What went wrong?

>>381079091
Suramar city is the worst designed city in the game who the fuck wants to walk around disguised the entire time and chased down by every npc if they catch you fuck blizzard and fuck wow.

It's just natural death of MMOs. You can't make a good game in this genre anymore.

1. Artifact power
2. Legendaries
3. World quests are generally repeats of quests you've already done

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>>381079372
STOP RIGHT THERE MOTHERFUCKER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWb0_WW15is

>>381079091
I remember when this game first came out and /v/ ate it up and now once again the cycle repeats

There are still people in 2017 that think World of Warcraft is good I mean

it isnt good

Titan forge and ap grind thats it

>>381079372
>>381079996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfHdZrmMAw

>>381079372
It's a great place to grind the new pickpocket stuff for rogue. Can just sap the enemies that can detect you anyway.

>>381079372
Actually Suramar is well designed as a fucking city, not some "lol random 5 buildings and we'll call it city from wc1-3".

And if not for sentries, you would complain about how bad designed it is, because one of the most dangerous hero run around suramar capital without problem

>>381079091
they nerfed my bear damage for no reason which made dailies even more tedious and slow.

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Face it: the game has to fix the massive stores of gold, and the only way to do that is by turning it into a sandbox (which is simple).

>>381079897
>legendaries that low
Fuck you.

>>381080631
>this autist actually made an image for his suggestions

>>381079745
>EVE Online
Inb4 memes. If you have no argument, how about getting some breakfast?

>>381079897
How about if "buying talents" used AP, and they were lost on respawn to some extent. This would require builds to actually be fun though.

>>381080007
>good art design, movement, responsiveness, and class design

"lol dude lets just make our mmo into diablo 3, what could go wrong"
-Blizzard board meeting

>>381081019
Almost wish they'd turn it more into Diablo 3 than this half measure they're doing.

As for why they did it, Diablo 3 got really popular after they gave it this exact treatment, so I guess they wanted to see if lightning strikes twice.

>>381079091
anyone have the "JEWS WILL BURN" edit?

>>381081019
>>381081019
>lets just make our mmo into diablo 3
Except D3 has cool gems.

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>>381082103
no but i have this

>>381082815
niiice

classes arent fun
loot it too rng
everything related to artifacts is dumb

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>>381079091
>kingdoms will burn
>a total of 0 kingdoms have burned so far
when will the blizzard lies stop?

>>381083352
They never said WHEN the kingdoms will burn, stop being so entitled.

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>>381083308
>they go silent
>they start crying

>>381080631
>several pieces break at the same time
>now you hit like a wet noodle

>implying anyone can be fucked playing when there's even less permanence than now to the only reward this shitty genre gives you, loot

the time you spend spamming that shitty suggestions would be better spent designing that game yourself, so you can see with your own eyes why your idea is retarded

>>381079091
they made an expac that requires as much grinding as tbc with less of a fun reward.

>>381079091
It feels like MoP 2.0. Overall quality is good. What what they did in the big picture is terrible.

>>381083778
>It feels like MoP 2.0
I used to have alts that amounted to something back in MoP. Clearly not the case with this time sink turd.

>>381083707
>what is the auction house

>>381084038
implying you'll be able to afford shit

>>381080885
Eve online never felt like a traditional mmo for me
more like planetside with the one big server everyone is on and just smashing it out while the skills pile up
slower paced obviously

>want to start again
>artifact knowledge exists
why the fuck would you make a system that stops new players and returning players? i dont want to start again and get less nerdpoints for no reason

>>381079091
Too many bad decisions in one expansion to list. Even now they're doing still crap like the Broken Shore quests and forcing Mythic+ on players to upgrade legendaries when everyone is already sick of them.

>>381084227
Wow, Max AK that is AK40 takes 3 days to get from the time you get to max level, wew lad, what an argument

>>381084227
You can get to AK 40 in a few days now

>>381084227
They did speed that up, think going from 25 to 40 takes 36 hours now.

