Werewolf The Apocalypse

So the World of Darkness project is alive again?

>>380723884
I fucking love werewolves so yeah, sounds rad.

Some of my favorite werewolf games included Hunter: The Reckoning Redeemer which had two werewolves as bonus characters and the Underworld game which let you play as werewolves who could transform at any time for as long as they want. That game was weird cuz like it was based on isometric run n gun but as a werewolf you can only melee so you're kinda ignoring an entire part of the game which felt weird.

What I'm getting at is there hasn't really been many games to feature lycanthropy as anything other than a gameplay gimmick so a werewolf RPG in the same vein as Vampire The Masquerade sounds totally rad and I'd buy it.

>>380723884
The real question is will the game...

let you take the knot?

>>380723884
the concept art looks cool as shit, a lot of games and movies have awful looking werewolves

>>380725317
Fuck off

>>380723884
So it's just like VTMB? Is there an equivalent of clans?

>>380725317
i'm only here for this question, don't care about the game

>>380725317
>>380725423
>>380725739
>found new quest
>"Take The Knot"
>you have to go down to the pier, gather up some knotted rope, and deliver it

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>>380725317
delet this

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>>380723884
Could be good, not enough games let you play as a werewolf

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>>380723884
Werewolf needs bigger paws like Talbain

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>>380725317
maybe

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>>380726172
>mfw you recruit Dogmeat in Fallout 4 from "Red Rocket" gas station
No way the designers could be that badly out of loop.

>>380725572
Vampire: The Masquerade is based off the tabletop game of the same, just like Werewolf: The Apocalypse, both by White Wolf Publishing and they have a shared universe.

Short answer is yes. In the source material at least, there are werewolf clans just like vampire clans, I dunno if this new game is gonna go exactly the same route as VtMB

the werewolfs should be more buff.

>>380725317
Probably not since you're playing the werewolf and werewolf mating with each other is taboo, and relationships frowned upon.

>>380727158
>werewolf mating with each other is taboo
Why? Does it produce some kind of demon spawn?

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>>380727116
Like this?

>>380725423
>>380726172
>>380726260
>he doesn't want to be the Alpha's treasured bitch, fucked every night in human form until accidentally impregnated by his potent werewolf cum, that transcends human physiology through the sheer power of the supernatural
>he doesn't want to carry his Alpha's pups in his belly, and after a few months give birth to an entire litter of fearsome creatures who mature rapidly and will eventually conquer the planet and enslave humanity itself

You're no fun...

>>380727116
wolves are slim as fuck

>>380727238
In Werewolf, the titular entities (Garous) come in three shapes.
Human, wolf, and Crinos. Crinos is the warrior shape, a mid point between wolf and human.
Garous are either born in wolf form if they were conceived with a wolf, or human form if they were conceived with a human. It is their true form, the one they take when they die.

But union between two Garous create a child born in Crinos. Its bad for the masquerade and its seen as unnatural

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>>380727367
I want to chain one in my basement and raise him into a proper cumslut

Since I'm sure there's going to be some heavy WoD lore buffs in here

Aren't WoD Werewolves really OP? Like, a lot of the other supernatural mojo is afraid of them?

>>380727483
Makes sense. Pretty cool.

>>380727238
>>380727483
Also, the Metis are sterile and generally liable to go crazy because of innate flaws and stigma.

>>380727517
Werewolves are strong as fuck early on but are far weaker long-term than mages or vampires. A brand new werewolf is gonna fuck a new vampire 10 ways to Sunday but a vampire elder is not gonna give a shit about an elder werewolf.

>>380723884
>but leaves him unable to distinguish friend from foe, turning his rage onto anyone near him.
How does this work? Lose control of the character and watch it act on its own? Everything changes and all entities on the field enemy and not get the exact same model?

>>380727287
hng

>>380727116
Traditionally they are portrayed as slender and agile more than full on incredible hulk mode powerhouses. They're still pretty muscular though.

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>>380727517

So, you could say they're middle of the pack?

>>380727238
>>380727570
The metis (child of two werewolves) is always fucked physically or mentally (or both) on top of the birth complications.

>>380727517
They are really powerful in close combat. The one that shows in VtmB is practically unstoppable, which is representative of what they can do. It does depends on the opponent and on the tribe.

But the truly crazy OP guys are the Mage. Those become really powerful, really fast. The only thing stopping them is that reality does not like it when the collective humanity witnesses someone rewriting natural laws on the fly. That creates Paradox, which is to say that reality fights back. That leads to the Mage's head exploding, among other things.

