Shin Megami Tensei

bait needs some work OP

Not bait I swear i'ma good boy!

IV is a legitimately boring SMT game and only serves as world building for IV: Apocalypse.

>>381025017
That's about what I am feeling yeah. I hear Nocturne is the favorite of the series though?

>>381025235
Nocturne is shit

>>381025348
you should not advertise that you are tasteless degenerate

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*blocks your agi attacks*

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>>381025348
>>381025017
SHIT TASTE
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>>381025483
>Says the one defending Nocturne
Name 5 good things about Nocturne besides muh atmosphere

>>381025606
SMT is fucking shit, get over yourself.

I've only ever played SMT IV and Apocalypse

tell me the cream of the crop, I want the definitive SMT experience

>>381025235
IV is pretty bad.
Nocturne was my first SMT game, and it was good enough to make me want to play more. Just emulate it.
As a plus, it features Dante from the devil may cry series.

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>just reached Amala temple
...Something bad's about to happen to Mr Terminal Molester. I can feel it.

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>>381025638
I speak unto the filth. Fuck you and your shit taste.

You should play Persona 1

Like, for those that like IV, what do you like about it?

>>381026219
Ost, combat, lore/world building and Hoy-Man.

>>381024017
Nice going op, IV's the worst one in the entire franchise.

>>381026219
Characters, world, plot, memes Hoys.

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>>381025235
That seems to be a common opinion. I like it, personally. Some people are turned off by the characters but I honestly found them a lot more engaging than the IV cast.
>>381025606
I'm sorry but no amount of hoy boy memes could make me love IV, anon. I don't hate it but it never really clicked with me either.

>>381024017
How far in are you?

>>381024017
It gets interesting when you find out what is at the bottom of Naraku.
Also the fuck, anon you like persona but think that smt IV has a slow start?

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>>381025638
Art style
Music
Worldbuilding
Boss fights
Magatama system

>>381026141
I kinda had a similar experience with Persona 1 where it just thrust me straight away into the samey randomly generated dungeons and I kinda took a break and never felt the need to go back

Anyone else here really hate horde encounters, especially when they start bringing in reinforcements. They're not even that hard to deal with as long as you have a status inflictor, but they're annoying damage sponges that eat up your time and sp.

>>381026219
Setting is cool, I like hoyman, johnny gudboy abd the monkey.
OST is god tier, the IV duology has the best OST in the franchise.
DDS/raidou/nocturnefags come at me.

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I miss the 90s era designs.

>>381026515
What can I say, the Persona games have a lovely style to them and for whatever reason I felt compelled to keep going.

>>381026509
I just got to Orthrus

>>381026350
Yeah I am starting to see that opinions on it are pretty polarized to being a love or hate kind of thing

>>381026802
>Best music
>Not even composed by Shoji Meguro
The White were Right

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...I think Devil Survivior Overclocked is fantastic and can rival many of the mainline smts. Curious to see what other people think since I don't see it discussed that often.
>>381026605
Pic related

>>381026565
>samey randomly generated dungeons

You mean like in Persona 3?

>>381024017
>I'm the kind of fag that plays games for story though, so does this one get better later on?
How about this

read a BOOK

YOU FUCKING NIGGER

>>381026394
>>381026339
>>381026802
yeah nice going samefag. also
>plot
>Tayama's redpill children farm
>that chaos ending
>ayylmao with deep cryptic evil left hand

some parts were okay but you're full of shit if you think iv's plot is passable

>>381026925
>Shoji Meguro
He's a hack

>>381026894
Ah, well, Naraku is basically the tutorial. It gets easier thereon in when you can exploit Press Turns more.

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>>381027106
It's perfectly passable despite having flaws.

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>>381027106
>samefag
Also I said lore not plot.

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>>381027106
Whats wrong with the Chaos ending? It's pretty similar to every other Chaos end in the series...

Not a IVFag btw.

>>381027003
Yes exactly like Persona 3. Gotta admit that was by far my least favorite part of the game. Weird how I still liked it even with that being such a big part of it

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Atlus should do a full on remake of Shin Megami Tensei 1 and 2. Like what Nintendo did with Fire Emblem Echoes.

