honesty without a single iota of irony or without the feeblest attempt at shitposting or baiting, with complete sincerity and the sole intention of instigating a legitimate discussion, and absolutely no contrarianism involved - looking back BG2 is pretty fucking overrated. in all ways except sheer scope, its a very average CRPG

>>381091539
Name three above average CRPGS or it's bait.

>>381091617
Fallout 2
Arcanum
Tyranny

>>381091539
I must agree, baldur's gate 1 and 2 really lack in reactivity unlike fallout 1 & 2.
It's still a really fun game.

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*blocks your pathfinding*

>>381089890
As soon as I saw that nigger, I didn't even mind finishing up the quest and killed her right after the transformation.

>>381091714
>Fallout 2
ok
>Arcanum, Tyranny
no, fuck off

So, having one RPG better than you means you're average now?

>>381090790
>Spend half an hour banging my head against the wall trying to figure out what the fuck I need to do for a specific enemy or fight
>finally work it out and it's actually easy as shit

>>381091919
Arcanum is far better than baldur's gate in everything except the combat though.

>>381092046
Baldur's Gate also has
>better setting
>better companions
>better villain
What does Arcanum have? Better music?

>>381091982
Your average fight with lich on the first playthrough.

>>381088890
great graphics and story

Everyone who claims that BG2 isn't at least one of top 3 WRPGs of all time is factually wrong.

>>381088890
I prefer NWN

I love how the dragon slaying was done in the game.
>getting to the dragon usually involves long, foreboding quest
>none of the dragons are outright hostile, you always get prep time and to attack first
>dragons seem to be the only enemies in the game with working AI and you can't click circle your way through it Starcraft-style
>fights actually feel epic and exhausting with tons of shit flying from both sides, since they're not just elemental pokemons, but masterful magic users

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Left or right?

>>381092919
Both are awful

>>381092349

Better role playing.

>>381092919
Right. Always hated the classic female portraits. Everyone looks like a 50 year old roastie. Pretty sure Imoen is supposed to be like 20 something but her portrait makes her look 40.

>>381092919
Right

>>381090763
>it's fantasy so it doesn't have to be good
Genre fiction writer here, get cancer and die.

>>381092349
>better setting
Fuck off.

>>381093249
>Genre fiction writer here
Post your novel fag

>>381093249
>it's only good if you shove philosophy concepts into it

>>381093364
You don't like Forgotten Realms?

>>381093249
>Genre fiction writer here
Joseph is that you? Where's the next video, bitch?

>>381092349
>better setting
Lol forgotten realms.
>better companions
Jesus christ no.
>better villain
Emo elf on a temper-tantrum, only justified in his ire in that everyone else involved in the plot is a short-sighted imbecile? Irenicus' voice actor was great. Irenicus himself sucked.

>>381093542
It's the most generic setting there is, nothing wrong with that but i vastly prefer arcanum's victorian setting.

>>381092919
Left, right doesnt even look like her.

>>381093665
>>381093683
Forgotten Realms is generic but it's also very well realized. Arcanum's setting is completely nonsensical. Sometimes more original doesn't mean better.

>>381091539
I think the fact alone that BG2 manages to keep its level of quality throughout the entire game's length is fucking impressive.

But I also disagree wholeheartedly that any aspect of the game is average. You go through so many different locations, talk to so many different characters, deal with such varied scenarios and you have so fucking many combat options

The only flaw is that you have to play through ToB to get the full conclusion.

>>381093848
>nonsencical
What?
The only reason forgotten realms is more realized is because there are millions of novels set in it and arcanum only has one game.

>>381094005
>The only reason forgotten realms is more realized is because there are millions of novels set in it and arcanum only has one game.
Exactly. It's not even a competition.

>>381093525
>I've never read a decent book in my life so I assume the only possibilities are 'pulpy trash' and 'pretentious drivel'
Bioware writing is garbage tier.

>>381091827
You did the right thing.
Fucking overpowered garbage and for some reason as a good person you're not forced to kill her.
You fucking watch her murder someone you know is mind controlled and you aren't forced to fight her.
Fucking beyond retarded.

>>381094073
Most of those novels are pretty poor, though, and describe a world far more nonsensical and arbitrary than that of Arcanum.

