How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

>>380743679
There was another tube you can find that is already broken. That's the clue.

>>380743679
>How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

How the FUCK can you post the same stupid shit over and over?

>>380743782
this. not only is the other broken tube a huge clue, but you normally get the power bombs just prior to this section.

>>380743679
So you're the guy devs are pandering to these days. Thanks, I guess. BRB my next QT prompt is coming up.

>>380743679
Kid you have no idea what actual undiscoverable stuff looks like. Go play something like Grim Fandango and come back to us.

When I used to get stuck in games I just tried everything and eventually something worked out.

Kids this days are both dumb and lazy.

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>>380743679
How the fuck were you supposed to figure THIS out?

>>380743782
>>380744113
It's also just plain a totally different vidya world and culture these days. Back then when we were living that era we were all just more sensitive to secret stuff and trying to shoot everything and explore everywhere and look for subtle hints and clues. Players got into the zone of expecting to have to find stuff themselves. Modern kids who who expect on-rails lighted sign QTEs for everything just aren't in the habit of that at all and get all mad about it. In fact even expecting them to go find a FAQ is too much nowadays, they'll just give up rather then try to read anything.

>>380744489
Still to this day I've got no clue how you solve the wheelbarrow on the vires stuff in the forest.

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How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

I was 10 years old and I figured it out:

Literally spamming everything I had out of frustration.

>>380743679
you get a map station that reveals there's more to that room than just that one square

right after you hit the map station you enter a one way room that takes you here

according to your new map there's a save point below and a door to the rest of the meridia up top

i was only 9 years old when this game came out and i figured out without a guide because the map makes it clear it's the only direction you can go

>>380744113
Bombs do nothing. Shooting does nothing. X-ray definitely doesn't show it's breakable. How the fuck are you supposed to know it's breakable? Other than wasting power bombs?

by not being an absolute retard and actually experimenting

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>>380743679
How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

You waste a power bomb, which also happens to be the most efficient way to tell if there's something to break in a room.

>>380744489
I have no idea how to actually solve pic related. I just hit switches until shit started to work.

Grim Fandango was a fucking trip without a guide. Tough as fuck, but thinking outside the box for some of the more obtuse puzzles made me feel like a genius when it worked out.

>>380744930
You push the wheelbarrow over the wires to temporarily stop the little antennae on the tower. Your goal was to get the left side and right side out of sync so that it would start to wobble and fall over.

>>380743679
Opening cutscene shows you how. I figured it out when I was a little kid really not that hard if you

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>>380745415
fuck, forgot picture.

>>380745242
You don't know if it's going to be breakable or not, but you try what you have. You also find a loop around to this area just after getting Power Bombs, if you are paying attention, the game does this a lot, it directs you in subtle ways towards areas where your new power up can be used. Why wouldn't you try power bombs on everything just after getting them?

>>380745481
Cont: if you just chilled before the main menu and let the gameplay videos play

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>>380744716

>>380745481
Could you point me the spot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAsGpEaqEg

>>380743679
Never did as a kid. Just turned the game Off and started over.

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>>380743679
Hear from a friend or read it in a guide/magazine which they sold you.
This was common practice back in the day, as such guides formed a significant portion of the income from games in Japan.
>>380743782
That's not a connection anybody would logically make, don't kid yourself.

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>>380743679
How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

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>>380743679
2 things
Map station
Enemy

Theres a map that shows you need to keep exploring around there somehow. You would think that you would simply go behind the tube though once you find a way in.

Until you see an enemy that pisses you off so damn much you finally power bomb the fucker for staring you down every fucking time you come back to this god damn room.

So basically an in game clue that it is possible to get there and also motivation to use the move eventually, for me it was emotion based because I got so angry as a kid since other games didnt stump me.

>>380745820
What the fuck, I was going to say.

>There are four intro gameplay vids for you to see, it's in one of them.

But when I went to look up a vid for all of them, the clip STILL isn't there. We didn't meme this, it exists. What the hell?

>>380744532

> Kids this days are both dumb and lazy.

No, we just don't have the time to deal with cryptic shit like when we were children l. If I get stuck in a game I'll just look up the solution.

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>>380743679
>rest of the game is blocked with areas of pure black
>there are visible platforms outside the tube
>broken tube earlier in the game
>stop being retarded

Like that OP

Because back then, you had just this one game to play at the moment, so you either figure something out or your weekend is ruined.

>>380746217
You'd just cheese it by getting the staff of making blocks from the 7th temple, obviously.

>>380743679
You literally never have to figure this out. You can access above the tube by going through the Wrecked Ship and the only thing below the tube is a Save Station.

>>380745751
Yeah, but the thing is none of the other colour gems are acquired like it, being found through hidden paths and in one case just by beating a river level before the timer runs out. Nobody would think to not smash the boxes so the box counter at the end saying "[number]/0" isn't really gonna be noticed.

