well that sucked

Should have waited for USM.

>>381014623
Yes it did, but the /vp/ shills will tell you otherwise, like this nigger >>381014720
USM will just be more derivative garbage to cash in on the suckers that bout SuMo.

I thought this was praised as one of the best pokemon games?

t. wanted to buy a n3ds for this game, haven't played since ruby

>>381015224

Just wait for the ultra versions.

The game was pretty bad.

>>381014623
Was pretty gud

>>381015224
>I thought this was praised as one of the best pokemon games?
It was shit.

>>381015224
It's designed for literal children and basically plays itself. I liked some of the new pokemon like Salazzle, Mudsdale, and Araquanid but the game itself is trash.

All of the 3DS titles look like overrated trash and have pretty much no post-game to speak of. Especially ORAS.

>>381014623
Campaign was ok, but for the 20th anniversary game and all the hype around, shit sucks. Impossible to replay, especially when you remember that some pokémon are on specific areas, and with few % chance to appear.

Also no post game again.

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>>381015224
The golden era is between Platinum and B2W2, everything on the 3DS is pussyfooted, unfinished shit that shows Game Freak doesn't actually want to finish their games anymore

If USUM doesn't have a NatDex I'm dropping this shit series

>>381014623
Should've got Moon.

>>381016036
>there's a difference

>>381016715
The difference is that moon is even worst.

>>381015224
My opinion on it has changed quite a bit. After I first finished it, I thought it was great. There are still a lot of things I really like about it, like the Z moves, characters, and switching up the formula quite a bit (albeit somewhat artificially). But now, six months later, I realize I have zero drive to replay the games. The Pokemon distribution is shit. I always fill my team with completely new mons for my first playthrough and I struggled to do that this time around. There were way too many boring 1-stage evolutions, the Alola forms and Ultrabeasts were a poor excuse for the low number of new ones, and the old Pokemon they did have were mostly shit and could be found in multiple routes throughout the game, making me even more sick of them. The story was kind of interesting, but by making it a major focus, it detracted from other things, and I have no interest in hearing it again. The tutorial was long and the whole game was a little too hand-holdy. There's no post-game to speak of, and a lack of a national dex is baffling. I have a hard time remembering the different settings, let alone which island they appeared on, because everything looks pretty similar.

Overall, it's better than XY/ORAS, and it's nice to see some changes to the formula, but it also has major flaws.

>>381014623
The honeymoon period ended and it became pretty hard to ignore the glaring flaws and steps back from Gen 6
And worst set of starters in the franchise

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>>381018285
>Worse than Gen II, V or VI

>>381015224
It's average and in most rate threads it usually ranks as such in both posts and polls. A few tards either praise it as the best and a few tards force it as the worst, but don't bother listening to the ever-present crowd that can't rate in anything but 10s and 0s.

>>381014623
Why was gen 5 the last great gen?

>>381014623
Still leagues better than X, Y, OR and AS

>>381018641
>Gen V
>Worst than gen VII
Good joke anon.

>>381019323
I think he's talking about the starters.

>>381018641
It is considering its set of Pokemon are even worse than Kalos's, Alola's an even bigger shithole than Kalos/ORAS Hoenn and it discarded some of Gen 6's QoL improvements. A bunch of crappy lolis don't suddenly make Gen 7 decent

>>381015224
It was pretty cool at first, but there's pretty much 0 end game content and gets old very quickly. The fact that you don't get a nat dex and the region expands to provide older pokemon was really sad to see too. It's really refreshing at first, but just drops off too hard.

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>>381014623
>have tried to nuzlocke this game 10
>furthest I got was the first lusamine fight

>>381017905
Pretty good summary, although it doesn't make any mention of the totem battles being literal lagfests even on the stronger (((New))) Nintendo 3DS hardware.

Also XY was quite a bit better about Pokemon distribution than most other games. Literally every route had like 4 or 5 new Pokemon.

Also, Z-moves suck on almost every Pokemon. There are VERY few Pokemon that benefit from a Z-crystal being held over a much more useful Life Orb / Leftovers / Berry that many Pokemon already commonly use. One good example is a Normalium-Z Porygon-Z, with Conversion + 3 attacks or 2 attacks + Recover.

This series really needs to fix the way IVs and EVs are handled because it's so stupid to get anywhere in the game.

IVs -- Completely removed randomization of this. I don't care if IVs become a static 0 or 31 or anything else. It just needs to go because this is one of the biggest first hurdles in getting a decent Pokemon. Even despite the progress made in making it easier to find 31 IV Pokemon, breeding them onto a Pokemon still takes way too much time and doesn't encourage any replayability and variation of trying new Pokemon out. You slave away for a week to get a good Pokemon and you just never let it go because trying to do that shit again is asinine.

EVs -- Remove the whole "fight this Pokemon for X kind of EVs" bullshit. Enable an option on every Pokemon to enable growth in particular stats you want. For example, you catch a Gastly, you go to Gastly's bio in your team and toggle Sp Atk and Speed options to direct Gastly to focus on growing its proficiency in these stats. Also make a new NPC (similar to Move Deleter, etc.) that you can talk to have a party member reset its EVs.

Pare down the ridiculous amount of stupid evolution items in the game. Fire Stone, Magmarizer, etc. Just make an NPC in every Pokemon Center that's an Evolution Expert or whatever that can assist in helping your Pokemon evolve if you meet certain requirements and pay a fee.

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>>381019010
>Black and White were the only time Masuda made good games
>Black 2 and White 2 were the last games done by somebody other than Masuda the Hack or Muh Deepest Lore Ohmori
>Black 2 and White 2 were the last games that weren't half-assed or felt unfinished
>Black 2 and White 2 were the last games to actually add to any on-going story instead of being self-contained BS or retcons
>Black 2 and White 2 had better fanservice than the games that rely on nothing but fanservice

USUM might be good, but only if they're just SM with actual content like what B2W2 were. And if they stop with the garbage tutorials

>>381018285
>worst staters
what is gen 2?

If the only reason you don´t like it because of
>muh tranny seal
>muh bipedal tiger
then fuck off. They gave you Tiger Mask as pokemon and all you fags cry because he is bipedal.

>>381019010
It was the "wake up" for them.
As in it was the last gen they made without realizing it hurts the sales not to include gen 1 callbacks and easy appeal to the (profitable) casual players who stop after beating the E4.
BW2, which is regarded by many as a high point due to large amounts of extra content and activities after the main story, was one of the lowest sellers in the entire series. XY, which is commonly regarded as a low point in the series for a disappointing singleplayer followed by considerably less to do after the story (if you're not into online), was an excellent seller and many praised the inclusion of Kanto areas in 3D and the re-inclusion of popular Kanto Pokemon such as Charizard that they were disappointed that BW didn't include (many skipped BW2 after disliking that in the initial BW).
In short, they realized the most profitable audience wasn't the people who liked BW/2.

>>381019010
Black/White Gen was shit. The entire roster was like Pikomen variations to the original 151 roster.

>>381019826
So in short the fanbase is at fault for being tasteless retards that want to eat garbage.

>>381019729
They gave us a Machoke with a cat's head and fur sloppily pasted on and then called it Fire/Dark cause no one wanted another shitty Fire/Fighting final evolution

>>381016715
The only difference is that most of Moon's exclusive legendaries are better than Sun's in battle.
Lunala>Solgaleo
Pheromosa>Buzzwole
Celesteela>Kartana

>>381015857
You should probably go back and play old pokemon games. If you find them challenging you might be retarded

>>381019438
>Trans seal
>Cartoon cat
>The birb that is literally outskilled by an anchor of all things
>Better than snek, pig and abomination.

>>381020168
Well for one snek and abomination are literally some of the most useless starters of all time

Ganon is shat on by the two starters that came before it. Even fucking Delphox is more redeemable

>>381015025
From /vp/ here. It's been pretty split with people thinking SuMo is trash and others praising it. If you like cut scenes and face rolling through npcs then boy this game is for you.

