Saturday night RTS support group

>rts
>alive

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>be me, watching PCGame show this week
>been stupidly uninteresting so far, worst E3 yet
>some Joe Blow from Microsoft Studios is talking
>"so I'm put in charge of a super secret project"
>orly.jpeg
>"to tell you about it.. my experience is in the old command and conquer and strategy games, as well as the recent Halo Wars 2"
>might be good...
>"We are now unveiling this new game for the first time in the world"
>me: just get on with it...
>"drum roll please!!!"
>me: this guy is so full of himself, it better be good
>"We are announcing Age of Empires!!!"
>me: No way, it can't be!!!
>"4"
>O shit! Best E3 Ever!!!
>"K"
>wut....
>it's a fucking HD remake after AoE2 was already remade

Anyone know which office I have to burn down?

>>380939898
The remaster meme is seriously getting out of hand, it's tiring when you realize noone wants to even fucking try.

Anyways i've been playing seven kingdoms 2, it's, really unique.

>>380939342
it's as alive as this thread fampai

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>http://steamcharts.com/cmp/572410,251060#1m

explain

>>380939898
Didn't they say they'll announce something really big at Gamescon?

You think we'll get AoE4

real talk, if you ignore the fact that it destroyed a series and just judged it on its gameplay merits only, is C&C4 worth like $10 at least?

>>380942193
no

Can someone explain why pikmin isnt an rts?

>>380938925

Act of Aggression was fun but people only played 3v3 on one map, ruined the whole fucking thing. Bridge/chokepoint maps were a mistake

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>>380942410
>mfw looking at CoH1 games and half of them are the Shitldt vs AI

>>380939898
time to remaster the remaster editions.

In all seriousness though, if they wanna remake a game instead of remaster, that could work out well, as long as they don't go "creative" and fuck it all to hell (hey guys, let's remake a DOOM game into an RTS! levels of retarded).

Impossible Creatures could be a good one, or maybe an even more in-depth Original War

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Is nobody else hyped for Total War: Warhammer??

'bout to play Earth 2150, which faction should I pick?

I'm leaning LC because mobility

Empire Earth remaster when

RTS with good campaigns? I love homeworld series, but I've never really expanded much into the genre.

>>380944731
KKND and Tiberian Sun

>>380945028
I never played any C&C games before, should I just start from the beginning or its not a big deal to only play the good ones?

>>380939898
That moment really killed me. Fuck that hurt.

Is syrian warfare any good?
Anyone getting sudden strike 4?

>>380943932
Extremely, tho it's not RTS.

>>380945587
just start off with TibSun and the Firestorm expansion

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>>380944731
World in Conflict - I've never cared about characters from an RTS so much

>>380942873
>Original War with additional autism
YES
>>380944143
ED: MANLY TANKS
UCS: Mechas with variable amount of legs
LC: Speedy hovercrafts with regen abilities
If you choose UCS remember that they have shitty starting anti-armour option (literally grenades)

>>380948494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtDKCGdimcQ
That was a great campaign.

>>380949101
they started out so hopeful.... seeing this again after post game

Are the campaigns in AoE2 good?

Give me some good RTS with basebuilding and skirmish mode.

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It's nice to see Northgard doing well in sales. RPS did a good job advertising it.

>>380950485
They are very good.

>>380941986
Its not epic

Seriously, what the fuck is with modern RTS and its small fucking scale on every fucking thing.

>AoM
Epic size
>AoE2
Epic size
>SupCom
HUGE EPIC SIZE
>C&C
Epic size
>DoW1
Epic size

Then you come to something like steel division
>5 to 8 units in a town
>10 other units spread thin like butter across a 1000km map

You what to know what the most popular maps in RTS games always are? They are always the maps with a major chokepoint and everyone throwing everything at it and watching fuckhuge fun battles.

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>>380938925
Anyone played Earth 2150: The Moon ?
The concepts of base-home map, underground layer and customization of units were so rad for its time.

>>380943932
>all those factions
>one map
Im fucking hard to the max

I think having two almost entirely separate continents will be great because even if you steamroll one you have to start again in the other
>leading a dwarf expedition to the new world
>leading a liz incursion into the old

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>>380942570

>Those shitters in pubs that unironically expected you not to leave the lobby when they wanted to play schledt with a 15 minutes no rush rule

dow 3 is getting there, good patch coming in a few days set to bring about real game modes, turrets.

I daresay if you can find it for 50% off get it. It's gonna be like dow2 in that it starts off absolutely fucking awful, and gets better as the series progresses

>>380951208
DoW2 at least has the numbers

DoW3 sold 200k, its absolutely dead.

http://steamcommunity.com/games/dawnofwar/announcements/detail/1332350869595289198

Absolutely everything about this pisses me off
>bombastic, action-RTS
Fucking DoW2 even has larger scale combat than DoW3 its so shit

>>380950720
So far /v/ has the highest concentration of Earth fans I've seen anywhere (as in, there are some folks who actually played). E2150 was choke full of advanced features and its sad whole franchise was axed.
>>380950718
Eh, I'd argue that truly epic are only TA and its spiritual offspring, while Age of Empires/Mythology and C&C had good scale (you could have massive army if you wanted, but it's not "50 units scouting force" level of SupCom), while DoW1 handwaved that those are squads, not units!
Steel Division situation is pretty sad.

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>>380951208
I was just about to post this. DoW 3 coming in hot with a real gameplay mode and turrets finally. I'm pretty hyped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ6rKF-ZPGg

>>380951261
What the hell does that matter to my enjoyment of the game? Furthermore everything else in this thread "lacks numbers," because it's fucking RTSs. Hence the thread title "Support Group."

Like the last few Relic games, its launch was entirely subpar, but they've shown they're listening and this patch is resolving some of the grossly needed gameplay features it was lacking. If Relic can finish turning it into a solid game, it will maintain a solid (by RTS standards) multiplayer community playing it.

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My western bros, play Perimeter
Its a RTS with terra-forming, Nano-machines and transforming units on the field.

>>380950720
THIS FUCKING GAME. Oh man, my Dad bought this game when it came out and I had no idea what the fuck it was. He let me play on his PC every now and then and I thought this was the coolest shit. I didn't even know the fucking name of this game until you just posted it and I looked it up. Time to go torrent it and rev up that nostalgia.

>>380952062
I played Perimeter 2 and I've heard it's worse. In my experience Perimeter 2 wasn't any kind of special, to win as a water faction you just had to spam your hubs so much you re-enacted biblical flooding.

Help me get into some more RTS's. I only recently got into the genre. So far I own
>AoE2
>AoM
>CoH1
>Impossible Creatures
>Rise of Nations
>Dawn of War
>SupCom
>Homeworld Remastered Collection
My favorites of those would have to be AoE2 and SupCom (I really like the base building in those), and Dawn of War. Is there a big RTS tier list?

>>380950962
>tfw you and your friends playing scheldt infantry only

Fucking glorious

>>380950720
Hell yeah I just started playing the ED campaign, it's fun as hell. What does /v/ think of 2160?

