This is the saddest scene in Kingdom Hearts. Prove me wrong.

>>380910494
The saddest scene is the start menu because it means i have to play kingdom hearts

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>>380910494
Days was pretty fucking depressing too.
The KH2 prologue right after finishing Days is the saddest fucking thing ever.

>>380910494
The ending of 1 is always melancholic. I know a lot of the Roxas stuff is too.

>>380910494
LOOKS LIKE MY SUMMER VACATION..
*Record scratch*
..IS OVER!!

>>380910691
fpbp

It's the saddest scene because you resume playing an awful game after finishing the fantastic prologue.

Roxas is made for bullying and the organization are the biggest dindus in any fanbase in existence.

>>380911563
the prologue is easily the worst part of the game though

>>380910691
Never understood the love for these shitty games

You know what's the worst part? The real versions of his friends don't even know him. Its going to be heart breaking seeing him go back to Twilight town and meeting them.

>>380911728
okay

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>>380910494
Sorry but saddest moment goes to this whole world.

It was at this point you really reflected on what you were doing with your life and were saddened to figure out that here you were wasting what life you have sat in your room playing a children Disney rhythm game.

Thats the real sad part.

>>380910494
"Looks like this is my... Final Fantasy™"
What did they mean by this /v/?

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>>380911734

That's not true. They meet a bunch of times in Days while he was still in the Organization.

Which explains how they recognized Sora in the real Twilight Town in the beginning of KH2.

>>380911992
Not really. I was still basically a child when I went through the world.

>>380911992
ok debbie downer

>>380912151
>those graphics

>>380912224
>basically a child
so a manchild then?

>>380912365

>stretched upscaled DS game

>>380912365
>caring about muh graphics
wow, this is what gaming has devolved into

>>380912371
More like 12 or 13.

I'm interested in Kingdom Hearts because I like ARPGs with a focus on storytelling, but it seems too silly.
Not like the characters act too silly but the premise of Final Fantasy interacting with Disney characters seems too silly.

Is it a fun game, a serious and interesting game, a good mix of fun and serious, or is it just a mess of tie-ins held together by a nonsensical story?

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>children's game about Disney characters meeting final fantasy
>sad
Yeah okay

>>380913910
>Game sets up this character and has you experience their triumphs
>Game retcons them out of existence in favor of a clown-shoed retard with no redeeming values voiced by a dude with a really weird face

>>380915235
>Implying that voice isn't perfect for Sora

His voice is actually really fucking good in KH2.

>>380910691
this

>>380911005
Why was it depressing? It's been a while, but wasn't it just you and Axel broing it up doing random requests?

>>380915902
The whole game is about Roxas and Xion knowing nothing about themselves, slowly learning about their existence and the world around them, then having the little happiness they had ripped from them. All Roxas knows is literally suffering, then when he finally finds happiness he has to escape for his life, then gets captured, brainwashed, then finds out he isn't even supposed to exist.

No, the saddest thing was playing KH1 and then needing a GBA to play CoM to understand part of KH2 plot and who was that blond chick in the white rooms or why Sora was slepping.
The saddest is how for years you need a bunch of devices to understand "muh darkness and muh light, ha-ha". Even mobile phone game is necessary for some shit.

>>380910494

Correct.

It's closely followed by the end of KH1 and the ending of Chain of Memories, though.

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>>380916097
>xion
Who the fuck is that?

>>380913608

It's a very fun game, though I'd say the first game didn't age as well as the rest.

It's a good mix of fun and serious, the game does great with conveying when something is serious and when something is silly.

As for the story, it does make sense, it's just hard to follow when you connect it all together. At the end of the day, most people just recommend playing each game and enjoying the separate story in that game. Connecting the entire series together is a mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anqS-YA3v-g

This is the saddest scene.
Then followed by the Roxas and Axel scene at the end of KH2 where they are in "heaven" and say goodbye to each other.

>>380916642
>That scene
Muh tears

>>380911728
They're autist bait.

>>380910494
it's actually the happiest scene because it means the two hour tutorial is over

>>380913608
>but the premise of Final Fantasy interacting with Disney characters seems too silly.
Well don't worry because the disney character don't do anything relevant and the final fantasy characters stopped existing
it's all about the OCs now

>>380911992
THE SEAWEED IS ALWAYS GREENER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F18yK-UmYWo

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>>380910494

>>380916741
>tripfag likes KH.
No surprise.

>>380916305
A Nobody made from Sora's vision of Kairi. She was made to learn the abilities of Roxas so that they would have a puppet completely untied from Sora. But Xion started seeping memories from Roxas and claiming them as her own, which was affecting Sora while he was trying to regain his fractured memory and wake up. So Riku interferes and helps Xion understand that she is Sora and Sora is the good guy so she sacrifices herself and her relationships with Axel and Roxas for the greater good. Roxas then goes a bit mad and tries to get her back by making himself to be a better version of Sora and get the Kingdom Heart up and running, Riku/Ansem stops him and DiZ brainwashes him.

Days was actually such a sad and dark turn for the series.

>>380919145
That post was a joke.
But yeah, Days was so damn depressing.

>>380911992
I want to know what micro-dicked nip thought this world was a good idea. "Hm the only thing worth while in this game is the combat...let's make a singing QTE cringe fest of a world that you need to re-visit THREE FUCKING TIMES." Two bombs weren't nearly enough.

>>380920369
>need
Nigger Atlantica is 100% optional in every game it's in.
The only worthwhile things you get out of it in 2 are an Orichalcum+ for Ultima Weapon and the fact that you have to play it to unlock Lingering Will.

