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Why does new console speculation produce such retarded design

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Why does new console speculation produce such retarded design concepts?
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Kevin Tan more like Kevin Killyourself
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People who get hyped over new crap are usually kids or dumb adults
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Because some people like Kevin, are retarded
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This actually looks like something MS could do, except the name should be changed to XBOX TWO X ONE BOX
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Not all of them are terrible.
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>>380953276
that light bar is cancer on the ps4 controller
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>>380953039
How did he imagine this would work?
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>>380953039
I know right? Somebody needs to come up with an explanation.
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Some are mere wish fulfillment.
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>>380953356
This
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>>380953382
>Small amount of dust or detritus under disc
>Gets unsettled
>Game is scratched to pieces
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>>380953447
This is dog shit

Asymmetrical analog is needed for the joy cons due to multiplayer.
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we /architecture/ now
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>>380953039

Designers are supposed to be the halfway point between an artist and an engineer but in reality they are just all artist who happen to draw pictures of consumer devices. It's no wonder those retards are always clogging up crowd funding with their retarded pitches, in the world where people actually know what they are doing their ideas prompt only laughter and derision.
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>>380953628
Tell me you couldn't see some modern artsy building looking like this
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>>380953572
Jokes on you. Theres no device to spin the disc
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>Snake
What did he mean by this?
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>>380953753
Reaching usb ports is already a mess on most consoles. Also americans could never use this with their fat sausage fingers
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>>380953039
>Someone got paid, probably good money, to come up with a piece of shit like this
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>>380953914
>just plain stupid
>useless design choice blocking proper airflow
These are all made by indians right?
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>>380953914
>the PS5 has a fucking hologram

Why not just give it a flux capacitor while you are at it?
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>>380954013
nah this is just how kids express their """"""creativity"""""" nowadays

Well this and youtube channel intros
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>>380953276
this one is terrible
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What the fuck is this even?
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>>380954267
It's funny because when there was an NX concept like that people started freaking out because they thought it was real.
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>>380953914
>PSS
explain this to me
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>>380954792
that's a five fucktard
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>>380953447
>Scrollwheel shoulder buttons
for literally what purpose.
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>>380954792
Playstation Shita
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>>380955016
Really? I thought it was interesting at least.

Could help scroll through items without needing to pause combat
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>>380954201
Shit's always been like this.

I remember back in the early 2000's when the 360 was announced but was yet to be seen, almost all the concept art portrayed it as a ball with a small slot for a disc.
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>I want to be a designer!
>I'm going to ignore all production issues, usability restrictions and plain common sense and make some dumb shit that "looks cool"
Fucking hell what is wrong with these guys.
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>>380954267
Is this a WiiU 2?
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>>380953534
god pls
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>>380953534
At least that looks neat, like some alt history version of a gameboy advance. The other shit in this thread just looks dumb, >>380953276
aside from this, but it just looks like a typical GAYMURR pc

If you think new consoles are going to be anything but lightly colored or gray boxes from now on, you are silly. Even nintendo has bent the knee and made a gray, smooth tablet. The age of visually quirky console design is over, unless you count switches colored joycons.
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>>380953534
>16:9 Gameboy
Don't tell me this is a new handheld either because
>mono
>analog volume
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>>380953629
This. I've met a few retards who would get a job to design a coffee machine or something and design it as the most unintuitive and bothersome shit I've ever seen.
>But it's modern!
Not, its just bad.
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>>380953039
>xJEWJEWx
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>>380954008
I doubt he got paid. A lot of designers just pitch these sort of things in the hope of getting hired.
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>>380953628
>>380953753
it looks like a tax payer funded mosque in europe.
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>>380955016
Nintendo patented it back when they were making patents for the switch. So people thought it would be in it. Probably was just an idea and they tried it and they didn't like the results. Not that bad of an idea though, it could be really useful for menus.
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>>380953039
>Set down controller/Disc reader on table
>Dog or careless kid comes by and bumps it
>Scratches disc and possibly damages all internal parts
GENYUS
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>>380954267
A proper platform to watch movies :^)
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>>380953039
Forget the disc issues. Where do I even play this thing?
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>>380953039

>JJkilla420
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>>380956264
First there's no tax funded mosques in Europe
Also even mudslimes known modernist architecture is ugly
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>>380955016
back in the day, when you bought a pc pad, it had a little slider on it for throttle, since like the only reason to buy an analog input device for pc gaming is because you're going to be flying some fucking planes

throttles are a really nice input function, much better than pressure sensitive triggers since you could more accurately set and keep the precision
wheels would be a good, similar function
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>>380953039
Because all those mockups are made by graphic designers, not hardware designers.
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>>380960409
Goddammit Kevin, just stop.
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>>380960409
We need to stop him.
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>>380953356

>light bar is cancer
>not the share button
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>>380960636
The share button does not disrupt me in real fucking life when playing games. It's just a new button that makes screencaps easier.
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>>380953276
>those triggers
what in the fuck
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>>380960409

>sharpen the disk to have a razor edge
>you now have a deadly handsaw in video game form
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>>380953039
Because nobody wants to see a believable boring design from speculation, people want to see retarded concepts to talk about.