>>380952215
second game is worse sadly. like most sequels

What do you lads think of the AoE remake coming up?

I entered the beta but haven't heard anything yet.

>>380952167
cs.rin has a GoG collection with all parts, divided in E2140 trilogy, E2150 trilogy and E2160 (I like the most E2150 though).
Do remember that you HAVE to set resolution to 4:3, 5:4 or 16:10 ratio.

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>>380952040
1 Requisition has been deposited into your account

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>>380938925
Who /Impossible creatures/ here

>>380952231
There was a pic, look in archives.
>>380952270
>that innovative mechanic where you can fail some missions and game adapts
That aside, E2160 is IMO weaker and imbalanced, but probably is fun too (but has shit fog of war)

>>380952040
>listening
Yeah to the sound of no sales and a dead game. Dow1 and 2 have more players.

Man, the fact that so many good and iconic RTS games exists already, makes hard for something really good to surface. And with people wanting good grafix we get less and less unit count on the field. Add on that the average goer chooses mobas or replays old classics.

>>380952040
You cannot fix dow3. It is irredeemable.

Just from the most basic things like the graphics and animations are subpar.

They would literally have to start from starch to fix it.

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>tfw love playing RTS but absolute shit at the online of every game I've tried

>>380952231
The original Company of Heroes is really well done.
Starcraft is a timeless classic.
All of the C&C games are good except C&C 4. (Though C&C 3 is pretty slow and bland, and RA3 is too garish and pretty annoying). If you play those you'll want to start with the first ones because they didn't age that well and it's hard to go back.
Total Annihilation.

Also consider sim-RTS combos, like Pharaoh and Anno and shit.

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>>380952550
Nigga, don't be retarded. And of the three, modded DoW1 remains my favorite. However, if people like you decided the future of CoH2 or DoW2, they wouldn't have seen the significant improvements they did since their respective releases. DoW3 was not an unenjoyable game on launch, despite the things I disliked, and the current patch is going a long ways towards improving it. Once IG with buildable defences and Last Stand is in, I'll be happy.

And don't fucking talk about "dead games" like you know what that means. My actual favorite RTS ever and always is BFME2:RotWK. THAT'S an actual fucking dead game. At least you can still buy DoW3.

>>380952827
same famalam
I just play skirmish all day

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>>380952231
I asked /v/ on two separate occasions what their top 3 RTSs are and compiled the results. Anything mentioned at all is probably worth a play.

>>380952869
Didn't EA lost rights to BFME2, making it unenforceable to punish anybody for pirating it?
As in, it's free?

>>380952869
>BFTME2
fuck yeah my dude. my friend were a huge fan and we always get some epic(actually a proper use of the word) battles going on. Loved the dwarfs and how they could turtle on one citadel

>>380952062
Impossible to beat that campaign map where the enemy uses the borrow units even if you spammed drill-defences.

>>380952963
Shogun 2 isn't an RTS but the Total War series is pretty great generally, and Shogun 2 is the crowning achievement of the franchise.

>>380953007
A publisher losing the rights to publish more of an IP in no way waives their right to enforce copyright on what they legally had made with the IP, and it certainly doesn't waive their right to punish theft.

>>380952963
>Earth 2150, Anno 2070 and Warlords Battlecry 3 mentioned only once
just fuck me up senpai
>but at least Warzone 2100 was mentioned 2 times
Also I won't ever not chuckle, "warzone" means "brewed" in polish and I always think of some futuristic brewery simulator when I read it.

>>380948257
this female girl is very cute, who is she

>>380953143
>Warlords Battlecry 3
Man the campaign always rekt me.
I always just played and farmed heroes\troops in AI maps but campaign was just impossible for me. undeads are best race btw

>>380953264
(s)he got to the finals of the most prestigious and competitive tournament in StarCraft 2, 6 times which is absolutely ludicrous, but so far never won it, this 6th try hopefully works out

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Is there any hope for CoH 2 getting Blitzkrieg?

>>380953143
>Earth 2150 n Lost Souls difficulty
Just fuck my shit up senpai


Also Warlords Battlecry 2 > 3 campaign wise

I'm gonna replay the old C&Cs soon

>>380952963
>Supreme Commander not first
The fuck

>>380952658
This argument doesn't hold the water. We already have many good, classic RPGs, FPSes, action games and others. If anything I'd agree that RTS genre is stuck in place rather than it's all done already. We need some innovation to get back in the game

Spellforce 3 looks horrible, with units swinging their swords at enemies without any sort of impact whatsoever.

Any other RTS to look forward to?

>>380954256
>innovation
Even after all these years, I still wish there'd be a new RTS with the systems of Sim Ant.

>Multiple battles taking place at the same time, viewed on a chart comparing army sizes. Can switch to any of them at any time.
>Massive natural disasters wipe up huge swaths of armies from various battle zones all at once.
>Battles taking place on the Surface Layer as well as a Sub Layer (underground in Sim Ant, but could do Sky for another game).
I still replay that game every so often, and for all its clunkiness, it still impresses me.

>>380954496
Iron Harvest

>>380954496
RTS is dead, the only games worth playing are the classics, this is also the reason why all new RTS games want to "get back to the roots"

>>380954226
Supreme Commander's singleplayer is absolute trash, and if you've been in these threads at any point in the last ten years, or generally discussed RTS elsewhere you should be well aware that the audience cares more about singleplayer.

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It's kind of sad that after the catastrophic flop that was DoW3 the only RTSs being made by big companies to look forward to are HD remakes of 20 year old games.

>>380955369
FAF is a thing.
And you are wrong.

>>380955441

The alternative is pretending that DoW3 saved RTS, and I refuse to have that opinion.

>>380955496
I know, I play FAF. I prefer multiplayer.
What am I wrong about? That it's singleplayer is trash? That's the opinion I have, and it's backed up by seeing no discussion of the singleplayer anywhere.
Or the declaration that most of the RTS audience cares about singleplayer?
Most people are somewhere in the middle, playing both but avoiding the competitive side of multiplayer, doing stuff like compstomps or tower defense. And if they do play anything competitive it usually encapsulates the singleplayer mindset in some way. Like AoE 2 Black Forest, or CoH Scheldt, or maps with unit spawn trigger moshpits. Not that any of these are fun, but most people are motivated to play them because they aren't very competitive, there is little variation; and people care for the build-up before any variation can occur.

>2 days ago Relic brought the new gamemode people were asking for
>player number continued sinking anyway
It's sad and funny at the same time. RIP DoW.

>>380955813
Not that any of these aren't* fun, pardon me.

>>380943932
No.

Warhammer I was an extremely shallow game.

The town building usually has objectively better choices and the combat is basically just whoever can field the most monsters.

>>380955813
and this is good as it is
the competitive playerbase should be at most the top 5%, not everyone, and this is not what the devs should cater to

>>380950495
Is it still early access?

>>380955813
The problem is that everyone looks at rating system/ladder


And only 1v1's on ladder

>>380956006
At any point am I implying such a thing?
I was the singleplayer centric audience for most of my RTS-playing life. With the exception of Brood War I didn't play any non-custom map multiplayer until Company of Heroes.

