Is buying AMD worthwhile for gaming?

>>380653598
Yeah it is fine. You will get some great performance, but your power bills will be slightly higher

I used and still am using AMD for gaming and i think it is worth it as AMD products are cheaper and are easier to replace

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no it is shit

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>windows 10 monitor my shit up edition
>expensive mobo and ram
>benchmarks have shown it to be below i5

>>380653598
AMD makes the most sense if you're on GNU/Linux with access to the latest Ryzen updates and unofficial graphics drivers made by the open source community.

On Windows 7 they can't really be recommended due to the fact that there's not proper support, and probably never will be. If you have AMD hardware or want to upgrade your hardware this year switching to GNU/Linux is the best option.
Windows 10 shouldn't even really be under consideration now that Microsoft's plans for it are clear.

GPU, yes, CPU, fuck no.

>>380654776
>Cinebench

Is that a good game?

>>380655227
yeah it has dx12

Ryzen is great for a cheap workstation, but Intel is still leagues ahead in gaming.

>>380654791
but what games can I play on linux?

Can I play Crysis? Witcher 3?

>>380654791
The linux gaymen maymay

Kek

The unofficial amd drivers are trash

>>380653740
>lower TPD
hmmm makes me think

>>380653598
No, if you want price/performance get an used build and upgrade the GPU,
Something like an sandy bridge i7 would be the same if not better and cheaper.

>>380654791
He's clearly stated he wants it for gaming.
Why are you people so obnoxious.
also:
>Windows 10 shouldn't even really be under consideration now that Microsoft's plans for it are clear.

Go ahead fill us in on what their plans are.

>>380653598
/g/ here, the answer is yes

intel is getting reamed hard right now

>>380655668
Crysis yes, Witcher 3 probably not

Wine is still playing catch up with DirectX

I have an i5 4670k at 4.5GHz
Do I need to bother upgrading yet? Getting a 1070 soon.

>>380655369

That's wrong. Ryzen is cheaper than Intel, and only performs a little bit worse in gaming, but kicks Intel's ass all over everything else.

Ryzen is all anyone should be buying at this point

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>>380655668
Crysis is D3D9 and has run on GNU/Linux OSes under Wine now for years. If you have an AMD card D3D9 is actually full speed thanks to there being a native implementation in the open source drivers.

Witcher 3 is becoming playable in the latest development versions of Wine. Witcher 2 however has a native port and there has been talk since before the release of Witcher 3 that it too would receive a native Vulkan version in the future.

The number of AAA games for GNU/Linux is still growing pretty rapidly. Including a few games that have gotten Linux-exclusive editions with Vulkan support like Dawn of War III

>>380656413
Yep, ignore the benchmarks that show a $300 processor barely beating a $200 chip with equal RAM and GPU.
Think how much faster the $200 chip would be with better RAM and a faster GPU.

>>380656108
>Go ahead fill us in on what their plans are.
making more money, as usual

this time by
>pushing ads to your desktop
>phasing out other digital distributors
>collecting+selling data like facebook and google

they've actually improved the product with 10, which is why it saddens me even more that I can't turn any of this shit off without third party hacks

ultimately, ganoo would be the best for everyone, but it's never going to happen because people like you exist

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>>380656108
I thought that was clear by now to everyone. Their goal is nothing short of the end of the open PC platform as we know it.

i have FX-6300 and R9 270 and i get 60fps @ 1080p for almost every game i play

>>380656991
I'm using an almost 5 year old PC now and I still play 95% of games at 60fps high or max at 1440p. Going to be upgrading my gpu soon though.

>>380656391
not really, keep it for another year or two

>>380656652
> Including a few games that have gotten Linux-exclusive editions with Vulkan support like Dawn of War III
and Mad Max IIRC

it's getting rapidly better but we are so fucking god damn far it's depressing

I really hope MS tightens the screw hard enough to cross the normie breaking point, assuming that's even possible

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>>380654852
this, basically

>>380656991
I've got an fx8320 and msi r9 270 and I only get 60fps on low settings.

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>>380656946
>Windows 10 S is a feature-limited edition of Windows 10 designed primarily for low-end devices in the education market.

Why would you use w10s on a gaming machine?

>>380657297
why are retards allowed on computers

you just described the literal opposite of reality

If you computer is only like 2-3 years old, I wouldn't bother upgrading to the CPUs avaliable now. If your on something like a 2500k, the same applies but it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Ryzen is fine, but it still might be another year or two before developers/programs start consistently using more cores/threads.