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>>380911992
Thread theme:
https://youtu.be/LKyMuuY_lTA

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There's actually subtle implications that you're really playing as Kairi for the entirety of KH1 because Sora has her heart

And by subtle I mean holy shit is it blatant, but only when you realize the implications of that for Sora.

Spec Ops the line level shit my nigga

>>380920759
but muh completion

>>380920759
And I want Ultima Weapon you double nigger.

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>>380911728
As a kid I was into the first game legitimately. At some point I grew out of how ridiculous the plot became.

Then I grew back into how ridiculous the plot became. There's an enjoyment to be had from how retarded it is.

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>>380921056
It's not retarded, it's actually completely mind blowing and set up to be that way from the very first game.

From "Hey Sora can you get me a rope, cloth, and a log so I can fucking hang myself" to Clayton the Hunter literally just trying to help the whole time.

>>380921049
Then just fucking play it. It's literally the world's EASIEST rhythm game, so if the second hand embarassment is too bad then just play it with the sound off.
Or you could just all-out embrace the Finny Fun like speedrunners do.

>>380922124
And this isn't some MattPatt headcanon either - go back to KH1 and actually talk to Wakka, Tidus, and Selphie instead of fighting them. They imply Riku is on the verge of suicide.

Then you get into Birth By Sleep and it just gets existential.

Also
>Hey this fruit binds whoever shares it to another person for all eternity
>Kairi never gives consent to it

>>380910494
Too bad the rest of the story comes nowhere to being as emotional.

>>380922327
that shit was for the raft.

>>380922327
I don't remember Riku requesting any of that stuff, it was Kairi who sent you out to get supplies

>>380910494
the saddest thing about kingdom hearts is that it actually exists

>>380922915
Riku has it too.

Wakka: "Riku just seems to stare off into the ocean these days. Sometimes you can't even get his attention if you shout."

Riku: "I'm not afraid of "the darkness."

Basically, if the darkness represents the unknown, what is the ULTIMATE unknown?

>>380910494
HAYNER

>>380923212
PENCE

>>380923364
OMELETTE

>>380923139
None of that implies suicide and no he doesn't request any items from you on the island. Also the first thing that pops up when I look up kingdom hearts riku suicide is a shit fanficiton page.

>>380923472
Are you trying to use fanfiction as an argument to invalidate fanfiction?

>>380923405
Her design is maximum qt

>>380922209
Listen here you triple nigger. It might be the easiest but it has no place in the game period.

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>>380910494
Did Roxas ever interact with the real Hayner, Pence, and Ollete? I always found it funny how when Sora first meets them its almost as if they felt the presence of Roxas.

>>380924539
i think he's trying to tell you that its just fanfaction
shit like riku staring into the sea isnt suicide its him longing for something more then just the island
and no death isnt the answer
he's not afraid of darkness because he's ready to die its because its offering power

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NOW SORA, LET'S CLOSE THIS DOOR FOR GOOD!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7IaxHtraP0 starts playing
I always tear up during this scene.

>>380925790
Disregard I cannot read the fucking thread

>>380922124
>From "Hey Sora can you get me a rope, cloth, and a log so I can fucking hang myself" to Clayton the Hunter literally just trying to help the whole time.

Holy fuck, I laughed so hard.

>>380925790
Unless he did in Days, I don't think he ever did.

He might've said a line of dialogue to them in Days but he never actually formed a friendship or any sort of relationship with the real ones, only the fake ones in the fake Twilight Town.

>>380926004
>mfw I didn't realize 2.8 was right before that scene until it actually happened

>>380911728
i guess kids can relate to playign with different asffd afad so yeah

>>380926181
I loved how they show that time in the Darkness doesn't correlate to the realm of light, unless the game itself is a summary of Aqua's time.

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>I'll come back to you! I promise!
>I know you will!
>WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>380926363
YOU DONT HEAR ME SAY

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>>380910691
>>380911728
>pssh... disney? i'm too mature for that kids stuff...

>>380926442
PLAYSTATION HAS NO GAMES

>>380926151
I read around that Hayner just recognized that Sora and Roxas had a similar face.

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>>380926325
Its definitely a summary. Before gameplay begins, she says she's been traversing the realm for ages.

>That scene where Mickey appears to aide Aqua and tells her the "monsters of darkness" are called Heartless
>That 10/10 track starts playing
So good

>>380917590
This. AquaxSora when?

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>Wondering why he exists
>Loses a person he loves
>Learns that he's just an empty shell
>Brainwashed into believing he was living a normal life

Why couldn't we protect this smile

>>380910494
Can someone remind me again what a nobody was suppose to be? That is what Roxas was right? Meaning he wasn't real right?

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>>380911992

>dad actually walked in
>he had to come in to get clothes out of the wardrobe and get dressed after taking a shower because house remodeling and my room was closest so yes he was naked

Normally I'd pause the game, but I remember suddenly being unable to in this instance.

I still want to shrivel up and die to this day.

>>380927076
Their supposed to be the empty shell when the heart is taken away.

But apparently everyone in the Organization actually has one.

>>380927160
Wait they weren't suppose to have one?

>>380927263
In KH2 you're told they are Nobodies which may seem like they shouldn't have hearts.

It isn't exactly explicitly said until later.

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>>380910691
there is no way I could respect anyone who played any of the sequels
The Disney/FF gimmick got old really quick.

>>380927061
he was a boring character anyway

>>380927347
The Disney background is essentially useless in the later games anyways

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>>380927061
So sad

>>380927347
>The Disney/FF gimmick got old really quick.
You mean that thing that barely happens except for key moments and Hollow Bastion?

