>this kills the mid-range PC market

>>380847613
Good. Maybe Microsoft can do what Valve couldn't and bring a PC like environment into the living room.

>>380847613
I have a ps4 myself and I'd probably still get a pc for no paid online and to be able to pirate single player multiplats

Except there are a bazillion games for mid range PCs out where as this has like 20 from the xbone

>>380847613

Except that people buy PCs for other things besides gaming. I need a PC to work anyway, but I spend a little extra to be able to play games on it.

Can I work productively on my Xbox?

>>380847613
Nothing is going to balance out the utility (streaming, emulation, creative work) that having a midrange PC would provide. If Xbox and 360 games actually work properly with full catalog compatibility though that could be enough to compete with older PC exclusives a PC would provide access to if utility isn't important to the individual customer. Either way I don't see this thing taking off.

>>380847613
>he thinks this is going to last

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>>380848039
this, I love my early access machine

>>380847862


>I'm too dumb to connect tv to my pc

>>380847613
No. This kills the PC Mustardrace in mid-range market who thinks PC is the best because "muh graphics".
Xbonx still has no games, especially when comparing to W10 PCs because almost every E3 game was revealed to launch on both.
You can't play your popular DOTA clones on it, right? Emulation like Dolphin and PCSX2 are out of the question, tons of smaller indie games and old classics as well. PC has way more versatility.

It's definitely a good entry point to vidya for someone who owns a laptop or similar, though.

>This kills the Le console killer meme builds

Good. Maybe we can actually get real progress in PC and start having GPU's and games that outstrip consoles in every way instead of just being console ports and reddit cards like the 970.

The "PCMR" meme has been holding back PC gaming

>>380847613
>this version of Xbox One will be relevant

How many times can you rehash the same basic product before you admit defeat

>>380848320
>wanting input lag from connecting your PC to a TV

>>380848420
Ask Nintendo. It seems to work for them.

>>380847613
no mobas, no cs, no mmos, no games at all

>>380847613
>microsoft made an actually ok looking console
wew

>>380848506
>It seems to work for them.

Exactly you dingus, it works for them. Xbox One meanwhile has been irrelevant since the first iteration

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>>380847613
I would be amazing if it could.

Except a modern midrange is still superiour to XboneX both in power and utility. Using the same up-scaling techniques as consoles do can see a 1060 run modern titles at pseudo-4k 60fps, with higher settings.

This gap will only increase with the passing years.

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>>380848528
>no mmos

*clears throat*
*steps out of the shadows*

Ahem...

>claims to be 'true' 4k gaming console
>almost no native 4k games

The xbone X will have less 4k games than the 360 had full 1080p games

>>380847613
It can't browse 4chan, netflix, youtube or play movies while gaming. It's still shit.

>>380848635
As an MMO player, why would I pay for my internet twice, and why would I ever play that shitty grindfest.

>>380848441

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>380848764
Actually it can

>>380847613
Why would it?
It's still a console.
It has no appeal for people who want a PC.

>>380847613
People use pc not just for gaming

>>380848317
nice meme

>Most games will still be at 30fps
>No 4k native games

The only pro to this console is that it's a lot cheaper than a PC. You just cannot build a PC as powerful as it, however, you could spend just a little bit more and get SO much more, like per say; 60fps in games, 1440p, much better quality looking games. No hidden LoD pop ins.

If I connect my pc to a 4k tv, and downscale the game via FGSSAA, would it be native?

>>380848831
On a seperate tv without having any impact on the gaming experience?

>>380848506
3DS
>7 including New 2DS
>still relevant, large exclusive library

Wii U
>2, black and white, both available since launch
>not relevant anymore, still more exclusives than Xbone

Switch
>1, not counting blue/red neon and grey as separate
>released 3 moths ago, already almost more exclusives than Xbone

Not a very good comparison.

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Xbox + Surface + 4k TV is objectively the best combo for entertaining and work

Sorry, Gabe

>>380848803
>and why would I ever play that shitty grindfest.
B/c it's fun! And you can explore a huge world and interact with other players. Also the crafting and worker system is great

*runs away*

>>380849050
Dude, multi-monitor setups have been around for over a decade. I play games whilst watching streams all the time.

Already forgotten week after announcement. If Pro failed then X is destined to flop.