See, the artist who made that made something utterly retarded but it's working because it got you and others to talk about it, and that's everything for an artist.
Meanwhile making a plain box would get no attention.
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>Xbox One X 2
No.
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There was a time when you thought these were real.
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>>380960761
Looks like a water heater. At lest it will be more useful now
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>>380960409
>We need to focus the adult young male market, what do those guys like other than video games?
>...power tools?
>KEVIN YOU'RE BRILLIANT LET'S DO THAT
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>>380960882
>there was a time you thought bigfoot in GTA SA was real
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welcome to gamesphere
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>>380953039
maybe dont want computer-in-a-box like we've had for 30 years? the last 2 generations have been literally why not build a PC instead
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>>380960409
>Sir, do you have a permit to own that?
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>>380960698

>he actually likes the share button
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>>380961117
If that is what you got out of that sentence I feel sorry for your teacher.
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>>380960761
>Looks like a trash can
My almond activation sequences are firing up
right
now
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>>380960409
>a kids toy should expose the part that rotates up to 10,000 RPM rather than isolate and secure it

How fucking retarded can you be?
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>>380960995
A console IS just a cheap PC with a controller and TV output you fucking retard. That's the whole concept of a console you retard.
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What the fuck is wrong with kevin's head someone please tell me
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>>380960987
That's no moon
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>>380961239
The concept of console is being a cheap arcade
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>>380953039
Because graphic designers and artists aren't engineers or anyone with any sort of sense for ergonomy. Else, they wouldn't be fucking designers/artists in the first place!
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>>380953039
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>>380953039
>>380960995
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>>380953039
>>380960409

I just wonder why there are screens on the consoles themselves
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>>380961239
then why buy one? you can get some bargain pc and hook it up to a tv and plug in any controller instead and it does more without a second online subscription fee and if everyone did this there would be no "exclusives" people would just develop on computers for all computers
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>>380960987
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>>380961473
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>>380961474
Those are obviously handheld saws
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>>380961474

Because smart phones and tablets.
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>>380961340
Who would hire such tallentless hacks then?
These aren't even made by artists,just amateurs who have no Idea of what they want to do,it just has to look "cool" or "unique".
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>>380953039
>its a people with no tech knowledge design tech
big laffs
just as funny as the modular smartphone concept appearing and dying every now and then
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>>380961474
it grinds into your brain,permanently installing the game to your brain HDD
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>>380961220
i know that some IDE and SCSI HDDs spun platters at 10,000 and even 15,000 rpms but i didnt know CD/DVD/BluRay disc readers did....
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>>380961473
That retard omfg
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>>380960987
I like when they design these controllers they have absolutely no idea what Ergonomics are, or even what proper function is

>make everything touch screens it's the future
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>>380961634

They are hired because of the myth that engineers have no creativity whatsoever, you need "artists" for that.
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>>380953039
Reality is boring, vcr box #24601 doesnt really gets you the looks and talks
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>>380961642
>modular smartphone
That's nothing. Consider the fact that VR technology's been trying to find it's way into the market since 19-fucking-50s, fading into obscurity every single time. I laugh my ass off whenever someone hypes it up as the next cool thing as though they just learned about it's existence.
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>>380961760
>BRO JUST MAKE IT LOOK FUTURISTIC LMAO

I bet half these fucks went on to work at MadCatz.
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>>380961731

Optical media drives can go way faster than 10,000 RPM. I know a 48x speed CD drive was around 25,000 RPM. They had up to 72x speed CD drives but those things died really fast.

I think the current max for a bluray drive is around 10,000 RPM. The one in the PS4 only goes about 5,000 or 6,000 RPM but that's still really fast.
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>>380961760
>Touchscreens
No, but trackpads are
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>>380961760
>that controller
>*breaking in two intensifies*
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>>380961634
>>380961896
>Who would hire such tallentless hacks then?
Amazingly, almost everyone. Though, not even half of the hired artists/designers will ever work truly on their 'crafts.' They'll mostly be slaved as office-jockeys and cubicle-grunts, only letting them do just enough to validate their wasteful academic journey.

There's a reason why everything always undergo twenty-five thousand redesigns internally in any production box. The engineers get hard over sending shit back upstairs for the pen-goblins to pull their hair out about some more.
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>>380961220
https://youtu.be/AowJGns66_4
Don't put it past Sony
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>>380960987
At least that avoids nogaems because you can always use it as a football
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>>380962354
>built-in Rage Transducing Technologyâ„¢
>snap your controller in half for bonus in-game rewards!

Can't be worse than Hole Technology...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xu8t5XWYNM
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>>380953534
Shit i would by a re-release of the GBA, best vidya console to this day
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>>380954267
"games are now more cinematic than ever"
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>>380962376
>The engineers get hard over sending shit back upstairs for the pen-goblins to pull their hair out about some more.

If it's physically impossible to build then it's physically impossible to build. The engineers aren't having fun, they are being sensible.

This same shit also goes on with architects, they draw pictures of abominations made of glass with gardens suspended in mid air and then some poor engineer has to explain, very slowly, why glass does not make for a good structural base, the logistical nightmares and dangers involved in a floating garden and how people outside the building are probably not going to appreciate being roasted alive by focused sunlight.
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>>380960409
>turn on ps5
>it flies away
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>>380954883
>draw an S
>call it a 5
why does Japan do this?
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>>380962897
>how people outside the building are probably not going to appreciate being roasted alive by focused sunlight
That would be medieval as all hell. Fucking rad. The poor should fear the rich.
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>>380962897
I guess the sentiment isn't homogeneous throughout the fields and industries. I only talk from personal experience. The production crew I worked with had a blast speaking baby-talk at the design crew.
At the end of the day, it really was just graphic-designers and such getting buttblasted over everything. Everyone else had fun.

Maybe it was because all the big shots were still the original founders of the company and had experience at every level of production that the production crew could get away with 'shitting up the stairs' as we called it.
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Reality is a bitch
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>>380953356
>Playing vidya in dark room
>Accidentally tilt controller up five degrees
>Blinded by obnoxious blue light

I'm seriously considering taping the damn thing over since even dimming the damn bar doesn't make it any less obnoxious
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>>380963289
Why haven't you taped it already?
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>>380953039
>xJEWJEWx
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Here's your console bro
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>>380963365
Because I would have to go out and buy a roll of tape
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>>380962897
Reminds me of that Walkie Talkie building in London
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>>380963446
>Walkie Talkie building in London
It's amazing that searching this actually give me a picture of a walkie-talkie. Why is it so huge?
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>>380963289
>>380963415

Why haven't you opened up the damned controller and disconnected the LED from its power supply?
Are you dumb?
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>>380963446
That's the craziest shit I've ever seen.
>crowned Britain's worst building
>citizens call it "the Death Ray"
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>>380963990
>>380963446
>>380963512
>Also has a wind-conveyor effect that makes street-level gushes happen haphazardly.