>>380723884
I read the Gehenna novel for Werewolf the Apocalypse a long time ago, just because it was a part of World of Darkness. It struck me as strange how the werewolves struggles were similar but very different from the vampires, many of their enemies being spiritual rather than undead. I'm interested in such a game but I'm also wary since that V:tM game met its final death.
>>380724651
>What I'm getting at is there hasn't really been many games to feature lycanthropy as anything other than a gameplay gimmick so a werewolf RPG in the same vein as Vampire The Masquerade sounds totally rad and I'd buy it.
I would take that even further: We get very few videogames where being a supernatural creature isn't just a gimmick. Even vampire games tend toward the mundane aspects and neglect the struggle of being an unnatural predator on your fellow man, constantly trying to fight off your urges as a creature of the night.

>>380727874

I know Mages are crazy OP, yeah. Don't they basically have no power cap assuming they play their cards right since it's basically them twisting fate and reality around to their benefit?

>>380727649
presumably just like VTMB, you'll lose control of your character until the frenzy has subsided

>>380727874
Wasn't there a science-mage that took over the entire world for about 20 minutes during World War 1 with a legion of super-zeppelins before he got Paradox'd out of existence?

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>WoD game

Yeah good luck with that.

>>380727517
Werewolves are physically dangerous. While vampires are dangerous because they can screw with your mind and dominate you, along with being dangerous in combat, even the most basic werewolf can rip apart pretty much anything they encounter. And, since their claws are supernatural, this has a much greater chance of killing other supernatural characters. (Supernatural wounds heal slowly, while a vampire even gunned to "dead" with a machinegun is likely to still survive the attempt.)

But that same factor means that werewolves tend to be less impressive at higher "levels". A powerful werewolf will be an impressive death machine, perhaps with some talismans or other niche powers. But a powerful vampire will be just as deadly, along with being invisible, full mind control, domination, turning into invincible mist, etc. Basically, werewolves start with a lot of really great weapons but end up with nothing much more than specializing in those weapons. Vampires start with a wide variety of manipulation tools, and get powerful enough to manipulate nearly everything they'd like.

And then there are Mages, who are basically human in the beginning but literally re-write the game at the highest levels.

>>380728069
The power cap is humanity. If they can convince the Collective that what they do is normal, they can do whatever they want, with no limitations.

Some Mage factions actually want to gradually convince the masses that whatever they do is the way reality works. Which, if they did, would make Mages gods.

>>380728237
Anyone can be a mage though. The factions want everyone to gain their power.

Science in the setting is just magic that the cabals have convinced the world is how reality works, so that they can slowly introduce powers into humanity for all humanity's gain.
OWD was very new-age bullshit, so these guys are the bad guys.

>>380727643
>Werewolves are strong as fuck early on but are far weaker long-term than mages or vampires.
On the contrary. If you compare vampire elders to werewolves you should look at garou heroes who have bigger concerns than some petty leeches playing their games of masquerade. Like battling legendary Wyrm beasts to save the freaking planet.

>think werewolfs are cool monsters
>cant associate myself with this game because the furries will latch onto it

Y'all really do ruin everything. Just fuck off already

>>380728159
Isnt the world ruled by a collective of science mages called the Technocracy?

>>380728770
If only they'd jerk off to their weird sex fantasies in private like everyone else. You should see them when you crash their fucked up fetish parties in games like Second Life. They go crazy.
>>380728790
Mages are the kings of LARP. Their abilities rely on it.

>>380728540
Werewolves have a wider range they generally travel. This is true even at lower levels. But that doesn't mean that they can take on vampires, especially on the vampire's home turf. Sure, werewolves could take on an elder vampire out in the wild, although that win would normally boil down to "run away and let the sun fry the fucker".

>>380728770
/v/ is remarkably furry and remarkably gay. Just see Klonoa threads.

Outside /v/, though, it should be alright. Well, relatively speaking: WtA is about as likely to see problems as the Skyrim werewolf and WoW Wargen do. Which is to say, furries will porn it out but most people probably won't think about that.

>>380729067
>Sure, werewolves could take on an elder vampire out in the wild, although that win would normally boil down to "run away and let the sun fry the fucker".
[Earth Meld intensifies]

>>380729306
You'd be surprised at how many vampires just consider that worthless and never bother learning it.

>>380728770
>letting people's kinks ruin things you like.
>afraid of being labeled by random strangers

Get over it.

>>380727367
>accidentally impregnated by his potent werewolf cum, that transcends human physiology through the sheer power of the supernatural
Funny you should say that. The werewolves are cursed and pretty much infertile.

>>380725394
Where they at?

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What do werewolves do all day in WoD? Vampires, mages and all those other supernatural folks vie for control of society and shit but do werewolves just jerk off in the wilderness and nothing else?

>>380729382
It's one of your only outs in the sun, why would vampires think it's worthless?

Also wouldn't Protean also allow you to meld into the earth or transform into mist and hide somewhere only a gas could fit to survive?