>>381019729
>what is gen 2?
The only bad one there was Meganium. Feraligatr is crazy awesome, the second best Water starter after Greninja, and Typhlosion is awesome at least by design only. Typhlosion is at least better than Emboar and Incineroar and can utilize Choice Scarf Eruption shenanigans.

>>381019729
>Gen 2 had worst starters
>Not gen 4
Am I being memed?

>>381020324
Gen 5 starters are pretty cool design-wise if you ignore samurott. They should have just gotten more creative with the typings instead of making set of inferior starters like in gen 2. Samurott could have easily been water/fighting or even water/rock. Minor changes to Emboar's design could make it fire/dark or fire/steel- it's a stretch to say it looks like a fighting type as it is.

>>381020168
>The birb that is literally outskilled by an anchor of all things
This alone show that you don't know shit about the game.

>Cartoon cat
Why is that even a default in a child game ?

>Trans seal
Literally a meme

S&M were averages, but i'll take anything after the shit pile that was Kalos.

>>381019976
Not all of the fanbase necessarily.
The older players clamored for more of it and many did make mention of it. While not all of them hated SM (usually ranking it average-low but not worst) I almost always see the complaints for both gen 6 and 7 including lack of content.
The difference is that "older players" aren't who made up the entire consumer base. Casual players who play until the end of the story and put the game down there make up an enormous amount of it, and they are highly profitable. The Pokemon fanbase in general though, is HIGHLY volatile when it comes to change, and the drastic change in BW alienated a massive portion of players who only wanted to use older Pokemon rather than the new ones, and they took that judgement to BW2.
Not to mention that third versions/sequels often sell far less than the inferior initial versions, so an initial version panned that much for lack of old pokemon would inevitably have a crash and burn for a sequel. People still complain about the gen 5 Pokemon to this day and dismiss the entire gen based on only Garbodor and Vanilluxe.

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>>381020769
>Gen IV being anywhere close to worst

Did you not play Sinnoh?

It was fun for 1 playthrough but the repeatability is absolute trash compared to other Pokemon games.

Hopefully ultra sun and moon can be better

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>>381015224
It has theoretically good ideas that get burried under PLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOTPLOT and generally being too easy.

Seriously, the totems are actually pretty fun fights if they actually get the chance to fire off their gimmicks, but unfortunately Pokemon is basically about ALPHA STRIKE through the main game, so you can kill em before they get a chance even by accident unless you ACTIVELY gimp yourself to prevent it.

And Japanland hated Totemfights for being "too hard" so they gonna get dropped.

Fake God Dogger is cute tho.

>>381020773
Yeah but it's a waste of what could've been alright designs

Also Emboar's shiny is an eyesore

>>381020887
>Just coloured Penguin, Turtle and Monkey
>Good

pokemon is fifa

>>381020168
>outskilled by an anchor
Now I love Dhelmise, one of my favorite Pokemon from the new gen, possessed slime covering a discarded anchor. But it simply isn't as good as that silly looking owl. Not only do they fill different roles, Dhelmise is generally known to be below Decidueye in viability by anyone in the competitive community.

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>>381021057
Yeah they are good. Pretty fucking good to the point Sinnoh's like the only region where you can pick any of the 3 starters and not look like a total tool for picking the wrong one

>>381019245
Yeah, but if it's bad than what's the point of being an improvement?

>>381020973
The totem fights were actually challenging. Too bad they're going to get nerfed because normies can't into strategy. I hope the new games will expand more on Gladion and his dogger since it felt like his character development mostly happened offscreen.

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>>381021024
>using masuda method for shiny emboar
>initially had sp.attack-boosting nature because I wanted to do scald shenanigans
>change mind and want a brave one
>decide to remove everstone and hatch until I got a brave 5IV tepig to breed
>ended up hatching a shiny neutral nature tepig in the process
Shiny emboar looks lovely but it pains me to look at it now

>>381020973
Kids on Miiverse complained about not being able to beat Lurantis and Mimikyu strangely often.

I love the new designs though, bug types were pampered this gen.

>>381020773
>you ignore samurott
I dont get the hate samurott gets. He's the coolest one.

>>381021212
>Implying there is such thing as a "wrong one"
Grow some balls, mate.

>>381019710
talking about things BW2 did
For the love of god give us challenge mode again and MAKE IT AVAILABLE FROM THE START

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>>381014623
>All that prerelease build up hinting at a story involving the Ultra Beasts and Type: Null
>It's all basically absent, with a whole one Ultra Beast Beast battle before the post-game

>>381021136
Mario and Zelda is pixar quality

Mainline Pokemon is like DreamWorks animation release yearly

>>381021492
He's the least popular out of the final evos for gen 5 starters. Dewott is actually the most popular starter overall though, people just hate Samurott.

>>381021781
>people just hate Samurott.
Yeah I dont get it. I think he looks boss.

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Pokemon are like Call of Duty is the same fucking game

Why people like this garbage?

>>381021781
Dewott's more popular than smugleaf?

>>381020973
Totem fights in many ways were much harder than most any gym battle in games before it. So while, yeah, if you _know_ what you're doing you can still shit on totems, those who don't know shit about competitive viability of Pokemon and just pick Pokemon that look cool are getting wrecked left and right by the totem battles. IRL friends and coworkers who bought into it never finished the game, as far as I know. They all stopped playing it after a month or so, while I had beaten it while playing casually over the course of like 10 days.

So, no, I don't get the whole "Sun/Moon was too easy" meme. It was, in actuality, one of the consistently tougher games so far, still not tougher than BW2, but still up there.

I would prefer if they kept that kind of difficulty there, at least as an option, because the totem fights actually got pretty gnarly if your strongest Pokemon got crit OHKO'd suddenly while boosting and now have to contend with the Totem Pokemon's antics while using Pokemon that may not have a type advantage or SE attacks.

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>>381021492
His only real issue is that Nintendo/GF are weirdly insistent on keeping him on all four rather then Bipedal, with fails to invoke the Shogun image properly.

He is cool when he actually gets to do what his line is all about, being Samurai, but i think there is like ONE official image out there that has Samurott on two and going all BLADE DRAW.

>>381021572
t. picked Charmander

>>381021905
The most common complaint is that the change is too drastic, from what I've seen. I just think the fat legs look silly, especially when it's battling and has to lie on its belly to use both front limbs.
>>381021970
By a slight margin, according to the official Pokemon starter polls from the Pokemon company.

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It sure did.

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>>381021717
>Zelda
>Pixar

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>>381021982
S/M difficulty was fine, it's X/Y that were laughably simplistic

that said bringing back BW2 style battles would be fun

>>381022257
Is this ranking based on ball effectiveness? Because the Pokeball might work less but it looks way better than the Hyper Ball or Great Ball, and the masterball is just ugly.

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What are some games with monster designs on par with pokemon? I feel like the only reason I still play this is because I love the pokemon designs while the actual game is just autopilot. I feel like I had more fun shitting about on /vp/ when pokemon were being leaked than playing the game.

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>>381022257
>XY above BW or SM
>XY above anything when it's literally the same as DP but even more irredeemable for never getting a finished/fixed version

>>381022334
I wondered why they didn't limit the amount of moves trainer Pokemon had in previous ones as much. Stops the retarded AI from spamming boosting moves while you beat the shit out of them and focuses them on hitting you.

After XY, ORAS, and now SM I don't think I can trust gamefreak anymore. at least the mystery dungeon games are still fun

>>381022543
actually the BW2 challenge mode AI is pretty damn good about picking when to use boosting moves

If you're not prepared for it, Marshal is a difficult fight. Same thing with Iris, if you're lacking in priority moves that haxorous can easily sweep your entire team

>>381015224
/v/ doen´t like videogames newfag

>>381022517
It depends on if you mean design quality or style.
Few games emulate Pokemon's style properly, so that'd be hard to recommend for.
Pokemon has high design quality, so if you mean that, there are plenty of games with great monster designs.
Excepting gameplay
>Etrian Odyssey
>SMT
>Sin and Punishment 2
All have great designs. Depends on if you want similar gameplay though since those aren't like Pokemon much, with thin similarity only shared with SMT.