>>380656946
>S user
>wants to pretend it's the companies fault he's retarded

They have a special place for people like you in Hell.

The i7 7700k is monstrous for gaming due to its high clock and IPC but dont even consider an i5 over an r5 1600/1600x

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>>380657257
Yeah, the gains that have been seen with Mad Max's Vulkan version show that essentially eliminating the 'Linux performance tax' from ports is entirely possible.

Any company not investing in Vulkan backends for their game now is just not thinking about the future. Witcher 3 and other modern AAA games could probably make a mint in the future doing Vulkan ports to Android/Linux, the Switch is kind of a glimpse of the future as a Vulkan backed ARM handheld device.

>>380653598
I have a Ryzen 7 1800X. Fucking love it! Great for gaming, streaming, anything you throw at it.

>>380656936
Nothing wrong with what you listed.
The add part can be turned off as easy as changing your wallpaper is.
>>380656946
That's Windows 10S a version designed for schools and public PC's where people can't just install whatever they want, a long overdue version.
But nice to see you use strawman's like always.

>>380654785
>windows 10 monitor my shit up edition
Same shit with Kabylake my friend

>expensive mobo and ram
B350s let you overclock and are cheaper than most Z270 ones. Ram is expensive in general.

>benchmarks have shown it to be below i5
"It"? If you mean the 1600, many have it about equal or slightly lower in average fps and considerably higher in terms of minimum fps. I'd rather have less stuttering that slightly higher max fps.

>>380657391
OEMs are going to be offered 10 S for free. The majority of new Windows systems will be 10 S in a few years. A few years after that they'll represent the majority of Windows installs.

At that point, games for Windows will only get Windows Store releases, and even if you've paid for the upgrade to Pro (if that's still even available) they may require you to be in locked mode with no third party software to run.

I can tell you that next year we're going to have threads on here with people telling new PC gamers to just use 10 S since its a free download and will run Xbox games.
Microsoft is coming for us. Did you think they would ignore us and just let us pirate 7 to use Steam forever?

>>380657975
>Nothing wrong with what you listed.
is there not one fucking device I can use that's free from marketing? I mean, the thing costs a hundred dollars. it's depressing that you people just accept that shit like beaten hookers.

>That's Windows 10S a version designed for schools and public PC's where people can't just install whatever they want
you have no idea what a GPO is

you're in over your head mate

Is intel still the go to for gaming? Ive been debating between either a 1600x or a 7600k for some time.

I hear that ryzen needs higher clocked memory to take full advantage of what it has to offer. From some benchmarks ive seen the 1600x provides less minimal framerate but the 7600k offers a higher average framerate.

>>380657697
Basically this. The comparable Intel 200ish offering is the i5 7600k. You get slight better maximum/average frames but slightly lower minimum frames. Worse in everything but gaming, where the gains aren't that massive. I would prefer something like 90-100 FPS to 80-110, no noticeable stutter but something like GSYNC would fix that anyways

The big Intel vs Ryzen right now is developers slowly/never go back and fix bugs to make games run like they should. Its not a magic performance upgrade out of nowhere, its fixing some bugs that is hindering performance.

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>>380657697
This. If you're planning on spending over $300, the i7 7700K is worth considering over a Ryzen 7. Otherwise, Ryzen 5 > i5.

If you are looking up benchmarks, make sure they are recent as Ryzen has been receiving BIOS updates which are improving performance, especially with high-frequency RAM. Ryzen is a totally new platform, and had issues at launch, just like Intel's Nehalem did.

Also I hear that the IOMMU grouping issues have been resolved on Ryzen (pic related relevant), can anyone comment on that?

>>380653598
Yes, while it doesnt have as higher avg like Intel, it's lows are much higher than intel's. So basically you will have a much smoother experience, specially at 1080p.

>>380658391
5% better gaming perf for 50% less everywhere else

your call

>I hear that ryzen needs higher clocked memory to take full advantage of what it has to offer.
not necessarily, but it does make a bigger difference than it would on Intel. just get a 1600, a 3000MHz kit, a decent cooler and OC it to 3.8~4.0GHz

best PC build right now IMO, although the i7 is a decent choice if you're into 144Hz

>>380657975
>Nothing wrong with what you listed
>pushing ads to your desktop

Fucking literally kill yourself.

>>380658576
Last I knew there were people posting updates about it on a few GNU/Linux boards.
On the whole I'm not sure I see the point, I've already got an insurmountable backlog of games just looking at native GNU/Linux titles and basically Dirt Rally has eliminated any possibility of making progress on them.