>>380746062
>That's not a connection anybody would logically make, don't kid yourself.

None mentally challenged people did.
This meme underwater tube was never an issue. No one ever complained about this until recent years when younger kids started going back to older games and being stomped by retarded shit like this because no ingame protip popped up telling them what to do.

>>380746217
I got past that when I was a kid on the GBA version. Granted the GBA version made it easier but still I never used a guide.

>>380744113
>>380743782
There's a SHIT TON OF BROKEN AND UNBROKEN DOODADS in the game, that premise doesn't hold when there are countless examples that prove otherwise.

>>380746062
Maybe you are retarded

>>380746217
This was easy for me since it funnels you in the right direction. One of the more linear dungeons in the dark world honestly. A bitch for minimal runs though if you die on the boss.
That image is also missing the horizontal room with the moving floor and spikes everywhere.

>>380746636
6th dungeon of the dark world and yeah thats the best way to do it

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>>380746843
>Hey guys I did this and it wasn't hard all I did was play the casualized dumbed down version see it's so easy why couldn't you guys do it xD I was born in 2006 btw

>>380746846
Um, okay sweetie you need to sit down and be quiet.

>>380746778
>No one ever complained about this until recent year
How do you know when there wasn't internet back then?

>>380743679
The game came with an official strategy guide. At least in the European release.

Also, in older games (old RPGs in particular) it was fairly common to include puzzles that you'd have a hard time solving on your own because developers made money by selling strategy guides.

>>380744716
>>380745751
>>380746729
Idk senpai but i found it pretty obvious and got it bymself without any external help or knowledge
>beat the level, get the box gem
>hmm im still missing a blue gem
>go trough the level a few times looking for clues or something as to where it could be
>nothing
>maybe i have to do it without breaking any boxes
Not hard to figure it out

It's a fucking glass tube, and you have a full-screen bomb.
The only other tube in the game is already broken.
Did you never just try it to see what would happen?

I clearly remember when I was 11 and playing this game at a comic store ($3 for 1 hour of playtime!) and I was giddy when it worked.

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>>380743679

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>>380746778
>>380746874
Nah. That's a random guess which you have no real reason to assume from a logical standpoint. Every fucking game released back in those days would reuse assets with slight changes like that. Even the idea that it was near where you got the power bombs is a far more reasonable one than that. You weren't smart for figuring out, you were a dipshit who put things into random holes and happened to get it right. Assuming you actually did figure it out back in the day, which you probably didn't, because otherwise you'd be fully aware that games pulled stupid shit like that with the specific intention to stonewall players on a regular basis.

You literally were not meant to figure it out without random guesswork or paying up.

>>380747480
And?

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How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

>>380745365
Simple trial and error?
I giggled a bit when I made the two statues jump into each other

>>380745365
Ok. In all sincerity, I absolutely fucking hated that puzzle. The reason being, is because it was just a random puzzle. It didn't tie into the Zelda lore at all. You didn't use any of Links weapons or abilities to solve it. There were no hints in-game as to how to solve it. It could have literally just been a Sudoku puzzle, or a game of tic-tack-toe, or a slide-the-blocks-and-solve-the-image puzzle. And I'm fine for those kinds of things as a mini-game, but to be part of a major "questline" was just absurd.

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How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

>>380747502
But even back then, if you were stuck but had a random path to which you could go on the map, it was usually the case that you best just tried out all skills and items in the places near that indicated path.

>>380747640
That's not comparable at all.

>>380747759
Did someone say it was?

>>380747502
Dude you should probably calm down. Check this.
>>380746452

There was only 1 other tube in the whole game that looked like that as well. The thing is if you apply zelda logic to metroid you can succeed.

This is nothing compared to other retro games so you are either less inclined to abstract thinking than others OR somehow everyone else who ever disagrees is a big fat liar and your always right. Thats how you are coming off.

>>380747592
You're clearly retarded.

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>>380746706
You actually do need to figure it out,
By design anyway, as the only other way between the upper and lower sections of the zone involves opening a green shutter from the wrong side by glitching a super missile through it.
If you think I'm wrong go ahead and draw the route you think will get you there on this map. watch out for that silver one way

That said, the path you suggest does lead to a similar tube that's already broken as part of the environment and this is suppose to be your hint.

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How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

>>380747480
Look more like blown up doors

>>380747592
Metroid back then had very good attention to detail. You're supposed to notice how the ends of the tube are blown out from an explosion of some kind.

>>380747758
Sure, random guesswork could totally get you there. But pretending the broken tube was a clue and that you totally figured it all out and knew exactly what you were supposed to do before you randomly bombed it is just lying.

>>380747927
>looks nothing like the door graphic and is easily 3 times the size
>looks like doors

Not even close man, what are you even doing.

>>380747759
I hear you. It should have been simplified or at least some clues should have been provided beforehand, such as a bell-ringing mini game.

