>The game is fun >If it's not fun, why bother? Damn.....

my body was not ready for something that deep......

you'd be surprise how many people fail to comprehend basic logic

Arms has a 77 rating, so why bother with it?

>>380858851
So now Metacritic matters? I'll remember that anon.

Books don't have to be fun. Films don't have to be fun. Video games will continually be held back as long as developers restrict themselves to only making "fun" games.

Story-driven games do not necessarily need to be 'fun' they at least have to be interesting or engaging. Games don't need to be and usually aren't story-driven though so i can sympathize with this point.

Woah...

>>380858940
It sure did matter when botw came out

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Silent Hill 2 isn't "fun," but it is an essential video game experience and among the very best. Reggie is pleb as fuck.

>>380858959
if i'm not enjoying reading a book or watching a movie then I am wasting my time

>>380858991
That's because BOTW is an amazing game, Metacritic is wrong about Arms though.

>>380859083
Maybe you just have shit taste

He's right you know

>>380859062
That's because you're a child. Not all books or movies aim to be "fun" or "enjoyable", some try to tell a story that evokes other emotions.

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>>380859003
>game isn't fun
>but its an essential video game experience

He's completely right.
I play video games for entertainment. If a game is not entertaining, then it has no value to me.

>>380859206
Oh boy it's one of these fags

>>380859062
Hedonism is bad, there are other appeals in life than pure pleasure. Art is a great way to see the world through someone else's perspective, be it through a story, reflections on life or even philosophy. The only appeal of these things aren't necessarily that they're "fun".

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>>380859003
>he didn't have fun playing silent hill 2
>still praises it because other people like it
You're such a fucking poser, holy shit.

>>380859003
Except it is pretty fun.
Horror can be fun.

>>380859083
Agreeing with the other guy. Sounds like you just have incredibly bad taste.

>>380859290
this is the true answer. fun is subjective and the focus should be about the experience.

>>380859003
Cheesy horror is fun
You're just retarded

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>>380858728
PLAY

>>380858728
Sometimes I think Nintendo is stuck in the past. Videogames are now entertainment, there are more reasons to play a videogame now than to have "fun".

>>380858728
Crowbat destroys the industry single-handed and it's glorious to watch this shitshow burn. My stomach hurts so much right...thank you based Crow!

>>380859083
>it only matters when its a game i like

This shit is why i hate you nintendo faggots

>>380858728
Awful suit

>>380859259
It evokes complex feelings and engages you with the world and characters, compelling you as a player to help them and find out more. It can even make you reflect on your own life and the kinds of decisions you've made and their impact on yourself and the ones around you with a new lense.

>>380858728
I have way more fun playing games that aren't on your shitty system, Reggie, thanks for the advice, pizza face.

>>380859003
Fun means you're enjoying the game, not that the content itself is "fun".

>>380859554
None of that matters because the game plays like ass, and therefore is not entertaining.
Sounds like books are more up your alley.

Fun and interesting are the same word in japanese after all.
It just means "something youd rather do over banging rocks together".

>>380859463
you wanna see cheesy horror...ask your mum to put down her pants!

>>380859340
Don't be stupid, he means like a "Wheeeee!!" Kind of fun like a roller coaster. And he's right, it isn't just like sweet candy. It has a lot of texture as far as how it engages you as a player.

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>>380859554
If the game plays like shit, its a shit game.

Fuck off with your feelings and characters.

>>380859660
Oh damn I just got #roasted how wilI ever recover?

>>380859660
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit son

>>380858728
>The fucking 3D artist who just lazily copy pasted the big lamp in the back, scaled it smaller and placed it on the table next to the switch like it would look natural.

>The pole of the small lamp stands out like a sore thumb and its radius is way too small to support the weight of the lamp in a real life situation.

>As soon as my trained eyes saw this I knew the background set had to be a fake and would soon be animated out.

I was not wrong, Nintendo persco 10/10.

>>380859767
No shit dumbass, a GAME obviously has to have good GAMEplay. It's just that sometimes the gameplay is built to immerse you in the world and empathize with the characters rather than just be like amusement park. Not even saying one is better than the other so i don't know what the point is in getting offended.

>>380859767
I don't care, I have fun, didn't you listen to Reggie, you cunt?

>$400 fun for one game, pls donate goy

>>380859660
Op utterly BTFO how will he recover

>>380859206
But I enjoy sad books as much as I enjoy fun books. Are you a special form of idiot?

>>380860026
You seem to be explaining why you're having fun (characters, plot, etc) while saying it's not actually "fun".
If you're not enjoying the game you're playing then why are you playing it?

>>380859648
I have fun while playing, I win, you can go fuck yourself.

>>380859003
why SH2 isn't fun?

>>380860280
it sux

So wait, this whole thread was supposed to be about having fun with games, but suddenly other morals like metacritics and such are being brought up?
If the game is fun for you then thats that, might not be the cup of tea for others, simple as that.
Fun == enjoyment

>>380860067
Not that anon but you must understand just like with books there are different appeals to a medium just like with books which doesn't necessarily put one above the other just like you said

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>>380860042
ok shitposter-kun

>>380859003
You're right about silent hill not being fun. But if the game is not fun then it is not an essential experience. There is literally no point in playing a game that isn't fun. It isn't a game. It's something else that isn't for me and if it's for you that's great but don't call yourself a gamer.

