Atlus loses 570 million yen in revenue despite Persona 5 sales

P5 overperformed, the shit on the 3DS underperformed. There is no reason for atlus not to bring SMT HD Project to PS4.

>>380704861
Console war shitposting aside

With a game like Persona there's no reason not to go multiplat. At the very least putting it on PC would be fairly simply with the game's simplistic control scheme.

>>380704861
>P5 overperformed
>2 millions
so thats how low they expected it to sell

>3DS underperformed
>Comparing dev costs of a handheld vs a Consoles
anta baka??

Persona would sell more if it have full frontal nudity and sex with your waifu, just like a Witcher game.

your post seems like it might make sense, except you forgot the part where you clearly know nothing about accounting or how a business works

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>>380705040
>3DS fag in denial

>>380704951
The 3DS's dev cost is small as fuck due to the shitty hardware.

>>380704861
Never ever, keep fucking crying.

Can someone explain how they loose 570 million yen? The article just said that they lost it.

Oh shut the fuck up.

>>380705179
nice Assource pepe

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>>380704861
>PC
>where the real money's at.
>gonna pirate it but if i like it ...

>>380705102
Well, Mr smartass, tell us how it works then?

>subtle nintendo portbeggar thread #4948

>>380705246
The Atlus HQ got robbed by a heroin addict at gun point and he took all the money out of their cash register

PC gaming is not profitable without micro-transactions.

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>and Switch
but nintenbros didn't buy SMT4 or apocalypse

>>380704951
>570 million yen
what's that like 14 dollars?

fuck off cuck
go play your stupid league of legends game somewhere else
persona is never and should never be for PClosers

>Bring game to PC
>Master race pirates it
>Make no money
>Master race wonders why japs don't care about the PC "market"

>>380705408
5.13 mil dollars

Was this because of TMS #FE.

>>380705040
Are you implying P5 was expensive game to make? Did you even play it? Characters' models are low poly and arguably worse than Catherine's models. Fucking Personas doesn't even attack you, they just swing in the air and magical "physical" slashes hit you. The game on technical level is quite simple.

>bring game to PC
>sell 100k copies
>make a million or two
>mustards celebrate
>atlus still lost like 300 million yen even after pc sales
Nice going lad.

>>380705316
First of all, this is the cost of 1 year, and P5 development was probably like 5 years. Most of the cost of running the company this year probably wasn't even related to P5.

Second, this is FY17 which for them, ended in March. P5 came out worldwide in April, which means these numbers only include the Japanese release, which obviously wouldn't be affected by a PC or Switch release at all. Check back for next fiscal quarter's report and the number will probably be pretty big.

Third of all, you're still retarded.

>>380704861
I don't really get why they would bother with the Switch when XFE tanked and Nintendo would force censorshit editions on everyone, but the PC and some other platforms are perfectly logical.

>>380704861
I seriously doubt it.

Also they can still milk P5 like they milked P4 for massive profits after the release by making cheap spinoffs who sell half as much but cost a tenth to make.

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>>380705528
And they still have the nerve to ask for console games to come to PC with the lame idea of "they would make so much money"

>>380704951
>the shit on the 3DS underperformed

Didn't Etrian Odyssey V sell fucking well?

>There is no reason for atlus not to bring SMT HD Project to PS4

Oh, console war shit, you haven't even looked at sales numbers.

>>380705634
It was more expensive than the Persona 3DS thing
and unlike Nintendo, other companies burn tons of money in advertising

>>380705528
How much did Nier sell again?

>>380705879
~360k

Tekken 7 also just sold 200k in two weeks

>>380705826
>Oh, console war shit
>there's no reason for Atlus not to bring Persona to PC and Switch.
>there's no reason for Atlus not to bring Persona to PC and Switch.
>there's no reason for Atlus not to bring Persona to PC and Switch.

>>380704861
Anywhere I can read this not in fucking chink?

>>380705246
having persona 5 in development hell for a decade might have had something to do with it.

>>380704861
>Switch

Please Switch fags we know you want games but this is so desperate

>>380705528
>Three years later
>Game drops to five bucks
>Buy a million copies
>Pretend that PC is saving niche Nip games

>>380705664
Damn, you're pretty smart. Can you teach me more?

>>380705405
SMT IV sales were pretty good though, the real issue is that Eurocasuals didn't buy SMT IV.

>>380705953
Kek, changing the subject after "pls bring Switch games to PS4"

Run out of Vita games to port to PS4, anon? Maybe if you ask Microsoft nicely, they can share some with the PS4.

>>380704861
Stranger things could happen.

http://www.pcgamer.com/yakuza-and-persona-are-on-that-list-of-games-sega-want-to-bring-to-pc/

>>380706236
Do you think it has something to do with atlus releasing the game in europe a year later than anywhere else on a region locked console?

>>380706339
Kek, portbegging is literally ONLY okay if nintendo does it.

Run out of third party support already, anon? Maybe if you ask Sony nicely, they can share some with the Switch.

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>>380706345
NANII?

Pretty much confirms Switch ports.

>>380706345
I can't see Persona coming to PC at all, but Yakuza would be awesome.

This is shitty management.
Nothing to do with sales.

>>380706345
I think they're waiting until Yakuza 2 gets its Kiwami treatment as well. Then again, releasing Y0 and Y1K would be a good introduction for new players.

>>380706898
Mismanagement of which game though?

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>>380704861
This is why we don't have Etrian Untold 3 yet

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>still begging for ports

Can you at least admit the sorry state of the PC game library? I'm sure people in charge would be more likely to sympathize with you if you told them the shitty games PC is flooded with.

>>380704951
>There is no reason for atlus not to bring SMT HD Project to PS4.
But it's already coming to PS4, you fucking retard

>>380705640
>-300.000.000 ¥
>-2.695.977 $
>if they would sell 100k P5 on steam at 30$
> 3.000.000 $
Nigga u retard or what?

>>380704861
Topc yeah sure but nintendo is shit

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>>380704861
Just port Persona games to Switch and there you go, profit.

>>380707545
Not really.

I blame the 3DS and Wii U releases. Had #FE been multiplat, it would have sold better

Also no one played EO and no one wanted SMT4 to be handheld

I hope SMT5 is handled better now that they can reuse Persona 5 assets

>>380705246
They just just did...