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>>381026925
>preferring le epic butt rock man to the hardcore punk battle themes, vaporwave-like tunes and noise tracks
kys yourself, pleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0MEIzRlM8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQPDe1mU31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZHm4VllDs

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>>381026997
I love DeSu1 it was my first smt and it is what got me into the franchise.
Alignment routes are the best in the series.
Every routes is great rather than choosing the route you think will be the least fucked.
Chaos is still best route though

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>>381027327
>Implying i was talking about DDS or Nocturne
Try Strange Journey friendo

>>381027325
atlus is too lazy to do a true remake and would only settle for an advanced port, like usual.

>>381026894
>orthrus
Yeah you're still in the tutorial. You have your first proper boss coming in a while. You'll know when you've reached it as it's gonna kick your ass. After you've got another boss a little bit later then a pretty great reveal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx1sZYgp7E

One thing I really like is listening to IV's soundtrack even if the rest of the game doesn't interest me much.

>>381027327
My nigger

>>381026997

I loved it. The designated best friend that talks for the player shit didn't annoy me in it since he wasn't a retard for once.

>>381024017
Naraku is fucking awful but at least it is somewhat difficult. After reaching Tokyo the game only gets easier and easier to the point of the final bosses being a joke.

>>381027437
worst soundtrack in the franchise. You're making a fool of yourself.

>>381027306
Sounds like you want Tokimeki Memorial, not SMT

>>381027457
I'll try and stick with it some more then

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>>381026925
>game has meguro ost by.
>best track isn't even made by him
Leave SMT's OST and Meguro to me, filthy whitefag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMwv8MwYimM

>>381027659
Whoa buddy. Its a-ok if you like SMTIV's music; I do too. But there's no reason to bash on Meguro's works so hard. Why do you think they kept him around so long?

>>381027671
Does Tokimeki have a kick ass soundtrack and cool demons though? Big deal breaker here

>>381027437
This nigga knows what's up. Easily one of the best video game OSTs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnHhtulav8c&list=PL5C0B03AA8CB72C7A&index=14
>I will sing a new song onto the Lord.

>>381025235
Try getting to tokyo

>>381027398
Oh yeah Chaos is fun as fuck. Funnily enough on my first playthrough I thought the difference choices would just be different ways of dealing with the lockdown situation so I thought "Become king of Bel, tell demons to fuck off and chill with Atsuro". Didn't realise we would be going all Godslayer.
>>381027512
Yuzu is pretty retarded though. But Midori takes the cake. I WANTED to let her die but nope game forces you to save her.
>haha I'm a superhero
>shit Imma bout to die
>oh you saved me!
>right back to superhero stuff
Ffs

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Naraku is fucking awful and is widely known to be the worst part of SMT 4, for multiple reasons.
If you can carry yourself past that the game will definitely pick up.

Fugggg I want Deep Strange Journey right fucking now! Super hyped for it.

>>381027959
Naraku gets good right at the end with that boss fight and the boss fight that allows you to leave the dungeon.

>>381027659
>implying
https://youtu.be/jm0WlKRR3YU

>>381027267
>freedom is LIBERATING
>let's free the demons and let everyone survive on their own
>uh-oh, everything's in shambles
>looks like you'll have to be the one to uphold the LAW

>>381027225
you probably liked dragon ball evolution too.

>>381027230
lore, story same thing.

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>>381028110
Is it really that hard for you to grasp that people like something you don't?

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>>381027970
I'm glad I have Etrian Odyssey V to tide me over plus get me in the dungeon crawler mindset.
>>381028110
>lore, story same thing.
Are you retarded

SMT IV has the best world building/atmosphere in any SMT game. Apocalypse is shit outside of combat fixes

Prove me wrong. Pro tip You cannot_____

>>381027959
no it's not you slouch. Naraku was the best part because it was evenly paced and the demons you get were limited which kept you from undermining the broken smirks like literally everything else after naraku.. Minotaur and medusa are the best bosses this game had to offer.

>>381028348
>Not Nocturne
IVbabbies please leave

>>381027959
I honestly thought minotaur was the hardest boss in the game because of how shitty demons are at that point and because of Walter giving him free smirks.