>>381084537
ACSHHUALLY it's 54 hours

It's a good expansion on the game WoW has been since 2010, but the problem is the game WoW has been since 2010 is a shitty MMORPG. The raiding/pvp skinnerbox is still well made, but thats just not enough for a game to be fun.

The expansion wow needs to return to good MMO status would kill the game, because all the soccer moms and casual antisocial retards would throw a fucking FIT if they removed matchmaking and made content outside raids dangerous again.

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>>381083707
>dmg
>a primary gear stat
Lull.

>>381084119
>not having a bunch of green gear crafted

>>381084487
>>381084507
>>381084537
so i can just buy it with gold? how exactly does it work?

>>381079091
They time-gated the hell out of all their content to try and spread it over a longer period of time, that way people keep playing for longer instead of letting their subscriptions lapse while they take a break.

So the 'hours played per player' looks better to the investors and hides the fact that the subscriber numbers continue to plummet.

>>381084174
>tfw no more temper-flaring, friendship-ruining, alliance-razing, universe-transforming politics

My small pirate corporation even joined a big alliance to do blob fleets instead of our usual 3-12 gangs which I fucking loved. Why even live

>>381084726
It's the same system as before iirc, it just only takes 3 or 4 hours instead of 5 days for a new rank. Characters with rank 40 can insta buy it for their alts

>>381084726
From the perspective of a new player
>Get to 110
>Go to orderhall guy with AK
>Purchase rank 1-25 immediately for 500 order hall resources per rank with no waiting time
>After that it's a 3 hour and 36 minute wait for each rank afterwards to 40 which is max, that takes roughly 2 days and 8 hours to reach
>Meanwhile you can do orderhall quests and WQ and whatnot to gear up while waiting for max AK

>>381083308
Why does this asshole still work there? Worst customer relations disaster ever.

>>381079372
it's blizzard way to letting you know how it feels to be black in chicago

>>381084701
>make a really good piece of armor
>a few days later of farming materials and bosses it breaks and i have to grind more materials and bosses all over again
WHAT EXCITING AND NOT AT ALL MONOTONOUS GAMEPLAY
even fucking artifact power is better than this hogwash

stick to minecraft, faggot

>>381084914
Stop replying to /vg/ pasta

>>381084787
>>381084879
thanks for answering
the last time i played it was several days waiting time
500 order resources seems fucking expensive but i guess its a reason to do daylies

>>381080631
Holy shit this is the worst idea I've literally ever heard

>>381085147
Only if you have none, play for a little while and you'll end up like the rest of us having too much of it.

I'm sitting on 155k resources.
They finally added a dump for them, buying Blood of Sargeras for it.

>>381085147
Not sure if it's actually 500 for the 1-25 ranks, since I never ran into that problem now when alts get insta40 if you have 40 on another character

>>381080510

It's badly designed because there's nothing in it except for a bunch of children who repeat the same 3 lines of dialogue over and over.

>>381079996
>>381080090
Mashup of the century

>>381085214
>They finally added a dump for them, buying Blood of Sargeras for it.
Don't fall for the meme yet, I'm certain that since Blizz caved into having a OH resource dump that they're gonna nerf the cost or add something more valuable to buy with resources soon enough

>>381085297
I have no reason to buy them anyway, using the shoulder enchant is plenty for getting the bloods you need anyway.

>>381085214
>buying Blood of Sargeras for it.
I have too many of those also since I don't have a crafting profession that uses them. I just use them to buy herbs and sell them on the AH.

>>381085214
>>381085247
well yeah it would be completely new character i didnt get far with my old main since the class changes made it unenjoyable for me
wanted to try the game again since i already bought it but i thought ak was too much cancer might try it now again thanks again

>>381084914
>few really good pieces of armor
>then losing it
Git gud?

This is completely based on freeroam, BTW. Dungeon/Raid gear existing in the context of dungeons/raids is still fine.

