Character Action Thread

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easier=/=better

Why do you make a thread labeled "Character Action Thread" and the first thing you do is hate on a character action game?

>>380681125
I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or just implicitly complementing yourself.

>>380680953
All three are great games but come on, how can you say that DMC4, especially Dante in that game, doesn't have better gameplay than Bayo or especially MGR which isn't that complex for an action game.

>>380680953
>MGR
I felt MGR's combat was pretty shallow in some cases, it was obviously kinda pigeonholing MGS tropes into a character-action shell.

I did like Bayo more though.

Bayo isn't even half as good

>>380680953
You're an idiot because you started a franchise war thread, not a discussion thread.

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Bayo has forced QTE sections in nearly every chapter

Its GOW tier

>>380680953
DMC2 was the peak of character action games and the DMC series, fight me.

DMC4 had extremely annoying enemies.

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Fuck all that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHUcohywK5E

Thoughts niggas.

>>380681798
lol

The combat is far more deep and has far more advanced mechanics that give you the ability to be far more creative than either of those games.

4 is only the peak in terms of combat depth. 3 is the best game.

>>380682287
And too few enemy types as well. And it didn't help that Nero only has one weapon.

God I fucking hate that game.

>>380682017

Only another retard would be dumb enough to pick a fight with a retard. So good like with that.

>>380682010
God I wish I had a system capable of playing a Ninja Gaiden that wasn't that simplified, stylized one on Steam. I want to get into this series so bad.

>>380680953
Bayonetta is pretty much what DMC4 should've been, outside of a few tweaks that make her combos more open-ended.

DMC's controls are largely awful in comparison to other action games, being too obtuse and input heavy.

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>>380680953
>and MGR

>>380682010
There's only 2 forced QTEs in Bayo 1, and they're both easy as fuck and give you plenty of warning.

>>380682770
This is what you get for being a pc-cuck.

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>>380680953
In my opinion DMC4 is better, MGR was too easy and simple, I liked bayo but I simply love style switching and concentration gauge too much, Vergil is so damn fun

*hack and slash thread?

what do you guys think of Musou?

>>380683582
This. When the fuck did these games stop being called hack and slash, but Diablo like games started? You hack, and you slash. It's literally the main characteristic of these games. Diablo like games are isometric RPG's. You don't JUSt hack and slash there, there's also magic and arrows and shit. Fucking hell people.

>>380683203
vergil is ez mode in dmc4

>>380683936
Diablo is as much an RPG as any of these games are.

>>380682538
2d hack and slash + launcher has been done to death, but those platform mechanics look interesting

>>380680953
>MGR
>Better than anything
you have to qualify that statement with "the Jetstream Sam DLC" because anyone who thinks Raiden's gameplay isn't shallow mashy bullshit has invalid taste.

Bayonetta is better than DMC4 though, and even those who disagree would say it's a valid argument to try to make.

>>380684429
>those platform mechanics look interesting
Finally, some originality!

DMC games and shit are on sale at the Humble Store, should I just grab them now or wait for the Steam Summer Sale?

>>380682538
2D will never be as good.

The thing about 2D stylish action games is, if you don't have to deal with 3D positioning, you ought to just make a fighting game with sidescrolling platformer mechanics, rather than using the moveset conventions of a 3D game.

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So, I've been wanting to play this for a while now, but I don't have an Xbox.
Are Sigma 1 and 2 as good as Black and 2?

I prefer DMC 3. DMC 4 tilted towards pandering to combovidfags

>>380680953
>Bayonetta

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Because it objectively nets the best looking combat

Are you retarded? Honestly, are you?
Mgr doesn't reach one ounce of DMC4 complexity, even of Nero.

>>380685715
pls respond

>>380685715
The general consensus:
Black>Sigma1>2>sigma2

>>380683857
It's like cutting grass in Zelda but flashier and somehow less fun.

DMC4 has the highest skill ceiling.

I haven't played a single hack and slash that even comes close to the insane skill ceiling DMC4 has specially Dante.

>>380683582
It's called character action you fucking idot

>>380683582
>>380683936
Diablo and its ilk have been referred to as Hack N Slash games since they fucking released in the 90's.

Devil May Cry came out years later and I never saw ANYBODY refer to it or its clones as Hack N Slash games until like 2010.

>>380688124
what do you think of Legendary Dark Knight mode in 4SE? what about Sengoku Basara?

I love MGR but you are fucking retarded if you think the gameplay is anywhere near as complex as Bayo, let alone DMC4.

>>380687527
But other than the censored gore and lowered difficulty, is the gameplay the same?

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>>380680953

>character action

>>380685715
I think Vanilla 2 is a fucking terrible game myself, Black is the only good Ninja Gaiden that isn't on NES.

>>380680953
>Dude QTEs lmao

Fuck off.

>>380680953
MGR's gameplay is weak as shit outside of Sam.

>>380682538
Looks really good, graphics especially.

Somebody fucking tell them to change/improve those fucking hit sounds though.

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i've been playing DMC4 since the original and i still don't feel like i've mastered it, while mgr and bayo i started on hard (except bayo, since no hard mode) and every consecutive playthrough just upped the difficulty and really didn't have a hard time.

to be honest, mgr was the easiest on revengance and bayo was just boring on nsicm because the game wasn't really built without wt in mind, even if you know how to dodge cancel.

platinum games are usually just button mashers where you find two or three moves you like and just get good at timing because all of their games have some timing gimmick which breaks the game if you master it.

also
dmc3>dmc4

>>380680953
>Why do people pretend this game's gameplay is the peak in its genre?
Because they're obsessed with worthless combos over killing things efficiently and having a well designed moveset to accomplish that.

>you have a character
>he/she does actions
apparently this is special enough to be a genre now.

>>380681272
>how can you say that DMC4, especially Dante in that game, doesn't have better gameplay than Bayo or especially MGR
Because he's a recycled, watered down version of DMC3 Dante with a terribly balanced moveset, and 4's enemies in general aren't fun to fight.

>>380682010
>Bayo has forced QTE sections in nearly every chapter
And DMC4 has lost woods, gyro blade 'puzzles', that stupid run away from Echidna bit, and Snatch platforming.

>>380682589
>4 is only the peak in terms of combat depth.
>Real Impact: The Game
>deep
Choose one. Only one.

>>380689404
Difficulty in Sigma 1 is only "lowered" because you have more savepoints and shops. Also, gore isn't really censored, because it wasn't that bloody of a game to being with.

Sigma 2 has better framerate than vanilla 2 and less incendiary shuriken spam from offscreen enemies, but at the expense of less enemies on screen at once.

>>380690435
I want DMC3 in colorful, lush environments. I don't get why this genre is filled to the brim with monsters and gloomy environments. MGR had a great aesthetic.

>>380687375
>Mgr doesn't reach one ounce of DMC4 complexity, even of Nero.
>Raiden
>4 distinct melee weapons
>Nero
>one melee weapon that was a ripoff of the real character's
What did Anon mean by this?

>>380690807
Well at least there's Credo.

Gone before his fucking time.

