Best 2D Metroid coming through

How much longer do you think until we get Metroid 5 or they recon fusion?

>>380664732
That's literally the worst one

>>380664732
Close enough, but that's not AM2R.

Fusion is good, but the weakest 2D metroid.

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Dunno if the best, but anyone saying it doesn't have the best boss fights in the series is just fooling themselves.

>>380664732
That's not zero mission

>>380664957
I tip my hat to you, sir

If you genuinely don't like Metroid as a series, sure.

Otherwise you're a troll.

>>380664957
Cry more faggot, we have an actual good version coming.

Fuck off ACfag, no one likes you.

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>>380664732
>>380664947
>>380664957
>>380665120

but didnt you know?
dobson has the truth for you

>>380664732
Super > Fusion > Return of Samus > Zero Mission > Metroid

Personally I prefer Fusion but Super is on a technical level better. Plus Super's Beam customisation actually had worth unlike Zero Mission's.

The best part of Zero Mission was the stealth section, the main game bored the shit out of me.

>>380664732
Fusion fucking sucks.

>no sequence breaking
>wall jumping nerfed to shit
>AI companion is literally Fi tier

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>>380664732
>no more iconic power suit
>all metroids are dead
>plot points to a samus vs federation story nobody wants

This game killed any hype for a sequel after it.

It's fun. I beat it once a year. I wish Nintendo did 1 2d Metroid and 1 3d Metroid every other year or so. So it'd be Game, Game/DLC, DLC/DLC, Game/DLC, Game/DLC, DLC/DLC etc

>>380664957
Is some YouTube lightsaber battle the best Star Wars movie according to you too?

>>380665379

Worst tatse I've ever seen in Metroid series

>>380665379
I refuse to believe that Dobby isn't just an elaborate ruse. How can somebody have such shit opinions?

>AM2R getting shit on

I guess Nintendo shills really do post on /v/.

>>380665676
It's Dobson. I was honestly expecting worse, like Super at the bottom.

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Jesus Christ, no.

>>380664732
nah, zero mission is best metroid game, period.

>>380665782
>start the game with missiles and the climbing ability
>get the spider ball like 10 minutes in

Sure is great.

>>380665379
anybody who reads that just assumes he's attention whoring/trolling

>>380665379
I don't understand why he has such a hate boner for Prime. When Prime 4 was announced, he tweeted "Fuck no..." and when Samus Returns was announced, he was all like "YES! FUCK PRIME!"

>>380666000
those are not bad you know

>>380666000
N-Nani!?
I guess I have to agree with you now.

Objective top:

1- Prime/Super (ex aequo)
2- Echoes
3- Zero Mission
4- Return of Samus
5- Corruption
6- Metroid
7- Fusion
8- Hunters
9- Federation Force
10- Other M

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>>380665379
>Metroid hunters > Metroid prime

>>380665861
I won't say La Mulana is bad, because it's not, but in the same league as Super Metroid and SotN?

Come on man. La Mulana is way too fucking frustrating and complicated to be enjoyable. If you enjoy spending weeks of your life making complicated graphs and having 36 notebooks full of notes to make it through the game or cheating and looking at a guide like everyone who beat this game, then I guess you could consider this god tier, but really it's just a good game that is way too fucking hard.

>>380664732
Not really, but I will always love the atmosphere and the boss fights. Fuck, the boss fights were great.

Fuck Yakuza

>>380664851
Depends how successful SR turns out to be.
Not earlier than 3 years anyway.

>>380666297
Explain to me how Zero Mission is good, I really don't understand it.

>>380666297
So, Pinball is actually good?

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>>380665306
>we have an actual good version coming

>He doesn't know that game is being developed by mercury steam, the studio that killed castlevania

>>380666542
If you like pinball and Metroid, there's nothing to dislike about it.

>>380666507
I can't speak for that guy, but I like Metroid Zero Mission because it's probably the most nonlinear entry in the entire series, with all of the secret pathways.

>>380665452
Samus vs GF sounds like it could be pulled off very well though.

Super >> Zero Mission >>>> Fusion

>>380664957
>AM2R better than anything but the original 2

>>380666959
Not that anon but I hate the idea of Samus vs the Federation. The only way they could make it interesting for me is if the retcon it so that the Federation that was cloning Metroids to make illegal bioweapons is actually just a small segment of the Federation who eventually branches off and becomes their own organization. Meanwhile the Federation Army fights on Samus's side. It just makes no sense to me that the ENTIRE Galactic Federation is secretly the Weyland-Yutani corporation.

>>380666000

Wow it's almost like Metroid II.

>>380667564
And surprise surprise, no one fucking liked Metroid 2. What a shock.

>>380665861
What's the difference between Zero Mission and Fusion?

>>380667682
I-I liked it... A little bit...

Best? Matter of opinion.

Amazing?
You betcha.

>>380667682
I really liked it

What's the best snes emulator? I wanna play Super Metroid with my XBone controller.

Also I want to install sex mods. Thanks.

>>380667709
>ZM gives the player tons of freedom by design.
>no dialog

>>380667682
It was fun. Admittedly, it was many, many years ago, but I remember it to be fun nonetheless.

Someone please redpill me on what the first Metroid game was like which one

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>MFW The many hours I've played this game on long car rides or during my sisters soccer or basketball games.

>>380667709
Zero is a remake of the first one with new content and sequence breaking out the ass. Fusion is the sequel to Super Metroid with very limited freedom, a lot of dialogue and good combat and atmosphere.

>nonlineraity is automatically good

The Metroid series is mostly linear.

The Prime series is mostly linear, Metroid 2 is linear, Fusion is linear, Other M is linear, Hunters is linear.

The only two that aren't that linearity are the original/Zero mission and Super.

>>380664732
I love this game, and I'm a Superfag. Niggas just need to accept that it's not Super 2.

>>380668256
>The only two that aren't that linearity are the most praised ones

>>380668404
>Prime 1
>not part of the most praised crew

come on now.