>>380849291

Isn't he asking if the Xbox One X can do that?

>>380849116
you still can't emulate/mod or even play some PC/ps4 exclusives

>>380847613
Its kills pc gaming in general, there is no point to it now the xbox one x is real

>nogames machine

>That cold realisation that with more phones/tablets/console users being able to directly browse 4chan. Fewer posters have even a basic understanding of how pcs work.

Fuck, I'm having flashbacks of when I talked to some chavs who didn't even know PC had games.

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>>380849496
>4 years after the start of the generation
>STILL can't do 60fps

>>380847613
>no modding
>no mouse keyboard

This kills jack shit.

>>380849647

All memes aside, this really is an awful generation for consoles.

>>380849647
>split frame rates on a game with competetive multiplayer
that would be awful.

Destiny multiplayer is already awful though so I doubt they could make it any worse

>>380849426
My mistake. Though I've seen the Xbox do multiple screens, I think it can only do one think at once.

>>380849050
>shifting the goalposts this hard

Blown the fuck out

>>380849647
Because 60 fps isn't necessary, and won't be a target for all games as long as visuals can be improved.
Most people don't mind 30 fps.

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>>380847613
>All those PS4 console exclusives PC still has over the xbone with xbone exclusives

>>380849981
So how does it 'kill PC gaming' when it's basically the only place if you actually want games to run properly?

>>380849981
>Most people don't mind 30 fps.
Only those that don't know any better.

>>380848809
Modern televisions generally have fucking awful input lag and are terrible for gaming

>>380847613
>no emulation, no shit like word, skype, photoshop, etc
No thanks.

>>380849931
It was always the point, you wad.

What the fuck is the point if you can only do one at once?

>>380850216
So how is that an argument for consoles?

They make the games on the xbox one X and then scale them down for pc and further for current gen consoles

>>380850216
Assuming that isn't ripe bullshit, how does that not effect consoles too?

>>380850216
And there isn't any input lag when using a console because?

>>380847613
An rx480 is $200, just saying.

>>380847613
>You can still build a good PC for the price.
>Doesn't have the versatility and functionality of an actual PC.

Yeah nah.

>>380847613
Oh
Is it getting steam support?

>Fake 4K checkerboarding & 30FPS
>killing anything

TOP KEK, FAGGOT OP

>>380849683
You can sleep soundly knowing that they're trying their damn hardest to kill modding so you'll not have to worry in the future.

>>380850492
Judging from the amount of phoneposters in 4chan, most these people don't know how to turn a pc on, let alone build one.

>>380850216
That's why they have a thing called game mode, brainiac.

>>380849647
Don't know if bait or just detached from reality.

Consoles marketing point has always been value for money at the low end and this pretty much has always meant a 30 fps target but with the settings ramped up to the pc's ~high settings. People who play on console legitimately don't give a shit about fps because if they did, consoles since forever wouldn't keep targeting 30 fps.

It's much easier to market higher settings and resolution than marketing 60 fps because your average little Timmy doesn't care about fps.

If this console was targeting 60 fps it'd have to settle for low settings/resolution to achieve that. Just think to yourself which appeals more to a console casual: 30 fps high settings/1440p or 60 fps low settings/720p.

Good. PC Gaymen is dead until cryptoniggers kill themselves.

>>380850357
Why the fuck would I want to watch a movie if I'm playing a game? Fuck off retard you're making pc players look like dimwits with stupid ass comments like that.

t. Gtx 1070 build owner

>>380847862
Does it still count as a 'PC' if it can only run approved UWP software purchased from Microsoft?

With SteamOS for all its faults (though developers not following standards making cross-platform support difficult really isn't SteamOS's fault) at least its easy to run GNU/Linux software, and even certain Windows software obtained from any source.

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>>380850948
>he can't multitask
How does it feel being a lowtest beta male?

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>>380851216
>have triple monitor setup
>still don't watch movies when gaming
>"b-beta.."

>>380848898
>You just cannot build a PC as powerful as it
You can build a more powerful PC than this thing out of spare fucking parts. You can literally take the shit that other PC users have deemed to slow or obsolete to be worth using and build a more powerful gaming platform than this brand new console with them, and you can do it for the same price or cheaper if you know where to look.