>>381094120
>the only possibilities are 'pulpy trash' and 'pretentious drivel'
That's exactly how you're acting while calling bg2 writing as garbage tier.

>>381094120
No games have good writing. It's a meme

>Baldurs Gate Series
Awesome Music
Colorful locales
Good variety of D&D fantasy creatures both good and evil
Simple but engaging story
Villain isn't a total splerg
Only game where spell system was jacked up to the max and its still fun as fuck
Jacked up RPG mechanics.

>With Imouto Mod
Questionable wincest
Plugs the gaping hole in the story where your kid sister, enduring tons of torture was suddenly chirpy right after
Wincest

9/10.

>>381095489
Sadly, Imoen and MC are just half siblings, which isn't the real deal wincest.

>>381095140
Go back to your /lit/ shed

>>381096117
What are some games with good writing?

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>>381095489
>wanting to romance Imoen
>having Imoen in your party, ever, period

>>381089068
Good post.

>>381096196
Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn

>>381096086
Which makes me wonder why mod author didn't change it so they have same mother. He only had one fucking job.

>>381096220
Imoen's actually one of the best characters because she is a slot-saver, its either her or Jan.

>>381096196
Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

>>381096507
Duo mage run with Imoen.

>>381096423
The mod would probably be blacklisted or some shit by the community, even with a god-as-father which is no fucking big deal in the Lore Setting it triggered tons of faggots.

I can't enjoy Baldur's Gate, but I can still play and enjoy Fallout, Icewind Dale or Planescape Torment, how can I make myself play it normally?

>>381097072
>I can't enjoy Baldur's Gate
>I can still play and enjoy Icewind Dale
Convince yourself that there can be other decent game devs besides black isle.

>>381088890
Good game, still holds up pretty well even though like everyone else said, the combat is catch 22.

I enjoyed the first Baldurs Gate, but Baldurs Gate 2 seem to get the story going more.

Either way, it's a pc version of AD&D and I like that.

>>381096196
Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
Neverwinter Nights 2 itself, come to think of it

>>381095016
No, you illiterate little mongoloid.

>there are people that think Icewind Dale was better
>there are people that think NWN2 and expansion were better

BG2 has pretty good writing
Even if the story is pretty forgettable, the actual dialogue between characters is good (ignoring the romance obviously), playing it after reading all the tryhard lore-dumps in PoE felt like a breath of fresh air

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>>381097702
>ignoring the romance obviously

>>381088890
>fallout 2
>baldurs gate 2
>planescape
why were old rpgs so good and nu-rpgs are such garbage?

>>381097879
>REEE FUCK ROMANCE! IT'S PANDERING GARBAGE!
>let me make a black race just to pander to diversity
Why is he such a hypocrite?

>>381098049
Mass Effect killed cRPGs.

>>381098129
>let me make a black race
What?

>>381088890
I wish the modding scene wasnt so dead and gay

>>381096423
>Mod maker gives you a multiple romance option.
Actually this is like the only romance mod i know that did this.

>>381098273
read about his thought process beyond the black venetians in PoE

>>381098049
Divinity: OS 2 and ELEX will make RPG great again

>>381088890
I'm on Mellisan right now with a Cleric, a Thief/Mage, and a Sorcerer and I'm getting fucking wrecked. Any tips?

>>381098445
Why would I care?

>>381098612
abuse wish

>>381095489
The Imoen Romance modification has an almost legendary reputation here.

Too bad the game came out before people did porn for everything.

>>381098456
Divinity: OS 2, hell yes, beta is perfect, but ELEX no, thank you, that jetpack is killing all the fun.

>>381097072
I can understand that. I started liking IWD more but forced myself through a heavily modded BGT playthrough and now I prefer BG to IWD but the only reason for that are mods.

>>381098656
then don't reply to me asking "what?", retard

>>381098816
No, he's asking why he should care about the intent of a designer as opposed to the final product itself.

>>381098612
She doesn't care about timestop, right?
If you got there with mage only party you're pretty fucked. I remember just poking her to death through sheer force of will

>>381098194
Interplay killed cRPGs- You would know this if you started gaming before th 360.
>>381098456
>>381098754
>Divinit: OS 2
Lol, shills are back

>>381096220
man, this faggot is like really mad. I guess that was faggotry does.