>>380667267
I thought it was implied that it was a small branch doing the experiments? It's been a few years since I replayed Fusion though.

OBJECTIVE RATING OF THE PRIME SERIES


Prime 1 = Prime 2 > Prime 3

>>380668708
I can agree with this.

>>380668631
Prime 1 was a lot less linear than most of the other entries you grouped it with.

>>380668675
Pretty sure that it wasn't elaborated upon.

>>380668256
Non-linearity is automatically good, yes. It gives tons of replay value to a game and gives the player many options as to how they'll beat the game: giving the player options and—more importantly—room to be creative is always good. It also encourages the player to learn and exploit more advanced techniques, specially in the case of Super.

So yes non-linearity is great.

>>380668631

That's also very nonlinear. Even if you're a palcuck it's less linear than, say, AM2R.

>>380664732
Nah, but it was still fun though. I liked the SA-X bits.

>>380667267
I'm pretty sure that a Federation, by definition, is made up of all sorts of branches. Every government is made up of all sorts of branches.

>>380668824
Not really.

For example BOTW is by far one of the most non linear games of all time, but it has very little replay value. It's a game best experienced once and that's it.

>>380669008

Metroid games are different because their level design rewards sequence breaking. Traversing a platforming segment with/without the speed booster, space jump, ice beam, grapple beam etc. is a completely different and often rewarding experience.

>>380668313
It was never going to be Super 2 with the kind of story they went for. The whole role reversal and being hunted around wasn't really going to work if you were just allowed to sequence break all the tense segments. It's still a damn fine game for what it is.

>>380665065
holy shit, the amount of details in this level was amazing. The fish tanks were all empty/broken and you should see a shifty silhouette in the back ground that's moving too fast for you to recognize

>>380669008
Talk for yourself, I'm in my 3rd playthrough and having a good time.

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>>380669008
>For example BOTW is by far one of the most non linear games of all time, but it has very little replay value

I've already replayed it like 3 times, what the fuck are you on?

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>Igarashi himself and his fans use the word "igavania" to describe games in this style; Igarashi prefers the term as to avoid the connotation that Nintendo has direct involvement when using the term "Metroidvania"
Wow, what a douchebag. We should call them Sakamotroids 2bh.

>>380669375

People don't give Fusion's level design enough credit. The shit they pull in that game can only work in a linear setting.

>>380665065
That's prime 2 kiddo

>>380669592
>The shit they pull in that game can only work in a linear setting.

Like being a terrible game?

>>380669592
exactly. since when did linear become bad? the same people will then turn around the suck metro 2033's cock, the faggots

>>380669707
Die

>>380669834

Super Metroid's formula for nonlinearity makes for by far the best game in the series, and ideally I'd see the most of that.
But Fusion makes the most of its linearity. Hating it when it takes its concept and executes it excellently just seems a bit petty.

>>380669572
Its not douchy though.

>>380669834
Being linear ain't bad; tons of great linear games, but Metroid games IN MY OPINION are better when they just let you do whatever the fuck you want. That's how the series started, that's how the best 2D entry did it, and that's how the 2nd best handled it too.

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So which title theme do you guys prefer out of the two GBA games? Personally, I choose zero mission.

Zero Mission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnhXBfngs0

Fusion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAc6fGmdmMk

>>380670137
I like the different approach personally. When I played prime 1 I just felt like a lifeless walking suit in a beautiful environment. In contrast, fusion felt like I was a person uncovering the mystery of the station that saved my life

>>380670093
I can see where he's coming from, but he shouldn't just accept his name as the genre title either. The majority of Metroidvanias today are far more inspired by Metroid than SOTN. Most of them having you grab upgrades and power ups from specific points int he map, not just from bosses or leveling up. A ton of them also have some sort of "get smaller to go through this passage way" like the morph ball, and/ore feature wall jumping. Both of which absent from SOTN.
SOTN is a fucking masterpiece and I actually wish more Metroidvanias would pull more from it, but the fact is that they are all much more Metroid-like and calling it a "Igavania" is being completely ignorant to what is inspiring these games the most.

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>>380665379
Just a reminder.

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About to start Zero Mission for the first time! Wish me luck!

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What's this game?

>>380669261
>>380669261
I should rephrase my posts.

Non linearity can be good, but I think the stigma lately that linear games are automatically bad is wrong.

I've seen people say linearity is a bad thing on its own where it's not.

Fusion is a very good linear game.

>>380670565
Have fun anon and good luck!

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>>380670708
I'm already stuck! I'm so bad at games!

(Is there a way for me to progress here, or should I go back to the door that was red earlier and fire a missile at it instead?)

>>380670669
Yeah, I love Fusion too. Super's style is the superior style, but Fusion had its own style and executed it well. I love both games.

>>380670661
La Mulana

>>380670661
Mulan Rouge

>>380670212
I prefer Fusion because it sets the tone perfectly. It's a remake of the original theme, but instead of breaking the tense, creepy tunes in the middle of the piece, it doubles down, almost as if it were saying "shit is real this time man".

It's fucking genius.

>>380670337
I agree, just making the same ass game every time would get tiring pretty fast.

>>380670796
That's correct.

>>380669692
>2D
>Prime

>>380670796
Figure it out.

Only bombs can destroy those blocks.

>>380670850
Also SAX hunting you down for the majority of the game was great.

Good boss fights too. I really do like fusion.

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Post your ranking of the ones you've played.

Metroid Prime > Super Metroid > Metroid Prime 2 > Zero Mission > Fusions > Prime 3 > Metroid > Other M

What are some of your favorite locations in the series?

Metroid M was unfairly panned.
It was pretty good

>>380670945
>Not realizing this is now a Metroid general thread

>>380671026
Those chase scenes were legit some of the most intense moments I can ever remember in a video game.

It's not very often in a video game where "RUN NOW" is literally your only option

>>380670796
Nigga is this your first video game
Just go back and look for other shit you can do.
>>380671026
Something I didn't like is how scripted the encounters felt. The first time through you shit your pants, but on subsequent playthrough all the tension is lost. Maybe it was a limitation if it's time so I get it, but shit imagine your doing your thing and suddenly you hear the door opening and two fucking SAXes come out blasting ice.