>>380748002
There are plenty of places where stuff is broken from explosion or something and can't be broken by yourself at any point. What makes this special?

>>380748091
Except it does look like it is part of the door system, the color is distorted because it is underwater

>>380748009
Well, I can believe someone might have found this thing suspicious.

Maybe it was because I was a kid that I didn't get the hint initially.

But at least it wasn't too random in that the map and even screen graphics really gave you a very clear hint around where to start trying stuff.

>>380746996
(You)

>>380748150
I mean, you're right. It's not the best hint, but Japan had (and still somewhat has) a fetish for dick-move puzzles with absolutely zero clues, so this was still pretty generous for the time.

>>380748354
The doors arent flanged exactly the same way as the only other tube in the game and doors are much thinner.

Seriously Super metroid used all of the snes power to show amazing attention to detail as far as showing where hidden paths and secrets are. Even more so guiding you along the main path. I never realized until replaying it as an adult but I can see why I loved it so much when I was young.

>>380746549
Wait what? You dont have "the time"??? Holy shit this new generations

Dont play games pls and kys

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>>380743679
How the FUCK were you supposed to figure this out?

>>380747345
>maybe i have to do it without breaking any boxes
Who the hell even thinks that? It's bullshit.

I scoured that level searching for the gem and in the end it's just "lol don't Smash any boxes". That's just bad game design. The other colour gems and hidden warps were well hidden but weren't cheap like the Blue Gem was.

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>hurr how were you suppose to know this required path with clear clues along the way to it

This is way worse than that I mean come on. Power bombs arent even required to beat the game let alone break the only tube in the game with zero clues you would be able to

>>380748507
>haha i was only pretending to be retarded ill just mask the fact that i'm a complete fucking retard by just saying (you) that means that what you said was inherently wrong and i dont have to explain myself at all im totally not a complete fuckwit

here's your you kys

>>380748290
What's the problem with this?

>>380746062
>That's not a connection anybody would logically make, don't kid yourself.
Nigger, I made that connection when I played this as a fucking nine year old. Pretty sure you're just a retard.

>>380749019
(You)

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>>380743679
So I heard you guys like fun easy things to figure out.

>>380743782

/thread
also don't forget that you've just seen a huge amount of Maridia and should be keenly aware that there are a bunch of rooms just outside of that tube.

>>380743679

Nintendo is famous for hiding stuff in their commercials, and Super Metroid is no exception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEJRopoENZY (at 0:22)

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>>380749430
My D'ni!

>>380743679
I figured it out, without knowing english when I was 10 years old.

It is not hard, also, I believe that there was a hint at demo gameplay.

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>>380749418
kys

>>380749582
>>380745820

>>380749604
No (You)

>>380749582
>I believe that there was a hint at demo gameplay.

I was sure of this for years as well, but there actually isn't a hint there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsIBLOx12KU

It does show off a lot of other stuff though.

>>380749430
How did you have a problem with that? Did you get disoriented or something?

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>>380749604

>>380749881

It's because it was in one of the adverts.

>>380749430
it's weird, the 3dcg is obvious and dated as fuck, yet even so somehow riven still looks pretty good to me overall particularly for a 1997 game.

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>>380747720

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More importantly, who were you supposed to figure THIS out?

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>>380750069
Map station reveals it

>>380749947
Pre-rendered graphics tend to age better.

>>380750069

Observe the minimap.

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SO YOU WANT THAT LAST BEAD RIGHT? NO PROBLEM IT'S JUST A FEW EXTRA POINTS TO HIT HAHA... How many of you faggots used a camera or chalk/marker on the screen or something?Why couldn't I have thought of that fuck damn it.

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How the FUCK did you figure THIS one out?

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fucking Valve

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>>380750069
Always the map.

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>>380750274
>How many of you faggots used a camera or chalk/marker on the screen or something?

Just did this like a week ago and recorded it with my phone

>>380749972
This shit pissed me off so much
It wasn't even a room in a dungeon you just had to know to use that weapon.

>>380743679
I had a harder time figuring out how to make Metroid crawl.

>>380750309
Please, both Portals were full of very easy puzzles.

>>380750186
I think Cyan back then in particular also just had a pretty good sense of style and artistry, there is other pre-rendered stuff from that era that hasn't aged so well. They had Myst under their belts though and really had the tools down plus were willing to sink a lot into each frame, they made the place really organic. There was attention to fine detail we don't see so much anymore, I don't think a game like Myst or Riven could ever get greenlit with a big budget nowadays, or for that matter sell so well.

>>380750384
Come on anon, the fastest completion is ONLY 82 moves, you can figure it out.

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OK seriously, how THE FUCK are you supposed to find this?

>>380750309
You're joking right?

>>380743679

Run from left to right.

What's the issue?

>>380750186
Tell that to Resident Evil.