>>380729067
>But that doesn't mean that they can take on vampires, especially on the vampire's home turf. Sure, werewolves could take on an elder vampire out in the wild, although that win would normally boil down to "run away and let the sun fry the fucker".
Gifts offer incredible powers and werewolves are both mentally and physically resilient.
There are spirits that even offer to circumvent their silver vulnerability temporarily.
Their physical attributes have higher maximums and their speed is powered by rage with no need for celerity.

A spirit of the sun even teaches them a gift of summonining a halo of true sunlight.

>>380723884
So this is basically VTMB: Werewolf edition?

>>380729443
Kill yourself furry scum. Your fetish is the only unacceptable one on this earth.

>>380729923
Yes, V:tM and W:tA are both rulebooks for the same tabletop game.

>The first lesson I learned from Julien: forget everything you ever thought you knew about werewolves in popular culture. World of Darkness follows its own strict designs and ruleset on the subject. In this universe, werewolves — Garou, as they are called in the lore — are the guardians of nature, "eco terrorists" as Julien jokingly calls them, whose goal it is to preserve nature and protect it from its imminent destruction at the hands of Homids — humans — amongst others.

This is some pussy liberal werewolf game

>cyanide
>furries
>edgies

oh boy, looks like a repeat of streum and space hulk: shitwing with the same "rabid" fanbase


+30% chance the game wont even get close to released

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>tfw the inevitable furry infested steam forums for this game

>>380730149
>This is some pussy liberal werewolf game
Sounds that way but he's underselling it. They're more like Hippies + ISIS.

But will there be a foam related mission?

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>>380723884

>OWoD

>>380727497
A much better idea than the one you replied to imo
Excellent taste anon

>>380723884
>a human can sneak better than a wolf
I'm out.

>>380731005
Than a giant fucking werewolf that's full of rage and essentially a beast.

I don't really like it that much either though.

>>380730907
OWoD is way better than NWoD lore wise.

I play a VtM game with a group and it's damn fun. Made me check out the entirety of WoD, the shit in there is awesome. Mummys, demons, changelings, werewolves (among other shifters, like werebears and werepanthers and even weresharks), mages, hunters, wraiths, and I'm probably forgetting more.

That's why a WoD MMO would never work, there's so many different things that you could play but only so much a game can do. BTW, each one of those races I mentioned have their own rulebook, but are all interchangeable.

>>380731249
I think he was making a joke about how close it is to the furfag OwO emoticon
Or maybe I'm just a retard

>>380731085
That's a misunderstanding of the basis of werewolf lore in the first place. Why turn them in to furry Hulks?

And this is why gangrel is best vampire clan, they are closest to werewolf.

So am I correct in understanding that:
Mages > Werewolves > Vampires > Humans?
Is there anything in between those? Is there anything more powerful than a Mage?

>>380731404
More like

Mages > vampires > werewolves > "hunters" > humans.

Magic is OP, and werewolves are only strong physically, not magically.

>>380731404
none, a Mage can bend reality at their wills, they're capable of warping dimension until they get paradox'd

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>>380731404
There certainly is.

>>380731404
Power is a fickle thing, Mummies are really fucking powerful, but as you 'level up' you lose power but regain memories.

And if a vampire can get to a mage and dominate him and bloodbind him, that mage now belongs to the vampire basically.

>>380731249

But all that stuff is in NWoD and sometimes in better form (NWoD Changeling and Demon are way better).

The only thing I see people prefer outright is Vampire, Werewolf and Mage.

>>380731579
When they made Malkavian not a bloodline anymore I said fuck that system.

>>380726829

#PawSizeShaming

nWOD is the product of a management session where people sat down and were all like

>okay people brainstorm
>gothic punk stuff isnt cool anymore this isnt the nineties
>hey so like theres this movie twilight, and people are going gay more than ever before and we have emokids and theres this new furry thing lets cram all that together

and nWOD was shit

But what fucking genre is it?

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>>380729673

>What do werewolves do all day in WoD?

Fuck up the world even more, while thinking they're actually saving it.

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>Announce a game whose last adaptation was vaporware
>Show literally nothing at E3, 6 months later

>>380731827
RPG

>>380723884
>Literally Everyone Playing It Will Be A Furry: The Game

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The only reason why anyone over here want this game.

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>tfw no Technocratic Union game where you can play as an Iteration-X cyber commando and shred hordes of werewolf fucking shits with bursts of primium-cored railgun fire

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>>380727116
Thank you, geez.

>>380727778
Not in W:TA. They are literally Gaia's powerhouses, chosen because they're only slightly less meaty than fucking werebears.