>>380664947
>>380665039


How so? It's different but by no means is that a bad thing. I loved how the level design and exploration were directly tied into Samus' mental and physical state of being. You're no longer the most fearsome bounty hunter in the galaxy in your suit of ancient Chozo tech; you're a mess that got put back together and owe the folks that did you the favor. It explored the vulnerability and mental fortitude of Samus as a character and showed just how smart and emotive she could be.

You shut your whore mouth it was super metroid and always will be

What's so good about those games anyway? Bought Super Metroid on the Wii U VC, tried playing it and it looked pretty... normal...? I mean, not saying it's bad, but it's definitely not as good as everyone says.

Anyway, I got stucked at the beginning and never played anymore. Need to go back to it sometime.

>>380671359
I wouldn't mind a modern take on Fusion with random SA-X encounters throughout the station. The X were great antagonists.

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>>380671261
Well, still I prefer 2D gameplay and bosses to 3D.

>>380671397
Super can be topped. The aiming for or was ass, I'm glad returns is introducing 360 aiming.

>>380671587
Control Freak patch adds ZM-style aiming. It's perfect.

>>380671525
>looked pretty normal
>rating a game soley on graphics

>>380671587
I hope it is topped in my lifetime. I'm glad there's more Metroid but give me a fucking sequel to Fusion already you fucking nips.

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>>380671264

This scene right here is fucking brilliant. Up until now, you've always had a way around or could just avoid it unless you were retarded. And then you hear the footsteps, waiting for them to leave and they never do.

>>380671546

The Ice-X were just the most ridiculous and yet terrifying things.

>>380671026
holy shit yes. SAX encounters gave me goosebumps every time and I got paranoid every time I heard those fucking footsteps

>>380671110
Prime 2 > Fusion = Super > Prime 1 > Prime 3 > Return of Samus > Zero Mission > Metroid > Metroid Blast from Nintendo Land > Prime Hunters >>> Federation Force >>>> Other M

Any location in Prime 2 is my favourite.
The Night Sector in Fusion.
Sunken ship in Super.
Outside during the ending of Return of Samus.

>>380665379
How can one list be so wrong both forwards and backwards?

>>380671110
Brinstar (Super Metroid), Chozo Ruins, Phendrana, Torvus depths, Sanctuary Fortress, Elysia (dat music)

>>380671546
You might like Alien: Isolation.

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>>380664732
*breaks your sequence*

>let's take Metroid and make it first person!
Why did this fucking horrible idea actually work so well?

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Come across like twenty of these.
What the hell are they?

>>380672052
Chicken carcasses
Ladys got to eat

>>380672002
>Let's take Zelda and make it about time travel
Why did this fucking horrible idea actually work so well?
>>380672052
chozo statues silly

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>>380671870

That's some fine taste, anon.

>>380664732
That's not Zero Mission.

>>380672052
Bird magic dispensers. They keep your bird pubes trimmed.

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>>380672052
Chorizo.

>>380672274
I didn't really like 0 mission much it lacked difficulty to me even compared to fusion

>>380670661
The best of the genre.

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Other M > Prime 1 > Super Metroid > Prime 2 > Zero: Mission > Federation Force > Fusion > Metroid > Metroid 2

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>>380672052

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>>380672380
>Fusion
>Difficulty

>>380672412
>Other M > Prime 1 > Super Metroid
>Federation Force > Fusion

>>380672412
While sure this is bait, most people who shit on Other M never actually played it.

>>380672412
troll list and you forgot am2r

>>380672412
Other M > Super > Prime 1 > Fusion > Zero: Mission > Prime 2 > Federation Force > Prime 3 > Rest, which I didn't play

>>380672412
son i thin u meght b a retart

>>380672484

do a 1% run nia, it's fun as fuck

>>380672484
I said "even compared to fusion" does anyone here actually read posts or do you just scan them?

>>380671264
>>380671738
Also, it feel amazing to reach that point in the game where you're finally powerful enough to take on the thing that's been terrorizing you for the entire game head on.

Most difficult games: Metroid, Return of Samus, Echoes

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For years I've said Super Metroid is my favorite game of all time

>mfw I replayed it all the way through today for the first time in a couple of years and am still fully confident in that claim

>>380672484

The bosses and item puzzles in Fusion are fucking legit, anon.

>>380672484
It's the only Metroid game you can die in. That and Prime 2.

>>380672661
Always felt funny how the SA-X stopped showing up after you got the Plasma beam. Like it was backing off from direct assault and instead baiting you into doing its dirty work.

>>380672675
Super Metroid is my second favorite game ever. The first one is Metroid Prime

>>380667709
Fusion has points of no return.

>>380672884

It has
>The restricted lab (literally two rooms)
>The endgame lock, which is released as soon as you beat the game and remains unlocked for all subsequent playthroughs

Don't the animals you save in Super appear in fusion?

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>>380672748
Echoes difficulty is mostly bullshit though like this guy, reminder that Bryan Walker was never able to properly beat the Boost Guardian.

>"My favorite part about Metroid Prime 2 is the Quadraxis battle. It's the biggest boss that's ever been in a Metroid Prime game, just physically. It's also one of the most grueling. But I think it's just the most logically laid out of the boss encounters in that you have to take this massive structure down, bit by bit, in a realistic way," he says. And what of his least favorite? "This was the topic of a lot of discussion during and even after we shipped, but the boost ball guardian was brutal. I confess here and now that I was never able to beat it without going into debug mode," he admits, laughing.

>>380669375
>walking through that one giant fish tank and see a huge fuck skeleton of a sea monster
>get into the boss room and realize there's water everywhere so the X probably killed the creature and copied it for this boss fight.
One of my favorite moments as a child

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>for years hear people shit on Echoes
>recently see people appreciating the game

I'm glad.

>>380673057

Correct.

