Now it's understandable to be skepticle after Mercury Steams

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It looks like they combined the Prime 2 and 3 suit with the Other M suit

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>>380750086
The result is pretty good.

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>>380750086
It's Super Samus

>>380750086
Nah, they just took tue Other M colors and put em on a much more superior Varia suit. Right now its my favorite, and if the Gravity suit or similar is more then a recolor and a more refined version it cpild be even better.

The beak like visor to resemble the Chozos. Also the miniscule also non existant breathing tubes giving it a much more futuristic look.
Those portholes on the shoulder pads suggest an upgrade and those green highlights.
The tubes for the arm cannon make more sense then breathing tubes, it never made sense that it was just there as a part of the suit without something flexible connecting it to the rest of the suit.

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No zero suit, no buy.

In terms of suits

Super > Prime 2&3 = Samus Returns > Fusion = Brawl Powersuit = Zero Mission > Metroid 1 Powersuit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shit >>>>>>>>> Other M

It's gonna be fine.

>>380751304
i imagine you'll be able to play as zero suit if you scan in the amiibo.

>>380750701
no it isnt

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>>380751906
You forgot this one. The Super suit is pretty much just this one though.

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>>380751906
>Metroid 1 suit below the Fusion suit
Wrong.

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>>380749965

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It would be nice if Nintendo brought back the Metroid 1 suit as an Easter egg for a game.

I hope so. I really do.

>>380752856
I'm looking at his complete 'gameography' and Other M was the only 3D game he did. That could be why it had very poor level design.

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>>380751304

>>380753689
Aw, I was hoping they'd bring back the original outfit from Metroid II.

I can't help but wonder what Next Level games's original pitch for Metroid was before it was turned into Federation Force.

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I'd say he's done more good than bad.

>>380753891
>all those good games
What's the problem?

>>380753689
>Not the black high cut two piece of Super and 2.
I'm a little disappointed.

>>380753681
Other M probably had poor level design because he worked on that game as a director rather than as a level designer.

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>>380754179
Besides the actual suit, she can only wear things from Zero Mission now.

>>380754662
Melee.

This is the only game that makes me kind of wish I had a 3ds.

>>380753891
So what happened from 2004 until 2012? Retired then decided to come back?

>>380754662
Always loved the Prime 1 design.

>>380754662
Light Suit continues to give me a massive erection to this day

>>380754662
Light Suit or Samus Returns.

>>380754662
Fusion Varia

Just Kidding, either Prime Gravity, Light, or Dark

>>380752856
How is that a problem? The map of Other M is actually awesome and complex.

It was ruined by forced linearity. Not his fault. And he also did the map of Zero Mission and Fusion who were both great.

>>380755320
He co directed Metroid Other M with two other people in 2010

Mobygames just lists his credits on two separate pages for some reason and I don't know how to request a merger on that site.

>>380749965
I think Sakamoto is responsible for the cinematic melee counters. I don't even hate the idea of the melee counter, but keep that over-the-top shit out of Metroid. I don't know why Nintendo is so adamant on turning Samus into shooty Kratos.

>>380750086
Exactly what I was thinking. It's an improvement for sure, but it still looks kind of 'cheap', like it's made out of plastic or something.

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>mfw Sakamoto said one of his main reasons for wanting to remake Metroid II was to place emphasis on Samus meeting The Baby

THE BABY

>>380755762
Prime 4 is OM remake confirmed.

>>380752856
The maps of Other M ARE good, though.

>>380754656
I miss the 80s and 90s anime look of Samus from Super Metroid.

>>380755745
>but keep that over-the-top shit out of Metroid.
I like it, imo. I guess it's a matter of persoanl taste. Anyway, it's not over used and we have seen boss using plenty of other attacks.

>>380755762
This game is going to retcon Other M by having Samus shoot the hatchling at the end

>>380755762
Uh? That's kind of an important plot point, you know? It's not msiplaced for him to say that.

I think we need a fucking demo or else no one's gonna be happy.

Seriously. Also they haven't shown walljumping. If there's no walljumping we're going to have a little problem.

>>380756445
It was already emphasized when it was the ending of the game, Samus spares the Metroid and it follows her all the way to her ship. What more is needed?

>>380756578
She technically only learn it in Super. then again, it's useable in Zero Mission, but I suppose using wall-jump in Zero made the playthrough non-canon. Or maybe eveyrtime she did it in Zero it was an accident and she didn't know for sure how she pulled that out and only really learned to master it in Super.

>>380756671
You are misunderstanding what Sakamoto said. he siad he is glad to update this game so that those who haven't played Metroid 2 can finally make the story connection.

That's it. He also said there would be more chozo lore, which is always a good thing.

So that melee counter thing, what does it do exactly?

A. Take a fixed chunk of life, so if the boss has 1500HP, you take 300, but if another boss has 2000 you also take 300

or

B. Guarantee that a percentage of its total life is lost (so after doing it, the enemy will always have 75% left, 50% left, or 25% left)

I mean if it was more of a "finisher" move like in some of those god of war like beat em ups it'd suck.

Zero got a remake

Metroid 2 getting a remake

Think Super Metroid will get a remake in the next 10 years?

>>380755626
Ah

>>380757112
None of those. The player can control which weapon is activated and if they shoot or not. Same shooting controlsthan in normal gameplay. But the movement is locked in a geab animation

>>380756578
Watch the treehouse segments, walljumping is confirmed, and its honestly glorious to watch it happen. If you have good reaction times for button presses, fucking magic can happen with it, I am talking about super fast animation and lightning speed movement.
>>380756997
Chozo, good. Baby, bad. He said he wanted to go back and touch upon the story specifically because he neber really worked on the game, so yeah that is something of concern, probably the only real big one. Not obly because no one has really played it. But if he does something cool with it, all for it.


The reason she gets the ultra beam in Super Metroid is because its really an X-Parasite, ultimately retconning Other M and setting up fusion. I say this in every thread, this game needs to end or reveal that the X have been fucking things up for samus ever since SR338.

>>380757516
So the advantage of the melee is to lock the enemy to shoot with 100% accuracy

>>380756671
>What more is needed?
Do you know what I'd honestly want to see explored? How come "killing all of the metroid so the Space Pirate have none" turn out into a mission to only kill 49 of them. Like how come, on the whole planet, there isn't more? how come the GF failed to do it by themselves? I'd like to see that addressed, maybe in the intro.

>>380756373
Wouldn't that retcon Super Metroid?

>>380757516
So it's not a mandatory thing to do?

So far this will be a great metroid if every little thing added for "an easier experience" is optional

>>380757229
I don't think Super really needs it. Metroid and Return of Samus are the only games that really felt dated enough to warrant remakes, and I don't think they'd risk tampering with a game as revered as Super is.

>>380757832
You have to parry and then shoot. It's a dark souls riposte. But mid-riposting you can change weapons

>>380757832
You don't have to use the parry if you don't want to anon

>>380757112
It's just getting free hits on the enemies. For regular ones you just knock them away and stun them, but for more powerful ones it plays the little cinematic. I also seems like you still need to actively shooting the enemies because it uses whatever ammo you have selected.