>>380689404
Sigma 1 is basically the same as Black, Sigma 2 is widely different and basically a neutered version of vanilla.

>>380691372
Because DMC comes from horror roots.

>>380687375
But it is more fun and that's what counts :)

>>380691372
But MGR was 90% dusty industrial grey.

Colorful environments can work, but it depends on the aesthetic. DMC works best with the Gothic atmosphere.

>>380691372

>mgr
>washed out colours everywhere

the only pretty part was the jap garden.

>>380688619
It's just Action. Hack and slash if you need to qualify it further. Character action sounds retarded.

>No more DMC
>Not even a MGR sequel
how do I stops the pain

>>380690435
>bayo was just boring on nsicm because the game wasn't really built without wt in mind
It was completely balanced around not needing WT, 2 is the fuck up.

>platinum games are usually just button mashers where you find two or three moves you like and just get good at timing because all of their games have some timing gimmick which breaks the game if you master it.
Kind of like RG in DMC3 and [insert stupid just input gimmick] in DMC4.

>>380691591
>>380691639
tbf, I am thinking mostly of Denver. Game really peaked there.

What are /v/'a opinions on Trish and Lady's gameplay in DMC4SE?

>>380692213
Both are extremely fun, Lady is really simple though.
Also having Gloria as a DLC is bullshit but I got the game for like 15 bucks.

>>380680953
>MGR
is a half baked game where main design has too many conflicting remnants of ideas from kojimahack to actually work as a proper action game

it's a game with terrible balance and no proper work done to make a satisfying learning curve work from normal to hardest difficulty throughout

> DMC4
isn't even a game, it's a stub with ten levels

and new halfbaked character like they did in SE only exacerbated the issue.

>>380691314
>>380691532
Thanks anons!

>>380691874

>balanced around WT
enemies are MUCH harder to stagger on NSICM which turns the game into just dodge offset spam mode.

>RG
perfect timing in RG is waaay harder than anything in mgr or bayo and is just one playstyle of many.
even if you style switch a lot your mentality is switching non stop from going "will i perfect guard, do some trickster, dodge or try to stagger the enemy in my next button press?" while bayo and mgr is keeping one mentality throughout the whole game "mash attack and wait for a moment you feel comfortable to perfect time a move".

>>380692774
This. And Trish has a LOT of potential after 4SE. I'd like to see Itsuno expand on her.

It's easy to get good at Bayonetta. It's babbies first action game, and MGR is just shallow as fuck. DMC4 is the ultimate action game and takes immense skill to get good.

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>>380683582
*3d beat-em-up thread

>>380692842
Vergil and Trish are fun tho

>>380693007
>enemies are MUCH harder to stagger on NSICM
No they're not, they all have well defined periods when they can be staggered/launched that can be easily capitalized on with Afterburner Kick.

>just dodge offset spam mode
You can crush NSIC without ever learning to dodge offset without using items or Rodin/Pillowtalk/Kilgore exploit. It isn't terribly difficult.

>perfect timing in RG is waaay harder than anything in mgr or bayo
You are grossly overestimating RG, jump buffers make it simple and you don't have to block every attack.

>even if you style switch a lot
Why would you use RG in DMC4, the only thing it's decent for is deshielding blitzes.

>will i perfect guard, do some trickster, dodge or try to stagger the enemy in my next button press
You'll beat on the enemy with whatever until you see something about to hit you, avoid it then continue the beating until nothing is still standing, just like Bayonetta/MGR.

>mashing 'attack'
>in Bayonetta
What.

>wait for a moment you feel comfortable to perfect time a move
That sounds like a terrible way to play any of these games. You keep up the offense until you're forced to do something else, and Bayo/MGR, for all their sins, are much more interesting offensively than Dante Must Combo 4.

>>380693665
>DMC4 is the ultimate action game and takes immense skill to get good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDztPKuIwb8

So deep. So skillful.

Bayonetta is a better game overall but the QTE really suck, they could have just as easily not been a part of the game.

>>380680953
lots of depth, little else especially game designs to teach the mechanics
overall package is lackluster better than bayo worse than mgr

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>>380693946
I'd bet you 100 dollars you wouldn't even be able to do that in less than 20 tries. Nice cherrypicking though.

A literaly 10 year old could be good at Bayonetta. The dodge window is so great that you'd have to be retarded to get hit by anything. Just attack mindlessly and dodge when the enemy is about to attack.

Metal Gear Rising has no depth at all. Slash slash, cut.

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Are we cuhrayzee enough?

>>380693806
>No they're not
yes they are, just check it.

>dodge offset
i never use items in action games and neither did i use any of those weapons but you really do need to dodge offset if you want pure platinum.

>overestimating RG
haven't played 4 in a while and am more focused on 3 on my ps2 so you may be right, you lose the feel for 4 once you return to 3.

>the only thing it's decent for is deshielding blitzes.
i use it depending on the situation, really random when i use it, i don't even use it every time i'm fighting a blitz.

>You'll beat on the enemy with whatever until you see something about to hit you, avoid it then continue the beating until nothing is still standing, just like Bayonetta/MGR.
just bashing on enemies fucks your style and score while it really doesn't affect you in mgr or bayo if you just mash a few combos.

>What.
have a few ground combos and a few air combos and those are the ones you'll always use. like the combo that ends with the million kicks, use that almost all the time.

>Dante Must Combo 4.
no real benefit in comboing in mgr or bayo, like i previously said it doesn't affect the score nearly as much as it does in any dmc game, few ground and few air combos and your good to go, just get good at the core gameplay mechanic that is timing in those two games.

>>380693806
Just popped into this thread but mgr really is boring after the first two run through's

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>>380682010
Makes me cry when I see this god i wish they brought back OG Ninja Gaiden. 3 was ass

>>380687375
DMC4's "complexity" is completely lost on a half-finished game with no enemy variety.

>>380694286
>The dodge window is so great that you'd have to be retarded to get hit by anything. Just attack mindlessly and dodge when the enemy is about to attack.
5 frames is the witch time window, first frame of being hit is the Bats Within window. The only reason it feels easier is because Bayonetta can dodge-cancel, where as almost everything in DMC4 needs to be jump canceled.

Trickster dash has more iframes than anything Bayonetta can do, but everyone touts that shit like it takes some pinnacle of mechanical skill to use effectively.

Bayonetta and MGR combat is complete breaindead. These games were made for casuals... Although that's not saying they are bad games or not enjoyable but DMC4's combat can't be beat and it won't ever be surpassed either considering the route the genre took since like 10 years ago.

It's like going from SFIII (DMC4) to SFV (Bayonetta, DMC reboot, etc.) kind of casualization. There is no going back from this.

>>380694286
>the Anon defending DMC4 is a combofag
What a shock.

>I'd bet you 100 dollars you wouldn't even be able to do that in less than 20 tries.
Why would I want to, it is completely worthless and counterproductive.

>A literaly 10 year old could be good at Bayonetta.
On lower settings? No shit. Anyone can break DMC or Bayonetta on Normal or below. Only the highest setting with restrictions matter, and no ten year old is going to be proficient at that with either of them.