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Personally I want some Judge Dredd motherfuckers in the next Mainline game.

Consensus seems to be keep going so I will stick to that, thanks!

>>381027824
I like Meguro's work especially in Nocturne and DDS. But his style got old pretty fast especially the guitar wankering. SMTIV's soundtrack just shows more sophistication, it's inspired by the older games but it also takes from other genres (noise rock, vaporwave etc.)

>>381028414
See it wasn't until I started doing the Labyrinth of Amala that I appreciated Nocturnes lore/world building. I wonder how many people skipped it and missed out on all of thst juicy info.

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>>381027948
Overlord route was great, becoming the king of all demons and fighting a war against god while you have the full support of all of humanity was great.
Black frost becoming the general of your demon army was just the icing on the cake.

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Do not bully the Bobo.

>>381028348
>that tfw when you're on the map in infernal tokyo
absolute kino

Leave Persona to me
https://youtu.be/IfHZQiFwcBE

https://youtu.be/egzutCUFaOw

https://youtu.be/vbB8mcM_xS8

https://youtu.be/_7KSHyF_X2M

https://youtu.be/jeEHKfaV80c

https://youtu.be/MTHFJacaIb8

https://youtu.be/QvDuBdcB2YE

>>381028330
they're interchangeable. either way, the lore is almost intangible.
presenting lore purely through visiting rooms and reading dialogue through lifeless sprites is lazy worldbuilding.

>>381024017
Play past naraku first(after you beat Minotaur), it gets more interesting past that. If it still feels like a hassle, drop it

>>381025728
Just play the numbered games to start with and move into the spinoffs however you wish to from there.

>>381027437
SJ is my favorite SMT game overall but I think it has the worst OST of ALL SMT by far outside of a few tracks like Mitra's dungeon's theme in Bootes and Sector Delphinus and Eridanus themes, which are just okay, all the rest is tryhard classical music with ominous chants which ends up being terribly generic and uninspiring.

>>381028853
dumb monkeyposter. How much of an autist can you be? Polluting every SMT thread with the same images over and over?

>>381024017
same

played on release and after getting to tokyo i just got tired of putting up with outdated mechanics

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>>381028672
Leave nocturne to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd6zu7anvgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9pTcq5uSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGORm3P0F1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx1sZYgp7E

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This is Pascal. Say something nice about her.

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>not starting with Digital Devil Story: Reincarnation of the Goddess

top pleb

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>>381026835
I don't. Not to say I dislike Kankeo's older work, but I do think he got better as time went on.

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>>381029129
She looks delicious

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>There are people in this thread that didn't enjoy devil survivor

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>>381029136
If I have to be honest I don't like most of kaneko's human character designs, but his art spreads are great

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>>381029309
I know, disgusting right?

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>>381029498
Doi does some good ones too.

>>381029647
Isn't that the same artist who does Blue Exorcist?

>>381029647

I want to see Hibiki naked.

>>381028348
>best world building/atmosphere

>Big Y put a big plate over japan
>"chosen" nips inhabit the top
>arbitrarily thinking they're some concept of samurai mixed with knights because why not
>there's a big portal that can take you to other dimensions because reasons
>Hope being some cryptic token character across dimensions for reasons unexplained because muh deep symbolism
>tayama built a children farm to squash them into red pills so demons can eat them, thinking that this is a viable alternative to just training them to tame demons themselves
>ashura-kai fights for individualism as a GROUP
>which is counter-intuitive to the fact that they're fighting xi wangmu who is essentially the icon that they should be praising

yeah, sure buddy

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>>381029067
I completely missed out on how good this OST was because i played through the entire game listening only through the 3DSs shitty speakers.

>>381029861
replay the game and talk with every NPC after every major event. The lore is great. You're missing out on a lot of the story.

>>381029754
No not even remotely close.
It is by the same who did Durarara, yozakura quartet I think and that one show with the oppai loli goddes hestia.

>>381029861
>>Big Y put a big plate over japan
But that was Masakado.

>>381030020
>The lore is great

why don't you give me a better answer instead of these one-liners like the rest of the game

>>381029067
The beginning of the VR battle music gives me Chrono Trigger vibes.