>>380754662
I want to be hugged by samus in her fusion suit

>>380757832
Kind. Aeions fit more into the don't touch otherwise press a to win category, where as parry could make things easier for you, but not braindead easy. The amount of damage the metroids deal you is nigh on ridiculous for normal, and if you don't utilize the parry for at least those battles, things can get dark souls brutal as the gameplay shows. Its not varied, but I think if you limit it to the metroids and not for everything you shoot it won't get monotonous in its useage.

>>380757869
I don't think they should, but at least I think it'd be a good idea to keep making Super Metroid available in every platform they have. Heard the New 3DS VC version on europe doesn't use the old ass 50hz PAL release which was some sort of bullshit on Wii U, glad I never bought that shit.

>>380749965
>skepticle

>>380754662
Super looked just right. All the others fucked up proportions and now Samus is this top heavy, overly thin waist abomination.

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>>380753681
>>380755492
>>380756059
>Metroid Other: M apologists
I never thought I'd see this day.

Game gon be fine

Too bad it's not coming out right now so it's shit

I predict 65 metacritic because on top of Metroid 2 intrinsic linearity they added colored doors like in Prime, on top of clearing the metroids of the area.
And reviewers want supermetroid

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>>380757112
The melee counter has two parts to it, the initial parry and then the followup counter. You hit X for the parry, and when it finishes Samus will automatically aim at the enemy but won't do anything else unless you also hit the shoot button within that 'aim' window. Once you hit the shoot button, Samus will fire whatever weapon is currently equipped, using ammo normally if it's a limited weapon. Against bosses, hitting the shoot button during the 'aim' window will play the full animation, but Samus is still just firing whatever weapon is equipped or will default to missiles if the current weapon wouldn't deal damage (I think, it's hard to tell if they're manually switching to missiles in the stream.)

So it's basically just free hits with the same damage a if you shot them normally, and you can counter bosses without continuing into the full animation by stopping halfway through.

>>380758948
Yeah, it needs to be like Super and not have coloured doors you have to open by shooting a specific weapon at them.

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>>380754662
Prime 1 was the pinnacle

I don't think there is a "bad" suit though. Really digging the new suit was well. I like the Dark Samus visor

>Directed and level design by Takehiko Hosokawa, who did the level design for Zero Mission and Fusion
Which had shitty level design.

>Produced by Yoshio Sakamoto, who has overseen every Metroid besides II
Responsible for Other M and Fusion, fuck him.

>Soundtrack by Kenji Yamamoto and Minako Hamano, who did the soundtracks for previous Metroid games
Yet the music we've heard so far has been boring as fuck.

>General development and design is by people over at Nintendo EPD
Makers of Tri-Force Heroes and Star Fox Zero.

All I'm seeing are a bunch of red flags, OP.

>>380759292
Super had those but was non-linear.
Metroid 2 remake adds that layer on top of killing all metroid to advance.

>>380759539
>Yet the music we've heard so far has been boring as fuck.
Fuck you, the updated Surface of SR388 sounds fucking amazing.

>>380758948
>And reviewers want supermetroid
Nobody really wants Super Metroid. Plebs want ZM instead.

>>380753689
>Other M shit

Why can't they just let it go?

I'll be honest I thought Mercury Steam went out of business.

>>380749965
>webm of the Metroid fight with the optional melee attack and calls it "forced"
It doesnt seem optional you fucking shill

Its like ignoring thes buster in dmc4

>>380755745
>Sakamoto is responsible for the cinematic melee counters
That's MercurySteam, they are the ones that added the melee counter to the game.

>>380759861
It's 100% optional.

>>380757737
>He said he wanted to go back and touch upon the story specifically because he neber really worked on the game, so yeah that is something of concern,
Not what he said. He said, as he didn't work on the game it was also a new experience for him when he worked on it and enjoyed.

And it's interesting to see what lead Samus to protect the baby. Maybe we'll got some alusion to the Xs.

>The reason she gets the ultra beam in Super Metroid is because its really an X-Parasite,
Uh? No it isn't.

There isn't any retcon, there.

>>380760035
You mean they proposed it and was accepted. Nintendo collabs work that way. Everybody pitches, nintendo has final say

>>380759683
ZM wasn't that good though? Plus the ending section was shit.

>>380759686

>Zero suit Samus started with Other M.

Fucking retard

>>380755762
It's an important part of the story plus he also wanted to expand on the Chozo in this game.

>>380758664
Fuck, off, no one is defending this game. I did say it had bad forced linearity. the game is bad, but it doesn't means it has some goo aspect to it.

>>380755745
>I think Sakamoto is responsible for the cinematic melee counters.
Nope just check mirror of fate its EXACTLY THEKINDOFPARR+cinematic cutscene

>I don't know why Nintendo is so adamant on turning Samus into shooty Kratos.
Thats mercury steam again just check lorsd of shadows as a proof

>>380760330
You wouldn't believe how many plebs believe ZM or even AM2R is the best.

>>380760330

I loved Zero Mission, even more rhan Super to be honest. The movements jyst felt so smooth.

>>380760330
>Plus the ending section was shit.
It was fucking awesome.

>>380760413
The map is absolutely not one of them.

>>380760368
I meant the ZS is the one from Other M with the ugly wedge heels you fucking retard.

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>>380757769
Metroids are just that strong, and their limited numbers could be a Chozo failsafe or something. You have to remember Samus is one of the Top 5 strongest single beings in the galaxy and at this point in the timeline the GFeds don't have the Ice Beam completely figured out. Just from what we've seen so far, that Zeta could probably massacre a Federation platoon bby itself since they don't have any man portable weapons capable of harming it. They'd need shipboard weapons to deal with the thing but the fuckers stay underground.

The backstory in the manual of the original Metroid 2 explains that the GFeds lost a research team, a search and rescue team, and then a specialized strike team before they resorted to calling Samus to figure out just what the fuck was going on down there.

>>380760316
Ok but dont put the blame on nintendo it wasthe shitty studio idea

>>380760247
I'm gonna be kinda pissed if he retcons it and makes Samus gush over the baby. She literally puts it in a cramped tube and gives to scientists to experiment on, she wasn't all that attached to it. Hell, in Fusion when she does the monologue about the baby she's basically like "oh yea, that happened..."

>>380759861
>No one's forcing you to press the fucking parry button you fool

>>380760673

>wedge heelies

You can't even see anything dipshit.

>mfw queen metroid tries to bite me
>mfw I parry her head upwards
>mfw I slam it to the ground with the grapple beam
>mfw morph ball inside her stunned body
No face, but mark my words

>>380760598
It's a poorly implemented waste of time with shit level design and the worst bosses in the entire series. I fucking challenge you to defend Mecha Ridley.

>>380760562
>Hell, in Fusion when she does the monologue about the baby she's basically like "oh yea, that happened..."
Not really. she point out how it saved her life twice.

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>>380759539
>Which had shitty level design

Zero Mission's level design was amazing and was made to be sequence broken and interconnected intentionally, unlike Super's accidental fluke of a map.

>>380759539
>Which had shitty level design.

Name some 2D metroid games with better level design than Zero Mission and Fusion.

>>380760927

What was wrong with him?

>>380760627
>The map is absolutely not one of them.
It actually is. You don't realise it because it force you into linear play, but once you are finally allowed to freely explore it, you discover it's a maze of interconnection and alternate pathways.

It make the frustration double that you couldn't explore freely all along.

>>380760785
>Hell, in Fusion when she does the monologue about the baby she's basically like "oh yea, that happened..."