>The dodge window is so great that you'd have to be retarded to get hit by anything.
Kind of like DMC4's jump, only instead of making enemies aggressive and competent they just gave everything super armor and nigh instant counter attacks.

Also, Rodin 1 is a much better fight than any in DMC.

>Metal Gear Rising has no depth at all.
It has plenty of options worth using, as opposed to the Real Impact simulator, and better enemies to boot.

>>380694750
>just check it
I have. Even larger mid sized can be constantly launched with ease.

>but you really do need to dodge offset if you want pure platinum.
Doubt it, but have never tried to PP Bayo 1. Only talking about crushing a vanilla playthrough.

>i use it depending on the situation
There is virtually no other situation worth switching to that waste of a style slot. It is arguably worst than Pandora's GS moves in terms of usability.

>just bashing on enemies fucks your style and score
Who cares about either, style only matters if you're specifically going for the highest ranks (which is almost never), and the best ways to build style devolve to spamming certain moves over and over.

>have a few ground combos and a few air combos and those are the ones you'll always use
That isn't mashing attack.

>no real benefit in comboing in mgr or bayo
Yes, however, unlike Dante Must Combo 4, they don't have a single attack in their moveset that is head shoulders above everything else, and that everything else isn't garbage.

>>380695334
>DMC4's combat can't be beat and it won't ever be surpassed
It has. Multiple times, by Bayonetta and even MGR in many ways.

>It's like going from SFIII (DMC4) to SFV (Bayonetta, DMC reboot, etc.) kind of casualization.
What is this 'casualization'. For the love of Christ, don't cite some pointless combo shit that doesn't help you kill things.

>>380680953
>character action
Sorry, it's just action. Character action doesn't make any fucking sense, sounds retarded and is never going to stick outside of a couple of mouthbreathers here and whatever youtube superstar you got that from.
Get fucked.

>>380691659
This. The "character" generally isn't even the important part, since the games are all about the mechanical depth and challenge and the characters are largely interchangeable.

The term character action was originally used to refer to mascot platformers like Crash, where it actually makes sense to use because using the character for marketing purposes beyond the game itself is generally a significant reason for why those games exist. You could swap Dante with any other action hero and it wouldn't change anything significant about the game.

>>380695448
>combofag
redpill me on this meme

>>380694497
Game?

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>Almost 100 posts
>No one has mentioned the true GOAT

>>380683936
Diablo has always been "hack and slash." The term was originally derived from low-brow fantasy books and applied to tabletop RPG players, DMs, and campaigns that focused entirely on combat instead of roleplaying, i.e., hacking and slashing their way through everything instead of sticking to the spirit of those games. Since Diablo essentially takes the mechanics from tabletop D&D games, but has a purely combat-focused approach (compared to other CRPGs with more roleplaying like Planescape or Baldur's Gate), it's a natural fit to carry over the description for that style of game from the tabletop days. The whole point of the phrase "hack and slash" is to imply that it's a mindless act of repetitive violence, which completely goes against the spirit of games like DMC which are all about the technicality and style of the action.

>>380696863
Wtf did I just watch....

Looks like a casual fun beat 'em up game

>>380696525
It's a Japanese term that's existed since the Famicom.

and when you grow up you can play God of War
INB4 muh square square triangle on normal mode

>>380683936
YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS: DOOM IS A SHOOTEMUP BECAUSE YOU SHOOT THINGS UP IN IT

>>380691010
except dmc is all about the combat, when combat occur, its the best of the best. bayo doesnt like you playing the game for thecombat

>>380696714
Retards who think dancing in the air like a fairy beating on sandbags is more important than killing things efficiently and having a moveset designed around that. They'll argue using an arbitrary sequences of attacks on an enemy for 'style' (in games without hitstun decay or damage scaling) is better than killing that enemy faster with a safer, easier to execute, less resource intensive, more consistent tactic. Some will go so far as to claim fighting efficiently is for scrubs and bad form, while generally shying away from challenge runs beyond getting the highest rank on vanilla settings (usually a joke). They also tend to ignore the best way to get style/combo points (the metric by which these games measure 'style') is spamming a few exploitable attacks over and over, as opposed to mixing attacks up.

DMC4 catered to these idiots and being the last proper DMC game warped perception of what the series was (efficiency focused in DMC1 and a balance of efficiency and style in 3).

>>380694286
>The dodge window is so great that you'd have to be retarded to get hit by anything
stop with this shit bait.

>>380691314
this, the people who shit on the sigma games i think have autism

>>380696714
Someone who values needlessly impressive ways to dispatch enemies that take considerably less effort than they prefer, in a way they deem appropriate.

>>380691314
Sigma 2 also had the good sense to cut out the worst parts of vanilla 2 that make it an absolute nightmare to go back to, but the lowered enemy count really is a shame.

>>380697454
>except dmc is all about the combat
So is Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden, Wonderful 101, etc. All these games have stupid shit slapped in them that's tolerated for the sake of the combat.

>>380697320
>I'm so full of shit OMG
Sure.

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>>380697443
It's arena isn't?

You pick up power-ups.....

>>380696714

not exactly a combo fag but more of a score fag.
i'm the person that never uses items or continues and don't go into over the top combos unless i feel like it.
i barely managed a bayo pure platinum run since restarting the game at a single just platinum medal is a bigger chore than getting the pure platinum, what a fucking gay way of retrying a battle.

but to explain combofags, ego....

>>380697490
Efficiency didn't mean jack shit. DMC1 has aged fucking terribly and is an awful game, Shinobi PS2 and NGB clearly did the whole 'efficiency based action' thing better.

DMC3's flashy style is the only thing that saved the series and the genre from totally vanishing into God of War garbage.

>>380693946
the skill ceiling in dmc3 and 4 is so high it basically doesnt exist. Thats why people love dmc. stuff like this or doing vergil 3 without ever touching the ground are incredible feats because its damn near impossible to do

>>380697490
>>380697640
t. can't into combofagging
>>380697973
>DMC3's flashy style is the only thing that saved the series and the genre from totally vanishing into God of War garbage
wat

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>>380698205

what is that?

>>380697685
except all platinum games have a fetish for interrupting the combat for "muh spectacle" dmc never wastes time with that shit

>>380697973
>Efficiency didn't mean jack shit.
Try Special Bonusing M3 or M22 without playing efficiently. See how far you get. DMC1 certainly wasn't about style (which barely showed up or influenced rank).

>DMC1 has aged fucking terribly and is an awful game
Incredible. Combofags are willing to shit on their own series for the sake of their arbitrary attack sequences.

>DMC3's flashy style is the only thing that saved the series
>he actually believes comboshit is the only draw of DMC3
Yeah, not like it doesn't still have one of the larger and better movesets of the genre, good difficulty that's also fair, and enemies that were fun to fight that worked in the context of the game.

>from totally vanishing into God of War garbage.
You don't know the first thing about playing GoW well. Prove me wrong.

>>380698553
you press square square triangle and you block
wow god of war is so hard.

>>380698552
>dmc never wastes time with that shit
"I'll take who is Nero for 500 Alex".

