Anybody else quit right after MoP was announced? I just -could

>>380998315
no you shouldnt

no its got worse shit then pandas now

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>he didnt quit when he saw the travesty that was cataclysm

>>380998315
pandaria was great, but you should definitely not start playing again

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>tfw downloaded this just recently because I never played it
>make a Shaman troll character that I really liked
>about 3 hours in bored as fuck
>make a worgen hunter
>having way more fun
I really wanted to like the Troll too.

>>380999545
There was a cool dragon and lava atleast

>>380998315
Found your video OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_GX8Crrak4

Cool Night Elf : ^)

>>380999997
true

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>>380999997
dis you?

>>380998315
I want to fuck Pandaren.
It is strange that if consider how progressive Blizzard nowdays there are no human x pandaren couples in game.

>>380999545
Seriously, this.
Instead of updating the archaic old world to feel more focused they just turned it into a stream of memes and pop culture references where you one/two shot everything and don't need to group up. All the new zones were no different either. The new heroics were decent for a time but Blizzard reaped what they sowed and all the casuals that they had created slowly since the end of TBC complained. And on top of that, they fucking gutted the talent tree and made classes homogenized as fuck. 2.4.3 started everything that went wrong with the game and Wrath contributed further but Cataclysm was the real death of the game.

MoP was the best expansion since TBC and it's a lot better than WoD, Cata, and Legion.

>>381000802
That's only Hillsbrad though.
Level in any other zone and it is almost entirely about the war effort.
And it wasn't people who complained, Blizzard just didn't like that hundreds of man hours went into an instance that 70/10,000,000 saw while it was relevant. That's the whole reason we got Naxx2

>>381001381
>badlands
>westfall

>>380998315

Why would I have a problem with pandas? I've taken quests from walruses before.

>>381001643
Would you want an entire expansion named Ices of Walrusaria?

>>381001776
More interesting than Orcs and Elves constantly.

>>380998315
You do realize Blizzard drones cried for years to have the pandamen playable, right ? That was a meme years ago.

I quit halfway through cata. The game became massively boring.

>>381001776

Sure-it probably would have had a better plot than WoD.

>>381001007

MoP is definitely on the better half of the six expansions released and my personal favorite. Stumbled a bit at the beginning and started to strayed when was becoming about orcs again.

>>381000802
I miss actually having to try at least a little while soloing.

Pandaren were in Warcraft 3 so i don't get what the issue is.

>>381001528
>badlands
Was made into a meme and that is only one fucking quest, the rest is about how the black dragonflight fucked the Horde's shit up
>westfall
About the economic depression and the defias resurgence that the fight with the Lich King caused
Half of the quests were bookended by a meme I'll admit.

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>All the RPG elements were removed
>There is no WORLD anymore.
>The character progression with different stats and talents all became one big number called itemlevel on your character panel, no other stats matter
>You'll never wander into Ironforge for the first time again and then that horn hits you

i quit half way through cataclysm. i wish i didnt buy it.

lich and burning crusade were truly the best any mmo could ever be

I've played every WoW expansion and MoP was easily my favorite. I only played WoD at the beginning through High Maul, but I enjoyed that far more than anything in Pandaland.

>>381003459
i've seen this post at least 5 times in the past day or two

you unironically have autism

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>>381003364
Kung-fu panda released around the same time so everyone thought Blizz was just hopping on the bandwagon.
Throne of Thunder was the best and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

are there any good private servers?

>>380998315
MoP wasn't as shit as i thought it was in hindsight

pvp got ruined but the raids were great, especially on heroic and challenge mods were some of the most fun i have ever had in pve content.

WoD made sure i'd never sub again

>>380998315
you should have quit during cata when they introduced a furfag race and green jews.

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>>380998315
This xpac would've received a bit less flak if that kung fu panda movie didn't exist.
Also LFR from cataclysm and everything about DS was a lot worse than pandas and a change in scenery.

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>>381003696
You must be mistaken friend. I only posted this once and that was today.

Others must have the same feeling for Ironforge.

>>380998315
Gamers are very self conscious about their perceived maturity level.

Why?

>>381002094
theres a difference betwen a joke and implementing though

>>380998315
The panda expansion was genuinely a high point for WoW lore, they made it work provided you were at all willing to give it a chance. It's probably tied with Wrath for favourite expansion, and Wrath gets the advantage of being my first.

It was pretty good expansion. Even when everyone shitted on it, they delivered a pretty fun expansion, my personal favorite after TBC. They just got out of the hole and then made a backflip back in to it with WoD.

>>380998315
I quit during WotLK and haven't been back. WoW is boring.

>>380999545
>Cata
>bad
The only bad part of Cata was Dragon Soul

Why are the people that play Pandas always so terrible? It seems like whenever I do a dungeon or raid with a panda they're either dead because they didn't move out of the fire, or doing shit dps/healing.
The only other race that comes close to having such terrible players are Blood Elves.

>>381005194
anybody who would play as a panda is either 1. gay or 2. a w*man

>>381003459
>all the RPG elements were removed
depends on definition, I think WoW still qualifies as an RPG in most ways that it always did. there's even stuff like transmog that lets you customise your appearance better, which is very RPG.
>there is no WORLD anymore
Kind of agree, kind of disagree. They've been making their worlds progressively more small/dense and transparently subservient to gameplay needs for ages, and their growing focus on linear "campaign" style questing with the PC as some chosen one or great leader or whatever is definitely to the detriment of the game. It rarely feels like a world that exists and would continue to exist even if you weren't in it, which is meant to be the great strength of an MMO. However, they have done some good worldbuilding, particularly in MoP which was the biggest wave new and original lore WoW's ever had. The Nightborn/Suramar in Legion are pretty good too.
>The character progression with different stats and talents all became one big number called itemlevel on your character panel, no other stats matter
No. That's not true. Talents matter (and the system means there are often multiple viable optimised builds with different playstyles, and legit picks between talents with more power but requiring more skill, and the opposite, etc - talent system is definitely not a problem and involves more meaningful choice than the old one), and stats are still as important as ever, if you're doing high end content you're going to want to pay attention to your stat weights. All itemlevel does is give players a crude numeric approximation of their gear level, so people don't have to download an addon for it instead.
>You'll never wander into Ironforge for the first time again and then that horn hits you
feelsbadman

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>>381004545
I started playing WoW right at the start of WotLK and quit right near the end.

Overall, I had a great time. I just got sick of drama in every single guild I joined, which were mostly laid-back casual raiding guilds. It seemed there was always at least one guy who just made it unpleasant for everyone. Showing up late to raids despite the schedules being announced in advance, whining and complaining constantly about how the raids are conducted (while they themselves were usually the cause of wipes), just being terrible people overall. I had more than one guild break up over stupid drama, forcing me to find new guilds more frequently than I would have liked.

I got sick of it, quit the game, and never looked back. I still have fond memories of raiding, especially Ulduar. Downing Yogg for the first time felt amazing, even though it was just the 10-man party (pic related). I think we killed him 10 seconds before he enraged.

The problem with WotLK, I think, is that ToC was such a mediocre experience, and it took way, way too long for ICC to come out, and many people were just burned out on the lack of content by then. It didn't help that ICC was (IMO) not that great of a raid. Not nearly as good as Ulduar, at any rate.

>>381005692
or 3. a monk

>>381005785
ICC really wasn't that bad, it's just there's no way you could hope to outdo Ulduar. Probably the best raid WoW's had.