>>381020973
>And Japanland hated Totemfights for being "too hard" so they gonna get dropped.
Are you fucking kidding?

>>381022519
BW and SM had shit pokemon distribution.

XY, while easy as hell, had probably the best distribution of Pokemon. We're talking about XY having the Central, Coastal, and Mountain Kalos Pokedexes, each with ~150 Pokemon species. You could choose a few of the very sparse new XY Pokemon, or enjoy just about any old favorite from almost every gen along your main playthrough.

Yes, XY was funner than BW's reskinned Gen1 Pokemon (with no older favorites obtainable at all until after finishing the game) or SM trashy Pokemon distribution and shit game mechanics.

>>381022789
I know that but I mean in the games that just use the same AI and don't have difficulty. I can't count the amount of times I would have lost a Pokemon or took heavy damage but the AI decided to use Dragon Dance or something instead of Draco Meteor.
Marshal was challenging enough, not denying that. Always was happy I decided to choose B2 over W2.

>>381023085
Honestly all that just isn't worth it for the shit region and characters. Especially when all 3 in particular are nothing but total text dumps since the games are completely braindead easy

SM isn't for autists, time to grow up

>>381023419
Yeah, and between three deplorably easy games, with shit story (in usual Pokemon fashion), I'll pick the game that has the highest Pokemon diversity every time.

Yes, I am saying XY got a gold medal between BW1 and and SM, but it's a gold medal at the special olympics.

If I had to play one of the three, it'd be XY.

>>381022257
Emerald is the only truly great Pokemon game I've played. I don't understand what makes people say B2W2 or HGSS are the best

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>>381015224
>I thought this was praised as one of the best pokemon games?
Maybe on NeoGAF. The only people I see praising SM are waifufags, because the entire game revolves around being the bodyguard to a whiny, submissive loli who refuses to better herself for 90% of the game and attempts but fails to better herself for the last 10%.
SM definitely have some good aspects but you're constantly interrupted by cutscenes attempting to flesh out the "story" despite Game Freak having never wrote a good story in their entire existence, making it thoroughly unenjoyable for me. I'm never replaying SM, and if USM is like SM I'm only going to play it once after pirating it.

If you haven't played a Pokémon game since Ruby, I recommend Platinum, Heart Gold and Soul Silver, and Black 2 and White 2 (you might want to play the first Black and White before that since BW2 is a direct sequel, but that's up to you, BW2 are better games by far)
>>381020973
>Japanland hated Totemfights for being "too hard" so they gonna get dropped.
Are you fucking serious? Totem fights were one of the best parts of the game, if they cut those for SM but keep Lillie in I'm going to flip my shit.

>>381023173
that's the result of the "switch prediction" AI
if the AI has damaged a pokemon to the point a kill is guaranteed it will start behaving differently in later games (I believe it was first introduced in platinum) and in anticipation of you withdrawing that pokemon will use a move of a different type in the hopes of catching your switchin unprepared, use pursuit or even use a boosting move on the switch

problem is while this works fine in non-item environments such as the battle frontier and similar in the regular game this simply allows the player the time to full restore

so while in your position that dragon dance simply allowed you to heal your pokemon, in a no-item situation where you switched out to preserve your 'mon, you're now faced with a sweeper with a free dragon dance boost. In say the battle frontier, that's gamewinning

>>381015991
This is too erotic, why is this in the show?

good game

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>>381022949
>SMT
>great designs
there are a few diamonds in a pool of shit

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>>381014623
I gave up after black and white.
Pokemon games will never be good again unless they get rid of all the pokemon and start over. They ruined it with mega evolution, super beasts, lots of bad pokemon designs, and much much more.

>>381023784
>BW2 are better games by far
Except not.

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>>381014623
At least it wasn't X/Y or G/S/C.

>>381015224
For like the first month, and that was only because honeymoon phase. This happens literally all the time, and time will truly tell you where the games rank.

>>381023841
I listed three of the games I could think of where I had seen people praise the monsters.

>>381023860
the fact that you are talking about bad designs after bw make you sound retard enough

>>381023806
Strange. Never heard it explained as such, thanks.

>>381023419
>shit region and characters
Alola isn't any better

>>381024147
it must be mentioned though that this is only relevant post introduction of the prediction AI and only for trainers that actually use it (gym leaders, elite 4, important battles (rival/evil team) and the ace trainer/veteran class trainers)

if the AI does something monumentally stupid in gen 1, it's just the AI being dumb

>>381024371
Oh yeah, I didn't have a doubt that was just "randomly pick a move."

>>381023949
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man

>>381021329
>one shot near everything
>barely use z moves
>just fight ever trainer i find and never really grind on wild mons
>dont even need to cheese the E4 with healing items
>people found this hard

Fucking casually, now the champ in b/w2 was fucking hard.

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>>381024070
I'm saying black and white had bad designs and it was the reason I gave up on pokemon idiot.
Who in their right mind would defend b&w pokemon designs?

>>381017905
The fact that Pelipper appeared on half the routes in the game right on the heels of ORAS felt insulting.

>>381023736
B2W2 has loads of shit to do and a large dex

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>>381024706
still hilarious pic related is the most difficult of all Champion battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHVAk2DjS8

Big Nintenbro/former Pokemon fan here. S&M were irredeemable garbage. They were easily one of the worst games I've ever bought. Never has a Pokemon game fallen so flat, the story is a massive drag to slog through. Unironically, these games made me soft drop the franchise. I'll still eventually pirate USM, but at this point it'll be tough to get me back on board. Gen 4 and 5 were the peak, Gen 6 was the decline, and now it has come to this...

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>>381019826
>BW2, which is regarded by many as a high point due to large amounts of extra content and activities after the main story
I recall it only really adding World Tournament (admittedly very cool fanservice) and the White Forest/Black City dungeon thingy as postgame battling facilities, on top of the usual Battle Subway (Tower). Other than that, there was the more gimmicky stuff like Pokestar Studios and Musicals, but how many of even the people who enjoyed the rest of what was mentioned bothered with those?
I'd still say the games with Frontier (Emerald, Platinum and HGSS) edge out in terms of tough & interesting singleplayer battling content.

...But I would also be the first to say that gen 5 is my favourite set of games solely because Game Freak really nailed the singleplayer story quest of those.

>>381024824
well, pelipper was buffed to an almost ludicrous degree in S/M so at least it wasn't another shitmon

>>381024706
>anything used Blizzard/Ice Beam
>anything used Thunderbolt/any fighting move
Hell even Samurott alone is enough.
Really fucking hard eh.

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2>1>3>4=5>7>6

this is fact

>>381024915
man what a cute, game iris is so much better then show iris

her her cute appearance after being a tomboy previously and her theme really surprised me, man that game was fun

>>381025030
2 has aged like milk

>>381024989
BW2 did have the challenge mode though which introduced a fair amount of genuinely interesting battles throughout the story

>>381024706
Be glad you don't actually look at the casual community for Pokemon more than this.

>>381025030
>RBY above anything
>RSE above BWB2W2
No

>>381024706
>he doesn´t play nuzlocke
>he doesn´t turn off the exp share
the casual is you

>>381025014
If you don't grind and just fight the trainers you find, iris is a decent challenge.
Even with elemental advantages, her team has a good stat spread, decent moves, and a good type variety despite being a dragon team.

Cynthia was also a decent fight inplatinum, and hell the real final boss of gold/silver was a good fight too.

Alder was kinda meh, but overall from gen 4-5 we had a decent difficulty scale.
Gamefreak went full retard.

>>381024989
I really liked Pokéstar Studios. I can't understand why Musicals even exist or how Game Freak thought they were a suitable replacement for Contests, though.