>>381080673
what

>>381085178
>muh theme park

>>381085664
im assuming that legendaries were a bigger problem to him

>how to fix the stores of gold
It's easy, introduce a new currency (platinum or something), which is worth 10 million gold each, and have basic quests in the new expansion hand out 5 per quest. Economy reset.

>>381085643
>git gud stops armor degradation
(You)

>>381085793
..Because why would basic stuff cost gold at that point, either?

>>381085879
>Gear degrades on respawn

>>381085978
>>Gear degrades on respawn
where the fuck did you pull "on respawn" from?

>>381085793
I have a better idea, just let the game take away all the money and valuables everybody has and redistribute them among all players equally.

The idea that the biggest problem WoW has is fucking GOLD INFLATION is so hilarious to me I can't even find a way to phrase it.

>>381086353
It's not the biggest problem. The game being shit is the biggest problem.

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>>381086416
And the game is shit because a million different problems, of which GOLD INFLATION is slightly more important than the color of the loading screen

>>381086105
Where did you pull "muh days of grinding" from..? That picture literally says "isn't a rare drop or anything".

>>381086528
>>381086528
>moving the gold post and strawmanning
Right, gold inflation is a bigger problem than the loot system, artifact weapon system, and the quality of raids.

>>381086353
gold inflation is just a side effect from blizzard's shitty "nobody left behind" MO they adopted in WotLK that allows anyone to start playing at any time and jump straight into current content
other side effects includes every content not being included with the most recent patch becoming useless and pointless to run, such as previous raids

>>381086687
I think 2-3 commies decided to jump in this thread and meme about gold
>>381086353
>>381086114
>>381085793

>>381086353
who gives a shit
gold's only use is to buy tokens to keep playing rather than spending real money anyway

>>381086729
> the loot system
Not sure what you mean with this. Titanforging/legendaries are a problem in legion, but just in legion. They aren't one of the systemic issues ruining the game.

> artifact weapon system
Same thing. It's a bit annoying for a new player, but anyone who has actually been playing has their concordance and can now relax. An annoyance, not one of the core problems with the game.

>quality of raids
This is just outright wrong. Raiding on the hardest difficulty has been great in every expac, the raids are designed super well. It's the game's one strong point. The issues with raiding are raid modes and class design being super bland.

>>381086353
>the biggest problem in WoW is..
Is this the definition of a strawman?

>>381086994
legion isn't the game? WoD also had random item modifications as well. This system isn't going away.

>>381086994
>Not sure what you mean with this. Titanforging/legendaries are a problem in legion, but just in legion. They aren't one of the systemic issues ruining the game.
thunderforging/warforging has been in the game since mid MoP

>>381087210
The game was shit before the legion legendary/titanforge/ap systems were added. Would the game be better without them? Yes. Would the game be shit if they were still in but other issues were fixed? No.

>>381079091
Garbage class design and class abilities and passives that tremendously improve how the spec plays locked behind the fucking artifact weapon and ap grind.

>>381087282
Thunderforging was a neat bonus of a few item levels. Titanforging completely destroys the idea of having a BIS character because there's some item from old content that would be better than your raid trinket at equal I'll, but it has to titanforge 50 times. They aren't comparable.

I am literally resubbing right now

>>381087324
And also not to forget class make or break rng as fuck legendaries.

I played since Maraudon patch in vanilla till end of WotlK then stopped.
I have mmo itch though and nothing else works... Should i go back to memecraft?
I really don't know what to do
help me bros

>>381088696
It's not even an MMO anymore

>>381088696
Unfortunately it's still best one, XIV didn't really do anything unique and is just another WoW clone

>>381088696
You won't recognize the game as the one you used to love. Better to just keep your happy memories unspoiled.

>>381089038
>>381088779
>>381089028
b-but i need mmo fix.. h-HELP

>>381089150
You will literally have a more authentic MMO experience playing Phantasy Star Online on a private server.

