Be honest, which one was the bigger disaster?

13

>>381059991
Honest question, never played XIII, played the old ones on nes, and snes up until 3 (6 in jap), hell, even mystiq quest, but I disliked VII, VIII, IX, finished X and sorta hated it too.

Liked Tactics on PS1 and XII, will I like XIII or should I skip the whole saga?

>>381061047
I loved X but hated XIII

>>381059991
13, but that's just because we thought Final Fantasy was still great at the time. 15 is just as awful, but we've already accepted that it'll never hold up to the nostalgia and the resource cost is too high to be able and create the same kind of world as before.

>>381059991
XV because it made people wait 10 years from the initial announcement and pulled developers off other existing projects slowing them all in the process.

>>381061047
Honestly, 13 is unneeded. If you're considering playing it, try 13-2. It fixed the bulk of its issues and gives you a far more likable main character. Villain and ending leaves something to be desired. And there's another sequel afterwards to get the conclusion.

>>381061047
You will dislike XIII. The game is too linear and doesn't give the player full freedom to control until most of the game is over.

>>381061139
>>381061327
Thanks, gonna try XIII-2 and read a summary of the first game's story to not go in blank I guess.

>>381059991
13.

XV was actually good.

noctis was more tolerable than lightning, and that counts for a lot

>>381059991
There is many good things I can say about 15 while nothing good to say about 13.

>>381061626
>>381061640
>>381061719
xv kun detected

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>>381059991
13 is definitely a more properly crafted product. When I played it I hated it and thought it was complete shit, but I never felt like huge pieces of its every fiber were either ripped out of the game or developed by a separate person

That being said if you put a gun to my head I'd probably play 15 over 13 for fun any day. Its not the best, but it doesn't make me want to die

>>381059991
15.

XIII was actually good.

>>381061532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NFmP4fVBqA

Watch this up to the 4minute mark. That's the summary SE put out for the first game. The rest of the video is the summary for XIII-2. Don't watch that.

15's development hell delayed KH3 and caused 14 to receive welfare updates for nearly a year.

>>381059991
Both were pretty sad disappointments

But 13 was worse. 15 tries a lot of things and fails pretty badly at most of them. 13 tries nothing and achieves nothing.

At least 15 reached. 13 is just an on-rails linear fuckfest until the very end, which sadly is the best part, and then ends.

15 at least has some ambition about it, despite falling short on every category of design.

>>381059991
I have different question. I like linear games, so does that heighten the chances of me liking XIII?

>>381062070
Yeah. The game is a straight path and the battle system will do everything for you. All you need to do is scan the enemy and it picks all the actions for you that will kill it the fastest and you're done. You move the joystick forward and the game will do the rest.

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>>381059991
FFXV has one of the best stories in all of gaming.

>>381062203
Shit gets pretty intense in disc 3 if you turn off auto-battle though (which I recommend doing)

>>381059991
I'm playing 15 right now and I like it quite a bit. Supposedly it all falls apart in the last 1/3 and I'm not there yet, but right now it's fine.

And I love 13 too. Feels good mang. FF went linear with 10, and 13 is better than that game in basically every way.

>>381062070

Yes. If you can enjoy fairly strictly linear, you'll enjoy 13. I hate "Open world meme games", but 13 is painfully linear. It is quite factually "walk down corridor. See cutscene. Fight boss. Walk down corridor. Repeat. repeat. repeat."

There's an open-air segment near the end that contains all the "Side content", but it's a tacked on afterthought to the overall game, at best.

>>381062256
Shut the fuck up XV-kun, we don't need you ruining this thread too.

>>381059991
Both were well received by the general public and sold extremely well. IMO XV is better than XIII but the XIII sequels are better than XV.

>>381062203
>All you need to do is scan the enemy and it picks all the actions for you that will kill it the fastest and you're done. You move the joystick forward and the game will do the rest.
>>381062408
> If you can enjoy fairly strictly linear, you'll enjoy 13. I hate "Open world meme games", but 13 is painfully linear. It is quite factually "walk down corridor. See cutscene. Fight boss. Walk down corridor. Repeat. repeat. repeat."

Jesus. I mean I like linear games and all but it sounds like people weren't kidding when they kept describing it that way.

>>381062070
Perhaps but again, you aren't given full control over your party members and party management until the 2nd half of the game.

>>381062504
I don't like Lightning Returns at all, but I do think XIII-2 is better than XV. It fixes most of what was wrong with XIII
>non-crazy linear
>towns and cities
>side quests
>can change the playable character mid combat
if XIII had XIII-2's QoL changes I think it'd be one of the better FF games that exists instead of one of the worst

>>381061532
13-2 is a direct sequel so should be played after the first game. You'll appreciate the fixes much more. There's no reason not to play the first game either. It was only disappointing upon release and that's since died down.

>>381062684
This is a lie, XIII-2 is a solid 7/10 and XIII is like a 3 or 4/10 complete shit game. It takes 35-40 hours to get out of the tutorial and even get to a place where there is a proper party to use the gameplay the way it is meant to be played

>>381062662
But LR is the best of the trilogy. It doesn't railroad you like XIII and it's not piss-easy like XIII-2. The areas are diverse and well designed, the side quests give meaningful rewards because of the level up system, the music is good, and the combat is great. The only problems are the iffy graphics and retarded story.

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>>381059991
FFXV is better.

13 has bad unlikable characters, unmemorable villain that doesn't even stick out, endless coridoor, worst monster designs in FF, worst battle system in FF, story so convoluted even reading the datalog doesn't do shit. There's only like 2-3 decent music tracks in the entire game. 13-2 has a way better OST because of Mizuta. The ending of 13 didn't feel satisfying at all, and lol 13-2 just retconned the ending anyway.

FFXV on the other hand had great really likeable characters, one of the best villains in FF, a nice world with variety to explore, absolute top tier monster designs, great battle system, story is simple and straightforward, anything necessary is learned in the game, sure there's side media for extra story but it's not necessary viewing. The OST is fucking god tier, the battle music, character music and story music are some of the best in FF and battle tracks like Hellfire, Ravus Aeterna, Veiled in black and Apocolypsis Noctis are in the highest tier of FF music. The ending campfire scene is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes in all of vidya.

It's also telling that people begged SE to stop making FF13 shit while people are begging SE for more FF15.

>>381062905
Honestly my big issue with LR is how the framerate hitches down to like 5fps for a second whenever you run too far in one direction. It just game me a headache to play

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>>381061829
>accusing random people of being XV-kun again

I actually didn't hate either games but 13 doesn't feel like an FF game at all and 15 just seems like a game full of FF parodies, but not an FF game either. I really like Lightning Returns, but it feels incredibly unfinished

>>381062905

I couldn't play LR for very long due to the bizarre timing mechanics. I really dislike being on a timer constantly; I want to explore, enjoy the locales, read dialogue, etc.

Everything in LR feels pressured and rushed, because you're on a timer. Yes, you can consistently pause the timer with [FLASHBANG GRENADE OF GOD], but you have to constantly babysit it, and there's very little sense of actual exploration or freedom due to the constant need to min/max your time management.

I realize I'm probably a fairly OCD Min/max optimizing player, but the "Entire game is on a timer" thing just hugely turned me off. I still haven't finished it to this day.

>>381061829
No.

>>381061976
14s development hell delayed XV and Nomura working on other KH shit instead of 3 delayed XV.