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>>381025164
>bw2 fan

Just got past first hakuna matata or whatever with just my evolvef lit kitten, still useless abra, magnem8te, grimer and spearow (gen wun only)

Nothing but cutscenes up the ass and handhold8ng all te way through. Skipped so many battles but still breezing through.

Does it eventually ease up on the cutscenes or will it continue to stop me every 5 seconds until the end?

Theres only 4 hakuna matatas right?

>>381025221
>exp share

Nigger pokemon level way faster in sun and moon, everything is easier.
I didn't have EXP share on, I just party rotation.

>>381024824
That's actually the specific pokemon I was thinking of when I made that post.

>>381019010
It was the last time Gamefreak had a director that put in effort. Masuda got lazy and didn't want anyone to fix Kalos like they typically do for each generation, and then his protege is taking over for him, who thinks he's some hot shot Stephen King or whatever and believes he can tell some epic story, so then he puts most of the effort into the story that no one gives a shit about.

Someone post that Morimoto quote about HGSS, and then Masuda's """""excuse""""" on why ORAS has no battle frontier/meaningful postgame

>>381025315
No, the cutscenes get even worse. Drop the game while you're still early Anon. S&M are the biggest blunder on the 3DS

I like it.

And I'm so glad that HMs are no longer a thing. It was about time.

I really hope when the 4th gen remakes are eventually released they keep it that way though I have my doubts.

>>381024989
PWT, BT/WT, Subway, Pokestar, Musicals, Join Avenue, Dropped Item Subquest, The Royal Unova, several areas with new daily trainers such as the sports arenas, multiplayer features in the Entralink, and the Dream World. There are a few more features but they're minor.

>>381025105
Yeah, but my post was about whether B2W2 deserves to be mentioned for having tons of postgame (I personally think it's not as impressive a lineup as any of the Battle Frontiers).

Challenge Mode being a thing that exists also factors into my opinion of 5th gen having the best main story quest. If only the method of unlocking it wasn't so fucking retarded.

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>game tricks you into building a main party of favorites with all the really nice mons it gives you
>but in reality yo need to be purifying and swapping out pokemon constantly to get anywhere or the last stretch of the game will assfuck you even with healing items
>also the game gives you barely any money so its easy to fall in a trap were you need to grind to get money for items so you can even level grind reasonably

>>381019826
>hurts the sales
>BW only sold 1.5 million less than DP
>BW2 is the 2nd best selling "3rd version", behind Yellow version of course.

When will the "gen 5 almost killed pokemon ;_;" meme end?

>>381025030
4 > 5 > 3 > [2 > 1] > 7 > 6
I hold 2 and 1 dearly in my heart but their remakes outclass them so I feel I have to rank them lower.

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>>381025232
Iris's team significantly benefits of the challenge mode buffs though

unless you overleveled heavily it's very much possible to fail the OHKO on her druddigon and lose your water type to his sheer force life orb thunder punch

>>381025578
It didn't. But compared to the series as a whole it was among the lowest sales wise. Third versions and sequels always sell lower.

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>>381025315
Cutscene ratio

>Island 1: Unforgivable amount of Tutorials
>Island 2: The best part of the game, not as many cutscenes
>Island 3: Cutscenes pick back up for le plot
>Island 4: Nothing but cutscenes

>>381025221
Nuzlocke is probably the worst meme amongst Pokemon. Shit is on "Let's Play" tier and is a terrible way to try to get the much better games to emulate the very shitty animay experience.

Nobody gives a shit about your "m-m-muh nuzlocke let's play" shit.

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>>381025614
>sheer force life orb thunderpunch

>>381025353
you mean is faster if you defeat a pokemon with higher level than you?
is also lower if you are overlevel

>>381025765
>rotate out weaker pokemon after your regular party faces gets to far ahead
>they shoot up in level crazy fast even with exp share off

honestly its not a bad system, it would be fine if EXP share was just a single pokemon like before

>>381025232
No. Every single point you made in your previous post can be applied to any Pokemon game and doesn't change Samurott being able to easily solo her.

Red is one of the easiest trainers in the franchise considering his position and only has levels going on for him. This is also proved by him being one of the worst trainers in the PWT even when fought by CPUs.

Platinum is the only decently hard Pokemon game, and even then it had to fix things so bad that not even XY or GS did, like giving an E4 two fucking early bugs.

>>381025713
Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum sold less than BW2. I guess by that, Crystal, Emerald and Platinum almost killed Pokemon hurr durr.
BW sold on par with XY, around fifteen point whatever million. Guess XY almost killed Pokemon too :^)

>>381025308
>he likes the shithole that is Hoenn

>>381025030
5>3>7=4>6>1>2

>>381025908
platinum is undermined by infernape being able to solo the game easily
maybe with backup from bravest bird

>>381025729
This is accurate. Akala was the only time I was consistently having fun, even if some of the roadblocks there were really stupid like the Stoutland.

>>381019710
>add to any ongoing story
There was an ongoing story up to that point out of RGBY->GSC?

>>381019245
That's not saying much.

>>381025938
When did I say it "almost killed Pokemon?"
I said it was a lower seller and a huge portion of the audience was alienated by BW's design choices, and as such they didn't repeat such decisions in future titles.

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>>381015991
This is a blue board you sick fuck

>>381025872
>rotate out weaker pokemon after your regular party faces gets to far ahead
>they shoot up in level crazy fast even with exp share off
thats like in every generation...

>>381025908
bro I didn't grind shit in sun and moon or x/y and breezed right past that game no problem

>>381025938
Kind of have to buy it before people can say it was bad for features that were in the game themselves.

Cool thing about legendaries and semi legendaries in first 2 gens were they were just there to discover, with h8nts of them around.

Didnt play bw/2 or ruby/sapphire but since x/y at least they built up to them through the story alll the way through and had them appear in an easy story battle.

Its just doesnt have the same mystique m

>>381026224
except past games didn't give an exp modifier if your mon was weak then the enemies mon, it was a fixed amount of exp

some mons just gave more in general, and exp requirements increase as your level goes up

the exp required for most pokemon form level 99-100 is in the same ballpark as level 1-30

>>381026297
in BW2 it's actually impossible to capture the main legendary during the course of the story
that said there's 3 legendaries that show up randomly and later on the legendaries are in the spot where you fought them before

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>>381026112
No because Masuda started the whole each game needs to be a soft reboot bullshit since Hoenn. That way it requires less effort to make new games

>>381026045
>saying 1/2 were the worst gens and putting them below 6/7
That has to be a joke, right?

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>>381026170
She's getting reado to go swimming, there's nothing wrong with that

>>381026224
It's not though. Was introduced in 5, dropped in 6 and came back in 7.

>>381026227
I never grinded except for beating fourth gen Aaron's Drapion and breezed right through every single game.

See? I can do that too.
You know that people can have different experiences?
At least you're speaking your own experience though, and not falseflagging like >>381026297

>>381026158
This is supported by absolutely nothing. A 1.5 million decrease is nothing and wouldn't influence a developers decision one bit when the first games of a generation on average sell around 15 million You'd have a point if BW sold less than 10 million, but it didn't.

>>381026664
That's a hoennbabby in disguise, they are niggers

>>381015224
It's the only Pokemon game I've been able to finish since 3rd gen. It was fun to play, but i was also playing alongside my girlfriend so that probably affected my thoughts on it. try to play with a friend

in hindsight, a lot of it sucked. most trainers only have like 2 pokemon, the story can drag, and there's not enough pokemon variety during the game or post-game

also there is no post game

alola forms were a very good way of bringing back Kanto pokemon though. I wish there had been more

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>>381026297
>Since XY
*Since RSE

>>381026664
It's a meme Hoennbabies perpetuate that the series didn't get good until Gen III and that the first two are unplayable, despite them being games with a lot more soul in them since Gen III was the starting point of the series being a franchise instead of Tajiri's pet project

>>381022334
Define BW2 style battles, it's been awhile since I last played it.

HG/SS > B/W2 > PLT = EMERALD > B/W > R/S = D/P > S/M > G/S/C > R/B/Y > X/Y

>>381026379
Gen 5 did tho.