>>380665861
Valdis Story is trash.

>>380673132
It's been my favorite Prime since day 1. Feels good.

>>380673058
>bullshit
How? I only play through the game on hard mode nowadays, and I honestly have more trouble with the Spider Guardian.

>>380673132
Post the better suit faggot.

>>380673058
>This weakling
>Bullshit

Alpha Blogg my dude.

>>380673057

Yup, and they become a major plot point.

>>380672852

To be fair, the X inadvertently gave you the beam that could pierce the SA-X's armor. They backed off for good reason after that. Hell, it's the reason the Feds didn't send it to Samus in the first place.

>>380673393
>Alpha Blogg my dude.
Charge beam and side-dashes my nig, not hard.

>>380673381
How is having absolutely no way to predict his patterns when he boosts fair at all?

>>380673393
Alpha Blogg goes down in five Super Missiles, people only complain because they don't save and then die to him and have to redo the entire slog of Submerged Torvus.

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>tfw you have all three exclusive Samus statues from First 4 Figures

>>380672412
Fusion > Zero Mission > Super > Other M > Metroid 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any prime

>>380673537
>How is having absolutely no way to predict his patterns when he boosts fair at all?
Because games requiring reactionary maneuvering/quick reflexes are neither a new concept nor unfair.

>>380673534
>>380673537
Reflecting on that Alpha Blogg post, I will admit it wasn't that hard, I just sucked at timing the dodge.

Oddly enough Torvus is my favourite location of Prime 2. though my favourite boss is Quadraxis, what's your favourite boss in general?

>>380673769
Quadraxis or Nightmare. Quadraxis is always the highlight of my Prime 2 playthrough, especially when I'm doing some kind of challenge run.

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>>380673769
Only Vergil from DMC3 and Azel from God Hand are better.

Super Metroid is the best

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>>380666297
Actually this is probably the most accurate rating of any series I've ever seen on /v/.

>>380673769
>favourite boss in general
I'd say Chykka. It was just so satisfying to fight once I found the rhythm for it.

Pretty sure the game has the best bosses of the three, though it's probably the only area Corruption really excelled.

>>380674092
Chykka is boring IMO. Just takes too long.

I like how easy it is to do the floaty jump glitch though.

>>380665861
>People once again not realizing Zero Mission > Super because nobody played Zero Mission

Its literally a straight up improvement on everything Super did. They took what they learned from making Super and Fusion and put that knowledge into making Zero Mission. Its an objectively superior product.

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Reminder you can two hit Emperor Ing with the Screw Attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXR65pP0IA

>>380674171

Not with that needless Zero Suit section.

>>380674171
ZM is simply a compromise between Super and Fusion - and does not excel in the exploration, non-linearity and replayability of the former nor the combat and dynamic level design of the latter.
Super > Fusion > ZM, and you're a pleb.

>>380674171
Super is mechanically superior and just as non-linear.

>>380666297
>Corruption on the same tier as original and 2
>Hunters below both

Whoever made this list is an idiot.

I like it more than ZM and parts of Super but it's not the best.

>>380674154
>674154>>380674092(You)#
The larva stage kinda sucks, but I was constantly moving given the unique enemy spawns and moving platforms of the adult form.

Is that glitch in the GC version? I never heard of it.

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To celebrate the announcement of the new Metroid games, which Metroid game are you playing through or going to play through (if any)?

>>380666548
When Nintendo lords over a third party they usually don't fuck up or make a bad game. Eternal Darkness, the Wii U Zelda remasters, etc

>>380666297
Move prime 2 up to god tier and I'd agree.

>>380674415
The only good thing was the multi-player that was ruined by hackers. It's a weak ass entry.

>>380674362
>tfw pulled this off recently.
Ether jumping in Prime 1 is such a fucking pain.
>>380674474

If you're in the water when you shoot the larva free of its cocoon, you can jump like three times higher than usual.

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>>380674559
No, it's world design isn't good enough.

>>380674678
Just because the areas themselves are connected to each other that way doesn't mean the world design within each area isn't amazing, especially the way the light and dark worlds connect to each other.

>>380674678
Inb4 the Prime 2 defenders somehow convinced themselves that Prime 2's world is more cohesive or has less intrusive backtracking than the first game.

>>380674363
I personally think that the Zero Suit section is fun but I guess I can understand why people don't like it. Fortunately its pretty short so even if you don't like it, it doesn't really detract from the game much.

>>380674414
>Mechanically superior
Well meme'd, friend.

>>380674678
>it's world design isn't good enough
>posts a picture proving otherwise
I've only sympathized with the "it's not a very natural world design," and only slightly. Navigating Aether is much easier than Tallon IV and especially the Corruption planets.

>>380674565
>B-but, muh Sylux

>>380674951
He's correct about mechanical superiority and you're simply a pleb who can't git gud if you disagree.

Zero Suit section was definitely good, I don't see what all the hate is about. There's a ton of shortcuts and a ton of opportunities to pull off wall-jump tricks.

>Samus Returns looks worse than Fusion (the best-looking Metroid game)

What's the point

>>380674414

Mate you have to admit there's a fair bit of needless shit in Super.

>>380674951
>Well meme'd, friend.
>I don't have an actual retort
Fixed that for you

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>>380672675
Super Metroid feels too floaty for me.

Is Samus a damsel in distress or has submissive personality? That would turn me off.

>>380675163
All of that "needless shit" is what gives the game so much room for creativeness.

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>>380675234
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>380675234
Samus has a light compassionate personality, mixed with a soldier/dutiful mentality in most games.

Other M throws this out the window.

>>380675121
Literally how? ZM is more fast paced which makes it more interesting and fun to play, the shinespark mechanics are much more robust, its actually a challenge to walljump because of how quickly you need to react, and the controls feel much, much tighter than they do in super.

>>380675234

She's dominant but approachable until getting knocked down a few pegs by the events of Fusion but she's better by the end.

>>380673769
Nightmare or Yakuza. They're both intensely hard and dripping with atmosphere.

