Inverted or not inverted. I play inverted.

>>380963196
Trash. Not inverted is best.

Inverted for flying, normal for everything else.

This is the objectively best scheme and anyone who disagrees is a statistically insignificant outlier or a contrarian.

>>380963196
I set everything to inverted and then turn the controller upside down

>>380963196

Depends on the game.
FPS - not inverted
Flying game - Inverted like how a plane controls

althought when adjusting the camera in any game, i think i like it inverted.

Inverted for controller, non-inverted for mouse.

>>380963264
This

>>380963196
>developers name inverted as normal

It doesn't matter. Use what you prefer.

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OP here

inverted for controllers
normal for mouse

>>380963480
Fuck off

>>380963535
This is legit what was intuitive to me.

>>380963696
OP here
Don't be a cunt

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>brainlets who don't use inverted on y axis

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>>380963196
Inverted, always.

Even in FPS.
Even in FPS with a cotroller.

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Inverted is for nerds. Except when flying.

>>380963535
I think of it as tilting my wrist but yes that.

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>>380964134
>small brain for low think

>>380963196
Inverted makes no sense. You don't tilt your head down to look up.

Inverted for flying games because I'm a pilot irl and it's the most natural

Regular controls for everything else.

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>>380963196
I've seen people playing like the guy on the left and tried it myself. Couldn't play without inverted axis, it fucked with my mind.
actually a pretty comfy way to play

>>380963196
depends on the game

>>380963196
Inverted means different things to different people.
"Up is up" is the inverted setting for Japanese games.

>>380964389
This is literally "I overthink things too much" syndrome.

>the game offers you separate inversion toggles for flying and other gameplay sections

>>380964456
OP here
Yes but I see it as if you are grabbing the back of their head and to make them look down you move up.

>>380963535
If you use this logic and only invert the Y axis, then you're retarded.

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>>380964456
dumb

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>>380963196
>inverted camera
>inverted aim
>map rotation is normal, fuck you

>>380964668
look man, whatever kinky shit you're into is fine, but that makes no sense.

>>380964558
OP here well from reading other comments you might be able to figure out we're talking abou up is down is inverted.

>>380964519
What the actual fuck is this grip

>>380964993
It's call the "contrarian-tard-claw" grip

>>380964862
I think our difference lies in you interpreting it as "stick forward" and "stick back", whereas I would say "stick up" and "stick down".

Also
>playing first person games with a controller
I shiggy.

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>>380964632
for many people thinking doesn't require effort
you are literally down syndrome

>>380965330
Isn't the whole point of video games to get immersed to the point where it doesn't feel like you're controlling something?

>>380965310
Do you hold a controller vertically when you play?

Why are non inverts so tardy?

>>380964893
OP here
I'm into a little hair pulling but what I'm trying say is that when playing games I'm not looking through the character's eyes" I'm looking the back of their head (figuratively).

>>380965484
Then you need either appropriate controllers (like racing wheel for racing or joystick for flight sims) or at least well-utilised motion controls, not a joypad.

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>>380965330
>I push up for camera to go up
>I push down for camera to go down
Simple thought process based on logical outcomes
>DERP IF I AM HOLDING THING I APPLY FORCE ON THE BACK END OF THING AND OTHER END GO UP THEREFORE I MUST ALSO APPLY FORCE ON INVISIBLE OBJECT IN THE SAME SO AS TO--
And yet, I'm the retard.

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>>380965484
Yes that's why I use invert. I'm immersing myself into a game not into retardation.

Invert feels natural, rather than what you feel every moment of your life.. fetal alcohol syndrome.

>inverted control apologists
Have these filth always been here or did they arrive with Reddit?

>>380965516
>forward forward back back left right left right B A start
If that's how you say it, no wonder you never had any friends.

I use inverted X and Y, somehow feels more natural.

Only time I don't invert is for map screens or first person views.