All I am doing is explaining how something like Supcom probably doesn't score as high as singleplayer giants like DoW and C&C.

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>>380938925
>3d RTS

TWO DIMENSIONAL REAL TIME STRATEGY GAMES ARE SUPERIOR

>>380939342
AoE II HD is surprisingly active on steam

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Anyone else playing the FA campaign?

>>380955828

First release tells us everything we need to know about DoW3.

Terrible campaign. Hero units being the only units that matter. Normal units being boring forever. Tall grass / bubble shield mechanics. Making interesting upgrades only available via "loadouts". Only MOBA mode for multiplayer.

Even if SEGA directed Relic to try and re-create DoW1 or DoW2, they will only butcher and fail.

I wish them the best of luck as they sink into oblivion.

>>380950718
>You what to know what the most popular maps in RTS games always are? They are always the maps with a major chokepoint and everyone throwing everything at it and watching fuckhuge fun battles.

I avoid this shit like a plauge
Sheldt is also not a good map no matter how popular.

>>380952386
>1 Requisition has been deposited into your account
kek

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Today I dreamed about a game of AoE2 except one of my wololos was fucking Gandalf and I used him to cheese one of my enemies' base with stutter step and lightning and fire magic. Then the red player somehow snuck a squad of archers near my town center, killed off all the workers, somehow converted it then teleported in some sort of Wraith heroic unit and I lost.

Is there a mod/conversion that does something like this?

>>380956158
Yeah, but they added multiplayer and are working out some technical issues. Not sure how long early access is gonna be.

They also added 2 new units apart from the basic Warrior and Warchief/Berserker, the ranged Axe Thrower and an anti-ranged/tower Shield Bearer.

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On a scale of 0 to 0.0001, how thrilled are we about the upcoming AoE1 remaster?

>>380956702

That's not going to make the game interesting.

They can only do so much with Settlers 2 mechanics, I don't know how can they make it interesting.

who /onlyplayscompstomps/ here?

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>>380954865
Earth 2150 says hi to the third point.
First there sorta-kinda was in campaign, but I don't think it would count.
>>380956410
I'd probably play it with somebody, but alone, not so much.
>>380956807
We should promote new, not old, in RTS genre.

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I still think for originality and difference between factions, this is one of the most unique RTS ever made :/. It's a shame it never caught on or got a sequel.

>>380956930
Are you me?

>>380956930
I'm PvE kind of player, doesn't matter if solo or multi. I simply don't have enough will to learn how to be pr0 in competitive

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>>380952040
>>380951208
>>380952869
D E A D G A M E and it has shit reviews. Nobody wants your piece of shit go fuck off you shill

>>380956930

Present. Played way too much 4v4 DoW1:SS
with DowPRO mod until I had enough for a lifetime.

Not helping was that DoW1 only knows single core, making large battles bog down modern machines to 20fps.

>>380957085
Developers are trying to make a sequel to that game right now.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=311702665

>>380956487
Wouldn't SEGA be breathing down their necks if a new DOW be created?

>>380957121
I just don't have the time for it. I usually play to build a comfy base.

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I just realized... Is it really so bad? AoE 1 is the only big "upcoming RTS title"? Is there seriously nothing else? I heard good things about Ashes of Singularity but I had a toaster when I tried it so I didn't really enjoy it. Also the units seemed to similar on every fucking side.

I've been playing some of the older shit. Absolutely awesome games.
Earth 2140, Seven Kingdoms, Seven Kingdoms 2 Fryghtan Wars (The HD remake is gud because it fixes a lot of shit). Z and some other shit.

The real question is, why were RTS games so popular before. I'm a 90s kid and I remember playing Red Alert when I was 6 or 7. Just studying that manual all day long...Nowadays people just don't care about RTS. Did the gaming audience change so drastically in the last 20 years?

>>380957245

Yes. But who's asking for a new DoW from Relic Entertainment of 2017?

>>380956930
I was then I git gud slightly.

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Who here /Conquest: Frontier Wars/?

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Why was Deserts of Kharak so underwhelming? I think it was the low number of unique units. Factions felt too similar as well.

>>380957316
>AoE remake
I think. Most of recent titles are already out. Don't forget SC1 remaster...
>Earth 2140
Try 2150, many innovative mechanics and isn't completely unplayable yet
>why RTS were popular
Honestly? No fucking idea. Maybe it was a trend. Maybe it as good because it allowed for competitive multiplayer. The problem is that whle those were good games, nowadays FPSes aren't like those from nineties and RTS has to change too. And no, I don't regard MOBAs as RTSes.

Ashes of the singularity any good?

Is there still an audience for Coh 2? I quit playing a long time ago but thinking of getting back.

>>380957494
Space > Planetary warfare

Also story wise it was kinda meh

>>380952040
Yes I FUCKING LOVE TURNING DAWN OF WAR INTO A COLOURFUL MOBA!

>>380952062
The english dub was so underwhelming.

>>380957316

I was hating on Seven kingdoms 2 HD because the HD interface was uncomfortable for me.

I got used to it and am now playing that game every so often. Even the silly Alt hotkeys didn't bother me that much. The singular mechanic of military units having its own max health and leadership, as well as an emphasis on nationality affecting loyalties is replicated by no other games to today.

Everyone just shifted their interests; MOBAs allowed people in a team to banter with each other, Mobile games allowed people to spend money on lootboxes, FPS allowed people to justify buying expensive graphics cards or consoles. And so on and so forth.

>>380957494

Ever since critics said that the campaign was practically a permanent tutorial, I didn't even take a look at that game.

>>380957675
Every single unit from that game is a hovercraft. I do not recommend.

>>380944731
Ground Control 2.

>>380952231
Play all 3 Warcrafts

>>380957652
Most of the best remembered RTS had fuckall competitive multiplayer.

It was a combination of accessibility to games(as in there was less, these days the people who would have discovered a variety of video games are more locked on what mobile game is in vogue with their facebook buddies), pc games being less defined as cutting edge graphics with first/third person action gameplay so their presence in the market was bigger and I guess their attachment to big names like EA and Blizzard.

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>>380957774
Well, half of what's updating is the return of typical RTS gameplay instead of the moba-lite thing they were doing before.

>>380957774
Hey the colors are absolutely fine. It even feels better than the previous games because the army painter is less garish. I don't own the piece of trash in question, only watched videos of it; but the colour/tone complaints are nonsense.

>>380952062
Good shit. Also the setting is absolutely awesome.

>>380946149
>sudden strike 4

Yep. Only two more months till its out.

>>380957316
>why were RTS games so popular before.

There wasn't a dozen specialised genres that did what each group wanted better. RTS is a genre like fighting games, it's about mechanics, but most people for some reason refuse to accept this.

>>380957906
The audio and visuals of DoW2 will still surpass this worthless tripe.

>3 factions
>notmoba MOBA
>Bad VA
>Worse campaign

What the fuck were Relic even thinking.