>>380664957

>Play A2MR for an hour or two
>Save
>Go back to play later
>"Save File Corrupted"
>wut
>Notice that I accidentally opened two instances of AM2R
>Somehow this destroys my save file

I don't even fucking know how this makes sense.

>>380674482
Im actually playing super metroid for the first time ever on my vita, first ever metroid game too.
Also got lined up some of the other ones for later, i plan on playing:
Super metroid>fusion>zero mission>AM2R

>>380675234
> a damsel in distress
That'd be pretty hard when there's no one to save you in light years for most of the games.

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>tfw you want to play through all the Prime games again
>tfw your GC is not working and your Wii is in storage
>tfw you are missing your Nunchuck so you can't play your Trilogy Edition that you bought off VC WiiU either

FUCK ME

>>380675012
Simply wrong. Prime's world guided you exactly were you needed to be simply by the strength of its macro-scale level design.
>Need to backtrack to Tallon Overworld after getting the Boost Ball to pick up the Space Jump
>A new passageway opens up to take you there quickly, using your new power
>Need to backtrack to Chozo Ruins to get the Ice Beam
>A new passageway opens up to take you there quickly, using your new power
>Need to backtrack to Tallon Overworld to get the X-Ray Visor
>A new passageway opens up to take you there quickly, using your new power
>Need to backtrack to Magmoor Caverns to get the Plasma Beam
>A new passageway opens up to take you there quickly, using your new power,
It's fucking brilliant. Prime 2 boxes you into its tiny little segregated areas with no room for this pseudo-discovery.

>>380675509
The shinespark mechanics are the only improvement since you can run out of a shinespark if you hit a slope. They're severely underutilized, basically only necessary for 100% and never for sequence breaking.
Wall jumps have much less utility. You couldn't do early Power Bomb or early Ridley with ZM's garbage physics.

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>>380669008
>It's a game best experienced once and that's it.
Get a load of this faggot. I'm on my third replay using the Fierce Deity outfit this time around. I can't wait for the DLC Packs.

>>380675871
I have the OG prime in my shelf.
I played like two hours of it a few years back but i got bored.
Should i give it another go?

>>380675012
Well the constant switching between light and dark worlds makes Aether a massive pain to navigate but in Echoes each area is highly self contained where you would do a bunch of tasks in Agon Waste and then go to Torvus and repeat whereas in Super and the first Prime this isn't the case and the 'segments' of the game are spread across many locations of the world. It's one of the many reasons why the first Prime is much better.

>>380673769

Ridley-X. You get two fake-outs and then when he shoes up, he's this warped, mutated thing screaming bloody murder. Also, possibly headcanon tier but I like to think the X version was so fucked up by all of the rebuilds and clonings he got in the earlier games and the Prime series.

What are some games similar to Prime series?

>>380665427
>rating a game that isn't out based on a trailer

>>380664947
Wrong. How could anyone be such a bumbling dumbfuck

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>>380674362
What the fuck am I looking at? Is it posible in the Trilogy disc?

>>380674482
I replayed Super Metroid today. Got the best ending - the game is as close to flawless as you can get imo.

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Best 2D Metroid coming through.

>in before casuals

>>380676074
Not who you're replying to but I really dislike the backtracking in Prime and love how Prime 2 is handled, however I think it's mostly due to the environments, just reading the words "Chozo Ruins" gets my blood boiling, I fucking hate that place.

>>380675615
How far are you and what do you think of it? It's my favorite game of all time and I'm always interested in what newcomers think.

>>380676215
None really. That's why its so special.

>>380676309
no

>>380671870
I like you anon

>>380676017
I'd say so. Retro really nailed the sense of Isolation with Prime 1 and 2, and the sound tracks certainly help. Prime 1 and 2 are much more about exploration first and combat second. If you want a more action-y experience go with Prime 3. I personally think it's the weakest, but it's by no means a bad game.

>>380670534
Jesus Christ, was that actually just after he died?

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>>380676230
You serious?

>>380675234
>Is Samus a damsel in distress or has submissive personality?

In most Metroid games? No. In Other M? Yes.

>>380676230
you what senpai

>>380676363
How?
The Dark Temple Keys in Echoes are far worse than the first Prime, at least on repeat play throughs on Prime you can get around half of them before you have all your upgrades whereas this isn't possible in Echoes and some of them are ridiculous like the one in Sanctuary Fortress where you need to go all the way back to where you fought the Spider Guardian or the one in Submerged Torvus where you have to navigate around all those things underwater that you kill with bombs.
The first Prime gives you a transit to AT LEAST three areas no matter where you are just like Echoes.

Do you want to breed with Samus /v/?

>>380675894
>It's fucking brilliant
It's really not. Echoes circular hub-system branching out of the Great Temple pretty clearly offers the smoothest navigation.

>Great Temple goes to a third of Temple Grounds leading to one of the three main areas
>Main area has its own central hub, growing outwards to another central hub on a second level
>elevator access to the remaining central hubs

Neat and tidy.

This argument also overlooks traversing the different areas on Tallon IV. Magmoor is a straight line; getting to either of the Phendrana elevators is needlessly convoluted, especially when there isn't even access from your ship or the meteor. Ditto even worse for Phazon Mines.

>>380676074
This is what I'm getting at: Prime 2 is "self-contained" to the point of feeling unrealistic. I agree that they offer different feels, but I think it' obvious which one is more formally sound.

>>380676323
Plays like ass

>>380676309

The infinite speed glitch.
The game thinks he's in the tunnel to the wave beam room, when he's actually in the adjacent Chozo Ice Temple. Cases like that make it easy to get stuck in walls.
If you're lucky, you can get infinite speed when you're stuck. You have to be in a certain position, holding the camera a certain way as you morph, and holding a certain direction. If you do it right then you accelerate without bound, eventually becoming that ball of energy.
If you boost in that energy ball form, crazy shit happens. If you boost too hard the game crashes, but sometimes you just activate all the cutscene triggers. Both the wave beam collection and boss fight trigger were hit.
You can't unmorph in that form, by the way. The graphics spaz out and it locks up somewhat. Hitting a trigger or a save room is the only way out.