>>380708016
EOV had like 100 VA in the game.
Fucking VA are ruining videogames

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>>380705634
It took nine fucking years for a fairly modest payoff. Compare TF2 which was also in development for nine years. Consider that Atlus has two studios, one for Persona and one for non-Persona, that means the Persona studio had to rely on P4 spinoffs or the other studio who was making actual RPGs.
>>380708016
>no one played EO
There's an EO post in this thread you fucking mongoloid.

Can Nintendo buy them and put Joker in Smash now?

I'm glad, what a shitty company. Maybe when they die we can have Demon's Souls remastered.

>>380708016
>Nintendo product going to other platforms.

They can't Nintendo paid for TMS #FE. Also I heard that EO5 sold a lot.

Persona 5 is literally the perfect game for Switch.

>>380706236
>SMT IV
In japan only

>>380708367
Persona 5 is literally the perfect game for me to have beaten and for you not to play on Switch.

>>380708016
>SMT IV sold more than Nocturne
>Atlus' Facebook and Twitter got swarmed for a year demanding EO V
>#FE was shit outside of gameplay

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>port beggers

>>380708367
tired of BOTW?

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>>380708486

>>380708367
Never ever!

>>380708184
They're owned by Sega I don't think something like what happened to Monolith would happen again.

>>380708016
>#FE
Well, now we know that people who blame nintendo are mentally challenged
#FE was fully funded by Avex Group, kinda like Bloodborne was funded by Sony
Companies didn't waste any money on it at all
>>380708117
First japs va are dirty cheap
Each /va/ voiced 2-3 characres you could pick during creation of your character

>>380704861
I would never want to play that garbage, though. I didn't want to play Persona 1, 2, 3 or 4 and I sure as hell am not interested on this new crap.
The only good SMT games are the mainline ones, but they are average at best.

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>>380708739
>First japs va are dirty cheap

>>380705945
>most high profile fighting game on earth sells more than robowaifu combat drakengard spinoff sequel game 7 years after original

S H O C K I N G

>>380708367
Pretty much, I'd say that every game is the perfect game for switch, that's why switch is just a useless wii u port machine.

>>380708367
NEVER
EVER

>>380705945
I hope you aren't implying that almost 400k is bad for a niche jap game on PC.

Is p4 golden worth buying a vita over?

>>380708016
>Had #FE been multiplat, it would have sold better
You know how I know you're 100% wrong in all aspects?

>>380708739
> japs va are dirty cheap

>>380708739
I swore Nintendo also paid for #FE, not as much as Avex, but there was some speculation that Atlus more or less funneled the #FE money (from either Avex, Ninty or whatever) into Persona 5 and then shat out #FE to make good on the contract.

>>380705246
That's literally 5 million bucks. Saying they lost that much money means they put more than that into production but that game wasn't more than a single year. Unless they are including equipment costs and assuming the price over the P5 foundry.

>>380705528
More like when
>port comes out
>if the port shit: I won't buy it because shit port
>if the port is good: I won't buy it because it doesn't worth full price

>>380705004
PC doesn't deserve this game.

>>380708367
neva eva!!!!!!!!

>>380708965
I never understood this argument. The game sold well over 1.5 million. Not even a third of those sales are on PC. For a platform that boasts to have more than twice the number of active users than ps4s sold to have less than a third of total sales is pathetic.

Am I the only one who hates the switch cause of how uncomfortable it looks to use, I want to play the games but fuck

>>380709024
The game's fine. Vita has a handful of worthwhile titles, then there's just ps4 remote play.

>>380704861
That isn't Persona fault. SMT is the one that's dragging Atlus down. No one likes some edgy fedora games nowadays. Should have discontinued it and pour all the resource to Persona.

>>380709303
Don't worry. They'll wisen up in time.

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Why do they keep funding George's vanity projects again? Does he have dirt on someone?

>>380709176
Yeah and those what, 60 million ps4 owners only 1-2 mil own bloodborne, the one actual good game

>>380709454
When we apply the behaviour of steam users so far it would've sold like 500k copies with 120+ million active users on steam.

Well I finally gave in and bought a PS4. Gonna come in Tuesday. I already have a PC and a Switch, so what exclusives would you recommend other than Persona? (which I'm already getting)

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>>380709101
Well, yes and both are self-explanatory. Key to Valkyria Chronicle's success on PC, for examples, was correct pricing despite some technical problems it had. You can't really charge full price or most of the price for a game that would at this point be at 75% discount.

>>380704861
They lost that much?

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>>380709587
The obvious

>>380709176
>For a platform that boasts to have more than twice the number of active users than ps4s sold to have less than a third of total sales is pathetic.

Because not everyone is interested in the same type of game?

SMTfags dragging Atlus down and putting the blame on people who bought P5

Sad!

I'm late but has anyone pointed out that the period being reported in this article (April 2016 - March 2017) doesn't include the Western sales of P5 yet? I hope so.

>>380709773
Then why do mustards make comparisons like this one >>380709454 ? Why do games sell more on platforms with less active users?

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>>380709176
>expecting anything more from pcbros

>>380709929
>Why do games sell more on platforms with less active users?

less options all-around. pc and consoles are fundamentally not the same kind of market, if purely on account of one being open and other closed. this is a major factor.

>>380704861
Never Ever

>>380709591
>was correct pricing
See this is why its useless to sell games on pc they its either too expensive or they just pirate it

>>380706236
I don't think they even sold it in Europe, m8

>>380709176
>I never understood this argument.
Because you are clearly stupid, and probably underage.
"boasts to have more than twice the number of active users" doesn't matter at all, otherwise every single PS4 game beside call of cutie and Fifa should be considered an utter embarrassing failure, but they aren't, right?
When you bring that "argument" out you aren't better than the nintendofags that always put all over your face how bloodborne only sold 2,5 millions over more than 60 millions of users. But It's wrong when nintendofag do it, right.
There are only 2 factors that make a game succeful or not: the cost/gain ratio and how many people of the actually potential interested people bought it. The port is fucking cheap and it sold much, much more than what that kind of weeb games usually sell on steam. It was profitable for Square, they publicly stated that. and it actually fucking expanded that kind of fanbase on steam.
It's an unexpected success from any point of view.

>>380705306
Piracy only adversely affects small ass indie games and really shit professionally made games. Look at a game like The Witcher 3. No DRM whatsoever and it has 3 million owners for the PC version alone.

>>380709415
Vanillaware makes their games for relatively cheap and they work themselves like slaves so it's no problem giving them a million or two dollars because you'll get a game that sell at least 500,000 to a 1,000,000 copies so the profit margin is very good.