>>380957906

lol no

Also, Cossacks, American Conquest (I just love the design and the graphics in that game).Is Cossacks 3 alive, I'm too fucking old I have a problem dealing with the shitty 3D shift, I had the same feeling when fucking Neverwinter Nights came out, it seemed ugly compared to the old isometric engine. Do people just suck at graphics too? Look at games like Endless Legend, 3D and absolutely gorgeous and than these other trash 3D engines like C3. Really makes you think.

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Daily reminder that this is one of the most engaging RTS games in recent memory.

It's no SupCom, but it's pretty good.

Also fuck Related Designs for Anno 2205.
>>380958171
They were not thinking, anon.

>>380958245

What's wrong with Anno 2205?

>>380950962
>15 mins no rush

This no rush bullshit always pissed me off. It promotes turtling and only holds the hands of baddies. People think no rush is bullshit, but the idea is to put pressure on the enemy all throughout the game. The entire match should ideally be full of intense tactical battles from the first minute. God damn casuals.

>>380958219
>comparing Amplitude wizards to anything
They'd make even Trump look good

>>380958234
Is it more like Command and Conquer or more on the tactical side like Blitzkrieg? I might pick it up on the upcoming steam sale, seems nice.

>>380958308
It's casual shit and nothing like previous Anno games.

>>380958351
It's real time tactics. Think Men of War.

>>380958347
This, Amplitude are gods of storytelling and art direction.

>>380958234
>Syrian warf-

Don't care. I don't give a rats fucking ass about Syria and a game about it is even worse.

>>380958171
>notmoba MOBA

But it's not a MOBA at all.

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can you guys recommend me some channel like brownbear?
with focus mainly on RTS game design www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubZdlnUdWVU

>>380958409
Thanks Anon, gonna pick this up when the steam sale hits. I think I heard of this somewhere, the devs are Russian right?

>>380958368

The last game I played involved managing resources between occidental population centers, oriental population centers, and any other islands colonized only for rare resources. Also maintaining supply and guard fleets. Also features not interesting warfare mechanics.

How could this game be more casual?

>>380958472
You sound pretty boring.

I for one enjoy getting to play a realistic RTS with modern weapons.

>>380958487
Yeah, and the pro-Russian, pro-regime bias is really obvious, but it doesn't affect the gameplay much.

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How's Cossacks 3?
The game looks great and I'm itching to play a good rts but a fair number of the steam reviews claim the game is pretty susceptible to crashes.

>>380958690
I've never had it crash on me. The loading times are pretty boring though. Other than that it's fairly fun if a bit.. stale in the lategame? And the lack of any unit audio sucks.

>>380952270
>Earth 2160
The only Earth game I played, but I still remember the DRM being some strocious, phone-activated bullshit. It also took me stupidly long to understand how the alien air units worked. I really liked the vertical bases of the lunar faction. Pretty fun overall.

>>380952437
Insect Invasion was A mistake

>>380955828
>2 days ago

Isn't it suppose to be released on the 20th June or are you bullshitting me?

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>tfw no good mafia strategy game with xcom perma death and nemesis system for other families
>tfw no good Vietnam RTS
>tfw no good WW2 emotional feel rollercoaster RTS with perma death for main characters and cutscenes that change to reflect that
>tfw no good halo RTS
>tfw no good RTS with destructible environments that change map play and can kill/immobilse units unlike company of heroes where the debris disappears and literally does nothing

>>380953480
>undead
>not ssrathi
>not Minotaurs

>>380958843
That DRM is pure autism tier, just like their modkit policy (only Poles would get them. I'm a Pole and this is worst decision they could have ever made, at the time there weren't nearly enough polish modders to do shit).
That aside, UCS had slightly autistic base building (absolutely the worst) because of population limit (E2150 did without it perfectly fine), but ED had nice sprawling feel, LC built skyscrapers and aliens were cloning blues. THeir ships were a real bitch to fight though.

>>380950718
i loved Art of Defense maps back in the day

I really love how Warzone 2100 still getting updates.

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>>380953480
>>380959050
>not dark dwarves

>>380953143
>>380959050

Just think how many DLCs Warlords 3 would have been split into if it had been released in the last five years. Games with THAT much content are impossible nowadays without a 200 dollar price tag from all the DLCs. Fuck my life.

>>380959030
>>tfw no good halo RTS

What's missing from the two Halo RTSes available today?

>>380958816
>And the lack of any unit audio sucks
Oh that's a bummer. Unit audio on select is orgasmic when done well.

>>380957675
It is good if you're interested more in macro than micro. So its more about managing groups rather than individual units since nothing does well on its own.

>>380959030
>xcom-style mafia game with nemesis system
FUND IT

>>380942570
I'll never understand bridgeplebs. There was a phase in COH2 where people would play just Sittard (a quintessential piece of shit bridge map) all the time and it was boring as fuck. Not to mention games would go over an hour easily.

>>380958347
Endless Space 1 was trash. Endless Legend was amazing, Endless Space 2 appears average, haven't tried it yet.

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>>380958409
>real time tactics
Every time.

>>380958339
I think most people who actually do the no-rush shit are people who never tried rushing themselves.

Age of Empires 2 taught me to love that shit.

>>380959232

>Shallow 'rush with more units than opponents to win' gameplay
>both are 343i fanfic tier shit

>>380952957

AoE campaigns all day for me.

>>380959445
AoE2 is a shit game for rushing with how prevalent and effective walling is.
Only good rush games are things like Brood War where it can straight up win or lose a game, or Supcom/TA with map control dynamics and to rush or turtle are momentary actions that you can change the gears on.

>>380959302
ES2 is amazing once they'll fix all the bugs.

>>380959293

It really surprises me how many cool ideas there are out there and devs/publishers seem to just copy each other.

Take the xcom mafia nemesis game and throw it out as an open world third person sandbox and you'd have a winner and the shit load of sales that publishers want.

>>380958615
there's nothing more boring than playing versus AI. At least play Wargame

>partisan tactics

why is this commander so much fun?

>>380957471
Hey, I remember playing the demo for that way way back. IIRC it has basically Starcraft races, but in a proper space stragety.

>>380959691
You think you know better than SEGA what to do with this month's RTS shipment?

>>380959030
>tfw no good Vietnam RTS

I remember Platoon being pretty good, but it's more RTT.

>>380959718
>he unironically thinks wargame is a good game
Don't make me laugh.

Wargame is my greatest disappointment. Garbage game modes and a pissweak multiplayer experience. Truly a worthless pile of junk.

>>380959293
sans the nemesis system:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/208520/Omerta__City_of_Gangsters/
It's shit.

>>380959882
>Platoon

Never heard of this, but looks like it's made by the guys who did Haegemonia and Imperium Galactica?

I gotta check this shit out.

>>380959957
I'm sure a shitty RTS about a conflict only /pol/ and the nation itself is interested in is a much superior game.

P.S it's just a ripoff from Joint Task Force.

>>380959957
>pissweak multiplayer experience
qualify this.