SH2 is overrated garbage just like 95%+ of the PS2's garbage library

>>380858790
Really, honestly this. A vast portion of the games I'be played over the last 10 years alone amount to nothing more than brain-dead, floaty controlled button mashing.

Oh but dem grafiks though, as long as dem grafiks sweet, that's all that matters.

>>380859126
>>380859383
>>380859512
Beware of falseflagging.

>>380860441
So Nintendofags are autistic neckbeards and Sonyfags are murdering edgelords?

>>380858991
So that means that BotW really IS one of the greatest games ever made? Thanks for clearing that up anon, /v/ will be pleased you've settled it.

>>380860240
Fun to me is like elation like having a smile on my face. You wouldn't hear someone saying "Oh yeah Silent Hill is considered a classic because of how fun it is!". It's not that it isn't fun but that the core appeal is different. Eerie, unnerving anxious and scary but engrossing and deeply engaging because of the way they put you into the characters' shoes in a way unique to video games and i think that's amazing. I mean i enjoy video games for all different kinds of reasons, fun being the primary one but that isn't all there is to it.

>>380859658
This. Everyone itt is retarded. He doesn't means the same "fun" as you have in a bouncy castle for example, EOPs. He means interesting/enjoyable

>>380860659
are you a female?
you should have a black cock down your throat.

>>380859918
Autist

Reggie is cool, but I miss Iwata's earnest modesty.

>>380859658
Reggie isn't Japanese though.

>>380860659
But I had fun playing Silent Hill.

>>380860659
Nigga if you don't walk away from any video game, horror/"kino" games too, without a smile on your face then you're doing it wrong.
You have again described why you had fun with SH2 but for some reason you're too autistic to admit you had fun with it. I seriously doubt you've never smiled thinking or talking about this game, unless you just didn't enjoy it.

>>380858728
arent those direct quotes from people who post on /v/? hm makes you think

>>380860485
>something with gameplay and interactivity with the world and characters suddenly isn't a video game as soon as i don't think it's """"fun""""
>you can only be a """""gamer""""" (compare to a viewer of movies, a reader of books a listener of music) if you are purely hedonistic in your tastes and refuse to engage with the medium on any other level

Being honest this is kind of a sickening line of thinking

>>380859206
>Evokes other emotions
If you don't enjoy something you're reading, you're autistic. Simple. Do you also shove things up your asshole even though you don't enjoy it because it evokes other feelings? You fucking faggot

>>380860485
Is this the face of a shitposter?

>>380860928
is reggie /ourguy/?!

>>380858728
I really loved this opening, a lot of devs fail to grasp this basic concept
fun or difficulty are the cornerstones of video games, and while there's nothing really wrong with going for something more story-centric, if you're going to make the interactivity shit and uninteresting then just write a book nigga

>>380860821
Nice projection you fucking autist, i'll bet you jack off to futa and call yourself straight you socially inept retard. Enjoy never meaning anything to anyone

>>380859497
Crowbcat's a fucking racist

>>380858728
I don't play games for fun, I play games to win.

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>>380859554
That's called having fun you dense tard.

>>380860656
and TLOU and a bunch of other PS4 games are amazing as well, even multiplats, right? good to know that switch's library is complete trash.

>>380861041
woah anon, you made me wet

>>380860906
>>380860927
I'm not saying Silent Hill isn't fun i'm just saying that isn't the primary reason why i like it so much, and that fun isn't the only valuable thing about videogames.

>>380861041
>meaning anything to anyone
Dumb normie

>>380861042
>we wuz kangs and shiet
>racist

isnt it a meme at this fucking point?

>>380859554
Sounds like a bad Super Mario Bros ripoff.

>>380858790
this is insanely true
so many developers try focus on being "unique" "creative" and "deep" but avoid introducing any actual mechanics that require brainpower. They try to make a videogame feel more like a luxury chair rather than an actual game in the first place.
for some reason board games never suffered from this epidemic.

>>380861042
>wahhhh wahhhh das rayssisssss!!

>>380859327

Art is just indulgence of a different kind. Nothing inherently wrong with doing things you like.

>>380861136
Horror can be fun/enjoyable though. People expose themselves to horror because they enjoy the thrilling feeling it gives.

>>380861136
>SH2 is fun
>It was fun because of these reasons
>I enjoyed the game because of these reasons and not because I had fun
You had fun with SH2 and its the reason why people like the game, it was fun.

>>380858851
How does a metacritic score translate to fun?

>>380858851
>caring about ratings
you are a very special anon

>>380860485
>SH2 is overrated garbage just like 95%+ of the PS2's garbage library

I mean your entitled to your opinion but then give me a modern game that excels SH2 in atmosphere, creepiness, soundtrack, map layout, enemy design etc.

I really would like to know which horror masterpieces i missed. The only one that comes to mind is like Condemned which was rather straight forward and without any form of replay-ability.