>>381026728
you mean 2 million decrease

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>>381022543
In Red/Blue, every Pokemon on every NPC trainer's teams had their levelup moveset, except for 'boss fight' trainers having ONE Pokemon (their ace) with ONE special move added/replaced (for Gym Leaders specifically, it was their signature move that they gave you a TM of afterwards. Also Champion Blue's Blastoise having Blizzard and shit).

This led to both shitty movesets on certain Pokemon (as we've all seen how Champion Blue's Rhydon and Exeggutor ended up) and also some interesting game design choices to make up for it, like all of the Pokemon Lance uses learning Hyper Beam at high levels so all his Pokemon can use that as his 'signature' move (also his fucking haxx'd Dragonite having Barrier as a special move, what the fuck).

They got a bit better afterwards though, even Yellow version changed up boss NPCs dramatically by changing lineups, buffing levels and giving them far more competent movesets. You're right that the AI was never too good, though, until they smartened them up a bit for postgame battle facilities or B2W2's challenge mode.

Also, I appreciate the Lanaposting anon in this thread

>>381026728
Like>>381026254 said, they would have bought it before they could form a solid opinion on it. I never said anything about BW selling less, the hype surrounding it at the time was huge. Remember when /vp/ was new?
I was referring to BW2. I acknowledged that thirds receive lower sales, and anyone can see Crystal and Emerald sold lower than BW. It's more speaking to the climate of the time and how it was released on DS while 3DS was coming out.

>>381026990
BW2 challenge mode, it had fairly interesting teams for it's various important npc's
tons of coverage moves, occasionally a fun little tactic etc
it still wasn't to hard but you had to actually think a bit about what you were doing

>>381026664
I hold dear my gen 1 memories, but they didn't age well, specially 2

Honestly gen 1 is gen1 tier, it started it all and I love it, also I fug'd up and swap 4 with 1

>>381026776
Outside HGSS and DPP no game has postgame though.

>>381027045
gen 5 didn't have EXP all and expshare was given mid to late

It was okay. The trails were a nice change of pace from gym battles, but I felt as though they were much less fun on my 2nd time.

My feelings for S&M are pretty similar to how I felt about B&W. If the sequel is as good as B&W2 was, I'll be very very happy.

>>381020973
But it was actually challenging, not easy.

>>381027441
see
>>381026379
>except past games didn't give an exp modifier
>>381025353
>Nigger pokemon level way faster in sun and moon, everything is easier.
>I didn't have EXP share on, I just party rotation.

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>>381027257
You're welcome

>>381027387

HGSS doesn't have postgame, Kanto is apart of the regular game. Johto is anemic, likely because they had to fit another continent in.

>>381023009

Japan and the west have completely opposing opinions for Pokemon half the time. Guess what fanbase GF listens too?

>>381025574
Great game though.

Honestly I don't find major interest in a pokemon game since platinum, but I am still playing them only for the virtual pets factor.

I think sun/moon are a major upgrade to x/y, but no pokemon game will have much content as the ds games anymore.
Maybe things will be different on the switch, but more probably they will just focus on the graphics.

>>381027846
It's anemic because Game Freak have always been incompetent programmers that couldn't fit the original in a GBC cartridge. Iwata managed to pack that shit in so hard they had room for more shit so they just said fuck it and tried to fit Kanto in as best as they could

They really have not gotten better as programmers considering how SM runs on the 3DS

>>381027274
I'm more afraid of USM bein good than them being mediocre like SM, since they are probably going to sell way less than any other 3DS Pokemon game, and if they are good they cold end up sending the wrong message to Gamefreak.

>>381028012
once you start playing it as a team rocket simulator stealing powerful mons and swapping out weak ones, it becomes mad fun

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>all these super tiny routes and dungeons
>almost all routes and dungeon designs are straight lines with the occasional "summon ride pokemon here"
>those redundant ride pokemon that don't do anything except get you past a slightly different tile that they could've just added to the existing one you already had
>all those spots in cities that are giant blank squares with under construction signs
>cities are also smaller anyway
>aside from a few interesting fights, trials were mostly an excuse to spend even less time designing interesting gym gimmicks/puzzles, so even fewer dungeons than usual
>that one totem in the valley that doesn't even have any exposition, it's just A Big Pokemon showed up
>all of the Elite Four are built up as people you've met except for the one literal who
>almost nothing post game

>ULTRA SUN AND MOON A YEAR LATER BUY THEM TODAY GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS

will Gen 8 just be an unironic early access game

>>381026586
Can we just sit and imagine what the Pokemon games would be like with continuity outside of random references? None of this Mewtwo can be always caught shit, more shit in the Distortion World could be dabbled with to introduce more antagnostic legendaries, more of a "yes these games are in the same universe" feel.

>>381028092
Iwata invented an entire compression method at the last bit of time they had. Saved their asses.

>>381028175
I hear ya m8.
It'll still be nice to have a full game, but I hope that it can sell well just because the better versions always sell way less than the inferior first ones.

>>381028268
>>cities are also smaller anyway
Bait?

>>all of the Elite Four are built up as people you've met except for the one literal who
This i fucking loved meeting four literally whos that had nothing else to do in the game than being fought by me for those 5 minutes.

>>381028268
you know all the third games always took a couple of months to develop right?

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>>381026586
Putting it that way just feels like misrepresenting things, gen2 already felt like a lukewarm reheating of gen1 as far as story was concerned. Like what, you're another kid starting off on your Pokemon adventure, but this time you don't have a foil as a rival character, just some random kid who, as we learn years later, just had some daddy issues. You beat up some far less threatening remnants of Team Rocket when they try to kick up fuss. You conquer both Johto and Kanto, but it doesn't feel like the journey means anything this time, unlike in gen 1 where you set out to discover the whole world. It feels like gen2 is just content to build the Pokemon world itself (there's lands to the west of Kanto! There's Pokemon eggs! Mysterious new Pokemon like Unown!), not provide you with a story *in that world*.

In that sense, I much prefer the approach they've taken since then. But I'm certainly not opposed to more straight-up sequels like B2W2, they just have to make it actually interesting.

>>381028814

Well duh, they're 95% reused assets and cut content.

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>>381028763
It only really worked back in Gen I when the Elite 4 were hyped up to be the ultimate challenge, completely unknown to you through out the whole game and each of them being a surprise using rare Pokemon you're not used to except Bruno, fuck him

Johto made sense to keep them since they're sort of the ultimate goal still. By the point of Hoenn it got really fucking stale and redundant because Masuda's a hack that can't do original shit

>>381015224
late to the party I guess but im going to put in my 2 cents:

I bought it on release and it took me 3 months to get to island 4. Even after that, I haven't finished the game. There are cutscenes avery five feet which is obnoxious, when you go to do something you aren't allowed to do ANY exploring. you have to do thing with NO EXCEPTION and then you can go back and explore. as an example, the water trial there was an item i saw in the water and I was swimming around cheking out the edges of the map. I went to get the item since I could SEE IT and had a clear path to it but when i started heading for it the game told me "NO, DO WHAT IT TELL YOU FIRST". I absolutely fucking hate that. not to mention the new pokemon seemed incrediby difficult to find/catch, and I like to check out the new pokemon in a new game.

as a comparison, I HATED ORAS. they were fucking awful. but I finished them. I haven't finished Moon.

Had some great Pokemon though.
Very refreshing after gen 6's lack of bugs and overall kind of bland designs apart from some stuff like Trevenant and Clawitzer.

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>>381028919
yes, but have the kind of contest this autistic board like so much

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>>381028871
Gen II were the last original games actually made by the creator of the series. He wasn't aware how big it would explode and how he was gonna really top the last games. All the content, new shit added, gameplay changes. Everything was to to build upon Gen I. The story wasn't something big and epic, but it never really was until Gen V

Then the last games he worked on were remakes of his babies before finally landing in Nip Producer Hell. I just don't see the spark in Gens III onward that were in Gens I and II. Eventually the series became improving slightly on the previous installment

>>381029062
even bruno is the first trainer to use machamp

>>381029092
Do you people only play Pokemon as a JRPG or something? Jesus christ, the cutscenes did nothing to me because i don't have ADHD.