>>380704861
How much is that in burger?

>>380710145
That doesn't explain why the game sold almost 3 times as good on PS4 as it did on PC. You are just trying to say that it sold enough not to be a failure, which is fine I guess but it still sold less on PC with twice the amount of active users than it did on PS4.

>>380709415
Who cares? let Vanillaware do their thing

>>380710329
bout three fiddy

>>380710154
>piracy only fucks the people that need the revenue the most, so it's ok!

Make gay route and Female MC lesbian.

Fujo and Otaku will unite.

>>380708739
>#FE was fully funded by Avex Group
Source on that you lying piece of nintenbro

>>380704861
Based Sony, killing nipshit like it deserves.

>>380704861
Wow. A whole 5 million dollars.
Clearly Atlus is finished and bankrupt. How will they ever recover?

>>380710154
Yeah, but CDPR accumulated a lot of good will from their players which seems to be a lost art in this day and age. That's the kind of currency that will make players buy a game on their own store just to support the developer directly and maybe even double dip just for the sake of it.

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>Atlus' economy in freefall
>brand new market Sega wants to move in to
>he bought a PS4 for this

Sooner or later, everything comes to PC.

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>>380709587
Here's a list of the more Japanese-oriented stuff off the top of my head. Probably missing a few.

Bloodborne
Nioh
Gravity Rush Remastered
Gravity Rush 2
The Last Guardian
Grand Kingdom
The Odin Sphere pseudo-remake
World of Final Fantasy
Exist Archive
God Wars (Which comes out in the next week)

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>>380710449
I'm not sure if you're serious

>P5 sold amazing
>3DS games barely cost any money and they are profitable on their own
>somehow still bleed money
I blame FUCKING SEGA

So they can bring it to PC via digital only? Fine by me, I have never and will never pay for a PC game unless it comes physically with the game on the discs.

>>380710530
fucking piratescum. kys yourself

>>380710412
The entire argument in this thread is centered around whether it'd be profitable or not to port big name games to PC or not. Yeah it sucks that small indie devs get fucked, but that has nothing to do with whether or not Atlus should port it or not. I'd personally love to have it on PC just so I wouldn't have to keep my PS3 plugged in to play it.

>>380710615
I'll be more than happy to pay for it if they release it physically with the entire game on the discs.

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>>380710498
I'd probably die of laughter if Yakuza PC sales somehow moved SEGA to actually localizing Kenzan and Ishin because they saw people might, just might, actually buy the damn things in the west.

>>380709056
>Nintendo also paid for #FE but there was some speculation that Atlus more or less funneled the #FE money (from Ninty or whatever) into Persona 5 and then shat out #FE to make good on the contract.
Basedd atlus

>>380710676
most indie games can't afford to do a physical release. fucking faggot if you pirate Cuphead I'm going to find you and slap your shit.

>>380710750
So they pulled a Randy?

>>380710676
Why do you even care? You can make as many physical copies as you want on your own

>>380704861
This wouldn't include the revenue generated from western sales of P5 would it? I remember anons hypothesising that the reason for the delay was to shift the western sales to the following financial year.

>>380709415
Dragon's Crown cost a million to make and had over a million in sales. The profit margin for his "vanity projects" is phenomenal for a smaller studio.

>PC begs for ports
>never buys PC exclusive games
>wonder why so many games are downgrading for the console market

>>380710876
It doesn't include them, no one cares because they want to argue and be retards on purpose.

>>380710350
>That doesn't explain why the game sold almost 3 times as good on PS4 as it did on PC.
Because a PS4 game made for the PS4 weeb fanbase sold more on the system it was made for. While PC only got a fucking cheap port that cost much less than 1/3 of the total budget. Truly something completely inexplicable that totally rapes any kind of physical law and common sense.

>You are just trying to say that it sold enough not to be a failure,
No, I pointing out how Square itself said that it was so profitable that made them consider new "aggressive" plans for the western PC fanbase.

>which is fine I guess but it still sold less on PC with twice the amount of active users than it did on PS4.
And that's why PS4 will keep getting weeb game specifically made for PS4 while PC will only get those profitable ports. As you can see there is nothing out of place here aside from you being a dense shitposter.

>>380710843
whos randy

>>380710975
He's one badass dude.

>>380710926
What are you talking about? I bought a bunch of PC exclusives in just this year alone

Has any eagerly awaited PC port ever generated a net loss because of piracy?

>>380710926
We do but most games arent worth unless they are on sale

>>380710926
You're acting as if games are entitled to have good sales.

>>380704861
So in other words we are getting Persona 5 PES edition or some large expansion.

>>380709587
Try it. Fall in love.

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/deception-iv-the-nightmare-princess-demo/cid=UP4108-CUSA02878_00-DECEPTIONNP0DEMO

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>new game comes out, PC gamers want a piece of the cake too
>"give us this game please"
>game released
>they pirate the shit out of it, company makes no money
>company stops giving PC gamers their products
>"WOOOOOW how should we have known they would stop making PC ports? Totally unfair!"
>"you pirated their game idiot, this is what you get"
>"I should be entitled to choose whether I want to pay for a game, they should be happy I'm playing it!"

>>380709587
Yakuza 0

>>380710903
It cost a million because they were essentially working like slaves on it. I doubt they would want to keep that horrible model going now that they've shown they're worth the investment.

>>380710806
>fucking faggot if you pirate Cuphead I'm going to find you and slap your shit.
I'm going to pirate it unless they release a physical edition with the entire game on the discs.
They can afford to have 30% of the price automatically given to Valve, but can't afford to go Steam free and pay to have actual copies made which cost around a dollar each. I've had DVD cases and DVDs printed before, and an order of only a thousand only cost a little over $1 each even with shipping included. They could do that and go Steam free and end up making more money. If they aren't willing to do that then fuck them, they won't get a single cent from but they will from gullible faggots like you that eat up the cancer that is digital "games"
You are telling me if you paid for a sculpture or a painting, and when its finished the artist just sends you a picture of it and the artist says its the same because you are still "experiencing" the painting or sculpture you paid for, you would be alright with that? If you aren't alright with that then you shouldn't be alright with paying for digital games either.
Worst of all, digital only has allowed these entitled developers to become lazy and release an unfinished game since they can just patch it.

Reminder that you're not a real otaku if you play your games on pc and not ps4
Le ironic weebs Gtfo and btfo

>>380705528
>japs don't care about the PC "market"

>implying they aren't starting to care and slowly realizing the potential

PC gaming is gaining more traction in nipland thanks to niconico and streaming. That and Steam.