Common sense

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>>380743679
>he doesn't bomb every room in the game to look for secrets

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>lol you didnt notice the chain was slightly different?
>but muh subtle breathing
>heh... get gud... hahah btfoo
soulsfags will defend this

>>380750458
I didn't have a smartphone or even a featurephone at all back in 2006. I had a plain cellphone for work and emergency use and that was it, I didn't get on the digital train until later for better and for worse. I could have stuck some temporary marks on the TV though, glass CRT still at that point so would have easily come right off. Instead I suffered through it, getting the item though felt like a real achievement since I wasn't using a guide either. I should replay it, too bad Crapcom were such faggots to clover.

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>>380750608
I actually figured it out as a kid (8-10y/o dunno anymore).

But seeing how this is a thread with people bitching about easier puzzles...

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>>380747903
>sequence break suitless into maridia
>mfw that fucking quicksand

>>380750309
>>380750659
>>380750558
you are supposed to break the tube with the rocket so a cube falls out, that was just bad game design
thank god there were lot of chairs

>>380750938
>chain is backwards
>why i'm stupid

>>380748668

I didn't. Until I was 15 or something. What a game.

I was so far into the game when it hit me; I felt like a dum dum

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>>380749972
pph that's nothing, try this:

First, defeat the Imprisoned Pols Voice, Last, Stalfos...

>>380750938
The first mimic you encounter in the first Dark Souls is very clearly differently and oddly placed compared to chests you've encountered before it. It's placed diagonally in the centre of the room, also with a bloodstain right in front of it.

>>380751020
>you are supposed to break the tube with the rocket so a cube falls out
Yeah, it was pretty obvious that it breaks glass given that's how you even get into the room with the missile in the first place.

>>380751385
Are all the people who had problems with this illiterate or something?

>>380751497
It wasn't obvious it can break tubes and the cube flies through like once in a minute.
It might be "obvious" for retards who don't know how programming works.
Good game design would be to show beforehand the rocket breaks tubes.

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>>380751385
>Backtrack three times TO PROGRESS
>Fuck, missed the key on bottom floor
>Wait, how did I get to the drain button again?

The true worst water dungeon

>>380750384
>>380750983
I figured it out as a 12yo nerd too, but it definitely took way more then the optimal number of moves. Still, Lufia II was a great game in general. Battle theme is still something that sticks with me, one of the best on the SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBnYGYa6l3M

>>380751896
>Lufia II
>DS version
>they change the glorious classic designs into idolpop tween faggots
REEEEEEEEEEEEE I will never not be mad about that.

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>>380743679
You weren't.
Metroidfags get a kick out of obtuse puzzles and autistic, self-imposed challenges.

>>380751871
I can recall the music for that note for note, right goddamn now. Haven't played in over a decade either.

>>380751385
Yea, just follow the instructions?!You need to throw a pot... how is that hard?
I was more confused about whether the piranha plant had any significance..

>>380751797
>literally knew what I had to do at that moment the first time I played it
I'm sorry you're so slow of mind, anon.

>>380743679
By watching the attract mode demo, dummy.

>>380743679

Video games in the 90s were different, you would play them blind and progress very slowly, sometimes taking up to a year to complete.

I had the opportunity of playing Link to the Past and decided to do a blind run of it, it took me almost 2 years of on/off play and when I finally beat it it felt amazing

>>380745510
Aha. I always assume I can solve this one logically but then end up slapping switches when it does not work out.

>>380746846
yeah and I would have tried to bomb all of them

>>380751385
Link's Awakening had waay more cryptic puzzles, like that one where you just have to randomly throw a pot at the door the get it open
>>380751713
not him, but in my case I just never really bothered with the owl statues, and it usually worked out fine until that part

>>380752289
https://youtu.be/9joKU_jPqis?t=2163
>36:03

>>380751896
> but it definitely took way more then the optimal number of moves
Oh sure. Same for me. I even missed finishing it once by one move and added another like 300 moves. 'cause stupid kid at work.

And the theme also stuck with me, but I found *a lot* of SNES soundtracks memorable.

>>380744768
Yup. The amount of secrets hidden in even the first level of Doom is staggering by modern standards.

>>380751385

I remember this room

>>380748150
>There are plenty of places where stuff is broken from explosion or something

Prove it.

>>380745309
i have this issue at home, also the ones with the comics in them
pretty fuckin cool, I used to gush over super metroid as kid. Was hyped as fuck when I finally played the game.

>>380749752
>>380746505
>>380745820

We are in parallel world.

>>380747640
wait a minute that card

>>380750309
wait fuck me there was a cube in the room? I just used a chair. I feel like a dumbass now

>>380748957

The hint for this is that you can do it in Super Metroid.

>>380748735
Don't call something bad game design simply because you're shit at solving puzzles.

>>380752839
Well, it was also more than in the average video game at the time.