>>381063357
>implying i don't know turning airplane mode on and back off on your phone resets your IP

>>381063048

Hi XV-Kun.

>FFXV on the other hand had great really likeable characters, one of the best villains in FF, a nice world with variety to explore, absolute top tier monster designs, great battle system, story is simple and straightforward, anything necessary is learned in the game, sure there's side media for extra story but it's not necessary viewing. The OST is fucking god tier, the battle music, character music and story music are some of the best in FF and battle tracks like Hellfire, Ravus Aeterna, Veiled in black and Apocolypsis Noctis are in the highest tier of FF music. The ending campfire scene is one of the most emotionally impactful scenes in all of vidya.

You ought to add some variety to your diatribes, it's so predictable and obvious when you're around. Do you literally have no life? Every single time i sit in a Final Fantasy thread you're around spamming these same copy-pasted diatribes and rants about how wonderful 15 is, despite the reality that it's pretty dogshit.

>>381062256
This desu.

>>381062256
True.

>>381062476
>still accusing random people of being XV-kun
>can't even see that post is a new post

>>381062807
So what? If you've already decided to play the 13 trilogy then the first game being a tutorial isn't as big of a deal. There's a lot of worldbuilding done in it that isn't mentioned again in the sequels but will help you appreciate the games more. Plus, the main game is much more challenging and there's some good scenes in it.

>>381063407
nah, you're spot on. I don't know why they ever thought you'd want to explore the cities and do side quests and stuff when there's a clock constantly telling you to hurry up. Its dreadful

>>381059991
XV, simply because no PC version.

>>381063048
>you guys... are the best
Fuckin kino

>>381063571
>There's a lot of worldbuilding done in it that isn't mentioned again
You're confusing what the game presents to you with what you can read in the datalog. XIII has quite literally 0 (zero) world building

no reason to play XIII for the datalog. Might as well read/watch that shit

>>381059991
XIII actually had a vision. Its fatal flaw was relying too much on its story without realizing that its characters were insufferable for the most part. Other than that, I don't see why the game should get all the hate. Its visuals were absurd at the time, the OST is excellent, the battle system is not half bad.

XV on the other hand is a textbook definition of a trainwreck. The poor guys were conducting surveys about the battle system six months before release because they literally did not know what the fuck they were doing.

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>>381063048
Barry we've been over this, XV's OST sucks.

>>381063520
>4th person you're accusing of being XV-kun
Dude give it a rest.

>>381063520
Why are you responding to me?

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>>381063665
somebody is playing it on PC, just not us

>>381063407
>>381063584
Were you running from every battle? Winning battles restores whatever those points were called that allows you to use chronostasis (which freezes the clock). The game is extremely generous with time. I had to waste several days sleeping in inns at the end of my playthrough because I ran out of stuff to do.

>>381063873
babbys first MS paint

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>>381059991
XIII was shit. XV was fun. what's funny is Aranea has more character development than Lightning does despite having less screentime.

>>381063520
Do you even know what the word diatribe means?

>>381063820
What the actual fuck is this supposed to even be showing me? Some random stars?

>>381063820
>so incapable of making an actual argument he has to cling to arbitrary scores from literally who

>>381064020
Lightning actually had a good amount of character development in the original XIII. Most of the cast does. The problem is they're all unlikeable and the story is garbage. XV is definitely the better game but the only character to get any development is Noctis.

trick question, 15 was originally versus 13 so it's part of the multiple game mess that makes up 13

>>381064017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYtH1457Nuo

>>381063729
The main story of l'cie and fal'cie is largely done through cutscenes. Also, every party member in XIII goes through their own story arc where they grow out of their shell and gain a summon.Those subjects aren't really mentioned again in the sequels. And the other 2 games do the same thing with datalogs.

>>381064193
>but the only character to get any development is Noctis.
What about Prompto?

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>>381062256

Agreed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvq31rYSkhQ

>>381064264
In the side materials he gets development but in the game itself? The poorly handled twist is not character development. He acts the same at the end of the game as he did in the beginning.

>>381063816
>XIII actually had a vision.
What vision was that? FF13 devs literally said they didn't even have a battle system in place until a few months before the game shipped and they only formed the FF13 battle system after they made the demo that shipped with ACC.

>XV on the other hand is a textbook definition of a trainwreck
How? FFXVs demo was from over a whole year before it was out and was specifically an alpha build of the game, the battle system was cemented ever since around August 2015 when they implemented manual weapon switching, magic and aerial combos as well as tech commands into the game, over a whole year before it released.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

The FF13 demo didn't even have the Paradigm shift system in it and that was from April 2009, when the final game came out in Dec 2009.

>>381064202
What FFXV is and what Versus XIII was supposed to be are two complete different things
Versus XIII probably never got past concepts and target renders, it never was an actual game

>>381064238
>Also, every party member in XIII goes through their own story arc where they grow out of their shell and gain a summon

>Those subjects aren't really mentioned again in the sequels.

Well thankfully none of that is relevant in the slightest in the sequels since Snow learns nothing that carries over, Lightning is a new character, Hope is a new character, and Sazh, Fang, and Vanille aren't around. So they did right by not mentioning it again

>>381059991
XIII by a long shot. XV was of questionable craftsmanship too, but it was still more of a game than Final Hallway Navigator

>>381064403
Did you see this scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD-zcnO97uY

I mean the game is fucking shit but you have to give credit where it's due, I felt each of the characters from the main cast had satisfying arcs and it was the only thing the game did well.

>>381063873
Hope this gets officially announced soon. I need to see Ara is full HD.

>>381064017
They showed it running on a GTX1080Ti at GDC a few months ago.

>>381064557
I doubt they'll release it on PC until all the season pass dlc is out. People would stop buying the dlc on consoles if there was a better PC version. They want people who are big fans to buy all the console dlc and then the pc version

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>>381064020
She also has way bigger boobs, more personality and an ass. Better VA too.

I want to purchase XV on my PS4, what should I know ? Is there DLC I need to download ? Just how big the patched and updates are ?
I'll probably buy it used physical if that matters.

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I'm not sure how much bigger of a disaster a game could get than this
>>381064471
>but it was still more of a game than Final Hallway Navigator

The last 2/3 of the game was Final Hallway Navigator 100%. Train -> Warehouse hallways with skyboxes all the way

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>>381064756
it's almost as if her VA has played another fine assed FF girl in the past

>>381063912

No. As i said in my post, I realize you can largely ignore the timer by managing it and constantly flashbanging the clock, but that doesn't mean the subtle pressure of the clock ticking isn't always there.

The effect this design had on me as a player was a big detriment to enjoying the game, whether you can consistently manage the timer or not.

Timer is always going. You have X hours to play our game. This means I will inherently avoid exploring, lounging about, checking out dead-ends, seeing what's going on, talking to random NPC's, etc.

Because its' not efficient to the objectives. It's not efficient to the narrative. It's not efficient at all.

It's a min/max'ers worst nightmare of an overall game design.

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>>381064193
The FF13 cast have as much development as secondary characters in XV.

Compare Hope's development to Talcott. Hope a whiny weak kid who blames snow for his moms death, gets slightly less whiny by the end.
Talcott a bright young kid who feels responsible for his grandpa's death, became a daemon hunter and accepts Niflheim was he one who is responsible.

Secondary character in XV has as much development as a main character in 13.