People have been lifted off their feet out of nowhere on the south and north side of the building.
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>>380953039
That disc is going to spin at speeds that can cut up your hands.
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>>380963990
It doesn't help that it looks absolutely awkward
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>>380964178
The previous building on the site looked a lot better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20_Fenchurch_Street.JPG
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>>380964212
Joke's on them as a proud Xbot I already cut myself weekly :^)
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>>380964327
It look like shit.
And it's still better.
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>>380963446
>two hours each day if the sun shines directly onto the building, it acts as a concave mirror and focuses light onto the streets to the south.[18] Spot temperature readings at street-level including up to 91 °C (196 °F)[19] and 117 °C (243 °F) were observed[20] during summer 2013
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>>380953039
shit like this is why no one takes xbox seriously.
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>>380960592
rad
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>>380965020
>female dogs and garden tools
I chuckled
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>>380965020
>bunch of female dogs
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>>380965020
>bunch of female dogs and garden tools
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>>380961731
>>380961220

15 000 rpms with no torque, you can stop the disc with your retina and you wouldn't get a scratch.

Also all these concepts are made by people who know or are learning CAD software, which is a nice skill to have and you're being retarded for thinking they should be realistic with their designs.
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>>380964212
edgy
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>>380965562
You've never done it, then.
Stopping it at the edge can give you a good burn. Doesn't matter how much 'torque' there is. Inertia is still a thing.
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>>380965616
>try to use the headphone jack
>cuts your finger off
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WWWHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>380965616
I was trying to figure out what the point of this would've been: as a portable, it looks like hell to carry around, but as something just for the home there's no reason for it to be so small. Turns out it was made for Mini-CDs and just had the ability to play full CDs also.
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>>380965562
"A man who puts no effort into learning will always be a poor master of his craft."
-Some cunt.
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>>380953447
looks retarded, nintendo would never release something like this
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>>380953039
This is by far and a way the most retarded thing I've ever seen.
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>>380965951

You must be made of paper.

>>380966196

What learning are you talking about, ergonomics, functionality of things, or CAD software?
Because the CAD skills look good to me.
Some of this shit looks real even if they are bad ideas.
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>>380960409
>want to show off a game to a friend
>HUMILIATION.ogg starts playing
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>>380960761
>in association with PS4Playstation4.com
>a fucking trash can
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>>380965562
CAD?
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>>380960758
And I thought Sony made worst possible triggers in ps4 controller.
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>>380960758
>>380967110
Triggerlets, when will they learn?
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>>380960761
repurposed mac pro
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>>380966934

its literally a tool to draw lines
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>>380959324
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>>380955016
It wouldn't be so bad if they were track buttons
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why are people obsessed with putting neon lights on their console ideas
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[glasses you]
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>>380968506
>all that TOTALLY NECESSARY glass on the console
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>>380966176
Use it as self-defence.
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Here's your controller, bro
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>>380965616
shit like this looks like a Kamen Rider transformation device
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>>380968801
remember me
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>>380968506
i dont care what anyone says that looks cool as fuck
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>>380968801
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>>380968801
>>380968870
I want it
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>>380953039
A guy was proud enough of this piece of shit to permanently slap his real name on it.

>xbox2gamers
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>>380968801
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>>380953356
don't forget the shit battery life
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>>380968870
Thumbnail looks like some horrifying disembodied monster head staring into your soul.
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>>380963990
>>380964965
Fucking Death Ray.
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>>380963446
>>380963990
>>380964965
>Spot temperature readings at street-level including up to 91 °C (196 °F) and 117 °C (243 °F) were observed during summer 2013, when the reflection of a beam of light up to six times brighter than direct sunlight shining onto the streets beneath damaged parked vehicles, including one on Eastcheap whose owner was paid £946 by the developers for repairs to melted bodywork
>Temperatures in direct line with the reflection became so intense that a reporter for the newspaper City A.M. was able to fry an egg in a pan set out on the ground
>The reflection also burned or scorched the doormat of a shop in the affected area
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You know what the future of video games really is? Putting the console INTO the controller. Not like a handheld, a full PC in a controller with 4K screen.
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>>380960761
>looks like an even trashier Mac Pro
>generic fonts
>gamepad face buttons lifted from thrid party controllers that can't use the original symbols
>slapping your name on it as if it has anything of value to be proud of
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>>380969231
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>>380961117
>>380960636
Yeah, no shit. I like taking screenshots. You know, like on a PC.
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>>380961760
>d-pad functionally identical to the left stick
Still an improvement from 360's d-pad :^)
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>>380968870
>>380968995
There's a new one.
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>>380969231
>>380964965
>>380964637
>>380963990
How the fuck did they get a construction permit and why does it still stand?
But I guess no one gives a shit seeing how that one building that just burned was breaking all the rules as well
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>>380953039
what the fuck
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>>380960636
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>>380967110
the DS4 triggers are actually worse than the DS3 triggers?
I haven't touched a DS4 so I wouldn't know.
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>>380963446
>Walkie Talkie building in London
>>>>>>>>>>modern architecture
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>>380969558
>How the fuck did they get a construction permit
They didn't plan so good
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>>380964965
>>380969231
>the architect blamed global warming for the heat
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>>380969558
Apparently the reason why it was approved had to do with how it was advertised as a skyscraper with a fancy garden at the top.