She feels indebted to it. She's amazed that this baby Metroid ended up saving her life twice.

>>380761080
Super Metroid of course.

But ZM and Fusion still have great level design.

>>380749965
>>Produced by Yoshio Sakamoto, who has overseen every Metroid besides
Actually that is what I am worried about.

Other M was his vision for Metroid. I hope he learned from it or is restricted here so he can't make this "Metroid (an)other M".

>>380760035
>>380760497
I don't know, this sort of thing was in Other M as well.

Like honestly, if they wanted to add more depth to Metroid's combat, they should've done something with the shooting. Find some way to make the shooting more engaging rather than just throwing some shitty, over-the-top melee system in there.

That said, I still have high hopes for this game. I'm not a fan of MercurySteam but I have hopes that this game will turn out good.

>>380760973
>>380761241
Yea but she's not like "and I cried for hours after my precious baby died, who I loved like my own child". She thanks it and then moves on.

>>380761385
He's already doing it with this. He's adding in story elements of his own design.

>>380760674
>Metroids are just that strong, and their limited numbers could be a Chozo failsafe or something.
It's really strange that in the new version, there is now a Chozo statue checking if you killed the MEtroid and verify you have collected their DNA. Like, what, there are only 49 metroids in the world? At all and it was planned all along by the Chozo? So where did the space Pirates get their sample in the first place. What about the MEtroid they snatched and cloned in Zero Mission/Metroid 1? How come it is not taken into account by the chozo statue?

>>380760927
>I fucking challenge you to defend Mecha Ridley.
It's a fucking awesome boss that' force you to learn precise jumping and shooting.

>>380759539
>and Fusion, fuck him.
Fusion is nice.

>MercurySteam
>Nintendo's recent track record re: Metroid
>Nintendo's recent track record period
>people inevitably going to compare it to AM2R

This game is basically dead in the water, even moreso than Metroid usually is.

>>380761385
Brought to life by Team Ninja and D-Rockets who are no longer working on Metroid games,.

is it true this is 30fps

>>380749965
>MercurySteam's CV games
>shitty

spotted the 12 year old who thinks CV should remain Metroidvania forever

>>380762020
Team Ninja wasn't the problem with Other M. Sakamoto was.

>>380761427
Me too, I bet Sakamoto pulls a Zero Mission and use this game's engine to make Metroid Dread for the 3DS as one of the 3DS's last big exclusives sometime in 2019.

>>380761427
>Like honestly, if they wanted to add more depth to Metroid's combat, they should've done something with the shooting.

>Gee Samus has plenty all sort of Shooting, but what could make her better?
>I KNOW! GIVE HER MORE SHOOTING!
>BRILLIANT, Get on work immediately!
I didn't knew we had some of the Space pirtae research team in this thread.

>>380751304

You are literally the cancer pretending to be a Metroid fan.

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>>380761650
The DNA thing is new, so it'll likely be explained soon enough. Possibly Chozo being Chozo.

As for the number, there's a point in the original where the Metroid counter goes nuts and the Queen spawns 9 more Metroids so it's not like there's a hard limit on them. The statues could simply be verifying a certain amount of DNA or can detect how many Metroids there are and adjust requirements accordingly. It's all speculation at this point.

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>>380762190
I hope Metroid Dread will be on the Switch, al Wario Land Shake it!

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>>380761650
The chozo gate scans for nearby metroids once samus is close.
And the fist alpha is roaming free on the surface, recently evolved.
My guess is that the acid pool is a chozo containment system that small larvae can escape every now and then. The pirates took one of those

>>380762146
Yes they were, Hayashi constantly argued with Sakamoto because Sakamoto wanted Other M to be a 2D game and Hayashi wanted it to be Ninja Gaiden in Metroid skin which lead to what we ultimately got, D-Rockets made Other M's script and storyboards from Sakamoto's story guidelines and they argued with Sakamoto on having more Zero Suit with Sakamoto constantly turning them down. D-Rockets were also responsible for doing animations and stories for animes and movies.

>>380754662

The Prime 1 Varia is probably my favorite incarnation of the suit. I'm really digging SR though. it has a cool sort of retro vibe and actually makes the shoulder balls look like they serve some kind of purpose.

Other M is easily the worst. The Smash 4 model kind of smooths it out, but it's still pretty bad, especially compared to the Brawl model.

>>380762382
I hope too but Reggie is giving me doubts.

>>380762352
>so it's not like there's a hard limit on them
But that Chozo statue say there is.

>and adjust requirements accordingly.
It's mad of stone. Would it sprout stone Meroid DNA checker if more Metroid emerged?

some people aught to tell them that's not how crystal screens work.

The game itself will probably be fine and at this point doesn't look like it's straying too far from core Metroid characteristics.

The "3D" is hot garbage though.

Other M was a mess, no doubt. Beteween Sakamoto's insistence that they use ONLY the Wii Remote. Team Ninja clashing with him in game concept.

Far as Federation Force. It's a neat idea... It was just announced and came out at the wrong time. The game is servicable for what it tries to do. But even though it's POSSIBLE to play it solo, there are a few excruciating missions. Like the one you had to retrieve some energy cores from a Space Pirate base.

Not only were the cores were sentient and actively avoided you but if you were holding one, you were defenseless. And holding one will cause a bunch of high level pirates to spawn near the drop ship you're supposed to deliver them to.

>>380760330
No 2D Metroid will ever surpass Super Metroid but at least they will never be as bad as Other M.

>>380762718
Not if it is at 60fps. Link Between world looked great.

>>380758664
"Why it had very poor level design"
Read nigga read!

>>380762729
>But even though it's POSSIBLE to play it solo,
The game was designed to be played in multi.

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>>380762647
It is now.

>>380763019
Like the Forerunners in Halo, all you need to know is that they were very advanced.

>>380763202
And they look like Voldemort if he got assfucked by a brute

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How do we stop Sakamoto

>>380763328
True

>>380763551
We don't because if we do, we get no more 2D Metroid.

>>380763551
Right now, he seems streamlined enough.

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>>380763551
Acquire red flowers.

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>>380749965
My main problem with the game are the visuals. It looks like a shovelware title like Codename steam or Yoshi's New Island.

>>380762190
I'd be kinda okay with that.

>>380762213
One thing they could do is essentially make a mechanic around accuracy. When you successfully land a shot against an enemy, maybe you have a window of time to land another shot. Doing so will increase the amount of damage dealt and the rewards you get when you finally kill enemies/bosses. You'll need to keep your combo going at all times against bosses, which might be difficult to do when their offense is relentless. Just an example.

Throwing in a melee counter and a quick cinematic scene of Samus roughing and tumbling with enemies just screams uninspired and not really Metroid. Melee attacks aren't Metroid, with the combat, it's always been about the shooting. I just hope Metroid Prime 4 isn't infested with this shit.

European, here. They said at the Treehouse that you can download the 3D trailer on your 3DS, but II am still seeing nothign at the eShop.

>>380763823
Visuals aren't amazing, but they aren't THAT bad either. They're kind of middling. Even with the switch to 2.5D, it's not like they couldn't have given us an art style worth a shit either. Other 2.5D games have had good art styles, why not Metroid?

>>380764037
Speaking of, I hope they release a demo for this game like a week before it hits.

>>380763823
It doesn't look that good, no.