>>380859003
what, I thought silent hill was fun. Why couldn't i have had "fun" playing Silent hill 2.
Unless you mean it's not Ha-Ha cartoony fun, but i don't know why you'd be saying that because it is so not what we are talking about.

Do you people even know what fun means?

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>>380860524
But some people find that fun. Soooo...

>>380861184
Board games are inextricably and inexorably hingent on their game design and gameplay. It's literally impossible for a board game to appeal on window dressing alone.

can you guys finally admit that SH2 is the only good game in the series?
you can say 1 and 3 are just under it in ranking but SH2 is at least 10 times better than those two games.

>>380858728
While I'm not that much a fan of him, he's pretty much right. Why play games that aren't fun (for you)? I agree there 100%. Sadly, Nintendo's games suck dick.

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>>380861093
And yet you're so mad about it, I wonder why?

>>380861484
mad about what? switch having shitty games? no, not really, nintendildo.

>>380861419
Fuck off you stupid ass retard

>>380861093
Typical. Only a sonybro gets mad that other platforms get good games.

>>380858728
Isn't this basically and old/new generation thing?

Old people, who began to play videogames over 20 years ago will always be fun/gameplayfags. After videogames began to be more widespread and technology evolved, we now have the story/atmospherefags.

>inb4 huur durr I'm 16 and love gameplay

Fuck off, nothing is ever absolute, but literally 90% of the people I know follow these "rules". Personally I think that some games/developers make fun games (nintendo) and other do story oriented games (say, telltale). Great thing the market is big enough to accomodate all kinds of faggots.

>>380859327
>there are other appeals to life than pure pleasure

I already have to spend my time making some faggot rich just to support myself. Tip your fedora elsewhere.

>>380858940
>>380861265
>>380861286
t. Fags who spammed metacritic threads when BotW came out
Reminder that metacritic only matters when games I like are rated highly any other time it's fake and unfair reviews

>>380859554
This is what films and literature serves for. However, most otakus and manchildren don't read or watch cinema, so they resort to cramming narratives in a medium meant for fun to gain their own esoteric dose.

>>380861042
I don't what he looks like and never heard him speak so I'm not gonna share your opinion about him being racist. What i do know is that his vids are brutally honest and more importantly entertaining.

>>380861683
You didn't answer my question.

>>380861176
>memes can't be racist

I mean, I don't think it's worth getting riled up about, but at the same time he wouldn't have lost anything by not having the joke either. I mean, at the heart of it, it's about poking fun about the way black people talking and implying they're stupid

>>380861637
lmao, metacritic proves the exact opposite, you fucking mong.

>>380861631
Kill yourself dumb cunt bitch

>>380861651
>storyfags
Read a book
>atmospherefags
Watch a movie.

Video GAMES are about the GAMEplay, as it has been stated time and time again. If your GAMEplay is bad, then you are a bad video GAME, and should perhaps focus your talents in other media, such as literature or movies.This is absolute.

>>380861683
>/v/ is one person
a tale that never end

Y'all don't get what i'm saying. A really sad movie can be appealing because it engages the viewer on a different level, it resonates with our humanity. I feel that in the same way i have enjoyed video games and for me at least it would be trivializing to reduce the complex texture of experience to as marketable and vague a buzzword as "fun". I primarily play games for fun but that isn't the only reason i ever enjoyed a game. Enjoying soemthing as an experience doesn't mean i was going "Whee! Yippee!" having a blast.

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>>380861585
But anon, dildo's are fun

>>380861880
>>380861716
This

>>380861651
Fuck off, a video game can't be engaging to even deliver a story if it doesn't have good gameplay.

>>380859003
this kind of people exists

>>380861880

No, not really. A lot of quests in rpgs are fetch quests, but it's the context that makes them interesting and meaningful.

I just don't understand why if you were looking for a "deep" and "insightful" experience you would look towards video games? Why not read a book? It's like instead of cleaning yourself with a shower cleaning yourself with the sink. It could maybe work, but it's never going to be as good.

>>380859003
I can't play silent hill 2 because of the jump scares.

That's like a comedian tickling me.

>>380861260
Not him, but is english your first language? "Fun" is not always "interesting". A single word does not encompass every damn feeling in the human mind. It's the same as me trying, stupidly, to call music sound design in a game. For an idiot, those are the same. For someone with half a brain, those are different.

Silent hill isn't fun for most people. It can be though; ridicule all the monsters and joke about their designs and you'll have a fun, dumb game, yet that's far from how the developers intended you to experience it. Silent hill a lot of things, yet miles more "interesting" than fun.

>>380858728
Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real reasons as to why the game is good, don't use it.