>>380920838
Can you elaborate? Sounds like a neat theory.

>>380928052
>everybody was dead the whole time
>neat

>>380927160
>>380927160
>>380927263

It's stated in DDD that Nobodies have the potential to eventually "grow" their own heart.

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>>380926713

>>380926505
>implying Disney is the bad part of KH

>>380928167
>>380927160
>>380927263
They have the potential to grow one but the Organization keeps it subdued so there is more room for the Xehanort heart to grow. If they acquire their own, they become useless to him.

>>380911992
>your room playing a children Disney rhythm game.
Well considering I was literally 11 I doubt this epiphany really hurt at the time.

>>380910494
EASY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yQioUhk9E

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>>380910494
The saddest thing about that part is that I realized I would have to play the rest of the game as dumbass Sora, instead of superior Roxas.
Seriously, playing as Roxas, dual wielding keyblades, hanging out with your three HUMAN friends, walking around the comfiest town in the series, fighting in the tournament against FF characters, etc.
Easily the best part of the game.

>>380928993
Not to mention skateboarding, mini games and ice cream.

>>380911992
I don't get why people got so bothered by that part.
All I did was finish it and move on to next world.
Its literally just a minigame.

>>380930075
>skateboarding that sora has
>mini games that sora has

honestly I cant for the life of me think of anything that the intro does that doesnt suck complete shit

>>380930291
People just have to learn to accept it and sing along instead of being faggots about it.

>>380930075
Shit I forgot about the skateboarding.

>>380928993
Yeah I enjoyed boring minigames and mashing basic combos against simplistic enemies more than the Data battles
>namefags

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is it easy to emulate ps2? i miss playing kh hearts and gow of war

please respond

>>380931137
Sure. Make sure you get the Final Mix versions, there are English patches

>>380928503
remove your trip you autistic retard this is an anonymous imageboard

>>380931180
can i play final mix with japanese audio? also i hear configurating the ps2 emulator is a pain

>>380931307
I don't think so, they both use English VA. You don't have to configure anything for the KH games

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>>380931137
Yep, the KH series emulates perfectly with the ps2 emulator.

>>380911992
>Not turning up the volume and singing along with it
Life is more fun when you stop 'cringing' at every little thing and start to enjoy it

>>380931523
>>380931546
is there an emulator i can pick up and play without screwing around with anything

also are there good ps3/ wii u emulators?

the pc can handle it im just too dumb to configurate them

>>380910494
No, I wouldn't say so. It's sad but only when you consider context and after spending more time with Roxas in days.

But then I'd say that Xion disappearing, everything at the end of BbS, and even the end of KH1 is sadder.

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>>380931817
No good ps3 emulator and the Wii U emulator can barely run anything besides BotW.

>>380911992
Psh I played this with my GF, we laughed through it no regrets.

>>380931971
botw is the only thing i want to play on it anyway

>>380910494
This part hit me like a ton of bricks because I hadn't played CoM so I was just as confused as Roxas was.

Am I the only one who hates the start of KH1 because Sora is such a cuck compared to Rikku whos gonna give Kairi that bomb ass star fruit shit

>>380932274
Yeah CoM was almost a little too relevant for being a side GBA title, 358/2 days also makes the whole beginning section of 2 feel way different. I wish KH wasn't so fuckin bizarre in releases and plot.

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>yfw TWO?!

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>>380910494

i started liking sora after the fight against cerberus where aaron tags along

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>>380925651
such a qt

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>>380912478
It doesn't look any better on DS. Days is a fucking eyesore.

Meanwhile, a better game thought to compress hi-res renders for sprite-based story scenes.

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>>380913608
>Is it a fun game, a serious and interesting game, a good mix of fun and serious, or is it just a mess of tie-ins held together by a nonsensical story?
Yes.

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What order should you play KH in if you want it to make sense?

>>380910494
WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

>>380933589
>this boat runs on happy faces
Just realized that was a callback to the beginning.

>>380928052
A neat theory, huh? Wouldn't that be more of a GAAAAAAMME THEORY

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>>380916642
>the character literally created to die at the end dies
How did anyone think this was anything other than bait

It's so fucking obvious. If you didn't spend 30 hours of that game thinking "Xion's gonna die at some point huh," you might be stupid.

>>380935463
Release

>>380935695

usually the power of friendship prevents stuff like that

>>380935463
Release order always.

>>380935847
>that back of the box tagline
>the fourteenth member of Organization XIII
>no record of her in KHII, the immediate chronological follow-up
She had "I'm gonna die soon" written all over her

>>380935695
>they're gonna bring the character created to die back to life in KH3
gay cop out
xion is cute at least but roxasfags should hang themselves

>>380910691
>>380911415
>>380911728
what a shitty ass start for me opening this thread. hang yourselves

>Can't go into his Twilight Town
Didn't it say something about feeling right? That was neato

>>380936474
I like KH but you were kinda asking for it making such a shitty thread

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>>380910494
So apparently these fuckers stayed loyal to Roxas after he left the Organization. Am I the only one who wished he used them more? Like personally sent them after Xion during one the many times she went missing, or had them help him escape the World that Never Was in a sort of kickass Nobody civil war?

>>380936820
i didnt make it. i literally just said i opened it

>>380937137
>stayed loyal to Roxas
So why are they attacking me?

>Had a bunch of friends on a webcomic host who were also into Kingdom Hearts, where we had fun making lelrandum sprite comics
>Haven't spoken to them in years
I want to go back. Back to the past

>>380936402
Her entire life was suffering, she deserves it.