I think it's what makes the game "look" slower. If the animations were tweaked at least, it could keep the same exact effective speed and everyone would think the game is faster somehow. But her walking animation is just... not good

Also I notice how her postures are more feminine.

>>380764247
I am hoping it's more than a week before. Seriously, I do think it would benefit them to release a demo right now at e3.

>>380764478
I would fucking love for this to happen but I doubt it. I honestly doubt it'd even get a demo. Generally, Nintendo doesn't release demos for their first-party games, especially not for ones where the core gameplay hasn't changed that much from the last iteration.

>>380762514
You've been BTFO several times by now, stop defending Sakamoto, every bad decision in MOM was his.

>>380764701
Yeah, but it's also a mercury steam title and it's not difficult to make a demo of this. Let's not lose hope.

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>>380750086
They very clearly combined the Super and Other M suits.
Exactly like what AM2R did.
I'm curious to know why they moved the green sphere from the back of her left hand to the palm of her left hand, though.

>>380763823
I'm wondering if it's the same case with A Link Between Worlds - everyone agreed that the art style was awful and the graphics were sub-par pre-release, but it turned out that on the 3DS itself it looked (and ran) great

>>380754662
So many variations missing. What a shame.

The patterns on the bosses looked decently complex and punishing. I liked it.

>>380765136
I dislike the art style in ALBW, but the gameplay is quite good in my opinion. A lot of people I know don't like the idea of even trying the game because of the item rental system and the "non-linearity" aspect that supposedly makes the game easier, but I found it similar in terms of difficulty to ALTTP while having some variety on the side. I really liked it.

>>380764030
>Throwing in a melee counter and a quick cinematic scene of Samus roughing and tumbling with enemies just screams uninspired and not really Metroid
I disagree. There is no reason to limit to Shooting. Samus seems to be the kind to be versatile.

>>380764291
>Also I notice how her postures are more feminine.
That's just because it's not a 2D sprite anymore.

>tfw you played pretty much all metroid stuff there is and there's nothing much to get until this fucking thing comes out

Goddamn.

Playing Hyper Metroid for the second time. Eeeh.

>>380765597
You can show her versatility via items that she gets, not this God of war bullshit.

>>380765696
I just wish she had her classic run animation back. Seriously, are we ever going to get a 2.5D or 3D Metroid game where she actually runs like she did in the classic games?

>>380765136
the 60fps helped a lot. Even Anouma was surprised by it. One of his dev pushed for it and he agreed and was pleasantly surprised by the result. It's too bad he didn't apply the lesson for Major Mask 3D.

>>380765837
>You can show her versatility via items that she gets, not this God of war bullshit.
One doesn't forbid the other and it look nice when she use it.
>I just wish she had her classic run animation back
But she has. She is not walking more feminily than in Prime. It's just how she normally walk, that's it.
>are we ever going to get a 2.5D or 3D Metroid game where she actually runs like she did in the classic games?
We have. She run exactly like her sprite. It's just that the sprite are less detailed.

I just recently got into metroid for the first time after only dabbling in many years ago.

I finished Metroid Zero Mission, what should I play next?

>>380761650
Metroid I's manual explains how the Space Pirates got their Metroids.
An earlier research team managed to somehow capture a larva Metroid and were en-route back home when their vessel was raided. Samus destroyed all the Metroids on Zebes, which explains why Ridley needed to steal the baby at the start of Super, but the Prime games threw a wrench into the mix by having the Pirates have all kinds of Metroids on all sorts of different worlds. Now we don't really know why Ridley had to steal it if they had access to so many clones.

>>380766120
The first one, return of samus. super or prime. The only bad metroid games are other m and federation force.

>>380766120
Fusion, Super Metroid, then you could try some romhacks (like Hyper Metroid or SM Legacy) and then go straight to A2MR.

>>380761863
>that' force you to learn precise jumping and shooting.
Kraid does that first.

>>380766092
>One doesn't forbid the other and it look nice when she use it.
It looks stupid.
>But she has. She is not walking more feminily than in Prime. It's just how she normally walk, that's it.
I think you mean, "more feminine." Also that run animation is blatantly different from the one in SM, ZM, or Fusion.
>We have. She run exactly like her sprite. It's just that the sprite are less detailed.
See above.

>>380766120
>I finished Metroid Zero Mission, what should I play next?
Super Metroid, Fusion, or AM2R.

>>380765696
They seemed to have put more of a swing in her hips when she walks into the teleporter, feels kinda unneeded.

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>>380766120

>>380766183
>Samus destroyed all the Metroids on Zebes, which explains why Ridley needed to steal the baby at the start of Super
Technically retconned.
The Prime series basically tell us the story cultivating and Raising the Metroids to help them in their raid as bioweapon and how Samus fuck their plans everytime.

At the end the GF is so fed by the Pirates using metroids as for their raids that when Samus finally manage to destroy their last bastions, they ask Samus to go an SR-388 to make sure they don't try to clone a new one.

I am okay with this.

>>380764823
No I haven't it's actually been the opposite, after Other M, Sakamoto only went up, after Other M Team went in the shitter until Nioh. Now looking at this game it looks and plays like Metroid, something ain't adding up here and I think it's Team Ninja and D-Rockets. Now stop bitching that this is the third day I BTFO'd you on this.

>>380766358
Remember, Sakamoto has a disturbing waifu complex with Samus. Making her his perfect submissive feminine waifu is his goal. Other M is Samus as he always imagined her to be.

>>380760927
Honestly Mecha Ridley might be the easiest boss in the game but the first time I saw him slowly walking towards Samus it was creepy as fuck

>>380766608
If you had read the whole post, you'd have seen that I stated that already.

>>380766120
Did you enjoy it? You could try PRime, to test out ho a 3D metroid plays like and see if you enjoy the Prime series (chronologically, Prime take place just after zero Mission).

if, not you can either play the fan game AM2R, or play Super.

>>380760927
Meha Ridley was retarded.
Why did Ridley have a fucking robot copy of himself on his ship?

>>380751304
good riddance

>>380766641
I'm amazed that Nintendo STILL allows the man to call the shots. Dude should've been taken off the entire Metroid franchise after Other M.

>>380766404
Why are these charts always so retarded? Play them in the order they were made like the rest of us goddamn.

>>380749965
>Produced by Yoshio Sakamoto
Doesn't mean shit, he directed Other M and look at how it came out.

>>380766307
>>380766337
>>380766351
>>380766404

Thanks, I guess I'll go
>Super Metroid
>Fusion
>Prime Trilogy

And then I'll play the rest if I'm still feeling it.
Last question, is it important to play them in a specific order? I'm worried to miss plot points or even just references to other metroid games if I play them out of order

>>380766351
>It looks stupid.
It doesn't. it look cool. the way samus clunk the monsters with her Arm canon seems very natural, way better than the dodge system.
>." Also that run animation is blatantly different from the one in SM, ZM, or Fusion
The sole reason it's different is because the sprite are less detailed. that's it.
>See above.
Sprite are less detailed, she walk the same.

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>>380766889
Why not?

>>380766995
>directed
Not him but key word there, he doesn't do that anymore.

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>>380767046
Can't argue with that logic.

>>380766889
>>380767046

Wait what? I always thought mecha ridley was normal Ridley "repaired" with machine parts, kinda like Mecha Freezer in DBZ

>>380767016
>And then I'll play the rest if I'm still feeling it.
There is no rest. That's it.