>>380861323
But i bought Splat! and that Mousetrap game back in the day just because the ads were telling me how fucking awesome they are....well they suck ballz and the fucking clay ruined every moving object to the point were nothing worked anymore.

smacks lips profusely
SO HOL UP HOL UP
steals
SO U BE SAYIN
gets jiggy wit it
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
eats a skittle
AYYYOOOO SO U BE SAYIN
checks for nearest KFC
U BE SAYIN
collects welfare
HOL UP HOL UP
licks teeth then smacks lips
AYYOO U BE SAYIN
does the crip walk
SO U BE SAYIN
opens up a 40 and pours some for his homies trayvon and michael brown
HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN
tweets about dis and goes to check in with his parole officer
WE WUZ
dindu nuffins
FINNA WE WUZ
sucks air through teeth
AYYYOOO HOL UP WE WUZ
pulls up sagging pants
SO WE WUZ
instinctively looks around for the police
SO U SAYIN WE WUZ
faints and then gets up repeatedly
SOM FINNA
scopes dem titties
SO WE WUZ
shouts at movie theater screen
SOM FINNA
chucks spear
AYYOOO SOM FINNA
sets down cotton bale
HOL UP
strokes welfare check pensively
WE WUZ
throws up gang sign
SOM FINNA
swings from basket ball hoop
WE WUZ
grabs dick and shuffles left and right
SOM FINNA
participates in drive by shooting
HOL UP MUH NIGGUH
converts to islam
U SAYIN WE WUZ
repeated world star yelling in background
SOM FINNA
sells crack
KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGZ N SHEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
evolves from primate

>>380862129
I ask the same about anime.

/lit/, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Stop embarrassing yourselves

>>380858851
it's not a great single player game, but played with friends it's actually lot's of fun

>>380862182
You people don't understand the meaning of fun. Is the game entertaining? Then it's fun. It doesn't matter WHY the game was entertaining in this scenario.

>>380862129
>it hasn't been done in abundance in the medium so it isn't worth exploring the storytelling potential of a new and unique medium

Yeah i mostly play games for fun and i read books and watch movies too but i'm not just going to forsake anyone that tries to do anything interesting with the medium.

>>380861042
What the hell i love Crowbcat now.

>>380858960

Intelligent, well thought out posts never get a response, so here is one.

>>380861880
>>380862028

Way to dismiss my post and be reactionary retards. Guess you don't like story because you can't even read a forum post without sperging.

>>380862115
Ah yes, the deep, meaningful story of collecting 10 bear asses so the cook can make steak.
Fetch quests are universally hated, and people only tolerate them if the gameplay behind said fetch quests is enjoyable, e.g. the combat is FUN.
If the gameplay of a game is shit, then why would you ever waste your time doing fetch quests in said game?

>>380859489
Entertainment = to be entertained = to have fun.

>>380862185

This used to be common knowledge on /v/.

>>380858851
Sfv has a 77 as well and its a great game in terms of gameplay.

>>380858991
kek, I'd love to see you do this on a Nintendo sub

>>380861585
Imagine being this immature. I guess summer time, schools out.>>380861631

>>380859730
Who said that, you?

>>380858728
zelda is the most boring game I played this year, why bother with more Nintendo stuff?

>>380862250
Is this a new meme ?! I can't wait to fit in with you all!

>>380862446

>Ah yes, the deep, meaningful story of collecting 10 bear asses so the cook can make steak.

Pick up an rpg every once in awhile, kid.

>>380858940
Metacritic is political, therefore not fun

>>380862584
Did you play Unchartex 4 this year

>>380862706
Nope.

>>380862302
So Silent Hill is as fun as being on a bouncy castle for example? Did you laugh your way through the game? Because that's what most people think when you ask them to describe "fun". Dude, we have a lot of different words for things for this exact purpose.

>>380862551
except sfv has a user score of 3.6 and is mutually hated by the fgc, arms on the other hand has a 8.6 user rating.

>>380862635
Ironclad argument, pal.
You DO know what a fetch quest is right? It's kinda in the name, it asks you to go fetch something, i.e. 10 bear asses so the cook can make steak.
Now if YOU have ever played an RPG, you would know that this is what most fetch quests boil down to.
And again, there is no reason why you would go out of your way to fetch said 10 bear asses if the gameplay is SHIT and collecting them is a chore.

>>380858728
Damn. Blizzard should really listen to this fat, balding, black-mexican american male.

>>380862428
Your post was inflammatory so it got inflammatory responses.

My point though is that Telltale for example are bad storytellers because their 'games' do not have good gameplay

>>380861905
>yeah let me just hide behind the fact no one knows who anyone is on here despite this site having a very clear bias

>>380862808
You still don't understand. The literal dictionary definition of "fun" that people are using in this thread is "enjoyment, entertainment, amusing" you guys keep describing how the atmosphere and and sound design and characters made the game enjoyable but in the same breath say it's not fun.

>>380862910
Telltale are bad storytellers because they write absolute drivel which would get laughed out of the professional literary world.
Luckily for them, video games exist so they can shove their drivel in their and pass it off as good writing.

>>380863041
Well that too but that should go without saying to anyone who has ever seen a movie or read a book.

>>380863041
so true omg

>>380862808
>>380863008
And no, I was not trying to infer Silent Hill is the same as a bouncy castle you fucking autist.

>>380862904
Reggie is just a voice. He doesn't actually do anything important. Nintendo of America is literally pointless since the bigwigs are all in Japan, they make the decisions. Reggie is just the puppet of the string.