>>381097879
Having NPCs fall in love with a player character who doesn't talk or do anything but click on shit to make it die will never not be ridiculous

BG2 is amazing but so is Witcher 3

>>381098456
D:OS is shit

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>>381098964
What if he's a bhaalspawn from an ancient prophecy?

>>381098901
well, I wasn't talking about the final product but about the behavior of a dev

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>>381099000
>D:OS is shit

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>>381089068
that's a pointless comparison. you might as well compare it to menzoberranzan then. rpgs are not all the same, not even in the sub-type like isometric ones.

>>381091280

Well- I mean, shit, 10 int man.

>>381099057
So they are heritage diggers?

>>381091982
Well yeah, because the game expects you to A) read the manual or B) already be familiar with AD&D. It was a different and games had a learning period as opposed to intuitively understanding everything because it's so streamlined.

>dat feel when THAC0 still confuses people to this day
It doesn't help it's one of those things that are easier to show in practice than explain, but still.

>>381099098
he is right, no one even cared about it until the next epic kickstarer for true cRPG fans™ started

>>381098934
> if you started gaming before th 360.
Asshole, I started gaming with NES. And yes, Interplay had fuckups, and cRPG genre was getting stale, but there were still great games, and Mass Effect really hit the last nail in the coffin.

>>381099382
I liked Mass Effect back in the day. Tried it again a few weeks ago and it's fucking shit. I guess I was expecting more of an RPG like DAO which I also played again recently and thought was really good, but Mass Effect is just a brainless shooter.

>>381088890
I have never played anything that does high level magic combat as well as this. The myriad of spells, status effects, defenses and so on combine into something truly unique.

The BG series is so weird. BG2 is arguably the best game in the series, but the most unnecessary in terms of the overall Bhaalspawn story.

>>381099536
>high level magic combat as well as this
You mean as tedious?

WRPGs were never good.

>>381099382
>Asshole
No need to be this rude

>>381098964
Maybe she likes the way he clicks on shit and her pussy becomes wet when he makes them die.

>>381100217
Sorry

>>381098934
>everyone have played every platform ever

>>381100162
t. fan of a genre which was ripped from a single wrpg

>>381088890
Sure just roll a 4d4 for initiative, then roll your attack of 3d6+2 against the mods ranged AC-6, but first cast your 17 buffs. Oh wait, you're out of casts on your [Power Word: Shitpost], better head back to the inn to sleep and recharge it.

Okay, ready...

*miss*
*miss*
*miss*

Go back to your mother's basements you neckbearded DnD faggots.

>>381091714
Fuck off. Arcanum's gameplay is so bad that I will never consider it above average.

>>381101209
>playing cRPG for the gameplay
you are the problem

>>381101306
I don't give a single shit about how good your story is when playing the game is like pulling teeth. If you had any sense you wouldn't, either.

>>381101306
>playing game for the gameplay
>problem
neo-nu-/v/ is real.

>>381101306
I hate people that play RPGs of any kind for combat.

>>381090058
not him but i replayed it last september and it was good far better than Pillars and DOs

>>381101353
Pathologic.

>>381100723
Fuck off Preston.

Why can't I into BG lads? I loved Fallout 1 despite it being older and arguably worse combat wise but I just can't play BG for more than 10 minutes without quiting.

>>381101704
BG games have shitty starts and you pretty much have to force yourself to get through the rough beginnings.

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>>381101704
bg1 is terrible desu, skip straight to bg2 and read up on what happened

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>>381101704
Baldur's Gate is very combat heavy unlike Fallout and it's a decent challenge again unlike Fallout. Maybe try 2 but you should try to stick with the first game, it's much better at the feeling of pic related than 2.

Couldn't put down Amn until I finished it The rest of the BG games felt pretty lame in comparison.

>>381101353
>>381101393
cRPG all have shit gameplay outside of the RPG elements
FO1 and 2 might as well be the worst turn based games in history
RTWP system is an abomination that never worked except maybe for KOTOR 1 and 2
playing cRPG for anything outisde of RPG elements is a terrible idea to begin with

What do the "Enhanced Editions" add/change?