However, that garden ended up being very lacking.
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>>380969767
>map and radar need separate screens
Yep, that's BS
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>>380963446
>Look it up
>It's effectively a giant fucking magnifying glass
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>>380969667
>>380967110
Are you fucking asinine? DS4's triggers are way better than on DS3, in travel distance, feedback and ergonomics.
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>>380969942
>simpsons did it
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>>380969840
I miss all of the dumb old concepts from 2004-05
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>>380963239
>Xbox Devkit
>That one redditer who managed to get one and converted it to a shitty pc gutting the original system without uploading all its original data

Gets me mad every time. We were so close to Xbox emulation
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>>380961760
>ay you know dat innanet box unda yo tv my nigga?
>yeah?
>les make the new playstatin look like dat shit
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>>380953534
can't imagine a less comfortable design
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>>380970056
That's almost an actual controller though.
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>>380970103
No fucking way
Give me a source so that I can get more mad
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Here, bro, you can use this controller.
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>>380968506
This is actually pretty great
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>>380960409
Out.
Fucking now.
You've done enough OP.
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>>380970525
In what fucking way is it great?
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>>380969767
>radar and map
>zoom view
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It doesn't sound like it.
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>>380969767
>all those screens
>for a portable out of all things
>separate screen just for health which would be useless for things like racing games, puzzle games, animal crossing, etc.
>separate screen just for system power which ironically would draw more power than just having a led like current systems do

Not to mention the hell it would be to fold all that and how easy it would be to break one of those.
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Because consoles didn't used to be black fucking VCR boxes.
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>>380953039
>remember being hyped for the xbox 720
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>>380967752
>cheesah beecha wonky chewbacca
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>>380971074
more like 420
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>>380963218
Such a building actually exists
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Consoles are going to be dead by then.
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>>380953447
>The only goal is to create a design that focuses on ergonomics and a robust set.

Neither of which he has done. I doubt he even knows what ergonomics is.
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>>380970915
>not knowing what a joke is
You might have autism.
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>>380953039
most 3d artists arent industrial designers and have no fucking sense for aesthetically pleasing design / functional shapes and forms
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>>380970381
There's no need to get mad because countless other Xbox dev kits have been found and Xbox emulation is still where it currently is.
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>>380969653
I wasn't aware the Prt Scr button froze Windows for 5 minutes and opened up a Twitch streaming overlay.
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>>380970303
>>380970056
I had a controller like this for ps1 growing up. My dad bought it because he thought it would be good for racing games.
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>>380961473
Fucking god damn christ this piece of shit
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>>380961538
holy shit
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>>380971074
remember when vr was a fad
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>>380971614
>D-pad and four buttons on the console
Gets me every time.
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>>380963412
That dock is literally better than the one we got and wouldn't risk scratching the screen.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>380971754
>dock
what are you on about theres no dock in that picture
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>>380953617
or you just turn the controller around...
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>>380971754
That's not a dock you tard, It's the back of the dev kit
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>>380969558
London zoning requires the preservation of historic sightlines between certain sites. The biulding's concavity is designed to literally dodge that sightline, otherwise they couldnt have had a skyscraper there.
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>>380961117
O
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>>380971372
The others were dev kits though, this one was used to develop the software on the dev kits
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>>380970002
ideas can be asinine, people cannot be asinine. learn english plz
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>>380971505

I wasn't aware that it was a herculean effort to go into the options and change what happens when you press it.
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designers need work
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>>380971074

Is that a cybernetic eye or some sorta green lantern anal bead?
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>>380972113
>this one was used to develop the software on the dev kits
Isn't that the fucking definition of a devkit?
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>>380971841
>>380971910
Don't you f*cking dare reply to my posts again.
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>>380971505
Genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, the share button has never caused any issues like that at all for me, other than the tiny handful of times I accidentally opened the share menu instead of screenshotting.
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>>380953039
what in the fuck
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>>380972476
>not setting it to Easy Screenshots mode
I really don't understand why that isn't the default though.
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>>380963412
This leaked before the switch was announced
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>>380972008
Well that's whole 'nother level of retardation
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>>380955016
It actually sounds like a brilliant idea. My biggest issue would be can you click down on it without risking moving the circle though
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>>380970303
>>380970056
what's with the split
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>>380955016
i wouldn't mind it for botw gear selection desu
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>>380953039
Because people who wanna become a designer tend to put form over function.
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>>380962609
>Shit I would buy a re-release of the GBA
No you wouldn't
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>>380973317
So basically, the guy who made OP's pic is an "ideas guy" with a copy of Photoshop.
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>>380971074
>inside is nothing but capacitors
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>>380973819
Because nothing can handle it's capacity.
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>>380971237
So many people bought PS2s back in the day as DVD players.
Same with PS3s.
Wii just hit a super popular niche with its whole sports and exercise gimmick.

Typically in the past most households didn't own computers, now multiple are commonplace, and many are mandatory for schooling in first world countries.

Consoles just have to have the right features to capture a PC audience.

Which is one of the reasons for the Switch's success.

People with both a pc and other home consoles can still be marketed towards due to its nature as a portable console with home functionality.

I don't think anyone seriously needs to worry about consoles "dying".

As a PC VR user I can say with certainty that the hardware required to run high end VR games is expensive, and the actual interface is fucking annoying to set-up,

So while some consoles may be seeing a decline (probably related to the ridiculous cost associated with modern consoles and games comparative to previous systems and software)
In the next decade, dedicated VR home consoles are going to be a cost efficient and simpler alternative to a PC VR setup if this rebith of Virtual reality does take full swing (fingers crossed)

I fucking hope these "pro" edition console die off though.
Its about games not hardware, and making it an arms race for expensive tech is fucking daft when you consider how technically impressive the final 7th gen games were on their respective systems.