Hope didn't develop further until 13-2

>>381064887
its insane. The first patch is like 9.5 gigs. I think if you update all the way to the most current version (1.09?) its literally 20 gigs total. That's just patches

>>381063357
Looks like he get the first one right at least, seeing as how that's melbourne timezone

>>381064403
>He acts the same at the end of the game as he did in the beginning.
Actually he doesn't. At the start of the game he's using a single gun, tripping over himself, always trying to be useful even when he isn't, and is very clumsy. By the end of the game he uses dual wield guns with expertise, he says he goes off and takes out Daemons on his own all the time, and his movements are all sure of themselves because he's matured and fully embraced who he is.

>>381065036
Holy fuck. I didn't even bought the game but learning that already makes me want to hate it

>>381059991
They both made lots of money and reviewed decently. I don't see how that's a disaster.

>>381065198
>fully embraced who he is.
A faggot?

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>>381059991
I'm gonna be honest, I hated XIII when it came out, but I at least managed to enjoy it enough to actually finish it.

XV was so fucking unbelievable boring and lacking any semblance of identity, enthusiasm or personality I physically couldn't bring myself to care enough to finish it.

The only point in the game I remember feeling any remote tinge of excitement was the first time I tried to explore during night time, and all these super powerful enemies appeared including an Iron Giant.

>>381064887
The game is probably cheaper now than when it released, the DLC itself you can either buy individual episodes for $5 of which there is three, of buy the whole pack that I think is $25 that includes the upcoming multiplayer expansion.

The DLC episodes take place during different parts of the game.
Gladio DLC takes place during Chapter 7 while you are playing as Noctis going through a dungeon
Ignis DLC takes place during chapter 9 while you are doing stuff as NoctisNoctis also unconscious during it
Prompto DLC takes place during chapter 12 when he's separated from the party while you are playing as Noctis.

Doing the DLC itself you access them from the start menu, at the moment only Gladio's is out, Prompto's is out in a few weeks. Ignis most likely in September.

If you havn't done any of the patches it's probably like over 15gb worth of update at this point.

>>381065396
just because it fails in certain area's doesn't mean it's a pile of shit. Shockingly, games can be a mixed bag. Honestly it's a shame FF XV turned out so underwhelming since if they had worked more on making interesting combat mechanics and a better paced story it could've been great,

>>381059991
I heavily dislike XV, but there are a few areas where it deserves praise. XIII, though?

...nah. XIII is terrible. XV tried to do things and failed, XIII never bothered to do anything other than pretend to be a movie and failed. And you know that's a problem coming from someone who enjoys the MGS games

>>381064542
This is the only scene where Prompto's character gets a bit of nuance and it's spoonfed to you in the beginning and isn't relevant ever again. The entire cast is pretty lame.

>>381065020
Lol, you don't know fucking shit. The characters in 13 are actually the most complex in the series. Hope blames his father for his mother's death. His hatred for Snow is because Snow reminds him of his father. Because of his father's important government position he thinks his father could've gotten them out of the purge had he shown up for their vacation instead of flaking out. He thinks Snow has that same unreliability, and so misplaced his anger at his father onto him.

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>>381065580
>doesn't mean it's a pile of shit.
But in this case, the game is definitely a pile of shit.

>>381065742
oh boy here we go

>>381065726
>The characters in 13 are actually the most complex in the series.
Is there such a thing as 13-kun?

>>381065652
This so much. People gives that scene as an example, but I like to use it as an example of how shit the game is. It's not character development if the character straight up tells you how they feel. It loses the same impact when a character straight up says "I'm not actually a happy go lucky guy, I'm actually nervous that you guys won't accept me," instead of just showing us. I do like the cast, it goddamn if they aren't all one-dimensional cliches.

>>381065019
You only have X hours to play any game anon you're going to die eventually

13 had a much better and complete story. 15s combat is shit.

>>381065837
>not trying to disprove otherwise
It's a well known fact that 13 is hated because of its complexity.

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>>381064904
>The last 2/3 of the game was Final Hallway Navigator 100%.
No it wasn't. Chapter 10-14 are very short compared to chapter 1-8 on the open world.

And even then ch10 takes place in a swamp dungeon, ch11 is a setpiece battle, ch12 is mainly on the train with a brief stop at Tenebrae, then ch13 is a fortress dungeon. Then in ch14 you have acess to the area around Galdin Quay before taking you to Hammerhead and doing the Insomnia dungeon, where the Insomnia we see there isn't any more linear than the insomnia we saw back in 2011.

Meanwhile chapter 1-10 of FF13 is a corridor, ch11 is just a flat grass field with nothing but monsters, and ch12 and 13 are more corridors. There is no exploration in 13, no NPCs to talk to, no optional dungeons, any "quest" is just monster kill that all take place in the area you are in.

>posts outated fish webm from outdated build.

>>381065837
Just looks like an dumb fanboy, not enough autism to earn the title of -kun

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>>381065294
A badass who chases pussy left and right.

>>381065396
>this desperate damage control

>>381065837
I think XIII got more hate than it deserved but I don't go to XV-kun levels of defending it, I just accept that people have a different opinion than me.

>>381066150
>with a brief stop at Tenebrae
Why weren't we allowed to explore Tenebrae again?

>>381065652
>desperately trying to downplay character moments in XV because they shit all over FF13s attempts at "characterization

>>381065726
>The characters in 13 are actually the most complex in the series.
No they are the most braindead bland characters in the franchise. Hope blames Snow for his moms death which is why he wants to kill Snow, then Lightning gives him her knife.

His dad wasn't even fucking there when his mom died, meanwhile Snow was. The fuck man? I don't even like FF13 but at least I know what actually happened in it.

>>381066128
it's not because the characters are complex, it's because the story requires research to decipher the basics of whats happening, even though ultimately it's really simple. Part of what makes it so incomprehensible is because their motivations don't make sense eg. their grand plan upon learning that Orphan wants them to kill him is to kill Orphan and see what happens. The game also just has no idea how to communicate a narrative on the most basic level.

>>381066004
It's not like he gets over his self esteem issues either, so what was the point? Actually, you know why: for the shippers.

The dialogue between them is entertaining, no doubt, but to suggest that they're four-dimensional at all is hilarious. I think even FF7 did a better job.

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>FFXV's combat is ba-

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>>381065742
>SBK91 posting webms of retards playing like shit again because he has no argument
Meanwhile actual basic regular combat is like this, not what you're trying to pretend it is.

>>381065837
Yes.

>>381065742
Fuck off you vapid shit. You ruin every fucking FF thread in existence with your autism.

>>381066686
d
Truly terrible combat

>>381066686
>FFXV is the only hack n slash I've ever played: the post

>>381066004
>but I like to use it as an example of how shit the game is.
Because you're an idiot desperate to downplay the fact that XV has better characterization than FF13 in every single conceivable way?

> It's not character development if the character straight up tells you how they feel.
You really don't know what character development is or what the point of that scene is, do you?

>>381066635
But he does. Did you even play the game? See >>381065198

>>381066686
cool

>>381066510
You need to look deeper, bruh. This "on the surface" shit combined with the misinformation presented here >>381066531
is why 13 gets such a bad rep. Hope clearly says he's mad because he knows people like Snow, people who makes promises and then fail to keep them, which is later revealed to be his dad, who promised to come on the trip with them but then flakes out at the last minute. Also, they're plan was not to kill Orphan. They went to Oerba to find some answers, wereupom they were confronted with Barthandelus, who told them humanity has found out about the fal'cie's rule and is storming to take out Orphan as they speak. They went back to warn the Calvary not to kill Orphan but was trapped and forced into a fight with him. This was all clearly explained, so i doubt the problem was with the narrative.