Also it's already been proven enough times that people like you are the ones that HAVE to gi from checkpoint to checkpoint immediately every single time one appears and skip areas like Kala'e Bay and the Haina Desert and complain that they can't explore.

>>381029459
>tfw my little brother didn't even see the Haina Desert despite the map
>people on /vp/ were thinking the lighthouse TM was cut content because they were too retarded to even move through the hidden diglett cave passage
goddammit

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Some thing that kinda irked me about SM was the side content that opened behind you, like the desert, the fight against the trial captains or the nugget bridge. Those where the most backwards design ever, since most pokemon players would never backtrack after they get fly unless required or after the postgame and there was not a single mention of those happening by any NPC either (Except for the desert but you kinda forget after getting the sharpedo ride).

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>>381029993
>people on /vp/ were thinking the lighthouse TM was cut content because they were too retarded to even move through the hidden diglett cave passage
tell me this is a joke please

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>>381029370
>The story wasn't something big and epic, but it never really was until Gen V
Funny you should put it that way, too, since I just see gen 5 as a (pretty good) retelling of gen 1. They added more side characters and put a few more bells and whistles & twists and turns on the way (hell, your rival this time is actually a cog in the plans of the villains), but the bottom line is that you're heading out to discover the world (again emphasized by all the Unova Pokemon being brand new), and see the sights, and it all culminates in a final battle against your rival character who was also on a journey but misunderstood what it was about. Blue was so caught up in being the best that he forgot to care about the things around him (his Pokemon, and by extension the world he traveled), while N was caught up in his pre-planted ideals which he refused to question until his defeat.

We can argue all week about who we think are the people behind each gen's successful features. Gen 2 for the most part does good in expanding the scope of the Pokemon world. But it has a shit story and a mediocre JRPG main quest, with bad level scaling.

Objectively speaking, the worst starters are Gen V followed by Gen VII

>>381030281
Nope. I saw people ask several times in the threads where an anon was showing all the actually blocked off or cut areas via cheating.

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Don't die, thread. For once I'm having an interesting discussion with someone about Pokemon on /v/.

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>>381031724
A lot of it's been shitflinging about opinions on the Gens

I wish Game Freak could get their shit together though. Otherwise we wouldn't have these kind of threads

>>381028763
>Bait?
Cities are much smaller compared to gen 6. What are you talking?

>>381019729
>Gen 2 has the worst starters
>Shitting on Feraligator and Typhlosion
>Thinking the ridiculous tiger mask, fucking Prismarina or Rowlbin Hood even though it's the best out of the 3 are better than them
(You) can now leave.

>>381022936
But Sun and Moon are movies anon

>>381033002
No they aren't they're fucking books

Movie implies cinematography

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>>381031979
I will agree with the statement that the series settled into an 'incremental improvements on an existing formula' rut after gen2, but I did not see it as a detractor provided the new games were actual improvements. In my teen years I played gen4 to death to the point that I actually got tired of the series for a while (and I'm still iffy about replaying DPPt/HGSS because I don't want to relive the slow-ass game engine again, despite the games being good). Gen 5 renewed my interest and are my favourite games yet, partly for reasons I laid out in >>381030312 and >>381024989 (actually doing a somewhat decent story, only new monsters, coupled with a JRPG quest that flowed like a brook thanks to new shit like scaling exp gains and reduced importance of HMs). Even at the time, I thought Pokemon was in for great times if they could keep such momentum.

Alas, the jump to 3DS seems to have been a tall order for Game Freak, leaving XY pretty stale aside from the jump to 3D graphics, plus as was pointed out in the thread, they really cranked up nostalgia pandering and made the games easier by intention to get more people on board. Sun and Moon, in my opinion, are again slight improvements over gen6, but it might take a while before we reach the level of the pre-3DS games.

Lana is great.

>>381031724
/v/ is surprisingly less shit today. Not good, but less shit. Also Lana's mom is better.

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I think what makes Pokemon good depends on certain people's tastes, and also depends on what you're looking for in the series.
For example, Black and White 2 feature a variety of content for players to do, like Pokestars, the White Treehollow, Join Avenue, dating Curtis or Yancy, catching N's Pokemon, the PWT, and being the only games to actually have a difficulty setting. All of these things helps make the games a fun single player experience, as there is a lot to do even after becoming the champion.
However, a game like XY has its own merits, too. The PSS and messaging system allows players to stay connected with each other, creating a community within the game itself. Coupled with easier shiny hunting and competitive breeding, and you have a game that's perfect for multiplayer, with people always trading each other rare Pokemon and having a larger playerbase with battle-ready Pokemon. New systems like Wonder Trading allow players to get bred and Pokemon from other players, too, and trainer customization helps personalize everyone, so not everyone shows up the same brown haired boy in a baseball cap.
Platinum and HGSS are also great for local multiplayer, with features like a co-op Battle Frontier and PBR connectivity.

>>381033821
All the retards are probably out with their dads or something.

So we all can at least agree that Pokemon would instantly become better if any other developer made the game instead of Gamefreak, right? It's amazing how in 20 fucking years they've still not learned how to code nor hired anyone who does.

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>>381033325
If somebody else takes the helm of USUM we might actually get the best Pokemon games since the golden age, since it seems random no-names are better at making games than the main faces

Masuda and Ohmori just can't seem to cut it

>>381034252
Probably. Thanks for reminding me to call my dad though

>>381034031
The online features have been getting better, yeah (except SM's Festival Plaza system is so much worse than PSS in XY/ORAS, what the fuck?).

But didn't PBR only work with Dia/Pearl? As I recall the game only connected to them, and not any of the later gen4 games. Could be wrong though.

>>381025030
you are correct anon

its actually kinda funny how this is my exact ranking

>>381026664>>381034726
>>381025030
>>381026747
>>381026926
false

pro tip:kys

>>381034656
PBR works for all Gen IV games, but I think HeartGold is considered Pearl while the other two are considered Diamond.
And yeah, I have to agree that the PSS was much more convenient than Festival Plaza. Being able to get trade and battle requests while I was adventuring was very convenient, and the Nice and chatting systems helped you communicate more than Sun and Moon's presets.

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>>381035003

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>>381034656
>tfw seeing Sophacles' depressed face when I told him his Festival Plaza was garbage

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>still the best games in the series

>>381025030
5>4>7>1=2>6
Skipped 3. Also including remakes such as HGSS since I wasn't fond of DP.

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>>381035342
At least you were given the option to flip him off that one time.
>>381034352
Masuda ought to just be strapped to a synthesizer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJ4DEPUBA0
This is some good shit.

>>381017905
I suppose this is a fair assessment. I put the game down for a while to wait for the Pokebank link-up and even then it still took months before I touched the game again.

I still haven't even finished breeding and EV Training after all this time.

>>381034031
>defending XY

>>381018285
>And worst set of starters in the franchise

Now this is bait.

>>381014623
Yeah, that's what your mother said last night.

>>381020769
>insulting the Sinnoh starters

You and I are now enemies.

>>381025030
>>381026664
>>381027034
Gen 2 has the worst fucking level curve and pokemon distrubution in the franchise. You could build a team with more variety in the fucking Orre region. HGSS is almost worst because with all the shit they added they didn't fix the core game.

I'm not gonna pretend like X/Y were good but at least I was seeing new pokemon every route

And my entry to the series was Pokemon Silver

>>381035434
The routes could've been better, they were pretty bland and unmemorable except for maybe poke-mexico. Personally I think HGSS romhacks with increased difficulty/classic music is the best experience, but I guess BW2 is probably the best vanilla game from gamefreak.