>>380695597
I LOVE IT

>>380698205
Needlessly flashy

>>380698515
What is what?

>>380697973
>DMC1 has aged fucking terribly and is an awful game
Full retard.

>>380698189
>t. can't into combofagging
If this is all you got, then the two explanations given were spot-on.

>>380698760

those bars at the bottom left

>>380698553
>>380698798
>thinking DMC1 has aged remotely well
incredibly muddy and dark visuals, JUMPING WITH FUCKING TRIANGLE AND ATTACKING WITH CIRCLE, no real time weapon switching, incredibly clunky gameplay.

It's as much of a fossil today as Rising Zan was 10 years ago.

>>380698798
>If this is all you got, then the two explanations given were spot-on.

t. uses items and is satisfied with an A rank
dude why you even participate in these threads if you are literally just talking trash and praising muh efficiency? people having fun with a game isn't allowed or something?
if you are an efficiency fag just get a job and leave video games to people who actually have fun with them.
tho you really sound like a fag that tried and failed in being non efficient guy.

>>380698552
DMC4 did this the most of every entry with shitty weapons like Pandora and Gilgamesh taking eons to perform their combos effectively, which is why they're almost never used in any kind of high-end play.

Nero as a character was made entirely for the casual player to feel like they're doing well.

>>380698685
>Plume spam
As expected, you are a know nothing casual too afraid and stupid to move out of your comfort zone. Rest assured, higher level GoW2 play has many more worthwhile and interesting offensive options than DMC4.

>wow god of war is so hard.
Then by all means, give the clones a go in GoW1 without upgrades on Very Hard. I'm sure you'll make short work of them and not run into the nastiest wall you've ever come across in the genre.

>>380680953
>Bayonetta and MGR are both better desu.

Newer doesn't equate to better. MGR and Bayo both have DIal-a-combos. In DMC4 you can access all your moves whenever you want DMC3 there is even more depth, especially if you use the style switcher mod.

>>380699028
>grafix
Who cares.

>remapped controls
Also who cares.

>no real time weapon switching
Like Ninja Gaiden.

>incredibly clunky gameplay
Nice opinion you got there. The only mildly clunky/frustrating part of DMC1 is the life system, and that has nothing to do with core gameplay.

>>380699456
>MGR and Bayo both have DIal-a-combos
So does DMC3 and 4.

>>380699135
This is exactly the kind of triggered response I expected, bravo.

>>380699135
>dude why you even participate in these threads if you are literally just talking trash and praising muh efficiency?
The point of weapons is to kill things. Being able to style is nice, but when weapons start to largely abandon efficiency in favor of style, something has gone very wrong.

>>380694802
>It's another faggot didn't play NG3 and doesn't even know about Razor's Edge episode

>>380680953
DMC4 had assy enemies and some awful levels
>dat jungle

It's such an uninspiried game

>>380699846

at least you got your (you), and are still a combolet.

>>380680953
Bayonetta is a poor man's DMC.

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Where the fuck was this thread hiding for the past 3 hours?

>>380680953
Because it is

>>380700181
No because Bayonetta isn't a sandbag sim.

>>380700079
Razor's Edge is better than both versions of 2 but it's still an awful game. NG is an awful series, Black was a FLUKE and I'm convinced cookieface has no fucking talent.

>tfw no new ps2 style shinobi

God hand is the peak of this genre, you may not like it but it is.

>>380682770
What systems do you have?

It really fucking sucks that PS3s are no longer made, are just as fucking expensive and buying a used one feels dodgy.

But you can try buying one of those refurbished ones, if you're lucky it should last you long enough to play the 3 games.

>>380700432
I'd be fine if Nightshade wasn't so much worse.

>>380680953
Shitnetta is legit garbage and MGR is good for everything BUT the combat (which is passable)

>>380700432
DELETE THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>380700505
>PS3s are no longer made
Wait they totally discontinued it?

>>380700279
You're right, it's a QTE sim.

>>380699719
>So does DMC3 and 4

Nope. Having to time the button presses of a single button is not a dial-a-combo system. This is the extent of memorization needed for DMC

hit hit hit
hit hit pause hit
hit hit pause hit hit
(in air) hit hit hit
(In air) hit hit pause hit

In Bayo and MGR you have two buttons so you end up with bloated movelists and half your good moves locked behind attack chains like

A B A B Pause A A A
A A A A B B B A B
A B A B A B A A A
A Pause A B B A B

>>380700335
>muh Black

Gee, how did i guess that you were one of these fucking autists. Fuck off. Why do you people even pretend you like Ninja Gaiden, just fucking say muh Black so no one wastes their time engaging you.

>>380700674
>Having to time the button presses of a single button is not a dial-a-combo system.
Yes it is. Dial a combo=strings. DMC has strings. And Bayonetta/MGR have directional inputs as well.

>>380700656
Yeah like a couple of weeks ago they announced the end of production.

Makes me fucking terrified to turn the thing on, especially with this fucking heat.

>>380700786
Not my fault Black is the only good NG.

>>380699928
It's not even about efficiency, it's about stupid shit like this >>380698205. Where the player is needlessly dashing around like a retard and jump-cancelling into nothing impressive.

Then you have retards like this >>380699135 that put this style of gameplay on a pedestal, like it's some impressive feat to needlessly jump cancel around a permanently staggered enemy or group of enemies, and slowly kill them. Then these same people take it a step further and decide that if you don't play in this style or like this style of play, you're somehow doing poorly at the game, and/or unskilled at it. This is despite the fact that this style has never been needed in a single entry of the series, even on the most difficult settings.

Yet these same faggots will look down on other action games, which have less convoluted input schemes and more impressive weapons, with better enemy variety and overall improved design, because it doesn't fit into their narrow view of what takes "skill". It's like they completely lack self-awareness of their ego over fucking nothing.

They are the cancer that prevents us from having a decent action game thread on this board.

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>>380701012
t. didn't play NGII

>>380691659
>>380688619
>>380680953
It's stylish-action. Action is a huge umbrella genre that encompassing everything from shmups to mario, character-action is a neogaf term and makes no sense.

>>380698732
That's the point.

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REMINDER TO ANYONE INTERESTED IN NINJA GAIDEN TO ONLY PLAY WITH THE JAPANESE DUB.

Trust me on this, the english dub for all 3 of those games is fucking awful while the JP one is awesome and everyone feels on character.

2 minutes 38 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wBfsld5nnc
1 minute 52 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKuNHFgg7Q

The rest of the videos can be ignored (haven't watched them). Couldn't find a decent audio comparison unfortunately. Very weird example, i know, but that line makes my penor twitch every time.

character action is a stupid fucking name

fuck tbfp

they're hack and slash games

>>380701012
It says fuck off right there in the post anon, just in case you missed it.

>>380700335
>Razor's Edge
>better than 2
What? I thought 2 was great.
Have only heard bad things about 3.

>>380701174
I did, it's fucking garbage and an insult to NGB.

>>380701172
Well said.

>>380701174
>all those i frames

I'd love to see someone play through NGII on Master ninja without abusing them all the time.