>>381103038
So there's no reason to play cRPGs?

>>381103225
Better UI and resolution, some OC donut content that autists like to screech about even though it's skippable.

>>381103546
So they are completely unnecessary? That's good to know.

How's BG2 compared to BG1? I really liked BG1, but the last couple of hours were really boring, I liked exploring the map and doing the early quests/side quests much more.
Also, I heard that two of my main party members are dead and/or gone in BG2

Anyone know where I might find cheap Fallout 1 and 2 big boxes?

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Best character reporting

>>381103362
No. Go play an actual roleplaying game with your friends.

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>>381103703
bg2 is amazing, just play it m8

I want a good rpg story/characters/quests with dragons dogma combat. Is that too much to ask for?

>>381103362
story
interactions
interactivity with the world
etc.
everything except the combat basically

>>381104062
Are there any good replacements for nigress mage and Coran in a good party? I especially liked Coran being both a good thief and amazing at ranged combat, while still fitting in a good party. I guess the good thing about no nigress mage is that I don't need Minsc in my party anymore.

>>381104350
Same
I'm just waiting for Cyberpunk and the IP that Obsidian is working on that isn't Pillars.

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BG2 is the best game of all time. I'm not even memeing.

>>381104527
The contrast of quality between BG1 and 2 is fucking astounding

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>>381104634
It's a rare game where they just fixed everything wrong with the original.

>>381104527
>no serevok

Ya, he wouldn't tolerate this Tumblr bullshit

>>381104527
>google "aroflux"
>Fluctuates between periods of experiencing romantic attraction and not experiencing it.
Love these made up SJW terms for mundane things, like being moody. Agender is just a retardspeak for tomboy I suppose.

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>>381088890
>>381089068
Well the game has its flaws, but yeah I would enjoy a game that has the courage to go into that direction.
I dont need fucking voice overs, I want to roleplay anyway.

>>381091204
>Not playing Neutral Evil
>Not just fucking their shit up
Its like you dont want free loot and xp from the mages who port in to stop you.

What's better? Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Good?

>>381091204
that's why you bribe them to leave you the fuck alone

>>381105376
God that ring is so good and worth it. I always loved that most of the best items are actually behind challenging encounters and rarely just handed to you.

>>381104527
>Minsc
>gay
>not zoo
Utter travesty.

>>381104527
I guess beamdog already hired that artist

>>381103038
All of that is just your opinion, not a facts.

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reminder that if you didnt romance pic related you have shit taste

>>381108538
I saved her from the stake just to push her onto Keldorn's sword

>>381108927
How's your wife's son doin'?

How does Icewind dale 1 and 2 compare? I have never heard anyone on /v/ talk about them.

>>381110037
You're probably unlucky and keep missing crpg threads.
1st game is like baldur's gate in terms of mechanics and has heavy emphasis on fights. Fairly long + 2 expansions
2nd is based on d&d 3.0, fights are balanced by story, not that polished, but arguably more fun.

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Is this accurate?

>>381110790
Keldorn is high tier since inquisitor kit.

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>>381110790
get out

>>381110939
>Keldorn High Tier

>Can't have Edwin or Viconia in the same group

Keldorn is painfully average because of that.

>>381098964
>who doesn't talk
???
Charname does plenty of talking.

>>381110790
I've never used haer'dalis, is he that good?

>>381111195
>Best Tank
>Best DPS
>Can wield Carsomyr +6 once he gets Abilities
>Can use Protection Spells to become immune to spells and Magical Weapons
>Enchanced Bard Song

Haer Dalis, like Jaheira are broken as fuck when during end game + ToB. Haer Dalis is the best tank against Amelyssan

>>381104432
nalia is a good mage and valygar is good ranger

>>381111195
Not really.

>>381101937
Not really. Most players can't stand BG1 because they can't stand being game's little bitches. Low level AD&D is an acquired taste.

>>381110790
>nalia and haer-gaylis that high
>korgan, keldorn and viconia that low

>>381110790
>Cernd and Viconia not in low tier
>the two guy with "i win button" not in high tier
>thief in low tier when they have access to the op as fuck traps
Not accurate at all

Why do people hate Nalia with passion?