>>380731404
>>380731476
>>380731489
More often than not gifts in their effects are closer to mage's sphere powers than to vampiric disciplines in that they are left to storyteller's discretion and to your imagination.

For example, a high powered gift lets them call on a semi-legendary creature of a city. If the werewolf had the City Father spirit of say New York teach him that gift he could just as well summon freaking Spider-man for assistance.

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>>380732554

>Iteration X
>not wanting to go full blown Void Engineer

What's your favorite Werewolf design?

I'm personally partial to Van Helsing's.

>>380732921
arr rook same

On a less related note, do Elder Vampires and older care about sunlight?

>>380729673
>Glasswalkers
Shit you just said
>Everyone else
Save the world vamps et al. are squabbling over like children.

>>380733039
Some care less upon reaching 8-9th tier disciplines. But that's 4-5th generation we're talking about.

>>380733039
All elders apart from keyasid still care about the sun. Keyasid have this ability which messes with reality to the effect of they forget they ever were vampires or that vampires exist even. Which let's them walk in the sun for a day.

It's an odd ability.

Why is god such an asshole

>>380733314
Ask Cain

>>380732221
I still don't understand people who think this existence would somehow be shit. Forget the sexual shit I just want to be a giant hulking hugcouch for my friends.

>>380733314
If you had billions of kids and every single one disappointed you then you'd be an asshole too.

>>380733578
Faggot

>>380733578
I'd like you to be my hug couch anon

>>380732921
He needed a tail but that was the only thing bad about it.

https://youtu.be/l0zLe7xASQ0 is still the best ever.

>>380733252
>>380733039
High Obtenebration for one lets you blot out the sun for an hour.

High Obfuscate, Fortitude and Protean I believe also let vampires ignore the sun.

>>380733681
Ewe ant lion.

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>>380726829

Preorder yours now, anon.

>>380734025
Jesus fucking christ that's degenerate and if I had more than 20 US dollars equivalent to my name I might actually buy it

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>>380734025

Well since I played White Wolf, I'll give this a shot. Hopefully they won't fuck this up.

>>380733825
I forgot those silly shadow benders. Obfuscate doesn't do that, but a really high fortitude can kinda work, not forever tho. Earthmeld doesn't count.

>>380729673
Typically chill with their families and try to keep them in check from the dangers of the wyrm. If a werewolf was a dad, he'd be a pretty literal papa wolf in addition to a figurative one.

>>380734257
Elemental Stoicism is part obfuscane and part fortitude. I haven't really gone through all high ranked discipline choices though.
One obfuscate discipline option definitely lets you ignore the daylight time sleep urges which is another half of why sun is bad for vampires.

>>380729861
There are vampires capable of resisting the sun and harnessing it, this isn't new to vampires. Top end kindred being stronger than top end garou is a fact in the WoD. Not a single garou is on the level of Antediluvian, let alone Caine. Yes, this includes their great wolf, or whatever the fuck gives Gaia the knot.

>>380731558
Any mage that lets that happen to him deserves it tbqh

>>380734025
I don't even understand what it is to be honest

> dat bush

>>380735013
I could see Tremere tricking young mages into being their students and bloodbinding them in secret.

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>>380735120

>>380735717
Hahaha wtf?
Do people seriously get hard on from it?

Can i just like Werewolves because they're cool and their savagery is badass while retaining a somewhat human like form? Why yall gotta be so gay with it.

>>380735836
Because people need to take it

>>380735717
This is fucking hilarious

>>380728069
If you can convince the GM/sleepers that your magic is all just a coincidence there's pretty much no limit to what you can do in Mage

>>380735836
To Hell with werewolves, Barbarians are way cooler and do the same shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKYkFPirBY

>>380735836
Sure you can
It's just that a lot of people want to fuck them for some reason

>>380729673
The more urban werewolves like Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers are involved in all that shit. Everyone else is busy either fighting each other or fighting wyrm-spirits

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>>380732657
So what's the WoD definition of semi-legendary then? When I hear that I would think of people like King Arthur or Jesus of Nazareth, who possibly existed but have little historical evidence of their feats. What you're saying just seems like any popular work of fiction fits the bill, is that right?

>>380732004
Wow, she looks like a real bitch.
Could not resist.

>>380735717
Oh fuck

This thing evolved further

>>380731386
You speak about werewolf lore like it's real events. Besides WoD has it's own origin and reasons why things are.

>>380736425
King Arthur and Jesus probably just had really powerful true faith.

Like, REALLY powerful. True faith is hard to defend against. Harder to gain as a power tho.

>>380733578
Aren't werewolves in WoD basically just berserkers? You wouldn't be anyone's hugcouch, you'd be more likely to kill them.