>>380709176
Persona sold like 500k in Japan, so 360k is probably around 30~40% of western sales. Only a retard would say that a PC port isn't worth it.

>>380711298
>wanting to be an Otaku
>thinking that's some kind of honorable name
Please die

>>380704861
>Switch
>Smaller base than PS4
>real money

No.

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I think Sony has some deal on mainline Persona games while Nintendo has a deal on mainline SMT games.

What do you think?

>>380705306
Well there's an emulator for it and I doubt it hurt the sales.

>>380711385
The attachment rate would be 1:1

>>380711108
Piracy doesn't equate directly to lost sales
But no, I don't think there has been a case where PC ports lose money, because you can spend a proportional amount of effort on it (anywhere from just getting it running with few options (see: Dark Souls, EDF 4.1) to something like Vanquish/Bayonetta which clearly have quite a lot of thought put into them)

>>380709176
Considering they expected Nier Automata to sell 1 million total if that, 360k so far at full price is very very good, and that's one console.

>>380704951
>There is no reason for atlus not to bring SMT HD Project to PS4
I thought that was already confirmed for PS4/Switch

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>>380704861
Say the magic words.

>>380711413
I think it's just Atlus knowing where the primary demographic for each series is, not secret deals.

>>380711506
>Vanquish
>PC
what?

>>380711180
I'll take "things that have never happened" for 1000

>>380711694
Dude, do you live under an Afghan rock.

>>380711673
But mainline SMT games would do well on Sony consoles just as Persona games would do well on Switch. Persona Q did well after all. They lose money by not porting I feel.

>>380711260
Does Kamitani know any other way? He's been on the fringes of the industry for so long I can't imagine him taking it easy when working his ass off is how he pays for dinner.

>>380711694
http://store.steampowered.com/app/460810/

>>380710742
>Yakuza is resurrected thanks to, of all things, the PC

>>380711584
What would be better

Nier on Steam or PS4

>>380711838
Nocturne LITERALLY sent Atlus into the red nigga

>>380711948
You mean to buy?

I played both versions and obviously the PC version is superior. I just bought the Japanese version on release on PSN first because impatience.

>>380710742
>>380711925
If they play the right cards with the right timing it's possible. With Bayo and Vanquish they worked very well.
>>380711948
>What would be better
Both, there is rest is console war shit.

>>380711881
HOLY SHIT
>>380711810
been busy because of finals, and just when I finished them E3 started. also >may 25th release date. I was busy that day since its my birthday

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>>380711990
I-it did?

>>380710125
If you own more than one platform, what sort of dickhead pays $40 more for the same game he can play on another of his systems?

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>>380710742
It would probably be more about the overhead. If you're publishing and developing internally Steam's 30% fee is still less than what you'd have to pay compared to going with retail. This minimization of costs could be the ticket to get those projects to the west.

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I will never understand the /v/ mindset when it comes to PC.

Let's entertain the idiotic fallacy that a PC release isn't beneficial to their bottom line for a second. So what? Are you a shareholder?

If you're not a shareholder consider this: PC releases means that game will not be locked to arbitrary hardware several years down the line. Games on PC only get better with age as PCs become more powerful. You won't have to worry about an HD remaster or a PS4 emulator if P5 comes to PC. You can just play it natively and it will look/run great.

The best modern day proof of this is the new ports of Bayonetta and Vanquish.

>>380712136
Why the fuck do you think ATLUS had to localize it with Dante?

>>380704861
damn it, atlus, what are you doing?
i even buy the ace team games you publish
short of just sending them sacks of money i don't know what more i can do

>>380712250
It's the fanboys, anon. I don't think anyone sane would debate how muhc, for example, Dragon's Dogma benefited from being released on PC.

>>380712335
Huh, makes sense I suppose. But that was so long ago

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>>380704861
>PC and Switch are where the real money's at.

Fucking hell anon, bring it to PC and whatever the fuck i say, but don't be retarded, PC sales are always smaller.

>>380712386
Muh nebulous claims about the quality of the fanbase solely relying on how many falseflags I fall for

P5 has no reason to come to PC or a gimmick console like switch that will be replaced by another gimmick console later

>>380704861
>loses 570 000 000 yen
You know that this are only like 5 or 6 million burger dollar? This is literally nothing for a big company. I would even say they just made this "loss" to evade taxes.

>>380713243
It's 5 million in revenue, not even a profit drop.

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>>380705004

Piracy. If someone waited so long for a critically and commercially successful game, they will wait that extra week it takes to be cracked.

>>380711506
>Piracy doesn't equate directly to lost sales

yes it does. not a 100% but it does. even for someone like me who buys a lot of games, nier A. being announced for PC (even though I've played all previous Taro games) made me buy Horizon on the PS4 (after great reviews of course and pirate nier.

competition is tough bro.

>>380705004
>With a game like Persona there's no reason not to go multiplat.

Guys. You and every dysfunctional totalbuiscuit like minded moron who pathologically hate consoles must realize that the PS4 is literally the ONLY reason games like P5 are made. This is not console wars, this is reality.

The more games ported on PC, the quicker the death of AAA gaming (especially japanese) will be.

>>380713817
Yeah, but "piracy affects sales to some degree" is a blanket statement that can't prove anything or be used a statistic.

I would buy every person in this thread p5 if it releases on PC right now. Not even memeing

>>380714010
>The more games ported on PC, the quicker the death of AAA gaming (especially japanese) will be.

Good. I'm tired of games being held as ransom.

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>>380714010
Bain?

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>>380704861

atlus should learn to not make horrible collabs nobody wants then

>>380714023
>is a blanket statement

no it's not. it's basic consumer behavior. most people are like me go for the best price. very few people are either totally poor or very well off. most people will pirate one game and buy the other.

>>380714116
>Good. I'm tired of games being held as ransom.

Dude I know I'm talking to some europoor or mexican for whom consoles are expensive but the ONLY reason Yakuza, Nier and Persona are made is because Sony is a partner on some level, marketing or otherwise. What the fuck is wrong with you, you are in favour of a platform (steam) that is makign ZERO games.

>>380714209
But that made money off the music aspects.

>>380714209
Wasn't that funded by Nintendo?

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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Faggots deserve it. Persona is shit and Pstudio is a weight hung around Atlus' neck because they're retards who take 9 years to make a game where the gameplay is just selecting shit from a fucking menu. Maybe if they had made another Catherine type game I would have given a shit but y'all can fuck off with gook simulator 5.