>>380676759
Found the casual.

>>380676424
I just got the missile, after getting the morph ball a few rooms back.
I had trouble figuring out how the fuck to activate the damn ball.

So far im diggin it but its slower than i expected it to be and idk if its my control setup on the vita but it isnt very comfortable to jump and shoot
I just finished a marathon of sorts of some of the older castlevania games (IV, Bloodlines, Rondo of blood and SotN) so maybe my experience is conditioned by that
SotN was absolutely god tier in the gameplay and feel department

But yeah, i can tell i will enjoy it

>>380676323
>No beam combos
its shit

>>380676548
Yep, he then deleted it and made a very half-hearted apology. He is, sincerely, a massive fucking cunt.

>>380676478
honestly from what i remember the combat wasnt that good in prime 1, i remember it feeling weird and like everything was magnetized if that makes sense, as opposed to true analogue control of the gun

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>>380664732

Patrician tier taste, senpai.

Would play video games with, fuck sluts and become business partner with.

That's how confident I am of your character based on your opinion of a single video game.

>>380676652
>The Dark Temple Keys in Echoes are far worse than the first Prime
Yes, but only because you have to wait until the Light Suit for most of them. Traversing all the way to the Spider Guardian doesn't make much difference due to the design of Aether and overall quicker moving speeds.

Imagine if you couldn't get any artifacts until you beat Meta Ridley. It'd be ridiculous getting all the way back to the top of inner Phendrana or going through Magmoor Corridor.

>>380676680
No.

>>380676652
Again this is probably just my own mind easing the backtracking but I just love the environments of Prime 2 more. Also I liked the way the fallen warriors were the hints to the keys plus it let me explore with the cuh-rayzee new visor.

From a technical view, Prime probably handled it better.

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>>380676680
Yes. I want to feel her feather pubes and hear her go "CAW!! CAAAWW!!" as she orgasms.

>>380676718

>Neat and tidy.
Until you need to backtrack to a previous area, such as when you need to get the Seeker Missiles or the Power Bomb. Then you're fucking clueless because the world design doesn't direct you at all. Then the hint system has to kick in to lead you by the nose. Then you have to spend half an hour walking out of the current zone the exact same way you entered, entering the old zone the exact same way you did the first time, finding the power up and then doing the whole thing all over again in reverse. It's simply shit, it can't compare to Prime's elegant backtracking.

>Phazon Mines
Piss easy to enter. You have the Tallon Overworld entrance (which is immediately beside the Chozo Ruins entrance) and the Magmoor Caverns entrance (which is immediately beside the Phendrana Drifts entrance). By the time it matters you can reach it from every other area in a direct and straightforward manner - and importantly, you discovered all of that.
Try getting anywhere on Dark Aether in a timely fashion, it simply doesn't compare even with your stupid warp system. And you have to do that for pretty much the entire planet, since you can't get the vast majority of the Dark Temple Keys. without backtrackingg.

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>>380677342
Please stop lewding Samus, she's in a bit of a bind right now.

>>380677342
what is this, a poster for ants?

>>380677278
IMO, I think Prime 2 is a more engrossing and uncomfortable experience (in a good way) but Prime 1 is much more easy to sit back, relax and blast through.

>>380676680
No.

>>380673079
I remember that, holy shit the armored eel was awesome. Fusion has the best build ups to boss fights out of all the metroid games

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>>380673132
Still my favorite.

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>>380677531
Yes. Have a cute Samus to make up for it.
>You will never be dominated by Samus as she caws and flaps her arms like a headless chicken chicken, orgasming.

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>>380677615
>Fusion has the best build ups to boss fights out of all the metroid games
Fusion's Zombie Ridley alone proves you right.

>>380677003
>Imagine if you couldn't get any artifacts until you beat Meta Ridley.
But you don't have to and even then Magmoor Caverns acts as a transit to every location in the game, the only ones that would be a pain would be the one in Phendrana Depths and that's because getting there from Phendrana is time consuming the rest would work similarly to Echoes although looking back at this diagram >>380674678 you are right that Echoes streamlined design does make it easier since you can always access the other three areas regardless of where you are whereas you can only do that from Magmoor in Prime.

I still prefer Prime's world though since everything felt more natural, Echoes has a very clearly defined progression of Agon -> Torvus -> Sanctuary Fortress and Prime is pretty linear too but it never felt like it as much as Echoes did.

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>>380677342

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>>380677851
>mfw you see a frozen carcass of ripley in one of the early areas while your suit takes damage
>mfw when you get the varia suit and explore, an x parasite absorbs the corpse and floats away

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>>380677757
Here, better size.

>>380677851
I really hope Ridley isn't shoehorned into Samjus Returns.

>>380677847
Define "be dominated".

>>380678059

Samus Returns is a re-imagining of Metroid 2. Was Ridley in Metroid 2?

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>>380678028
Thanks.

>>380672484
The opening to fusion is difficult if you aren't careful, since Samus starts extremely weak in the beginning, after that though its a cakewalk.

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>>380677847

>>380678129
No
>>380678059
I wouldn't mind, because I'm a sucker for the guy.

Post your favorite Metroid song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LudFV61zsaw

>>380678129

Was Crocomire in Metroid 1?
he nearly was in ZM so it still counts

>>380678084

while your laying on your back on the ground, she straddles your face and squeezes your head with her thighs. if you stop licking, she sits up just enough to smack you in the face hard and then slams her ass back down on your mouth.

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>>380678084
Pin you and hold you down, probably tie you down in her nest.

>>380677427
>Then you're fucking clueless because the world design doesn't direct you at all.
>Seeker Missiles
You hit a dead end in Agon, and there's only one accessible area left in Temple Grounds. With both the map and a little memory, it's pretty clear where I have to go next. I definitely didn't play with hints, either.