>>381088696
Go play on a private server I guess, which one is really up to you to find out though.

>>381089241
>>381089452
FUG, what about that incoming camelot stuff?

>>381089563
All of the upcoming ones we really just don't know much about, it's all statements and ideas rather than actual video game. Crowfall looks like it could be good but they need to not fuck up a single bit of it or it all falls down.

>>381079091
The first most obvious answer is that the game went on for far too long. The developers either moved on or went full retard, classes and stats became samey, gold fucking skyrocketed, and people's main interest now is playing dress-up. The game became an absolute parody of itself. Wrath should have been the end of WoW 1, from there they would make a completely new game where everyone would have started from scratch.

>>381089028
>Unfortunately it's still best
>What is EVE
Space Diablo.

>>381090840
EVE is boring spreadsheet simulator for accountants

>>381091050
>anon in charge of having a real argument

>>381091365
not an argument though, i tried playing EVE and it was a snoozefest

>>381091614
Explain your understanding of the combat, then.

>>381079372
This is why you play nelf and shadowmeld all that bullshit away.

>>381091861
why

>>381084751
Subscriptions lapsing was healthy for the game, though. No one wants to play the same fucking game for 2 years straight. Makes it less likely they will come back for the next expansion.

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>>381091947
>playing as an elf
>ever

>>381091861
The combat is the worst part of the game from an individual perspective, I really wish it'd be more flight-simmy but I don't really know if you can translate that into the mass autism battles that EVE has.

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>>381092216
>Not playing fembelf for qt3.14 flat girl
Bonus point for having best racial for Arms Warrior which I main

People were spoiled by Warlords, and now they are mad they have to actually play. There is nothing else to it.

>>381092367
>fembelf warrior
jesus christ what cancerous fucking taste

>>381092241
It is flight-sim though.

>>381081019
Being able to warp to world quests would make them more worth doing

>>381092472
With space-liquid physics* ..

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>>381092425
You big meanie

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>>381092367
Doing this again are we?

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>>381092628
There's no need to be angry

>>381092472
Hardly, it's a point and sit sim that happens to be in a spaceship.

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>>381092678
For you.

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>Tfw Tauren will never get their time to shine
>Tfw playing Alliance: The Expansion

>>381092805

>>381091861

>>381079091
>haha what if we instead of making new and cool abilities for each class we make we make them an RNG drop HAHA
>haha what if we make it so onbly one spec for each class is good, then for each patch we make it a different one so they have to grind AP, relics and legendary for them

>>381093003
Ace Combat is a flight sim (although arcadeified), even is point at target, set orbit and occassionally shoot when you can. It's very boring in small scale, it does work large scale though were there is a need to target switch.

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>>381092890
UHHHHHHHHHH GARROSH SAVE ME

>>381092890
Do you have the edit of Garrosh laughing?

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>>381079091

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>>381093176
Except setting orbit is using the inefficient auto-AI and showing that you have no clue how the combat actually functions with skill.

Digressing, it's just D3 combat in space, with auto-cycling abilities. Double-clicking and manually navigating..

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>>381093247

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>>381079091
>Warforge\Titanforged loot forcing you to run as much raid and dungeon content possible per week (5 man heroic, 5 man mythic, 5 man mythic+, LFG Raid, Normal Raid, Heroic Raid, Mythic Raid, Emissary quest every day)

>Legendary equipment where some is absolutely useless and other items are nearly a 30% spec boost or more with an obscenely low gated drop rate

>Time gating quests, only able to do one a week

>Time gating rep grinds

>PVP rewards substandard loot with random stats at a far lower rate than PVE just so it can Warforge

>Demon Hunter roller coaster of balance fucking PVE and PVP since release

>Artifact weapon grind in general, because its fun to roll a new character and be missing a full half of your classes artifact benefits and be unable to compete.