Not until December.

I mean, there is still technically Hunters, who isn't really bad. and then there is Other M, deeply flawed game, if you feel lik a completionist.

after that what remains are the spin-off.like Pin-ball (fun) and Federation Force (okay in multi)?

>>380767016
>Last question, is it important to play them in a specific order?
Not really, no.

The timeline, if you're curious, goes
>Metroid/Zero Mission > Prime1 > PrimeHunters > Prime2 > Prime3 > 2 > Super > Other M > Fusion

Never played Federation Force so I don't know where it fits in exactly.

>>380767016
While there's some continuity and fusion references super metroid, you don't have to mind it much.

>>380766993
>Play them in the order they were made like the rest of us goddamn.
No. zero Mission should be played first. Then, once Samus Returns come out, that one, then super, then Fusion.

>>380767016

I recommend playing the 2D games in order; ZM > AM2R > Super > Fusion. There isn't a whole lot of story until Fusion but they do form a connected narrative.

Prime is totally separate. There's more story so you should play those in order too, but there's almost zero overlap with the 2D games in terms of story.

>>380767291
That's META Ridley you dip.

>>380767296
There's romhacks and AM2R. Some romhacks are really well done. Some are complete trash like the overrated Redesign.

>>380767394
>>380767402
Well then since I don't really mind going back and forth from 2d to 3d maybe I'll play the Prime games first, we'll see, thanks again

>>380767496
Redesign wasn't that bad originally, and it's definitely not bad now that it's been massively redesigned.

>>380767045
>>380767045
>It doesn't. it look cool.
Are you mentally 13 years old?
>The sole reason it's different is because the sprite are less detailed. that's it.
You're SERIOUSLY telling me they couldn't recreate the classic sprite animation but with a 3D model?

>>380766183
>Now we don't really know why Ridley had to steal it if they had access to so many clones.
One can assume that at the end of the Prime seires, Samus has finally managed to destroy all of the cloning labs.

>>380749965
>shitty Castlevania games

shitty? did you play them? They are solid games, nothing ground breaking, but very well executed.

>>380767640
>Are you mentally 13 years old?
No. Melee attack give a good clunk of Arm canon and it'd good. Give more opportunity for attack. Fit samus well. No issues with that.
>You're SERIOUSLY telling me they couldn't recreate the classic sprite animation but with a 3D model?
This is exactly what they did.

>>380767291
No, that's in Prime. Mecha Ridley in zero Mission is a creation Ridley made in his own image because he is arrogant like that and thought it would be super cool to have a Killer robot that look like him.

it's the canon explantion.

then he die and his rebuild in Prime as a robot.

>>380767490
To be fair, there are a lot of Ridleys to keep track of.
>Ridley
>Mecha Ridley
>Meta Ridley
>Omega Ridley
>Ridley 2
>Neo-Ridley/Ridley X

>>380767840
>No. Melee attack give a good clunk of Arm canon and it'd good. Give more opportunity for attack. Fit samus well. No issues with that.
Samus had never fought with melee attacks up until Other M, unless you count Smash. But for some reason, everyone wants Samus to smack enemies around up close, when, despite her strength, durability, etc., she's always taken out enemies from afar with her beam cannon.

>This is exactly what they did.
Do you have eyes, my good friend?

>>380768120
>everyone wants Samus to smack enemies around up close

I don't think anyone really wants that. Shooting will always be the crux of gameplay. Melee feels wrong, this isn't GoW.

>>380768120
I'm fine with a little bit of melee. If you've got a powersuit, use the added strength

>>380768120
>Samus had never fought with melee attacks up until Other M,
That doesn't mean it should be forbiddent. she is a werrior, that make sense. the Dodging was bad in Other M because it cold be triggered by spamming the buttons, but a direct attack like a parry fit well. And ennemy ram at her, make sense she will try to deflect it.

>But for some reason, everyone wants Samus to smack enemies around up close, when, despite her strength, durability, etc., she's always taken out enemies from afar with her beam cannon.
Gameplay can evovle, youknow. having a more diverse set of attack can be a good thing if done well.

>Do you have eyes, my good friend?
I do. you asked if she walked "more femininely" I answered to you question: she walk like usual, but now its more detailed.

>>380766635
Sakamoto didn't know the Gravity Suit was purple despite working on two games using it and told Tema Nnija to remove it from Other M because he thought it looked silly.

Team Ninja told him that Wiimote-only in a 3D space with all of Samus' abilities was retarded but Sakamoto wanted the nostalgic NES Metroid experience.

Also, the controls were one of MOM's least-bad problems, the horrible story and awful characterizations and the entire "Mother baby motherhood rewrite and ignore all of Metroid canon to push a mommy story" were far worse and 100% Sakamoto.

>>380768358
>>380768607
I'm not totally against the melee counter; what I fucking hate are the 'totally-not-QTEs' where Samus does le awesum xD things like picking up enemies and smashing them to the ground. It just looks stupid to me and I'm a huge cuhrayzeefag. Samus does not fight that way.

>Gameplay can evovle, youknow. having a more diverse set of attack can be a good thing if done well.
There's literally still practically no real diversity there. You have one melee counter move that can go into pseudo-QTEs and that's it.

>I do. you asked if she walked "more femininely" I answered to you question: she walk like usual, but now its more detailed.
Except for how her running animation is completely different now.

>>380769114
Fuck, meant to quote >>380768619

For the second part of that post.

>>380768619
>Gameplay can evovle, youknow

I don't want gameplay to evolve if it means destroying the very identity of a character and franchise. How would you like it if Final Fantasy characters ran around shooting people with guns or Sonic slashed people with swords?

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>>380769228
>How would you like it if Final Fantasy characters ran around shooting people with guns or Sonic slashed people with swords?

>>380769114
>'totally-not-QTEs'
They literally are not QTEs.

>>380768619
Just ignore him, some fans just hate to see the series evolve the right way. Just look at the Halo fanbase.

>>380769228
>I don't want gameplay to evolve
This is the very reason why F-Zero is dead.

>>380769367
They're like the Batman: Arkham counterattacks, which could transition into 'totally-not-QTEs' as well. It's pretty weak gameplay since the timing is so lenient.

>get classic Metroid gameplay
>a few additional gameplay options that take away nothing from the core experience
>WTF REEEEEEEE WHAT IS THIS GOW SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Metroidcucks are hilarious. Give them what they cry and beg for and they still find the most asinine inane things to blow out of proportion and bitch about. I can only pray that this and MP4 bomb so hard Nintendo buries the franchise for good right next to F-Zero. You whiny children don't deserve shit.

>>380769394
This is blatant bait.

>>380769228
Melee doesn't destroy the identity of Samus because she's more well known and has been exposed to the general public more through Smash games than her own.

I'm pretty sure that during the time of Melee and Smash4's announcement, people thought Metroid was completely ded.

>>380769707
Why haven't you been banned yet?

>>380768928
>Sakamoto didn't know the Gravity Suit was purple despite working on two games using it and told Tema Nnija to remove it from Other M because he thought it looked silly.
Yes that was his mistake but he told his team member to take it out not Team Ninja.

>Team Ninja told him that Wiimote-only in a 3D space with all of Samus' abilities was retarded but Sakamoto wanted the nostalgic NES Metroid experience.
The game should have been 2D anyway, 3D should never even been a thought process. No one asked for Other M and it looked like a failure when it was revealed.