>>380851216
>Slowly fucking your brain with sensory overload.

You're just an addict. Bet you sleep next to your smartphone and have to check it every time you hear a ping.

>>380851435
>>380851537
Games these days require a lot of boring shit like running around empty worlds, waiting to respawn, waiting for your turn, having to watch the same animations repeatedly or all put together. You mean to tell me these kind of escapades are experiences so wild you can barely keep up with it? I bet you eat fries without dipping too.

>>380851536
Nobody wants to do that except hardcore enthusiasts. You can certainly build a really good pc for $500 (linustechtips built a 980ti+i7 4770 build for that price) but they had to travel for hours and hours to different places and scavenge parts together from like 20 different craigslist sources. Even as a predominantly pc gamer I wouldn't wanna do that shit as it's way too time consuming and you'll never know if a part will break on you. This is also the reason why consoles and prebuilts are massively more popular than custom pc's in general. Very, very few steam users are actually using custom builds. The most they've probably done is replaced their old shitty prebuilt tier gpu from 2007 with a 750 ti or something to play league of legends.

>>380847613

>Buy an XBonXxX

Why would I not just spend the £500 upgrading my current PC so that it's better?

>>380848898
> it's a lot cheaper than a PC

The hardware that lets it and the other current Microsoft and Sony consoles be so cheap, namely its jaguar/gcn 1.1 SOC has never been made available to the general market. SOCs let you produce a system much cheaper than normal by combining as much as possible into a single element.

Later this year, around the time the Scorpio launches in fact, AMD will release their first SOC to the general market combining Ryzen, Vega, and other incidental hardware into a single chip.

How much do I realisticaly have to spend on a gaming PC that plays all current games in 4k and 60fps in best details?

>>380852096
Maybe its an American thing, where I'm from everyone who games on PC does it with a custom build - there's just no way to justify spending the money on a pre-built because they are all of them massive rip-offs

>>380852036
It's not my fault that you play boring games. Every game I play I get fully immersed in because if I'm not, it would be a boring game and I wouldn't want to play it. The only times I actually use my 2nd monitor to multitask is either when I'm watching a football/soccer match and following the /sp/ thread or if I'm running a cpu temperature program, but even then I only take a glance every once in like 2 hours to make sure my pc isn't getting too hot in this summer weather.

>>380852096
>I'm a lazy consumer whore

Much simpler way of saying it. You're welcome.

>>380852550
Home built gaming PCs are a tiny niche market compared to the prebuilt PC market. Those of us who build our machines tend to exist in a bubble, most people are gaming on laptops with intel graphics.

SOC based systems capable of actually playing most games well like the ones AMD is launching later this year to the general market could be a blessing and a curse for home built systems. On the one hand they'll greatly reduce the cost and complexity of a low to mid range build. On the other hand if the bottom falls out of the midrange market we'll see high end 'halo' GPUs get even more expensive.

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>>380850216

Nigger are you legitimately retarded, or have you never actually connected a PC to a TV?

I connected my PC to my now FIVE year old 40 inch flat-screen via hdmi and it runs like a fucking dream. I have no idea what input lag you're referring to because the shit runs flawlessly. Sure, it's only temporary while I save up for a comparably sized 144hz monitor but being locked at 60fps still makes my experience twice as good as console.

So to reiterate what another anon said, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>380850780
And I'm pointing out how deluded it is to claim that it's going to 'kill PC gaming' when PC is still the only place for anyone who actually cares about performance

>>380850118
"properly" is something you made up.
All developers can make games uglier to run at 60 fps.

>>380850182
Or those who just don't mind it. I'm sure some people get sick from low framerates, I myself hate FOVs below 110 in first person games, but that's not standard for the vast majority of PC games either.

>>380853106
he's right to a certain extent though. i went from a 1ms 27" TN monitor to a 32" LED tv and the input lag is definitely there even when configured in pc mode. granted, i still whoop ass in these fps shooters but i've realized my margins for error are much smaller as i have to accommodate for the increased input latency.

>30 fps killing any market

>>380853106
Probably talking about cheap 2160p TVs which can have pretty awful delays between input and output on the TV. We're talking half second or worse in some cases.
TV makers counted on the 2160p mode only being used for floor displays or media consumption and not gaming since for consoles they only needed to worry about low input lag in 720p or 1080p mode. In fact they may have intentionally neutered them for 2160p gaming to push their much more expensive large format PC monitors with the same panels but upgraded hardware.