>>380998315
Pandaland was actually a fantastic expansion

Yeah panda theme was gay but there were so many actual good elements, especially near the end

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I joined in Vanilla and raided all the way to AQ40-Huhu
I rode BC out, mostly loved it
WotLK was where shit started getting a bit offputting, and TotC had me numb from boredom
I tried Cata then bailed
Didn't even try Pandashit
Came back for WoD much to my own dismay
Legion was a step in the right direction, but casual atop casual has made the game a themepark with no actual fun rides

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>>381005889
Yeah, it wasn't *that* bad. It just wasn't *that* good either. It was also unbalanced as fuck and Blizz had to pull cheesy balancing tactics like pic related.

We were stuck with ToC (which was pretty bad) for the longest time, that it would have taken at least a second Ulduar-tier raid to make up for it.

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>>381005728
>No more keys
>No more reagents
>No more items to use to summon bosses or open more ways for loot (Blood of heroes, warlock demon summons)
>Quest items magically appear in your UI and not your bag
>[Book of Suramar culture/history/faith]: Grants XXXX amount of artifact power with no ability to read it
>No random books in the world filled with lore deep in dungeons like Scholomance, Strath and Scarlet Monastery.
>You can level a warlock without fighting, only picking herbs and mining and suddenly know how to summon demons and rain hellfire

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>>381006615
Man, screenshots like that really make me feel nostalgic.

WoW's graphics weren't amazing, but the music + lighting led to some pretty memorable environments.

the klaxxi were the best faction of the game
prove me wrong

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>>381007040
Have some westfall immersion

>>381006612
To be fair they had to do the same thing with Sunwell, the previous raid champ.
Gear scaling is just something Blizz can't seem to handle, so by the time you get to the last raid your numbers are too goddamn big.
Doubly so with tanks who would stack defense rating, dodge, block and regardless of how hard the boss hit a tank could tank it easily.

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>>381007040

>played vanilla to wotlk
>quit near the end of wotlk
>got back for legion
>terminated my entire battle.net account after a month of legion

>>380998315
If anything you should have quit when cata came out and came back when Pandaria came out. Pandaria wasn't honestly that bad as cataclysim

I stopped playing when the community turned into tryhard faggots

People even tryhard the vanilla dungeons now, what the fuck?

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>>381007040
Day and night.

>>380998315
No, WoW is shit. You have shit taste for ever playing it in the first place, and even shittier taste for considering going back.
Holy fuck, I thought this site was 18+.

>>380998315
>being THIS insecure
You people are so pathetic.

>>381004753
>The only bad part of Cata was Dragon Soul
You mean all of it. Instead of building on what was there they threw out near everything destroying talent trees, potential hybrid builds, Death Knights, dumbing down of literally every class in the game, made healing utter shit, and skimping on new zones and raids. They also had some of the most underwhelming and boring 5 man content ever conceived.

It was a shit expansion that was worse than pandaland.

Oh yeah and Deathwing is fucking gay.

>>380998315
You missed out on a great expansion and Pandass

When will Blizzard add human on Panda romance?

I quit when pandaria was over because orcs are boring as fuck and who gives a shit about the legion that shit was already over red draenei look gay

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>You'll never boost noobies in old SM again, mass pulling everything and let them share the loot amonst them selves, letting them make friends.

>>380998315
>Playing a game that is overloaded with pop culture and other silly nonsense
>Panda peeps too much

Congrats you won the dumb cunt award!

>>381006615
>no more keys
gameplay improvement, do you also miss warlocks having to spend hours farming soul shards that fill up most of their bags? you still have the keys, you just don't need to worry about bag space for them.
>no more reagents
having to fill your bag with junk just to be able to do normal stuff is obnoxious, you can still imagine your character maintains a supply of corpse dust or feathers or whatever but having it eat into your limited bag space is just shit
>No more items to use to summon bosses or open more ways for loot (Blood of heroes, warlock demon summons)
nightbane, warlock order hall summoning thing, kosumoth, quite a lot of that stuff actually
>Quest items magically appear in your UI and not your bag
Again, having quest items (which vary significantly in number so it's not even reliable how many you need to make room for) use up inventory space is shit. in games with a weight based inventory system quest items are usually weightless, for games with a numerical slot based system the quest items don't usually count towards the limit - WoW's one is a visual slot based system, so they just don't use up a slot in your bags. this is normal, having quest items fuck with your inventory management is bad gameplay.
>[Book of Suramar culture/history/faith]: Grants XXXX amount of artifact power with no ability to read it
It's just a generic magic item, and there are still things like http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=11175/higher-dimensional-learning
>No random books in the world filled with lore deep in dungeons like Scholomance, Strath and Scarlet Monastery.
http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=10709/you-used-to-scrawl-me-in-your-fel-tome
>You can level a warlock without fighting, only picking herbs and mining and suddenly know how to summon demons and rain hellfire
You could (theoretically) attempt to level solely through non-combat quests in vanilla, having experience that enables combat upgrades come from non-combat sources isn't a WoW thing.

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>tfw Howling Fjord for the first time.

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>>380999545
>>381000802
100%. Cat is the very first expansion that I unsubbed from, since vanilla. It felt so watered down and unlike the game I knew. I really miss the old world too, it was fun at first, to see all the changes. But once the newness wore off and I actually played through the zones, it was a realization of.. "what the fuck is this, what have they done?". I still re-sub each new expansion, but I leave after a month.

>>381008059

That makes no sense.

Anyone that would wanna go back probably experienced WoW in its golden age and anyone that did is probably definitely over 18.

You're implying someone got to experience WoW when it was good 10 years ago and still be under 18.

Who the fuck played WoW at 6-7 years old

>>381008383
Holy fuck it really has been that long hasn't it.

>>381008138
>cataclysm
>underwhelming and boring 5 man content
anon, there are so many legit things you could shit on cata for, why would you choose the one thing for which Cata was better than possibly any other expansion? Cata dungeons were absolutely amazing (4.3 ones were a little weaker but still pretty good), particularly at the beginning. For all its flaws, early cata was some of the most fun I ever had with WoW just because I was enjoying running dungeons so much.

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Friendly reminder

WotLK > TBC > shit > everything else > Vanilla

inb4 triggered rogues and mages with "i was having fun so vanilla was ok" memes

>>381008635
>anon, there are so many legit things you could shit on cata for, why would you choose the one thing for which Cata was better than possibly any other expansion? Cata dungeons were absolutely amazing (4.3 ones were a little weaker but still pretty good), particularly at the beginning. For all its flaws, early cata was some of the most fun I ever had with WoW just because I was enjoying running dungeons so much.

Sorry man should have been specific. Theme and boss wise. Mechanics were fine before nerfs but the art, the place to the size of the instances were all pretty trash.

>>380998315
>childish pandaren
Pandaria was one of the most sophisticated Warcraft story. It was quite gritty.
https://youtu.be/-D--GWwca0g?list=PLY0KbDiiFYeNKrf7yg1O5KsHff-NdimhR

>>380998315
> I just -could not- get over the fact that there was going to be an entire expansion dedicated to childish pandamen
That's a good point, don't need anything childish in my fantasy life simulation.

TBC > WotLK = MoP > Vanilla > Cata > Legion > WoD

>>381009116
This is actually very accurate.
Well actually I'd mobe TBC to be behind WotLk and MoP but aside from that.

>>381008873
Some of them were weak I guess, I definitely won't miss Blackrock Caverns. But there were also ones like Throne of the Tides, Vortex Pinnacle, Stonecore, and Halls of Origination that were great. And Cataclysm was about as big as dungeons have been since vanilla, HoO had 7 bosses! Apart from Kara there hasn't been a dungeon with more than 5 since 4.1.