Sony and Microsoft literally pouring millions into NOT EVEN next-gen consoles for a pissing contest, when that could have gone into a several dozen studios design budgets to make masterpieces for their lackluster libraries.
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>>380973819
Do you think they still fuck and roleplay the rape incident?
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>>380974579
>Typically in the past most households didn't own computers, now multiple are commonplace
laptops
>Consoles just have to have the right features to capture a PC audience
laptop audience
normies have macbooks and dells and shit. they do not have desktop PCs.
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I remember even magazines were confused as fuck by Nintendo DS leaks and news.
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>>380974715

Only for course material
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I want to kill all autists. Especially Kevin.
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>>380973819
>jrpg villain joins the team to defeat the bigger bad.jpg
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>>380963375
Is that a fucking VCR Genesis? Fuck you, thats amazing
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>>380961634
>It just has to look cool or unique
Exactly. Designers make some crazy shit, it goes through a redesign where the impractical shit is pulled out, rinse and repeat until final product is released. The arts just a starting point for a design idea very early in the process, why does everyone foam at the mouth about this shit?
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>>380956264
And then they wonder why next gen system attract cockroaches
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>>380965562
Your an idiot
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>>380975245
Yep.
>>
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>>380975842
Where does game go
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>>380961473
Don't remind me
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>>380953039
It's just kids playing with 3DSM, they don't know how things work or have any engineering education. Let them have their fun.
If you're upset by silly designs like this, it's probably because you're a mouthbreather who thought they were real.
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>>380975842
>bought for $20k
>gutted and replaced parts with a low-tier "gaming" PC
>formatted HDD because he thought it was unreadable
rip
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>>380971230
That the one that is curved with reflective windows and melted that dudes car?
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>>380972420
It was a devkit devkit
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>>380954267
>press QB to Madden
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>>380976213

Used to develop dev kits?
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>>380961473
DELET
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>>380970103
Development kits offer very little in terms of information that can be used for emulation. We have everything we need; the hardware.
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Just give me a plain black brick.
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>2017
>not having hole technology
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>>380975132
>"sega CD" on the lid
>herrrhggh iz tha sum VCR neeeerhgh
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>>380976376
What do you use to develop devkit devkits then? We need to get to the bottom of this.
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>>380976686

Development Devkit for Devkit Develoeprs
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>>380963446
My sides are gone
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>>380976615
Where does it say that, is that whats written on the flap? Cant make it out.
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>>380969720
That sign is very clearly intentional, stupid.
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>>380976609
Yer late, m8
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>>380976954

And he was a making a joke.

/v/ is so boring with it's completely overly exaggerated responses. I know they do it to mock tumblr but man, seeing it all the time is boring as fuck now. It literally destroys any desire to hold conversations on /v/. Reminds me of that guy in the group of friends who does nothing but insult people and everything he says is an attempt at a shitty one-liner to try to make everyone else laugh
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>>380971614
Ah, yes. The nintendo bike helmet.
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>>380960758
>>380953276
I like the long triggers.
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>>380975132
They used the VCR to record gameplay to review glitches and such. As far as I know it had no 'feed' ability.
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>>380975842
There was one of these hidden in Ninja Gaiden.
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>>380960409
Now my PS5 can detect ghosts, awesome!
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>>380953382
the device is shaped as an infinity symbol which means it only needs enough power to run the game for a second, and the power runs through the design in a loop allowing for perfect energy conversation
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>>380975842
looks like a sign from a 00's dodgy nightclub in which you could buy 20% purity coke and snort it from a grimy toilet seat
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>>380955016
scrolling through menus, change weapons, cycle players in sports games, change up or down gears in driving games, change grenade types, zoom in or out, reduce or increase grenade throw distance, I'm sure there's loads of other applications I haven't thought of yet.

Would have been cool. You could have also made them flick switches so it's a button that you can push left, right or in.
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>>380953914
playstation cinematic action figure nfc reader
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>>380960409
wouldn't be the first time sony made something where the CD sticks out of the device
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>>380960987
This one is kinda neat but it's still terrible. The bar is that low.
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>>380976826
>london
>sun
so there shouldnt be any problem right?
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>>380977587
>Reddit spacing
What?
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>>380975132

That's a dev console.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH94fKtGr0M
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>>380977587
Holy shit you're retarded.
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>>380969767
>NINTENDO BS
>THE NINTENDO BULLSHIT
sounds about right
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>>380973051
it's a girl
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>>380978431
Anon i think you are the one who needs to lurk more. Reddit spacing is every line, he used common spacing for paragraphs, something taught in elementary school.
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>>380977913
Thats a bad idea. Or a great one if you need a makeshift weapon.
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>>380978064
On reddit you need to hit enter twice to actually get Enter to work. Reddit refugees are always easy to recognise because they leave very long replies without realising how this palce works.
Also a lot of people here speculate that it's a form of baiting for (You)s by acting retarded.

>>380978431
>lurk 4chan moar to learn about reddit

>>380978747
>t.Reddit
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>>380979079
>knowing this much about Reddit
Redditor detected
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>>380979165
>what's raiding
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>>380979308
something mongoloids do
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>>380979308
>I only use Reddit ironically!!!

You have to go back.
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>>380972032
MY
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>>380970056
FANG
JOKER
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>>380979498
fair enough

>>380979559
What are you on about? That's absolutely a thing.
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>>380979079
>not liking spaces between your paragraphs
pleb tier
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>>380953447
>artsyomni
I'm still mad
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>>380979079
>On reddit you need to hit enter twice to actually get Enter to work.

Wait, so do you have to hit enter three times to get a paragraph space? Or is that what you mean about getting "enter to work?"

I don't browse Reddit or even have an account there, but I do remember when 4chan used to use a lot more spaces. I would guess that people who are afraid of empty lines are people who left Reddit after it became too popular for them and don't want anything to remind them of it, or lead others to think they came from there.
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>>380979079
Anon, please. What you posted as an example and the original are completely diffrent and you know it.