>>380653598
Short answer: It's fine.

Long answer:
It's currently weaker for games than the best Intel CPUs, but generally cheaper.
It also has a gorillion cores, which in theory might help with future game performance.
The gorillion cores help with rendering and video editing, though.
There are only a some compatible RAM types, and drivers may or may not be a problem.
AMD CPUs are also more reliant on RAM speed, for some reason. Make sure you get very fast RAM to get good framerates.
The new AMD CPUs are locked to Win10, but can be used with older versions with some hack.
The AMD CPUs are severely underclocked, so you will HAVE to overclock them. That's easy to do these days, but you NEED to get a motherboard with support for it.
Intel's 7700K already has a good clock speed, so it's not necessary to OC it, but on the other hand some people have reported that they can run very hot.
7700K also doesn't overclock very much (from 4.2 to MAYBE 4.8 with water cooling).

Pretty sure an i7-7700k is still the best price/performance chip you can buy. Remember, you gotta buy slightly more expensive ram and motherboard to go with a Ryzen chip too.

>>380658391
Ryzen doesn't NEED faster memory, but it utilizes it very well. This wouldn't be a problem if RAM prices didn't double in like 12-18 months.
>>380659290
Ryzen B350 mobos are cheap, sub-100 dollar ones still let you OC and have everything but SLI/Crossfire.

You don't need to buy its worth buying fast RAM, again not a problem if smartphones didn't skyrocket DDR4 prices

AMD has the worst IPC

NEVER BUY AMD

>>380653598
Ryzen is meh for gaming

If you own a 2600k or a 3770k your CPU is still far superior than the most expensive Ryzen CPU

If you're at Haswell-E and above you should not even bother with Ryzen and should just wait for Skylake-X or Coffee Lake

does Ryzen work well on Windows 7?

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Intel won

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>how to fuck up your purchase for the next couple years, the thread.

has Nvidia fixed the issues their GPUs had with Ryzen, or are they still gimped compared to when paired with intel CPUs?

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>>380660605
>Intel won
>with a $1500 cpu compared to $450

/v/ and /g/ will tell you yes now because amd hired a shit ton a shills to shill their horseshit here
>i will get called a jew by a bunch of gook shills in 3..2..1...

>>380653598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
How the fuck does this even happen. AMD and Intel have reversed positions with the whole more cores meme.

>>380660442
>If you own a 2600k or a 3770k your CPU is still far superior than the most expensive Ryzen CPU

This just isn't true. Single-core maybe it's competitive but not far superior. And multi-core will be dominated by Ryzen.

>>380661036
MUH CORES

>>380661036
>i will get called a jew by a bunch of gook shills in 3..2..1...
nah just a retard

7700k is king at 120hz+
If you're playing at below 120hz then a Ryzen will be better due to better price/perf, and generally offers a bit smoother gameplay.

>>380660745

This.

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>>380661036

>>380653598
>Some games it's better, some games it's worse
>Probably won't make a difference one way or another unless you have a really good GPU setup at 1080p
>Have to jump through a hoop to get windows 7 on it
>Motherboard will probably require a bios update since they were rushed out
>All of the CPUs overclock
>Stock cooler is supposedly pretty decent, only ships with non-x models though
Overall pretty good but not definitively. Get whichever makes sense for your budget and local prices/sales.

Cue AMDrones posting graphs of some amazingly threaded strategy game that's a glorified synthetic benchmark and Intards posting graphs of ARMA 3 running on superior single core technology.

>>380660592
You either need to use a PS2 keyboard or USB driver workaround when installing. MS has said that they're going to block updates but haven't yet to the best of my knowledge. If they do you'll have to install shit manually which while annoying won't be much of an issue since you're only going to get security updates and botnet garbage anyway.

I'm not aware of any other issues.

>>380654852
/thread

>>380661105
If Linus is shitting on Intel, you know they fucked up big time.

>>380661598
Everyone and every major tech site shitting on intel right now, not just Linus.

So from what I gathered in this thread, an i5 is the way to go for the price/performance? I'm going to have to buy a new MOBO anyway because I'm working with an Athlon II right now.

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ITT

>People who still think AMD cpus are FX-tier AKA tech illiterate l33t kiddies who built a computer and now think they're hot shit

>>380661862
Ryzen 5 is the new i5

>>380661862
>So from what I gathered in this thread, an i5 is the way to go for the price/performance?
Are you illiterate?