>>380700674
At the basest levels maybe.
High level play is constantly style switching to Trickster and TPing and into another style, into another weapon and back into a Trickster TP

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>>380701384
Then maybe you should fucking play Razor's Edge instead of being a fucking parrot. Have you considered this revolutionary corse of action?

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>>380700674
> Having to time the button presses of a single button is not a dial-a-combo system
wrong

it literally is

not to mention Bayo has paused inputs as well


> In Bayo you have two buttons so you end up with bloated movelists and half your good moves locked behind attack chains like
There is only one (1, uno) Bayo move from attack string that you can't do via special command input

It generally helps to actually play games you pretend to have knowledge bout

>>380700825

The equiped devils arms (regular attack) and the style button function independently of one another unlike in Bayo and MGR where you have two buttons that seamlessly chain into each other. This means that DMC has fewer and shorter strings than Bayo and MGR. A regular person can easily master all of Dantes moveset whereas only a complete autist would bother to learn all of Bayo strings. Bayo is a shit game because it actively encourages mashing and simply dodging away when you're about to get hit.

>>380697490
>>380697640
>>380697961
What if I'm someone who enjoys both?

>>380701615
Sorry for trying to discuss videogames on /v/, cropped porn-kun

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>>380701531
They can't because NG2 on Master Ninja is shit. Sigma 2 is MUCH better but it has it's own different problems

>>380701724
Are you new? Taking /v/'s opinions on video gamed as the fucking gospel is what got you in this situation. Don't fall for the echo chamber.

>>380701715
Long as you're not shilling combos and putting them over/acting like efficiency doesn't matter you're not a combofag.

>>380682538
>You'll never BTFO someone so hard you travel to a different dimension

Efficiency is gay and is why Vanquish is a shitty game.

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>>380701703
>Bayo is a shit game because it actively encourages mashing
And DMC doesn't? Unless you're playing on higher difficulties both games can be mashed through pretty effortlessly you would only run intro trouble with the Jeanne and Vergil fights respectively.

>>380685715
Almost missed this.

IGNORE ALL XBOT AND BLACK AUTISTS

Go play Sigma 1, Sigma 2 and Razor's Edge. You won't regret it.

K, I've got a ps3 and sigma 1 and 2.

Those good enough to get into the series,or..? Should I pick up black?

I love DMC and Bayo

>>380700887
Fucking shit. It's crazy to think it's done and over with. I don't want mine to die. Ever.

>>380701839
I dont have a clue what you're talking about. I've only played vanilla 1 and 2 and the demo for vanilla 3 on 360. None of the rereleases/special versions.

I wanted to hear why 3/RE was good because it was universally panned.

>>380701748
I don't understand why people love Ninja Gaiden so much.

It has a lot of archaic problems and the game never feels like it will let me play the way I want to. It feels more like a puzzle game where I have to figure out the right i frame move to use on a specific enemy.

Like I'm not sure how someone would beat NGB without using Flying swallow.

>>380701703
>This means that DMC has fewer and shorter strings than Bayo and MGR.
But still has strings, which is still dial-a-combo.

>A regular person can easily master all of Dantes moveset
Jump canceling, RG, distorting, just framing Gilgamesh charged attacks, and getting stuff like Ultimate Tempest to come out are all harder to learn and perform than Bayonetta's strings.

>Bayo is bad because I'm too lazy to try out all her attacks in practice mode
Ok.

>Bayo is a shit game because it actively encourages mashing and simply dodging away when you're about to get hit.
You can say the exact same thing about DMC. Even moreso because of shit like Spiral RG canceling.

>>380702232
It's a good game but the camera is super frustrating

>>380702024

>Bloated movelist of visually similar strings
>witch time dodge slows down enemies so you can mash even more safely.

Bayo is easily the mashiest game.

>>380702232
DMC4 is my favorite game of all time.

That being said, I really enjoy Ninja Gaiden because it's just fast. Not a fan of the shitty puzzles tho. That's probably why I never beat Sigma 1, I got lost in some town and have no clue where to go so I stopped playing.

>>380681329
MGR was my first hack and slash and I didnt get much enjoyment

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>>380702232
>I don't understand why people love Ninja Gaiden so much.
Because the games are fun.

>>380701748
>boss grapple is a multihit attack
>survives the first hit
Huh. Weird.

I dont understand difficulty scaling where the damage values just go up 300%.
Seems like a chore to play at that point.

>>380702368
Only certain moves activate Witch Time and the game isn't even designed around Witch Time, in fact on the highest difficulty it is disabled entirely except for certain Alfheims.
How is that a problem, are you not good enough for Infinite Climax?

>>380701748
Vanilla is far better than Sigma 2 in most respects but having dumb puzzles.

>>380702232
>I don't understand why people love Ninja Gaiden so much.
2 has the best movesets in the genre and the enemies are competent.

>the game never feels like it will let me play the way I want to.
>some moves are better against some enemies than others
Imagine that.

>Like I'm not sure how someone would beat NGB without using Flying swallow.
FS is awful in Black.

Character action games can be very different.

DMC and Bayonetta are fairly similar.

Ninja Gaiden is very different than both of them.

MGR is sort of an in between.

Neir automata is an action rpg, but it's close.

This isn't a contest, though. I'm just sad MGR will never get a sequel. What Platinum did in such a short time could have really become great with a sequel effort.

>>380683857
Musou is boring. Sengoku Basara at least tries a little.

>>380701970
Just because God Hard spanked you doesn't make it a bad game.

>>380702679
>DMC and Bayonetta are fairly similar.
No they aren't.

>>380683857
Boooring...

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>>380702078
You are set.

You got the best versions of both games and don't let anyone tell you otherwise because they either have nostalgia goggles or are full of shit.
Get Razor's Edge as well, vanilla 3 is ABSOLUTELY NOT acceptable substitute.

Black is 100% redundant next to Sigma, it's the same game but with worse graphics and less content. Don't fall for the "it's harder" meme also, it only has less save points which means it actually has worse game design AND they actually buffed some enemies in Sigma

Sigma 2 has some substantial changes from regular 2 but they are for the most part for the better. It has even more content disparity this time and better graphics as well. It has less enemies on the screen at all time but that is a good thing because in 2 more enemies only means more projectile spam which means doing nothing but spamming invincible frame moves. It also cut the 2 worst filler bosses of the whole franchise and replaced them with an actual unique fun boss. The only bad things about Sigma 2 are the toned down gore and the enemy grab damage on Master Ninja mode, but i would take that over projectile spam any day.

>>380702912
kek

>>380702078
Never played the sigma versions but Black is god tier
Definitely give it a play

>>380702228
3 is NOT good. RE IS good, they are night and day, completel mechanic overhaul and added a shit ton of content. It's not a DMC4 Special Edition situation.

I'm not about to go over all the details of the game anon. It's Ninja Gaiden, it's good.

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>>380702679
Am I the only one who kind of hates MGR for not being the game it was planned to be originally?
>Raiden as a cyborg in failing health like Grey Fox was
>more MGS than character action
>robotic enemies were depicted as very threatening, not just a big guy to beat on
That always soured the experience for me.