>>380714528
Fully by Avex Group
But he's retarded and hate facts so don't bother

Please bring cuckuza to PC

I'm can't wait to die from laughter when I see totalcancer find Kazuma's shenanigans "relatable".

>>380704861
I guess that's because of how much P5 was delayed. I mean, the budget for all their 3DS games put together is probably lower than that.

>>380704861
No really, P5 sold like crack so how'd they lose the money? Production costs really go that much over? Sony's exclusivity bucks didn't cover it? Shit Atlus, you're sitting on a franchise that has rabid die-hard weeaboo fans, wtf u doin.

I say what they SHOULD do, right now, for some quick and dirty cash:

HD remaster of Persona 3 and 4 for PS4.

Fuck, I'd buy it. I'd buy the fuck out of those games for the third time.

Like shit nigga, put that shit on the phone. They already ported SBK Snowboard Kids and SMT1 to mobile, just do the Squeenix thing and shit them out for phones for $15.

>>380714867
the little cunt probably make like 3-4 etrian games using the same fucking engine and at the same time but make sure each is a bit different from each other
same with smt games

>>380715025
>No really, P5 sold like crack so how'd they lose the money
Development started right after persona 4
People got paid during this time

>>380715025
OP'S
LINK
DOES
NOT
INCLUDE
WESTERN
SALES
Maybe if the post takes up more space, people will read it. Probably not.

>>380704861
No the switch would bring in money:
Steam users expect constant 80% deep discounts 24/7.

>>380714374
While you aren't wrong, you are blowing it out of proportion, sales are both moving AND increasing AS A WHOLE thanks to PC, in the future instead of making a game for console and then maybe ported for extra cash it will be made for console and pc, nothing will change from the software point of view. From hardware point of view, console will have another competitor, nothing new, if anything the anomaly is this almost competition-free gen.

>>380715172
How the fuck is ANYONE supposed to know that? OP's link is ENTIRELY IN MOONRUNE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT SAYS ASIDE FROM OP'S POST

MAYBE IF THE POST SAID THAT OR LINKED SOMETHING IN ENGLISH PEOPLE WILL READ IT, YA THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE?

>>380709131
Already can emulate up to 4 flawlessly in 4k for a good couple years now and soon 5 near the end of the year when audio gets sorted out. SMT and Persona emulate pretty easily without issue.

>>380715321
Maybe you should read threads before posting in them, retard.

>>380714010
>A console announced well after the game was in development is the reason the game got made

>>380715182
If or not it comes to PC, the only version that will sell is 5 at this point, because you can emulate the rest of the games at 4k without issue.

>>380704861

Maybe it has something to do with the massive hiring for Studio Zero?

>>380712592
This is a common misconception. PC sales are just as market driven as any other video game area, and PC gamers just largely have different taste than most console gamers.

That being said, I don't know if Monster Hunter is something that will lend itself towards what PC gamers typically want because they have absolutely shit taste. I love my PC and prefer all games on it but holy shit what people buy on Steam is fucking retarded.

>>380715432
Does not include western sales

>Persona

I wouldn't buy it even if it was on PC.

>>380715376
Yeah I've got time to sift through 218 posts of mostly shitposting.

Anyway my point is, HD ports of Persona 3 and 4 would be some quick and dirty money if they really needed it and that makes more sense than porting anything to PC.

>>380715547
You're on 4chan, you have time.

>>380704951
that delusion man

>>380715376
Also what you just said makes no sense in regards to
>Maybe if the post takes up more space, people will read it.
OP's post said nothing about western sales so what was the point of this sentence?

>>380715547
>HD ports of Persona 3 and 4
For what purpose, when it's possible to emulate them in 4k for free, HD isn't going to do jack shit for the native resolution given the texture scaling on persona games is all vector shit.

>>380714193
If I pull the 60th fotogram off, will he die?

>>380707701
>steam sales
>100% benefits
lol, you only make 50% after steam + taxes.

>>380715669
>For what purpose
To have Persona 4 Golden on console and not shackled to Vita
To have Persona 3 FES with the content additions of Portable without losing the 3D cutscenes and overworld

>>380715025
Atlus must suck at money managment. Like how they somehow managed to bankrupt Index.

>>380714010
>must realize that the PS4 is literally the ONLY reason games like P5 are made.

But it's a PS3 game that got a PS4 port.

>>380715809
>To have Persona 4 Golden on console and not shackled to Vita
Emulation
>To have Persona 3 FES with the content additions of Portable without losing the 3D cutscenes and overworld
Emulation/romhacks

>>380715809
Pretty much this.

>>380715901
Do you even read what you post?
Emulation and romhacks can do neither of those things so good job on being a retard.

>>380706236
>the real issue is that Eurocasuals didn't buy SMT IV.

For a game to sell, it needs to be released first.

>>380705634
Yea, actually. You have any idea how long they spent on it? It also has tons and tons of FMV.

>>380715957
You do know vita emulation exist right?

>>380715901
So you were talking about games you know nothing about, really surprising. Next time try to not embarrass yourself so much, though.

>>380716015
:thinking about stuff:

>>380706236
>the real issue is that Eurocasuals didn't buy SMT IV

Maybe they shouldn't have waited almost 18 months and not released it as a fucking eShop exclusive.

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>>380716015
> vita emulation

>>380715025
P3 FES is coming to PS4 as a PS2 Classic. Hopefully this Tues.

>>380712198
That's probably why developers like Spike Chunsoft self-publish on steam. NISA publishes their games in the west, but on Steam they do it themselves.
Swimming in money.

>>380706236
No physical, no buy.

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>>380716015

>>380708835
Jesus Christ he was just listing it as another example of a Nipponese game selling well on PC, you don't have to take it as a personal attack on Automata.

>>380704861
Congrats on your successful bait thread, anon kun.

>tfw can't decide if PC or Nintenkuk more pathetic

>>380716015
>RPCS3
>RPCS3 is a PlayStation 3 (PS3) and PS Vita emulator that is in very early development. Currently usable only for light homebrew and a few commercial titles (Compatibility List), with heavy glitches
>THERE ARE NO EMULATORS THAT CAN RUN COMMERCIAL GAMES PLAYABLY YET.
A round of applause for the double retard. If they did a port of P4G, it would come out faster than it takes for that emulator to become usable.