>>381009116
My personal rating would be MoP=Wrath>Legion>Cata>WoD

Didn't play TBC or Vanilla.

>>381008747
Vanilla was cool at the time and it was nice during Nostalrius for the nostalgia value but TBC is basically just vanilla 2.0 and made everything better

>>381008383
First of all: a lot of people played WoW when they were fucking children.
Second of all: you're really bad at logic. The OTHER conclusion of my statement is that OP is a goddamn parrot retard. A trait extremely common in adolescents trying to fit in with a social group.

I quit shortly after MoP was released

>>381009273
>Some of them were weak I guess, I definitely won't miss Blackrock Caverns. But there were also ones like Throne of the Tides, Vortex Pinnacle, Stonecore, and Halls of Origination that were great. And Cataclysm was about as big as dungeons have been since vanilla, HoO had 7 bosses! Apart from Kara there hasn't been a dungeon with more than 5 since 4.1.

Need to specify again I guess. Its alright for an instance to be big. I loved BRD, but it has to actually use the space in interesting ways to not suck in my opinion.

Hopefully that clears up my complaint.

>>381009116
>>381009319
kys. MoP and everything that came after is pure trash

>>380999805
Same happened to me, made a Troll (forgot the class) and I quit the game after a few hours. Is their starting area one of the worst or something?

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>>381008280
I would still want to have that key item in my bag to know i went through the questline or killed that boss and down the line be the one to open a door that needed said key like the Scarlet Key.

With reagents it could the ability more significance. Running low on vanshing powder ammo? Better be careful when i fight

With our increased bagspace and items stacking up to 200. It shouldnt be too bad to hold a quest item now that you only pick up two to three quests these days and move onto the next.

But there is also items like [[Revised Chronicles of Argus] saying of Velen being the bad guy. i wanna read dat shit

>Books
I just remembered about the 2hr books you can loot around the world with updated lore, oops

I don't mind the mining/herb giving EXP, they might give a little too much but I'd like them to be on the trainers or from quests/book drops like we used to have.

I had more fun doing D1/2 quests than the class order halls.

>>381009713
Most of the vanilla character starting zones are just "here, fucker, start the game, talk to an NPC and grind"
The starting zone for deathknights, demon hunters, all worgen, all goblins, and all pandas are specific questlines with dialog, voice acting, and explosions, so they're naturally more interesting to play as.

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>>380998315
i stopped at WotLK

i fucking hate pandas, but i keep hearing that MoP was actually a good expansion.
so, can anyone recommend a good private MoP server, im thinking of finally checking it out since i have some free time in the coming month

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Since the revamp of new orgrimmar there's been one goblin girl auctioneer i would talk to. Theres four, literally all of them do nothing but sell shit, but i've preferred to use this one goblin girl forever.

During the siege of ogrimmar she's forced to dance alongside other auctioneers and back when people raided that i would make sure to save them, just because she was my favorite.

This recent patch shows that the Legion has created homunculi that look and act just like real people, only they bleed green because they're dead fucking corpses that walk. No biggie. The quests require rogues to go to each town and assassinate a legion plant, and i did it no problem to all the alliance cities.

Just now i was having a nice, calm day, talking to my favorite auctioneer trying to haggle prices for shitty mats to make transmog gear, and a fucking gnome rogue just appears out of nowhere and stabs her! He immediately left without attacking anyone else, and as i stared at the bleeding corpse of literally my only friend in world of warcraft i see that she's bleeding green everywhere.

fuck it actually got me. i really dont know what to think. I know blizzard didnt mean it on purpose but holy fuck they just made me really fucking sad today.

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MoP was the peak of wow performance anyone who says otherwise is literally retarded

Got to see garrosh edwin and experience an entire new concept with no flying mounts engaging quest lines interesting npcs and a huge amount of lore. Exclusive gear and mounts that you cant get anymore new pvp battlegrounds, transmoging brought the economy up. Competive pve etc etc.

It was truly the golden age.

>>381008280
I think this is just a difference of play style. You, and potentially thousands of other people, are the people they started developing for. But they left everyone else that enjoyed a more involved style of gameplay in the dust. They essentially dropped a huge part of their audience, to attract another type instead.

>>380998315
Pandaria was the last good expansion

Human on Pandaren is the purest romance

>>381009978
I think I may have been the problem then, because that doesn't sound great to me either; it sounds like it would lock me into the starting zone for several hours. I just wanted to get to the population center asap and run around looking at things, fish, grind until I got cool enough looking gear and spells, then do the major story missions.

>>381010858
I won't invalidate your love of MoP, but it was certainly not well received, seeing as the steady rate it lost subs. I abhorred MoP.

>>381007249
The Arakkoa exist.

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>>381010804
Anon...

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I wish the monk class had been introduced earlier.
Its my favorite class in the game, but it only got to exist for one decent expansion and two absolute dogshit tier ones.

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>Tfw you'll never see a restored Lordaeron

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>>381012554
the monk has had a great run:
>the best expansion in the game to date
>a mediocre one that people didnt like because it focused on a specific race of playable characters, however still better than the expansion before it
>and pandaria

>>381009032
I miss Lorewalker Cho.
They reused the same VA in Legion for Odyn when he's disguised but its just not the same.

>>381012907
I don't care what you day about Legion but you best not be saying that WoD was better than MoP.

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>>380998315
>He didn't play Ulduar 2.0

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>>381008747
I was a rogue main, and I had a blast with WotLK. Granted, I was a PvE-only carebear skrub, but I greatly enjoyed topping the DPS meters in just about every fight, and even out-AoE-ing the butthurt mages with Fan of Skill (FoKing rogues!).

We were the undisputed DPS kangz in WotLK, which felt right to me as we were a pure DPS, squishy, melee class. I dunno how it is nowadays. Haven't played in nearly 5 years.

>>381010308
The only MoP private server I know of is that Hungarian one, Tauri I think its called.

>>381010858
>engaging quest lines interesting npcs and a huge amount of lore
Of every expansion MoP had the worst of the heavily scripted and phased storyline railroad quests.

>>381013252
>I dunno how it is nowadays.
The glory days of the rogue are pretty much over.
Doesn't help that they have to compete with three other leather agility classes either.

if you were still playing after Cata, but quit for MOP you are quite honestly retarded

MOP was a fucking great expansion for the most part - lolpandas is not a reasonable excuse to discard it

It had pretty great raids (Throne of Thunder was fucking great)
Busy areas where you'd meet lots of people like Timeless Isle, Throne of Thunder (dat serverwide progressive unlocking)
Class balance was great and most classes were in good shape mechanically speaking
The areas were pretty nice to look at and varied - the forests, the wastes, the klaxxi areas, the vale
It brought back world bosses in a meaningful way with the Sha of Anger and the dinosaur boss

this is literally just off the top of my head having not played for years

Oh monk was a great fucking addition to the game too, with all the specs being good, if not overpowered.

The main issues MoP had was the lack of 5 mans whilst levelling and SoO for an entire year.

>>381008307
this shit. Grizzly Hills is my favorite area of any game.

MOP was actually the last decent expansion.

Cataclysm was shit, and everything in WotLK after Ulduar was shit, but MoP saw a lot of the original creative team give up on Titan and shift back to help on MoP because it was new lore and less serious, being based on Samwise's joke race of characters.

