Metal Gear Solid 4

One of the worst sequels of all time. Completely ruins the story and characters of the previous Metal Gear games. Loses all gameplay by the end of Act 2.

Fuck it. Fuck anyone who defends it. Easily the absolutely worst Metal Gear game. In a shit tier of its own that no other game of the series can reach.

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>>380677134
MGO is back online tho

https://youtu.be/Rpo7YDMOIpk

>>380677527
I heard about this. This is cool. Wonder if they can get this shit working in the PS3 emulator?

>>380677290
You're acting like MGS3 had any gameplay beyond "crawl toward the next cutscene and shoot people with a tranq gun." that's all that happens in MGS between boss fights with some codec chat on the side.

>>380677614
Not only is this not true, even if it were, MGS 3 has a great story, something MGS 4 absolutely does not have.

Is there a worse game for newcomers in a franchise to start with than MGS4?

I hear about how much MGS4 shits on MGS2

How true is that?

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>>380677852
completely false. It's a shame the series was never able to reach the peak of 2 again

>>380677852
It depends how much you hated Raiden

>>380677971
>>380677852
I mean in terms of lore.
I heard it retconned shit

>>380678030

I forget how, but I'm pretty sure I remember hearing it retconned the game mostly being a simulation.

>people claiming MGS4 is good
>when it can be played with absolutely no stealth and still be piss easy
Suuuure.

>>380677852
Not just MGS 2. MGS 1 through 3 get shit all over.

>>380678463
just play it on the hardest mode

not even as a defense to the game, you're absolutely right, but when you die when you get caught the game is a lot more fun to think of as a puzzle

>>380678428

Oh I remember now. When Raiden's talking to Rose she references things as though they were actual events when they were supposed to be a simulation in MGS2. Pretty massive retcon.

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>>380677134
MGS4 is the ultimate mind fuck, remember it's a sequel to MGS2 in many ways. Best interpretation of the end mind-fuck I've come across is that last part after Snake puts the gun into his mouth the camera turns away, screen goes dark and then you hear a gun shot and the credits roll is actually Old Snake meeting Big Boss in Heaven after he'd killed himself becasue of Foxdie, hence why Big Boss coming out of nowhere seems so out of no where and wtf-like?

>>380677527
I tried logging in but it doesn't work, I thought this shit worked on regular non-modded PS3's?

>>380677134
I liked it. Making Snake old was fucking genius. The plot wasn't great, but I feel like a lot of the characters make up for it. The game was loads of fun, save for the abortion that Act 3 is. Going back to Shadow Moses was also great. It ends on a very "Snake can finally rest" note that MG2 seemed to setup. And in my opinion, it had the best final boss of any video game, ever.

>>380677134
Wrong

>>380678945

Raiden and Rose's relationship wasn't a simulation, but she was hired to be his girlfriend as part of his conditioning.

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>>380677134

>>380679864
No that was just what the A.I. version of "Rose" said to Raiden when GW had been compromised and was going haywire, The real Rose never appeared until the very last scenes of MGS2 after defeating Solidus.

>>380677971
they didn't want to go back to strut f warehouse to get it again.

>>380680124
The last boss fight was pretty good even if the context behind it was retarded.

It's amazing how 4 can take characters your cared and connected with in 1,2, and 3 and make you feel completely apathetic toward their lives

>>380680481

You stupid nigger, I'm talking about before the events of the game. The reason AI Rose was used is to trigger his memories of the realrelationship and force him into taking specific courses of action on Big Shell.

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How did they make Old Snake hotter than Snake?

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What did Kojima mean by this?

>>380681626
fake deep, probably some christian reference

>>380680795
A matter of perspective, to me it was heart wrenching because it was in many ways a logical conclusion to the series which flew in the face of what I imagined Snake's future would be like, and real life is exactly that way.

