This blows TF2 out of the water

shame it has the worst playbase of any game

>>380884451
they all came from league

>>380884451
t. TF2 player who can't let go

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>>380884368
nice 8

I like how you didn't mention any gameplay mechanics.

Shows how fucking casual Overwatch fanboys are

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>>380884368
>muh diversity
Are you retarded [spoiler/] ?

>>380884368
>more characters
less available weapons
>more color
because that's all blizzard knows how to do cartoon rip off garbage
>hot girl
Worth a fanfic, worth a fanart, worth sfm porn, not worth playing for this
>>more character diversity (TF2 only has a token black guy and no women)
It's a game, not a political discourse
>>more lively playerbase
For how long though? TF2 lasted over a decade
>TF2 is dead.
You mean dying, and it's entirely because of valve's fault. You can't even play matches anymore because of how they screwed the matchmaking.

>>380884739

if they brought up gameplay they would get btfo by paladongs which is why they don't

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>>380884368
Every game I play doesn't feel fun, even when I win.
>everyone leaves instead of commending people
>everyone says gg even though its a fucking roll
>everyone calls the losing team complete garbage
>no memorable character interactions
>entire game based around chokepoints rather than free movement other than when you play lucio
the game's alright, but this playerbase is 10x worse than anything i ever fucking experience in my 2800 hours of tf2

>>380884368
I notice your points dont have anything to do with actual gameplay.

I wonder why.

Now if ya dont mind, I have a control point to capture while you have a barbie doll simulator

TF2 thread? TF2 thread. Whom do you play as usually? For me its Pyro, Heavy and Demo

>>380884368
TF2 is fundamentally better but Valve has done a shit job at supporting it. Overwatch is overall an okay game but has the misfortune of Blizzard supporting it.

Get whatever enjoyment out of Overwatch while you can, because just like TF2 you're going to be clamoring for the glory days.

>more color
go play mario and zelda
>more character diversity (TF2 only has a token black guy and no women)
oh nevermind its SJW

>>380884368
>>more characters
weapons
>>more color
ok but I prefer the TF2 aesthetic personally
>>hot girl characters
the porn is good but this is almost completely irrelevant
>>more character diversity (TF2 only has a token black guy and no women)
http://niceme.me
>>more lively playerbase
this one is true
>captcha: south ullapool

>>380885784
I play engie because I am real good at surprise sentry spots. Also he's the only one that can use Widowmaker so I gotta get my unlimited shotty going. I used to be real good at demo but for some reason I just can't get those pills to land anymore.

>>380885959
TF2 is also way easier to see what's going on. You can't get lost in any official map unless its steel and you can always tell if the character is on which team despite the amount of retarded cosmetic crap they have on.

>>380886489
>you can always tell if the character is on which team despite the amount of retarded cosmetic crap they have on.
I'm actually pretty impressed that despite all the shit-tier cosmetics they pumped in the game you can still tell player teams and silhouettes apart

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>>380884368
>more characters
More wiggle room for fucked balancing also a lot of the characters are boring as shit and because of the garbage map design characters like Tracer can't be put to their maximum potential because the maps are designed around choke points and not flanking+mobility
>more color
True that
>hot girl characters
Pyro?
>more character diversity (TF2 only has a token black guy and no women)
You have Russians, Australian, Frenchies, Americans, Germans, Scottish and so on, also we have Pyro as our token girl
>more lively playerbase
But no server browser or mods

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>over"lets just keep adding choke points and maybe they'll think we know what we're doing"watch
>over"house in volskaya that serves absolutely no purpose but mysteriously has a large health pack anyway"watch
>over"this hallway that clearly looks like a flanking route just loops back in on the room I was already in"watch
nice thread OP

I don't know what makes TF2 so fun, but it's definitely wasn't competitive mode. Forced competitive in both games just sucks the fun out of it, since it makes you think that winning is important and that you're terrible or your team is terrible for losing. It used to be for me that when you lose it might've been that you're just fooling around, but now your defeat gets rubbed in your face and no one likes losing. Losing in old TF2 didn't matter since the team scores didn't matter.
They should've added competitive matchmaking while leaving Valve servers the way they were.

>>380887530

I like 6v6 elimination in tf2, but obviously 12v12 CP/Payload were better games...

competition is silly, just fuck around for fun. i liked the achievement system in old TF2 also.

>>380884368
>Here's why:
tf2 hasn't had new content in over 3 years
wooooooow, what a surprise.

>>380884368
it's also just straight up a better game than TF2. the only problem I have with it is the autistics in competitive and their forced meta.

>>380884368
>more color

this has to be one of the single most stupid arguments I have ever heard in my life.