So MoP initially had that spark that TBC and early WotLK did. After launch, most of the A team transitioned back to Titan to salvage it into Overwatch, and while they were doing that, some of the high-level directors stayed on WoW to make WoD as a "throwback", but it had none of the vision behind it, because the visionaries were all over making Overwatch.

Legion was worse. Basically Cataclysm 2.0 in terms of the team behind it. It's amazing it turned out even as middling as it did. It was expected to flop but we underestimated how much players would love A) automated content from class halls after Garrisons, and B) shiny artifact weapons.

WoW is basically on life support now, though. With the money Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, and Hearthstone rake in on loot boxes and card packs, WoW's business model is considered obsolete.

Keep an ear to the ground on Diablo 4, though. It's currently developing like PoE. A semi-MMO ARPG. You can run into people in the world while you're exploring, if you choose to enable the option, and there's RNG PvE content based around horadric caches (likely to be renamed) that drop from rare or elite enemies and contain most of the shit worth getting in the game, including legendary and set drops. Most of those items will no longer drop normally. You will only get them from killing a hard boss, preferably with friends in (currently) 6-person groups, that are expected to grow to maybe 10 person "raids". Of course, the caches will be purchasable to some degree, or you'll be able to buy droprate increasers. Experimentation is ongoing to figure out the best way to get microtransactions into D4 beyond a boring cosmetic shop.

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>people still talk about tbc like it was amazing even though it started currency farming, difficulty modes, muh competitive arena over bgs, and awful writing

>>380998315
MoP was actually a good exp. I quit after playing WoD.

>>380999805
Should've made a troll hunter.

BC>Wotlk>MoP>Cata>WoD (Haven't played Legion).

That's funny because MoP was one of the best expansions.

>>381014682
heroic dungeons were actually hard
the raids were actually hard and required a lot of prepping
only ppl that didn't like arena were PvE scrubs
farming elements for mats was a little cancer i'll give you that

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>>381005808
le monke

>>381009319
>Didn't play TBC or Vanilla.
then don't rate expansions because your opinion isn't wanted

>>381015936
>only ppl that didn't like arena were PvE scrubs
or non resto druids warriors or warlocks

TBC > Wrath > Vanilla > MoP > Cata > Legion >>>>> WoD
Vanilla/TBC/Wrath are like a classic trilogy, Cata onwards is like the reboot that didn't understand the appeal of the trilogy and tried to modernise
Everything except WoD i would consider playable even if the glory days died with Arthas. WoD was truly the only xpac i would say that i had almost no redeeming qualities.

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how much dosh will i make?

>>380998315
MoP was a great time, the panda stuff wasn't too bad, it was a nice change of mood, since pretty much everything before was so dark and gritty.

>>381018689
is this what autism looks like

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Does it still hold up?

>>381006612
>It was also unbalanced as fuck and Blizz had to pull cheesy balancing tactics like pic related.
The dodge debuff is more an issue with stat balancing and the CTC cap rather than ICC itself, healing was already far too powerful so having 100% avoidance on top of that just made tank damage even more irrelevant.

>>381018689
very little if any. Legion is the expansion where professions died a horrible death

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I hate my nostalgia goggles for this game. I know the paladin mount quest was some arduous bullshit but....I can't help but hate how easy that - and everything else in the game just comes to everyone. Everything just feels way too easy to get or do - there's no sense of accomplishment. So much of the vanilla and TBC stuff was tedious as hell....but I want it back.

Pandaria is Maximum Comfy: The Landmass. Prove me wrong

>>381010858
Lots of cool features but they introduced a bunch of shit lore nobody cared about like

>muh ancient mogu prophecy
>dude karate PANDAS XD
>beer "ale"ementals

I get that they wanted to appeal to the chinese but we already had a token "bad ass drunk warrior" in the dwarf and that shit was annoying too. We didn't need 2.

>>380998315
You dedicated all this time to playing the definitive neckbeard online fantasy game and "childish pandamen" is what put you over the edge?

>>381013252
>We were the undisputed DPS kangz in WotLK
Then Fury Warrs came along and DKs got Smourne. Fucking loved WOTLK rogue though, some how managed to make assass feel fast paced.

>>381020404

Didn't it get burned down in Legion? Thought I heard that somewhere.

>>381020570
>dude karate PANDAS XD
Did you even play WC3 you underage retard

How did we go from;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6WP9qHyRM

to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waVSu4adDM ?

>>381021857
I wish I could spam that inn music at shitters

>>381021857
>what is contrast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esd3EcxQho4
HOW COULD BLIZZARD PUT PIRATE MUSIC IN MUH SEIRIOUS GAME!!!!!!!!!
LIITERALLY RUINEEDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>>381023234
last time blizzard tried to get serious it was nothing but orcs for 3 years

>>381021857
Did you seriously compare inn music to Frozen Throne music

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>>381023234
>>381023462
stay mad panda babies
your favorite race is and always has been a joke race just like gnomes and goblins

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I am Lei Shen, slayer of kings and gods. You have made a grave mistake.

>>381023821
But i play tauren, (You) dumbfuck

>>381021857
Because WotLK was the absolute height of WoW, both in story and in subs, and blizzard knew it

At least in early concept and production, the Lich king was going to have to be ramped and amped up to be as menacing and intense as the early stories in WoW and in WC3 made him out to be

MOP was pandashit that literally no one gave a shit about from the original team, it was already Activisions theme park and they hamfisted whatever they could get away with. For god's sake they took a literal joke of a race and ran an entire expansion with it

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>>381024080
>people who unironically defend MoP also happen to be furries
Really makes you think

>>381024196

>>381024092
>wrathbaby has shit opinion
yawn

>>381009978
The troll starter area isn't so bad, I found. It has some minor drama spliced in and some story as well. Durotar is just a boring piece of crap of a starter area.

>>381024651
>Pandashit has an opinion at all
Bravo for being able to formulate a response on your own

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>>381023821
I'm a sucker for chinese aesthetics

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>mfw replaying warcraft 3 campaign
How the fuck did they do it? This game is a fucking masterpiece. I can't believe the same company made this.

>>381024935

That is one sassy-looking warlord.

>>381005728
>and legit picks between talents with more power but requiring more skill,


Can you provide an example? in most cases blizzards philisophy seems to be more about differentaiting playstyles not rewarding skill so the harder to use talents either dont outperfom the 2 button "rotation" or they ironically end up doing worse.

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>"Lesser expacs, intruding here? A shame that your excess content does not compensate for your banality!"

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>>380998315
I love WoW, yet I hate everyone who plays it and everyone who used to play it that won't shut up about it. All of you just ooze a level of bitterness and hate that it's no wonder I like playing this game by myself more than I like playing it with others.

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>>380998315
>I just -could not- get over the fact that there was going to be an entire expansion dedicated to childish pandamen

>he gives a shit about the NPCs you get quests from instead of the bad ass monsters you get to fight

Sha where awesome
Zandalari where awesome
Mantids where awesome

>>381025262
I miss Yrel

Pandaria just didnt feel like it fit with WoWs aesthetic. Pandaren i dont really have a problem with but Pandaria just felt like it was pandering to Chinese and it was just the most stereotypical depiction of asian influenced culture ive ever seen.

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>>381025834
me so solly

>>381025834
I'd rather have Chinese pandaring than WoD

>>381003364
Everyone's too casual/underage to have played Warcraft 3 or realize that Tauren are just as fucking stupid.