But that there were various secrets and that often you didn't get them from pressing LMB at that obvious glowing orb very clearly indicated by your in-game GPS wasn't special, no.

>>380753034
Berenstain Universe is shit, how do we go back?

>>380750649

My friend said a cryptic hint was printed in a magazine he was subscribed to.

>>380746505
It's in the TV advertisement for the game

>>380749492

>>380750938

First mimic has a developer bloodstain (and message? Not sure) near it, with a huge smear of blood on the floor texture right next to it.

>>380743679
A completely different tube somewhere else already had broken glass.
And you acquire Super bombs close to this location.

>>380750309
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>380753162
>have to buy another game on a different console and the guide for that game to discover secret
WOW THANKS NINTENDO

>>380752926
Play the game

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>>380749492
>game psychically traumatizes the dog and forces it to change breed
SHIP IT

>>380749492
>shows it in 5 frames in some random tv ad
glorious 90s

>>380752786

This is video is like a low IQ simulator

>>380753749

>Make a false claim
>Get asked to prove it
>N-no I don't have to go play the game HAHA

The only things besides the exploded tube that looked to be destroyed by an explosion were the crashed alien ship and Tourian.

>>380750565
it's so weird to me that there was a point where myst was like the best selling pc game of all time. it felt like literally every computer had it installed, even my fucking old as fuck uncle had it on his mid 90s toaster.

>>380743679
Once you get the power bombs you should be blowing every part of the map up.

>>380753895
Yes, also I do remember that I found that room strange, because it is the only one that you don't have to shoot to access the other one.

>>380754084
They don't drop often enough to warrant using them in literally every room.

That's what the scan visor is for.

>>380749492
Old video game ads were weird.

>>380743679
By having common sense.

>>380750565
> I don't think a game like Myst or Riven could ever get greenlit with a big budget nowadays, or for that matter sell so well.
Today's games are overall much bigger, but of course the player base is more diverse.

Anyhow, go play Obduction or something. It's not as compact or as smooth as Myst, but more or less the modern equivalent to it.

>>380754371
>That's what the scan visor is for.
Which doesn't show anything. LIKE IN EVERY OTHER FUCKING PART OF THE GAME

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>>380754624

>>380746062
Are you the same retard yesterday who thought 1% of 300 was 30.

>>380754919
1% of 300 is 30 you fucking retard

>>380747729
kek. This seriously gave me an issue as a kid and I only found out about the d-pad thing by accident... then I would forget about it on every subsequent playthrough.

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>>380755327

>>380755327
Is this how braindead people do math?

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>>380755542
>>380755327

>>380755327
It's 3.

>>380755542
You get 10% of 300.

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>>380755327
>>380755542

>>380755645
No, it wasn't on purpose. It was genuine, unadulterated brainfart there.

>>380750274
Once you realize it's a 4x4 grid it becomes a LOT easier. Also the order matters

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>>380755542
>>380755327

>>380753245
>lol don't smash any boxes
>puzzle
Nice damage control faggot. No wonder Naughty Dog makes cinematic experiences now.

>>380747345
This

>>380745415
Oh shit that makes sense. I always just solved it by randomly moving it.

>>380750281
It's the only thing in the room and when you run into it without jumping into it the pictures ripples.

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I remember back in grade school every fucking guy with a gameboy asked me to solve this.

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>>380743679
YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO!

If you were in the habit of casually using power bombs to reveal the whole screen, you could stumble on that solution accidentally.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE X-RAY THERE YET! And you could come along power bombs easily enough, and it's hardly like you desperately needed them for other stuff!

>>380743679
I figured it out when I was 6 years old without any help. Granted, I recall being stuck at that point in the game for an afternoon or two before deciding to use a super bomb there.

>>380757559
>YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE X-RAY THERE YET!
implying

>>380750069
There's a fucking bomb icon on the wall you stupid fuck.

>>380755645
>>380755764
>>380755874
why do you keep quoting me with a post from another thread about white girls fuckign bbc?

>>380743679
You were suppose to use your brain. Unlike modern games, 7 to 12 year olds that played this didn't need a forced tutorial. How the FUCK did you figure out how to breathe on your own? You kids surprise me at every corner.

>>380757418
Ha, I did this for doing the cave after misty that you need flash for - without flash. Not super hard but the boys on the playground didn't know how.

>>380750069

>"how do you figure this out?"
>in the process of figuring it out

I don't even

>>380745415
Grim Fandango wasn't even the worst of its ilk.

Anybody remember the King's Quest titles?

>>380748290
Thought I was the only one that even played Syberia 1 and 2. I had to look up a walkthru for that one. Fucked my head up right at the end of the game. I thought I missed something very early in the game.

>>380747345
There is actually a clue.
At the end of each level the game tells you how many boxes you have broken, but once you have the gem, only in this level the number remains at the end of the level and it tells you how many boxes you have broken out of 0, implying that you need to break 0 boxes for another gem.
So it wasn't a complete mystery.