Its basic structure for sentences. Everyone types like that everywhere on the internet and off.
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>>380963446
>someone legitimately thought this building was a good idea
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>>380953628
Kevin strikes again
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>>380980813
I never thought a building can look punchable but this is definitely the case. This thing just doesn't belong. What an ugly fucker.
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>>380963446
>>380980813
Legitimately looks like a cartoony building in real life
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>>380976213
Also known as a PC
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>>380968506
That controller looks pretty nice
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>>380980813
Looks like an computer case for a low to mid range 2000's PC
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>>380975695
That picture has assured me that concept artists are just 10 years ahead, as that thing at the top looks like something Nissan or Peugeot would make unironically
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>>380955363
It's SPHRERICAL
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>>380953382
He didn't, because it's clear he's a child or just too retarded to understand how things work.
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>>380980813

>that shit is on their skyline

I'd avoid working 10 miles from that place if I could
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>>380975695
only reason we don't get more cars like the top image is safety crash standards.

it is litterally why damn near all cars look the same since style is a liability.

just look at the differences cars had back in the 1950s and 1960s. sure some cars looked the same but not like today.

of course this was a time when when got into a wreck you didn't get an airbag and instead hit your head on a METAL FUCKING DASH.
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>>380965274
>>380965459
>>380965507
For those wondering, he means "bitches and hoes"
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>>380970056
>>380970303
Rerez has a ton of videos on odd controllers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbnfj2V1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSKfzTXL2Zw

I still really want to try a Horipad 64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDBBCPePOg4
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>>380981270
Can't unsee
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>>380982067
That guy.
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>>380960409
>illegal in Britain
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>>380975842
damn, that's like twice the size of the xboxhueg we got.
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>>380960978
>there was a time you thought reality was real
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>>380982067

No shit.
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>>380981983
I always thought it had to do more with aerodynamics for fuel economy hence why you get all these gross rounded corners instead of sharp edges and dips
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>>380961473
dont fucking remind me of this, holy shit.
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Dont forget London's other building, your moms dildo.
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>>380969767
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>>380982363

Shut up, you goddamn solipsist
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>>380965020
>xJEWJEWx
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>>380982390
that is part of it as well, if i recall they are required to have at least so high MPG to be allowed to sell the vehicle.

usually they smash the goal because it makes the car more appealing as a daily driver.

thats why only "sports cars" and "muscle cars" seem to have any style. they know the car will still sell
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>>380982491
>Most European cities try to make sure new buildings match the skyline/look and feel or the city
>London, "Just fuck my skyline up"
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>>380967752
Wtf that looks amazing. Why wouldn't you want to have more space buildings like this?
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>>380982491
That ring on top really gives it a romantic feel
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>>380982817

post-modernism was a mistake
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>>380975842
I wonder if they changed the design because they knew guys will try to use that hole for another purpose.
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>>380982491
still looks less retarded than the Eiffel Tower
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>>380982942

Sure.
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>>380960409
Fuck all you guys, i'm totally down for a P.E.T that plays games.
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>>380971614
The Nintendo NX BMX
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>>380982491
>that thing on the top
remember, always wear protection
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>>380980813
I like it but it doesn't look structurally sound. I'm no engineer but I can tell it's not a train.
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>>380965020
>xJEWJEWx
fuck, my sides
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villain hideout
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>>380961009
made me kek
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>>380961474
It's just the classic handheld fantasy
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find me a bad building by her company
they're all perfect
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>>380983415
would make for a 10/10 final level. Imagine fighting through that park on your way to it.
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>>380971850
The Joycons have buttons on one side. Turing it around would make those inaccessible.

I would prefer a set of Joycon with the Wii U layout, though. The Wii U gamepad feels a lot better to use than the Switch in handheld mode.
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>>380983789
Her proposed Cardiff Bay Opera house looked fucking stupid.

That said, the Wales Millennium Centre is hardly much better.
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>>380953534
that looks comfy
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>>380982817
You want fucked up just come to Melbourne broh
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>>380984626
at least it's colorful
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>>380953146
fbpb
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>>380975695
they kinda are making cars like top now though
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>>380984626
Somehow those don't annoy me half as much. Living in a city of lego blocks doesn't sound so bad.
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>>380980813
>Toby I told you not implement your weird ass inflation fetishes into your designs
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>>380984436
Yeah, there's a good reason it was never built
I have to imagine that it would have been changed if it was actually built though, that just seems a shade too impractical
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>>380960758
It could be better than you think, and easier to fix/replace
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>>380977243
Team Ninja had a weird obsession with them. You could buy them as a present for the other girls on DOAX1.
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>>380953572
I'm really glad this raccoon got a job
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>>380983789
her work was part of a money laundering scheme as are all "artistically inclined" architecture
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>>380984870
Kill yourself you fucking retard
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>>380973051
You could twist it instead of pressing left or right. It was meant for driving games if I remember.

Same with this thing.
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>>380960636
>People worried about a light that doesn't do anything
>There's a dedicated face button for "share" and there is no built in way to actually share these clips with your friends, forcing you to upload with a third party system to share
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>>380984626

Living in Miami is suffering wit hall these shit ugly ass buildings popping up all over brickell and downtown
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>>380961473
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>>380980813
Isn't this the building that reflects sunlight onto the street in front of it and melts parked cars?
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>>380985661
Isn't this the post that's made by a retard who can't read the thread?
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>>380985626
There better be a fighting game stage on top of it. Why do we keep getting buildings that look like they could house a final boss or two? Will we start unironically building space saucers next?
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>>380977493
It can detect PS4 games? cool
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>>380982372
Heh, the fishes have been fed >>380982450
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>>380983789
Easy.

>beautiful building from 1922
>put a glass shard on top of it
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>>380981170
considering we also have a huge dildo building its not the goofiest thing around.
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>>380985249
364thpwp
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>>380969231
that wasnt only problem
>The gusts of wind at the base of the building are so powerful that they are blowing people over and toppling signs off the nearby buildings.
>It's called the down-draught effect. When the wind hits a tall building, it has nowhere else to go and so it is pushed up, down and around the sides. But the air that is pushed downwards creates a sort of wind tunnel at the base of the building. The result: increased wind speed down the street below.
lmao
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>>380986192
but anon it's literally a boat made of glass
what's not to like
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>>380986192
>HD Remakes
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>>380982491
Literally a Marker Test Lab from Dead Space
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>>380971372
Those were regular devkits for making games, this was an alpha devkit used for making the OGXBs OS. Only 50 were ever made, and most were lost in a flood.
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>>380963412
are those antennas plugs? nice.
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>>380972823
>My biggest issue would be can you click down on it without risking moving the circle though
I mean, scroll button on a mouse works. Why not?
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>>380986192
Holy fuck that thing is a travesty.
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>>380960409

why do these stupid mockups always look like kamen rider belts more than they do video game consoles
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>>380953039
this shitty PS knockoff brand just needs to fuck off.
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>>380986549
Gee, I don't know, maybe the fact that you could've put that thing over the water?
Or on its own?
The 1922 building had an interior square, this Hadisaster has 2 mooring pins smack in the middle of the interior atrium. It just ruined the building. It's like it has a tumor now.