Only good things were how they kept each zone relevant, LEVEL scaling was ok but item level scaling was not. Every other new mechanic was an utter trainwreck and they didn't change anything for months, people were calling out blatantly OP and shit legendaries and they did nothing about it.

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>>381080760
Because he's been posting his shitty idea for at least a year now. Nobody liked it back then, and nobody likes it now.

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>>381093438
>>381093493
Majestic, thanks lads.

>>381093397
>Digressing, it's just D3 combat in space, with auto-cycling abilities. Double-clicking and manually navigating..
You somehow think this is;
1. A flight sim
2. good
The combat is the worst part of arpgs and you're saying the game is simplifying that even further. It's unironically worse than I ever imagined.

>>381093647
>a flight sim
In the context of anon's post. I specifically said, "It is flight-sim though."

>The combat is the worst part of arpgs
MOBAs exist.

>simplifying that even further
It's more of a tradeoff. Ace Combat + holding a button is simple. Ace Combat + ~space physics, trying to maintain speed while perpendicular to the target, and controlling the field with "webifiers" or other utility..

Everything is designed with keeping john q. casual subscribed for that one extra month.

>>381093397
which version of excel is that

>>381094335
>In the context of anon's post. I specifically said, "It is flight-sim though."
The context of what you say does not matter, it isn't.
>MOBAs exist
Completely irrelevant.
>It's more of a tradeoff. Ace Combat + holding a button is simple. Ace Combat + ~space physics, trying to maintain speed while perpendicular to the target, and controlling the field with "webifiers" or other utility..
But it's not Ace Combat, it's not even close. Elite Dangerous is closer to Ace Combat then EVE.

Haven't played Legion, but I would imagine it has the same problem Cata had, no realm communities left
They've been utterly destroyed by changes made in Wolk that were then made worse in Cata

>>381079897

Nothing is wrong with legendaries. It beats doing some stupid questline for an item that everyone and their Mom uses. At least with these you have your pick of legendaries to use.

>>381094743
>They've been utterly destroyed by changes made in Wolk that were then made worse in Cata
Then made worse in MoP, then made worse in WoD, then made worse in Legion.

It's like every expac since BC has been scientifically designed by a team of experts to kill off the best part of the game, the realm communities.

>>381094525
>The context of what you say does not matter
>it isn't
Maybe scaling the wall of "what I'm considering 'flight-sim -esque" is proper here.

>completely irrelevant
The "playing MOBAs mostly" demographic would probably find MOBA gameplay akin to ARPG's.

>But it's not Ace Combat
Not an argument.

>>381094865
>You get shit legendary and shit legendary 2
>Someone else gets BiS legendary 1 and BiS legendary 2
>You cant get a new one for a month or more because of gating
>Good
lel

>>381079745
>MMOs
>a genre
try playing something other than an Everquest clone

>>381095012

>gating
?

>>381095012
>You cant get a new one for a month or more because of gating
Completely untrue. If you just do all your weekly stuff (every raid + one weekly +10 + your 4 wq's a day) you get a legendary every week reliably. If you don't have you BiS legos by this point there is no one to blame but yourself.

It's a shitty system, but if you actually play the game the problem is over.

>>381094953
>Maybe scaling the wall of "what I'm considering 'flight-sim -esque" is proper here.
For starters flight-sim -esque and flight sim are different things, secondly what you consider a flight sim is not relevant to the actual meaning of words.
>The "playing MOBAs mostly" demographic would probably find MOBA gameplay akin to ARPG's.
MOBAs have nothing to do with this (they still have shit combat), you made an ARPG comparison and now you lie in the bed you made.
>Not an argument.
Neither is
>Ace Combat + ~space physics, trying to maintain speed while perpendicular to the target, and controlling the field with "webifiers" or other utility..
When it isn't Ace Combat.

>>381095221
>Neither is
It is. Both the ARPG and Ace Combat analogies were made, and now they're combined into a single statement.

>>381095518
But EVEs gameplay loop is nothing like Ace Combat so it's null.