>>380758342
>You can use an item to solve multiple puzzles.
>If you use it to solve an early game puzzle the game becomes unwinnable but you don't find this out until hours later.
Wow what a great series.

>>380757913
Oh fuck you mean the cave to lavender city? that was a real nightmare thanks to the shitty "nobacklightlol" gameboy screen, and the fact that Flash wasn't exactly easy to find.

>>380751713
I didn't know English very well at that time.
And I live in one of those EU countries that never got it's own translation but still had the option to switch to French, German, Italian or Spanish besides English.
That always bothered me a bit because I spoke none of those languages either.

>>380757714
That means that the power bomb was your only tool for checking blocks that you couldn't yet get too.

>>380759005
you sure are retarded anon

>>380746217
Didn't really find this super difficult when I played the original but I can't remember if I might have snuck a look at my Nintendo Power guide.

>>380745384
This.
>>380745592
>Why wouldn't you try power bombs on everything just after getting them?
And that makes three ways to reach the solution.

>>380750921
I'm not a fucking terrorist that needs to bomb everything he sees.

>>380759484
legend of zelda must have been really tough for you

>>380759590
Not him, but I really hated how there were plenty of cracked walls in A Link to the Past that were nothing.

>>380750921
This is exactly why I could never fully get into Metroid. I feel obligated to explore and I don't fully enjoy the action happening because I keep on scanning shit around and jumping/throwing bombs at every wall to see if there's something hidden. I hate that.

The same happened with The Conduit. I kept on scanning every single corner of every room with the EVA looking for secrets, and at the end of the game I didn't even get all of them.

>>380759153
Oooh, we're retarded, eh?
>>380754084
>>380750921

>>380758398
>Thought I was the only one that even played Syberia 1 and 2.
Of course, anon. It is a widely known fact that these games had a sales number of one person each.

>>380748668
>jump on
>it bounces with a rhythm
>up and down

i really do not see how this was so difficult. then again, i had no issue with scrap brain either. only found out that was an acclaimed hard level from internet memes..

>>380760720
What's the problem with scrap brain?

>>380746846

The entire level design of Super Metroid is that if you pay attention, it shows you what you must do to advance to another area without any text or spoken words. Be it with the wall jumping monkeys, the speed running dodo bird or in this case the broken glass tubes which have broken parts. Everything had a reason, they weren't just there for nothing.

>>380761091
no clue, but apparently its renowned is a difficult level in many circles. the "random" pitfalls etc.
i found out from the comments in this video mostly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XijZfSo6bJc

>>380743679

Why is this tube such a big deal when all it blocks off is a shortcut to Maridia and a save room?

>>380751713

Some people might not have known the enemies' names at all.

>>380751871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinDECA95kM

>>380744768
But that's wrong.

>>380761540
see
>>380747903

>>380744930
the machine not only moves differently, it makes different noises as you move the wheelbarrow over the wire. As the machine gets fucked with more, it shakes more. It gives tons of feedback and basically does everything short of saying "PLEASE FUCK WITH THIS"

There's some tricky puzzles in the game, but that isn't one of them. Getting Meche to knock cigarette ash on her nylons is more unexplainable than that.

>>380759695
fucking nu-gamers REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MUH ACTION
MUH ENJOYMENT

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>it's so obvious

>>380762118
To be fair old games hat are highly regarded used every inch of the screen to tell the player stuff especially in exploraiton games like metroid. Even some good n64 and ps1 games did this because every polygon mattered.

Compare that to modern games where you can never tell if anything is worth searching becasue devs just use speet tree and spam foilage everywhere for "muh realistic graffix"

I call it visual clarity, and its how the developers use the 3d space and art to lead the players to conclusions. Most modern games dont bother with anything like this at all leaving you t o wonder if entire chunks of gameplay are worth exploring or not.

>>380752171
sure if you ignore the fact that the platforms above and below you can be destroyed by super bombs

>>380762449
That's insightful. I'll cap this post for future generations.

>>380743679
>pop a power bomb
>no instant visual confirmation
>leave the area before the destruction animations plays
>explore just about the entirety of the rest of the game
>come back
>suddenly no tube

>>380762794
glass tube explodes on the first step Samus makes.

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>>380755327

>>380761548
It doesn't follow conventional videogame logic. Save stations, airlocks etc can't be destroyed but this one can.

The map is a bigger problem to be honest. Unless you have special knowledge of the game the tube area looks like the only way you can progress to the next boss.

>>380747480

This is IN Maridia, to access it you already had to explode the tube

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>>380755327
wew lad

>>380763663
>>380761548
>being this wrong

Play the game or look it up first

>>380745309
Amazing cover

If this were a 3D game it'd be a little jarring, but in 2d games its a little easier to expect someone to just shoot everything while running.
In a game Prime they'd get lost in the environment so theres a chance you'd never hit it even if you're firing at everything, but Super Metroid you don't have an excuse when you can just shoot as you're walking hitting literally all the walls and ceiling tiles, and often the manuals would just tell you where to shoot anyway (not to mention guides were a legit thing).