He's right though.

>>380858851
The game is fun. Its 33% from being a perfect game.

>>380862821

>You DO know what a fetch quest is right?

Do YOU know what a fetch quest is? Most of the New Reno mafia missions in Fallout 2 are fetch quests, and they're fun not because running across the level is cathartic, but because you know you're moving up in local crime world.

>>380863008
They aren't saying it isn't fun just that that isn't it's singular and core appeal

>>380858959

Lmao this is bait, but good bait

>>380862910
How so? I wrote it in the mildest possible manner. Don't be so triggered.

>>380863282
And I'm trying to say that whatever it is that's appealing to you is why you enjoyed the game, and that you did in fact have fun playing SH despite orgasming over PS2 characters.

>>380858960
they aren't games at that point, they're interactive experiences

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>>380861136
>Silent Hill 2 isn't "fun,"
>I love it because ~~~deep~~~~ reasons
>those deep reasons can't relate to the reason it being fun
>Silent Hill 2 is fun
>muh backpedals

You fucking jabroni
lmao xdxd

>>380858851
>game reviewers review a fighting game
I love reading professional fighting game reviews, its so funny. Injustice 2 was getting praised because it has a story mode with cutscenes and reviewers clamoring about how its the next step for fighting games.
I don't think theres any genre where games journalism is more out of touch with the playerbase.

>>380863008

This. >>380863282

You have a really narrow view of either vocabulary or video games. I'd say the former.

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>>380859730
>Only type of fun is the roller Coaster "WEEEE" type
You're an idiot

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>>380858728

Except I don't find any of the new nintendo games fun because they are so piss easy.

>>380863479
Do they have a way you can lose/win? They're games, no matter how much people cry about it

>>380863534
Read
>>380863480
>>380863416
>>380862302
>>380861260
>>380860927
You keep explaining what you enjoyed about SH2 but then say you didn't enjoy SH2.

>>380863243
That's funny, because I don't remember the New Reno quests ever being fun.
WHY weren't they fun? That's right, because they have you run around the map in circles like an imbecile, which is not FUN.
I don't give a single fuck what reasoning they have behind making me run around the map like an imbecile, because the core systems of Fallout 1 and 2 aren't entertaining enough to make it tolerable.

>>380858960
something can't be interesting and engaging without also being fun as a direct result

>>380863587
>that rush of adrenaline after the dumb lizard part of your brain convinces your body youre going to die
>falling through the air at intense speeds feeling your insides move back
god I love rollar coasters, I gotta go to a theme park this year

>>380861880
I used to think that way until I played Dragon's Dogma.

You need at least an atmosphere and a goal, the "game" without these feels like you're playing for nothing.

>>380858728
Is reggie a flip or some nigger jap hybrid?

He is too tall to be full on ching chong nip and has almost nigger hair. But too polite to be a nigger.

>>380860441
>claims Nintendo lives in nostalgia
>Sony fag is buying Uncharted

W E W
E
W

>>380863730
Wew

>>380863652
>lose/win is the defining factor of a game
Holy shit, I wonder how many soldiers had fun in world war 2?

>>380863759

His parents are Haitian and he was born in the Bronx. He's probably black.

>>380863643
But anon you havent played mario 5002 or zelda 26!! Or super smash 10

>>380863753
Interesting that you mention Dragon's Dogma, because it's a prime example of the gameplay being so dull that it made me completely unwilling to touch any sidequests.
I dropped the game after several hours of running around killing wolf packs or whatever over and over again, complete waste of time.

>>380863721

Nice worldbuilding appreciation, you pleb shit.

>>380859767
Actually even a game that plays like shit can be fun. See Deadly Premonition.

>>380863973
Your worldbuilding is completely worthless unless it has the gameplay to back it up.
Sure, Fallout 1 and 2 are entertaining gameplay-wise, but not entertaining enough to justify stupid fetch quests.

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Any form of media must be engaging (fun, emotionally evocative, thought provoking, etc) in one way or the other.

If it is engaging it brings enjoyment to the audience.

If it doesn't, forget it. It's trash and you are wasting your time.

This is the absolute objective truth, that cannot be argued against.

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>>380858728

>>380860026
>It's just that sometimes the gameplay is built to immerse you in the world and empathize with the characters
And there are better ways to do that than fucking with the control scheme.For example, making the game challenging like a actual fight for survival by making the enemies competent and the character having to scrap together every edge he can get. See, the good Resident Evil games.

>>380861716
>I'm only interested in mature sophisticated mediums for mature sophisticated adults like myself.
>Mother fetch me a new broom to shove up my arse!

>>380858960
If the gameplay is shit then so is the story. In this medium the gameplay is the story.

I will say this until every idiot on /v/ understands. Visual novels are not games.

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>>380863763
It's an ancient picture from back when Uncharted was still new.

>>380864442
this.
>>380864140
It pains me that someone actually took time to make this

>>380863890
You complete fucking cretin.

>>380862379
If you want to make a Video Game a "compelling story" what you have to do is reduce what makes it unique (gameplay) as much as possible. At which point, why not just make a movie in the first place?