>>380736776
You could be a big pussy hugcouch with huge anger issues

>>380736776
Only when you piss them off

>>380736776
If real life wolves can be domesticated I'm sure with enough effort the same could be done to werewolves

>>380731708
Nevermind nWoD was created years before Twlight was even a book.

>>380736693
>Jesus probably just had really powerful true faith

If biblical figures like Adam and Eve (and Cain) are real, then why couldn't Jesus really be the son of God?

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Yeah but how are you supposed to be a werewolf ? You can literally rip and tear everything, you're a goddamn powerhouse.
Is the game gonna take place in a city, are you going to spend most of your time in your human form ?
Will you interact with other supernaturals ?
Is the gameplay going to be similar to VtMB ?
so many questions

>>380736693
Sorry you misunderstand. When you use the gift mentioned before to call on a semi-legendary creature of city what counts as one of those things? The example given was Spiderman but he isn't really semi-legendary in the real sense of the word so I was wondering how the rulebook would define a semi-legendary creature

>>380737059
>If real life wolves can be domesticated I'm sure with enough effort the same could be done to werewolves
Punch snout to establish dominance.

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>>380736776
Ecoterrorists really. They can be peaceful but a wolf pup can solo an Abrams so it'd be hard.

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>>380732921

>>380737059
>>380736975
>>380736962
I don't think you guys get how werewolves work in WoD. As far as I remember you have your human form and your pure wolf form with the ability to shift between them in stages. Going from human to big hairy human to traditional werewolf to big wolf to normal sized wolf. The traditional werewolf form is defined by the huge bloodlust and rage that takes over your mind, you're quite literally a murder machine in that form until you shift out of it.

>>380737305
>a wolf pup can solo an Abrams so it'd be hard.

...do they make silver bullets in 120 mm?

>>380737069
Capital G God doesn't REALLY exist, kinda. Every system uses its own beliefs, and all of them are accurate to some degree. Like the great wyrm, God, chronos, they all exist kinda.

It's hard to explain.

>>380723884
>WtA game
I'm cautiously hyped. Shame it'll probably be swamped by furries day one, though.

>>380737443
Not that I know of. That'd be one dedicated hunter.

>>380737413
better grab the silver chains and collar then

>>380737413
Did you never read any of the comics in the source books? Plenty of werewolves are in crinos form and perfectly lucid

>>380737305
Man this is some bullshit, why do humans always get cucked so bad on the power scale in fantasy settings.
Fucking mary sue magic fags, equality when

>>380737661
Mages are humans though

>>380737446

But Demon has you play as literal fallen angels who waged war against God at the beginning of creation.

God's existence, as well as the existence of certain concepts such as heaven/hell, doesn't presuppose that every other major belief is wrong.

>>380736126
>It's just that a lot of people want to fuck them for some reason
I doubt that was the case before the 70's...or whenever the movie Teen wolf was released. That was probably the first movie that humanized werewolves, and made people see them something else than bloodthirsty, mindless beasts, that deserve to be killed on sight.

After that, movies started to anthropomorphize them, putting more and more emphasis on their human side, until the audience stopped thinking of them as beasts and begun to see them as something...relatable. Something human. People with an affliction. A gift. Depending on the narrative.
Just look at any film or game involving werewolves lately. J.K. Rowling's Lupin, Teen wolf (the TV show), Twilight, or even this game itself. Add to that, that modern werewolves are traditionally hypermasculine, and it becomes easier to see why people want to fugg them.

just my two cents

>>380737661
True faith can be a great equalizer. Literal power of God flowing through you. Touch a vampire with that and they can crumble.

>>380737704
Wizards are gaaaaaaay and probably smell bad

>>380723884
WoD werewolves are legit the worst implementation of werewolves ever used in a setting. It's Special Snowflake: The Enabling.

>>380737870
>not using water elemental to clean yourself
>not manipulating flower scent to make yourself smell better
it's the little things first

>>380737870
Wizards smell of lavender and sound

You can't smell sound? They can do that for you if you want.

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>>380729519
Not sure about nWoD, but in cWoD, they were definitely NOT infertile. They just had to breed with normal humans or wolves if they didn't want retarded children.

And the chance the offspring was a werewolf instead of a normal human or wolf was very small.

If be excited to play the Red Talons.

>>380737591
You have to remember that the majority of the people in threads like these whether it be WoD, 40K, etc have only read wikis or just regurgitating what they have read on /v/

>>380738302
Yup, that means to keep their numbers up they have to be fucking a lot

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>>380737870
lol, have fun being a lawnchair you asshole

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>>380737774
>modern werewolves are traditionally hypermasculine

>>380738527
What exactly prompted you to post your bitchboi manwhore fursona

>>380738527
I was talking about big movies and shows not furry fan art you weirdo.