>>380716181
That's cool but I want the new gameplay content from P3P tho

>>380716297
>Vita emulation in RPCS3 is a small side project by a couple of developers, it currently can only display a simple 'Hello world' and run a basic atomic test sample.[1]
Fucking wow, can't wait for that "4K" vita emulation in 2050! >>380715669

>>380709176
Beyond what the others said take into account that all the Drakengard games and the original Nier were on PS2/3, so Taro's established fanbase are more likely to be on PS4. There's more to things than pure numbers and statistics.

>>380716250
He was just pointing out how that comparison doesn't make any sense, you don't have to act like the shitposting defense force for no reason.

>>380712136
Nocturne was a massive fucking failure. The game was way too expensive and it didn't reach their expectations. Cozy just disappeared into oblivion after that.

>>380715547
Wasn't FES recently uploaded in the PS store or some shit like that?

Anyways, since everyone else is doing it they should remake P3 including fem route with models from. Doesn't have to be as stylish as P5 but possibly try.

[Spoiler]I'd prefer a full P2 remake which keeps the story but updates the gameplay and has 3D models and shit now but P3 would be a better moneymaker more.

>>380716504
But I don't think he was comparing them at all, just using them as two completely independent examples.

>>380714209
The game is actually unironically good, just the marketing was wrong.

>>380716510
Masaka! But it featured Dante from the Devil May Cry series, how could it have failed?

>>380716571
EXACTLY
I want them to put P3FES on PS4 but with the fem route and other small gameplay changes that they had in P3P. I can't imagine it's THAT much more work, P3P had the trip to Inaba but they can just take the assets from P4. Only new thing is a 3D model for young Yukiko.

>>380716297
Eh, this is cheaper for them. I'd bne happy to rebuy all the megaten games on PS2 classic.

>>380716571
>Wasn't FES recently uploaded in the PS store or some shit like that?

Yes.

>>380716583
He tried to say that automata didn't sell well because Tekken sold more, keep reading the replying chain.

wtf I'm gonna by Strange Journey Redux now

>>380716510
>Nocturne was a massive fucking failure.

Their own fault at fucking up the first version of the game.

Persona 5 on PC fucking when

>>380709176
This is bait right?

Tekken 7 didn't sell as well on PC because the established fanbase isn't on PC, the longer Tekken stays on PC and stays quality the larger the fanbase will become and the more sales they will see on that platform.

Bethesda has a massive fanbase on PC, Skyrim sold 10 million units on PC.

The Civ Series has an established fanbase on PC, Civ VI sold 2 million on PC, a niche game, and after expansions it will have sold 8 mil+, the same happened to Civ V.

If you want your game to sell on a platform, keep releasing it on that platform to build up your fanbase and build fan loyalty.

>>380715957
Romhacks? Pfft, who makes romhacks of per- OH MY GOODNESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmJzWce0C6w
ADACHIIIIIIII

>>380716891
The Tekken community is recommending the pc version too since it runs way better.

>>380715841
Atlus was the only part of Index that made money.

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>>380705640
100k Copies sold on PC is 4 million$ flat profit because steam takes 30% of every sale and that's it.
Thats aground 445.3 Million Yen.

And a big name game like persona would sell way more.

Nier sold 360K on PC.

I estimate a minimum of 200K for persona.

At best that's around 1000k Yen.

Keep living in your bubble console man but if your favorite non AAA companies dont embrace multi platform releases no one is getting any more games from them.

But you obviously dont care if you games can be platform exclusive they are obviously not worth playing because its not about as many people possible playing your favorite game.
Its about getting the specialty feeling of pretending the console manufacturer loves you because your game is extra special because its only on the system you like.

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>>380716925
HOLY SHIT WHERE'S MY P3P ISO

>>380711673
>Nocturne/DDS fans don't exist

>>380716771
I think the guy who started with the greentext about Jap games selling poorly on PC is different to the guy who mentioned Automata and Tekken, who I see as listing games he thought did well to counter that and support >>380705879

>>380717114
Didn't most of them sell really badly?

>>380715841
i dont have the proper image to show how much im laughin anon

>>380717015
That's good, PC games tend to have legs as well, Skyrim didn't sell 10 million in it's first 12 months on sale, it met that after a few years, just like Civ V, and just like CSGO which has sold 30 million copies on PC.

>>380716891
>because the established fanbase isn't on PC,
This. Console kids must understand that what they are seeing is devs building up new fanbases on a new system. We can talk about if they are building them up well or not, but everything else is shitposting.

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>>380716510
This hurts my soul that pure kino is rarely profitable, especially for a niche.

>>380709572
Steam has a much bigger library of games than the PS4, which means each player has more choice in the games they can play and that in turn makes it much harder to get a sale. I don't think that a lot of those popular console games, like Bloodborne, Uncharted, Persona 5 or Nier are very good as games. They only have a lot of sales due to pre-order culture and the lack of games to play on consoles.
I mean personally I really enjoyed Nier, but it wasn't because it was a great game with lasting appeal, it was because I was impressed by how it utilized game mechanics to deliver on a story.
When you don't care about shit like that and just want good a good game for your money, Nier is not something you want to look at. in fact, you really want to avoid. Because it's expensive and has low replay value.
Persona 5 I wasn't impressed by at all. It was drummed up as amazing, but it's actually kinda boring. I wanna play it because the story and world are fairly interesting, but I have a very hard time getting into it.

Also, not all of those 120 million users are necessarily capable of playing games more graphically intensive than DOTA/CSGO/Indie Pixel Shit. About 50M players on Steam have the hardware to out perform PS4 Pro I think. Not 100% sure, it was a long time ago I calculated it, but the number is definitely not 120M.

The fortunate thing about PC, though, is that even if you can't sell a billion and one copies in the first year like you would on consoles, chances are that down the line sales will still trickle in for quite a long time. Hell, people still buy Age of Empires 2.

>>380717205
People refer to PS2 as the "golden age" of Megaten but that didn't really reflected on the sales, P4 aside.

>>380705640
Japs have already realized that porting to PC is cheap and provides decent bux for its cost, and if it keep going they'll develop a fanbase which will further increase the sales. Look at the E3 - there are a lot of Japanese PC releases, which would be preposterous just a few years ago.
Sure, Atlus doesn't follow that trend, but if they decide to go multiplat with SMT HD, which is developed using Unreal Engine, it's possible that they'll chim it out for PC. That's of course only if SMT HD isn't purely Switch exclusive.