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>>381065742
what did his autism mean by this?

>>381066381
Dunno, I thought we'd at least go to Luna's room. I mean we even saw it in a cutscene.

>>381067015
We can also do the same thing for all the same webm's his boyfriend xv-kun posts as well
These threads are nonstop cancer

>>381064020
>what's funny is Aranea has more character development
Please explain. No really I mean it since I couldn't exactly get what her deal was.

>>381066793
That looks good though.

>>381067160
>my own webm looks good, pls like xv's combat
wow really I had no idea

>Shitty linear games
XIII
>shitty open world games
XV

>>381067154
He's bullshitting. Nobody gets any development in that game except Noctis.

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>FFXV's combat is ba-

>>381066918
Anon, if your character has to tell us their own character arc, it's a shit character development. I'll use an example from 13. In the initial clash with the military on the bridge, Snow tells the resistance group that heroes don't fear death and charges in blindly, however, after Nora dies, Galdot points a gun at him and he panics. This shows how much the death affected him that his perception of "heroes don't fear death" is shattered as he comes face to face with reality. It takes Galdot reminding him that "heroes don't fear death" that he puts his mask on again and shifts back into "hero mode." But for the player, the entire dynamic has changed, because we ow know that his entire diatribe is just a shctick he uses to hide from how helpless he is. We didn't need to be told. We got all this from a single scene. That's' great character development.

>>381066980
>This was all clearly explained

yes this is why most peoples experience of FF XIII was going into the datalog after cutscenes to figure out what the fuck people just said. Or just scratching their heads and laughing at the ending where they suddenly realize that actually lets be Ragnarok and become a crystal pillar. Final Fantasy XIII's narrative is presented like such a mess, and they expect the player to know way more than they're actually told, just so they can focus on fucking awful character bullshit.

>>381066980
So what you're telling me is that the game doesn't explain anything to you and yet expects you to know Hope wants to kill his dad?

His dad is literally a non character, he's mad at Snow because Snow failed to protect his mom which is why he wants to kill Snow, Lightning even gives him her knife because of what he said to her.

Absolutely nothing in FF13 is clearly explained, it's such a convoluted mess and there is nonsense reasoning behind anything that happens in the game.

Like Serah telling Lightning she was a l'cie, Lighting doesn't believe her yet Serah for some fucking reason doesn't even show Lightning her l'cie brand and just runs off crying, then Lightning only suddenly believes her when she sees the news 5 seconds later. It's such contrived bullshit.

Then you have Orphan saying "haha I want you to kill me so Cocoon will fall!", then Lighting is like "no we won't do want you want, we'll kill you!". Like what the fuck?

>>381067381
Posting your own webms won't convince anyone barry

>>381067015
damn

>>381067381
>/cinematic/

>>381066918
>he used to use one gun
>now he uses two guns!
Truly groundbreaking.
Prompto's angst over being a Niff test tube baby or whatever proves he still had that chip on his shoulder anyway. That wasn't a good scene either, for the record.

>>381067440
Nah, it's proper storytelling without hand-holding. I guess the general audiences are just too stupid to handle being plopped into a new world and learning things naturally instead of having some world avatar character to explain shit to you.

>>381067015
Holy shit. what drives this kind of autism to repeatably come into threads just to shit on a game out of the blue?

>>381067582
Mostly your samefagging

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>127 Replies
>36 Posters

ffxv fanboys still wanna defend the game

>>381059991
XIII by far. At least by XV people were used to Square's bullshit, XIII was a kick in the dick.

>>381067563
>handholding
it's called storytelling you fucking retard. The game is not as complex as it wants you to believe, it's just stupid. The story does NOT teach you things naturally, a significant amount of backstory is hidden in datalogs. The characters just know things, and expect you to know the same things even though nothing is properly explained. Just because you're an autistic fanboy doesn't mean shit. This isn't a fucking git gud scenario, it's about being able to properly discern what the fuck is going on. You have FAILED as a storyteller if 90% of people cannot understand the basics.

>>381067741
The fans really did become a dying breed in the months following the release. Unrelated, but I was also surprised just how heavily it was slammed by KH fans.

>>381067824
>XIII was a kick in the dick.
Did you skip XII or something?

>>381067923
I rarely see kh fans talk about it here

>>381067939
Why would anyone skip the second best Final Fantasy game?

>>381067154
Aranea works for the empire as a mercernary, she is a mercenary who controls her own squad. At times she's sent to fight Noctis, doing niflheim business, and other hired to escort Noctis through a daemon dungeon where niflheim gets their mythril from, she initially did those things for Niflheim because they paid her well, she has been growing sick of how the empire is running things and decides to defect once the daemon outbreak happened, she then uses her squad to help people in the search and rescue business after the daemon outbreak and is against Niflheim, and eventually she becomes a top military captain leading her own army during the world of ruin helping out those in need. She went from foe to ally as someone with an agenda inline with Niflheim because they paid her to someone who wanted to help the people out instead.

Compare to Lightning who was a guardian corps who left and turned against the sanctum, and otherwise went from cold and closed off to less cold and closed off and stopped hating Snow.

>>381067967
They usually try to keep from mentioning it in their threads because XV-kun kept coming in and derailing.

>>381067923
>>381067967
I've seen this once or twice. Its a very fair comparison. The entire reason V13 had a following is because of KH. KH fans were looking forward to KH with sasuke back in 2006.

Tabata's fucked up combat gameplay is a huge step backwards from not only KH2, but even the terrible Osaka team BBS/DDD shit

>>381067502
His dad was a major fucking part of his character, anon. He was clearly alluded to early on in the story. Hope's anger is three fold, and it was only by conquering this that his eidolon appeared. The narrative is fine as it is. You just need to read deeper into it. For example, Serah's disappointment wasn't just from that incident. If you paid attention, you'd know that their fight had been building up for some time and the birthday incident was just the final straw. Serah wasn't looking for Lightning's help, so much as for trust. This is all conveyed without being said, which I guess might be too complex for some of you to follow, since you think good character development is when a character straight up says what they're feeling.

>>381067247
I didn't make that though. A guy named Sunhilegend did.

https://twitter.com/SunhiLegend/status/862344279649341448

>>381067381
So I'm genuinely curious, how big is your folder of FFXV webms?

>>381067381
these look really nice

>>381068078
>XV-kun kept coming in and derailing.
I can see him blaming them for trivial shit or something

>>381067502
Wasn't the brand thing because the scene took place before l'cie brands were known to the public. That's why she realised Serah was a l'cie when she saw what a brand looks like on TV.

>>381067394
>if your character has to tell us their own character arc,
But he's not, he's telling Noctis how he really feels inside. Have you even fucking seen Stand By Me? What Prompto does there is the same thing the characters do in that.

ARE YOU NIGGERS SERIOUS? XV WAS ANNOUNCED IN 2006. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SET IN THE SAME WORLD AS XIII. THEY TOOK TEN (FUCKING 10) YEARS AND A SHIT LOAD OF CHANGES IN DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE THIS GAME. THERE IS NO WAY IT WAS LESS OF A DISASTER THAN XIII

>>381068267
>SET IN THE SAME WORLD AS XIII
It was never set in the same world, just used the same mythos

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>>381059991
You tell me OP

>>381068113
>if characters communicate like human beings it's bad character development.
>If I overanalyze things that probably aren't there it's good character development

spot the autist

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>>381068161
I have quite a few, FFXV quickly became one of my favorite games of all time due to its snappy and fluid combat along with masterful story telling.