>>380737446

>Capital G God doesn't REALLY exist

Except he totally does in oWoD, and not just Vampire and Demon and Hunter. August Personage of Jade, KotE-relevant God-authority figure, is literally just another face of the Abrahamic God.

When it comes right down to it the World Of Darkness is nothing special. In fact, most attempts to make it special have historically just made it lame as hell. What it implements it tends to implement poorly, and the only good things to come out of it have come out of it in spite of the universe rather than because of it.

Van Hellsing had the sexiest Werewolves.
Not one movie came close o it after that.

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>>380727116
Still love the Van Helsing design
Seems like most these days either look like a guy with a hair growth problem, or just an oversized wolf

Will this be the first good werewolf game?

>>380738828
same, that movie fueled my lust for werewolves.

>>380738608
>>380738630
This shit's too easy :^)

>>380738517

>even the bird is losing his shit

I love this picture.

>>380738874
Dog Soldiers is one of my favorite designs.

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>>380738924
>fueled my lust for werewolves.

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>>380739196
>knot, knot
>who's there
>....

I feel the need to make it clearer. Werewolves in WoD aren't even human. They're parasites of human civilization that make use of humanity to propagate their monstrous spawn while giving nothing back. There is no in-clause. Their genes run dominant and their is no pop monster infection vector to them. They're smug faggots who view themselves as being morally superior to everyone else.

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>>380739196
can't blame me when it's my first anthro exposure

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>>380739634
Ok

>>380731404
True Fae and CAINE surpass mages on power level and ability.

>>380731404
>Is there anything in between those?
There are tons of things. Slayers. Slashers. "Humans" is just a category for non-combatants/non-adepts that aren't classified as other things. Given the right motivation in the setting your average joe can become a literal fucking monster by sheer force of will. You think werewolves are a force of nature until some Jason Voorhees motherfucker cleaves through a bunch of them with a machete like he was clearing brush.

>>380734195
die furfag

>>380740175
Okay but you first

>>380740402
Maybe he's german or something...

Some dude a long time ago told me that Mages can make Terminators, of the Skynet kind and the Warhammer 40k kind.
But why tho? Anti-werewolf/anti-vampire stuff? Or just because?

>>380733039
>and older
If you're talking about Antediluvian then no, they couldn't give a shit. Those guys waking up is a world ending tier event

>>380738302
Yeah I lied a bit. They're not infertile they just have a lot of trouble reproducing.

>>380738517
Why is that wizard ripped?

>>380740973
Lifting tomes and shit dude gives you serious GAINS dude

>>380737661
Numbers and firepower senpai, that's one of the reasons the supernatural doesn't like normal humans knowing they exist

>>380740752
The WoD gets really fucking silly really quick if you look at it as a whole. DCU levels of silly. Because you have all these different groups operating out of the shadows and trying to keep it on the down-low. In a unified setting campaign this basically means if someone acts a fool, they're fucked.

But yeah, there's an organization called the Technocracy that basically runs shit as far as running shit can be run.

>>380731404
If we are assuming that we are talking about playable characters, and not shit in the fluff, then yes that is the general case. However, it's also important to remember that all of those four distance themselves from eachother and spend most of their time having faction wars within their own ranks.

Vampires can't be as strong as werewolves all the time because their roleplaying often takes place in a city and relies upon them being secretive. Like Smiling Jack says, don't go juggling dumpsters.

Werewolf takes place out in the wilderness and against like extradimensional forces of entropy and shit. Their base required level for roleplay is higher. But if we're talking about the upper tier of power for shit then older Vampires are like demigods and the 5th and 6th Generation types could crush a werewolf's skull with their bare hands. Antediluvians are flat out living gods and Cain himself is...well he's Cain, the first murderer, there's not really anything else to be said.

>>380734984
Vamps believe this, too!

But nevermind that the vast majority of vampires will get torn a new one by the vast majority of werewolves, and their elders really wouldn't give a shit.

>>380740772
>Those guys waking up is a world ending tier event

>laughingtechnocrats.pg

>>380741290
>But nevermind that the vast majority of vampires will get torn a new one by the vast majority of werewolves, and their elders really wouldn't give a shit.
Well, obviously. Sabbat shit out retard neonates that die like flies all the time.

>>380741228
So all it takes to have a Terminator wearing Terminator Armor is be part of the Technocracy then? That's pretty fucking cool.
I take it since there are a lot of different groups out there, they're hostile to those groups and to other supernaturals?

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>>380724318
Doubtful

As cool as it is to actual RPG players, bean counter accounts will see little money in a were wolf apocalypse game so it will be shoe string RU coded shit if it even gets out of concept stage

Shame really, fantasy games need more fantasy in them.