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>>381036130
Those games probably aren't for you; the multiplayer is where Gen VI shines. The single player for the games was pretty weak, although the new methods of shiny hunting in both XY and ORAS make it good if you're more into the collecting rare Pokemon aspect of the series than the variety of things BW2 had.

>>381014623
I had a lot of fun playing it but after the E4 there wasn't anything to do

Since we are here

>Watch the Sun/Moon animu
>despite first impressions, the animation is top notch
>everything lokks good, except for Ash
What were they thinking with his re-design?

>>381034309
But game freak created the memorable designs. So have to credit them there

>Tfw gen 4 was the last good gen

>>381034309
>It's amazing how in 20 fucking years they've still not learned how to code nor hired anyone who does.
what?, pokemon games rarely, if everhave bugs in the levels of missigno

>>381024743
Me.
I like trubbish cause he's cute, and Scrafty is my favorite 'mon.

>>381038567
>Thinking literal garbage is cute
>Defending the gen that gave us the ice-cream Pokemon
They became creatively bankrupt after BW and it shows.

Does anyone else pronounce missingno as 'miss-sink-oh'? I know it's missing number but i think the name has a ring to it.

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>>381035895
>tfw a cute girl will never hook you

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>>381039227
Because Pokemon being just literally animals always is better than inanimate objects

God fucking damn it, every single time someone's gotta say some dumb shit like this like they're objectively correct just because they don't like a stupid monster design in a kid's game

>>381039484
Still odd that in the manga he was dead as fuck since the first series from getting his eye ripped out, but in the anime he's still alive and is often used as a plot pivot in movies and such.

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>>381039621
It's a magnet

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>>381039227
>ice cream pokemon is worse than the sea of shallow designs from each gen
I don't need to list any specific examples, every gen has some very "eh" designs, and I feel that gen 5 gets shat on way too much in comparison to the other 6 just for trash bag and ice cream.

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Name a flaw that isn't the fact that you can't use the same gen 1 pokemons you've used for the 4 previous gens. I'll start
>Black City and White forest twisted your arm into rushing through the game.

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>>381039709
Yeah, too bad that the manga became more tame afterwards

>>381039621
You're right, I don't like the designs in this children's game. The fact that you do is telling, and the fact that it doesn't appeal to many and signaled a decline in the series in which it has yet to recover from only reinforces my point: Pokemon's been shit since BW.

>>381039934
I said they ran out of ideas, and since BW they've released smaller and smaller amounts of new Pokemon each time, even now resorting to reskins/specs of old Pokemon to pad out the new games. Are we really defending these shallow children's games that clearly don't care about their 20 year old fan base?

>>381036879
>You could build a team with more variety in the fucking Orre region.
It's even more hilarious since Orre was mostly the dumping ground for Gen 2 pokemon they didn't make readily available in Gen 3 games.

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>>381039227
And yet it's gen 1 that gives us the Pokemon equivalent of the classic RPG slime enemy.

Every time it's the same shit with you people in Pokemon threads. You have a beef with your childhood no longer being there for you, and you come up with the most retarded reasoning to try and say it ain't so.

Trubbish and Grimer both a cute.

>>381025538
>Join Avenue

Literally 10/10 kino. It was interactive and fun and everything the Festival Plaza isn't.

>>381040131
But BW had the highest amount of pokemon released for a gen, beating Gen 1 only by 5 of them. This trend of less pokemon has started with Gen 6.

I like SuMo and there's nothing you Europeans can do about it.

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>>381017905
The waifu game was pretty up there, but otherwise it was below average. Also, what's with trainers in the wild only ever having 1-2 pokemon each?

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>>381040091
Penalty games were great

>tfw no minisections GF has ever surpassed pokestarstudios
Shit was cash. Becoming the ultimate Star, and making every director suck your dick no matter what line you picked when you were worth pokebillions.

>>381040669
Yikes. That bw2 cut scene after 2nd gym was the worst

>>381040292
I loved Join Avenue and I wouldn't have minded FP if it weren't tied to online. The huge issue is that you can't level up shops, only replace them.

>>381040590
>tfw the games get worse in proportion with the waifus getting better

>>381014623
Look on the bright side, anon. At least it was better than any of the disastrous DS Pokemon games! We'll not see the garbage likes of DPPt and HGSS again.

>>381036429
The shitty cat drags the other two mediocre starters down so hard that it isn't even funny. Only reason to like that trash is if you're a barafag

>>381040380
But BW2 came out after and we haven't gotten a third game since. Post game is nothing more than a reference to old games post game. All these things started with BW to BW2 to XY.
I also said they ran out of ideas after this game, literal garbage and ice cream cones preceding a drop in new Pokemon is embarrassing.
But whatever, have fun enjoying your shallow Monster collecting game, it's a shadow of it's former self.

>>381040859
>European with shit opinions

>>381040047
Gen 5's pokemon were really bad redesigns on Gen1 pokemon.

If you want to put Gen1 Pokemon in there, just put them in there. Don't redesign Machamp and call it Conkeldurr and expect me not to notice. Don't redesign Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee as Sawk and Throh and expect me not to notice. Don't redesign Golbat as Swoobat and expect me not to notice.

The three main legendary dragon Pokemon looked like shit, just like in D/P. In fact, all the legends in that gen were shit, design-wise.

>>381040962
>barafag

>>381041092
>European with shit opinions

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They should make another double battles spinoff like the Orre games. Though don't have it take place in Orre, that region was a shithole and I honestly can't see anyone willingly live there.

>80+% desert
>Extreme lawlessness with underground cities filled with criminals
>Only village with decent foliage was filled with old people

>>381041024
>Muh gen 1
Like clockwork

>>381040590
X and Y started that trend though, so SM isn't completely to blame.
I think battles can get tedious if you have too many trainers on a route, so I like that it made things go faster, but it also would have been nice if they would occasionally have more.

>>381041024
>Bad redesigns on Gen1
Opinion. The problem holding Gen 5 back was that too many were just "we need to fill a niche that a Gen 1 shitmon fills"

Though you're insane if you think Gigalith isn't better than Golem. Woobat and Zubat are both cancer. The Conkeldurr line is worse than the Machamp line but neither are spectacular. Sawk and Throh were big mistakes, but Scolipede is literally the best 3 stage bugmon we've got from any generation.

As for gen 5 Shitmons, whoever thought up the Monkey Trio deserves a painful death.

Then you ignore all the hot shit we got in Gen 5, the Excadrill, Golurk, Cofagrius, Chandelure, Jellicent, Volcarona, Haxorus, Darmanitan, Krookodile, Sigilypyh, Crustle, Ferrothron, Galvantula, Mienshao

>>381041529
>As for gen 5 Shitmons, whoever thought up the Monkey Trio deserves a painful death.
Goddamn those were the worst, 6 fucking slots wasted on yet another elemental trio using the same typing as starters to advertise triple/rotation battle gimmicks which were barely even used.

>>381041024
If anything, it shows that GF was always pretty uncreative with how they handled mons and where they were located. Pokemon like Psyduck, Marill, Zubat and Magikarp are used so often instead of using new concepts, so when Gen V made an all new dex they created clones of those old mons to keep using the same archetypes. I do like how some were handled, though. Black and White 2 have both Zubat and Woobat's lines in the game, and made them different by turning Zubat into a mon that lives in grimy, disgusting locations like the sewers while Woobat simply lives in caves like all Zubats in prior generations did.
The non-clone Pokemon were very unique for the most part, just like any other gen. I ecpecially like the desert mons like Krokorok and Sigilyph.

>>381041783
I think the reason that Gen 5 gets so much hate is that when it had it a good design, it was 10/10 design, but when it had a bad design, it was a 1/10 design.

Most other gens are far more even.

>/v/ hates on designs, when anything they draw will be deviant art-tier

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>>381041529
>No Reuniclus in that list of hot shit
*blocks your path*

>>381042168
"I'd like to see you do better" is a deviantart tier argument

>>381025574
You forgot that it starts you around level 30, when the movelists get interesting

>>381015224
These are genuinely the best in the series(until USUM obviously). Autists are just pissed people say this because they feel this is an attack on personally because they prefer other generations as if claiming one is the best makes all the others bad. Well, it's that, contrarians and just autistic shitposters.