>>381067502
Yeah FF13 is terrible. Can't believe we have an FF13-kun now.

>>381068323
AND THEY COMPLETELY CHANGED IT. THEY EVEN HAD FASHION ADS WITH NOCTIS AMD LIGHTNING

>>381067394
>13
>great character development
my sides

>>381067561
It's called development you retard. The first scene was to show you what Prompto was like originally so when he develops the player can figure it out for himself. Originally he is unsure of himself and often looks for Gladio's approval that he rarely gets but that all changes after the timeskip.

>>381067859
The character lives in their own world. Why would they need to explain of that shit organically? We all know basic history, like the World War 2 and the Nazi party. Expecting these characters to explain their basic knowledge is like having a guy say "yeah, I was accused of being a Nazi the other day, which was a political group founded in Germany and rose to power to become its major political group with Adolf Hitler as its leader, playing a crucial part on restoring Germany during post world war 1, which was a war fought by many countries, such as Britain, France... etc." Instead, from the inference, you can say that being accused of being a Nazi is a bad thing, and then later on, you see an example and are able to connect the dots. See, organically telling a story, which, again, is apparently too hard for you.

>>381068375
Like what size is the folder in mb/gb

>>381067561
Hey look at that desperate attempt at downplaying how he changed. Never mind that using a single gun while being clumsy in his actions is a stark contrast to using dual wield guns with expertise and finesse which speaks loads about the person doing the actions.

>>381068547
Why do you want to know?

>>381068042
Anon, you're confusing plot progression with character development.

>>381068375
>quickly became one of my favorite games of all time
You pretty much decided it was going to be years ago

>>381067741
More like FF13 fanboys still triggered 13 is a piece of shit and want to try and shit on XV becuase they're triggered it's better in every way.

>>381068509
>Why would they need to explain of that shit organically?

BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING A FUCKING STORY SET IN AN UNFAMILIAR FANTASTICAL WORLD HOLY SHIT

>>381059991
15 is a disaster but it's still better than 13

>>381067923
KH fags are FF13 fags, they're the only ones who have been shitting on the game since before it was out.

>>381068590
I've heard it was about 5 gb, i want to know if that was true

>>381059991
at least we got 13-3 from 13, with a decent combat system
15 is straight up unsalvable trash

>>381067967
lol

>>381068708
>KH fags are FF13 fags
how do you even connect the two barry

>>381067967
Either you are a KH fag on damage control or you're new.

>>381068791
I'll occasionally pop into a kh thread but I really haven't seen them talk about it
Then again I don't stalk the threads every chance I get

>>381068509
if you can't weave exposition into a narrative you've failed on the most fundamental level. You are not smart just because you've autistically studied this game from top to bottom. Your example shows what a fucking retard you are because you can't conceive of any possible way they could introduce a world to a player. You know, like how every single preceding FF did and how every good story does.

>>381068078
Except for all the times where they are the ones who come to XV threads just to shit on XV.

>>381068245
That's basically what he said, anon.
>Stand by Me
I did, in fact. Great movie. My memory is hazy, but I think the biggest difference was that there was actual build up and hints to their familial problems, and it's evident just how much of an impact their journey had on each of them. Meanwhile, everything concerning Prompto comes out of left field, isn't explained, and doesn't have a significant impact on his character in the very end. There's no growth.

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>>381068267
At least we got something pretty good out of Fabula Nova Crystalis

>>381068245
There's a difference between that and telling your whole character arc, anon. If he goes "you know I just want you guys to accept me, right?" Or even "sometimes I don't even know why you guys want me around." That would perfectly show us his vulnerability. Actually having him say that we may look at him as a happy go lucky joker but he's actually not because of how insecure he is just makes it is pretty much reader biase, as it's telling us how we're supposed to be feeling about him instead of organically showing us.

>>381068113
>His dad was a major fucking part of his character, anon.
HAHAHAHA holy shit not even bothering with the rest of your autism.

i played ff form 1 to 14 and id say 13 isnt that bad, its liek you faggots that say 12 is bad.

>>381068375
this part is where I stated choking up

the ending was pure kino

>>381068963
>who come to XV threads just to shit on XV.
I mean you can't blame them.

>>381068737
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/368025038/#368058292
found it I think, it was 5gb months ago

they were both hot garbage. 13 is probably worse just because of the linearity but XV is still terrible.
FF is fucking dead

>>381068267
>IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SET IN THE SAME WORLD AS XIII.
It wasn't. FNC was a common mythos but each FNC game was their own world. Though they eventually dropped the FNC shit from FFXV completely so that's good.

>>381068963
Just like xv-kun goes into non-xv threads just to shill/defend xv and shit on whatever game the thread is talking about
Just a circlejerk of cancer

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>>381069054
Yeah, I honestly can't think of a more powerful moment from gaming than the end to Final Fantasy XV. That's the sort of stuff that people will still be talking about ten years from now.

>>381062256
Always reminds me of modern day Jake Lloyd.

man you guys are crazy. 13 is way better than 15

>>381068963
>KH3 gets delayed 10 years because of SE sorting out XV shit
>XV turns out to have way way way worse gameplay than KH2, even though it was supposed to be an evolution of it
If anything they have the god given right to shit up XV threads

>>381068698
>>381068936
But here's the thing. The exposition was there. But they're were all done organically, which meant being mentioned and then expounded upon when it was necessary. The game didn't stop to tell you everything. It assumed you'd get the hints it was dropping. Again, the game may have ended up being too complex for general audiences.

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>>381069059
>his XV folder is nearly double the size of my porn folder
>mfw

>>381068509
You know shit like this is why there is such a thing as a viewpoint character or someone who is uninformed about anything right?

Take FF10 for example, because Tidus doesn't know anything we have a way for the viewer to learn things about the world through Tidus.

Even in FFXV for example, not everyone knows everything while Ignis is smart and knows his shit, so when Prompto or Nocits asks questions Ignis informs them of what things are and by extension the player.

In FF13 everyone already knows everything and so nothing is learned to the player in an organic way, it's FF13 is like listening in on someone elses conversation instead of you being part of it.

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>>381059991
I honestly don't understand. I've liked every FF I've played and I enjoyed 13. The music is great and the combat is also great when you understand how it works instead of just letting it play itself. 13 isn't any less linear than any of the FFs before it. So why the hate?

>>381069212
>KH3 gets delayed 10 years because of SE sorting out XV shit
Not true actually, nomura purposely didn't want to make kh3 and wanted to focus on other characters beside sora
at least up until DDD

>>381059991
I'm extremely disappointed with XV and find it pretentious bullshit, but XIII is still worse

I can't make it 10 hours into 13 without it getting boring as fuck, whereas I can easily pop in 15 whenever and have a blast roaming around and simply playing the game.

That's all it really comes down to. It goes to shit as you get further into it, but it's hard to admit that 15 doesn't have one of the strongest starts of the entire Final Fantasy series.

>>381068487
>>381068550
The time skip barely gives players enough time to breathe before rushing into the final act. There's no character development to be observed here other than you over analyzing.
I don't think you remember the first half of the game either, because Prompto had always been handy with a gun, albeit having a goofy fighting style. You're reaching really hard.

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i cry evryteim

sadest end

>>381069419
>Press R1 to push car
>Strong start
What the fuck are you talking about, XV's start is a travesty.