>>380937274
>So why are they attacking me?
Why is Roxas?

>>380937297
>Kingdom Hearts
>sprite comics
Wasn't Ansem Retort, was it?

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>>380910691
The start menu unironically makes me sad because of the music. This shit is fucking beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQuBBBzx-I

>>380937414
No. I didn't even know it existed at the time.

>>380937434
Kingdom Hearts has great music. Riku and Roxas have great character themes, and Sanctuary is a great opening.

>>380935639

go away matpat

>>380911992
Still better than the bullshit that was the combat in 1's atlantica

>>380935463
Playing it in any order other than release will cause the plot to make 0 sense.

>>380911992
>not singing along to under the sea
That was my jam.

>>380911992
What's sad is that you couldn't figure out to just mute the damn TV.

>>380911992
>Sora bonds with Ariel and his friends to get stronger and hope to find Riku and Mickey
seems ok to me desu

>>380926181
>They actually bothered to explain why he wasn't wearing a shirt at the end of KH1

He's Mickey Mouse. Can't people just accept him not wearing a shirt?

>>380910691
That's LITERALLY correct though

Kingdom Hearts 2 has one of the best start menus of all time

I am so baffled by how ridiculously overcomplicated a story like this can be. It's made even worse by the fact that the Disney stuff would imply that the story should be easy enough to get into and enjoy, but they took the Final Fantasy route and just went nuts with a million different games on a million different systems telling a maddening story.

>>380942446
>with a million different games on a million different systems

To be fair, they're all on one system now basically, due to the HD Collections now.

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>>380910494
>goofy gets hit by a rock on the head and mickey vows for revenge in KH2
>Sora literally kills himself in KH1
>Axel sacrificing himself to save Roxas/Sora
>Axel vowing to bring Xion and Roxas back no matter how many times they escape in days
>Xion final fight
>Riku closing the door and Sora being separated from Kairi at the ending of kh1 because FUCK HAPPY ENDINGS
>Terra vs Xehanort
>Aqua putting hiding vens body and her vow to save him and Terra
>Riku replicas arc and death
>ENTIRE FUCKING DDD

I could go on forever, why is kingdom hearts full of sad fucking moments?
Why do half the games don't have a happy ending?

This is supposed to be a happy go lucky disney game, why the fuck are they all so sad and tormented.

Is kh3 going to redeem them and give us a happy closure for once? fuck.

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>>380933174
TWOOO KEEEYBLADES?

>>380942881
I was waiting for this

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>>380942528
Except you now also need the shitty mobile game because its story is actually important and not covered elsewhere.

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>>380921056
Wait, it has a plot? I thought they were just making shit up on the spot as the games went along.

>>380943076
or you can fucking read it on wiki and fuck off

>>380942724
cringe

>>380942724
lets be real kh3 is going to end bitter sweet

>>380942057
Try telling that to those that wondered where Lingering Will got the Cape from. Sometimes Autism must be satisfied.
Still, the shoes didn't change.

>>380943076
Why's the Kid in Kingdom Hearts?
Is Caelondia a world now?

>>380943218
get the fuck out you cod shitter

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>>380916097
>>380919145
>they don't know
>they explained that which doesn't exist
>mfw

So is Kairi gonna be a playable character in KH3? What is her fighting style going to be?

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>>380942724
>this is supposed to be a(..)disney game
Anon, that's exactly why it's got this shit.
Also, considering Roxas, Xion, and Ventus are basically all confirmed coming back, things'll get better.
No clue how the fuck Xion is coming back, though. Roxas has his own heart and just needs a body, Ventus has a body and a heart but needs his ass woken up, but Xion was flat-out erased because she literally didn't exist as anything but a doll filled with another guy's memories.
>>380933174
>KH3 has occasional comic relief bits
>Lea shows up to a meetup with everyone else
>Roxas and Ventus are chatting it up
>TWO

>>380943316
KH games are some of my favorites but reading shit like that really reminds me why the fanbase has a bad reputation

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>>380910494
Kingdom hearts is faggot shit

>>380943478
I hope to god lea losing it over ven and roxas
i just want kh3 just for that alone

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>>380942724
Probably nobody will agree with me, but the "thank you" in Re:coded gets to me

>the only closure Naminé gets is by proxy through her data ghost, delivered by another data ghost
Why is she so suffering?

>>380943641
KH3 has equal potential for great comedy and great suffering moments.
>Roxas, Lea, and Riku getting grouped up on a team and dealing with awkward moments constantly as a result
>girl shenanigans with Xion, Kairi, and Aqua
>Roxas, Donald, and Goofy on a team
I also love the idea that someone posted in a thread where ALL of the Org XIII members came back, but the ones who didn't get stuck with Xemnas just went and said "fuck that" to all this darkness/light shit and are now minor NPCs.
>Luxord runs a gambling minigame
>Demyx is a busker in one of the worlds
>Vexen helps moogles with item synthesis

>>380943478
>No clue how the fuck ---- is coming back, though.
Kingdom Hearts is the analytic philosopher's wet dream, where ideas refer to things that exist, and the reference gives credence to the idea. So ---- will come back because memories are real, so even though Roxas and Lea have gotten separated from their memories of her, those memories just need to get reasserted. Like, this shit has been going on since Chain of Memories.

Anyone else wants DLC playable characters after release?

Like Roxas, Ven, Riku, Axel, Aqua, Kairi etc.

I understand that it will be difficult to have more than one playable character at release since this is a full blown console KH unlike the handheld ones, but i still want more playable characters so DLC is the only way.