pic related
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>>380986192
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>>380987174
would've been useful if I had attached a pic
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>>380986926
that one looks more like a Sentai device.
>"Slide-in"
>"Henshin"
>BRIGHT COLORS
>"Protecting music everywhere"
>crappy pose
>"CompaDisgers"
>multi-color dust explosion
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>>380969767
>>380982563
This is a Razer prototype, showed at some tech show a while back. It works.
It was stolen at said tech show, and afaik they never got it back.
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>>380987305
our you're fucking autistic?!
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>>380987271
oh god what the fuck
I didn't think it had fucked up the roof area that much jesus
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>>380963446
>>380980813

>tfw you will never visit london during the right time of the year and kill yourself by standing under the death ray
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>>380960409
He does it again!
>>
>Xbox
>Xbox 360
>Xbox One
>xXBOX_ONEXx
>Xbox ???
Who comes up with these stupid fucking names
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>>380953753
That thing got so hot it started melting.
>>
I actually kinda like the one in the OP
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>>380987679
>one xbox one x box, please
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>>380953039

>Chillin on the couch with my handheld XxXboX2XxX
>Fall asleep, arms lower
>New high power exposed-disc disc drive, 600x faster than sony's pathetic disc drive still on

Instant castration machine, I love it
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>>380961239
No. You are retarded.
>>380961339
This is correct.
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>>380980813
Looks like a PC case
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>>380976213
So it's a PC?
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>>380971510
Well yeah, it was pretty good for racing games. For starters, it had analog acceleration/brake buttons.
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>>380971505
I wasn't aware that you're a retarded dumbfuck too impaired to realise what a button does, much less to set it up the way you want to. In quick mode, you press a button, you instantly get a screenshot with no overlays, slowdowns or anything else.
>>
Oh shit are we posting shitty architecture
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>>380972194
English is not my first langue, so that's actually helpful. Thanks, anon.
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>>380985626
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>>380980328
[line+enter+line] looks like "line line". When you hit enter twice you get a line between your paragraphs.

t.redditor
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>>380973051
You could twist it around for analog control. It went full 180 which on one hand was weird as hell, but on another hand pretty precise.
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>>380987305

nah man it straight up looks like a zecter
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>>380988290
What the fuck
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>>380988290
oh god wat
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>>380988290
Benis :D
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>>380988015
>John McNeece: “There is a problem trying to figure out what people want by canvassing them. I mean, if Henry Ford canvassed people on whether or not he should build a motor car, they’d probably tell him what they really wanted was a faster horse."
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>>380983095
What's wrong with the Eiffel Tower?
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>>380987893
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>>380988290
>>380988572
>>380988554
It's to be the longest building in the world
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>>380953146
>5
the wordplay, exquisite..
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>>380970103
>Xbox emulation

you already have. all you need is to buy an xbox one x :)
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>>380988015
this is funny because back then NES controller was considered underwhelming and that vibration and a non-joystick "stick controller" are pointless
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>>380988290

I really fucking hate how people put aesthetics in a vacuum over aesthetics on the whole.

i'm no architect or anything but that building is just fucking stupid. I'd rather have another boring grey box than something that's trying way too fucking hard to stand out. Just becomes an eyesore.
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>>380975695
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>>380988649
I mean that's basically what a modern engine does. There's a reason engines are measured in "horsepower"
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>>380988832
>vibration and a non-joystick "stick controller" are pointless
nobody ever thought the analog stick was pointless for 3D console games.
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>>380955363
How autistic do you have to be to think that the next xB O X is going to be round?
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>>380953039
Because the speculation runs wild. It was the same thing with the NX. Shit looked like a shitty Wii with a D pad and face buttons on it.
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>>380988739
>The Big Bend is just an idea - for now.
thank god
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>>380988832
And 10 years later after they were introduced to mainstream consoles motion and touch controls are still underwhelming and mostly pointless.
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>>380989283
That sounds more like a threat than anything
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>>380960761
WHY ARE THE BUTTONS AND THE DPAD SWITCHED, WHY?
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>>380987515
Would probably do the job of listing this building up for demolition too. You'd be a hero, anon.
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>>380988649
Don't know what point you're trying to make with that quote but a console that tries to ape PCs just ends up being a shitty PC. Games should always come first and foremost, watching movies and listening to music is fine and all but anything more than that and you've lost the plot.
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>>380989306
>touch
that's literally the largest thing right now though, we may hate mobile gaming but it is used frequently

>motion
VR is nearing this, dunno how this will go though
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>>380953039
Indians
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>>380989147
you weren't around when people are saying it's not like an arcade or joy stick were you?
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>>380980813
>R2D2 building being embarazed in the left
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>>380989396
I am a redditor you mong. Reddit has its uses, but every large subreddit, without exception, is pure cancer. The moderation is cancer, the comments are cancer, the hivemind is cancer. The same goes for most subs about specific games. I have had more actual vidya discussion, far better game recommendations, and read more interesting opinions in the four months I've been here than the five years I've been on reddit. This place is fucking great.
>this place is just for shitposting
Unironically kill yourself.
>>
>>380988015
an arcade is just a computer (PC) in a big box you retard
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>>380990676
get a load of this guy
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>>380980813
>someone got PAID for designing this
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>>380961351
Underrated.
>>
>>380990676
Kindly stop breathing my man
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>>380989903
Redditors are the most pathetic group of scum on the planet, literally inferior examples of human beings.
You can't survive outside of your hugbox, you can't express an opinion without tailoring it to be as inoffensive as possible, pandering for likes and upvotes and e-peen is more important than the actual conversation because you have to cultivate your sad little persona.
You have Nazi mods banning anyone who steps out of line and policing every sub like the fucking Stasi, groupthink is rampant and any comment that people don't like is buried under downvotes so nobody can ever see it and only the most tame and pandering content rises to the top like scum floating on a pond.
Your cradle of filth has been involved in more corruption and censorship scandals than most politicians, the community of worthless sheeple gleefully self-censors and informs on thought criminals like lobotomized zombies from some dystopian novel, a bunch of self-fellating pseudo-intellectuals who can only aggregate content because they're creatively and intellectually bankrupt.
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>>380990768
I can't help it, I love this place
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>>380990981
Video games.
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>>380990929
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>>380983873
>>380983415