>>381069364
13 doesn't hide the linearity as well as other FFs

>>381069024
Here's my evidence
>his first scene is him on the beach with his mom and because she wishes their dad was here, he toughens up and tries to get her mond off of things, which eventually lead to them being stranded in the city when the purge happens
>after his mom died he infers that snow is like his dad
>he further expounds upon this with Vanille by saying his dad could've saved his mom if he was there
>he refuses to go see his dad despite the group making it to the city where he lived
>when he finally does, he's still holds lingering resentment from his dad not coming on vacation with them
He easily forgives Snow after the confrontation, but has a harder time doing so for his dad. To say his dad isn't a major part of his character development despite not being shown for a large portion of the game is like wrong.

>>381068606
No I explained how her character changed, she was foe who willingly sided with Niflheim because they payed her well, to being someone who had grew apathetic of Niflheim but still stuck around because they were paying her, to someone who defected from Niflheim now working against them and decided to help people in need using her resources instead.

Aranea's development is basically inline with what Beatrix had in 9, except Aranea wasn't a bitch.

>>381069359
That's exactly what I'm saying. In media res is apparently too much for general audiences to comprehend.

>>381069489
it takes 2+ hours in 13 to even unlock the paradigm system, and then another 30 hours to unlock your 3rd party member, allowing the gameplay to function properly.

In 15 there are 8 minutes of cutscenes/bullshit before you are placed comfortably into the game world to play as you please

>>381069364
YOOOO I KNOW WHAT HENTAI THATS FROM THATS SSIIIIIIICK

>>381068773
KH games and FF13 are written by Daisuke Watanabe, with story stuff from Nojima and input from Nomura. FF13 and KH games are linear as shit with convoluted stories. KH fans loved the FNC so much which is why they took to Versus too because Versus was FNC also, which FF13 is also a part of. Once Nomura was taken off XV the KH/FF13 fans started shitting on XV and anything relating to Tabata.

>>381069787
#woke

>>381069574
But why, anon? The why is never explained. Otherwise I can say Rinoa has great character development because she goes from liking Seifer to seeing that he's an asshole and then liking Squall instead. All you're doing is saying what happened to the character without telling us their motivations for doing so, which is the core of what makes a character.

>>381059991

13

>>381069787
> fans started shitting on XV and anything relating to Tabata.
Which is funny because Crisis Core, The 3rd Birthday, Type-0 and FFXV are all fucking GOAT and far better than anything Nomura has produced.

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>>381069489
>roughly 5 minute cutscene, half of which involves you pushing a car
>"tutorial" quest that takes 10 minutes at most
>and then the game suddenly opens up
Don't give me that shit. I'd gladly take a couple minutes of pushing a car than replay a Final Fantasy game where I'm spending the first 30 or 40 minutes mashing X. I can easily admit that 7 is a lot better of a game than 15, but there's no way in hell I can replay 7 given I'm stuck in Midgar for a good 4-5 hours.

>>381069909
#WOKE

>>381069787
To be fair, the initial info we had on Versus 13 sounded a lot more fun compared to what we got. I really wanted to see Final Fantasy: The Godfather.

>>381068989
zero was actually really good

>>381069787
checks out

>>381069950
>World opens up
Oh boy you can visit all the gas stations that Eos has in store for you.

>>381069787
I mean I agree with you but I'd like to point out that people that find the KH story "convoluted" simply haven't played the game. It's easy as piss to understand given you've at least played KH2 and BBS.

>>381069909
>The 3rd Birthday
>good
Parasite Eve deserved a way better game than that pile of garbage

>>381070050
>he didn't explore the world
>he didn't ditch the car immediately upon unlocking chocobos
>he played as linear as possible and only played through the story
Your own fault mate, you missed out.

>>381069965
more like FF: Game of Thrones edition desu

>>381069787
>input from Nomura
character design is not really comparable to a director. He wasn't even a creative producer on 13
>Once Nomura was taken off XV the KH/FF13 fans started shitting on XV and anything relating to Tabata.
Ironically, xv-kun started hating nomura and versus. Shilled him for years, gets taken off and started hating him to save himself from the embarrassment of calling him one of the greatest people in the industry

>>381070173
>"""""Open"""""" world is littered with invisible walls
>Have incredibly minimal input with car driving
>All fetch quests are Korean MMO tier
It's the worst open world ever crafted.

>>381069364
13 is actually far more lienar than other FFs because you can't revisit any of the areas in FF13 from chapter 1-10. In other FFs you can at least revisit areas from the start of the game.

>>381069787
Holy shit, is this the birth of an epic new conspiracy theory?

>>381070173
Who said anything about linearity? The open world just suffers from the same problems that many other open world games have. Must've been your first game like this I guess.

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>>381069057
Yes you can. They are cancer.

>>381069159
You mean going into threads where people mention XV in their shitposts and I correct them? Then you get triggered?

>>381069212
Good thing XV has way better gameplay than KH2, and KH fags are so fucking delusional in their autism they can't deal with it.

I enjoyed lightnings games, never played XV but I'm sure its a fine game too.
People are too clingy, and nostalgic for shit that sucked anyways.

New games are new and should be respected as such for what they are.
You can still like that shitty 2D turn based potion spamming shit fest an still like the new games too.. like what the fuck.

They aren't people, you aren't cheating on them, certainly isn't going to hurt its feelings either.

>>381070401
>and autistically yell at them
yes you do that

>>381070196
Maybe more like FF:Westside Story considering how Stella got replaced with Luna

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>>381070401
>Good thing XV has way better gameplay than KH2
Come on now, FFXV's combat system is an insult. I can't think of an ARPG with worse combat.

>>381070395
No, it's xv-kun reaching for straws
I can bet you right the common fan of either game even knew watanabe was one of the writers of both kh and ff13

>>381059991

13, it ruined FF for a whole console generation. At least with 15 they have already accepted it is a blunder, and won't try to force it down our throats for the next 8 years.

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>>381069419
chillin with the boys is fun

>>381070592
>force it down our throats for 8 years
Anon...

>>381070401
money says he's never beaten sephiroth and/or lingering will in KH2

>>381069489
You mean pushing a car for 1 minute which is just an interactive cutscene while the characters all talk? And that itself is a great introduction into their dynamic? And like within 5 minutes of starting the game you can go and fuck around?

Meanwhile in 13 you don't finish tutorial for 20 hours in endless corridors?

Ok bro.

>>381070361
>"""""Open"""""" world is littered with invisible walls
Wow even other early adaptions of the open world formula have these issues like the GTA series.
>Have incredibly minimal input with car driving
Not only was that updated in a patch, but chocobos were far more satisfying to traverse with anyway. You bringing up the car shows that you barely scratched the surface.
>All fetch quests are Korean MMO tier
I can't defend those, but exploring the world was more than a decent enough reason for me to keep at that grind. That and monster variety was actually rather stunning for the first 40 hours of the game.

And I want to make this point because you're an illiterate fuckwit. I'm aware of 15's issues, and I'm not hailing it as some masterpiece, but COMPARED be sure to read that all-capped word there to a lot of the games in the Final Fantasy series, it has a sky-rocketing start that gives the player far more control than any of the other games have in the past, closest 2nd being 8, and it really shows how mediocre that game gets rather early on.

This topic is comparing 13 to 15 anyway. Don't tell me you'd rather walk in a straight line hitting auto battle than at least giving full on environmental freedom so early in the game.