>>380717340
It also didn't have all features that were planned, budget was just too high. Reused assets saved them, especially with Persona 4.
It seems that Persona 5 was also quite dangerous for them because of the development hell. You'd think it would follow Nocturne steps with reused assets, but it's weird that SMT HD is using Unreal Engine instead of Persona 5's engine.

>>380717312
I really only explained that because sometimes it feels people here may actually be stupid enough to not be able to look at the data and find this shit out, even though a lot of the time low quality posts and bait are the same thing.

>>380709572
But that's not true at all Dark Souls 3 sold 1.6 million units on PC, and 2 million on PS4, a series that originated on the Playstation platform with exclusive entries on that platform and the bonus of the Japanese market that quite simply don't buy PC. Bloodborne would have easily have broken 1 million on PC, and probably would have reached 1.6 like DS3.

Go be ignorant in your own time.

>>380716891
>Tekken 7 didn't sell as well on PC because

>Before
There's so many people that want to play Tekken on PC
>After
Bro, it's a niche title for the PC.

eternal shit argument of the begging race. excuse me while I play Tekken without having paid for it.

>>380717986
Nice bait anyway, it's not like you actually produced a real argument though, so whatever.

>>380717501
megaten and the whole universes including persona have all sold pretty meh comparing they are pretty niche given they stick to their roots overall and are pretty consistent between each game with some various unique flavors thrown in to try something new (devil summoner), but the ps2 era was the literal golden age for this field given it has the most amount of relevant games out of all systems for megaten.

Persona 3/FES
Persona 4
Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2
Devil Summoner 1 and 2
Nocturne
are all on ps2 out of all generations that's a fuck huge amount of games for one series to be on one. What's a shame is really that it was all the spin off garbage of persona 4 that got shoveled elsewhere. I wouldn't mind seeing a Persona 1 and 2 remake for higher consoles given even in emulation they act like they shit. Maybe bring back the earliest SMT games from famicon and pc engine I'd love to see those get possible releases again. But it won't really happen, because everyone is to much on the jock of persona 5, expect a dancing all night with it soon.

>>380717859
Pardon my ignorance, but is it not possible to port over at least the basics of their models or something? Is that possible on a case by case basis of the engines, or just out of the question?

>>380704861
>fiscal year ended March 2017
Doesn't even include P5 sales outside of Japan.

>there's no reason for Atlus not to bring Persona to PC and Switch
But that's not the reason they lost money. Persona 5 was the fastest selling game in the franchise in Japan. PC sales especially in Japan would have been fucking nothing. Switch sales wouldn't have mattered either because as I pointed out the Switch wasn't out at this time and even if it was it has such a small install base any sales would not have made a difference. I don't know why Atlus lost money but it certainly wasn't because they didn't put Persona 5 on the PC or Switch you idiot.

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>>380704861
Worst part is they are willingly sucking Sony cock whit Persona series.

Its not payed exclusive by Sony.

>>380718224
It's actually really simple to port models between engines given it's a model not a script.

>>380718224
I mean, I'm ignorant too. But PS2 titles clearly shared the same engine, that's what I was referring to. But that's probably simply because of SMT HD being for Switch and Switch being friendly with Unreal Engine.

>>380718334
>Its not payed exclusive by Sony.
You don't know that.

>>380718380
I sure hope it's not true. It would be humiliating to hemorrhage that much money if Sony was paying them.

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>>380704861
>not even weebs buy jRPG trash on their weeb machines
Wow, what a shocker.

>>380718372
Between all the PS2 titles the weirdest variations in engine happen between all the other games and devil summoner 2. For some odd reason might be the way combat is handled, but generally everything in even town sections is handled weird as fuck combining multi section layers to make towns seem bigger with overlaying assets on wonky textures. Could be the time at which they made it also?

They deserve to fail, it's divine desu
>make game mocking God
>blaspheme upon his holy creations
>retarded atheist kids from the west suck down on your jap heathen garbage
They deserve a meteorite strike into the hole country

>>380718129
Megaten sold better in the 90's than on PS2, before P4 the best selling games in the franchise were SMT II and P1. PS2 didn't really stand out for the amount of games, SFC and PS1 had about the same or more.

>>380718224
Sort of, most nip companies tend to throw away their archives every few years, possibly out of retardation, I never really understood why, it's not like tape storage is at all expensive, or even cloud storage nowadays, REmake HD just upscaled all the assets because they had already deleted the original scenes, SE did the same with FFVII but they apparently did it shortly after completing the game.

Moving models between engines is easy, you can either re export your initial models into a format that the engine understands, change the format your exported models are in for another engine which may require cleaning up due to lack of standardization between formats, sometimes the x and y are backwards, or the scale is treated differently, or you can add support for the model format your models are already in for the engine you are using.

It's a bit of work depending on what you do but it's nothing at all hard.

>>380718380
Why would Sony need to pay for Persona as an exclusive when the series always releases on Sony systens, makes no sense.

>>380718534
>Minecraft is the best selling Vita game currently

It's a shame, they tried to roll out console based games, but ended up with mediocre experiences that hurt them
>borderlands 2 on vita
novel but poorly executed to a T as a perfect example

>>380705079
This desu

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>release 1:1 port of Dragons Crown on PC, PS4, and Switch
>problem solved
It'd really be that easy.

>>380718607
Fuck you Metatron

>>380718686
>Why would Sony need to pay for Persona as an exclusive when the series always releases on Sony systens, makes no sense.

Why would Atlus release a game exclusively on a console without being paid for it, makes no sense.

>>380718380
Persona Q exists.

8 years Persona 5 made them bloodbath.

>>380718607
Failure as a shitposter.

>>380718941
Because Atlus has a large pre established fanbase on that console, same thing with Bokujou Monogatari/ Story of Seasons, these games aren't published by Nintendo but have historically sold best on Nintendo platforms by a wide margin, just like Rune Factory so Marvelous just puts them on Nintendo.

That isn't to say that Persona or BM/SoS couldn't make it onto other platforms but they just stay where their fanbase is.

>>380707957
Q is already on the 3ds

Even though I already own it on ps4 I'd probably buy it again for the PC.

>>380708016
>Had #FE been multiplat, it would have sold better
So why not just buy it for the Wii U?

>>380718941
Atlus is a Japanese company to a fault, they do it out of nationalism. Xbox isn't Japanese and PC isn't huge in the Japanese market since PCengine in the early 90s.