If you are a skilled player you know that you can increase her thieving skills with potions and the spell, Luck. She can use Short Bows which is always a great plus in any given situation

Not to mention she is a pure class mage who can learn Horrid Witting, Time Stop, Spell Sequencer and Disintegrate.

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>>381088890
overated and boring nice bate
pic related is better in every aspect, much more enjoyable rpg experience

>>381110790
>Clerics not shit tier
>Valygar not high tier

Nalia is pretty spot on. She is my 6th party member because a 3rd mage is always useful.

>>381111367
>Can wield Carsomyr +6 once he gets Abilities
What will be his thac0 without proficiencies?
I feel like fighter/mage is way better than blade kit.

>>381111831
Every writer and voice actor that worked on this game should be executed.

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>check some companion mod
>paladin with two points in two handed sword

>>381111947
>a 3rd mage is always useful
I think good fighters are more important, they do all the dirty job.

>>381110790
why does everyone hate anomen? i always have him in my squad each run

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>Minsc is a Ranger
>++ on 2H Swords
>Rangers get free ++ on 2 Weapons
>In ToB you get a Ranger cloak that gives you bonus for Off-Weapon

Why did the game developers trick you to have Minsc with 2H weapons? He is meant to have Long Swords or Axes. In ToB you give him Bastard Swords for Foebane +5.

>>381112363
He's a whiny faggot and Viconia make their pee pee feel funny

>>381111630
Most players on /v/ only play games for min/maxing purposes and only talk about 'awesome' stuff that applies to the last 5% of the trilogy.

>>381111630
>>381112363
I think people hate their personalities.

>>381110790
Korgan is amazing with his high constitution as he regenerates, Keldorn is also essential with chrom fayer for most parties. Amoen is decent with the wisdom buff after his quest and yoshimo is worth it just for the story and his twist (and later heart related twist)

>>381112185
wait why
you get to explore a enormous island, fight dragons and be a Paladine, also intresting NPCS
i dont get it realy but it bet thats because ur morroshit fan where u have to roll dice to take a shit

>>381112363
Clerics are useless in BG2. At least Druids have Insect Plague that makes them worthwhile.

>>381090884
>1 has better companions
u wot.
BG1 companions were barebones as fuck, because it was originally supposed to be a character meatgrinder

>>381112645
Every NPC talks like a 10-year-old wrote their dialogue, and then that same 10-year-old voice acted them.
But other than that the game is good.
> bet thats because ur morroshit fan
great

>>381110790
Holy fuck how did you manage to get it literally 100% wrong?

>>381091204
Step 1: Cast mass invisibility
Step 2: Run offscreen the moment you see where they're teleporting, letting their Wizard's eye spell slow them down before they pursue
Step 3: Spam AOEs in their general direction
Step 4: Steal all their shit

>First time playing Mage solo

>Forced to spam protections spells so I don't die from traps
>Forced to use Invinsibility + Haste on hard parts to skip them due to lack of level
>Use Magic Resistance + Greater Malison + Disintegrate Spam on Golems and Dragons
>Use Skeleton Warriors + Haste on mobs
>Icestorm + Cloudkill + Web spam on Beholders
>Get Abilities during Spellhold
>Every fight gets way too easy now with a Planetar
>Take out Irenicus with Spell Immunity to Necromancy and Spam Horrid Witting with TIme Stop

What do you think of PoE II? I'm interested in how they'll make stealth, it looks like rogue characters could finally be a viable choice.

>>381089581
reminder that you aren't allowed to kill her for murdering your new found friend right in front of you, and she has an invulnerability trigger until the conversation is over, whereby you're forced to accept her into the party, if only for a brief moment.
great contribution to the game.

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>>381101306
>>381103038
RPG ELEMENTS IN A ROLE PLAYING GAMES ARE THE BIGGEST PART OF THE FUCKING GAMEPLAY.
THAT'S LIKE BITCHING ABOUT A FPS BECAUSE THE SHOOTING MECHANICS ARE OBSTRUCTING THE GAMEPLAY
YOU RETARDED FUCKING FAGGOT.