>>380847613
thank you phil for killing xbox with that other fucker.thanks for giving every exclusive to pc.
thanks for killing scalebound and fable:legends the 2 only console-seller of the xbox.thanks for giving xbox players crossplay so pc players can rekt them with a mouse and keyboard.thanks for your e3 presentation being literally 5 year old pc games coming to xbox like path of exile,black desert online,minecraft.thank you phil, you finally killed xbox.

>>380852550
Most Americans usually have gaming laptops I've noticed, never knew how popular these were over here, like 75% of every American teen boy will have an alienware or other gaming laptop

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I would consider controls and generally more options to be the biggest benefit of PC followed graphics settings to be sure I can get a good frame rate even on my toaster. If these were added to console games and online was made free I could see myself going full console. Everything I have listed has been done before and would not even require new hardware, but console developers are going in a different direction. I don't care at all about having more powerful hardware and then scaling resolution and graphics up until I am back at 30 fps.

>>380853573
really? i was gonna get an lg 4k tv soon for my next console upgrade whether it's the pro or x1x. if this is true then i don't know what to do. input lag sucks.

>>380854605
That was definitely the case a year or two ago on cheap 4k TVs, not sure if its still true on more recent ones. Be sure to check reviews that talk about them as PC monitors for gaming.

The displays sold as 40" 2160p PC monitors are actually pretty reasonable compared to other high end monitors. $700 is usually a good ballpark figure.
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-43UD79-B-4k-uhd-led-monitor

This one got brought up the other day. Display Port input, USB C, a few HDMI 2 ports and it has a remote (which is my biggest complaint about my large format monitor). Plus the comments say it has Freesync over Display Port.

>>380854461
Where is this image from? I must know!

>>380855117
$700(~£650) is way too high for me. i was planning on getting a £330 (~$400) lg 43" 4k tv as it was cheap but had good reviews and supported hdr10 in some scenarios.

https://accessories.sky.com/catalogue/products/lg-43-tv-43uh603v

>>380855493
Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita

>>380856142
>Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita
Thought it looked like her, but don't remember this scene anywhere. Thanks!

>>380848441
>wanting input lag from connecting your PC to a TV
I bet you're the kind of guy who can't play bastion or heavy with a mouse that doesn't cost at least 150$ because of input lag.

>>380849647
>THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER
>THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER MADE
>THE MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER CREATED
>4K
>4K DISPLAY
>4K RESOLUTION
>THE ULTIMATE GAMING EXPERIENCE
>LET'S SEE WHAT THIS M O N S T E R CAN DO

>Will X game run at 60 fps ?
>Erm, no, 30

>>380847613
>still no games

>>380847613
>being so much of a casual you are used to 30 fps

No thanks. Also constantly alternating form my PC to my couch and console just for gaming is annoying and inconvenient, I'd rather sit all day infront of the same screen and do all my work, browing, sihtposting and gaming on the same platform using something that confuses console peasants; Alt-tab.

>>380848192
/thread

>>380851537
everyone does that you faggot

no games at all

Halo was always fucking garbage and even the drones say it sucks now

Meh whatever. I have ps4 pro and pc with gtx970 and 6700k. I can run Forza on my pc in 4k and ps for exvlusives. What else is xbone is good for?

>>380859737
Normalising addiction behaviours is part of the denial.

>>380853573
my brother bought a changhong TV that had lag out the ass and motion interpolation you couldn't disable. thing was a fucking dumpster fire.

How can those companies get away with lying about 4K this and 4K that?
It's more like Xbone X has 4K*
*not native 4K we use tricks that means it won't look as good as real 4K

It's like if I sold a hamburger*
*it's actually soy lol

>>380849754
>split frame rates on a game with competetive multiplayer
>that would be awful
lol

Why do people buy 4k tv again?

>>380847613
How? Yes, it is practically a mid-range PC but it lacks the entire PC library.

>>380860548
They see them playing those fancy bright demo videos and believe tv and consoles are going to be the same thing.

>>380860548
to watch fancams