>>380741484
The Technocracy doesn't care. Like, they care to the degree where if someone starts shit, they'll finish it. But generally they don't care. They are above everything. And that's the only thing that saves people that make minor fuck-ups. The nature of things where the smaller less powerful shadow things self-govern and self-moderate. Because there is no real sense of scale of enmity when one group could literally blink all the others out of existence.

>>380736776
Bard auspice whose name I can't remember. Can rage but are generally calmer than the others and just wants to tell people stories.

>>380741282
Thanks pal.
Could you give me some recommendations on which WoD books are worth reading? I'm really intrigued by this whole thing now, having only played VTM:B.

>>380741673
That sounds..stagnant. But really interesting at the same time.

>>380736776
I was just talking about the picture, which is just generic werewolf.

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>>380737490
again not likely they will give a shit since it wont pander to them.

they didnt notice Armello till nearly 2 years after release and they still dont play it since it does not cater to fetish shit

>>380737305
This is /pol/ level.

>>380723884
>Werewolf
Its an OK system. I dislike it because of how combat focused it is for a WW RPG though. I'd much rather play Geist but no one ever seems to want to play Geist. Usually with my crew we have to settle for boring old Vampire.

>>380741420
>and their elders really wouldn't give a shit.
No shit? The entire kindred conflict and struggle is that of old vs young. They're literally enemies. All elders are puppets for methuselahs who act on their sire's behalf.

That doesn't change the fact that the entirety of the garou would have trouble dealing with a single antediluvian, and everything garou related combined can't touch Caine, including all their so called gods and spirits, since Caine has the real big G backing him up.

>>380727367
This is why we don't get werewolf games. No one wants to be associated with furry fucks

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>Game mechanics include options which basically forces you to reload the save if choosing the wrong ones
>Otherwise forced to watch your character go berserk and kill a bunch of friendly and/or neutral NPCs

These type of things never fucking pan out as good as they sound for roleplayers.

>>380742073
Doesn't the real big G hate Caine's guts though? He gave him the whole curse thing and all that after all.

>>380723884
I read ''which revolves around Rape Management'' and got excited. Now I am disappointed.

>>380742138
Werewolf as an RPG is literally otherkin fanfic shit before they released a game devoted to otherkin, though.

>>380737591
There were actual legit comicbooks too. I distinctly remember a greaser Bone Gnawer with a pompadour whose catchphrase was "BRAND NEW CADILLAC", which he definitely said while in crinos form.

W:TA can be grimdark shit but it's more like Ghost in the Shell grimdark.

>>380741781
not him but here https://mega.nz/#F!cSRAhRSb!_w_CXRj14pgt8C9nP6ursw
start with sourcebooks, after that read whatever interests you

>>380723884
Collected some of the cards back in the day and always found the setting for the series very interesting.

Also games involving werewolves fucking shit up really is lacking. Get Vampire related games almost every year or every other year but actual werewolf games are extremely rare.

>>380723884
sounds cool as fuck

>>380737661
Humans are the base. Everything on the list aside that's not demon, angel, fae, or god, is a human. Hell, Caine is arguably the second strongest entity in existence after god himself, since god will not allow anyone to defeat him before apologizing.

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>>380740973
MUSCLE WIZARD

>>380742325
Oh hell yeah, that's superb.
Thanks a million pal.

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>>380740973

>>380742210
Caine is cursed to walk the earth forever, til he apologizes to god for what he did. Also something about never finding happiness, because everything he touches goes to shit. Part of walking forever means not allowing anything to defeat him, which is why Caine has the exclusive power of inflicting everything you inflict on him back seven folds.

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>all of this furry looking stuff
post werewolves not furry porn characters

>>380727116
In the Apocalypse setting at least you get everything really.
>werewolves born by Human mother and lycan father - born human form and start changing later in life, tend to take more humanish forms in changing
>werewolves born by lycan mother and human father - born as pups and start changing later in life, tend to be more wolfish in form
>werewolves born to 2 lycan parents, banned by werewolf community at large but still happens, tends to make very powerful spawn but always mutated (ranging from -/+ digits to godamn tentacles) and quite often retarded/fucked in the head

Also traits tend to come from what tribe they're born into.

No idea if the game would go this detailed into the player character but if Vampire the Masquerade is any example it very well could happen

>>380740593
DIE
FURFAG,
DIE

>>380743123
furry porn characters > spoopy walmart brand halloween masks

>>380738517
>>380740973
>>380742638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RosIoQisA

>>380743123
idk, I'd still bang him

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>>380743574
for fucks sake

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>>380743574
It's really not faggot.

>>380731404
theres other shape shifting species out there, some more powerful 1 on 1 vs werewolves.

Problem is the werewolves were just major dicks to mostly everything and outnumbered everyone else causing quite a few species to go extinct.