>>380864581
Nintendo drone and a newfag.
Like pottery.

>>380864579
Right, amazing how you should watch what you say before it bites you in the ass.

Almost every game for Sony is a sequel or a remake. Hell Help the biggest announcement for Sony this e3 was the 2nd HD remaster for SoTC

woah

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>>380864625

>>380864442
That's not true at all. It's just that failed game devs who can't make a good game are also shitty writers too so they go hand-in-hand usually.

>>380864825
>C24jXVUXcAEP0LH.jpg

>>380863206
you mean 23%

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>>380864730
>we've always been doing this!

>>380863206
>33%

>>380859003
Found the indie dev.

>>380858959
Video Game is a medium made to be fun you dumb ass.

Fun is just a buzzword

>>380858960
If they're interesting and engaging then they're fun. Problem is half the devs out there can't even manage to make a good movie disguised as a videogame, let alone make real games. Let alone make either interesting.

>>380858960
>Story-driven games do not necessarily need to be 'fun' they at least have to be interesting or engaging.
You just contradicted yourself not a few words apart. If a game isn't interesting or engaging in either story or gameplay, it's not fun.
That doesn't mean gameplay is unimportant though, if the gameplay is shit whether by being tedious or frustrating nobody will give a damn how good the story is because nobody will see it. They'll turn the game off and play something else while the people who do see the story will be the guys who see the cutscenes on youtube.

>>380859003
Jests Christmas, this just goes to show the 'people' entering the game industry these days are all a bunch of hipster retards.

>>380859327
*tips fedora*

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>>380863752
my nigga

>>380859440
Shitting in the morning is 'an experience' too. You sound like a pretentious hipster faggot desu.

>>380862153
Where are there jump scares in SH2?

You've... never played SH2 have you?

>>380859730
Where the fuck do people like this even come from. This isn't autism, it's like brainwashed delusion/insanity.

>game is a toy and only thing you can do with it is having fun

literally underage the thread.

>>380866105
>game is a toy
Congratulations, only took you this long to realize. Yes, video games are toys. This is an undeniable fact.

>You can't have a narrative experience and fun at the same time.

Western game devs and /v/ are both retarded.

>>380860067
What the fuck is a funbook?

>>380860659
Pretentious bullshit; please gtfo of videogames, you evidently want to watch shitty movies instead.

>>380861038
Political propaganda in a videogame contributes nothing to a story and actually makes the game worse all-around.

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People who value games that aren't fun are valuing education, they expect video games to be a media to educate people about their vision of the world.

>>380859003
I had fun playing Silent Hill

>>380866752
Yes, we call that edutainment.

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>If it's not fun, why bother?

>>380858728
Jonathon Blow BTFO

I want the "video games need to grow up and be deep" people to fuck off
I don't even disagree that they can do those things, just let me have my fun vidya like mario and painkiller and other shit that isn't remotely deep
stop trying to tell me video games NEED to do anything

>>380861651
The market is chock full of hipster failures like you who thought they'd introduce their pretentiousness to gaming and get a pass, because you're too incompetent for writing books or making movies. Well it turns out no matter how pretentious and snobby you get about "feelings and experiences" (while shoving as much political propaganda as possible into the game) it does not and will not ever make a game fun. Only the gameplay itself will.

>>380861931
A really sad 'videogame' with no gameplay is a movie, you idiot.

>>380862635
It's painfully obvious you don't even play videogames.

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>>380859003
>Silent Hill 2 isn't "fun,"

>>380858728
around what time does he say this?

There's a genre of video games that caters to people's need for art and writing over gameplay. They're called visual novels but people are retarded so I don't expect your David Cage hipsterfaggot types to understand that.

>>380858728
>if it isn't competitive it isn't fun
Sock off, Reggie

>>380860485
>95%+ of the PS2's garbage library
this post reeks of underage

>>380859003
>>380858728
The point is that the core focus of a game should be "entertainment". It should entertain you. "Is this entertaining?" should be asked every time a core feature, level, gameplay, boss, etc. is being designed in the game.

He just said "fun" because it works better for the audience.

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>>380858728
You faggots always amuse me, if this guy didn't know shit he wouldn't be where he is right now. Reminds me of how retards argue how USA won WW2 and how they'd conquer Russia if they were in Hitler's shoes.

L M A O
M
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>>380859206
This is bullshit. Even if a book aims to tell a sad story it can still be a "fun read". Fun doesn't mean you sit there laughing you ass of. Fun can mean it's enjoyable. Just like people think horror movies are FUN to watch because they LIKE being scared. If you enjoy something, it's fun. If you don't, it's boring... or it can be fun because it puts you out of your comfort zone. I don't like to be scared but I play scary games with friends or by myself because I like to be challenged. You say that fun is this one static thing that implies laughing and smiling when in reality fun can just as easily translate to enjoyment. And if you aren't enjoying something why waste your time doing it at all.