>>380959882
There's Vietnam '65 from Slytherine if you like those kind of games

I thought it was neat

>>380960041
1v1 matchmaking is ded and if it wasn't it would be poor because it just picks any random player and puts them up against any other random player in a crude pastiche of a good matchmaking system.

Lobby browser is 3 players with 99% winrate and 650 disconnects against a 16% winrate with 1,000 games played, you, and an empty slot.

And even if you do actually get into a gamemode the gameplay is piss boring because the game modes are unimaginative dreck that do nothing to take advantage of the potential of the huge scale and plethora of unit types. It was clearly designed around tournament play and so the maps are as stale and symmetrical as possible and the gamemodes as bland and gamey as possible which is a fucking joke because who in fuck would ever expect such a niche title to support tourney play?

Long story short Wargame was flawed from conception and that shows in the multiplayer.

>>380960025
It's a much more interesting game.

>>380953602
Nah m8 after GCS finals the game will be discarded.

>>380960329
I expect they'll implement some of miragefla's changes

>>380960298
>1v1 matchmaking is ded
not true, not even now. There's always some amount of people searching

>symmetrical maps
which.

>multiplayer designed around tournament play
as opposed to?

>>380958690
the reviews are all probably from last year
it only crashed once for me way back then

>>380957316
RTS gaming really took a big fat blow in the face when Westwood got bought by EA

>>380953602
>people say it's a good mod
>try it out
>holy shit EVERYTHING IS DYING

pretty good, the MoW fan inside me likes it

>>380960564
>not true, not even now.
You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to me. I too own a copy of Wargame.

>which.
All of them. Name any map. It's symmetrical. And also probably divided into "lanes" too, which is a whole other bottle of retardation.

>as opposed to?
Multiplayer designed around fun?

>>380952827
>>380952957
hello my skirmish friends

>>380960741
Shit man, gaming as a hobby took a blow when EA came into existence.

>>380960741
>RTS gaming really took a big fat blow in the face when Westwood got bought by EA

>He fell for the memes.
The reality where Westwood didn't get bought out by EA has them going under and never releasing Tiberian Sun.

And EA could never make Red Alert 2, 3, C&C 3 and Generals.
Westwood is overrated to hell and back and back again.

I like comfy building simulators like battle for middle earth 2. What other RTS games would I like?

-enjoy muh base building and singleplayer campaigns
-Don't like starcraft multiplayer because i'm not good enough for rushing

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>>380950718
>SETON'S
>CLUTCH

>>380961153
battle for middle earth 2 might actually be the worst base builder barring games that straight up do not have buildings so basically anything else

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>>380950720
>tfw strip mining the map after objective completed
I don't even remember if there were ships

>>380961352
>battle for middle earth 2 might actually be the worst base builder

どうしたの?

>>380961074
Fuck off EA shill. Westwood used to be under Virgin Interactive then it got sold off to EA. And at the time of the acquistiion Westwood was in no way doing bad. TS might've come out one year later but it would've come out, as you've seen even though it was rushed the game we got was fun and felt complete.
And even under EA they made the goodies that were RA2 and Renegade. Some might argue that Generals was good too but that's already when EA influence was already at a considerable height and only with C&C 3 you could really feel that the old Westwood was gone.

So just go be a fucking kiddy contrarian somewhere else.

>>380961352
Do... Do you even dorfs?

>>380961528
>And even under EA they made the goodies that were RA2 and Renegade.

Westwood did not make RA2. That was Dustin Browder's game. Made by an EA studio that simply used the Westwood's engine (same way all 3D C&C games use upgraded Emperor Battle for Dune engine).
Westwood was making Emperor when Red Alert 2 was being made.

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Speaking of BFME2, the newest patch 1.09 came out recently. I'm tentatively excited to try it. Information and download can be found at:

https://www.gamereplays.org/battleformiddleearth2/portals.php?show=page&name=bfme2-patch-1.09

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>>380960298
>Lobby browser is 3 players with 99% winrate and 650 disconnects against a 16% winrate with 1,000 games played, you, and an empty slot.
how do you think anyone got good aside from ranked and playing in those lobbies.I'd attribute much of my skill to griefing /vg/ stacks alongside pubs.

>>380960857
>You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to me. I too own a copy of Wargame.
then you can see that there's 3 ranked matches running others with other players searching even now.

>All of them. Name any map.
none of the maps are symmetrical. Only the 10v10 maps are.
Plunjing Valley's considered one of the most balanced, and it's anything but symmetric.

>fun
doesn't bring longevity like competition does

>>380961656
Just because it had Dustin Browder as a designer doesn't mean shit
Its developers are still Westwood Pacific i.e the real westwood

>>380961732
>ranked
Ded with shit matchmaking.
>playing in those lobbies
Yeah, I enjoyed grinding out 2.5k games against stacked teams so much that I dropped Wargame and never returned. Truly a fantastic experience.

>then you can see that there's 3 ranked matches running others with other players searching even now.
Awesome, a pool of about 30 players. Yes, this is the alive and intact enjoyable online experience I was promised.

>it's anything but symmetric.
Arterial road layouts are all symmetric. Zone layouts are all the symmetric. Cover locations are all the symmetric. Town locations are all symmetric.

It's symmetric as fuck, and I can't believe you're autistic enough to push the point to where I'm going to have to draw a mud overlay in photoshop to prove it.

>doesn't bring longevity like competition does
>wargame
>longevity
top fucking kek

it's fucking dead.

>>380961607
>>380961430
>income gets shat on unless you spread out your resource buildings in the most unaesthetic apey way

>buildings are destroyed damn near instantly by even the shittiest units

>walls can be placed anywhere which is cool but they are lame as fuck compared to BFME1 walls that could actually be mounted by archers and shit to fire down on the attacking plebs

>nothing besides walls and shitty towers in terms of fortifications

I will say the citadel upgrading was sick as fuck though. To answer your question, play some fucking Supreme Commander if want to just hunker down and survive onslaughts. Base building is based as fuck in that game.

>>380957494

>They didn't include any gameplay elements that made the original so popular and revolutionary
>No narrative skill whatsoever, ruining the fabulous setting. Literally the HW1 manual is incalculably better written than ANY part of HW:DoK
>Absolute shit unit design: trucks and planes when the 1999 manual spoke of DESERT-SAILING SHIPS AND TRAINS ACROSS THE DESERTS in the pre-industrial and industrial times of Kharak.

I will NEVER purchase anything Gearbox of Blackbird Studios touches as long as i live. Not only the remaster is ludicrous shit, their prequel is a soulless cash-in which goes of its way to neuter the amazing creativity seen in the original.

>>380961898
>Its developers are still Westwood Pacific i.e the real westwood

Westwood Pacific is a different company you mongoloid.
>Along with Westwood, EA had also acquired Virgin Interactive's development studio based in Irvine, California.[2] It became known as Westwood Pacific, and later EA Pacific. Westwood Pacific developed or co-developed games like Nox and Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2, which takes place in an alternate universe to that of the original title Command & Conquer.

>>380960741
>C&Cgenerals2meme.jpg
>>380961394
Getting resources in the original was kimda the whe point.
There were ships, but they were too limited. There were no buildings, resources or literally anything in the water but it. 2 factions additionally had amphibious units. Ships looked cool though.