>>381026323
This pic perfectly encapsulates what MoP was

>>381026383
At least Draenor felt like WoW even id WoD fucking sucked

>>380998315
MoP was definitely better than both WoD and Legion. Could have had a decent time if you ignored the pandas. WoW now feels like a husk of its former self, WoD and Legion really did a number on it.

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>>381003459
I miss scholomance and its million bosses

>>381003364
>>381026501
The Pandaren were added to Warcraft 3 as an April Fool's joke.

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>>381026724
>garrisons felt like wow

>>381010308
No good MOP server. Probably wont be for a long time since people are STILL struggling to make a good TBC server and the only decent cata server fucked up its own spaghetti when it added content and they are still fumbling to fix it.

>>381027028
You're not listening to me and you probably not going to regardless of what i say and i wasn't talking about Garrisons. Im talking about Draenor itself.

>>381010308
>a good private server
Get a job. There's no such thing as a "good private server"

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>>381003364
pandaren were also in the TBC alpha

>>381014682
I'll give you awful writing, and maybe currency farming. The badge grind was really minor and more existed so playing 5 mans wasnt a complete waste of your time. Arena was great, even as an Enh Shaman I had a good time in the sea of druids. TBC was great, if you want to bitch about anything I would say daily quest hubs are cancer that fucked the game in BC.

>>381026724
Doesn't change the fact that pandaria was infinitely better crafted and generally more fun to play. WoD was a constant circlejerk of "HAY REMEMBER LITERALLY WHO THAT DIED WAY BACK IN NOBODYCARES", a trend that's continuing in legion sadly.

>>381014682
The last patch of BC also started the trend of introducing welfare gear and it nerfed a lot of the old world questing making it a faceroll you can solo all the way

I've always been interested in playing WoW but I had a complete ass computer that was the family computer until I graduated high school. By the time I finally got myself a decent computer that could run WoW, Cataclysm had already happened. I lost interest because I never got to experience what the world was actually supposed to be like.

>>381027967
Doesnt change the fact that pandaria had nothing to do with wow and was basically a filler xpac that everybody hated at the time and now all of a sudden is cool to like

>>380998315
MoP is the best expansion to date. They will probably never top it

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>>381027179
>being this mad about pandas

>>381028156
Yeah, thats what i thought.

>>381028138
That's just your own butthurt. It had old gods, a horde leader that wasn't a giant faggot, and good gameplay. Everything that could made WoW interesting was present.

>all of a sudden is cool to like
There was never anything wrong with it. The only people who disagreed were turbonerds who absolutely positively could not stand having content that wasn't just recycled trash from previous entries.

>>380998315
Ironically this expansion ended up being better than Wrath, Cata, WoD, and Legion.

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>>380998315
MOP was the second best expansion, fight me fuccboi.

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>warlocks will never have MoP KJC again

>/v/ loves MoP and Cata now
>10 years from now people will be telling me how WoD and Legion were underrated
this place is doomed

>>380998315
>childish pandamen

Except that this is the expansion that actually had thought into it. What ruined it was the fucking Horde, like always.

>>380999545
I and many other people in my 25 man raiding guild quit when they announced their intentions to make the game "Harder" in Cataclysm.

The officers tried to convince me not to and to at least give it a chance because I'm one of the most skilled members.

But i knew it was going to be a hot mess and i wanted out before it happened. I knew that "Hard" heroics are not really hard when you're in a competitive guild, but i did know that it would absolutely decimate recruiting opportunities and making raiding more of a pain than it actually is.

fast forward a few months. The server's raiding scene is dead, the top guilds have either broken up or moved to another server and Dragon Soul went down as one of the worst raids in the game.

Now i hear that they're doing EVERYTHING possible to slow down Tomb of Sargeras progression and progression for players general because the WoW team cannot create content fast enough.

Same thing is happening for Destiny 2

MoP would have been the GOAT expansion if Throne of Thunder was the last raid with more Pandaren stuff before it and the story never got ORKED

>>381028962
>Those people on the forums who continue to spout nonsense about how X Horde aligned person was RIGHT

I fucking hate Orcs

>>381028018
TBC made everything 1-58 completely pointless since going to outland is practically a reset button, people were right that something 100% pointless shouldn't take so long

>>381028660
the anti-MoP contrarians never even played it which is why all they talk about is how pandas look

>MoP is the first time Blizzard really did something new with WoW
>FUCKING PANDAS DUDE APRIL FOOLS JOKE LMAO #NOTMUHWOW
>WoD happens because of these shitflingers

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it was a great game, I stuck to it for far too long, getting hyped for every content patch and expansion, even fooled myself into thinking I was having fun with Legion for awhile. Legion was finally the last straw though, theres just so much mindless grinding I can take, I got really tired of being lied to as well. Every expansion the dev team awkwardly shuffles onto the stage at blizzcon and announces THIS time we have our shit together, no more content draughts! and every time its a lie. Theres no point

>>381028862
The only people who hate MoP are autists who still play the game and assert that every latest expansion is the best one ever, except when it isn't for some arbitrary bullshit

>b-but pandas

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>>381029082
>Jaina will never get to dismantle the horde

>>381029363
Cata killed the game and MoP didnt fix anything, how the fuck is MoP on par with TBC?

>>381029375
The ending to SoO was hype as fuck, I don't care what anyone says.

>>381029375
>Varian's dead and Jaina's so crazy the story forgot about her

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>>381029375
>mfw Varian wanted to dismantle the Horde but orcs ARE INNOCENT OF ANY WRONG DOING AND VARIAN IS JUST A MEANIE WARMONGER
>mfw Varian was proven right later in the future

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>>381029603
She unsubbed when they let the horde back in Dalaran

>>381029375
don't worry she's probably the next one up on the SUDDENLY i'm CORRUPTED and EVIL block

with how they just slapped out Ysera i'm ready for DREADLORD JAINA

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>*gets corrupted in your path*

>they still havent put Mekkatorque in HotS with that power suit he used in the Broken Shore intro

Why

>>381029082
>>381029707

Orcs are douchebags. They keep whining about how no one gives them anything, and how they need to wage war because they have no food or resources, when the reason they don't have food or resources is because they keep stripmining everything for war, and people don't give them anything because they'll invade your lands for not giving them more.

>>381029345
Its only ever going to get worse, ill check up on it every once and a while because im invested in the story and lore but i wont ever play it again

>>381001007
This. MoP had everything, the ambiance and the music were top tier as well. Though Cata and WoD killed Warcraft

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>>381029862
I love that comic

>>381029375
>>381029603
>>381029862
They're saving Jaina for the final instance of this expansion.

>>381029375
>>381029862
That was great

>MoP was supposed to be about the factions realizing the insignifance of their continued conflict
>Ashran aka Trashcan and the Genn vs Sylvanas stuff are still a thing

>>380998315
>Cow people, gnomes, and people who can shape shift into cats and bears are okay
>Panda people is too far

kek

>>381030217
Factions scarcely make sense anymore either

If WoW players were genuinely concerned about what makes sense for their precious "lore", then there should be an outcry for every member of the horde to jump ship and eradicate orcs for being the most destructive race in Azeroth.

It should be every intelligent race vs orcs at this point

>>381030725
I bet you thought this post was clever
Go post it on reddit, im sure you'll get the ego boost you need there

>>381030674

Did anything happen after Greymane dogfucked her super secret plan to save the undead? Did anything happen with her as warchief?