>>380965681
Simple.
Sure is. Like everything else you do.
Not logical though. Just simple. Logical people think of the stick with logic and that would mean tilt back looks up. Inverted uses don't spend hours thinking about it. The just feel that way naturally because they aren't simple like you.

Simple simon. Dumb dumb dummy dumb dumb.

>>380965716
careful now, your tism is starting to show

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>>380963196
Be me, be mega hyped for the first Gundam Musou game...has like no fucking options to invert anything.

Well fuck, but I'm a BAM so i force myself through about 80 hours of retarded control schemes and it took me like two weeks afterwards to get my brain back to normal movement.

For that I will eternally hate the designer of the first game!

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>>380964389
>anon's anatomy

I use normal X and inverted Y, it just feels more natural to me. Didn't know it was a controversial thing.

>>380965716
>Invert feels natural
So, you naturally envision yourself holding a gun when you're looking around in real life? Did you also run like sonic in the playground?

>>380965962
It's not. This is just /v/ being /v/ as usual.

>>380965832
>irrelevant old man thinks the video game reference from the hipster t-shirt he bought on reddit is still cool
You're completely out of it. I bet you are fat too. Everyone who play up = up is overweight.

>>380965979
I bet he runs like Naruto actually.

>>380964389
But a gun is pivoted along the rear of the buttstock, not the center of the fucking thing

Look I know you're an underage nogunz but please spend 3 seconds actually thinking about how one would hold a firearm

>>380965979
No. But when I want to look up do I push my head up or tilt my head back?
Hmmmm let's see if you can figure this one out simple simon.

>>380963264
>statistically insignificant
But entropically very significant.

Back in the days most games used inverted so if you like it more is probably because you started playing games a long time ago

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>tfw always change a and d around, so that d moves me left and a moves me right
back in the late 90s I was heavy into quake team fortress. friend was teaching me how to rebind, and I accidentally set the keys this way. had no idea it was wrong, but since i've been using it this way for so long, I can't switch to the normal setup.

would like to switch to esdf at some point. that seems like a much better setup over wasd.

Inverted Y, non-inverted Y, who cares?
As long as you don't invert X-axis like a filthy Jap, you're ok with me.

>>380966318
Goldeneye indoctrinated me into the scummy world of inverted controls, it took many years of PC master race FPS with mouse and keyboard to deprogram my brain from that horror show.

>>380966227
Oh I get it now. You don't understand english

>>380966209
Doesn't matter. If you want to aim higher you tilt it back you don't lift the gun up above your head.

Fucking tard.

>>380964862

Wow. So you tilt the stick left and right to lean around corners? I guess you have to twist the stick in order to turn. I didn't know they could do that.

I play inverted but this is retarded.

>move mouse forward
>cursor goes up on screen

>move mouse forward
>crosshair goes up within videogame

What kind of retard would want to use two different input schemes for basically the same task when they're set to be the same by default

>>380966364
ESDF is only necessary for the most spergy milsim games where you need buttons to manually breathe, blink, salute and cock the hammer on your single action sidearm.

>>380966517
Inverted control apologists are universally consolecucks or even worse, PC controller users.

>>380966464
Yes, you do lift the barrel up.

Do you honest to god not understand the purpose of a buttstock?

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>>380966461
>be too dumb to understand basic things
>accuse others of not understanding english when they insult your intelligence.

>>380963196
FACT: Hitler was the first person to use inverted controls.

>>380966227
No, but you look up. That's not technically what your body is doing, but it's what happens. It's similar to how you don't think about your lungs expanding when drawing breath.

The fact that you overthink in this way is enough proof of your intelligence. Movement comes naturally to non retarded people.

If you don't invert at least the Y axis, you're a newfag and here's why: most games during and before the PS2 era had Y inverted by DEFAULT. Morrowind is an extremely clear example in my mind.

>>380966517

In most shooter games, the crosshair doesn't actually move vertically across the screen when aiming up or down, as the cursor does when moving the mouse to navigate the menu. Vertical aiming is a rotation of the camera while the crosshair, in relation to the screen, remains stationary. It's very different.