>>381095112
>>381095221
On release once you obtained a second legendary you no longer received the daily increase to legendary drop rates and it sat at the default 0.01 drop rate for a good month or two.
Was like this until one of the higher end guilds called them out on it and the thread reached like 2000 pages or some shit. It was actually easier and faster to just roll a new character of the same class and hope your free legendary was one of the good ones since Artifact knowledge was so low.

>>381095745
Yes, that was the case. Now it's fixed, so not a good reason to complain about the legendary system

>>381093485
Rerolling/alts are a pain in the ass as well,
Gearing an alt is ok, but followers can take months to get to 900 now, gonna be worse with ToS, not needed but your gonna be behind from raid quests and elite missons,
Most mains should have 10+ legandaries now so if I would want to reroll I'm going to be behind, also
>adding more fucking legandaries to the RNG pool

Level scaling, world quests and M+ are the best additions for late game content in years, may be repetitive but its nice to have the world active and dungeons not pointless.
AP seems to be sorted in terms of reaching 52 ia all you'll really need anything beyond is relativley neglible.

This expansion could've been amazing but was tarnished with rng on top rng loot systems

>>381095563
The specific uniqueness is double-clicking as the primary movement input vs. WASD.

It all went wrong a long long time ago and there is no way to fix it.

MMOs need good world pvp and need to be grindy. Flying mounts, press button to queue for dungeon, be done with everything in less than a month, all those things killed the game.

MMOs will never be good again until someone who realizes that community and high amount of work towards rewards make MMOs enjoyable.

>>381096208
You're telling me 3rd a 3rd person, click on dimensional play with unlimited ammo and click-to-target is even remotely similar to Ace Combat? The similarities end and being in something that flies.

>>381096414
You're telling me 3rd a 3rd person, click on dimensional play with unlimited ammo and click-to-target is even remotely similar to Ace Combat? The similarities end and being in something that flies.
Fucked all of that up
You're telling me a 3rd person, click on dimensional plane with unlimited ammo and click-to-target is even remotely similar to Ace Combat? The similarities end and being in something that flies.

>>381096208
Dude fuck off. All you do is click towards to approach or just click on orbit. Combat is just about the who has the better fitting/more expensive ship.

>>381086353
Last time I played nu wow I saw some vendor items in the ah for hundreds of gold. It's ridiculous

>>381096090
>alts are a pain in the ass as well,
Literally a good thing in my book desu, I hated how easy it was to maintain 10 characters in WoD. It killed investment in individual characters and made ridiculous numbers of split raids the norm at high levels of raiding.

>Level scaling
Cancer. All scaling should be gone from the game. Enemies in RPG should have hardcoded health/damage. Difficulty modes, scaling to # of players, scaling to level are all retarded and ruin the feeling of the world.

>world quests
Just daily quests with a slightly better skin

>M+
Could have been great, but instead of making rewards scale with level they made them cap out. A good M+ system would have you constantly pushing the highest keys you could. Instead that's just a novelty, and the majority of M+ gameplay is grinding easy keys and hoping to get lucky on titanforge.

>>381084896
I don't remember being able to kidnap and livestream the torture of a white kid in WoW

>>381096627
>Could have been great, but instead of making rewards scale with level they made them cap out. A good M+ system would have you constantly pushing the highest keys you could. Instead that's just a novelty, and the majority of M+ gameplay is grinding easy keys and hoping to get lucky on titanforge.
The problem here is that even high M+ (22+) are not as challenging as Mythic raids but would offer significantly better rewards.