>Also, the controls were one of MOM's least-bad problems, the horrible story and awful characterizations and the entire "Mother baby motherhood rewrite and ignore all of Metroid canon to push a mommy story" were far worse and 100% Sakamoto.
As I said before Sakamoto made the guidelines for the Story, D-Rockets is responsible for the script and storyboards. Look we can keep doing this all day long but at the end of the day we ain't going to get anywhere. We'll just agree to disagree Other M was shit, no one cares for it, no one remembers it, and even Sakamoto ignored it when talking about 2D Metroid only bringing up Fusion and Zero Mission, now can we please stop talking about that worthless piece of shit of a video game.

>>380754179
>Finally get a 2D metroid
>Pick apart petty shit like this
Metroid fans will NEVER be satisfied. Nintendo is making a mistake trying to appease them.

>>380770143
>still not banned

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>God Of War invented melee combat
>Final Fantasy characters have never used guns

You are all fucking retarded. Holy shit.

Nintendo's had more luck with taking "bad" developers and have them make "good" games than the opposite. I have faith in Samus Returns.

>>380769713
Not really, Metroid fans just want Super Metroid over and over and forgotten that the series always evolved from the game that came before, Metroid to Metroid II, Metroid II to Super. Halo fans have the same problem with Halo 1-3.

>>380770037
You're the faggot who keeps bringing it up, so try following your own advice.

>>380770143
>implying /v/ is an accurate representation of the fanbase
protip: it's not

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>>380766995
And he was also partly responsible for even creating the series in the first place. They fucked up with Other M, no one can attest otherwise to that, but it seems that they learned their lesson for the most part.

>>380770359
You're the one bitching about the game because the director of that piece of shit game is producing this one when for months I stated this.

>>380770191
Why would I be banned for expressing my opinions, an act protected by the 1st amendment?

>>380770245
>God Of War invented melee combat
This is literally not even the argument that I was trying to make, you fucking moron.

>>380770337
Except no one is complaining about the structure of the game. People are complaining about shoe-horning melee into the game and filling the game with muh cinematic takedowns, in a series that has never needed anything like this.

>>380770458
Shitposting is against the rules.

>>380770264
Star Fox Zero was shit, though.

>>380770538
As mentioned early it's called evolving the gameplay.

>>380770541
and yet here YOU are

>>380769228
>How would you like it if Final Fantasy characters ran around shooting people with guns

I'd like that a lot because then I'd be playing FFVII.

>>380770538
>OMG A SINGLE COUNTER MOVE METROID DESTROYED FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER!
>OMG YOU HAVE TO KEEP PRESSING BUTTONS DURING A MOVE TOTALLY COMPLETELY UTTERLY A QTE WAIT DOESN'T QTE MEAN SOMETHING THAT TAKES CONTROL FROM YOU WHATEVER I DON'T CARE EVIL EVIL EEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIL!

>>380767490
>Log 10.891.0

>The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenetic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end. Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armour plating have been added as well. We believe our creation, now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish.

tl;dr meta Ridley = Ridley defeated on Zebes

>>380770685
I'm just tired of your blatant falseflagging and shitposting.

>>380770651
>evolving
It's disheartening to think that someone might actually believe this

>>380770651
They could evolve the gameplay in dozens of different, more meaningful ways. With this counter, the game's combat is still just as shallow as ever.

>le wait to counter, then take off a huge chunk of a boss' life

I can already tell this game is going to be boring to play when that's all you're going to have to do against most enemies and bosses.

>>380770752
>all those caps
Try to make a point without posting like a retard next time.

>>380770946
alien babby?

Just curious, anyone care to fill out a strawpoll regarding Samus?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13208005
http://www.strawpoll.me/13208005
http://www.strawpoll.me/13208005

Let's just say we had a very interesting discussion about whether Samus should always be sexualized, and that Metroid 2: Samus Returns is "sjw shit" because Samus isn't in her Zero Suit constantly.

So does the European eShop not have that 3D trailer that they mentioned in the treehouse?

I can find the demo for Ever Oasis. And I can find 2D trailer that's the exact same as the one on youtube.
But no 3D trailer for Samus Returns.

>>380769228
>How would you like it if Final Fantasy characters ran around shooting people with guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1R3AtJsHC8
>or Sonic slashed people with swords?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICDC-1-pSrQ

>>380770996
Shitposting is screaming and crying that anyone who disagrees with you is a samefag that needs to be banned for hurting your feelings.

>>380771185
With the latter at least, it was completely retarded and no one really liked it anyway.

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>>380771130

Can't there be some middle ground?
Fan service during gameplay may be a bit out of place, but it's a tradition to have a reward at the end of the game.

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>>380771116

>Retro wanted to put actual bounty hunting in Prime 3
>Nintendo shot it down

>>380771278
I loved Sonic and Black Knight fuck you

>>380771278
>and no one really liked it anyway.
It's actually something of a cult classic and one of the best-received spinoffs of the franchise by those willing to give it a chance. It's still not a great game by any means, and it's very much a love-it-or-hate-it kind of thing.

Other M is better than Prime Hunters.

>>380771130
Why are both options pushing an agenda? Where's the option for not taking a hard side and being fine with power suit and zero suit?

>>380771524
Even Hunters' single player was better than Other M.

>>380771435
>Prime 4 is Prey 2

>>380771130
Reward at the end for playing well is the only acceptable option. Nintendo shoving ZS everywhere else, especially Smash, is retarded.

>>380771524
Not much of an accomplishment. Hunters was hot shit.

>>380771626
>Hunters was hot shit
Someone didn't have friends.

>>380754662
I fucking love the dark suit.
Prime 3 suit started out good but got progressively shittier with each upgrade. Fuck the shoulders in particular.

>>380771032
>Try to make a point without posting like a retard next time.

Long as you follow your own advice.

>>380771672
I don't play Metroid for arena shooting.

>>380771342

The middle ground is that the fans can enjoy porn on the luxury of the internet in their own forums and websites. You don't need to shove that into my video game. And if Samus, at any point, willingly takes off her suit to give us crappy sex fanservice, I'm taking points off for it. Leave it relegated to when she dies, so we forever associate it with failure.

>>380771571
Wrong.

>>380771626
Oh I agree. I'm just sick of people acting like Other M is the worst Metroid when Hunters (and now Federation Force) exists.

>>380770538
>Except no one is complaining about the structure of the game. People are complaining about shoe-horning melee into the game and filling the game with muh cinematic takedowns, in a series that has never needed anything like this.
It's called evolving, I want to here your idea for evolving 2D Metroid. If it's basically Super Metroid 2.0 then you can shut the fuck right up.

>>380771695
>Long as you follow your own advice.
I've made my point clear and presented it well. You morons defending this shit are ones who sound like fucking retards.

Explain how melee counters add anything truly meaningful to the game aside from, "W-w-well, it's something n-new, therefore evolution!" I bet you think assassinations in the recent Halo games are teh coolest thing evurr! xD

>>380771743
Doesn't mean it wasn't good at what was trying to do.

>>380771130
I don't think NOT sexualizing Samus is SJW bullshit, but I do think it's good of the developers to be honest about her being hot as fuck.

Hell, I'd love for some slice of life stills with Samus as rewards for different completion rates as much as I'd love a pin-up shot of her. Just seeing Samus in a turtleneck at a space cafe drinking space cocoa would warm my heart and be an equally nice ending as a booty shot.