>>381069540
>13-kun still trying

13. 15 will never be able to permenantly damage the brand name like 13 did.

>>381069787
That... actually makes sense.

>>381070395
I actually hate the ever loving fuck out of open-world games, and next to the new Borderlands-esque loot system that all modern games are pushing nowadays, I think it's a complete blight to gaming in general.

But 15 had me enticed from the get go with a fun cast and more than enough objectives and tasks to keep me entertained for hours on end. I should also admit I'm one of the few fags that got obsessively into fishing.

>>381070868
No it doesn't

>>381070864
It was already damaged with XII, an unfinished offline MMO is pure garbage and marked the point of no return.

>Lightning returns
Imagine playing Majora's Mask but you cannot rewind time

Then you go to optional areas with no indication how strong enemies are, and wasting more time

AND the game wastes your time with dumb shit like looking for graffiti on random walls with no direction given

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>>381071145
>Unironically being too casual for Lightning Returns

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>>381069863
The first scene you see her in the game has her looking at disdain at the Niflheim people around her. As soon as Verstael stars speaking she sighs and rolls her eyes. She was willing to put up with Niflheim because they were paying her, but we see her true nature already in being someone who would drop Niflheim when given the chance.

We encounter her multiple times where she acts friendly towards people who are supposed to be her enemy, which is in contrast to everyone else in the Niflheim military who is actively hostile towards Noctis and gang.

And once the daemon outbreak happens she drops Niflheim like hot shit and decides to help people instead, she has the means to because she has airships to rescue people with, and she was completely fed up with Niflheim at that point which was alluded to in many prior interactions.

>>381063729
>datalog meme again

no one int his thread read the datalog i swear to god
the only things in datalog that are nowhere in game are:
>names of 2 minor fal'cie
>what lightning did in the army
thats it. stop this meme

>>381070050
Which is more fun than going through endless hallways in 13. And guess you are the type of retard that didn't go off the beaten path into the optional dungeons and areas the story doesn't even take you.

Like the mining cart dungeon at the start you can stumble upon full of level 7 goblins then a level 54 samurai wandering around.

Or the sewer dungeon also within the starting area you can go to straight away full of enemies that are in their 30s/40s while you're still weak.

>>381070361
I'm really starting to doubt you even played it and are just making shit up based on shitposts you've read before.

13

20 hours in and the game goes nowhere

Linear as fuck, no exploration of anything

Press X to jason combat system

Shit story

At least in XV I can go in more directions then 1 at the start.

>>381065742
It glitches out a LOT less than Witcher 3

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>>381070542
>SBK91 still posting menace dungeon footage against tonberries of a retard playing like shit ignoring that shields, magic and other weapons exist
XV is vastly superior to KH.

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I really liked the battle system of 13

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>>381070986
don't cry

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>>381071771
>hold circle to win
>gives you a button prompt for parrying

>good combat

>>381059991
XV

>>381071889
Where is the holding O in that webm with the iron giant?
Where is the button prompts in that webm with iron giant?

Noctis is only either moving around or having Square tapped to do manual shield blocks at the last second.

>>381059991
Final Fantasy XV is the greatest game ever made.

>>381071889
>FFXV
>Bad combat
Quit being a parrot and maybe realize that FFXV redefines ARPG gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqYElpLr2s

>>381059991
XIII.

FFXV felt like an FF, it felt like an adventure, FFXIII didn't because it was coridoor pretty much the whole game.

>>381072139
You don't need to falseflag this desperately.

>>381072068
You're not holding circle because you're not attacking. Also you're blocking not parrying, that attack can't be parried. If it could be it would have given you the button prompt for it.

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>>381072257
>You're not holding circle because you're not attacking
So then why did you say hold O? Also you do realize you can tap to attack right? Also you do realize you can only get manual finishers by tapping right?

>Also you're blocking not parrying, that attack can't be parried.
Who said anything about parrying? I specifically said blocking. Also you can use the manual shield blocks to manually stagger enemies

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>tfw you know FFXIII is bad but it was your first FF so the nostalgia always lets you enjoy it.

love this menu screen

>>381070542
>xv kun thinks this is better parrying than BotW, DS1, MGR, etc.
Why do we even bother, there's no hope for him

>>381059991
13
but thats my bias
15 had more likable characters

>>381060967
fpbp

>>381061047
probably not

>>381072720
I'm so sorry

>>381059991
15 is legit bad

hating 13 was a meme

>>381071445
I did, a lot of people did.

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>>381073869
>hating 13 was a meme

>FFXV has bad sidequest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqYmvkgTPE

>>381063729
this the world building was abismal. They try to do it with character cutscenes but every time it's about how they feel and how the world is against them.

>>381074013
The Kalm Traveler sidequest from FF7 would like a word with you.

>>381073529
See >>381072416
>>381071771

But hey keep ignoring facts.

>>381073869
15 is a legit good game despite its flaws, and 13 is legit a piece of shit that was so shit FF13-2 literally retconned the ending of 13.

>>381074013
Hell even all the optional side dungeons and on tour quests are great.

I only did like 1 frog quest and it took like 5 minutes so I don't even know why people keep meme posting about that all the time.

>>381074674
>15 is a legit good game
It's honestly one of the worst games ever made, the quicker we accept this the quicker we can hope for SE to get back on track with the franchise.

>>381074609
>>381074674
kek xv was just as shit as 13

>>381074609
>blocking and QTEs are better parrying than games that actually have parrying
Just stop already, you're only embarrassing yourself

>>381074794
>the quicker we accept this the quicker we can hope for SE to get back on track with the franchise.
You mean running down a hallway?

>>381074803
No, XV was great while 13 was a piece of shit.

>>381074794
Nice try 13-kun.

>>381074921
No.
>>381074956
XIII being bad doesn't change XV from being bad either, they're the 25th and 23rd worst games ever made respectively.

>>381074943
kek no they were both shit

>>381074898
Did you just ignore what is being shown in the webms or are you being deliberately retarded? There isn't a single QTE in any of those iron giant webms and those are manual blocks where you can see you can manually stagger the enemy with well timed manual shield blocks too.

>>381075007
XV is great while 13 is shit, deal with it. XV is in the top 3 while 13 isn't even in the top 20 best FFs.

>>381075019
No XV is great while 13 is shit.

>>381075019
I can agree to that just 13 was more shit

>>381059991
15 is honestly worse, but 13 did more damage not just to Final Fantasy but to JRPGs as a whole.

Final Fantasy XIII was pretty much the death blow to mainstream JRPGs for practically an entire (long) generation. By the time XV had come out, Final Fantasy was practically irrelevant to the younger generation, and the older generation at least knew better than to hype up a Square-Enix game.

>>381075050
>XV is in the top 3
If you mean top 3 worst FF games alone with VIII and II then yes I agree, reminder they gutted the main game to sell as DLC.

>>381075085
We can say the same sentence over and over til the thread dies, still won't change the fact that both games are shit

>>381075007
Nah there's a load of garbage in the Final Fantasy name where the only excuse you can validate for a lot of the shitty ones is the story, and even then it's a stretch.

And again keeping your player enticed at the start is far more important than the usual shit a lot of the older games do, forcing you through a 30 minute cinematic and leaving you to fight random L1 mobs for the first 3 or 4 hours of the games.

>>381075130
It's in the top 3 best.
>b-but side story DLC means it's le gutted
no.

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>>381075096
>15 is honestly worse
No it isn't on any level, it's better in every single conceivable aspect of game design and as an FF.