Werebears, Werelions, and weresharks are the 3 I remember being stronger than the werewolves but
>werebears were heavily outnumbered and died trying to protect other shapeshifters
>werelions have their prides and rule Africa since the wolves rarely fuck around there
>Weresharks give 2 fucks about anyone since they rule the oceans

>>380723884
Wasn't Bloodborne "Werewolf The Apocalypse" already?

>>380741673
The Technocracy cares so little they've nuked a place several times to kill one singular badass vampire.

And it still wasn't enough.

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>>380734025
>pre-order a pillow
senpai why would you do something so stupid desu?

>>380734025
>braeburned

His art is so delicious.

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>>380744048
No, because halfway through the game it switches from fighting werewolves to NotCthulhu

>>380744169
Well, in case you missed the season pass.

>>380743858
Fuzzy monkeymen aren't werewolves.

>>380725317
A better question is will there be human on werewolf bitch relations

>>380734025

Why would you do this instead of just making a pillow that's actually shaped like a giant paw?

>>380744496
That's not a better question at all

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>>380744295
God damn it.
Alright you got me with that one

>>380744524
You should patent that idea before some furfag steals it

>>380744710

Good idea. I'll also sell a pillow shaped like a giant fuzzy sheath and balls for all your werewolf-fantasy needs.

>>380744215
>OWO, notices artist

>>380744843
Day one buy

So, from what little I know about WoD, isn't the Apocalypse signaled by the birth / appearance of a non flawed Metis?

Will you be the perfect Metis?

>>380744843
>shaped like a giant sheath and balls
Yeah...uh...that's fun and all but what happens if a ball falls off? How would you even design a pillow like that?
Better question, what the fuck would you do if someone opened that package first?

>>380745537
God damn it anon, the game hasn't even been made yet, and you've already spoiled it for me.

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The traditional Castlevania werewolf has a kickass design.

>>380744524
It's harder to mass produce.

>>380740810
It's not too much trouble all things considered. They either gotta fuck wolves or humans. They can fuck eachother but that creates infertile deformed things.

>>380742180
Part of role-playing is living with your consequences. I like these kind of aspects myself

>>380744474
Men descend from apes. So your lupine fantasy is just a monkey fused with a wolf to begin with.

>>380743132
Isn't that a little off? I thought werewolves could breed with either pure humans or pure wolves. Breeding with a pure wolf produces a more wolf like offspring that often shuns society and humanity. While breeding with a human produces the more traditional werewolf. I didn't think it relied on the gender of the parents.
Also werewolf with werewolf produces the deformed, infertile creatures

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>>380741781
Mage: The ascencion is a really, really cool read I would recommend starting with that.

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Fallen London does it better.

>>380742021
>This is /pol/ level
What?

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>White Wolf in charge of promoting the games they're actually still working on
Why is this not a WW:The Forsaken game?

Also
>Werewolf: The Apocalypse
>Fun

Changeling: The Lost is the only good White Wolf, prove me wrong (you can't)

>>380741484
Imagine this:
A team consisting of a t-1000 in 40k Terminator armour, Raiden from Metal Gear, Doomguy, genetically engineered John Wick and Alex Mercer. They are financially backed by a crack cabal of hyper-Jews with magic powers and they have the authority to call down orbital kinetic bombardments, a battalion of Starship Troopers or an Evangelion.

Thats the Technocracy.

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>>380732554
>IterX
have fun being a computer's bitch while the best boys are out there saving the world and exploring the mysteries of the universe

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>>380737661
Humans represent the normal, the standart to which all other things are compared to, also in groups and with proper tactics humans can take on beings far more powerful than themselves.

>>380733809
That design is badass. It's perfect.

>>380747725
The face is important. Any time you see animal-people hybrids in ancient art, it's the face that matters. If it doesn't have a muzzle it's not a wolf.

>>380752531
Christ that wolf has pecs like concrete

>>380752531
Hey now that's not fair, plenty of bloodborne players are tentacle degenerates and not furries.

>>380754220
>not taking the tentacles in the mouth and knot in the ass
It's like you're not even trying to be degenerate

>>380749967
My dick is diamonds at the thought

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This is the Skyrim Werewolf.

Say something nice about him.

>>380727158
So how do they reproduce?
Is human x werewolf common since werewolves mating is frowned upon?


>human male x female anthro/xeno is awesome btw

>>380754673
Being a werewolf in Skyrim is pretty fun with moonlight tales.

>>380754673
Nice no dick, faggot

>>380754673
Bob Barker would be proud

>>380754673
At least they decided to put them back in this time

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>Blizzard will never update the worgen models

>>380756183
Wereboar or fucking nothing

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>if VTM or bloodlines had been sucessful we would probably have gotten a game for each one of their main splats