>>380966364
ESDF is good if you need over 15 buttons bound and your hand isn't small. Also learning to use it takes like a day and once you do, you can just switch between WASD and ESDF without skipping a beat.

>>380966592
>PC master race are too stupid to use multiple sets of control
truly a bunch of autists

>>380966727
>most games during and before the PS2 era had Y inverted by DEFAULT
Why is this relevant? I still played those games non-inverted.

>>380966668
OP here
Inverted controls come naturally to us we don't over think it before we play games we only think about it when we need to explain it to people who play non inverted.

>>380963264
SPBP

Inverted makes sense in flying to me because you are pushing the air down to go up.

>>380966624
huh muh guns
Do you know understand basic directions? You are are tilting the gun a certain direction, not lifting it up. If you had a pistol in your hand and wanted to shoot up which direction would you tilt your wrist? Forward or backwards?

>in b4 hurrr I don't understand I load muh magazine durr you probably think magazines are clips

Drooling spastic gun fucker

>>380966882
Simple, most people decide to not change any camera settings, which means that it's much more likely that someone who inverts at least Y is older than 18. If you played those games during their prime without inverting that's fine though.

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>>380966736
>look up? what do you mean look up?????
>oh you mean rotate my head backwards haha you should have specified

>>380966464
>

>>380964816
Except we don't tilt our head left to look right.

Stop being retarded on purpose.

There's no intrinsic relationship between "thumb forward" and "look up". Likewise with "thumb back" and "look down". This control scheme """makes sense""" if you hold the controller upright and observe that forward is up and back is down, but you're not thinking about this while you play unless you're a retard or a small child playing his first video game.

Controls in video games, despite having become somewhat standardized within genres, are completely arbitrary. You can teach yourself any retarded-ass control scheme and become good at it, if you want to. That's why playing inverted isn't harder for people who are used to it. Any logical or intuitive explanation for why a specific control scheme was chosen -- "up is up", for example -- is useful only the very first time you play. After the controls are learned, it's meaningless, because you don't need to apply that logic again each time you interact with the game.

That is, unless you're retarded.

>>380964389

Who the fuck sits there constantly thinking of the spatial alignment of the gun in relation to character pivot?

Something on my screen is up, I want the crosshair to go up, I move the mouse up.

>>380964862

Do you also twist the thumbstick to turn?

>>380967174

I was just pointing out the mechanical difference to someone who thought they were the same. There's no need for you to be a total faggot about it.

Inverted nipples or not?

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>>380966637
>But when I want to look up do I PUSH my head up or TILT my head back?

The fact that you had to use two different verbs for the same action tells me you're not in full control of the language. Tilting your head back is the same as looking up. There are the same. If someone telling you to tilt your head back, they could have just as well said tilt your head up. Back and Up are the reason this stupid thread is still going on. However, it's safe to assume you are a troll at this point so we're done here. Play how you want.

>>380967392
Only on Siri.

Inverted controls are like putting pineapple on pizza.

>>380967250
This whole inverted thing obviously applies to control sticks. If you think inverted has anything to do with a mouse your wrong.

>>380967498
haha us anti skub guys am i right

>>380967536

The thread didn't specify which and I don't play fucking console games so I'm not going to talk about sticks.

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>>380967536
Same thing applies to controllers though, if you're using the sticks in a menu up=up, just as it is with mice.

>>380967536
If you're playing a shooter with anything other than a mouse, you're wrong.

why are "normal" users so insecure?

>>380964389
this thousand times.

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I never figured out which one is "inverted" some games have inverted off and it's the same as inverted on in another game.

I mean more commonly I think if you push the right stick right and see more to your character's right it's "normal" and if you push right to see left it's inverted but if you think of actually moving a floating camera around it moves right when you push right in the one that is supposedly inverted so really it should be normal.