Do we have a chance at getting something like this?

>>380944262
that would be too expensive for them to even consider doin it

>>380943175
Even if you're just making shit up as you go, it's still a plot.

>>380944262
Yes. I'd pay 10 bucks per character if I had to, honestly, maybe even 15 if each one was as fleshed out as Sora.
There's probably no chance of it, though.
I remember some anon suggesting a "SORA MUST DIE" mode where instead of playing Sora, you play Sora as a shadow from KH1 with a bit more of a moveset, but your moves all kiiiiinda more or less are still bad. All the cutscenes would be changed to gag cutscenes where everyone desperately tries to stay on script as Shadow-Sora pantomimes his normal lines like it's a Mario RPG.

>>380943076
That's a what the X movie is for in 2.8

>>380944616
Anon, the X movie is additional information about X. It's all new, not a summary like the other movies.
So you need to watch the movie AND have the info from the mobile games.

>>380944210
The only way she can come back is if she grew a heart.

Which is possible, but not necessarily likely. We have no idea how it works for Replicas since the only other example is Riku-Replica.

But even if she did grow a heart, her existence clearly continues to be tied to those memories. She can't be separated from the memories she was created from.

So bringing her back would probably involve fucking Sora up just as he was during Days because of her existence. Which probably won't happen because why would they do that for someone they don't even know?

Beyond all in-universe musings, though, Xion is a character created for a specific purpose.
She is the tragic protagonist. Everything about her builds up to her death. That's why she was written.

Bringing her back is a betrayal of her purpose as a character, and retroactively reduces the significance of that purpose within the context of Days.

>>380944616
Back Cover isn't even a complete story for season one, let alone covering season two which hadn't even started when 2.8 launched.

>>380911992
>played this world multiple times as a kid
>just think its not a big deal because its fucking Disney so of course the musical numbers would be like that and only a moron would feel emasculated
>have fun
Not even joking, I don't get the hate for this world besides the lack of a proper overworld

>>380945010
Probably because TLM has some of the worst fucking songs from that era of Disney.
Like, yeah, Part of Your World is good, but finny fun can go finny fuck itself with that staccato shit.

>>380911728
I enjoyed them as a kid because the combat was engaging and the games are long and filled with interesting items, powerups, and things to explore. I know it's shitty now too, but the general vibe of the first game was melancholic and hopeful and I had fun with the story although I had no interest in donald or goofy. The second game is just much more fast pace in combat and had plenty of great moments throughout the game, but the long intro gets me worn out any time I try to even replay it. Writing is just awful and I'm okay with that.

>>380945369
Why wouldn't you have a save file after the intro for replays?

>>380910494
happiest scene because that godaawful way too long fucking tutorial is finally over

>>380945369
>long intro
I'm sorry, man, but seriously? You can beat Roxas's intro in like 30-45 minutes, maybe an hour or two if you go slow and REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want that extra AP from doing the part time jobs.

>>380945010
It's all because of one little phrase

Are ya winnin', son?

If that never happened to you, you probably don't hate Atlantica.

You know what I wanted? I wanted Disney characters interacting with each other from different movie worlds. But you know what we get? We get your standard convulted jrpg times 10. The Disney characters take a back seat to crazy belt wearing character number 1 then crazy belt wearing character number 2 etc etc etc, and by the way the main villian is like 20 different people at the same time and then also sora is also roxas somehow at some point because for some reason?

>>380928993
I agree. Something about the Roxas segment was really good.
I'd call it better "directed" than the rest of the game because everything feels very intentional and purpose-driven for the sake of developing it's themes and story.
Even the dumb little mini games serve this purpose of feeling fondness for Roxas's friends and simple life.

Pacing feels subdued and laid-back but throws these moments of great pay-off at you in the form of the boss fights.
Slowly unraveling the mystery of the nobodies and mansion, and Roxas's connection to Sora.

Everything feels reminiscent of KH1's intro. They manage to capture a feeling of different yet eerily similar really well.
The Twilight Thorn boss battle is meant to evoke déjà vu of Darkside but immediately subverts your expectations by throwing you into the more cinematic KH2 style of boss fight.

It kind of reminds me of why I like the Midgar segment of FFVII so much and kind of wish the entire game were similarly tightly scripted.

It has been like 10 years since I played KH2 though so.

>>380945624
Disney enforced the "separate worlds" thing. Square didn't have a choice about that.

>>380944868
On one hand, I'm not going to defend the wackadoodle ontology of Kingdom Hearts, because I'm not into analytic philosophy. At the same time, it's been going more toward the idea that a heart is one's connectedness with others, and bracketing the question, connectedness with what, connections all the way down? At least so far, ---- has only appeared as memories, though of course, as new memories.
Likewise, it was obvious to me playing Days that, if the setting were "real," then obviously the Nobodies actually had hearts. They just don't act like people without emotions---which is a real thing, and people with those kinds of conditions are far more dysfunctional than you'd expect. But the Nobodies' reactions were way too emotive, and I suspect 3D retconned it because it had become untenable even for the aforementioned wackadoodle ontology.
So I guess I won't be surprised for ---- to return, just because it's the natural outgrowth of the plot kudzu. And, as always happens with this series, the ontology will change to keep up with the retcons.

>Bringing her back is a betrayal of her purpose as a character, and retroactively reduces the significance of that purpose within the context of Days.
This part I completely agree with. But since ---- is the character in the prequel that you've never met, her death (or whatever) was on the wall the whole time. I was much more affected by the parts after that, where Roxas wants to set things right and Riku doesn't think that's such a good idea, and then Roxas wakes up in the fake Twilight Town with vague memories of having brown hair.