>>381025938
It's because BW2 was the first "third game" that wasn't a director's cut of that generation, it was a sequel or something people could miss more out on by skipping it

>>381028268
>Almost nothing post game
There's more post game in these games than there is in every past gens first games.
Everything else is genuinely you just being autistic and nit picking. That complaint over ride pokemon is straight pathetic.

>>381020375
Every single npc has no more then 2 and sometimes 3 Pokemon, what the fuck was up with that? Also trials were shit, postgame was shit, new mons were underwhelming (gameplay wise) not to mention non stop cutscenes and the world felt alot less, alive. I blame the lame walls. In, for example emerald the walls that stoped you from going further were rock's water etc and you needed to find the hp and beat the gym leader. The new way of getting around with apps made the world feel kinda lame. Stoey and villains had decent potential but fell flat to me. Also game suffered from slow downs.

>>381043493
>emerald
Stopped reading there. Your taste is garbage and you're wrong. Battle Frontier fags are the cancer of the Pokemon fanbase.

Which first in gen game had the best post game and why was it D/P?
>That entire island filled with trainers after the E4
Pity that it had a lot of other issues that brought down the overall experience such as being the slowest gen.

>>381043643
>being this autistic and messing the point I was making on how-to make world traversing feel good

Breaking a rock to go to another city is alot better then getting an app cuz your a cool dude my man.

>>381025574
I never had any difficulty playing this game or GoD. Nothing "tricks" you.

>>381043790
>breaking a rock is better
>being THIS autistic you actually believe that
Your contrarian bias is showing.

>>381040047
Nasty powercreep with stats Still my favorite in the series

>>381014623
A week or two ago I would have agreed.
I beat the game, tried to into end game and just..
but I came back recently, not expecting anything out of the game and it's now currently in rest mode next to me because I've been playing it a lot randomly throughout the day.
Something about it is drawing me back in I'm actually having fun.

>>381042927
Draw a mon then.

>>381025574
Only time I got fucked in that game was with the first Mirror B fight since all I had to hit Ludicolo for super effective was a Noctowl's Fly. It was a horrible experience.

>>381043736
D/P also faced other problems like 80% or so of the new moms are locked post game. I hated D/P but man is plantium not the bomb.

>>381043643
>not liking the battle frontier
Why?

>>381015224
>cute characters
>some from character interactions
>many of the new designs are pretty good

>but I sure hope you love those characters because cutscenes are long as fuck, happen every three minutes and cannot be skipped
>you will not see many of the new Pokemon until the endgame because fuck you, enjoy playing through the game with Butterfree, Pidgeot and your starter
>there is absolutely no challenge as usual
>world is too empty for its size
>but the world also has barriers keeping you from the empty areas until you progress
>puzzles are fucking mindnumbingly boring

>>381018641
It's a fucking miracle that XY are so much better than this game.

>>381043969
>When the powercreep gets so bad they try to fix it by making most non ultra beast pokemon in SuMo have shit stats comparatively.

>>381043930
Yes anon, getting a Pokemon to break shot for you is alot better then calling some dude to lend you a Pokemon who is not even in the region. Sun and moon sucked my man. More then x and y

>>381044039
It's pointless, boring, and repetitive? Not to mention easy? Blew through it in a day.

>>381017905
X/Y was the last pokemon game i truly liked, though. all the new pokes were good and the variety was incredible. the friend safari was also genius.

sure it was easy, but who cares

>>381044081
The new Pokemon are easy enough to get for the most part. SM is also one of the only Pokemon games to not have any 1% grass rates.

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>>381041783
>In gen 6 Simisear got a distribution because it got dead last in a popularity poll with every current mon at that point

>>381044156
>riding a pokemon and breaking a rock with it is better than a shitty hm/tm move
>sun and moon sucked more "then" x and y
Oh, so you're an underaged shitposter, this makes sense now.
>inb4 english isn't your first language
That's even worse.

Which was your first non red gyarados shiny?
>Golden Poochyena in Emerald

>>381044337
*is not better

>>381044317
kek, fuck those monkeys

>>381044383
Silver Tentacool in Silver

>>381044534
>Silver Tentacool
That's not how that works.

>>381044226
XY had massive oversaturation issues with Pokemon distribution though, they should have made the region bigger to accommodate the selection. I can't say I agree on the Pokemon though, they really underutilized the new fairy type and a lot of them were bland pink puffs rather than stuff in gen 7 that used the typing in more creative ways, like a small fey ghost or a soul-powered robot.

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>>381044337

>>381044612
???

>>381044383
Shiny Haxorus as the regional dex reward in B2.

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>>381044383
Gold Magikarp in Diamond

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>>381044684
We'll agree to disagree.

>>381044383
A fucking pink Pachirisu in Pearl

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>>381044803
Does this look silver to you, punk?

>>381044803
Tentacool's shiny is purple and green.

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>>381022327
>Sales equal quality

>>381044383
Fearow in Diamond

>>381041240
>>381041529
I'm not a genwunner. I fully know and accept that Gen1 had shitty designs all around, like Voltorb, Exeggcute, Magnemite + Magneton and much, much more.

My problem is that the entire Kalos Dex literally looks as if the devs thought "Hey, our fans are most responsive to Gen1 Pokemon. Although we want Kalos to be a new experience, how about we redesign some of the more popular Pokemon lines from Gen1 into Kalos", and all the nipponese guys in the office are nodding their head as if this was the best idea ever.

While I think this led to an overall shitty Kalos dex, there were some really good designs in there, like Scolipede, Haxorus, and a few others you mentioned.

The design approach was just abysmal and lacked a creative vision, it was the same uncreative copy/paste vision that awful Pokemon clone fangames have when designing a regional dex of Pokemon.

>>381041846
This I agree with.

Given that this seems like a general Pokemon thread, what was your favorite feature added/returned in each gen? Leave it out if you can't think of one.
>1
>2
>3
>4
>5
>6
>7

>>381045324
You mean Unova, Kalos was gen 6.

>>381045324
>Kalos
I mean Kalos dex was boring and had way too many bland designs but man know your regions

>>381044383
Shiny mewtwo
just figured out what soft resetting was and got one on my 7th try

>>381044383
Golden Krabby/Kingler when going up a ladder in one of the whirlpool islands in Crystal.

After that was a purple Wailmer in Sapphire while fishing off the coast of the Psychic twin's gym.

After that was a green spotted Spinda while traveling through the ashy route in Emerald.

>>381045443
>>381045525
Whoops, yeah, I meant Unova. Doesn't really change my point about Gen 5's dex being lame clone Pokemon redesigns for the most part.

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>>381044383
Shiny Tangela caught in Crystal right in front of the Mt. Silver entrance.

>>381025574
having revisited it recently, the turns take way longer than is necessary and I don't think you can skip them

>>381045324
Assuming you mean Unova I have to disagree. Just because you can link some of the designs to older ones doesn't make them clones. Most of them look nothing alike to their supposed counterparts and maintain creative, appealing designs even among them.

>>381025614
This shit right here is why BW2 is one of my favorites and even my favorite.

>>381014623
Meh. It was a Pokemon game.

>>381044383
Shiny metapod in the HG/SS remakes, before I was even given the pokeballs at the start of the game

Explain how someone can love Emerald but hate ORAS. Genuinely curious

>>381044383
A yellow Drifloon in D/P
I didn't know what it was and deleted my save file to start a new game shortly after

>>381046256
>no battle frontier
and I heard it was eaiser but I never bother getting Oras

I pirated this game and i couldn't get passed the second island, holy fucking shit is this game boring.

The thing is, i liked ORAS though, didn't play XY.

>>381046256
muh battle frontier, aka they want the cheating AI facility back

To be fair it would've been fun in these times where breeding is actually humanely possible without cheating