Thank you to the Polish anons for introducing me to Earth 2150. I finally managed to run it on Windows 7. Anyone want to play it on multiplayer?

>>380962129
>income rewarded for map control
>walling was exceptionally powerful for the many chokepoints most maps had
>walls had all sorts of upgrades like archer towers, holes to allow unit passage, catapult towers, and some more
>towers can be garrisoned and upgraded, multiplying effectiveness significantly
I unno, mang. I love me some BFME1, but BFME2 is my favorite game of all time and thus also my favorite RTS.

The resource thing can seem shitty, especially when you aren't used to it, but in time you get used to countering early rushes against them, and in long games it's a marker of map control as you branch over what you've fortified, walled, etc.. Building resource structures took barely any time, so you were hardly punished by losing them accidentally (but quickly punished for expanding into dangerous territory and losing them).

I like SupCom as much as any man, but BFME2 just meshed with me in ways other RTS's don't.

>>380962129
>income gets shat on unless you spread out your resource buildings in the most unaesthetic apey way

That's taken from Total Annihilation.
You know, the supreme god of all RTS games according to many people here.

>>380962494
IIRC polish based modders made balance mid named SuperStorm. Just so you know.
Also can't right now because I'm typing on phone. Sorry

>>380962119
>Arterial road layouts are all symmetric. Zone layouts are all the symmetric. Cover locations are all the symmetric. Town locations are all symmetric.
are you blind? I have no idea it is that you're expecting. ALB showed off the folly of underdesigned maps.

>longevity
compared to games with "fun" MP. I struggle to think of any, even.

Official Earth 2150 Ranking List:

We Wuz Khans Tier
>ED
Weeaboo Metal Gear Tier
>UCS
Ayy lmao Tier
>LC

>>380951261
dow2 was screwed fir sales and lauded like dow 3 has been on release, it got better due to relic for a time listening(and the last stand) and freebies,


I'm optimistic dow 3 will do the same because it has some potential (and if dow 3 dies the last hope of rts dies with it)


>>380957157
does it bring you joy saying your game is shit then spouting memes?
I honestly dont understand,
, at least be original man. game has plenty of flaws its not even hard.

>>380962705
Yeah what about it. I'm not saying BFME2 is shit, I love it. I'm saying if you're looking for castle building autism there's much better options
>>380962634
yo seriously you guys are wilin' out. I'm not saying BFME2 is shit but you arent even arguing for the original point here. Expanding to chokepoints and map control and shit. Dude asked about building some turtle shit.
You get way more expansive base building/management out of supcom and comfier city building out of AoE/AoM/Rise of nations where you'll get to see your farmers and lumberjacks and shit. Also not strictly an RTS but Black and White 1/2 is very for that too if you're willing to dip into god games/city builders

>>380962260
You're right
I conceed.
Westwood was shit and we we were lucky to get what we got

>ED got lasers that OHK's any unit without shields n is shit vs buildings
>UCS got plasma that does well vs everything
>LC got shit electro n sonic weapons

>>380959812

Anyone knows better

>>380963368
Ah, but do they know to make a better product OR do they know how to make more money off shit products?

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>>380962753
>are you blind?
Are you?

Look at pic related. The cover is all in the same area. The roads are all laid out the same. You can even see that the zones themselves are symmetrical - Fedor and Boris both have towns at either end. There is a blidingly obvious north/south line of symmetry drawn through Anna and Dmitri and you have to be wilfully fucking ignorant to ignore it. Sure, Dmitri has more trees and Anna has more town. That doesn't make it not symmetrically designed.

The map is fucking symmetrical.

I could go through and highlight every single symmetry but I'm not going to because if you can't figure it out from pic related, and actually if you can't figure it out just from the fucking minimap and from how the map plays exactly the same whether you start North or South, you're beyond help.

>compared to games with "fun" MP. I struggle to think of any, even.
You should try actually playing videogames for once in your life then. You might be able to think of some fun ones.

Oh wait, I forgot, you sour fucking autists who dump thousands of hours into shitty multiplayer """"""e-sports"""""" games don't know what fun is.

Wargame is a shit game and that's why it's a ded game.

Who /gyle/ here?

Let's watch anons!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkD6qYY2dEc

>>380963628
>e-celeb bullshit
Get the fuck out. Nobody cares. Fuck off.

>>380963628
>Watch

Nah, let's play anon

>>380963692
>hating on gyle
You'll shut your whore mouth while the adults are talking.

>>380963731
S-sure, but I accidently my faf-installment.

>>380963265
>sonic weapons have AoE
>sonic weapons aren't banned when bombs are even though they perform the same purpose
LOL
>>380963013
I found link
http://download.wec.org.pl/etceteras/superstorm/e2150/SuperStormV2b2.zip
>>380963013
ED is part russia part mongolia, it's closer to Japan than UCS

How much do you care about graphics in an RTS?

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>>380957085
>start campaign
>get to the part with the geishas where you have to defend the shrine against the wolf clan
>you get only your heroes against waves
I CAN'T DO IT. THERE'S TOO MANY.

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>>380957494
the first thing that comes to mind is

>finish final objective
>even by accident
>whatever you have left is what you start the next map with

no post game resource harvesting and fleet building

sometimes i had to use "use default fleet" just to see how the story ended because i got fucked over and had nothing but a carrier and no RUs work with

>>380963692
You can pretend there aren't names in the title if it makes you feel better.

>>380963785
>You'll shut your whore mouth while the adults are talking.
Go back to rebbit you fucking cunt. If you want to suck the dick of pasty fuckcunt nerds trying to get asspats by doing shitty over-the-top "performances" for their internet dicksuck faggot friends this is not the right website for you.

>>380959140
Last ones improved UI and other stuff. Slowly but best RTS is still going.

>>380963787
>Sonic weapons
>Literally have to hug enemy to deal dmg
>Burns ammo
>Shit dmg

You better off with electro n rush plasma arty

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>>380963185
>>if you're looking for castle building autism there's much better options
>Doesn't mention the best castle building autism simulator of them all: Stronghold
Nah, it's cool, mate. I just love BFME2. I see your point; there's definitely better options for turtling.

In one last argument, call it a side note, one of my favorite things in BFME2 comp stomps with friends was picking this one map where all 4 players of a team received this big hill that had only 3 ramps up (and ditto four the opposing 4). I would take point with Angmar and wall off the 3 ramps and harry the enemy with cheap thralls while my allies would build a fucking empire and armies up behind me. When midgame hit, the walls would open and pour out hundreds of dorf siege engines, men heavy cavalry, and elf super archers supported by about 8 hotkeys worth of dark rangers (2 per hot key) using Longshot to snipe out problem units and however many thralls to keep the enemy off their backs.

Some of my best turtling memories are with BFME2 (and DoW1 UA 1.7, for that matter. Big, thick, meaty walls, hundreds of free conscripts pouring out, and lines of dozens of Earth Shakers pounding away nonstop. It was like BFME2 angmar on steroids. Good shit. And damned fucking shame that UA 1.8 is so shit. What the hell happened? Why is nothing fun anymore? I don't understand.).