Snake tried to get rid of Metal Gears, but in the end he failed and Metal Gears were even mass produced. Snake had grown so old and tired that at one point he just felt defeated. But in the end his and everyone's salvation only came to fruition by hiding and tricking everyone under hundreds of layers of deception and misdirection so hard that even the A.I. was fooled into destroying itself in some ways.

>>380681626
It looks some of kind of weird Resident Evil-esque puzzle.

>>380680905
How did you arrive to that conclusion? The events before MGS2 are only touched upon by the A.I. Rose from what I remember.

>>380681626
The Snakes are clones

>>380680795
A lot of fights in MGS didn't really have a good reason behind them. Kojima is kind of a bad writer.
Gray Fox fist fight #1, Gray Fox fist fight #2, vs Liquid (okay maybe a little hatred), to a lesser extent The Boss, and finally vs Liquid Ocelot.
Was gonna say Raiden but then I remember Solidus killed Raiden's parents.

>>380677134
MGS4 >>>>> MGSV

fite me

>>380683425
You are everything that is wrong with MGS fans

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>yfw a metal gear rex vs ray mecha fight

>>380683120
Remember that MGS1, all of it was a ruse, Frank Yagger was a rogue wildcard unlike everyone else on the board, he tried to break through to Snake by challenging him and testing his worth but his transhumanism was fucking with him on a deep physical level so his phychotic episodes kept him lurking in the shadows until that fight with Rex.

Liquid Snake wanted to kill Solid Snake becasue he thought he was genetically inferior to him (it was the opposite) and becasue Snake killed Big Boss and took his revenge away from Liquid.

The Boss and Naked Snake's relationship transcended love into something far deeper, it was out of like deep bonding that they respected each other enough to play out their chosen roles.

Liquid vs Ocelot was a combination of Liquid Snakes personality being hypnotically grafted ontop of Ocelot's, on purpose by Ocelot, and then after Old Snake punches the shit out of Liquid Ocelot's face in like phase four of the final Boss fight, Ocelot discards his Liquid alter-personality and reverts back to being Revolver Ocelot, hence the "you're pretty good".

>>380683425
You are correct and only faggots will say otherwise.

I've been playing MGSV for the past few days, just got to Africa a few missions ago. The gameplay is fun, but there isn't really a whole lot keeping me interested in terms of narrative like previous MGS games. Almost every missions is
>go here
>extract or blow something up
>leave
The timeline feels more fucked up than ever, and everything feels too serious for a Metal Gear game. Open world was a mistake, as there's nothing to do outside of missions.

>>380679664
fuck that act 3 was a cool environment and everyone wanted to see what Snake looked like on next gen console

>>380683694
Yeah, because "open map" and "gotta catch'em all" mentality of 5 was so good, right?

At least 4 was a finished product, fuck off.

>>380681626
Sheeps were the first things successfully cloned. 2 sheeps = Solid and Liquid. 1 sheep = Solidus.

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>>380677134
But anon...

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>>380685535
In that interview Kojima absolutely hit the nail on the head when he said that Videogames are sort of like food, Kojima the chef and makes games based first on the rules of the game then the execution and lastly the plot, in the same way a chef makes your favorite food and you keep going to that restaurant becasue you know you'll like the way that chef make that food.

I think MGSV strays too far from what made the previous 4 so charming. V is still worth playing and really aesome mechanically speaking but I prefer actual stages and level design and old school MGS style cut-scenes with easter eggs and such.

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Alone sure. But with MGO it was the best MGS game.

It's definitely my least favorite.
2 > 3 > 1 > 5 > PW > 4

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>>380687560
>PW > 4
How? Both PW's gameplay and story is shittier in every way.

>Be Kojima
>Create iconic series with convoluted plots, character arcs and insane plot twist endings
>Don't resolve plot threads
>Have to make MGS4 a massive info dump to explain the canon
>"B-but guys I just wanna move on from MGS"
What did he mean by this?
>MGS should have ended in Alaska desu (with MGS3 as a prequel)
>>380682064
But wasn't it all a part of Liquid Ocelot's keikaku, though?