Wish it had some mod tools to fuck around with like in Garrysmod or TF2.

TF2 also generally has better maps.

TF2 also has tc_hydro which is one of the best maps ever.
Shame barely anyone plays that gamemode.

>>380884594
There's only 1 game I can't let go.

RTCW / Wolfenstein ET.
The greatest online shooter(s) I've ever played, great maps and never too linear, always room to manoeuvre. Great classes, people actually worked together.
Oh man the maps.
The custom mods and maps were awesome too.
Bace race was awesome too

I downloaded the game again a few months ago but it just hurts that it's pretty much dead now and it will never be great again.
The community is also close to dead.

Maybe I'll just try it one more time for some last fun memories.
I miss the times when an online shooter had maps that were an adventure on their own.

>>380888203
> autistics in competitive and their forced meta
Mostly this, there's just no room to fuck around for fun.
Mutators like reduced cooldown are too lacking.

>>380887530
>but it's definitely wasn't competitive mode
Competitive mode never made any game more fun.

But I guess it's just a product of its time, games are taken more seriously by more now so there's more competitive shit.

As somebody who left TF2 after the Soldier Update that gave him the pick that made him run faster, is it even possible for me to come back and enjoy myself?

>>380888751
Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdPoeHu7OZg

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>playin quickplay
>notice same guy in various instances on other team
>very good but his team is making him lose
>have good group and winning alot
>our team loses our first match out of 10
>about to say hello and invite him to our group
>"SORRY I RAPED YOU SO BAD ANON, GET GOOD.
>guyIwantedtobecoolwith has left the game

If you guys are having a bad losing streak, please don't be that guy.

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>>380884368
That's some nice looking points you've got there, boy. I would even listen to ya, but here's a thing, when I boot up good ol' TF2 from year of 2007 and after 3000 hours I still have fun, but when Overwatch coming up on my screen I get bored after 30 minutes. Strange things happening there, dontcha' think so, boy?

>>380884368
>only 12 players
>no community run servers
>no custom game modes
>no player made maps
>female characters from the sake of waifus
>diversity for the sake of diversity
>overfilled with colour to try and appear unique
>cant run on overclocked hardware
>cant mod whatsoever
theres probably a lot more but thats what i can think off the top of my head

>>380887870
>Fuck around for fun
Exactly. Old TF2 lets you have fun and if you lose while having fun, no one cares since the score tally didn't matter and you'll just get scrambled. You had no consequences for having fun (bar kicks), even if your definition of fun was playing that huntsman you're so terrible at. Now you need to contribute to your team enough to keep a fair fight or you'll be slapped with a leaving team, no one to reinforce your team and a big loser feeling for letting that cart roll while you're in spawn. And no one likes to lose, especially one where they think they're the only one contributing.
>>380888739
>Games are taken more seriously
I wish they weren't, but it's really tough convincing a consumer base that thinks that games need competitive mode and deep exposition cutscenes and walking sequences for games to be good.

>>380884368
I wouldn't say it blows TF2 out of the water.
It takes some of the ideas behind TF2 and iterates upon them

>>380885551
>everyone leaves in stead of commending people
not true
>everyone says gg
not true at all
>everyone calls the losing team complete garbage
not true
>no memorable character interactions
opnion
>entire game based around chokepoints
sounds like you're playing the wrong heroes

I feel like there are certain characters that have way more tools than anybody else that I wish would spread to the other cast. At this rate, Reaper will never get out of his shithole.

MatPat fuck off

>>380885551
I think the problem is that Blizzard hasn't done anything to facilitate an actual community in Overwatch and has been trying as hard as they can to dictate how players play the game (although they've loosened up on this slightly since launch). You look at TF2 and it has custom sprays, custom servers, custom game modes, custom maps, custom characters and character models. All of these allow members of the community to give the game a unique identity.
Hell, Overwatch didn't even have custom servers until recently, and even then they're all still Blizzard owned servers that allow no modding so there's a severe limit to what you can actually do with them and then the server browser is hidden in the corner of the arcade mode screen like it's an afterthought (because it is). When Overwatch does get new "official" game modes it's either a hastily slapped together piece of shit (capture the flag) or a time limited event to get players to buy more loot boxes (Olympics, Halloween, Omnic Crisis). Blizzard cares about two things with Overwatch: make the game as competitive as possible and sell as many loot boxes as possible. So instead of getting players who log in to have fun (like you would in TF2), you have players who log in to play the game super seriously and increase their rank. It just makes for an awful experience the majority of the time, which is a shame because it's a pretty good game.

tf2 = dota 1
overwatch = Heroes of newerth
paladins = league of legends

you know in your heart this comparison is infallible

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>>380889589
lmao @ at this response with no argument