>>380704861
need more waifus

>>380718947
How much did it sell tho?
PQ2 when?

>>380705246
It probably fell out of their pocket and down the back of the couch while they were sitting.

>>380719367
Fuck if I know, but Persona fags cried cause it was too hard.

>>380718941
>Why would Atlus release a game exclusively on a console without being paid for it, makes no sense.

PS4: most people buy the game full price day one
PC: half the people wait for crack the other half wait for sales.

Are you people legit retarded; game after game these years on PC: cracked / low sales. "No established fanbase on PC bruh"

>>380716891

now explain why the witcher doesn't sell as well on pc than console

>>380709056
I don't believe that, story and localization aside #FE doesn't feel half assed at all.

>>380719416
>we'll never get a proper dungeon crawler persona again because the audience prefers dating sims and cutscenes

>>380719471
>sell as well on pc than console

is this english ?

>>380719540
That's what SMT is for.

>>380719528
You'll have to excuse them a lot of them judge by the theme and not content.

>>380719416
But it was pretty easy especially compared to EO, I kicked the shit in of most FOEs on the first showing just by abusing the right binds (fuck the assholes with diarahan though)

>>380719540
Atlus already registered a PQ2 domain so I guess they're open to the idea.

>>380719471
Witcher 3 sold best on PC, what are you on about. but even then the Witcher 3 was a massively hyped game with a large advertising budget, of course it captured a lot of sales from console users, this is the nature of hype, comapnies do this all the time, Watch Dogs, no established fanbase, 8 million units, big advertising campaign, easily marketable idea. some games tend to just be like that, Splatoon, no established fanbase, easily marketable idea, Squid Lolis, 4 million+ units on a system with less than 20 million customers.

>>380719641
Eh, it's alright but not the same.
I'd give anything for another 1 or Q

>>380705405
I pre-ordered both.

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>>380719540
>he doesn't play real smt games

>>380719672
Hope is not lost.

>>380704861
There's no reason not to bring your games to all platforms apart from the maker of said platform paying you more than you would earn on them not to bring it to said them. Like Sony did for MH World allegedly.

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>>380719710
Of course they're not he same
SMT is actually good.

>>380719540
The dating sim half of the game is what turned Persona into it's own thing instead of just being some SMT spin off.

Etrian Mystery Dungeon sold bad, Etrian Odyssey V sold even worse and SMT IV did slightly better than Etrian Mystery Dungeon. Atlus should finally ditch Nintendo all together, since Nintendofans don't want anything else than Nintendos own games.

>>380710140
Yeah it came out here quite a long time after and digital only.
Which is strange because the etrians and Q had a physical release.

In any case Apoc had a physical release thanks to Deep Silver if I remember right.

>>380719876
EO is close to dead anyways with the end of the 3DS slowly coming up.

>>380719958
What if they put it in Switch and made a phone app to act as a lower screen?

maybe if sony had marketed the fucking game a little bit. They didnt even give it a Trailer at E3. Hell same goes for all their japanese titles that could sell here if they would actually bother advertising them like Ace Combat or Yakuza

>>380720025
That'd be kinda shitty to control.

>>380720071
Better than nothing

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Keep your trash off the only platform that matters, please. Nobody wants your weebshit on PC, so just fuck off. Also, shit-eaters begging for weebshit on PC need to be shot

>>380719876
EMD did better than expected, it actually had shortages in Japan because Atlus underestimated the demand and it's getting a sequel. The only EO that did bad on 3DS was EO2U, the three others sold about the same. SMT IV is quite literally the best selling mainline game, so you're just baiting.

>>380704861
Yeah PC is like free money, especially for low-tech games that don't cost much to port like most JRPGs. The insane success of the first Neptunia game on Steam should have been the signal to any Jap devs with a brain that there was a huge market there - it made several million dollars of pure profit, a huge amount for a niche publisher.

>>380719367
About 255,000 in Japan. Actually more than the original version of Persona 3, but not as much as Persona 3 Portable or Persona 4.

>>380720213
>expecting Sonygros to know what they're talking about
That said as of later weeb games have been selling more and more on Nintendo systems. Just look at Disgaea.

>>380720172
Right>left
Not even close.

>>380720172
Why would someone argue against the availability of games? It doesn't affect you in any way if someone plays games you don't like. Why is this the way you choose to spend your time?

>>380720069
There's no way they lost it on Persona, and none of their games flopped hard enough, I think it's business things, I'd suspect loan repayments and purposely trying to turn a loss for taxation purposes, maybe Sega offloaded losses onto Atlus, these things happen.

>>380720172
I only want them on PC to weaken the Playstation brand and strengthen PC, the day that Sony exits the games market will truly be a great day, then we just need Microsoft to fold back into PC and for Sega to come back, and it can be like the good ol days of 9/11, finally companies making games that actually give a fuck about gameplay and not marketability and cinematic experience, also Sony is just plain cancer.

>>380720236
Fucking Senran Kagura coming to Steam should have been the flag to tell Jap devs the waters are all clear. They just released Estival Versus on steam and unlike Shinovi Versus they decided to throw on a bunch of side dlc rather than include it this time.

And people still fucking bought it.

>>380720426
I guess, but my point still stands. They could have made way more but Sony is appearantly allergic to advertising their japanese franchises in the West.

>>380720426
>There's no way they lost it on Persona,
Eh, they put more money in than they usually do for persona when it comes to development and marketing.
It is a possibility.

>>380720426
>Sony is bad
>Make it all PC and games will be great
I can't even begin to explain how stupid this is.

>>380719689
When the game came out witcher 3 sold more on consoles.

>>380720615
>Sony
>the company that completely abandoned their vita users and standardised paid online
Right clearly they're "#4thegamers"

>>380720172
Which side is the trash on?

>>380720813
>Sony standardized paid online
I know PC only cucks are retarded, but there has to be some limit.

>>380720172
Theres good things and shit things in both sides so i dont know if this is a bait pic or not

>>380720813
All right, you can have the point about the Vita being abandoned, but don't even pretend for a single fucking second that ANYONE besides Microsoft standardized paid online service.

Xbox Live is precisely what set the system up, and it was doing it for years before Sony gave in due to the precedent MS set.

>>380719856
Persona 3/4 uses just slightly different Nocturne battle system, while Persona 1 & 2 were obviously different. I admit that Persona 1 & 2's battle system wasn't very good, but it had a potential - I enjoyed them at first, and then it turned into a shitfest only because of obnoxious encounter rate.