It's a scam, plain and simple, still have it on my PS3 HDD, I think I played 'bout 3 hours and then got bored and disappointed like the first 2 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds before that...not worth it even at 15$, what a fucking scam

>>380687812
It worked well as a portable game, especially the co-op missions.

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>>380687879
Yes, I mangled it but tried to impy that

>MGS should have ended in Alaska

The Legacy brought out some of his best work.

3>4>1>2=5>PW

2 and 5 can never be better than 1, 3, or 4 because you're not playing as Snake/Big Boss. PW shouldn't exist.

>>380687560
3 > 2 > 1 > PW > 4 > 5

>>380687560
1=2=3>4>5>PW

>>380687560
3 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 4

I never actually played PW

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>>380688672
>>380688829
>>380688891

1=2=3=4>5>PW>your mom

>>380688596
True at least we got some nice memes

Uu

>>380680481
the ai rose only appeared midway through the game. before that, it was the real rosemary

>>380677852
Literally one of the lines Snake says in 4 was that everything that they learned in Big Shell was pointless and meaningless.

>>380677134
I think what little game there actually is showed much more potential than MGSV. Sneaking through war zones was fun and it had similar excellent controls while still feeling like you were playing a Metal Gear game.
Of course it's totally fucked as a total package because the cutscenes are an exercise in trying to keep your eyes open, but I still appreciate the game.

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>>380687879
>Don't resolve plot threads

2 wasn't meant to be resolved.

>Have to make MGS4 a massive info dump to explain the canon

Because fans and executives kept asking for it.

>"B-but guys I just wanna move on from MGS"

Precisely. MGS3 was another b-team project that went bad (think MGS:R) that Kojima was coerced into salvaging.

>>380691704
they say essentially that at the end of mgs2 also

>>380685582
I agree 4 was better but I think there's still clearly cut content, Chapter 3 uses like 1/4 of its map for the one non-rail shooter segment and Chapter 5 is literally only one short sneaking segment and two boss fights.

>>380677134
The only MG game I've played and never had a desire to go back and replay. The graphics and UI and everything just left a horrible taste in my mouth and the story felt like it was ripped straight from Fanfiction.net

>>380684392
Too anime for my tastes. Served as a sad reminder that I was playing gook shit.

>>380677134

I think metal gear solid 2 tanker intro has the ebst atmosphere of any stealth espionage games. Everything past that is trash.
Metalgear solid 3 has probably the best story that is pretty straight forward but still deep enough to be invested.
Metal gear acid has the best gameplay out of all the gears. Metal gear 4 online looks nice but the story is boring lore dump.
Whatever the fuck metal gear 5 was. Interesting gta skin pack, ground yeroes was cool tho.
Never bothered with mgs1, too dry for my tastes.

6/10 series.

Other entries might as well not exist.

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>>380693685
>Metal gear acid has the best gameplay out of all the gears.
You mean Ac!d 2 right? RIGHT?

Is it just me or is too much of the creative writing/ dialogue just a rehash of earlier games
>"You're pretty good"
>Johnny
>Variations of keeping someone waiting
>"Metal ... gear?"
Revisiting Shadow Moses gets a pass though

>>380693832

Fuck off with your cellshaded dogpiss.
MGA shits all over it at least in the graphical department. Gameplaywise its a good puzzle game solveable in many different ways and incorporating the rng element quite nicely.

>>380694228
I'm just talking about pure gameplay man, MGA2 really refined the formula and was much more fun in that sense. I beat it like five times.
The story was way weaker though, the first game had this awesome 'down the rabbit hole' sort of journey.

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MGS4 was the best game in the series.

If you think MGS2 and MGS are in the top 5 you are a super retard.

MGS4>MGS1>MGSPW>MGS5>MGS PO> all other mgs