>>380661862

Yes, do it,
No one give a fuck about what you gonna do with your money.

I don't know why people should care and act like a massive fanboy, its your money after all not theirs.

>>380661919
>>380662027
>>380662052
how much does that chink pay you?

>>380661862
I'd still lean towards a Ryzen 5 myself, but absolutely an i5 isn't a bad choice.

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>>380662116

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This is why I bought the Ryzen

what about the stuttering in games I hear the i5s and i7 have? Is there any true to this stuff or is it cherrypicking/shitposting?

>>380662538

Buy whatever you want.

>>380653598
1600x = 2-4% less singlethreaded performance than a 7700k (important for gaming)

It's $100-$200 cheaper than a 7700k

It has 50% better multithreaded performance than a 7700k

New games are relying more on multithreading than singlethreading

The AM4 socket is good for the next 4 years

I dunno, you tell me, is that worth being $100-$200 less than the 7700k?

>>380661263
7770k would be super overkill at 1080p, Ryzen is probably fine for 1080/144hz for several years with a comparable GPU like a 1070

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>>380662728
>not checking every decision you make with /v/ first
I bet your life is a complete shambles.

>>380663113

You are retarded if you expect a non-cherrypicking discussion in this retarded site.
Giving an advice to this tech illiterate board is a fucking waste of time.

>>380663247
what about half an advice?

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Should I upgrade?

>>380662931
>1600x = 2-4% less singlethreaded performance than a 7700k (important for gaming)
THE DELUSION on this shill.

>>380663420
wait for ryzen 2

>>380663420
Just overclock it

>>380656946
Your a fucking moron microsoft has had stripped back bare bones OS for see window vista/7 starter edition. 8 also had RT for ARM architectures which only ran windows store apps. Do some research before you spout stupid shit like this and take off your tin foil hat while your at it.

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>>380653598
Here OP, check this image it explains it pretty well.

>>380661862
No

If you're considering the i5, buy a Ryzen 1700/1600

There is no reason to buy an i5 in 2017

If you want more firepower now then the 7700k is the way to go

The 7700k shits on all Ryzen CPUs, don't let shills tell you otherwise

If you can wait, wait for the incoming Intel hexacores early next year or wait for Threadripper/Skylake-X reviews

>>380663784
>If you want more fire now then the 7700k is the way to go
FTFY

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>>380663774
Delete this

>>380662728
thanks for the absolutely useless reply

>>380663962

Fit in well with this thread and any others similar threads for the last three months.

>>380663784
>The 7700k shits on all Ryzen CPUs

No it doesn't.
It's within a 10% difference singlethreaded, on games that actually updated and optimized for ryzen it's like 2% difference.

And then the 1600/1700 AMD chips have twice the multithreading performance

It's not even a fucking contest. If you want gaming FPS you don't upgrade your CPU, you upgrade your GPU.

Retards still can't figure this out

>>380664065
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

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never buy intel

who /i7 920/2500k here?

>>380664213
I'm not being ironic, all this thread was never not about shitposting.
Its literally a fucking pasta.

>>380664228
2500k @ 4.5

No problems

>tfw phenom 960T/970
>unsure if I should get a 1600 or wait for Ryzen 2

>>380664228
2500k at 4.2ghz. Im probably going to upgrade to a 1600x and a 1070gtx for 1440p sometime soon.

>>380664228
920 @ 3.6ghz here

>>380663774
>1600X vs 7700K
U wot, this bait is beyond retarded.
A 1800 is more comparable.

>>380661919
lmfao

>>380664857
Why?

The 1600x and 1800x have the same singlethread performance.

The 1600x has more multithreaded performance than a 7700k.

So why would you buy an 1800x instead?

You are already beating the 7700k's multithreaded performance with the 1600x. And the singlethread performance is already at 1800x levels.

Do you even know anything at all about these CPU's?

>>380653598
yes, Ryzen is great all around.

>>380664962
The 1600 is only cheaper because it is way WAY worse. It's the i5 answer, not the i7 answer, you dumbo.

>>380653740
The fuck are you talking about? AMD chips are more power efficient than Intel chips right now. And it's not by a small margin.

>>380663774
I was about to criticize this image for having a top of the line CLC and RBG RAM with a bronze PSU before realizing it's to show what you can blow your money on instead. Really should put that to the right.

ez bait in my life

what an absolute shit thread

>>380665108
According to the exact same logic, the 1800X is also way worse because it has identical performance to the 1600X in single threaded applications. So why would you want to spend more money to get the same performance?