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I think we can all agree that Samus Returns will be a good game, but it will never compare to AM2R, if only because AM2R does something few Metroids ever dared to do: actually have difficulty.

I'm sure SR will be great, from what we've seen at worst it'll be decent. It's Prime 4 that I'm more worried about, especially since we don't know who's working on it.

>>380771991
It wasn't.
It really wasn't.

>>380771879
Neither of those destroyed Samus' character, ignored and rewrote the Metroid canon, and forced motherhood and a crying bounty hunter down our throats while demanding we suck Adam Malkovich's cock. If I was in hell and Satan gave me a choice of those three games to play for eternity, I'd pick both Hunters and FF over MOM because they'd be less torturous.

>>380772130
But it was.

Who do I have to kill to get good pixel art in a modern game?
3D models and 2D environments just don't mix well, honestly.

>>380771889
>It's called evolving, I want to here your idea for evolving 2D Metroid. If it's basically Super Metroid 2.0 then you can shut the fuck right up.
See >>380764030 and that's just one thing.

I always thought it'd be cool if they went in a sort of run 'n' gun direction in terms of combat, basically making it 10x more frenetic, enemies rushing at you constantly in certain rooms, enemies coming in patterns, bullets flying everywhere like a bullet hell game, but still keeping the Metroid formula. There's your fucking evolution, and it'd be a much bigger evolution than "LOL melee counters."

>>380772067
This one looks like it will actually be somewhat difficult as well, the zeta did 115 damage with 1 acid projectile.

>>380772130
>>380771879
I'm seeing a lot of nothing as far as arguments though.

>>380772017
>>380771570
>>380771610

I just want Samus to be respected again. She doesn't have to be a shrieking harpy who nags about white privilege or gender politics, but neither do I want her to become a pole fellating stripper who sucks off any guy who pays her a couple of C-notes.

>>380772067
The only difficulty in AM2R is that Metroids do extreme amounts of damage. It's almost artificial.
It's otherwise just as piss easy as real Metroid games.

>>380772067
The enemies seem easy to predict/counter for any experienced gamer or series veteran, but they'll hit like a fucking truck in the process.

But then i'm not exactly looking for something as hard as AM2R's Flying Chorizo battle.

>>380772225

>This one looks like it will actually be somewhat difficult as well, the zeta did 115 damage with 1 acid projectile.
Haha, you consider that difficult? Until every single enemy can one shot you, while having all the save stations disabled, that ain't nothing.

>>380771130
>I must be either some faggot who jacks off to cartoons or some marxist sensible hack

>>380772358
>flying Torizo
>hard

>>380772290

Thne you haven't played AM2R 1.2.9. The modifiers and hell run mode are something to be adored.

>>380772191
>caring about the plot in Metroid

>>380772251
Why make a counterargument when you didn't provide an argument to start with?

>>380772221
That's not Metroid, dipshit

>>380772480
Ah yes, the patch made by jokers who have no idea what actual balance is.

>>380764037
>>380771167
Yeah it's not on the European shop. It's been three days and it's not there.
At this rate I wonder if it'll ever be added.

>>380772262
So basically you want her to be what she always was before Smash/Other M? I think everyone wants that.

>>380772480
>hell run mode
Is this what I think it is?

why is everyone so salty about AM2R?
fuck, we get two remakes, one free, choose your favorite one, argue about it on /v/ and pray samus returns sells well so we can get a sequel or something jesus
It's not that hard people

>>380771167
>>380764037
>>380772594
freeshop

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I love this design. The metal "vents" (or whatever those cylinders on the pauldrons are), the screws on the elbows and new collar. The gun has some nice tubing and metal work, the pauldrons fins are back, the Dark Samus esque visor is cool, chunky plating on the legs with the protruding prime donuts. I dig it a lot. I'm glad that overly streamlined and feminine plastic toy from Other M is being phased out, hopefully she'll be fully cleansed by the time the next smash happens.

>>380772553
It would literally just be Metroid but with combat inspired by the likes of Contra. It's already a side-scrolling game with shooting elements. At least it'd make sense as a sort of progression of the series.

>>380772679
>prime donuts
That's a Super feature. Same with the chunky plating. See >>380750701
I want to know why they moved that sphere from the back of her hand to the palm of her hand, though. It's like they wanted the Iron Man audience.

>>380772665

I just don't want AM2R shitposted to death by Nintendo marketers who think that only Metroid 2 SR is allowed to exist. It's not fair to Dr. M at all, especially when he gave the game his blessing at E3. It's not like he;'s being a douchebag like Jim Sterling and saying "PIRATE THE NINTENDO GAMES BECAUSE THEY'RE MEAN POOPYHEADS."

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>>380771130
>Yes, only SJW filth would bother showing a woman without some T&A.
>No, Samus deserves more respect as a woman and a video game character.
But I want both. And for the majority of Samus's history, she has had both.

Why do you people always make it out to be one or the other?

>>380772679
true I can't wait to see promo art and renders of this suit in other poses
imagine the back side with the new reactor nnnghhh

>>380772912

Because when you try and have both, you end up with Other M. Samus was at her best when she wasn't a sexy strong empowered womyn who was fetish fuel, but a video game character who just so happened to be a woman. Her tits were incidental, not a crucial part to her character.

>>380772262
The only people "disrespecting" Samus are people like you who are constantly shaming her for having curves. Since being both hot and badass is apparently impossible. Even if she does something cool in the zero suit it doesn't count because you got a boner.

>>380772718
Nah.
Metroid combat has always been about easy mob enemies you pick off and piling a destructive arsenal into an enemy's weakpoint. But if you just made it so Samus was running around blowing everything up to death like Contra or Metal Slug, it'd only really fit for some spinoff rather than a main installment because it's at complete odds with the exploration and style the franchise goes for.

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>>380772848

Bit of both yeah, they don't have the glowing green cores in Super though.

>>380772859
ok i see but how would they do that? Wouldn't
it be just easier to act like it never happened?

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>>380772679
>have bounty on my head
>in dark room
>that visor and shoulders light up subtly outlining Samus doing her up-yours pose
>banic!

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>>380749965
I like the dynamic shapes present here. Makes me wonder if MercurySteam has its LoS art team working on this game.

>>380772848
It's basically a cross between Super and Other M, the same way Zero Mission's design was a cross between Super and Prime.
Other M already incorporates some Prime designs, so you could say this suit is a Super/Prime/Other M fusion. Or just Zero Mission/Other M.

>>380773053
It did in Zero Mission, which was basically Super's design with Prime's detailing.

>>380773049
>it'd only really fit for some spinoff rather than a main installment because it's at complete odds with the exploration and style the franchise goes for.
That's not necessarily true. You could design the entire game around having crazier gameplay but compensate by still keeping the traditional Metroid structure of the game, and having lots of areas of mostly isolation that you'd need to explore but some areas having more enemies with more stuff happening than previous games in the series.

>>380765309
who knew missiles had such an effect on Samus' appearance?

>>380773048

I'm not shaming her for having curves. I'm shaming the people who hate Prime and call it "SJW shit" because Samus doesn't strip down and fellate a banana constantly. Thanks to Other M, we need to exorcise the cancer of sexualization from the series, even if it means permanently exiling sexy Samus to the very end of the games, behind a 100% ending. The gameplay can no longer suffer just because Sakamoto has a waifu complex.