>>380763663

No it's not, the Crateria entrance takes you there.

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>>380743679
not gonna lie, I was stuck here for 7 years and I didn't beat Super until Prime 1 was announced
I also managed to beat the game without the Ice Beam since a friend taught me how to bomb jump, so I managed to sequence break a loto f shit

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>>380755327

>>380763781

What am I wrong about? You're intended to go through the wrecked ship first to get the gravity suit and then you go through Maridia. You can get the powerbombs prior and blow up the tube from the inside but there's little point since you'll barely be able to move in the water. The only thing under the tube is a save point.

>>380763990

>I also managed to beat the game without the Ice Beam
literally impossible, you can't kill the metroids

>>380763990
>he needs the dash button
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNVBr1IYcB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPORfsnm04

>>380763663
The Maridia entrance from the Wrecked Ship will eventually funnel you to that area, and the only path forward from there dumps you right next to the tube.

>>380763781

Nigger im literally replaying the game right now
You are the one trying to guess things here

>>380764515
You can kill them with power bombs

>>380746217
Wait what's the difficulty here? I just replayed ALttP recently for the first time in ten years or so and I don't remember getting stuck in this one for too long.

>>380744768
Hi grumpy old guy who hates new things and has a terminal case of rose tinted glassitus

>>380764515
>Three power bombs
>Impossible
Anon. . .

>>380764696

You cant enter Maridia through the wrecked ship

>>380765087

You enter from eastern Crateria, which is right next to the wrecked ship and unlocks as soon as you get the gravity suit in the wrecked ship.

>>380764715
>>380764308
I dont know who is who but

>>380763663
You can easily end up seeing the broken tube before getting into maridia proper.

>>380761548
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you need to break the tube to proceed without glitching.
see
>>380747903

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>>380750649
>not attacking all walls

So are you all playtesters for Valve or is /v/ just particularly retarded.
I can't believe how many people here think this was too hard.

>>380743679
I figured this shit out when I was fucking 9, what the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>380760720
That's not the solution though. You can jump on it, but that only does so much. If you stand on it, pressing up and down actually will move it enough to be out of the way. I did the jumping solution as a kid but realized I did that lean with the game thing and was pressing up and down with my jumps. Tested this recently

>>380761990
>>380764964

He's right though.

>>380766069
Sorry ignore my terrible reading comprehension. I for some reason thought your up and down ment jumping.

>>380743679

I figured this out because powerbombs were the best way of discovering destroyable blocks on the screen and I couldn't be bothered to bomb jump the top bit.

One thing I also discovered the first time was that it seemed to be possible to 'drown' before you got the gravity suit. I was jumping around for 10 minutes then suddenly I got stuck and my health drained away in about 20 seconds (comparable speed to the mother brain attack). I've been told drowning isn't a thing in this game but I definitely did die that way. Did I just clip through scenery or something and that triggered that sort of damage?

>>380765372
You genuinely don't need to break the tube. You could go the entire game with it intact if you wanted to.

>>380766952
Okay but how, and I'm being genuine. I want to know this

Show me the way into maridia proper without braking it. Because the wrecked ship doesnt take you there.

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>>380767131

You can use the green gate glitch to skip the tube, but that's the only way.
This extraordinarily low quality map illustrates the areas you are able to reach from the wrecked ship without either glitching the green gate or blowing upp the tube.

>>380767721
>You can use the green gate glitch to skip the tube, but that's the only way.
You son of a bitch. I said and I quote
>I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you need to break the tube to proceed without glitching
>without glitching

Jerk

>>380767889

I'm not the guy you were talking to, so I don't know the whole conversation.

>>380768034
Oh well thats fine.

So I was right though, and thats a huge relief because if there was something I didnt know about this game I would be amazed to say the least.

>>380743679
I spend hours there. I went so many times through other route. From how map looked, I was sure there was supposed to be something there.
The first time around I got there, I tried using everything I had to break glass, but I didn't have power bombs. I completely forgot about that so I didn't even try for long time.
It was only part, I didn't like. For everything else there were some hints, like animals using moves, that you could pull off as well.

>>380768451
I was stuck here for like an hour as well but I think it has plenty of hints. They are just far more abstract than most others.

see
>>380746452
and
>>380748613

Its easily the most bullshit part of the game but hardly that bad compared to other games.

>>380743782
That tube didn't give any clues as to how to break it, just that it was broken. It's not like people like wasting items on something with no evidence.

>>380747924
Which Tomb Raider had the stage where you start off underwater, with an air limit and sharks around you?