FINAL BOSS

DISASTER LEVEL: DEMON
"UNFATOMABLY SHITTY BUILDING, TOOTHPICK OF GOD"
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>>380953447
>Either side cannot function as a standalone controller when held horizontally (trust me, I tried to make it work)
O I am laffin.
>>
>>380983789
For all the people reading this, her buildings are traditionally shit. She designed a building for a private fire brigade that can't be used because everybody spending more than 30 minutes in it has to throw up.
>>
>>380965562
t. Kevin
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>>380988290
NOW WE ONLY NEED 1 PLANE TO TAKE DOWN TWO BUILDINGS
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>>380991382
How the fuck do you make a building that makes people throw up?
>>
>>380960995
>why not build a pc
>hackers
>dead playerbase aside from 2 shitty games
>sit at a desk
>ugly as fuck
>expensive
>shitty ports
>neckbeards
>constantly download drivers
>>
>>380991714
irregular floor, weirdly angled walls, weird lighting.
>>
>>380962609
I would only buy that if it had 8gb of memory and all gba games ever launched, no 30 games bs. But we all know that's not feasible.

PSP is almost a perfect replacement,
>>
>>380986192
((Postmodernism))
>>
>>380991951
bullshit
>>
>>380976083
Wrong device dipshit.
The shit you're thinking about was the Original XBox official DEV KIT, not the prototype you see in the picture here.
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>tfw nintendo will never release this and instead make shitty meme gimmick systems
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>>380960978
>there was a time you thought there was a ghost on Lockout in Halo 2
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>>380991951
Tbh if you're this retarded just stick to consoles.
>>
>>380992575
fuck off underageb&
>>
>>380992360
just get a decent laptop fag, gamecube/wii/wii u emulation is good
>>
>>380986654
Nintendo uses those antenna-like plugs for all their accessories on the devkits.

I'm working using Wii/Wii U so I know.
>>
>>380975912
the games are ball shaped and go in the hole in the front
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>>380960592
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don't forget this classic
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>>380953039

>XJewJewX

Sneaky.
>>
>>380992360
>it's always a gamecubefag

cancerous nintendo era
>>
>>380983415
>ma-ma clan.jpg
>>
>>380961117
What's to dislike about the share button, Master chief?
>>
>>380953447
Jesus how much of NX did we know exactly when the dude made this because this is almost fucking spot on. (Except the whole side controller, split dpad and share button lol)

But damn. What a close mock up
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>>380960409
Who stole Rinoa's weapon?
>>
>>380969767

> comming

Really now..
>>
>>380963415
>he doesn't have tape
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>>380994762
Tbh my issue is that i use my ds4 mostly as a pc gamepad, and share is bound to select/back there.

So when i go play bloodborne again i end up opening the share menu on accident.

Also theres the increased involvement of social media in fucking everything, and i cant stand social media.
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>>380960761
>that curved controller
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>>380979771
RUBBER
>>
>>380981983
>only reason we don't get more cars like the top image is safety crash standards.
That's what the new Honda NSX looks like though
>>
>>380960761
I love the erojuicer.
>>
>>380996484

Standards ruin so much cool shit desu
>>
>>380963239
PS2 is the only one that still resembles a console.
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>>380984626
Just move to Brazil nigga
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>>380995273
>opening the share menu
https://www.howtogeek.com/291871/how-to-take-faster-screenshots-on-the-playstation-4/
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>>380960409
At least that would be a pretty neat pizza cutter.
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>>380996484
But advances in materials used in car production have allowed for more cool shit now.

A lot of the concept art for cars like this came from before the materials were readily available and cheap enough to produce them at a reasonable price.
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>>380960409
>PS2 was about 3D
>PS3 was about HD
>PS4 was about being an all in one entertainment platform
>PS5 will be about personal defense

I can't wait to use one of my great PS5 Exclusives(tm) to behead a housebreaker.
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>>380984970
Zaha still remained really salty up to her death over Cardiff Bay Opera house.

The Millennium Centre is pretty shit, too.

In addition to being a complete nightmare to navigate, the heat from the building gets channeled into the staff offices.
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>>380992360
that's what a switch is senpai, just with the current console
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>>380985974
>it's a top a city building at night stage in a fighting game
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>>380960592
Croissant?
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>>380988730
>"jimmy how many more xbox one x boxes do we got left? these gotta ship tomorrow"
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>>380953039
>losing fighting game grabs disc
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>>380966793
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>>380953753
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>>380960409
expanded concept
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>>380988554
>>380988572
>>380988901
Am I the only one who loves the idea?
I mean it doesn't look bad
It's such a unique idea
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>>380980813
>design bulding cause I have a meeting tomorrow
>I accidently press the Turbosmooth hotkey without even notice
>meeting
>open the file and.. OH SHIT, im done for
>"anon... WE LOVE IT"
>profit
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>>380953039
>>380960409
>>380953753
>>380953628
>Kevin put his Westwood College degree to use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWvfMLl4ho
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>>381001295
kek's at the file name
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>>380982067
>"bitches and hoes"
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?!
>>
>>380985974
>Will we start unironically building space saucers next?

Anon, I...
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>>380988290

Is that a ride from Six Flags?
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>>381001295
>Not only a crossbow
>But also the Abstergo logo
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