>>380773048
I hate people like you who misinterpret posts like that. Samus is hot, she's been hot since '86. Nobody is arguing against that point. What doesn't need to happen is the game traipsing her around like a cheap whore in a latex fetish outfit in high heels. Keep her in the suit and reward the player for performing well via seeing her without the suit. You know, the way it was for around 25 years?

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>>380773041
>when you try and have both, you end up with Other M
Nah. Other M Samus wasn't very respectable.
Classic Samus was though. Zero Mission Samus was. Prime Samus was. Pretty much every Samus but Other M Samus.

>>380771608
>Prime 4 is being developed by humanhead

>>380773514

Zero Mission Samus suffered because they had to make her "vulnerable" and "exposed" at the end of the game, to try and make her more deep as a character, when it fell flat and was cringeworthy garbage.

Samus didn't need to lose her suit during the space pirate infiltration. She just needed to face off against some super tough elite pirates who could stop her weaponry. Give her some dignity.

There is nothing wrong with Samus in Smash. Your problem isn't with Samus. It's with Smash fans and their fanbase.

Why are Metroid threads so variable in quality?
Sometimes you get good ones, but this thread is simply crap.

>>380773815
It's probably some fucking Canadians.

>>380773737
I mean, it's not like it's offensive. She fucking tasers them with a stun gun and then blows their up from the inside out. If anything, Smash Bros Brawl made that depiction of Zero Suit Samus more.. questionable by turning the stun gun into an electro whip of all things.

>>380773737
The Zero Suit segment in Zero Mission is
1. Pretty short.
2. A section where Samus does some pretty badass stuff
3. A section that ends with an absolutely amazing climax where you rush towards the final challenge of the game fully powered up while decimating everything that you passed prior.

I really do not see the problem with it. And I never have. It's not some recent thing. I've been all for that segment ever since the original release of Zero Mission.
And it firmly cemented, through gameplay, that Samus is a badass with or without her suit. That is dignity.

>>380773737

Zero Mission is the only time I've ever enjoyed the zero suit and it's primarily because of the power fantasy you get when you recover all your tech. Being forced to run, hide and sneak with a gun that's basically worthless is the perfect set up for turning you back into a walking tank. It contextualizes just how powerful she is perfectly.

Turning ZSS into a sexy ninja with a whip is what ruins it imo. I don't think what zero mission does has anything to do with trying to make Samus a deeper character but instead giving the player a hell of a power rush.

>>380773815
The tension of a potentially dying franchise makes every thread a roller coaster of emotions
Can you imagine Samus returns might be the last game of the franchise? It's not like mario or zelda for which I don't even know if there can be a bad game anymore because the general populace is sure to like whatever comes out

Metroid, however, is right between life and death right now

>>380772679
If they show any closeups of the zero suit, I hope its design gets and overhaul too. One of the biggest problems with it is just that it's design is so boring. It'd be nice if it was designed to be more functional and mechanical looking.

Though it's weird that in this and Zero Mission you can see the zero suit when you die, but shouldn't it be the clothes that she's wearing under the suit like in the other games? Because the zero suit is part of the suit, and the suit explodes when you die, the zero suit should explode too, right? I dunno.

>>380774224
Don't forget that the actual level design of that section is superb.

>>380773747
I don't have a problem with Samus in Smash at all. I have a problem with Zero Suit Samus. Why go the lazy option and make a slightly altered Shirk clone nobody asked for when there are so many other options? Dark Samus, Sylux, Rundas, Weavel, hell an SA-X would all have been better.

>>380768076
What's the reason for him looking normal in Super after being a cyborg and then a phazon abomination.

>>380774456
I'd agree with you that the zero suit addition as an additional character was unnecessary.
But there is still nothing wrong with that depiction of Samus. Eve if it might be out of place in Smash in particular.

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>>380774457

He got better.

Maybe he ate people, doesn't that regenerate his flesh in the manga or something.

>>380772718
Metroid is about exploration, if you push combat too far you might as well not call it Metroid.

>>380774224
The climax is boring as shit since you just go backwards through a poorly designed temple and ship instant killing everything. Mecha Ridley is a pathetic boss and may be the worst one in the entire series. The space pirates never present any credible threat even in your ZS because they're so retarded. It was a shitty cap to an otherwise decent game. On subsequent playthroughs it's just tedious. The only good thing about it is that it's short.

>>380774457
Tubes.

>>380774730
>tfw no Gravity Suit in Metroid 2
Shit, we won't see any cool suits until Metroid Prime 4 huh?

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>>380774826

The Space Pirates are hilariously stupid though, I'd call that a plus. Even today I still lose it whenever one of them gets fried by another.

>That girly shriek as a pirate gets zapped

>>380774792
>implying you can't do both
>implying the gameplay and world design overlap that much
>implying implications

>>380774792
>2D side scroller where areas are all drag, washed out, and look nearly identical
>all about that exploration, bruh

The toppest of keks to you.

>>380775030

With how much they're changing I wouldn't be surprised to see it honestly.

>>380774730
Yes, canon explanation is that Ridley has hyper tissue regeneration and even has cellular memory, so even a piece of him surviving means he can be regrown. Which honestly sucks for Samus because that means that he's unlikely to ever be killed.

>>380774792
But combat, if piss easy, has always been a major facet of Metroid game design. I'm not even saying it should go in that direction permanently. I'd just like one 2D game that tried to do something like that.

Also, I know we all hate the Zero Suit, but maybe you could have one Metroid game where she's outside of her suit and has to use real guns, which might have ammo which might be consumed. Because she's out of her Power Suit, she might have different upgrades and items to get, significantly changing the way you'd play a Metroid game.

>>380775030
If AM2R can fit the gravity suit in, so can z Nintendo.

>>380775208
She's just gotta vaporize him. I'm sure there's something in that cannon of hers that can do the job.

>>380775212
Fusion was pretty combat heavy. It had some fantastic boss fights.

>>380775383
>Light Beam does that
>She lost it after leaving Aether
>Ridley wasn't there to get vapourised.

>>380775537
why does she loses items after a mission by the way?

>>380775598
Well in the case of Echoes, she gave back the planet's light which included the non-Chozo power-ups.

>>380775512
Exactly. Just make something like that but with a few areas where there's lots of crazy shit going down and the game becomes essentially run 'n' gun for a few rooms, and also have bosses that are more threatening or even go full bullet hell, with lots of projectiles you'd need to dodge (you could even do something with the Space Jump with this, like that Flying Torizo fight in AM2R). And if anything, make the game less linear than Fusion. There you go, evolution of Metroid right there.

>>380775383
Complete Vaporization is pretty hard to do, you know how much tissue we scrap off onto things every day? Heck, that was the entire point of Other M, that Samus had tons of tissue samples on her suit that the GF cultivated. It really depends more on how small a tissue sample that Ridley can come back from.

Other M it was a cloning process that allowed him to be reborn. The only one we aren't sure of is Prime 3 because he became a literal pile of goo. So did the Pirates put him through the clone vat with stored cells? Or did he actually come back from that Phazon Goo.

If Samus knocked him into the sun and she then put herself through a complete sterilizer to kill anything foreign on her. MAYBE and that's hoping that the Pirates don't have some kind of back up in case of this.