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>>380767131
OK

1. The tube is what you pass through pretty early on but you can't do anything with it. From there you poke your nose into Norfair and explore to get the high jump boots and then fight Kraid. then you get the varia suit and are able to mostly explore the entirety of Norfair to get the grappling hook.

2. Eventually you'll make your way back here and get your first powerbombs. You could go back and bomb at this point but instead you go up the elevator that takes you near your ship

3. You bomb this door and make your way to the wrecked ship. Once you arrive you fight the boss there.

4. You make your way to get the gravity suit. Once you re-enter the ship you'll want to make your way to the right since now you can walk through water without difficulty

5. The entrance to Maridia. Once here you get the plasma beam and fight a boss to get the Space Jump then you'll proceed toward the fight with Ridley in lower norfair.

The tube blocks off a shortcut and a save room. But it's not necessary to break it unless you want to make space pirate cry.

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What was more bullshit, the breakable tube or the Barrel in Sonic 3?

>>380769274

>5. The entrance to Maridia.
The parts of Maridia you are able to reach from that entrance are very limited. I have circled those areas here. The only way to escape the circled area and explore the rest of Maridia is by using the green gate glitch or bombing the tube.
>>380767721
You can't get the plasma beam until after you have beaten Draygon, by the way. There are a lot of grey doors up there until you kill him.

>>380769343
Barrel.

The barrel is misleading, it makes you think your jumps have any effect when the solution is to hold up and down.

For the Super Metroid bomb tube to be as bullshit, it would have to have a picture of a missle on it.

>>380769274
Im >>380768451
I went through wrecked ship first, because I couldn't figure out tube thing. From what I remember, going from wrecked ship site, it was impossible to reach boss.

>>380769274
Your step 5 is all wrong.

That entrance from crateria funnels you back to the same tube until you beat the boss. One way doors are a bitch man

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How the FUCK were you supposed to know?

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>>380755849
>the order matters

>>380770265
Played Fallout 1 for the first time a few weeks ago. Took me a good few minutes to finally select the elevator shaft and get the rope down there.

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>>380769274
Heres what you seemed to miss

The red line is the path you can take from the entrance, I attempted to highlight the parts you cant get through until you break the tube or glitch.

After you beat the boss all the locked doors open so that might be why you thought it was possible.

>>380743679
First of all.
You use the super bombs everywhere in order to find secrets. Every screen. So you'd find it just like that anyway.
Also >>380743782.

Sounds to me like you're some kind of player who wouldn't have put a bomb on and set every square on fire in the original Zelda.

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>>380754864

>>380770643
>>380769985
>>380769631

ah shit i forgot about that and the big room right above the tube being inaccessible due to the gate as well as needing to kill the boss for the area to really open up. My bad.

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>>380771256
Its a hell of a game.

>>380769343
Barrel, that is the first time in any Sonic game the up and down buttons did anything.

>>380743679
HOW could you NOT?

>>380757559
>casually using power bombs
Haram.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4MHo092Tlo

Small time, all of you.

>>380771468

Thinking back on it the only thing that kinda screwed me over was in Tourian since you get locked out of going back in case you wanted to do some last minute item gathering.

>>380743679
I played Zero Mission before Super and /v/ accidentally spoiled me on Power Bombs and intentionally spoiled me on Draygon.
This was years ago, mind you, and I doubt anons would be so kind nowadays.

"Trying everything on every screen in frustration until it works" does NOT mean that you figured it out when you were a kid. This is one of those stupid retarded puzzles that relies on using real-world logic to solve the problem rather than using mechanics that the player has been introduced to, yknow like how VIDEO GAMES are supposed to.
If it's so obvious that you should be able to break the tube because "you can do it in real life", then how come I can't just shoot at a dirt wall for a few hours and tunnel through to the next zone? I could do that in real life if I had missiles so why not in the game?
Because games are not real life and they have their own rules which need to be taught to the person playing it in some way, instead of just forcing them to guess that they need to use a certain item in one specific room in the entire game to affect something that anyone would assume is just background decoration.

>>380772702
>brainlets are THIS mad

>struggling with a piss easy game like super metroid
you are fucking pathetic

>>380755893
All coloured gems in at least Crash 2 are gotten through some kind of puzzle or alternative way of completion. Just because you're a muppet doesn't excuse you shit posting.

>>380772702
>then how come I can't just shoot at a dirt wall for a few hours and tunnel through to the next zone?
shooting at the dirt wall is how you find most secret tunnels, and some of those are indeed shortcuts between zones

>>380772702
>i cant infer

see
>>380768918
There are plenty of clues

>>380743679
once super bombs aren't so scarce you get in the habit of dropping one every time you have a hunch there's something to be revealed on the screen you're on. since super bombs nuke any destructible objects on-screen including the entrances to secret tunnels

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>>380772702
>IQlet getting angry over how stupid he is

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How were you supposed to figure this out?