>Re sub to legion a couple of days ago
>Everyone I knew stopped playing
>Not re subbing after this month
I fucking hate the way they changed feral druids

pandaria was the best expansion and fem pandas are the greatest addition to the game ever

>>381030763
>eradicate orcs for being the most destructive race in Azeroth
but that's elves

>>381031141
thanks /wowg/

>>381031297
elves are just mutant trolls

>>381030763
>It should be every intelligent race vs orcs at this point
Throw in the Undead as well.

If those two races were gone from the Horde, there might actually be a good chance for peace between the two factions now.

>>380998315
you missed second to best expansion senpai
wotlk best expansion

>>381031297
>>381031387
Elves are kinda destructive mutants

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>>381031450
>>381030763
>Trolls
>anything but trouble

>>381025178
Arms has a talent, can't remember exactly what it's called, that is by far the best damage option but is really high intensity and requires a lot of careful rage management. I think they've had to nerf it quite a bit over legion but it's still their design intention that it be the strongest talent in the row and also the most difficult one.

any chance blizzard will make legacy servers?

>>381031603
Darkspear have a chance so long as you don't let them near the purple Knife Ears

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>>381031760
>legacy servers

>>381030763
>>381031297
>>381031450
>>381031871

So, what I'm hearing is:

>Horde drops the orcs and undead
>Alliance kills the elves
>Peace and prosperity across the land

Is that about it?

Pvp on the timless isle was fun as fuck.

>>381032017
Yes.

And now that the player population isn't divided by factions and you've immediately done away with the races behind every rehash, we can hopefully get a better game out of it.

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>>381032017
>orcs, elves and undead form their own third faction
also seriously how the fuck does the horde keep having more orcs? Are they still secretly using Guldans growth hormones?

>>381032285
that would be the smart thing to do, given blizzard won't do a fucking thing about faction imbalance because transfer shekels, and 100% of the population hates crz cancer

>>381003791
I agree fully with you. I hate that everyone thinks MoP was this Kung Fu Panda adventure when it really wasn't. MoP is my favourite expansion to date so far and Monk is still my main, every time I go back there to do class-hall stuff or whatever reason I love flying around, I think they all round did a solid job of building Pandaria up and making it look really beautiful.

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>>381032713
fucking blizzard forget money and give a good game REEEEE

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>>381032942
>blizzard forget money

How to fix orcs:

1. Labor camp all males.
2. Place all females in leisure camps so they become weak.
3. Everyone gets an orc waifu.

>>381034470
But I want a Panda wife

>>381034909

Sorry, not allowed. Something about the EU, last I heard.

the biggest issue with MoP wasn't even pandarians. pandarians are lame, but not as much as the premise that WoW should have a "China World" continent. this is the worst kind of fantasy worldbuilding and even though Blizzard had done it before MoP was taking it to an extreme. if the Pandarians had been humans it still would've been a bad expansion

fantasy is fun because you get to mix and match real world cultures and be creative. MoP came about by recreating one specific culture and being so afraid of offending actual Chinese people that it's a boring Disneyland version of it. imagine how shitty Warcraft would be if Blizzard always took that approach to world building. of course the Chinese found it boring too. i have no idea why anyone thought that it was going to be some huge success in China. guess what appealed to the Chinese market to begin with... being Warcraft. over the top heavy metal fantasy. "yay, now I finally get to play myself as a cutesy, desexualized teddy bear while the European stand-ins are muscled badasses" said nobody.

shame, because MoP actually had great raids

>>381037059
>muscled badasses
>orcs: niggers
>tauren: injuns

You what now?

MoP was great.

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>/v/ claims Blizzard is finished
>Currently dominating the MMO, FPS, and RTS genres on PC alone

Christ it's hard to know when you guys aren't pretending to be retarded

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>>381037673
http://diablo.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/job-opening-reveals-warcraft-iii-diablo-ii-remastered

READY TO EMBRACE THAT INNER PALADIN?

>>380999545

this so much

The game felt so wrong

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>>381038316

MoP was dramatically better than Cataclysm and Warlords of Farmville, but still a distant 4th behind the first 3 releases.

WoW still has million of crack addicts, but the game long since stopped being a market force in terms of design influence and sales. It was a one hit wonder, never to be reproduced. Move on.

>>381038704
>Glad you could make it, CRACKA.
>Lissen homeboi, there be sumfin bout this plague you should know bout
>These niggas are all infected n some shiiiet. We gotta go in there and pop their asses.

Why is Chinaland not acceptable but Scandinavialand okay?
>Odyn

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>>381040064
>Not loving giant snusnu

>>380998315
Asking people their opinion on this expansion is like separating the wheat from the chaff

I've never heard it called bad from someone who wasn't a superficial or edgy fuck

I TOO HEV PROOVED MY WERT ODEEN

>>380998315
shame, pandaria was a pretty cool zone. cool music too

>i am ok when blizzard copy pastes indigenous cultures and ancient mythologies into my mmorpg >but ancient china is where i draw the line fucking kung-fu pandas

>>380998315
I came back to see what MoP was like. It fucking tricked me into thinking WoW had a good future again, and I was all hyped up for WoD because I fucking love the Orc WC2 heroes and Draenor sounded savage and awesome. But fuck Blizzard, who has to shit on everything good.

I will never not be mad. WoD should have been the best expansion ever.

>>381044056
I've wanted Pandaren Brewmasters since BC. I was taken back by the negativity they got. Maybe it was just timing, Cata really soured people.

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I quit when raidfinder was released. It killed a lot of the more personal interactions and made the world feel dead. I remember very well that there was essentially a war camp just made of tons of players having conversations outside of the wailing caverns waiting to group up.

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THE TIME HAS COME CHAMPIONS

WE MUST STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THE LEE JUN

GO FORTH AND GATHER ME 1895 MARKS OF AGONY

AND DON'T FORGET TO UPDATE YOUR PAYMENT INFORMATION

>>381045839

I guess with two Kung Fu Panda movies out by the time it was announced, people forgot about Frozen Throne.

>ruining the comfiness of durotar and barrens
NEVER FORGIVEN

>>381044056
MOP wasn't reviled because it was oriental fantasy. it was hated because it was big stupid disney tier pandas. If they would have taken things just a little bit more seriously the expansion would have been fine

>>381047113
>Durotar
>comfty
did you misspell Mulgore?

>>381047436
both, but durotar let you remove filthy humans in the little castle by the ocean

>>381047556
I'd be lying if I said that I did not like Durotar. Durotar had the funnest quests and coolest areas but I can't find the atmosphere around it comfty. For what it's worth I hate questing in Mulgore despite it being comfty.

>>381018689
about tree fiddy, Not even enough to buy a month of gametime

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>>381047556
>>381047781
>You will never do laps around Ogrimmar's Bank roof again while shit posting in trade chat about why Blood Elves ruined the horde.

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>>381042656

>>380999545

Cataclysm at the start wasn't bad. Its leveling experience was pretty good and the first tier was great.

The problem was content dried up quickly after the first raid tier. Firelands and Dragon Soul were both incredibly short, barebones raids that Blizzard was hoping on having Raid Finder entice more players into raiding and then Heroic mode keeping them busy.

Blizzard's biggest folly overall across the years was assuming that the main reason that people didn't raid was because they couldn't. While it done for good intentions and for good business practices (Spending a lot of time and resources to make amazing raid tiers that 1-5% of the community would ever see was just not good business); by trying to make raiding more and more accessible all they did was fragment the community into smaller and smaller bubbles.

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>>381023821
>Joke race
>Goblin

Nah mate.

>>381048357
Can a human impregnate a dairy cow?