>>381113571
bg1 and bg2 are too open world to play in the modern age, there's just too much places to go, and the quests are far too spread out.
did the designers never hear about quest hubs?
overall, bg1 and bg2 are inferior crpgs because they focus too much on rpg elements instead of gameplay.
also, the sword coast is a terrible, bland setting, and D&D is for grognards.

>>381113793
>agrees with me
>calls me a retard
????

>>381098964
yeah right, why would a woman ever love a powerful and rich man? completely nonsensical, right?

>>381113807
>also, the sword coast is a terrible, bland setting, and D&D is for grognards.
When will we see LotR RPG?

>mfw seeing playthroughs with Good and Evil party members in the same group

I fucking hate if you do this. Have some decency to ROLE PLAY.

Oh and Paladins don't like Druids. So don't have Keldorn with Jaheira or Cernd in the same party. It's fucking stupid.

>>381114079
>CN M/F/T PC
>Imoen
>Viconia
>Aerie
>Jaheira
does the harem trigger you?

>>381114337
just throw in saerileth for good measure

>>381113807
>bg1 and bg2 are too open world to play in the modern age, there's just too much places to go, and the quests are far too spread out.
in 1 sure, your quest density is maybe 2-3 per wilderness square (way more in FAI and BG city (and that works, walking around aimlessly is the meme genre of the 2010's)), but you couldn't be more wrong about 2.
Hell, the #1 complaint about 2 is that you can't go thirty feet without someone you just met to petition you to kill and arch wizard or steal an ancient artifact from the grand dragon.

>>381113954
except the women in the game don't love you for your power and riches, it's written like a normal wholesome romance with a non-present player character

>>381114337
That's exactly my first party + Minsc.

I like icewind dale a lot, its all about the combat in a linear fasion. id recommend playing iwd before bg I & II for new players. learn the combat, then afterwards play bg on core rules or harder

>>381113195

Spell Immunity is god tier

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reminder that the imoen romance mod is a master piece and you need to play through BG2 SoA and ToB with it.

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>>381114484
First party stories?

>Cleric / Fighter Half Elf with Dual Wield Flails
>Jaheira
>Minsc
>Imoen
>Aerie
>Nalia


>Jaheira is only for Insect Plague and Fire Elementals
>Nalia, Imoen and Aerie have all the same spells
>Fireball + Breach spam the entire game

>mfw

>>381111367
>Best Tank

I don't know how you can say this with a straight face, it's laughable how little health he has

>>381115272
>Protection from Magical Energy
>Defensive Spin
>Keep casting Defensive Spin & Protection from Magical Energy when it runs off
>???
>PROFIT

>>381090594
>spellthrust
>maybe another spellthrust if he has a spellshield
>breach
>Contingency: Stoneskin
>another breach

>>381115589
How do you remove protection from magical weapons from a lich? It's immunte to breach.

>>381090594
Just use True Sight + Breach and have Minsc attack the mage.

Once you get better you know which spells to use.

>>381115434
>gets hit once
>dies

Is it better than 1? I like to play series in chronological order, but I was kinda bored with 1 because the characters and world weren't very interesting and the general slog that is low level AD&D

>>381115716
Pierce Magic / Shield

Use Spell Immunity: Necromancy, against Liches.

>>381115975
Much like BG1 the beginning of the game is the hardest.

Once you get level up the game keeps getting better.

>>381092831
>dragon sits there for literal weeks while your retarded gnome buddy fails to set traps for the dozenth time
>proceeds to walk right on top of all those traps it saw the exact locations of and dies in one second

>>381116094
The game is only hard if you don't know what quests you are 'supposed' to do first.

>>381115975
You pretty much need a walkthrough unless you are fond of randomly running into golems immune to 99% of everything you have.

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>Play with the most imaginable class: Thief / Cleric Dual Class
>Have the worst characters in your party: Cernd and Mazzy
>Still manage to beat the game

>>381115990
>Spells affected by Pierce Magic are Minor Spell Deflection, Minor Spell Turning, Spell Deflection, Spell Turning, Minor Globe of Invulnerability, Spell Immunity, and Globe of Invulnerability

>>381116369
*play with the worst imaginable class

>>381110790
Mazzy is so underrated and I don't know why. She gets free Haste, Strength, and Lay on Hands and Invoke Courage has it's uses. She's also amazing with Gesen's Bow and whatever melee weapon you decide to spec her in.