>>381079372
Suramar was fkn great desu

>>381079091
>AP
>Timegating
>RNG in EVERYTHING
>~Class Fantasy~
>Alliance focus which wouldn't be as bad if they were any other race than worst race
>Obvious favourtism in Class content, particularly Class Campaigns
>The usual heavyhanded nerfbat beatings and general Class Imbalance
>Spells and abilities that were baseline moved into Talents, outright removed or placed into a Talent tree restricted to PvP that needs to be levelled up separately
>Suramar
>Broken Chore
>Legendary equip limit when so many are necessary just to make the class not broken in a bad way

>>381097005
Forgot to mention:

>Dazed inb4 lolflying. It's the principle. And the fact that it's there in such vast quantities in the first place
>Every enemy, from the most pathetic minion to the baddest Elite Boss, has CC out the backside to use on you and is usually immune to your slightly-pruned-CC

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Tell me when the next expansion is out. You know, the one that will forget about the artifact weapon, make it to where the game isn't World of Diablo with a shit legendary system, not be the most alt unfriendly expansion ever, and the abilities that every class lost will return and won't be tied to shitty pvp talents.

Won't happen, but I can dream.

>>381096850
>The problem here is that even high M+ (22+) are not as challenging as Mythic raids but would offer significantly better rewards.

This isn't even a bad thing though. Blizzard could have easily made them complementary great paths. M+ could be a great source of high ilvl offset pieces and relics, while Mythic raiding will always be super important because of tier gear and raid trinkets (barring the EN disaster)

>>381080631
>that photo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*inhales*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>381097361
It's not slightly higher, it would end up being 30-40 ilvls higher than mythic gear and I think this expac has nicely shown how much of a retarded DPS difference 30-40 ilvls can make. The system was always going to need a cap and all you're doing with no cap is making people farm them even more even though they are pretty fucking dull.

>>381097683
>It's not slightly higher, it would end up being 30-40 ilvls higher than mythic gear
Obviously it wouldnt go higher than the titanforge cap, which means at the VERY HIGHEST difficulty, which would probably be somewhere in the 30s(higher than anyone has done yet), it would be dropping gear about 15 ilvls higher than mythic end boss loot. That's nice, but it's hardly game breaking.

>all you're doing with no cap is making people farm them even more even though they are pretty fucking dull.
Except pushing keys isn't dull? The only time I've enjoyed M+ was doing my 10 the very first week when it was new and somewhat challenging, and pushing a +23 key the first week of 7.2 when we thought it was worth it for the extra AP in the weekly chest. Pushing keys is challenging and fun, farming low level keys is fucking mind numbing.

>>381097398
>that photo

Its an image, not a photograph you retarded mongrel.

>>381097935
There is no very highest difficulty, this is where the issue is, they'd need to completely rejig their scaling system to make it work which just shows its flawed at the core. 15 ilvls higher than Mythic raids is next tier warforged heroic item level, that just means that unless tier sets are exceptionally powerful all gear will be dungeon gear.

It just wont work.

>>381097935
>That's nice, but it's hardly game breaking
Especially minus Tierset bonuses and potentially awful secondary distribution.

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Does anybody else still just play exclusively for the EPR?

>>381098293
>There is no very highest difficulty
I mean the highest difficulty where the loot keeps scaling.

>>381098370
So you're still wanting to cap it, you just want the cap to be higher.

>>381098441
Yeah, a better way to say it would have been scale to titanforge cap but i fucked up.

Point is that you are encouraged to clear the highest difficulty you can manage instead of farming whatever is easy

>tfw 7.2 is the patch that finally killed my toaster

I'm having more fun in my private, single player server than playing legion.

>>381098361
Is that really worth $15 a month?

>>381098727
I certainly agree with you that if you're going to have this system that scales then you should always be rewarded most for doing the highest level that you can. I just can't see how raising the cap above what you'll get for comparatively more time consuming and challenging content can really be the answer.
I'd rather see the system be curved to a cap equal to mythic gear based on an expected completeable key level where the end of the curve is significantly more weighted for good item level i.e +15 drops 875 but +20 drops 890.
Too bad this fucks new players hard because blizzard love to kill the prior raid tier they released every single fucking time now.

>>381099045
Wow is free now if you aren't a fucking idiot with gold.

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Still better than FF.