>You have the Tallon Overworld entrance (which is immediately beside the Chozo Ruins entrance) and the Magmoor Caverns entrance (which is immediately beside the Phendrana Drifts entrance).
But you don't have one from each area. It's not as comprehensively structured.

>and importantly, you discovered all of that.
From the world guiding me there? Again, exhausting my dead ends and remembering where access was previously blocked sounds a lot more like actual discovery than a developer subtly guiding me where to go next (which doesn't have much to do with what I claimed in the original post).

>>380678238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUWtSrG6xKU

Good taste anon

>>380665438
This
Zero wins

>>380678242
No, Crocomire first-debutted in Super Metroid.

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>>380678458
That's my second favorite.

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Where did this "Metroid is good" meme come from? Get off my fucking board you fucking children.

>>380678129
Mecha-Ridley wasn't in Metroid 1.

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>>380678305
>>380678346
Nice.
God damn it I'm so fucking lonely

>>380678238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbbUv1hz6mE
I know I am objectively wrong, but to me this will forever be Samus' theme in my head.

>>380678305
I want to be dominated by Samus while she was infected by the X Parasite!

>>380677886
>you are right that Echoes streamlined design does make it easier since you can always access the other three areas regardless of where you are whereas you can only do that from Magmoor in Prime.
This was my only argument. It's fine if you like the fact that Prime 1 allows access to artifacts right off the bat, that's really something different than what I'm saying. I'd prefer that, too, but it's less of a big deal IMO due to the way Aether is built.

>>380678238
Favorite song there, here is the second best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RWI3-8N_-Y

>>380678676
I want to be dominated by radioactive Phazon Samus and die in her arms after radioactive copulation.

>>380678796
Fuck, beaten

>>380678458
Second only to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdoyZLrhAH0

I think Prime 2 was king of ancillary design--music, art, menu, etc.--as well.

>>380678238
Not actually my favorite, but:

>one of the most hype songs is used once during a forgettable miniboss that lasts maybe a minute at most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPDMeUx2c8s

Great song here too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak_p3Oqov08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUg643AzN90
Samus. Samus pls.

>this hasn't been posted yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLcyg4Tq5uY&list=PL0BCE0BA953AC33E4&index=6

>>380678753
Yeah I always thought it was a strange design choice to gate most of the Sky Temple Keys behind the last item in the game. Really drags out that portion of the game even on repeat play throughs.

>>380678385

Takes a while to exhaust all the options in Torvus, and it misleads you with bullshit like the green door blocking the entrance to Hydrodynamo but being unable to do anything there until you leave and get the seekers. Leaving Torvus to go to the Temple Grounds is such a chore that you'd sooner try anything else. Same with the Power Bombs. Unlike in Prime 1 where as soon as an item unlock means you have to backtrack, another path to where you're supposed to go opens up that cuts down the travel time and exposes you to some new content.
I have a save file with item loss skipped, early power bombs and early seeker missiles, just at the start of Agon, I just copypaste that so I can skip all this bullshit

>But you don't have one from each area. It's not as comprehensively structured.
You pretty much do, that's what i was just illustrating. Phazon Mines is close to every other area in the game - there's no direct lift from Phazon to Phendrana or Phazon to Chozo, but it's two lifts and one room away in each case. Fucking nothing really.

It's 3am, I'm too tired to continue this conversation but I'll continue to defend Prime 1's world design. It's fucking brilliant, on par with Super as one of the greatest examples of open-ended world design.

>>380679234
>Not posting the inferior version to hype up the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy51dlsuzzI

>>380679392
I only know this from pinball lol

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>>380679184

ummm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCjZTxGUzMI

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Best battle theme coming through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqDH8bPtWMQ

>>380679552
This is second.

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>>380678346

My biggest regret in life is not buying a Metroid 'hat' that made you appear as if you were being sucked dry by a Metroid.

But not in the manner in which I was sucked dry by your mother last night.

>>380679714
I love how Same-y the soundtrack of Prime 2 is, reflecting the Hivemind of the Ing.

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>>380679804
>Spoiler
Seriously man? We having a comfy birdwoman+music thread.

>>380675420
It made it unnecessarily frustrating, and made backtracking a contributing factor to the game's difficulty. It was kind of trash DESU. Not terrible, but I can only stand to play that game through once every four years or so because it's so needless. I stop having fun like a third of the way into it, too.

>>380665861
Anything by the creator of Jotun is not worth spending money on. That game is visually very nice, but the gameplay is pure trash.

Also, can anyone confirm the quality of Axiom Verge, Ori, and Environmental Station Alpha?

>>380678016
Why are feather pubes so amazing /v/?

Who remembers the amazing feel when this pack was announced? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSKA639wMSc

>>380665861
I still need to play and beat a number of those. Only Castlevanias I've ever played have been SotN and DoS. I actually got pretty far into the latter before dropping it for some reason. Probably my ADD. From what I've played, I don't think I like CV more than Metroid, though.

Of the ones I played, Shadow Complex and Guacamelee were both great though. I have a feeling SC doesn't hold up though.

This image makes me realize I'm 'behind' on Metroidvanias. I should get on that.

>>380680543
They're very soft to the touch, it teases your dick.

>>380680725
I do, and I have it sitting here because I want to play through all the games again. But I can't because I can't find my FUCKING NUNCHUCK

REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>380680787
You should play Aria of Sorrow, only Castlevania that comes close to Super Metroid.

>>380676680
>Attempt to fuck Samus
>Penis gets snapped off by super strong chozo vag

>>380665861
>Dawn of Sorrow and Aria both right next to each other in god tier
Fucking finally, I'm so tired of people shitting on Dawn and putting it two tiers lower or some shit.

>>380665861
OoE???

>>380680903
I've always wanted to play that one. Honestly, as a kid, CV was always something that I'd always heard of but never really got a chance to play, because I was a poorfag and any money that I had or any birthday/Christmas gift lists went towards games I had more interest in.