>>380945624
>hercules world again, at least we get to see underworld and sh-
>"No wonder no one wants to die"
>Auron gets introduced laying the sickest fucking burn on the king of the afterlife
We need more of this kind of shit

>>380915235
i hope roxas is playable in kh3

>>380945739
I think the main reason why I like Roxas so much is because he's the first character I've seen get FUCKING PISSED in a JRPG rather than just go full angst mode. And it's entirely justified, too.
>only member of the org to not have a damn clue about his origins
>only gets maybe a couple months of happiness before xion starts getting fucked up and riku jumps in
>xion dies
>roxas goes fucking nuclear, nearly wins against riku before riku uses the secret code "up up down down EVEN IF IT CHANGES ME FOREVER"
>gets about three days (with a percieved whole life due to diz being an ass) of an actually normal life in the KH series
>whoops actually your whole life was a simulation and none of this was real
>smashes the fuck out of the computer, then fades into sora
>bides his time, becomes way better at actually using the keyblade and fighting because he learns all sorts of powers and skills that're way better than sora's as a whole
>kicks sora's shit in in sora's own heart
>decides not to actually kill sora
>sora takes the most pussy bitch cheap shot in the whole series and wins
>roxas has to fade again
And only now does sora think "HMM MAYBE I SHOULD FIX THIS" after Roxas dumping all his memories into Sora during DDD.

>>380945809
>I suspect 3D retconned it because it had become untenable
Well, no, it's not really a retcon.

In KHII it's explained that Nobodies use their memories to approximate emotions. But lacking hearts, they're only approximations.

In DDD it's only laid out plainly, but you can observe the concept in action as far back as CoM.
In proper conditions (such as interacting with hearts), the Nobody can foster the growth of a heart. Xemnas also mentions the action of producing a "spark of emotion" from using memories, which can lead to the birth of a heart.

Knowing this, it makes more sense that Xemnas would forbid the Organization to interact with denizens of the worlds, who had hearts. He needed to keep them empty so that they could become vessels.

Nobodies, by default, have no hearts, but by nature yearn for them and internally grind the production of one.
This connects to the idea that you can't exist without a heart (hence "Nobody"). Even the things that don't exist will fight their way into existence.

>>380946380
>he's the first character I've seen get FUCKING PISSED in a JRPG
underage pls

>>380945624
I just want Disney worlds that don't feel like slapped together at the last minute and completely devoid of life. I don't think they've managed to accomplish this once in the whole entire series outside of maybe the 100 Acre wood.

So we can all agree that Birth By Sleep was when the story went full retard right? If you only consider 1 CoM and 2 it still makes kind of sense, its when they introduced the three keyblade wielders and old man Xehanort that things got out of hand

>>38094648
KH2 is over a decade old, anon. If someone played KH2 when they were 10, they would be 22 or so now.

>>380946380
>he's the first character I've seen get FUCKING PISSED in a JRPG
As a fellow KHfag I'm going to have to ask you to stop. You are only reinforcing the stereotypes

>>380910494
Sad? No, Confusing as fuck because I didn't play a fucking GBA game? Yes.

>>380946679
It's kinda hilarious to think about. It's a non-factor today because of all the ports, ROMs and story summaries being widespread, but back then in 2005 you literally had to play a GBA game to understand the story of a sequel to a PS2 game.

>>380946580
What was the full retard part? It's pretty straightforward and does a few things to make the earlier stories clearer.

>>380946880
I mean, I never played the GBA version. Re:CoM actually came out on the PS2 in english.

>>380947073
3 years after KH2. I'm talking about the people playing it at release

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i hate you all im playing this fucking game again because of this thread

>>380947153
Oh. Well, yeah, I guess that's true. They did have the character summaries and Ansem Reports and stuff to help out, though.
>>380947206
That'd better be KHFM, motherfucker.

>>380946380
>because he's the first character I've seen get FUCKING PISSED in a JRPG
Clearly you missed some choice moments in FFVI

>>380947267
im to poor to get the 1.5+2.5 right now
forgive me anon

>>380946442
>In KHII it's explained that Nobodies use their memories to approximate emotions.
That theory sort of fell apart with Roxas and ----, who both have spotty-to-nonexistent memories of the times before but still act in a way suggestive of emotions. I'm not Nomura or anything, but I think the only plausible explanation for 3D having Nobodies ackshully having/getting hearts is because he realized he'd totally failed at delivering on the premise of emotionless husks.
That is, I call it a retcon because, as you point out, there was an explanation offered for the behavior of the Nobodies that ended up not being the case.

>This connects to the idea that you can't exist without a heart (hence "Nobody"). Even the things that don't exist will fight their way into existence.
Obviously not, because something that doesn't exist can't do anything, that's sort of what it means to not exist. But if you create a setting where ideas have existence in themselves, then the sky's the limit on insane bullshit.
I guess I should also point out, I can only see fiction as the work of its creators, as a sort of psychological or sociological commentary on writers. Which is why I don't have a strong feeling for canon or consistency, nor do I really think those things are what stories are about. If you search for anticipations of a retcon in the earlier works, you can generally find them, because most stories are complex enough for that. But I don't think that's because the change was actually anticipated.

>>380947335
It's hard to "see" a bunch of pixelated sprites

>>380946442
>Somebody who pays attention
This is so rare in KH threads it hurts.

>>380910494
the saddest scene is seeing someone buy this shit

>>380947341
Anon, there's english patches for emulating the PS2 versions.