>>380859003

there is literally nothing fun about silent hill 2, its not even scary, its just a cool concept with wacky endings

>>380859467
THE

>>380865860
Just because you don't understand the gist of what he's saying does not make him pretentious. Some people enjoy taking a shit, others don't. But unlike video games shitting is something you HAVE to do. However people who don't like shitting would probably choose not to do it if they had the choice.

You know you can enjoy something without saying that it's fun right?
You realize that there are qualities to a work beyond the most simple level of the binary fun/ not fun right?
Right?

Nintendo won E3 without ever saying 4K once

How embarassing Sony & MS were, chest thumping 4K everywhere but no compelling games at all

>>380858728
nintendo games are not fun. Just making everything all cartoony and shit and gimmick controls does not make it fun. Other developers make the fun games, reggie is just a narcissistic asshole

>>380871008
If a game has shit gameplay, it's a shit game. That simple.

>>380871518
What a simple minded thing to say.

>>380858728
High skill gap/competitive games can be fucking torture to play at first and are not fun at all. So why bother? To git gud, then it will be fun.

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itt: 50% People who don't know what fun means

I love how this has even spawned an argument which goes to show Reggie's point.

Why the fuck would anyone play a game that is not personally entertaining/engaging/enjoyable? Are you just playing games to suffer?

>>380858728
It's the thing he says after he says this that's a meme. He's literally saying if there's no combat it's a waste of time.

>>380871130
>tfw Reggie was secretly warning you about the future dogshit that nintendo is going to force feed you

If it isnt fun why do you still do it simple minded nintardos?

>>380870351
OVERRATED GAME

>>380858959
The most popular book ever mass produced is a collection of unfun shit.

>>380859489
NES stands for Nintendo Entertainment System.

>>380858991
8.8

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I agree with Reggie, of course.
But I played more games that I can count only for curiosity.

FF2 for example, I had played every FF and not 2. I was not having fun, but I wanted to see the entire game and by playing, not watching a video.

>>380871518
So Fallout New Vegas is a shit game?

>>380859083
BOTW is barely above mediocre and ARMS is shovelware.

>>380874241
How does New Vegas have shit gameplay? Are you fucking dumb?

>>380858728
A entertaining game doesn't need to be fun.

>>380874507
During combat? Yes its fucking terrible.

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>>380874694
>Taste this bad exists

>>380858851

>believing reviews other than your own
>ever

popular opinion is a good litmus but remember. IGN gave God Hand a shit score because it was too hard. Yes I know they retconned that review but that's my point. What is the point of numerical review scores if peoples opinion can change over time?

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Name good games that aren't fun. I'll start with pic related.

>>380858728
>people desperately trying to prove him wrong just because he's from Nintendo

He is most definitely right. This is coming from someone who hasn't owned a Nintendo system since the GBA.

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>>380874694
Have you considered maybe its just not the game for you? I love sneeki breeki cowboying it up in New Vegas, I don't give a shit about the story.

>>380858959

>le video games should be art may may

I'm not saying they can't or that there aren't examples already but this idea that vidya NEEDS to be art to be taken seriously is disengenuous.

>>380859003

>Silent Hill 2 isn't fun

take a (you)

>>380874975
Pathalogic.

>>380858728
Explain Arms and Splatoon then, spokesperson.

>>380859489

>stuck in the past

you're acting like that's a bad thing in regard to how you are describing it and second OH BOY ANOTHER GONE HOMO OR DEAR ESTHER WANNABE THAT THINKS VIDYA NEEDS TO CHANGE THE WORLD.

>>380875475
Both were games created to be fun, people find them fun.

>>380875602
Neckbeards are not people.

>>380861789

you are the fucking reason Pepe unironically became a white nationalism mascot.

>>380859512
>falling for such obvious bait

you're so retarded dude, jesus fuck

>>380875731
Exactly which is why the game was aimed towards people who play games to have fun instead of neckbeards who want a cinematic experience.

>>380860464
>angry nintendo cuck

>>380862551
Fuck off jive fag.

>>380876005
Neckbeards are the ones throwing around fun without context and getting furious about cinematic experiences while eating up the latest in mediocre gameplay as long as it's quirky. Overwatch, Splatoon, Arms and so on.

>>380876284
Splatoon and Arms are fun though, so is Overwatch. Are you angry that other people are having fun with something you don't personally find as entertaining?

>>380876460
No, I just like watching the buzzword mantra when confronted about hypocrisy. Works every time.

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>>380861093
I genuinely can not tell which side you're on right now.
Is Metacritic valid or not?

>>380876757
Metacritic being valid is directly tied to how well it supports my argument.

>>380876284
this. we need more identity politics in vide gamew!!! cops are pigs

>>380859003
Fun doesn't have to mean you're laughing or cheering or whatever
It's about enjoyment

>>380876864

yeah we need more politics in vidya

>The Last Night

EXCEPT WHEN I DISAGREE WITH SAID POLITICS REEEEEEEEEE

>>380858778
deepest lore

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>>380877119
what
Are you okay anon?

"fun" games is the video game equivalent of moeshit in anime.
That being said, I love moeshit

>>380875103
No its actually one of my most favorite games of all time. But I still think gun combat is shit but tolerable.