>>380656413
Ryzen is better bur unless you're a streamer anything more than a quad core is still overkill.

>>380664612
Are you me?

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>>380663774
DELID THIS NOW

>>380665421
Both are way worse, so why chose either?
I7 7700K is just unbeatable when it comes to vidya.

>>380665564
enjoy your s---t-u--t---e--------r

>>380665564
Because you can get almost the same gaming performance for 100 dollars cheaper while at the same time crushing it in multi-threaded performance. Are you retarded?

Only a fucktard would buy a 7700K now.

>>380665697
>>380665564
>>380665481
>>380665421

Like a clockwork.

>>380665790
>almost the same
Yeah, sure.
Also, you keep forgetting

>more expensive RAM
>more expensive mobo
>generally bad driver support

>>380664612
You could get a 1600 and try to squeeze in a 1080

>>380665108
Singlethread Performance

Best to worst
7700k
1600x; 1800x
1700x
1600; 1700

Multithread Performance:

Best to worst
1800x
1700x
1700
1600x
1600

[this gap is necessary because of how btfo the 7700k is in comparison]

7700k

I hope this is simple enough for you to follow.

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>>380654776
Jesus Christ. I just looked up that i7 6900 only to find out it's 800 dollars. You'd either have to be rich or high to buy that shit.

>asking /v/ for technical advise
You should know better.
The first post in this thread actually claimed AMD CPUs use more power when it's the complete opposite.

/v/ doesn't understand computers, they just lean on brand perception unaware of the current states of the products themselves.

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>tfw you completely ignored all the fanboys on /v/ saying that one particular graphics is better than everything else on the market
>ignored my retarded friends who literally believe the shit from the fucking GPU/CPU adverts from companies
>did a fuck-ton of research, waited until cyber monday, spent the whole day finding the best deals
>ended up with a decent medium-range PC that can run most games on close to max settings with no performance issues

I honestly have no idea why people ask about this shit on /v/ of all places. All the information you could ever need is out there already or on /g/, all you need to do is stop being a lazy turd and look for it.

Also what the fuck America, why are your hardware prices so much lower than everywhere else?

>>380665804
>people replied to posts
woah, this really makes m- woah WOAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAT'S HAPPENING TO ME I CAN FEEL MY BRAIN IT HURTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY ALMONDS

>>380665938
How is RAM more expensive? RAM costs the same on all platforms, because they all use DDR4. Mobos are cheaper or same price for AMD. Either way you have no place to complain about mobo prices because these consumer boards are dirt cheap compared to my X99 board. You can literally buy a decent board for ~120 bucks on both platforms.

And yes, almost the same is correct because your graphics card is going to bottleneck you. Specially if you're poor enough to care about the cost of your PC - you're not gonna buy dual Titan Xps if you have a i7 7700K or Ryzen r5 1600X.

>>380666016

POOR FAG

>>380666198
The US is the consumer capital of the world and everyone has extensive shipping logistics set up to bring goods there.

This allows prices to be much lower.

Additionally, shipping from china to america is easy thanks to the pacific. It's like having a smooth flat road for 6000 miles straight. Whereas china to europe has all kinds of bullshit in the way.

>>380666334
>your graphics card is going to bottleneck you
Are you saying my 1080 is going to bottleneck my 7700K?
I doubt that, nigguh

>>380666281

This is new, never seen this pasta before in this kind of thread.

>>380666474
Yea it will. Unless you play your games at 720p or 1080p. The 1080 isn't that powerful if you dial up your settings to something above console peasant tier.

>>380666474
Instead of spending $150 more on an intel CPU for +4 fps. Upgrade your 1060 to a 1070 and get +40 fps.

It's pretty simple, I don't see how you can't grasp this?

>>380658576
>Getting a i& 7700k house fire
I can live with 10 less frames.

>>380666665
>Unless you play your games at 720p or 1080p
But I do. 4K is a meme I can't afford yet.

>>380666445
Hell yeah. I had to save for a while just to get my current build.

>>380666869
Why did you even buy a GTX 1080? Are you running a 144Hz monitor?

>>380666869
Yea well then you shouldn't have wasted your money on a 1080. I would hazard that by the time you get a 4K display the 1080 is gonna struggle really hard to run modern games at that res.

>>380667029
Yes.

>>380666730
>Upgrade your 1060 to a 1070 and get +40 fps
My post literally said I have a 1080, though.