>>381030184
I just don't care that much about your opinion

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>>381024017
SMT4 is shit, play Nocturne or DDS.

I'm still scared of playing Apocalypse after the turd that was 4, fuck that game man.

>>381030314
>you're wrong
>but i'm not gonna explain why because i have no counterargument
>but you're still wrong

>>381029861
>there's a big portal that can take you to other dimensions because reasons
You didn't even play the game did you? The japanese government founded reasearch on the yamato perpetual reactor, which is basically an infinite source of energy linked directy to the expanse, using the national defense divinities. This is also before the nuclear war and "God's plan".

>>381030426
He clearly didn't even try to read into any of the plot points or lore. Don't even bother replying anymore.

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>>381030337
>not wanting to kill your friends
>not wanting to kill YHVH

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>>381029960
I played both.games on headphones so I.wouldn't know.
>Yfw you hear this track for the first time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EtFEfnwCxc
I love how the normal theme is mixes into it.

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>>381024017
It's shit play Persona instead

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>>381030569
Don't bother with him he just isn't godslayer material.
He will.never be worthy of valhalla

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>>381030569
Is the game better than 4? I'm almost finishing Stella Glow but I'm leaning towards starting DQ7.

Is Apocalypse a lot better than 4? How so?

>>381030337
IV is better than DDS, I'd say. It's definitely better than DDS2, if nothing else.

>>381030750
Depends on what you disliked about IV, ganeplay is great and probablynthe vest in the franchise since they fixed fusion and smirk.

>>381030750
I might tell you if you stop being a dumb frogposter.

>>381030750
Best gameplay in the series, okay story, bad human characters. Go for it if you want.

>>381030750
Better in almost everything
>select-able npc partners
>Pierce abilities
>STR actually works now
>map includes actual names and is not a clusterfuck to navigate

>>381030750
DQ7 is dull as fuck my dude. Don't do it.

>>381030020
>>381028753

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>>381031063
>>map includes actual names and is not a clusterfuck to navigate
FUCK ok anon you win, I'll give it a try, I remember being so confused playing 4 like shit EVERYTHING IS FUCKING THE SAME WHERE IS THAT BUILDING FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCJK.

And then you try to navigate with 1 random battle every 2 seconds, it was fucking hell man, almost like Eridanus but like Eridanus on the entire fucking game.

SMT remake with the OST redone by Koduka when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnl-gKT4ljI

>>381030750
You get a little too powerful too quickly, and the bosses are definitely pushovers. You fight some crazy bosses back to back and they're all criminally weak.

>>381031329
I thought every boss on 4 was a pushover too, playing on hard.

All I had to do was find the weakness on every one of them, fuse demons with the magic I needed and it was piss easy.

I'm having an awesome time playing P5 right now, good minibosses and great multi-phase bosses on every dungeon, its like heaven, and the difficulty is just perfect on hard.

>>381031545
>All I had to do was find the weakness on every one of them, fuse demons with the magic I needed and it was piss easy.
SMT deep gameplay in a nutshell. these are what smtdrones praise

>>381031134
>low budget game
>presenting the lore in non text form
are you retarded?

What happens when the 3DS dies?

No more SMT spin off games?

Sony only have persona

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>>381031329
Did you play on conflict, because some bosses like Odin could easily one shot my entire party.
>Mfw Odin's will of thunder+concentrate+thunder reign
>Mfw Vishnu flynn

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>>381031648
P5 doesn't have that problem and it has almost the same system, the problem was SMT4, the game, not the franchise.

>>381031672
4DS

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>last dungeon
>Hordes of Metatrons all over the place

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>>381031831
>mastema and seraph random encouters

>>381031672
TMS#FE was a spinoff SMT on home consoles

They'll probably put them on the Switch for a while because nobody owns a Vita

>>381031767
>>381031672

3ds2

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>>381031545
>All I had to do was find the weakness on every one of them, fuse demons with the magic I needed and it was piss easy.
And by the point you get decent buffs/debuffs and allmighty skills you can just nuke the shit out of everything without even caring about their weakness. I completely agree on P5 being better difficulty wise, even though by the end you're steamrolling through everything too.