>>381049569

I'm 60% certain that's a doujin somewhere.

>>381030217
>>381030763

While many things about Warlords of Draenor pissed me off, the fact that the Orcs were still leading the Horde really bothered me.

>Just a year ago or so their leader gets corrupted and declares war on everyone not an Orc
>A huge portion of the Orc population goes along with this and agrees completely with lynching non-Orc members of the Horde
>Garrosh gets defeated, somehow creates an alternate version of Draenor
>Everyone gets to see that several clans of Draenor did NOT need the Blood Haze to drive them to invade Azeroth to conquer and kill non-Orcs
>Orcs then take primary helm of the Horde Expedition into Draenor

The Orcs should have been fucking shamed into quiet obscurity for their actions.

>>381050698
orcs and humans are by far the largest factions, no orcs = no horde

are all vanilla private servers dead?
are there any good ones?

>>380998315
find a MOP private server, everything afterwards was awful

>>381051230
>are there any good ones?
All private servers are pretty shit tbqh

>>380998315
Its just a theme to give them a new exotic locale.

Pandaren were in war3 long before kung fu panda was a thing.

You're going to quit soon after re-subbing, so you might as well just not do it at all.

>>381051312
really should've clarified
meant "good" as in "works" and "attempts to fix atrocious vanilla balance"

>>381009648
MoP was one of the better expansion though,

>b-but muh klung fu panda
kys

So when are they going to do another stat squish?

>>380998315

If you actually played MoP you'd have relaized that it wasn't "childish" at all, at least not relative to any other expansion. Like, there were a few quest lines and one 5-man that was significantly goofier than normal (Stormstout Brewery) and everything else was as serious as anything is in WoW.

MoP was a solid expansion overall- better than WoD or Cataclysm, at the very least. The only real problem it had was that SoO was dragged out for an entire goddamn year, but "last tier was way too long" has been a problem with pretty much every xpac since LK.

>>381051476
> "attempts to fix atrocious vanilla balance"
LMAO no.

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>>381026916
i want to FUCK Jandice

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Can someone please explain what the point of private servers are if you can still play all the previous expansions on the official server?

I mean FFS all Blizzard has to do is give people the option to not receive any XP when they click a button and then you can stay level 60 forever.

>>381052042
why does no server do this
vanilla could be even better if the stupid shit was just fixed

>>381052147
>
I mean FFS all Blizzard has to do is give people the option to not receive any XP when they click a button and then you can stay level 60 forever.
You can do this.
The problem is that classes have changed dramatically over the years, in many cases for the worst.
Spells that made different classes unique were removed in order to homogenize everything. They took the "take the player not the class" mentality too far.

>>381052295
there's no objective way to fix vanilla, everyone just buffs their favorite class and it turns into a shitshow nobody wants to play

>>381052147
blizzard can't even keep stats straight on current content, how do you think low level on retail plays?

>>381052295
I think there are some servers out there that run on the WoTLK client but are locked at level 60. Not sure which ones specifically and whether or not they're active, but I do know they exist.

>>381052147

Lots of the old content has been changed heavily or removed entirely and class design and balance is completely different now.

It's like if you only have a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4 but people are saying you can play Metal Gear Solid 1 as well since you revisit Shadow Moses.

>>381023946

Best endboss fight in MoP.

>>381029345

Legion's actually been better with content pacing than any era in the game's history, the AP/Legendary bullshit is just so terrible that it doesn't matter.

>>381029862
>>381029375

Honestly, the fact that at the end of SoO they were all "the pandas suffered the most, they should decide what to do with Garrosh" was kind of bullshit. He fucked up the vale pretty hard, sure, but unlike Theramore the vale is still a thing that exists. The Horde should have said "Jaina, you get to decide what to do with them as long as this buries the hatchet and we're cool from here on" and then Blizzard figures out some other way to lead into the worst expansion in the game's history.

And of course the eventual actual kill of Garrosh going to fucking Thrall was even more bullshit. Jaina should have popped in at the last minute in that encounter, gone "LOL FUCK YOU MINE," and teleported Garrosh to her own personal torture chamber that she built solely for him where he'd suffer a slow and horribly painful death.

Or at least make it some moment where Jaina's all "FUCK YEAH I'M GOING TO MAKE HIM SUFFER SUPER HARD BEFORE I KILL HIM" and then Thrall as all "whoa Jaina you used to be better than this don't turn into a monster just because of some bullshit Garrosh pulled" and Jaina goes "okay fine I guess I won't become even more of a monster today" and finishes Garrosh quickly.

>>381054034
t. Jaina

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>>380998315
I quit during shitaclysm and never ever played wow once again, I bought Pandaland for my gf tho

>>381054034

War Crimes was really, really dumb, and it set things up for an extremely unnecessary expansion.

>>381052147

The overwhelming majority of the content released in the original game doesn't exist anymore, at least not in its original form- most of that happened with Cataclysm, but they've also rehashed classic dungeons into new ones in almost every expansion since then, destroying the original versions in the process.

>>380998315
I gave Cataclysm a month.
I gave MoP a day. Never felt so bad about spending my money like that before.

>>381056243
mop was good though

>>381056503
how can it be good if it had pandashit
not even a footnote in WC3

>>380999545

That's when I quit. When it took one week of casually playing to hit level cap and get decently geared and max out heroics I was done. The first week or two before the nerfs were a nice challenge. Then it just...died for me.

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>you'll never caught kil'rok giving head to illihoof for the first time again

>>381056603
gameplay wise
story has been shit and irrelevant since tbc

>>381057194
but i don't play Crusader Kings 2 for its medieval setting
i played it for all the fantasy mods and the gameplay that comes with the base game

>>381057270
>but i don't play Crusader Kings 2 for its medieval setting
then there is literally no reason to play crusader kings you fucking retard

>>381056243
>I gave MoP a day. Never felt so bad about spending my money like that before.
This explains a lot actually.
It really seems like most of the people who badmouth MoP didn't actually play it and just parrot outdated memes.

>>381057417
?
are you dumb?

>>381057502
What? That the setting didn't allow a lot of people to experience the interesting gameplay?
You don't think that's an issue to address?
Somehow the terrible setting is excused?

>>381011246
>MoP 5.2 time since BC an expansion gained subs mid-release

You are literally shitting out your mouth.

Garrosh did nothing wrong.

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Wrath of the Lich King was objectively (via sub numbers) the height of WoW. Was Cataclysm so bad that it caused the sub hemorrhage or did WoW simply reach its ceiling?

>>381058096
I honestly don't remember why Cataclysm was bad.
It didn't have the iconic class neutering of MoP or the total lack of content of WoD.

>>381058037

He didn't kill Sylvanas.

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>>381058096
>Elves
Cata front-loaded the questing experience to be incredibly detailed, but incredibly single player.

The lonely tryhard NEETs wojak over not being needed for elite quests and such.

They then full hyperbole because the second patch of Cata introduced rehashes of ZG/ZA that shit on anyone looking to just have fun. The NEETs rejoiced, and sub numbers plummeted.

They then kneejerk nerfed all content difficulty across the board for the remainder of the expansion and followed up with 3 garbage dungeons and a garbage raid that made the player Thrall's cuck.

By that point everyone hated Cata.

That's the rundown.

>>381052749
His name? Lei Shen. The Thunder King

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q51B6M70QBs

Each expansion got progressively worse then the last, adding less and less content and making everything else before it obsolete.