>>380665946
the single threaded performance difference of Ryzen is almost nulified when reaching 4.0GHz on any ryzen 1600 or above.

>>380654776
lmfao what a fake chart
everyone knows ryzen destroys in cinebench

i have a i7-3820, do i need to upgrade it for future gaming? ( it works just fine with my watercooling desu)

>>380667298
No.

>>380660605
>6950x vs 1800x
>$1000 vs $450
>6950x actually gets worse minimums with an OC

holy shit

>>380666198
I made the same and I'm regret in the end. All that money to keep shitposting on the internet...

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>>380667445
>$1000

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>>380667648
oh wow

it also still costs about $1700 in canadollars

yikes

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AMD lost

>>380653598
I guess it's better than having an RFID chip inside your CPU.

>OP asks for gaming advice
>AyyMDrones start posting non-gaming benchmarks
>N-no b-bbut the l-less 10% is nullified with o-ooverclocking!
(lol

>>380667942
This image makes no sense.

>>380668078
still mad about losing in GTA V i see

>>380660605
>>380654776
Intel actually lost in this benchmark when you compare the price to performance value of the two CPUs, 1800X is like $500 cheaper than i7 6900k.

>>380668102

Don;t worry, your respond is considered normal for this board.

>>380656946
>having problems with my PC probably a virus FUCK
>bring it to the computer shop where I bought it it has a warranty anyway
>"anon, you installed an unofficial application, warranty is void."
>"We can't really fix it... but price for Windows cleanup and reinstallation is $80 tho"
>feelsbad.jpg
>come back later
>"Anon... I've got good news and bad news... infected cpu... price is..."
Resultat is $300 total... Guess I just have to earn more money.

>>380654776
The 1500x and 1600 are cheaper than the 6600k and 7600k, all this benchmark proves without that context is that Intels more expensive CPUs run better than AMDs lower tiers.

>>380657257
>>380656652
>>380657715
Maybe the solution is GPL video games.

>>380653740
yeah an extra 10 cents a month

>>380667942
The 1500x is a lot cheaper than the 7600k

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>>380653598
Of course. The R5 1600 is an incredibly good value CPU and I personally think it deprecates just about every single CPU Intel has except maybe the retarded Pentium and the 7700k for those who want 240Hz CS:GO. It does very well with old games and the trend is that games from late 2015 and up are finally starting to use more cores, it also brings in good minimums. You also get a nice placeholder for rpcs3 since it benefits having more cores.

>>380669542
That pentium has never been valid anyway. It's just a fucking meme because it can run games sorta competently . Dual core CPUs are hardcore dead-end and an utter waste of money.

Is this Ryzen build good or should I touch some things up?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hx6mZ8

>>380671094
doubt you'll be able to find an RX 580 because of ethcoin miners but if you can, grab that instead

spring for 16GB ram instead, it'll really help. maybe go for faster clocked RAM too, it really helps Ryzen chips

i'm assuming you already have an SSD and HDD? even a small 120gb is enough for the OS and a handful of games

>>380653598
Depends on what games/emulators you use.
If you like multitasking, definitely.
Else, not really.

>>380672215
ps2 one

>>380671541
120GB is barely enough for anything.
Even with 240GB I ran out just by installing Windows, Photoshop and 2 modern games (big games obviously the ones that need the quicker load times).

I bought an additional 480GB Intel SSD on clearance recently and now I'm more or less satisfied with the SSD space I have.
If you can get a 480GB SSD for $130 or even a 240GB it's well worth it.

>>380672554
I got a 240gb one for 70 dollars that's on the way.

>>380672554
>falling for the SSD meme
>PC "gaming"

>>380672554
What games? I have a 128gb from like 6 years ago as my primary and don't have any games on it. I had games, because I was playing them consistently, but not because they warranted better load times.

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>>380672819
>he can't afford an SSD

>>380671541
I have an existing 2.5 inch 1 TB hard drive. I'll invest in an SSD later on but at the moment I don't see the need to own one.

Intel i5-3450 here.

I have a 1060 GPU and want to upgrade my CPU some time in the future. /g/ told me Ryzen was worth it, but I want to stay on Windows 7.

>>380673257
You get 4 or 5 times the read and write times.

>>380673402
Then you're fucked. Although Ryzen works fine in Windows 7 afaik.

>>380673257
helps significantly reduce loading times and provides all-around better responsiveness for the OS and any programs installed on it

i'll never, ever, ever go back to a traditional hard drive

>>380673402
Ryzen works with win7. It's win7 that doesn't work out of the box with the USB in new chipsets.