I feel like I might like it more if I had grown up with it. Fwiw, I liked what I played of DoS (I'd wager I beat about 75% of it) but I thought SotN was overrated, though I didn't get very far into it at all. I hated the level design.

>>380664732
I did not like Fusion. It's too linear. The way you acquire weapons is stupid. The music isn't really music at all. It tries to tell a story and fails. It's too short. All of these exact same complaints apply to Other M too which is universally hated for mostly these same reasons. I don't get why Fusion is not

>yfw Metroid threads are finally comfy again

>>380681208
>though I didn't get very far into it at all. I hated the level design.
You're not alone. People give me looks for having Super Metroid in my 3x3 but minusing for SotN, but I don't think they're terribly similar, honestly. Metroid was never about the combat.

>>380681295
Metroid threads that aren't full of trolling are some of /v/'s best, along with DMC and Smash threads.

>>380681208
Aria of Sorrow is an improved Symphony of the Night in both level layout and difficulty, only area Symphony of the Night excels in is its OST which is really fucking good to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8JGNPE4ayw

You could play Aria of Sorrow in your browser right now if you wanted to, I'd recommend playing it one way or another.

>>380681295
>Xenoblade threads are waifu shitposting
>Mario threads are just console warring

>Metroid threads are GOAT
Having a small fanbase has its perks.

>>380678238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCz3B1-pP8Q

It's not my favorite, but the part at 18 seconds gets me so hyped up.

>>380681295
>tfw MP4 won't be out till 2020

>>380681575
What about Order of Ecelssia? I didn't see it in the tier list.

>>380681559
Don't forget Kirby threads.

>>380681513
>>380681575
Yeah, I'll get to AoS sometime soon.

Another thing I dislike about IGAvanias are the emphasis on RPG elements. I don't think I'm that much into RPG mechanics in general unlike most people and I prefer Metroid's more straightforward approach of slowly becoming more powerful via finding upgrades.

>>380681601
I love that electric guitar in the background. Next Prime game should have more of that sort of thing.

>>380681794
I wouldn't really call it a full Metroidvania, which is why it's probably not on the list. It's kind of a hybrid between the post SotN and pre-SotN Castlevania games with more linear and combat focused levels. It's much harder than anything you'll find in SotN and it's a solid game on its own right.

>>380681995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kwtT3H9eOQ
This song also has electric guitar in it, the contrast between it an the synths is incredible.

Hunters is the worst Metroid game ever made. Single player is literally a bunch of small ass multiplayer maps linked together, The controls are also fucking terrible and kills your hands.

I don't give a fuck how you feel about Other M but it's better than this trash.

>>380682246
That Dark Samus theme is one of my favorites throughout the entire series. It's so fucking good. Gave a lot of life to that boss fight as well.

Fuck me, I hope we get another humanoid boss fight like that again, but even better, and I hope it gets a theme just as good.

Hopefully Kenji Yamamoto comes back. He did a great job in the Prime series. He did fairly good in DKCR too, but was obviously inferior to what Wise did in DKCTF

>>380682413
>Hunters is the worst Metroid game ever made.
>I don't give a fuck how you feel about Other M but it's better than this trash.

Pre-hack multiplayer.

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>>380682246
Order of Ecclesia is my favorite Castlevania. I think Shanoa and Samus are my favorite vidyagaem wimin

>>380682428
>Fuck me, I hope we get another humanoid boss fight like that again

You will. Sylux is going to be in Prime 4.

>>380681575
>>380680943
>>380680903
Aria is the one with Soma right? Only Castlevania I ever played. Assumed there was more than the ending I got but never played it again.

>>380682592
He was only a superior on the DK games, composition and arrangement was handed by Minako Hamano, Masaru Tajima, Shinji Ushiroda, Daisuke Matsuoka for Returns.

>>380682932
supervisor*

>>380671026
Is Fusion the only 2D side-scroller Horror game? It's definitely the only sidescrolling game that's ever scared me.

>>380665861
Fusion is too high

>>380682852
I hope they make Sylux interesting and cool. I'd been wanting them to give Samus a humanoid rival for awhile now. I hope it's not corny and done well.

>>380671110
Metroid Prime > Fusion > Metroid Prime 2 = Super Metroid > Zero Mission > Prime 3 > Metroid 2 >>>>>>> Other M

I especially hate Other M because I'm one of the few who loved Fusion's story and Other M's story is literally just copying Fusion's story and ruining everything that Fusion set up.

>>380683213

Sylux has been her rival since Hunters. Hunter is just hot garbage so no one remembers it. Federation Force was the reminder that he exists and that the federation are assholes.

>>380682862
Yes.

Sylux is definitely in Prime 4. Tanabe straight up said if he continued 3D Metroid it'd be about the ship following Samus at the end of Corruption and he admitted that the ship was Sylux's.

>>380683345
>Federation Force was the reminder that ... the federation are assholes.

How so? I never finished it.

>>380664732
>2D Other M

When will Fusion babies stop trying to delude themselves and everyone else, and just admit that their game is shit?

>>380683345
I know, but I never did play Hunters, although I've always wanted to. Thinking about buying a copy and playing through the single-player campaign. I should really do that too, and get on finally buying MP: Pinball, Other M, and Federation Force while I'm at it.

Anyway, from what I've seen, Sylux looks cool and all, but doesn't seem to have much of a personality. I hope they give her, I'm guessing, a memorable personality.

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>>380680082

I thought she stopped making them.

They're on etsy for $35, kek.

Oh Capitalism, how I love thee.

>>380683752
Who the hell is this guy anyways?

>>380683658
>Anyway, from what I've seen, Sylux looks cool and all, but doesn't seem to have much of a personality.
Been forever since I played the story mode, but that's pretty much it. There's a few lines of dialogue /saying/ he's very competitive with her or whatever, but they barely interact.

>humanoid rival
That WAS Prime. Like, I'm glad it's a continuing trend, but it isn't new.

>>380683928
No one of value.

>>380676680
Only if she keeps the suit on. Bimbo-tier ZSS was a mistake.

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