>>380682986

There's at least 6 different jumps which are QTEs, not counting boss fights.

>>380701324
ah yes, because retards like them were smart enough to come up with that term.

>>380702323
I don't think it's a bad game. I just don't think it is as good as everyone thinks. Or why even compare it to DMC/Bayo. They play completely different.

>>380702565
Ninja Gaiden to me doesn't have anything as unique or interesting to use as something like Lucifer or Nevan. Most of NG's weapons are just swords.

>>380702912
>projectile spam

This is such a serious problem and you are the first person I've ever seen mention it on this site. Why does no one else seem to recognize this as a huge problem? It's part of the reason I never feel like I can use the moves I want to. If I use anything but non stop i frame move/UT's I get shredded.

>>380703116
I like the MGR we got, but I would have loved to play Metal Gear Solid Rising. Too bad they literally couldn't make a game out of it.

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>>380703116

>>380702461
Sigma 2 on Master Ninja IS a chore to play, so was original 2 to be honest. But Master Ninja is not the whole game. It's bad game design and i don't know why they did it, it's not the same for Sigma 1 or Razor's Edge.

""""Fun"""" fact, Elizabeth can actually kill you twice in the same grab if you have Rebirth Talisman

>>380702232
You just sound so awful at these games that i don't even know where to start. I mean it.

>>380703116
Replace Raiden with Gray Fox and I'd like it

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>>380703410
I don't buy that. I think it was just the makings of Konami being fed up with Kojima's projects being massive money sinks.

I though the writing was pretty bad too.
Turned Raiden at the end of 4's arc into a Shonen anime guy.

is there a guide to getting DMC3 to run on PC without being at the shitty 1000x500 awful resolution limitation?

I tried putting the thing you're supposed to along with dinput to use a gamepad and this fucking shit doesn't work for me

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>>380702145
Me neither. Hold me anon :(

Is it safe to say that DMC 3 and 4 are two of the best action games?

>>380702323
My favorite meme

>>380702078
>Should I pick up black?
Yeah you should

>>380703908
Absolutely

Bayonetta plays like god of war with less qtes

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>ywn fuck all of these MGR concepts

>>380680953
>Character Action
Stop trying to forced this shitty genre label. They're called "stylish action".

>>380703348
It's only a serious problem in vanilla 2 and honestly

>Most of NG's weapons are just swords

You sound like a massive lying faggot with an agenda.

>>380703661
Then apparently Kojima would rather shit on his own team by saying they couldn't make a good game than just chalk it up to something vague like scheduling or budget conflicts.

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>>380703348
>Most of NG's weapons are just swords.

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>>380704090
>They're called "stylish action".
What happened to just calling them action games?

I'm still working out DMC4 and does anybody have a complete comprehensive guide on everything you can do with Trickster? Help a newbie out.

>>380694497
What's that? One of the Freesia games?

>>380703465
>can kill you twice in the same grab
Jesus

>>380696863
nice aspect ratio faggot

>>380704194
Sounds like typical corporate PR, yeah.

After what happened immediately after with GZ/TPP/V and Silent Hills, I buy it.

am I the only one who feels like Bayonetta's move system is too complicated to learn in a reasonable amount of time, while DMC makes perfect sense as each move is tied to a specific input?

>>380703612
I enjoyed the game for the most part. But Ninja Gaiden has bad design.

The final boss if you fail him requires you to redo a platforming section with awkward cameras EVERY TIME.

Bosses on harder difficulties will spawn in adds/mobs/whatever you want to call extra enemies.

If you kill enemies next to a save point, save after they're dead, and die, they will respawn right next to the save point.

Enemies will spawn in thin air, and you can watch them do so, and if you go to far they will despawn then respawn with full health unless you kill them.

>>380703925
Explain why the camera is good. You either have to run towards an enemy making you vulnerable to getting hit so you can press L1 to make it face Ryu, or you have to take your thumb off the face buttons to use the analog. Unless you want me to claw. In fact, there's a boss in 2 where the developers realize the camera is dumb and that you should have a lock on for the fight.


>>380704131
>>380704272
Well for instance in Ninja Gaiden Sigma there are 12 weapons. 11 if you don't count the spear gun, 10 if you don't count the blonde chick's hammer, 9 if you put together the nun chunks with the flail because if memory serves they literally replace them as an upgrade. There are 7 swords. 8 if you count the dual swords twice.

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>>380702078
Don't forget to use the Japanese dub!

>>380704879
>I enjoyed the game for the most part. But Ninja Gaiden has bad design.

Nothing is perfect

>The final boss if you fail him requires you to redo a platforming section with awkward cameras EVERY TIME.
>Dying to the final boss

Yeah, that's what happens when you spam FS like a faggot through all of the game instead of learning anything,

>Bosses on harder difficulties will spawn in adds/mobs/whatever you want to call extra enemies

It's not my favorite thing in the game and only happens in the first one but it's not a major problem either, in fact in a lot of bosses it makes them easier.

>If you kill enemies next to a save point, save after they're dead, and die, they will respawn right next to the save point.

So sorry you can't brute force your way through it

>Enemies will spawn in thin air, and you can watch them do so, and if you go to far they will despawn then respawn with full health unless you kill them.

Legitimate complaint. Only happens in the first game.

I'll go over you weapons bullshit in a different post.

>>380704081
Whoa that last thing looks like something out of Silent Hill

Since we have this thread up, what did you guys think of Viewtiful Joe? The first game holds up surprisingly well but I never bothered to finish 2.

>>380705783
Never played em unfortunately.

>>380705283
>Yeah, that's what happens when you spam FS like a faggot through all of the game instead of learning anything,

Whether or not a player is bad does not excuse bad design on the developer's part. Making you do an unskippable platforming section if you die is not good design.

>It's not my favorite thing

It's still bad design.

>So sorry you can't brute force your way through it

This isn't about brute force. You have already killed the enemies. In the first (and second I think) ninja gaiden save points only give you health the first time you use them. Them re spawning is just tedious. If you really want to brute force you could just farm the re spawning enemies to purchase consumables. That would be brute force.

>>380697117
If you havent played God Hand you are missing out.
>Unique camera perspective
>Custom movesets
>Flashy super moves
>Suplexes
>Deep combat
>Great OST
Best Shinji Mikami game, hands down.