>>381032062
>gozu-tennoh and janus in P1

good times

Is the Apocalypse difficulty for 4:A a fair difficulty options that doesn't rely on bullshit adjustments?

>>381031665
they could've spared at least a week or two in production to make a couple more human meshes and slap them around tokyo

i'm saddened that you couldn't travel around mikado in 3d

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Trust this man.

>tfw bought SMTIV at launch to show support
>was kicking my ass but liked it all the same
>got to Tokyo
>was too stupid to navigate where to go next for main quest

Fuck me.
I'd replay it on Citra but shit if it has controller options.

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>>381032482
and buy my game

>>381032306
War is better though the improved compedium costs are a huge pain in the butt. Still one of the most balanced SMT experiences.

>>381032364
If there is one thing that I am dissapointed in it is that we didn't see more of mikado, I really liked the ost in mikado as small as it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kfYwq35ZAY
I remember some anon having a really cool idea saying that most of the gane should have took place in mikado and that tokyo should have been a late game area and then apocalypse arrives and then.we see the enterity tokyo in apocalypse.

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So is anyone scanning that new Kaneko artbook?

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>>381032482
That's not a man and I only trust my nigga Gore.

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>>381032887
Anon

>>381032482
He was the most trustworthy demon/angel in smt IV ironically enough and actually bro tier to boot according to the artbook atleast.

>>381032524
>Almost feel at home once I got to Tokyo
>Tokyo being a bit guide-less was often a complaint
>Happens to be a complaint about my favorite series and it is more ambiguous how to progress than Tokyo in SMT IV
Just have to accept that JRPG players want a linear experience.

>>381033054
>imprison the archangels cuz he wanted daddy YHVH's attention to himself
>trustworthy
mmm

>>381033245
Wasn't Mastema serving the Great Will in IV? I vaguely recall hearing that.

>>381032964
For the sake of humanity, I decided to only play odd numbered Fallouts with a value higher than one.
>>381033228
>Just have to accept that JRPG players want a linear experience.
That's just western people and casuals, japan's RPG nerds love non linearity and freedom.

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>tfw must have listened to the overworld music 100000 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmObNL0BUo0

>>381033228
Having a terrible overworld without any kind of indication doesn't mean the game isn't linear anon. The only non-linear thing about SMTIV is the branching story leading into the ending, and that is in no way related to the map.

>>381033413
I hear that he was one of akira's demons in his party and that he was fulfilling akira's wishes when he sealed the archangels after his death and considering that Akira was a messiah and that messiahs are basically the avatars.of the great will it makes sense.

>>381032852
>I remember some anon having a really cool idea saying that most of the gane should have took place in mikado

jesus that's a neat idea.

>>381033653
I missed that bit of lore. It makes sense that Akira would want to seal the archangels after his death.

>>381033629
Indication of what? You just move from city to city and you see what region you move off to on the header of the map.

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>>381033581
I really like twisted tokyo's theme.
Especially 1:15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VZAAAs-YI

>>381029309
Record Breaker is one of if not my favorite game of all time. EO is a strong contender though.

So, how accurate is SMT4's world map to actual Tokyo? Excluding craters in Akihabara and stuff like that.

>>381033936
I am not sure how reliable it is since I heard that that was in the untranslated artbook of IV:A.

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Toot toot

>>381025235
2 is the actual favorite for anyone who has played more than just Nocturne
SJ is great too

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>>381033949
Meant to post this.
https://.youtube.com/watch?v=E7VZAAAs-YI
I really wish twisted tokyo wasn't just a massive domain.
I would have even be fine with it just being the world map but with that theme.

>>381033571
>japan's RPG nerds love non linearity and freedom.
Yeah, hence why it is the only place keeping series like SaGa alive.

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Who's the best Fiend and why is it David?

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>>381034495
But it's White Rider

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>>381034495
>not the whore of Babylon riding the beast of revelations

>>381034405
>tfw The Alliance Alive
I hope it comes over. Dunno why they made a "spiritual successor" series (TLoL and TAA) and marketed it as similar to SaGa when SaGa is fully alive and well.