>>380947375
Then get your eyes checked, faggot

>>380947414
its too late i'm not redownloading it

>>380947356
Roxas was gonna be able to emote no matter what because he had a heart the entire time. It was Ven's heart, as confirmed by the Ultimania, so he's not the best example for you to use.

>>380947413
That's KH2 though.

>>380947356
>That theory sort of fell apart with Roxas
Roxas has a heart though. It's not his, but it's sitting right there inside of him.

>I can only see fiction as the work of its creators, as a sort of psychological or sociological commentary on writers.
That's really pretentious, anon

>>380947620
The way he phrased it sounds "pretentious" but it's pretty obvious, all writing is an extension of the person behind it. Even if subconciously, all writers are profiling themselves when putting pen to paper. This is why shit like "canonicity" or logically consistent plot isn't valued at all in literature as much as what the writing is saying thematically.

Though I don't get how this owuld apply to games which are mostly created by a committee even if they have script writers.

>>380947889
>his is why shit like "canonicity" or logically consistent plot isn't valued at all in literature as much as what the writing is saying thematically.
This is why I hate literature communities.

They take the art of storytelling and throw out the storytelling.

>>380910494
>kingdom hearts
more like kingdom FARTS amirite? ha ha!

someone kill me

>>380948047
Stories are about messages and ideas, not "X happened which led to Y and then this PLOT TWIST changed everything which led to Z"

>>380947620
>It's not his
Roxas doesn't have Ventus's heart you retard. They're seperate people.
Unless you meant Sora's but that's also wrong.

>>380927123
Dad made fun of me when he saw me playing a Little Mermaid rhythm game

>>380945010
> I was raised by a single mom: the post

>>380948169
Stories are about the story. Fuck you and your pretentious "but what did they REALLY mean?" pontificating.

There is an art to creating a world and characters, a skill in crafting fiction that you're completely condemning just to stroke your intellectual ego.

>>380947534
>>380947620
Another pretty heinous retcon, which seems to be entirely about explaining why Roxas was blond (which, itself, seems to have been about preserving the twist). So, while Roxas may or may not have had someone else's heart in Days (it's a bit hard to say since Days came out first, and nothing in Days or Sleep themselves suggest he has Ventus' heart), he definitely didn't have someone else's heart in the KH2 prologue. But more to the point, the Nobodies never delivered on being the nobodies we were told to expect, and them actually having hearts by 3D makes sense as an outgrowth of that dissonance.

>>380948047
Expecting a story to be a progression of happenings throws out the storytelling. You're thinking of algorithms.

>>380948552
I'm really not a worldbuilding-for-its-own-sake person in general - like, there are whole swathes of fantasy literature I'll never get into because they just feel like vehicles for maps and magical programming systems, and I found the Silmarillion one of the most tedious reads I've ever forced myself through.

But that said, I think worldbuilding can be compelling to me if it's integrated with not just themes or characters, but also with the fundamentals of the narrative, the dramatic highlights, or the overall tone. But however it's used, I generally want worldbuilding to have more of a reason to exist than just being blocks of text - worldbuilding that's just stats and minutia feels like narrative-killing fanservice to me.

>>380948072
are you ok dude?
I mean, if you're fucking around with friends it's ok to pretend to be retarded, but doing it on anonymous image board just looks bad.

>>380948702
>Another pretty heinous retcon, which seems to be entirely about explaining why Roxas was blond
Just because it wasn't immediately explained doesn't mean it was retconned.

>>380926314
are you okay anon

>>380911728
They're fun to play
Not every game has to be some kind of statement about the establishment
Never understood why /v/ just hates games in general

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>>380931971
who else here wants to hatefuck larxene

>>380949286
"They're fun to play" is about as descriptive as "Never understood the love for these shitty games"

>>380949327
i want to have slow happy sex with olette

>>380934556
>post YFW Olette gets proper character development in KH3

>>380910691
these two beat me to it
>>380937434
>>380942128

>>380943551
the bad thing about the KH fanbase isn't the fanbase itself, but the resident shitters who pull the cringe card at every opportunity

>>380949446
dont crush my dreams

>>380949596
THIS!! I CRY EVERYTIM FROM KINGDOM HEARTS ;_; STOP MAKING FUN OF US ;_; ROXAS FROM THE DARKNESS RETURN TO THE LIGHT... PLEASE KAIRI MY WAIFU CHAN

>>380913910
>cartoon about vampires
>taken seriously
it's easy to shit on things

>>380944081
Maybe Xemnas told Xigbar to be the equivalent of a school shooter to get people into the organization, that would explain why idiots like Demyx were chosen

>>380949794
...But literally nobody takes it seriously.

>>380946380
>fucking pissed

https://youtu.be/apzRK-egDjI
https://youtu.be/zi9OL4-j8BE

>>380949425
where the hell are all the KH lewds, there's so much potential but I can barely find any

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>>380950163
lewds?

>>380950163
i looked up aqua once and it was full of giantess art of her feet is was awfull and it makes me sad

>>380950163
>get into a gay series
>expect lewds of the girls
?

What's with all the kingdom hearts threads today?

I've already seen 4 this far

>>380943774
That's my favorite scene in the series. I waited years for that moment, and it didn't disappoint. It helped that Data Sora was closer in characterization to KH1/CoM Sora. KH2 Sora doing it would feel empty.

>>380950431
idk but i become erect when i see one

>>380950431

Correction, 5!
>>380947009
>>380948841
>>380948725
>>380944390
>This one

>>380910691
FPBP

>>380950163
Theres plenty of lewds but its mostly shota shit.