>>380705783
In my opinion VJ1 is better than 2
The second one is great anyways, and the DS one is interesting enough

>>380706081
>Unique camera perspective
that makes most of the combat arena blind to you

off screen attacks are so bad -- designed was forced to put a radar instead of rethinking the perspective

off screen attacks' sound effects not working make it even worse still

>Custom movesets
with just one string to customize and nearly half of the moves just being damage ugprades over the each other

>Suplexes
literally QTE

>>380693753
my nigger

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>>380705783
2 kinda fucked over alternate characters with cosntant Joe and Silvia tag system

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>>380704879
So let's see, it's time for some DMC vs NG weapon variety piss contest. For brevity's sake i'll use the versions of each game with the most weapons and I'll skip the ones with copy pasted movesets AND the ranged weapons. Don't blame me for this:

SPOILERS AHEAD

DMC1:

>A sword
>Gauntlets
>A different sword that looks like shit but has cool as fuck transformations but also that you won't use because it has no Devil Trigger

DMC2:

>A sword
>Two daggers
>Fuck if i Remember

DMC3:

>A sword
>Dual swords
>Gauntlets and sabatons
>A key ring you use as nunchaku
>A guitar...
>1 Kat
>1 Kat n Sord

DMC4:

>A sword
>Another sword
>Armor suit (melee stuff)
>A rocket launcher
>Roses/Spike things
>1 Kat
>1 Kat n Sword
>Transformer sword from DMC1

SIGMA 1:

>1 Kat
>2 Kat
>Chinese Quarter Staff
>Kama Nunchaku
>War Hammer
>Boomerang 1 Kat that also sometimes is 2 Kat
>Giant Sword
>Giant Wood Paddle

SIGMA 2:

>1 Kat
>2 Kat
>Claws and Talons
>Chinese Quarterstaff
>Kama Nunchaku
>Kusarigama
>Giant Scythe
>Tonfas
>Giant Sword
>Dual Kodashi
>War Hammer
>Naginata

RAZOR'S EDGE

>1 Kat
>2 Kat
>Claws and Talons
>Kusarigama
>Giant Scythe
>Chinese Quarterstaff
>Dual Kodashi
>Wakizashi
>Naginata


Supreme DMC weapon variety my dude

>>380706009
>Whether or not a player is bad does not excuse bad design on the developer's part. Making you do an unskippable platforming section if you die is not good design.

It is. It was also very common design back then.

>It's still bad design.

it literally isn't

>>380682538
Looks very Rain Blood Chronicles: Mirage

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>>380682538
>2D

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>Get told DMC is just a punching bag simulator with arbitrary flashiness.
>mfw I realize I've just been having artificial fun.
>I've just been mashing buttons on a controller all this time.
>Video games are ultimately pointless.
>It's all just a giant waste of time.

What the fuck do I do bros?

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I know you motherfuckers didn't just let me type all that shit out for this thread die now...

>>380707102
>DMC2
It has like 4 swords I actually think. But who's played DMC2?

>Sigma 1
You're missing the laser sword and Dark dragon blade. They're in the game. Even if they're a clone/mostly clone.

I can't say for the other extra weapons in 2/3 because it's late and I don't wanna look it up. Off your list there is 13 swords/sword weapons. It's like 45% of the weapons for the entire game. And it is much worse in NG1 which I remember most. It's not a majority but it still makes up most of the weapons in the games.

I'm not trying to say DMC is the godsend of weapon variety but there's nothing as unique as a guitar weapon or Lucifer in NG. Everything in NG (except for the scythes probably) is just Ryu using real weapons.

>>380707976
Viewtiful Joe is basically 2D. What's your issue friend?

>>380708118
I'm still here you cocksucker. I'm doing shit while talking to you.

>>380708023
I know you are being sarcastic but DMC3 (on release) literally made me drop the action genre when a similar kind of thought, minus the hyperbole, dawned on me mid playthrough.

>>380708158
>4 swords
That all have the same movelist. Even the minor overlap with Sparda/Force Edge/Alastor in DMC1 wasn't as egregious as DMC2

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>>380707102
>Calling Red Queen "another sword" but differentiating a katana and wakizashi
>leaving out all ranged weapons
>Devil Bringer isn't a weapon
>Vergil's Beowolf is the same as Dante's

>>380708158
The laser saber and the Dark Dragon Blade have copypasted movesets minus the UTs for the DDB. I did not include them for the same reason i didn't include Force Edge.

>I can't say for the other extra weapons in 2/3 because it's late and I don't wanna look it up. Off your list there is 13 swords/sword weapons. It's like 45% of the weapons for the entire game. And it is much worse in NG1 which I remember most. It's not a majority but it still makes up most of the weapons in the games.

What the fuck does this even mean? They don't have the same moveset nor do they look the same. What is your point? That DMC has less swords because it has less weapons?

>I'm not trying to say DMC is the godsend of weapon variety but there's nothing as unique as a guitar weapon or Lucifer in NG. Everything in NG (except for the scythes probably) is just Ryu using real weapons.

That's because a guitar as a weapon is fucking RETARDED and plays RETARDED. How many games can you list where you can use things like nunchaku, kusarigama, tonfas, chinese quarterstaff, scythe, naginata, shit even the swors you seem so bummed about, and they all look like something straight of a martial arts movie?

NG is literally this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhCHw0Ovqf4

The Game.

Every weapon is good, every weapon is fun, every weapon looks amazing. There are a ton to pick and you can pick anyone or every single one. The only "ehh" are the heavy weapons in the first game because they have a smaller moveset, unless it's Rachel using her War Hammer.

>Viewtiful Joe is basically 2D. What's your issue friend?

I haven't played it, but thanks for 3 (You)s in a row

>mgr
not with those shit controls
its unplayable

>Shinobi is dead
>Ninja Gaiden is dead
life is suffering

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>>380709175
>That's because a guitar as a weapon is fucking RETARDED and plays RETARDED.

>>380709546
Shinobi got a game on the 3DS
And it's good

>>380709589
Not him but Nevan is fucking trash, it's not fun in the slightest.

Rebellion + Cerberus is patrician.

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>every thread, there's a guy that tries to spark a DMC vs NG war
Pathetic, man. Both are equally dead.

>>380708951
>Calling Red Queen "another sword" but differentiating a katana and wakizashi

Yes because one is a sword and the other is a short sword or side sword. You wouldn't call them the same thing or use them the same way, but what would you call Red Queen when you call Rebellion a sword?

>leaving out all ranged weapons

Son, i just did DMC a favor by leaving out ranged weapons. You don't want to go that way.

>Devil Bringer isn't a weapon

It's not. At the most it's a side weapon which i would put under ranged ones for a lack of a better category (i know it's melee), what it really is is just a move set expander. That would be like me listing Dragon Sword and True Dragon Sword seperately or Dragon's Claw & Tiger's Fang and Blade of the Archefiend separately.

>Vergil's Beowolf is the same as Dante's

I honestly did not know how to word it so i omitted it. But fine, you can have it that way. it still shares the same graphics and effects though...but yes yes, different moveset.

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>>380709689
Nevan is literally the best weapon in the game man.

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>>380709787
>but what would you call Red Queen when you call Rebellion a sword?

A sharp motorcycle.

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>>380709840
Beowulf > Cerbeus > Rebellion > Agni and Rudra > Nevan

>>380709627
>shinobi3ds is good
don't lie to me, anon. I've seen the gameplay. I was hoping for something fastpaced like shinobi 3 (or super shinobi 2 for you weeaboos). I still play that and Revenge every other month.

>>380709175
>What the fuck does this even mean? They don't have the same moveset nor do they look the same. What is your point? That DMC has less swords because it has less weapons?

I'm just talking about variety in the weapon types. My point is Ninja gaiden is mostly swords. If we're going off movesets DMC has a lot going for it, because then we can include ranged weapons which have their own distinct style and movesets.