>>381029132
You're not a TRUE TRUE TRUE SHIN SHIN TRUE SMT fan until you experience this.

>>381034679
Kawazu is getting up there in age.

>>381030528
>>381030426
>>381029861 held X to skip the cutscenes and is complaining about the story.

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>>381034590
>>381034632
Can either of them dance furiously though?

>>381034794
The book is actually not that good. It's an awkward story that has aged like the games spawned from it, i.e. the author got somewhat better over time but the original aged like milk.

>>381029665
Was it ever explicitly stated why Lilith's human form and Gabriel's human form looked the exact same?

>>381035000
Kawazu is immortal.

Okay so, Strange Journey or Nocturne for next SMT experience?

>>381035346
Jack Bros

>>381026335
That'll be two scoops for 300 Macca each, sir

>>381035262
Lilith & Gabby were irrelevant for the whole of the neutral path and never mentioned again.

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>>381035613
Only 2?

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>>381026997
>>381027398
>>381027948
DeSu1 was my first and it's definitely a good starting point.

>Literally 0 mana during the Babel fight (Naoya's path)
help

>>381036929
Punch him, really, really hard.

>>381027959
IMO Naraku was the best part of the game.

That opinion used to be pretty common here.

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>This got approved as a final boss design.

>>381035040
You can't defend both Tayama or the ashura kai. They're factions were retarded as shit

>>381037368
Old Brits used to wipe shit with their left hands. How's that for lore

>>381037213
I felt it was weak until right at the end of it when you got to the Minotaur and Medusa, but by then it was pretty much over. Then once you get out the game actually got engaging.

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>>381037368

>>381025638
>ebony & ivory
>Rebellion
>Bullet Time
>Stinger
>Showtime

>>381025235
If you like story to be spoonfed to you Nocturne isn't going to be your cup of tea either. Try Strange Journey.

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>>381036637
Why was Atsuro so based?
You wouldn't last a day inside the lockdown if it wasn't for him.

>>381037213
but naraku doesn't have the best overworld theme of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

>>381035262
Lilith was mocking Gabby. Gabby says as much at some point I believe.

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>>381038191
>goes into a physical build filling a very important niche you might be reluctant to go with, so you can go [Spell] Dancing all day with your main instead
>is Mr. Exposition but not pushy
>contrasted heavily for the first 2 days with Yuzu, who only ever talks about wanting to get out while Atsuro at least makes plans and has conviction in them even if he as scared as everyone
>is your best bud, what else's there to say

I ended up becoming fond of Yuzu too, but that's mostly after stocking the Devil Speed+Animal Leg combo on her initially, and then having her play utility with Heqet and Sarasvati and such. That 3 speed is annoying to play around in the beginning.

>>381026997
I preferred Record Breaker. I just couldn't get into the story of Overclocked.

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>>381029861
>ashura-kai fights for individualism as a GROUP
huh?

>>381038793
He probably meant ring of gaea but yeah I'd have to agree their groups were just nonsensical filler

>>381038729
>That 3 speed is annoying to play around in the beginning.
I am not sure why they gave all the magic heavy characters(Amane and Yuzu) only 3 movenents, it kinda forces your mc into the mage roll if you want a mage with 4 movement in the game.

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Pretty sure I stopped playing when Masakado made me his errand boy during a neutral playthrough. I should probably go back and finish but fucking shit.

>>381040056
>First route law
>Second route chaos
>Thought I'd do all the side quests this time around before I complete chaos
>Third route neutral
>Have to do all the fucking side quests again

Fucking damn it. Is it even worth doing the void route at all?

>>381039651
It seems to me like most Devil Speed and other +movement characters are physical, so I guess they wanted to make sure your artillery can't just hop around without sacrificing some synergy here and there.

>>381040519
>void route
Isn't it literally [push button to end universe]

>>381040601
Is *record scratch* kill in that end?

>>381027959
> finish Naraku
> wow, that dungeon sucked
> it's okay! There will be a lot more dungeons, it's a dungeon crawler after all!
> Naraku was the best dungeon in the game

>>381041005
He's in his own universe so no.