>>381116369
Mazzy is far from worst. She will probably wreck Keldorn 1x1.

>>381116529
Ranged is a pain in the ass to play with.

>>381115006
>human shapeshifter with evenly distributed attributes
>Minsc
>Jaheira
>Yoshimo (later replaced by Imoen)
>Aerie
>Cernd

>everyone with divine spells only used cure wound type spells
>everyone with arcane spells only used simple attack spells (magic missiles, melf's acid arrow, etc)
>everyone with werewolf form used werewolf form
>all non-arcane classes went into battle using melee
>ranged weapons were never used

I have no idea how I got through the game.

>>381116857
Yeah, using auto attack is so hard

>>381115716
Inquisitor dispel

>>381117070
As the game goes on, melee attacks end up doing the most work. Most fighter builds are able to tank mages until their spells run out.

>>381088890
On underage millenial everything that didn't come out in the last 2 years is old shit and unplayable /v/?

Sure why not. Edwina is cute.

>First time playthrough
>Rescue Haer Dalis
>Fall into those gaping mouth holes
>Take out Warden without ever disabling the slave collars

I managed to do it but man, was it hard.

>>381115716
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/SpellsReference/SpellProtections.htm

>>381118130
Pfmw is a combat protection

>>381115990
>>381117309
>>381118130
>all those that haven't played the game

>>381115716
Unmodded, you can't remove them. You have to outlast them or use high-level damage spells.

>>381118487
You can. Breach works. It ignores all immunities, including the lich's immunity to level 5 spells.

>>381118875
I played EE and it didn't work, maybe they fixed it.

>>381118875
Breach doesn't work unless you install SCS and even then it's buggy.

>>381118487
Dispel Magic works on lich though and since Inquisitor dispel at twice their level it usually remove everything
>>381118875
It doesn't

I have never beaten Draconis without being cheesy

>True Sight
>Time Stop
>Shapesift into Mind Flayer
>Eat his brains

Fuck that boss.

>>381119053
>Dispel Magic works
It does? I always assumed immunity to level 5 spells also included level 3 spells.

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>>381088890
I don't care what the other idiots might say, that's the best game I have ever played to and where I have the best memories.
The first time I saw Firkraag was just awesome.

>>381118991
>>381119007
>>381119053

That is because spell trap eats up to 30 points of spells, which means you would need to use 7 breaches to successfully breach a lich. Or just ruby ray of reversal followed by breach if you don't want to waste all your spells.

>>381088890
I seriously hope Obsidian have their shit together with PoE 2.

>>381091794
This place is such a nice surprise though. You think you have seen it all and you end up in the skin of a Dark Elves trying to avoid getting fucked by Pharae.

>>381119417
What are you on about? Are you sure you are not just waiting out the PFMW spell while trying to cast unneeded spells?

>>381115006
> first encounter with Firkraag
> "well I'll just send my melee characters while Edwin and my priest just wait behind"
> Firkraag proceeds to blow all my melee characters to the other side of the map
> he goes for Edwin
> literally explodes him with only one shot
> true death, impossible to bring him back

I had no idea how to use a mage nor fight a dragon.

Hey, the guy who posted his Berserker run in BG Trilogy on /v/ for a few weeks - if you're reading this... You were fun, hope you're having more adventures.

>>381122220
What gaem?

>>381122402
Temple of Elemental Evil (with Circle of 8 modpack).

>>381122438
Lewd!

>>381122619
Not to mention ugly!

>>381123063
You don't need to look at her face when you put it in her butt.

>>381089802
t. nu-male

>>381122438
reminder that you can fuck her

>>381124312
Wat?

>>381090058
i actually played BG 2 in 2013 when i was 15 and it is one of my favorite games of all time tbqh

>>381091794
def my favorite part of the game

>>381113358
I hated that so much, especially with Minsc and his favored enemy fucking vampires standing right goddamn there.

>>381124312
what mod?