>y the time XV had come out, Final Fantasy was practically irrelevant to the younger generation, and the older generation at least knew better than to hype up a Square-Enix game.
That must be why FFXV is the FF with the most amount of GOTY awards and had the best opening sales of the franchise in the US, and is the fastest selling FF ever.

>>381075175
You can meme post all you want, still won't change the fact that XV is great while XIII is shit.

>>381061532
Don't, 13-2 is a better game, but a) doesn't feel like a complete Final Fantasy package b) has a smaller cast c) relies heavily on stuff established in 13. So just play 13 and don't be a faggot. 13-3 is the real pile of trash, that's something you should avoid

>>381075281
Compare what based CD Projekt did with Blood and Wine to what SE are doing with XV in terms of DLC and it's just depressing.
The last thing we need is people actually thinking XV is anything other than a steaming pile of trash as well as defending the blatant gimping of a game strictly for monetary purposes.

Holy shit, is this thread still up? I thought we'd establish this already. 13 is the most complex game in the series and masterpiece on all level, but 15 is more accessible and probably more enjoyable if you just want to play video games.

Could you imagine what XV could've been if the whole story was there and the combat was handled by Platinum?

>>381075398
You mean a full fucking expansion that took them a year to make, compared to small $5 episodes made in a few months each?

Compare the fucking Persona 5 DLC which cost $7 for just costumes and a single music track, to the XV DLC which gives you a new playable charcter in new areas with new combat system, new music, new bosses, new outfit, new story scenes just for $5.

Jesus christ you are fucking retarded if you honestly think a base game expansion like B&W is the same thing as XVs episode DLC, B&W cost like $20, while XVs is only $5 each less than costume DLC for P5.

But hey you're a fucking retarded that has no clue about anything, and you're desperate to act like XV isn't one of the best FFs yet just because they're adding side story content as DLC now.

>>381075398
We're comparing Final Fantasy games though, not 15 to other games that exist.

I'd be the last person to ever say 15 was one of my favorite games, but I'm not going to say it was a bad experience overall.

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Why doesn't XV-kun become a tripfag already?
We already know when his autistic posting starts anyway. He should just take his hate in stride

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>>381075529
The story would've been even worse and less coherent, Bayonetta is in my top 10 but it's a serious contender for worse story told in a video game and funnily enough the combat in Automata suffers from a lot of issues that XV's does so I'll pass on both accounts, although Automata's does feel a lot better to actually play.

>>381075603
That guy is just an FF13 drone.

>>381075651
How about you stop spouting shit and crying when you get shat on back?

>>381075651
Because everyone would filter him and then no one would give him any attention

>>381075651
Because when he says stupid shit he can't fallback on the "wazzen me" bullshit

>>381075694
>he didn't notice the IP count go up
not the same guy you've been arguing with XV-kun

>>381075724
>that bayonetta post
still makes me laugh thinking about it

>>381075712
>>381075724
More like because you fags would go even more rampant on your shitposting then be hypocritical fucks, i'm not going to give you the satisfaction.

>>381075774
This post >>381075398 did not have a new IP on it you blind shit.

>>381075603
>but I'm not going to say it was a bad experience overall.
Stop lying to yourself.

>>381075809
>he still thinks that was me because it's convenient for his shitposts
Nothing is more pathetic than you fucks who claim to be able to tell when I post then pretend when posts I never made are somehow me.

>>381074013

>Good looking sidequest
>get to the boss
>combat is atrocious and done mostly by the AI.

>>381075873
You seem mad and in denial.

>>381075885
>still damage controlling and lying about it to this day
loving every laugh

>>381075873
No one needs to lie because XV was great.

>>381075938
But it isn't, the fuck? Did you even play the game?

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>>381075815
not gonna bother with you anymore, good night XV-kun <3

>>381075952
>Still bullshitting and pretending someone was me because it's convenient to his shitpost against the game

Notice how you never have actual valid arguments, you just try to attack me instead?

>>381075948
>You seem mad
Yes I am mad that people consider XV anything other than an absolute abomination and a scourge on video games.
>in denial.
No I accept that XV is pure garbage and the faster more people come to this realization the better.

XV was a game

XIII was a glorified pantsu simulator

>>381076007
You could avoid this problem by getting a trip. It's that easy.

XV is honestly incredibly mediocre to say the least. Typical open world memeshit. The combat started off decent but then it gets insanely repetitive. Not to mention it is also far too easy.
>Almost out of MP
>Oh look I can just teleport to a vantage point where no one can hit me and recover my MP there and abuse it over and over again. Its just attack, parry, heal mp and attack again. But it's still more fluid than FFXIII which had such a shit UI and a clunky unusable combat system that it hurt. FFXV also had a much better story so I at least had more reason to play it other than XIII which was just shit through and through.

>>381076007
>still doing it
kek

>>381076016
>Yes I am mad that people consider XV anything other than an absolute abomination and a scourge on video games.
So you have shit taste because you can't deal with XV being one of the best FFs yet, and can't deal with the fact that you have the shittest taste in anything imaginable.

>>381076016
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit this ff13drone is serious

>>381059991
Final Fantasy 15 and to me its not even close.
No other game i waited for sooo long has dissapointed me soo much which is borderline the entire fault of showing trailers and gameplay for YEARS that is simply not in the game at all.
It was years of false marketing and lies and the actual combat is bad and they should have sticked with the kh battle system.
Also FF13 if you use manual actually has at least a good battle system.

>>381076029
*armpit simulator

>>381076049
See >>381075815

>>381076073
And yet you are the one that is actually still doing it while failing to provide proof that it even somehow was me.

>>381076052
XV is honestly incredibly mediocre to say the least. Typical open world memeshit. The combat started off decent but then it gets insanely repetitive. Not to mention it is also far too easy.
>Almost out of MP
>Oh look I can just teleport to a vantage point where no one can hit me and recover my MP there and abuse it over and over again.

Its just attack, parry, heal mp and attack again. But it's still more fluid than FFXIII which had such a shit UI and a clunky unusable combat system that it hurt. FFXV also had a much better story so I at least had more reason to play it other than XIII which was just shit through and through.

fixed

>>381076029
13 was just a corridor simulator

>>381076084
>XV being one of the best FFs yet
Wrong.
It's the 25th worst game ever made.

>>381076102
>Also FF13 if you use manual actually has at least a good battle system.
lol

I mean this lack of a new IP on your post gives you away anyway but still, just lol.

>>381072139
I like XV but your point is bullshit. Anyone who's played anything other than a JRPG would tell you that XV's combat is basically Devil May Cry mechanics (in Dante's Trickster style) but less refined.

>>381076237
>Devil May Cry mechanics
You can't launch in FFXV.

>>381076154
>no u
shameful argument. You can't deny the truth

In the time since i posted last i fought Monsoon in Metal Gear Rising. WAY the hell better combat than anything in XV.

>>381072720
Oh god. I'm getting nostalgia too and I didn't even think it was a good game. Why.

>>381076192
No, it's in the top 3 best FF along with FFV and FFVI.

>>381076237
that guy is a falseflagger, he's shitposting against XV by pretending to be an FFXV fan and posts that link to basic airsteps to try and make XV fan look bad.

>>381076357
VI is the only one of those that should be in a top 3

>>381076301
Same but for me it was Azel from God Hand, now that's how you do a boss fight.

>>381076298
What truth?

>>381076418
Along with VII and IX.