>>380963789
Its more about artstyle than graphics. The actual graphics and engine aren't that important. Of course the game gets bonus points if it manages to look like Endless Legend or something. A good example is AOE 1. The old one has some kind of charm, it had a unique art style, the remaster just looks like Age of Mythology was pasted on AOE1, which is probably true.

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Not sure if it's entirely relevant but I'll throw it in here anyway, does anyone have any strong opinions on Dragon Force, the Sega Saturn game? I've wanted to play it for almost two decades now but kept putting it of fear of disappointment

>>380963856
Holy shit you're retarded anon.
Go back to the GTA-threads instead, that's more your style.

>>380964136
>REEEEEEEEE WHY DOESN'T ANYONE CARE ABOUT MY LITERALWHO INTERNET FRIENDS
Because you're a spastic anon. That's why.

>>380964258
>screen surrounded by bloated HUD, countless icons and popups
Why

>>380964026
angmar was fuckin sick. miss that game to death man
RJ's mod was fun as hell too

>>380957494
I think DoK is pretty good, but i'm a big fan of HW with all the dust wars and what not. DoK haas a great premise, it tries to recreate the HW feel and it succeds in some places, but fails really bad in others.

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>>380964258
Looks like toys.

>>380964430
Oh Stronghold. All the fucking trash games after Crusader, it hurts to think of it.

>>380964393
Today I found out they have BFME1 and 2 on their site up for anyone on gamreplays (the people who continued patching the game and adding to it). Not having to use a disk anymore is real friggin nice.

>>380964474
It's like they're forget how to make good games.

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>>380964446
That's called Wh40k aesthetic you idiot.

>>380964568
woooooooooah are you shitting me?

>>380964634
Looks like toys. DoW2 looked much better.

>>380964654
https://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=977795

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>>380943932
It's not RTS
It's not historical
JUST GIVE ME MEDIEVAL 3 FGTS

>>380964446 >>380964719
You don't like Wk40k stylistic, simple
To an extent they're toys too

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>want more games like SC and WC3?
>say no more senpai
pretty good game tho

>>380952869
You're objecitely wrong and the sales fucking prove it

DoW3 is one of the worst rts games of all time. Get over it

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>>380952040
>Wants to sell a dead game
>Slaps reviews scores from shills under "Buy Now"

>>380964871
Its gonna be in china and have shogun tier lack of unit variety

>>380964967
>you are not allowed to enjoy game i forbid it
>nor can you look forward to game adding things you felt were missing i forbid it
k

>>380960979
>1982

>>380964953
>that guy on the left
Am I witnessing a jojo reference?

>>380950783
>Not spreading corruption and warping the forests or twisting beautiful Ulthuan to the new world as Morghur

>>380963789
I prefer good special effects like supcom

>>380965062
You can enjoy shit all you want but dont claim its good

>>380965171
I didn't, ya goof.

>>380965062
DoW3 cant add everything thats missing. And why would you care when 1 and 2 are both better anyway.

Doesnt matter anyway, its dead and they failed end of story. Hopefully someone else gets the IP and makes a real 40k rts game.

>>380965258
you do realise your response is exactly what was said about dow 2 on release *and soulstorm for that matter.

I have hope, because we both know if dow3 doesn't rebirth itself dow as an rts series is ded

>>380965051
>China
Worse than fantasyshit

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just posting dow 3, as it seems to trigger a huge amount of people who never played it.

whether it lives or dies it carries the last hope of a 'big' rts with it.

>>380959176
TO THE MINES

BURN THE FORESTS

STRIP THE LAND

>>380965329
Pfthahhaha. No. Nice try at revisionist history though.

>>380964430
>Stronghold
I notice that isn't HD. I was going to get the HD version... Is it worse?

>>380965329
The series is dead there is no debating it

>>380965434
its funny you care this much about this

Get a life kiddo

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>>380965258
>And why would you care when 1 and 2 are both better anyway.
I dunno, mang. Call it an itch. I find 1 better than 2 but sometimes I download and play 2. I find DoW better than AoE but I still download and play AoE2 and even 3 sometimes. I find AoE2 better than AoM but I still download and play AoM sometimes. I find SupCom better than TotAn but I still play both sometimes. I find many games better than Sins of a Solar Empire but you can bet your ass that sometimes I go and replay that as well.

Call it an itch, but objective quality alone doesn't influence what I play 100% of the time. And I really didn't find DoW3 "unenjoyable." I mostly found it heavily lacking content, chief of which was a proper game mode (then more factions, then the rest of the elites/units). Turrets were also something I really missed and the lack was something I hate about 2, yet here comes a patch that adds fucking turrets and annihilation. I'm looking forward to it, and I hope that in time they'll continue adding the things I feel the game is heavily lacking in.

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>>380963592
what purpose is there in those blue lines besides autism.
You're either being disingenuous and ignoring the nuance that invalidates many of your lines, or you're unaware of contact points and the relative importance of areas you've marked.

You seem to think that asymmetry's built from denying one side of zones, roads and cover rather than varying their strategic weight.

>>380944731
>RTS with good campaigns?
starcraft
starcraft: brood war
warcraft 3: reign of chaos
warcraft 3: the frozen throne

>>380963556

They know both. They just choose to pick low effort/more money products. The RTS market is so starved that they can make any old shit and it will be bought.

Not just sega either, see AoE 4K

RTS died when they became just another circlejerk for people with no real skills to brag about "pwning noobs"
You can see a trend in everything that fell for the competitive meme. FPS, Fighting games, rts etc.

>>380965434
Never seen a game brigaded against harder than DoW3. And it's obvious that most complaints are from sour old poorfags that haven't played the game.
I wonder if the exact same game was released without the nexus game mode and the "we took influences from MOBAs" statement how it would've fared.

I was a bit dissapointed in the artstyle and voice acting at first but I've grown to like it enough. Orks are great. Game is fairly bare bones as is but the core gameplay is nice and tight.
A bit of UI work and some more races and people will come around to it. but it needs to get the chance to do those things.

Even if you hate the game you can't say the trailer wasn't fucking amazing.

>>380965732
Soon available in Blizzard Nostalgia Remastered Pack™!

>>380965812
>i wanna be comfy effort is for autists

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Anyone play this? Probably one of my favorite rtses, the factions are insanely unique.

>>380965834
this game needed

>a 4th faction at launch
>a longer campaign
>more than 4 maps for MP 1v1

maybe it will be great game one year from now on but right now its barebones

>>380965907
>playing games
>effort
lmao, find a real hobby loser

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>>380965524
Yep, it's the older version I have lying around. The game resolution maxed out at 720p and looks really blurry on my 40" TV. To play online with my friends, we use gameranger program to emulate gamespy network.

>>380965907
Well they went by your view and now genre's dead. Wow.

>>380950495

Game is shit bruh

>>380963789
not at all. Artstyle matters, but I'll always play on lowest settings.