Just keep your installation.

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>>380673402
>but I want to stay on Windows 7.
give me a non-memey reason that doesn't involve the word "botnet"
also Win 10 Pro keys are like $5 on ebay

>>380673627
Windows 10 Pro is free from MS using no CD key install.

>>380673627
>buying windows keys
Idiot.

>>380662538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0P8CxpI98w

Look at core usage. Its game dependent but you will get stuttering when you hit 100%.

>>380673627
better performance and compatibility

>>380658576
IOMMU groups are fixed, you don't need an ACS patch, although you may need a beta BIOS since AGESA 1006 hasn't rolled out on every board yet.

The bigger issue is nested paging tables. When npt is on (it is by default) you get great Windows performance but shit 3d performance. If you turn it off you get great 3d performance but shit performance in everything else, including just moving the mouse around the desktop. Part of the issue is it will lock to one core by default, you can fix this by disabling something called SMEP or sometimes emulating a Penryn CPU. I still notice some slight stutter in some games though, and it essentially makes Windows unpleasurable to use. (You may see this as a good thing, since it means you will be forced to use Linux for non-gaming tasks)

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>>380673713
the win 7/8/8.1 upgrade also still works if you say you're doing it for accessibility purposes

>>380673804
>he can't afford $5
stop being poor

>>380673842
performance, no. compatibility, that i can understand. but you could also just run a vm

>>380673234
>not expending that money on hitachi hdds/meme discs
>no expending it on better specs

>>380673436
>>380673556
Personally I've never had issues with using Hard Drives. I'll definitely buy one if I start to hate the read/write times.

>>380673873
You can do that, or you can do clean install without CD key if you want. It doesn't cost anything either way. Windows 10 is shareware and has ads in it, so you're only getting a marginally worse experience by using the "trial" version.

It's a shit OS but it works for gaming.

>>380673968
Why wouldn't you invest on making your PC much, much more comfortable to use?

If that means spending a bit more after getting the specs you want, worth it.

>>380660442
i7 2600k is about the same as a 6600k/7600k in multithreaded workloads actually. Hyperthreading typically increases performance by 30%, which is how much Intel's IPC has improved since Skylake. Also Ryzen is around Ivy Bridge-Haswell in single-threaded performance, while obviously an R7 it will kill Sandy or Ivy Bridge in multi.

>>380674212
>Oh wow my PC now boots 10 secs faster!
>Money well spent oh wait I never turn off my PC anyways

>>380674147
go back to /g/ and take your tinfoil hat with you
you can turn all that shit off

>>380674385
SSDs are important in multiplayer games because you can load maps faster and get first pick of classes/characters/teams.

>hurr durr you don't need it

With that logic you should run everything on an integrated GPU with minimum setting because a dedicated GPU technically isn't necessary.

>>380661108
In gaming? Nah, you're dellusional

>>380674385
You're forgetting the massive boost in desktop performance, where almost everything you do is hard drive limited.

>>380674636
Ryzen has haswell IPC. Clock for clock, it'll beat the bridges. You'll have to OC heavily for the same performance.

>>380674460
What are you talking about you mentally deficient gnat? I don't need to turn anything off.
Everything I need to turn off has been turned off. I use a legal copy of Windows 10 Enterprise on my workstation and I'm intimately familiar with group policies.

>>380674631
>Load the map faster
>Still has to wait for other people with 2007 PCs
So much for that

>>380674647
>What is RAM

>>380674385
Even just putting your OS on an SSD will noticeable improve regular desktop usage. No longer will installations or updates to programs stored on C: bottleneck your whole computer.

>>380662931
>1600x = 2-4% less singlethreaded performance than a 7700k (important for gaming)
Can you show some proof for that?

>>380674882
>doesn't want to spend $70 for an SSD
>will spend an additional $100 to have enough for a ramdisk

>>380674994
>He uses Winblows

>>380675085
>He needs more than 4GiB of RAM

>>380673590
>Just keep your installation.
Moving a Windows install from Intel to AMD or vice-versa typically creates problems in my experience, I'd always recommend to fresh install when making a change in mobos.

>>380675249
Well, some people on this board actually play video games.

hows windows 10 for gaming?

Is there any reason to buy Windows 10 at full retail price?

Isn't that what you're supposed to do if you intend to make money?

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wanna upgrade my processor. would a Ryzen be good?