>>381041005
I think so, but it seems like that white ending Flynn is still alive fucking up timelines for shits and giggles.

>>381041189
If you get to the point in which demons are coming out of programs then there is nothing to fuck up.

>>381041303
>If you get to the point in which demons are coming out of programs then there is nothing to fuck up.
Welp I can't argue against that.

>>381024017
SMT is ded

>>381032524
Use Joy2Key to use controller in Citra. It's easy enough to set up.

>>381041189
What? How? He dies right there, just gets obliterated by the black hole. The Flynn in Messiahs in the Diamond Realm is from the neutral route

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>>381030727
IT'S NOT FAIR
FUCKING PERSONACHADS

>>381025519
So where does this Minitaur is hard meme come from? I literally plowed this fag like a bitch on my first attempt expecting some stage two harder part to kick in thanks to all the hype online. Is it safe to say that everyone who struggled had smt4 as their first smt or something? The only parts of the game that actually were difficult were David that one mushroom guy who appeared after the undead horde quest and Beelzebub, and the first two were only hard because you were worn down before an unexpected boss came to wreck your shit in while Beelzebub was just trial and error. Hell even Medusa was tougher than him

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>look up the Devil Summoner games
>Raidou's games are set in 1920-1930s
Wait.
What?

>>381032852
I think being on 3DS hamstringed the game significantly. Naraku's made out to be this massive thing, and the concept art for it is insane and really varied.

More of the game should've been spent in Mikado, with Naraku being treated like (for lack of a better comparison) Tartarus from P3. Then you'd get a real shock when you finally reach Tokyo and it changes styles and settings entirely, complete with a real SMT style overworld in Tokyo.

Though the way the NPCs changed dialogue and gave so much world building info as the game progressed really did highlight how much Mikado was changing while you were gone, and how it was entirely because you were gone for weeks to years at a time thanks to the time difference between the two.

>>381043710
Have you not played them? The period is a pretty big part of the setting.

>>381044135
Nope.
I'm pretty curious now though.

So how comes Akiras sister wasn't mentioned in SMT IVA/F? Iirc the whole reason he went up to mikado was to get his sister back even though he learns she's dead thanks to the time difference. Yet in IVF/A they instead act like he went up there to try and escape with his sister not being part of the equation at all.

>>381043607
It's a pure RNG roll. His Labrys Strike hits multiple random times on multiple random party members, with a high chance to crit. You only could have one phys resistant demon, and that's a shitty Lham Dearg. If he crits, he smirks, uses it again so that it guaranteed hits + crits multiple times at triple power, and it's pretty much a team wipe. Oni Kagura is also high crit and can lead to smirked Labrys Strike too.

Walter can also randomly be chosen as your party member, and he'll cast Agi, doing 0 damage and making Minotaur smirk and be able to roll your whole team if he Labrys Strikes afterwards.

>>381044343
Ah, I see that makes sense.

>>381044310
Dunno you think they would since Asahi was her reincarnation but for some reason that was never actually mentioned ingame. It's kind of weird how they retconned him going up to the surface to look for his sister after the cocoon took her into him staying for the people of Tokyo. Something tells me 4 wasn't written with a sequel in mind since there were a few contradiction/retcons like how Nozomi and Danu seemed to forget Flynn or just somehow solved the whole fairy succession without him somehow.

>>381045241
I just find it odd since they beat the "You are Akiras reincarnation!" thing over your head and even have Noizomi say those exact words whilst ignoring such a big part to his character.

>>381045413
To be fair, Apocalypse may as well have retconned Flynn's previous incarnation with how much they prop Akira up instead. Kinda weird we never got a name or even designation for him.

>>381037368
>Final boss
But he was just a bossrush midboss scrub?

>>381028110
>let's free the demons and let everyone survive on their own
>looks like you'll have to be the one to uphold the LAW
The game is clear that creating a world of chaos is really about creating a world where individuals could thrive based on their own merits (strength) and shape the world in their image. Walter straight us says what he wants is for humanity to be led by someone he sees as deserving of leadership, who is strong, charismatic, and passionate. The "law" Lucifer speaks of is not Law or "the law" as we know it, but the law of a tyrant.