>>380966030
>normalfag

>>380965524
Forgot to mention. HD version might looks better and have better HD resolution support, but I don't know if the multiplayer has been fixed. I might convince my friends to get the HD version this summer sale.

>>380944731
Warzone 2100

>>380966010
Not him, but I agree wholeheartedly. All things considered, it seems like chaos is nearly ready to be a full faction, before even IG, but we'll see if we actually get it as DLC or if they do their usual "here's your standalone expansion that fixed all the shit from the previous game sorry."

>>380965978
>steampunk versus magic
was pretty rad game with cool designs for units, not to mention giant robots and djinns
i played this game at 1st because rise of nation in the title but everything got me by surprise

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>>380943932
come back to /twg/ man. /v/ doesn't like our dear game

>>380965978
I expected it to be pretty shit. It ended up being one of the most fun RTS games I ever played.

>>380966210
Fuck yeah it's always hard to find people that played it. I really liked all 3 factions, especially the crazy Mayan god units, shit was nuts.

>>380966047
ah good old Stronghold
loved how units stacked in each other for ultimate rapetrains in tight corridors and walls

>>380966282
>/twg/
>total warhammer general

>>380965715
*tips fedor*

>>380965812
RTS died when people like you became the norm. Winning isn't everything.

>>380965978
I would adore it if it was just fantasy Rise of Nations, liked the setting. But the gameplay just felt really shit to me.

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>>380950718
>You what to know what the most popular maps in RTS games always are? They are always the maps with a major chokepoint and everyone throwing everything at it and watching fuckhuge fun battles
From my experience in many years of C&C Generals the most played 1v1 map was tournament desert with quick rush and variable strats, not infinite money or no rush 15 min bullshit. Same goes for 2v2 and more, even infantry only maps were played more often (and imo more fun while being somewhat long) than stuff like infinite money or no rush 15 min no sw. Maybe other RTS games are different, but I saw the same thing in Starcraft.

>>380966350
>stacking literally hundreds of crossbowmen on a super small guard tower
>laugh as they massacre big attacking armies
>cry when the tower is destroyed and they all die at once

>>380966602
>wiining isn't everything
>said by competitivefags that will drop a match instantly if they see they can't win and only care about learning cheap strats to easily win

>>380966665
Rise of the Reds

>>380966665
There were exceptions, some games didn't lend themselves to chokepoint turtle cancer.
also fuck moot, that post should be quints

>>380966607
That's fair, it was a completely different playstyle. I feel like they just wanted to slap a known brand on it to get some exposure.

>>380965715
>the maps are symmetrical
"no they aren't because one side has 3% less cover than the other"
I can see what type of argument this is going to be already.

Go fuck yourself.

>>380942193
>paying money for a botched f2p gmae

>>380966743
metagaming is inescapable, the former is just poor sportsmanship though.

>>380966010
>a longer campaign

It had a long-ass campaign. The longest in Relic's history.

And there's bajillions of maps for the game already.
Rip on shit that is relevant, like the forced game mode that wasn't rectified until recently, not bullshit that was almost never true.

>>380966696
>he doesn't put any siege engine nearby
>he doesn't check each tower's hitpoint at all time
Served you right.

>>380966781
I can't imagine turtling and massive army battles to be fun since I prefer fast harass micro and surprise strats over anything else but I haven't played your game anon.

>>380966784
What was fun to do in infinite money maps was picking up USA, scanning the area where infinite crate is and order a building over it, essentially killing the crate on some custom maps. On others with respawning infinite box you just proceed to rush the guy down with infinite nooks loaded with dozers since he had to build a unit that shoots to cancel out my building and touch the infinite box with it to get massive funds he doesn't now have to stop my continuous rush. Or just blocking his dozers by spamming buildings at 0% all over his starting area before you finally drop him, fun times.

>>380967294
Then keep playing SC2 and similar

>>380958690

Normaly I like it when games go back to their roots but Cossacks goes all the way back to fucking sperm.

The visuals are extremely dull and the game is slower than frozen syrup. At lest the music is nice but the game literally has made zero improvments from 1 or 2.

>>380957471
My Negro! Protos best race, Lance Frigatte best ship. Too bad MP is dead. This game really need Conquest Frontier Wars Forever

>>380965978

Better than RoN and is the only thing I can think of that actually did steam punk right.

Starcraft has basically ruined RTS games for me, and also basically any other genre.

Whenever I play other games I invariably get bored and decide that BroodWar is better. I don't get excited like my friends for new releases, none of them are going to be as good as Starcraft.

At least it is the current year and I can watch Dual FPVods of Larva vs Flash though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rs3vcQVhUY

>>380966817
yes, I agree that it's pointless to argue with shitters. Your definition of asymmetry is one side having a default +3 tick it appears.

>>380967863
Blizzardcuck get out.

>>380966975
>>And there's bajillions of maps for the game already.
Not him, but are you including the workshop maps or something? There really aren't that many in-game.

Not that it's a problem to me. I usually just find a map I like and replay it a thousand times (Jalaganda Lowlands, Into The Breech), although the current lack of variety of what we have currently (the same 3 lane schtick in a dozen different angles) means I haven't settled yet.

On the plus side, they said they redid all of them for annihilation mode, so maybe something more interesting will be shaken out finally.

>>380966743
you have to find fun in the game, not just through winning. Competitivefags by definition seek out competition, and that means losing a lot.
Tryhards and statwhores are no different in mindset to you, just slightly more successful. And it will stay that way as long as you hate losing.

>>380968108
>but are you including the workshop maps or something

Yes. People have successfully converted about 30 of DoW1's maps by the first week and the last time I cheked, they had over a hundred of them redone in pretty good quality.

Considering these maps are practically identical to the ones found in DoW1, I don't see why wouldn't you consider them a part of the game. Especially now that you can play Annihilation... it's downright too much like DoW1 at that point.

>>380968308
>now
Two more days, nyukka.

>>380968308
>it's downright too much like DoW1 at that point.
Apart from the fact DoW1 has good gameplay and DoW3 doesnt

Dont you love that RTS threads used to be great until you 3 faggots turned out. Go make your own DoW3 threads, its not even a real RTS at this point.

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>>380968308
>Dow 3 is too much like dow 1

>>380966282
its not actually that bad, we had a thread today and most people were okay with warhammer

some complaining about dlc but thats to be expected when your game is $60 and so is your dlc

>>380968075
Sorry, I'm new to these threads, is broodwar not allowed here?

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>tfw Steel Division doesn't have more players

>>380968308
>Especially now that you can play Annihilation... it's downright too much like DoW1 at that point.
You really tussled my jimmies with that shitpost

>>380968569
Get used to 4chan, kiddo. [Thing You Like] will be insulted and shouted out by person who doesn't like [Thing] no matter if its relevant or not.

>>380968582
>hey you know what would be fun
>running up 10 to 15 units and sitting them in bushes for 30 to 60 minutes
>yeah, that would be awesome
I would rather smash my 10 shermans into a German anus in CoH1, which is what everyone else does too.

Wargame has always traded too much fun for shitty micro management.