>>381090884
This is literally the first time I've ever seen anyone claim that BG1 had better companions than 2.

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>>381110790
I always take Ja Jansen if only for his dialogue

its not though

one shitty thing about baldur's gate 2 is the constant mage duels,like how they didn't do that shit in icewind dale

>>381124943
>>381124521
romantic encounters

>>381125170
You can just get a wand of cloudkill and all mages are dealt with for the entire game.

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What other good RPGs can I play with just my integrated graphics and without lowering graphical settings?

>>381125798
NWN

>>381125798
arcanum

>>381125798
Shadownrun.

>>381125798
fallout 1 and 2,divine divinity,diablo 1,icewind dale,nox

>>381089695
Wait. It holds up better than fallout 1/2 ?!

I should try this baldurs gate.

>>381125934
Not the same guy, but how would you get into NWN? Is one significantly better than the other? Can you play one without the other?

>>381128471
Skip the OC play the Shadow of Unrentide and Hordes of the Underdark
I wouldn't bother playing it desu

>>381093106
several months of physical and psychological torture would probably make you look a bit older

>>381128110
depends on our opinion. BG games aren't turn based and more battle focused, but also have better companion system and suffer less age related problems like NPCs permanently blocking you in small areas

>>381099530
Well the best thing is that brainless shooter is the best rpg game that they could shit out...

The problem are the fkn consumers. Way to braindead from all the shooters or way to exhausted from work. Crpg will never make a great comeback as long as this shit continues.

>>381129074
>fkn consumers
What's that?

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>>381128471
the graphics in nwn 1 are... not good and the campaign is pretty crappy

BG2 is a great little hack n' slash...until you enter the Underdark and it becomes a linear hack n' slash.

>>381110790
Korgan is god tier with a couple of good attribute boosting items and his berserk that makes immune to almost everything

>>381129665
And the ruleset is pretty shit.

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>>381127621
>an RPG
>not fantasy
>set on alt-Earth, even

good joke, anon, good joke

>>381130101
?

>>381130449
sci-fi RPG's are the worst idea anyone's had since chink RPG's

>>381130610
Why?

Consolepleb here
how do I into this genre?
I'm mostly use to Final fantasy and I've only played a few of them

>>381130784
Because shooting someone in the head 20 times with a laser pistol is dumb, and because sci-fi RPG's as well as wargames like WH40k are actually fantasy settings carried over into the future, except for the fact that everything looks worse (dreary futuristic cities and deserts instead of lush medieval landscapes). Sci-fi and post-apocalyptic RPG's have nothing to do with sci-fi novels and owe everything to D&D, only that everything is wilfully made uglier.

>>381131001
>how do I into this genre?
What do you mean? Pick one and play it

>>381131001
Fallout 1, 2 or New Vegas
Divinity: Original Sin
Dragon Age: Origins
Morrowind
Icewind Dale 1, 2
Planescape Torment
Pillars of Eternity
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 1, 2

>>381131183
Okay, you proved your point.
You are now our leader.
BAN ALL non fantasy RPGs!

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>>381088890
How do i get into playing BG? I love books. I love playing tabletop D&D. But every time i try to start playing BG i just cant get past first couple days. Its just so damn boring to me reading tons of text and having all those party members all over my ass that i dont really want. Of course i tell them to go fuck themselves but it doesnt fit my character.

Also why do i have to start as some faggot that has a human mage for a father? Why couldnt it be like DA:O where i could select my own origin

>>381132348
You're his ward, not his biological son

>>381132348
But BG is 90% combat. It's a literal hack n' slash series of games. Stop smoking pot for a week, OP, it'll improve your concentration.

>>381132348
>tons of text
>bg

Pillars of Eternity was dogshit. I hated it.

The "Gold Characters" ruined it and the whole thing just felt like some kind of student project writing wise. Good presentation and graphics, and gameplay was kind of OK too. It just felt limp in comparison to me though frankly.

>>381129841
I wouldn't say so. You can do things in underdark in several different ways too. Its perfectly possible to ignore Adalon for and just leave immedietaly after she casts her illusion.

>>381133162
>zero editing
>trash mobs everywhere
>shitty 15 seconds buff
What a mess