>That's because a guitar as a weapon is fucking RETARDED and plays RETARDED

The guitar is a cool weapon. It is unique and interesting. It allows you to fly, charge attacks, play rock songs that hurt enemies, shoot balls of lightning, or you can use it like a scythe/guitar thing if you so choose.

I think you might have a personal bias towards this sort of theme for an action game. Being Martial arts with weapons.

>Every weapon is good, every weapon is fun, every weapon looks amazing.

Same goes for DMC.

>>380709787
>leaving out ranged weapons
>leaving out rainstorm
>leaving out backwards shotguns blasts
>or nunchuck shotguns
>All of Pandora
>The summoned swords moveset

Also you haven't played Viewtiful Joe? Next you're gonna tell me you have played Godhand.

>>380690807
then play ninja gaiden if you want balance and challenge

>>380709710
>War

War is SoulsShit. These are more like the Zoolander gasoline fight.

>>380709963
Not him but Swap Cerberus for Rebellion and you've got yourself a deal

>>380709710
>>380710572
I only argue because I hate that there seems to be a lot of NG posters who have to brag about their game.

It's not perfect, it's not great. It's good. I accept that DMC has a lot of stupid shit that I don't like. I want others to accept the same about Ninja Gaiden's bad design.

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>tfw just re-downloaded DMC4:SE the other night
>tfw really want to go back to it and finally git gud
>tfw started playing SFV as well and I want to git gud at that and other fighting games, which is going to take up a lot of my vidya time
>somewhat afraid of losing my fightan skills from playing other types of games
>tfw also started playing like two other games
>also want to get to all the other CUHRAYZEE games I have, finally 100% them and start doing some combo video shit in them too
I HAVE SO MUCH SHIT TO DO HOLY SHIT WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GOOD GAMES TO PLAY

>>380680953
bayonetta is literally "PKP/PP-K and dodge the game"

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Is the PS3 version really bad enough to affect my enjoyment of the game?

>>380710871
Yes. But if you have no other option you should still play it.

>>380710815
Start by dropping SF5.

>>380710795
>it's not great

And then, inevitably, someone goes for a smoke.

>>380710815
>SFV

lol what?

Also don't fall into the fightan tourney fag pitfall. Plenty of fish in the sea, you don't get stuck eating nothing but tuna.

>>380710998
I'm scrubby as fuck and despite SFV's negative repetition, it's probably the most scrub-friendly fighter right now aside from maybe Injustice 2, which I'd like to buy, but I'm not made out of money so that's going to have to wait for later. Besides, I'm optimistic about SSFV.

But man, that feeling of conquering stuff you couldn't get past, whatever barriers that were stopping you from improving, whether it be a boss that used to kick your shit in before everything clicked and you realized how to take him down, even looking stylish while you do so, or trying to teach yourself some advanced tech, and actually being able to do it, is so fucking rewarding. That shit is most of the reason why I play video games anymore.

>>380711282
I've been wanting to hit up my local SF and Smash tournament scenes for awhile now. Nothing can stop me.

>>380682538
Seems interesting

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>>380710138
>it's a pretend gunslinger is good or fun episode

Is the DMC4 PC version good? I've never played one these games, is there much combo depth?

>>380711585
>It's a 'nu-/v/ is too casual for Gunslinger' episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkty6R0TBs4

>>380711585
>>380711674
In general, I've found that people who hate on Gunslinger tend to be scrubs who don't know shit about DMC3. It's actually probably one of the easiest and scrub-friendly Styles to use with some of the most OP moves in the game outside of Royal Guard .

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>>380711606
PC version is very good my man.

>>380695448
>Why would I want to, it is completely worthless and counterproductive.

You're playing these games for the entirely wrong reasons.

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>DmC gets a true (spiritual) before Devil May Cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KpJBao3Nc

I just got to Bayonetta and I have to say the enemy designs are incredible, especially all the larger ones.

>>380711958
>true (spiritual) sequel

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>>380712082

>>380711353
You should try out other fighters one day.

>>380711828
Is this some sort of rare condition where periods trigger split personalities?

>>380711674
>Mission 1
>Gunslinger

As if DMC3 in general wasn't enough to put me to sleep.

>>380694497
Sauce on game?

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>>380712220
>Mission 1

>>380712220
That's Mission 2.

>>380712292
Nigga what ever the fuck it was called in that game. The shit that happens after the cuhrayzee party ends. Or was that mission 2 already? I don't fucking remember.

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>>380712510

>>380712218
Oh, I will. I plan to. GGXrd is looking better and better for me, I plan on buying Pokken Tournament DX when that hits and when I eventually buy a Switch (played a bit of the original and really liked it, so), ARMs looks good, and I'm sort of interested in Tekken 7, mostly for Akuma and Eliza.

>>380712220
>Is this some sort of rare condition where periods trigger split personalities?
Literally what is this even supposed to mean?

Also,
>Mission 1

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>>380712587
Post more rare Kamiyas.

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Can we at least agree that DMC has absolute fucking shit tier waifus while NG is top tier?

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>>380713820
Only if we agree that God Hand has the best.

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>>380713937
We do not agee

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>>380714112
Well that's a shame.

>>380713820
NG is just your typical Dead or Alive waifu bullshit. Literally they're in DoA.

DMC has Lady.

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>>380714262
>NG is just your typical ode to femininity universally recognized as sex symbols bullshit.

>DMC has allegedly gender swapped baseball guy from Rival Schools.

Alright.

>>380714262
>implying her (Lady) backstory isn't typical animu shit

>>380714112
Momiji ___ a second best compared to Ayane

>>380714252
Silly anon, FFX-2 is not an action game.

>>380701970
Hard mode lets you do whatever the fuck you want, only parts of God Hard and Challenge 6 have high demands for efficiency. Also not really the same genre.

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Reminder that Nero's prototype costume is superior to his final design.

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>>380714619
I don't care about her backstory.

But I think we can all agree that regardless of NG or DMC we're both better than the waifu fags from DoA threads.

>>380714619
Momiji is literally tied with best girl >>380700190
anon.

>>380714773
It really is
I wish they added something like this for Dante

>>380714773
Did have a prototype personality as well? Because that's the only things that would redeem him.

>>380714827
What's best girl's name?

>>380714806
>see doa thread
>"oh boy can't wait to talk about one of my favorite franchises!"
>nothing but ERP shit, lewd posting, and "see this in your bedroom, what do?"
like pottery

>>380714827
>Kasumi
I'd choose Mila over her

>>380704090
>trying to forced
You do realize that there is life outside of 4chan and at this point character action game is normalized and accepted genre in video game discussion.

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>>380715138
Am i being memed right now?

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>>380714773
Disagree, but like, all of Trish's concepts ended up being better than her final design. Especially pic related.

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>>380715250
>>380714563
>>380714112
Stop posting pictures of my daughter

>>380715237
>I'd choose Mila over her

1- This isn't actually a DOA thread
2- You make me sick
3- At least it's not those who shall not be named

>>380715250
I've never played a NG game but want to her name, is there something wrong with that?