>>380676029
I'm 99% sure that Ryzen is a new socket (AM4) so you'll probably need to get a new motherboard anyways

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>>380676029
>AMD FX

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT

>>380676335
Is Micro ATX worth it?

>>380676512
I think mATX should be the default option honestly. It doesn't command a price premium or cut a significant amount of features like ITX does so it's perfectly fine for 99% of people.

>>380676382
I bought it in 2015 and didn't know. This is my first rig build and my friend helped me.

>>380676382
fag

>>380672331
Ryzen should handle PS2/Wii with ease.
Cemu might be harder since it doesn't use multiple cores, but my R5 1600 does run Cemu better than my previous i5 3570k so it depends how recent an Intel CPU we're talking.

>>380676029
Honestly this looks like you need a new everything.

>>380673090
GTAV and Fallout 4 since they have terrible load times off HDDs. Between them, web browser, OS and editing programs as well as over provisioning, you run out of space.

>>380677149
I made this rig in 2015 with my friends help and had a small budget. So yeah. Probably gonna get a 1080, new processor, mobo, power supply, and RAM

i7 7700k or 1800X for gaming?

>>380676029

Get a Ryzen CPU, a matching motherboard and 8GB of DDR4 RAM. No point having a CPU that good with a shitty card, so get a 580 (if you can find one). And while you're at it, grab an SSD.

>>380677464
>i7
>Gaymen

>>380675846
Pros
>DX12
>integrated Xbox streaming app (you can use your own favorite of course, but having it integrated is convenient I suppose
>mounting and extracting are integrated into the OS, making piracy and downloading mods easier
>same performance as 7 depending on who you ask
>Game mode is good for toasters
>easy to install and has has automatic driver updates so pretty much everything is plug and play

Cons
>loses compatibility with some older games like every new Windows OS
>Windows desktop manager has triple buffering on by default, so you cannot play games with screen tearing (the framerate is unlocked still, there is just lightly more input lag then no buffering at all. Windows 8 has this same issue)
>Some DX9 compatibility issues that 7 doesn't have

>>380677347
I assume the GPU was used.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nQYwvV Just a cool $1000 then.

>>380675846
It has many optimizations that makes it perform better than 7 despite the bloat, you just have to question whether the privacy controversies are worth it.

>>380677635
Yep. My friend helped me build my PC and just gave me his 680 for free.

>>380677590
For the triple buffering point I forgot to write that windowed and borderless games have buffering always on. Fullscreen games can still be played with no buffering and screen tearing.

Should I shoot for a 1600x or a 7600k if im going to be playing games at 1440p? Im going to be pairing it with a 1070 gtx. What is a bit disconcerting is the 7600k being under full load in a lot of the games ive seen in videos.

Which is going to provide me a much smoother experience (minimal fps above 60 and no stutter) as well as having much more longevity?

>>380674385
>wasting that much electricity
>ignoring updates
>ignoring browser speed
>ignoring most new games have ungodly long load times off harddrives

>>380678747
It should be either 1600 or 7600k. The 1600x isn't really worth it unless you already have a beasty cooler with AM4 bracket.

Lifespan will depend on how the industry moves forwards. If multicore is the future, Ryzen.

>>380654852 >>380657297 >>380661523
Don't breed, even accidentally.

>>380678747
1600 and overclock it, easy to reach 1600x levels

>>380678747
1600x is safer.
Not only will he extra cores last you for longer (Intel is bringing out higher core count CPUs so we know that's the direction everything is headed this time) but also the socket is guaranteed to be around for years so you save money on upgrading a motherboard next time.

7600k loses out in most games, it's only going to get worse when games use more cores and the socket is no longer used.
The only reason to get it over the 1600 or 1600x is if you can find one used and you care mostly about emulation.

>>380679115
haha too late

>>380679231
>t. lying /v/irgin

>>380672819
>SSD
>meme

Pick one and only one

>>380654852
>actually being able to buy an AMD gpu

Are you high or something? Fucking crypto scum jacked the prices up 70+% in 3 months

>>380678747
>What is a bit disconcerting is the 7600k being under full load in a lot of the games ive seen in videos.

What games? I have the older 6700k but I also haven't played any new releases.

>>380679271
you're just angry because retards are knocking bitches up left and right while you're whining on /v/

>>380662116
10 neet bux

>>380679369
I get laid, but I ain't jealous of having a kid.

>>380679646
T. german.

>>380679875
>misusing t.
Uh oh

>>380679362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>380677501
>8gb of ram
>being a ramlet
16 is the new 8, ignore him