>>380915235
>retcons
I mean, Roxas is still in the game, he exists and shows up later in the game, and BBS gave him even more relevance, so less a retcon and more just part of the story

>>380950431
One autist making threads probably. That or the KH3 trailer genuinely has people playing the series.

>>380950553
like all i want is good aqua handjob pic or something to that effect

>>380950521
You forgot >>380916947

>>380950691
Sounds pretty boring compared to Riku giving Roxas a handjob while Sora watches in jealousy

>>380946380
>Kick's sora's shit
This gets more hilarious the more you think about how hard you can wreck his shit with Limit Form

>>380950784
replace riku with a kh qt and that would be amazing

>>380950835
He's harder on Proud than on Crit. The damage you do isn't enough to cheese him with Limit form.

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>>380950929
>The damage you do isn't enough
It definitely is, you do less damage for sure but that doesn't change the fact that his revenge value during Ars doesn't go up until The End's RC, so you can easily combo into a finisher, pop limit, fire another combo, Ars, combo, Ars, combo then revert and you've got him almost beat already pretty much regardless of difficulty and level.

>>380950957
is... that what i think it is?

>>380950163
I'm guessing you dont JO to shota or gay?
Straight KH lewds are rare because the lack of original fem characters. Kairi isnt that popular among artists due to her dull design and duller personality, and all of the best girls in the main games, yuffie, selphie, aerith, Fuu etc came from their own respective games and have shittons of lewds drawn for them there.

>>380951059
It's just Aquafags

>>380951025
Well yeah, if you know the fucking speed run strat and revenge value quirks. Casually you won't pick up on that.

>>380950896
>kh qt
???

>>380951124
you called

>>380951189
there is really only aqua and olette

>>380951232
your hurting me anon

>hated the GBA game
>they made a 1:1 remake with KH1 assets

>really liked Days
>only port the cutscenes, which were the worst part
Shit

>>380951273
>Aqua exists
I wish Squeenix made the psp games on the ps2 or ps3 instead. I dont play mobileshit

>>380949409
You play them
It's fun
The combat is exciting and fluid
It moves around constantly
Doing combos with magic and keyblade attacks feels great
Is that descriptive enough

>>380951675
well lucky you you can have most of the games on ps4 for 60 bucks

>>380951605
>really liked Days
Me too anon...
Upscaling a DS emulator isn't too bad though.
Too bad most people seemed to hate that game.

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>>380950251
>>380950262
>>380950553
>>380951059

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>>380951675
>I wish Squeenix made the psp games on the ps2 or ps3 instead
Anon...

>>380951680
>that spacing
>post is entirely buzzwords
And I thought KHfags were bad enough already.

>>380951605
But Days' gameplay was complete trash

Re:CoM released before the original Days anyway

>>380951837
im not into assholes

>>380910691
This

Like okay. These games could be fine if they didn't shoehorn Disney shit in them. What the fucking fuck.

>>380910494
The 3 hour tutorial is far more sad and depressing

>>380951990
>3 hour
git gud

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>>380952084
No.. Thanks..?

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>>380952084

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>>380951986
>"What the fucking fuck amarite guys? xDDD"

>>380951986
>shoehorn Disney
>literally the premise was to collaborate with Disney to make a game

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>>380952152
>>380952194

>>380952170
sorry i like noice gals

>>380952084
>>380952170
>roach hair
disgusting

>>380911005
Shut up, Onsokumaru!

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>>380910494
No, the saddest scene in Kingdom Hearts is the continue screen when you die on the last Heartless wave AFTER already beating Demyx.

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>>380952379

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>>380950431
The new trailer dropped last week that probably got the older fans to start playing the series again. Plus KH threads pop up a lot during the late hours.

>>380942128
You're LITERALLY a retard though.

Jesus I'm not even going to elaborate on this one just jesus christ.

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>>380952654
And then you do this. Done?

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>>380952753

>>380910494
I didn't play KH1 before this one so this scene made 0 sense to me

>>380948356
Yes he does, anon. Sora is carrying two hearts, his own and Ven's. When he became a heartless, he lost his own. The nobody inherited the second heart, which is why it was so important to merge Roxas with Sora during the games between KH1 and KH2.

>>380952796
hes fucking dead

>>380952737
>"Psssht that's so stupid I'm not even gonna waste my time elaborating and expressing my incredibly detailed opinion. You just aren't on my level, kid"

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>>380952084
>no KH3 reaction images

mfw

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>>380952084
Personal favorite that generally reflects my outlook on life.

>>380951849
The ps3 version is shit because the drive forms slow the game down. The best way to play is to either emulate and deal with smudgy, stretched out UI or to play the PS4 version.

>>380952919
>The ps3 version is shit because the drive forms slow the game down
I don't think it's a problem if it's modded and "backed up", right?

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>>380952084
Here, have a manga reaction.

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>>380952084
And another.

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>>380952084

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>>380952084

>>380945624
>yfw kh3 has a spirit bomb situation where sora calls on all his friends to help him beat Xehanort including Herc, Aladdin, Beast, and all the Disney characters.

>>380953284
>Donald still won't heal him

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he has arrived

>>380953198
>filename
actually physically kill yourself

>>380953012
It's a problem with the PS3's loading times, so installing directly to the HDD would solve the issue.

>>380953505
Better to get that over with then later.

>>380953529
you cant install 1.5 or 2.5 directly to the HDD

>>380937274
Because Roxas fucking hated Sora for being picked to exist over him, and then he just kinda... embraced death

>>380953810
he is talking about a modded ps3

>>380953810
You're not SUPPOSED to, but that doesn't mean you CAN'T