>>380967654
Most probably this >>380966727

>>380967649
>controlling FPS menu with right stick
name one

>>380967416
No you are just dumb. You think it's more logical to lift your head up if you want to look up than to tilt your head back.

if you want to look up at a building you just levitate up into the sky. You don't tilt your head back from the ground. You're a magic man and totally logical. You're not a drooling retard who doesn't understand basic things at all. You're one of those real clever guys who doesn't invert the control stick.

I bet you don't even use toilet paper because it's too complicated. Dumb dumb dumb.

>>380967774
they're both the same sticks
why would you make them function differently

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>>380967870
>they're both the same sticks
You need to update your controller

>>380963196
Inverted on mouse
Inverted on camera controls for non-FPS
Not inverted on controller

>>380968046
Controllers have 2 different kinds of joysticks for left and right nowadays?

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>>380968175

>>380967498
le pineapple on pizza meme NEVER gets old XD
neck yoself nigga

>>380967930
saved

>>380964389
>>380966464
But then if you pushed left you'd end up looking right.

Besides you don't pivot the buttstock, you shoulder the damn thing

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>>380968230
No you are right they are both the exact same stick and all the commands are the same button.

Love them up to date controls on these modern videogames.

>>380963297
>play FPS with a controller

>>380967654
>Halo/COD reddit babbies find out that non-inverted is a casual marker
>Try futilely to take it back, with "muh Japanese non-inverted games" and "bu-but non-inverted is more popular"

>>380967870
Because they have different functions. One for motion, one is for visual orientation.

>>380967930
>brainlet

>>380968341
There's only one person talking about pivoting butts and it's you.

I would say you are obsessed with pivoting butts in fact. You're a sick sick man. I bet you sleep with your rifles butt every night.

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Tell me how this doesn't make sense in 3rd person games

>be 7y/o
>gym class
>teacher tells us to jump
>dive head first into the concrete because mommy says I'm special and I have my own way of doing things
>sustain permanent brain injury
>can't play videogames anymore without inverting the controls because of my impairment

this is (you)

>>380967163
>image so utterly retarded nobody even responded until now and only to point out how utterly retarded the image is

Inverted. Not sure why- I think maybe because the first 3D game I played with vertical aiming was Descent (games like Doom automatically targeted enemies on a different vertical plane).

>>380963427
>Developer doesn't include inverted option.
IIRC this is the reason I didn't play more than a couple minutes of Red Faction: Guerrilla.

>>380968761
Doom isn't a 3d game you dummy. It's 2d.

>>380968656
>be 7y/o
this is (you)

>>380968842

You can go forward, backward, left, right, up, and down.

>b-b-but the game is actually 2D and the vertical dimension is an illusion, allow me to explain how the engine works because I'm so smart

Everything in video games is an illusion, so I don't care.

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Inverted X and Normal Y

>>380968842
I would argue that Wolfenstein was "2D" but Doom had a vertical element to its level designs.

>>380969069
You can't move up and down though. You can only move along a flat plane. Also, you clearly care enough to know this fact.

>>380963196
>Younger Self
Regular
>Older Self
Inverted
It's a weird transition, when I was playing through an old save of MGS2 I couldn't function in first-person mode.
It didn't help that the save was right on the encounter where you fought all the Metal Gear Rays. Why did Kojima think it was a great idea that you can only change and save control preferences on a terminal nerd?

>Everyone has a different example or diagram explaining why inverting the y-axis makes more sense and is more natural
>Applying any of them in practice would either also invert the x-axis or cause the screen to rotate
>hurr press right to look right it just works

>>380969243

You can go up and down stairs, ramps, and elevators. You can fall off ledges.

I don't care how the game renders or calcuates it. The game is depicting up and down movement. So it's a 3D game.

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>mouse
normal, inverted gives me shitfits
>3rd person, gamepad
normal, inverted gives me shitfits
>1st person, gamepad
either, although I generally prefer normal