>>380878538
Don't you have fun when you play your favourite sony cinematic experience (now with 50% more lesbians)? you'll be lying if you say not.

>>380859003
(You)

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>>380858728
Reggie is right

The world is too dark and serious already. Video games are an escape from all that.

Anyone who thinks video games or any media aren't dark and gritty enough are either extremely sheltered from the real world or under 16 years old. Or both

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>>380861042

> That guy on Neogaf who got banned because he said people were overreacting to the "We wuz" joke

>>380859497
>destroys
A consumer watchdog does nothing but improve things for everyone.

>>380858728
If he'd said compelling instead of fun, I'd agree fully instead of only halfway.

>>380878549
retard.

gameplay !=combat . it has roleplaying , quests missions those are gameplay too.

you a retard platinum weeb if you think gameplay==combat gameplay ifonly.

Nintendo has been thinking that video games are for children since forever. Just watch the case where the ESRB rating started. The nintendo guy literally says that adults don't play video games and video games that target adults should not even exist.

>>380879936
Proof por favor

>>380880964
Bethesda's Fallout combat is still garbage and makes up for half the game.

>>380859083
ARMS is a bit lacking as a game itself, the core gameplay is solid and good but overall it may just feel too empty. A rounded 8 is a fitting grade for ARMS.

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>>380859463
>cheesy horror is fun

>>380858728
>>If it's not fun, why bother?
But what if it has a deep story story like The Last of Us?

>>380881827
TLOU actually is fun to play though.

Having an engaging story lends to the experience and might elevate a game with subpar gameplay into something you find fun because the atmosphere/story is compelling.

>everyone makes fun of Sony, Microsoft and multiple PC games when they get a 70-79 meta critic score
>Nintendo gets one
>metascores matter?
Holy shit niggas get fucked

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>>380882017
Oh boy, here we go.

>>380882214
What, it's a fun game, is it the best game ever? No, but its fun.

>Endless metacritic shitposts about BotW
>ARMS gets a 77
>WTF I HATE METACRITIC NOW, F-F-FUCKING SONY AND MICROSOFT SHILLS

Really got sweetened up my almonds

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>>380858851
Because of brand loyalty and there is nothing on the damn console untill odyssey.

Go back to /pol/, /pol/yp.

>>380858959
>I enjoy this for its simple story
>I enjoy this for its conplex narrative and exploration of generally unappealing themes
Notice how the only similarly is "I enjoy"

>>380858728
>fun

>>380859584
Hey, as long as the game's fun, entertaining, and keeps politics/social issues low or null, it's a good game, no matter the console it's in.

>>380883543
BUT TRUE ART IS SUFFERING ANON

>>380861067
>everything i like is called fun you dense tard!
>everything i don't is cancer killing the video games!

>>380861683
Metacritic never matters. It's just a base for morons who can't form their own opinions and so they use an amalgam of other's opinions as a surrogate instead of using their own brain to decide whether something is worth the time or not.
Even if you like to use it casually as a rough gauge, it's only useful for titles that would appeal to a huge audience. Niche or specific targeting games will never be able to be rated accordingly because of their own nature.

>>380858728

Nintendo games are artificial fun

>>380859003

>silent hill 2 isn't fun

I peeked in this thread to see what kind of shit posting was going on...I didn't expect this.

Like fuck, just say you didn't like it, you still have your opinion and know what games you like

You know what series is hot dog shit. Elder Scrolls. I've never had so much unfun with a set of games. They just aren't for me and I would never want someone to experience what I experience playing those games.

But, millions of people like the series.

Still, it's not fun for me, I would never recommend it as essential or even worth playing unless I really knew the kind of preferences a person had for games and even then don't like it so I wouldn't recommend it and that's ok, because I'm me.

Games being "essential" is just a suggestion, not something you have to swear by

>>380858790
Just look at microsoft and sony bullshit conference which strayed as far away from "fun" as possible.
>muh graphix
>4k
>most powerful
>story telling
>innovation
>niggers

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Every kind of game is fun to someone. I'm not really sure what Reggie meant by that.

Fun is just a buzzword when you can't actually think of any real reasons as to why the game is good

>>380860258
But you just admitted that having fun is important.

>>380863206
>games have to hit 110% now
Shit...a lot of games are worse than I thought. Modern metrics are shit.

>>380862279
>muh play with friends meme

kid if your idea of fun is sitting around in a living room on a friday night, you need to re-evaluate your life

>>380881648
I agree with this
It's a fun game, but mostly with friends. Single play leaves something to be desired
It's nice to have in my library tho, since it's the only fighting game I've bought since soup caliber for GameCube

>>380859206
is boredom an emotion?

>>380886964
i always thought boredom was the lack of emotion

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>>380858728
Because consumers prove time and time again addiction cycles and superficial polish outperform fun as a core metric

>shooters
>ASSFAGGOTS
>cinematic experiences
>mobileshit making billions

>>380885961
>I'm not really sure what Reggie meant by that.

He meant that if you think the game's boring, then why bother to keep playing something you don't enjoy or like?