That being said, MOP was fine, it had all the problems of post 3.2 WOW's end game which of course caused the game to suffer greatly, and with the chink theme rather then the euro fantasy its foundations are based on, pandaria would have been a fun patch in a larger, more diverse themed expansion, but not as a main course.

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>>381058227
People will say it was bad because it was "challengin again" and then they nerfed it but what really made it bad was Blizzard tried to play games with the fan base and cater to two completely disparate groups at once extreme casuals and hardcore raiders and the two just cant be pleased at the same time.

I don't blame Wraith starter players for expecting similar content in the next expansion. I also don't blame BC players who wanted the hard shit back. Blizzard was in the wrong fro trying to please these two divergent player bases and not just forging ahead in one direction or the other. This has been a consistent problem since.

Also the Deathwing fight was one of the most disappointing things ever to exist. They dropped the water raid dungeon and left a huge story hanging. I think the dungeons in general are a bit bland and too linear.

There was a lot good about Cata though as well and I think it and Mist are over hated. Mist more so but Cata had a lot of good points that got overlooked as time went on.

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You should have known the lore would take a huge nosedive after seeing WoTLK and the useless fantasy exposition brought about by the invention of the Vrykul and the Titan Watcher/Keepers and whatever the fuck else they brought into Northrend.

Bringing life to Northrend was a cheap expansion tactic as to make world-building easy on the creators by condensing all biomes into a yet another large zone. A large frozen wasteland wouldn't have worked as easily as an entire expansion, so Blizzard went down the extreme lazy route with writing as they always do--by introducing even more fantasy shit instead of working with what they already have.

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>>380998315
The only people that didn't like MoP were the faggots that hyped up the dumpster fire that was WoD.

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>>381058826
>They then kneejerk nerfed all content difficulty across the board for the remainder of the expansion
This was the kicker for me too.
I still and will always feel that early cata had the best 5 man content in the game. Its sad what Blizzard decided to do to it.
Not even the mythic+ dungeons in Legion really do it for me. No real need for cc or tactics, just spam aoe moves through the whole dungeon while avoiding standing in bad stuff.

>>381058096
WOTLK was the last expansion that was built upon themes established in the RTS series and not books, obscure lore, or 'what if' scnearios.

I mean after arthas died, everyone was like "welp, thats that."

Also the main problem with cataclysm started with Wrath, specifically the introduction of the dungeon queue late into the expansion, so people went into Cataclysm hoping to faceroll dungeons for easy badges, thus turning the entire pug scene into cancer, where tanks would take groups hostage because people didn't want 2 hour queues, you'd be kicked just for not outgearing shit by multiple tiers, and the content itself was designed for the solo oriented player until raids, which meant that most people wouldn't meet people to actually play with in a natrual way and hand to do the EVE style job application to get into a proper guild, or hope that chinese gold farming spambot guild #2415 had some decent players in it, which they usually didn't, because the jobs just spammed everyone on the server ungilded to join so they could generate free gold to sell.

>>381059192
>They dropped the water raid dungeon and left a huge story hanging
tfw this zone was the best questing/exploration you've ever experienced in an MMO game

>>381059517
mythic+ is fundamentally retarded. it was established to provide a more accessible challenge dungeon route and ultimately ended up being the a shittier version of diablo 3 rifts capable of simultaneously pissing off one additional person.

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>>381058921
I think Mist was the second best expansion and even the things that were wrong with it like "muh dailies" weren't really a problem so much as limiting people to that one option for progression was bad. If we had those dailies but also had the tabard system that they never should have ended and a few other ways to get rep it really wouldn't have been so bad.

People complain about resilience being taken away but in PVP everything else was so on point concerning balance and fun in that I think it was the best PVP expansion.

It had more story content than any other expansion, it had one of the best artstyles and Monk is one of my favorite classes.

>>381059192
I feel that was cataclysm, and WOW's ultimate downfall ,they split the playerbase up way too much, instead of having everyone participate in one overall progression based system, they split everyone up into their own tiers of difficulty, and made it harder and harder to interact with one another.

The last good guild i ever had in WOW was in wrath, and I found them by getting picked up to fill an ony 25 slot, and they recruited me, you don't get that in WOW anymore, you can't, everyone's phased away from one another, there is no casual PUG content anymore for people to naturally meet and become part of a greater community, thanks to flex, crossrealm, and ilvl filtering, instead the only reason to be in a guild is to farm heroics or try to do mythic raids, and the vast majority of people are more content on just running it on LFR and then getting their tier set transmogs next expansion.

>>381059957
And you would simply be wrong.

The dungeon content in MOP was a disaster, two raid tiers were fundementally hated by the entire community, the only thing people really praise are the islands.

And on the PVP side of things it was IMBA as fuck thanks to PVP power tagged on to weapons with rating requirements, meaning that you were stuck being shit tier at everything until you unlocked those PVP power items, which required a lot of fucking shitslogging grinding where you'd get simply roflstomped by someone you couldn't even scratch because, lol no pvp power.

>>381059773
Mythic+ is what happens when the Legion team is mostly made up of the failures Diablo 3 team.

I just hope Pardo and his company makes something decent.

>>381058096
subs were already declining by the end of wotlk

>>381060431
I have 10 years of industry experience and he won't respond to my fucking application, so I have high hopes he's been picky. I just hope he's not hiring 20+ year veterans. Being that seasoned just means they're jaded and worthless, and we end up with Hellgate London again.

>>381060313
MoP dungeons did suck, MoP raids were good, the only complaint people had was that patches were spaced out oddly

present proof otherwise, minigame shitter

>>381060313
I liked MOP's dungeons, I also say and you can call me a pleb if you want that I preferred just sweeping through these easy more than I liked WOD's artificial difficulty hopsctoch bosses. If they aren't going to give us real challenge I'd rather it just be full casual like MOP's shit so I'm not wasting my time hitting targets with a billion hp while dodging toxic farts. I also think the more casual nature of some of the gameplay fit the easy going tone of Pandaria at least at the start of the expansion.

Every expansion has a least one lame or boring raid. I get that people don't like bug themed stuff and Terrace was short and piss easy but TOT and Siege were excellent in my opinion.

I'm more of a PVP player so I liked the PVP centric nature of the expansion. I can see why raiders felt short changed or forced into doing content they didn't want to, but welcome to WOW dude we had to play second fiddle to your content as well for most expansions.

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I quit right after the late Cata raids came out, because THAT'S WHERE IT FUCKING DIED ROFL

>>381061049
>don't like bug themed stuff
I don't remember people hating on AQ for its theme.

>>381061049
Except MOP dungeons were not only bad, they were unnecessary, the gear was garbage, and you got all the valor you needed from your mandatory daily quest grind anyway.

>>381060921
It doesn't seem he's been active at all lately.

But thats like Pardo, as a developer, he's always been very very quiet and behind the scenes.

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>>381061156
Your loss.

>>381061189
A lot of people hated both wings of AQ. Look up most hated raids lists and it comes up all the time.

>>381061438
Most of those lists hate AQ40 because its a long linear path with a ton of trash, and they're made by wrath babbies farming mogs.

AQ40 wasn't hated, its just most people in vanilla didn't progress into it, you've got to remember most 'raiding guilds' in vanilla were casual as fuck and didn't get past MC or Onyxia, and would even skip most bosses in ZG or outright couldn't get past general in AQ20

I thought Pandaren were there in Warcraft since forever since Samwise joined.

>>381062521

Yeah, they started as an April Fool's joke way back when, but apparently enough people liked the idea that they made it into the Frozen Throne.