The great debate

>>380649860
Bloodborne, debate over

>>380650780
this

BotW

>>380650780
Fpbp

>>380649860
The pile of shit that the neighbour's dog took in my backyard, because these two piles of shit are in my house and that's not as good.

>>380649860
I played both and i can't decide. Maybe BotW... No BB... NO BOTW NO BB.
GREAT GAMES

Bloodborne is a really good game. Breath of the Wild is literally one of the greatest games of all time. Not really fair to compare them, can't we just be happy as gamers that they both exist?

>>380651262
No. You must choose a side or DIE

>>380649860
No debate. They're both great and everyone should find the time to enjoy them

Bloodborne has dungeons

>>380649860
Acquire currency, purchase both, and shut the fuck up you fucking pussy.

I still replay bloodborne because i like to do single play throughs with each different weapon

Haven't touched zelda after the first playthrough

Bloodborne is mediocre and stale.

BotW is fun and fresh.

BOTW is a really good game. Bloodborne GOTY is literally one of the greatest games of all time. Not really fair to compare them, can't we just be happy as gamers that they both exist?

>>380649860
Bloodborne

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>>380650780
Gonna go with this

>>380649860
But they're nothing alike. The play and feel 100% differently from one another; there's very little comparison to be made between them.

unironically my two favorite games

>>380649860
Both are trash

I would say Bloodborne, but I read after beating the game that the story is a huge critic to the catholic church and religion itself.

So I chose BotW.

>>380651694
They are both "open world" action rpg games with stamina and weapon durability

They are quite similar actually

>>380651768
haha, classic response!

BB will be remembered for years
BOTW will be remembered for ever

>>380651857
Bloodborne is pretty linear, not in a bad way. That's a weird comparison.

>>380651857
BB is an RPG
BOTW is an action adventure with minimal RPG elements and puzzles

>>380651983
Basically this. Bloodborne will be surpassed by another Souls or one of its clones (maybe even DS3 already did it).

BotW is unique and will be forever considered a good game like its predecessors (except Skyward Sword). The next Zelda will probably be very different and add another gimmicks that will make it also unique and timeless.

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>one game has character creation
>the other doesn't

Zelda makes it impossible to have a weaponfu to since they'll break way to easily

>>380651857
Except Bloodborne is definitely not an open world game. It has some non-linear elements, but it's not like you're free to explore a wide landscape. The game is a bunch of interconnected hallways and open rooms.

Breath of the Wild is an open world game through and through.

>>380651859
They really are trash. Want to play a better open world game play Witcher 3. Want to play a better action game then Nioh is for you

>>380649860
Bloodborne

>>380651526
Why would replayability have anything to do with the quality of the game? Besides I've spent around 200 hours in total in botw, and I've spent a little less than 100 in Bloodborne even if I've played it twice.

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One is Kino
The other isn't

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The TRUE great debate.

>>380652664
Let the sonnygger dream a little, for them The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War and the new Spider Man are the best movi--GAMES of all time.

>>380651115
Never ever

>>380650780
fpbp

>>380652760
/thread

>>380652804
Man, I'm really concerned that Odyssey will only have 6 worlds in total and that they are focusing on the exploration and walking rather than the platforming.

I have a bad feeling that the maps will be too big, there will be too much senseless walking, too much stupid quests (like the musicians one), little platforming and the gimmicky of possessing things will be quite useless.

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>>380649860
This

>>380653150
watch the treehouse

>>380653218
Remember when people thought this would compare to bloodborne? We were so naive back then because it was disappointing.

>>380652352
I like this image a lot friend.

>>380653340
>Remember when people thought this would compare to bloodborne?
You're right, it surpassed in every single way

>>380653273
What did they say/show there? I'm trying to go blind, Treehouse is showing too much of the game.

>>380653340
I still have the betas downloaded so I can claim the rewards once I buy it.

>>380649860
they're different types of games
but you also have to remember only Nintendo fans would have played Zelda and only Bloodborne has been played by people who have a PS4

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>>380649860
What the fuck is this? They're two completely different games with different playstyles, one focused on exploration and the other on combat. They're both very good and I don't see a reason to compare them.
t. idort with both Switch and PS4

>>380650780
FPBP

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>Zelda is playable on PC
>Bloodborne will NEVER EVER be playable

For fucks sake there is still no proper emulation for Demon souls

>>380649860
Have you moved from shitposting with Horizon to shitpost with Bloodborne instead?

>>380649860
Bloodborne is a shitty and incomplete game without it's DLC.
BotW is revolutionary game wich is gonna get even better after the DLC is out.
With the DLC it's a closer fight and I'll actually say it becomes a matter of personal taste.

>>380649860
equating these two is fucking retarded, the only thing they have in common is that they are both 3rd person games where you hit your enemies with things.

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As an Idort BOTW > Bloodborned

both are spectacular though.

>>380653613
blame cemu supporters

>>380649860
BotW, no question.

Both are excellent and my GOTYs from their respective years (so far of course). I'd give the edge to Bloodborne though.

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>>380653785
>PS4 Pro

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>>380649860
Both are great but id say i liked breath of the wild more.

Bloodborne just sort of felt like a step down when compared to the original dark souls when it came to the things i really liked about that game (the interconnected world design & exploration)

BOTW

>>380651779
You....you would choose Bloodborne if it weren't for an unpopular rumor that isn't even true? Where are you located on the spectrum because that's a new level of mental incapacity.

>>380654195
Problem?

>>380653785
>>380654268
DELET

Zelda fanboys will say Zelda is better. Bloodsouls fanboys will say Bloodborne is better.
This thread is pointless

Bloodborne is easily the best game of this generation, however BotW will be remembered because of how it deviates so much from the previous installments

>>380649860
i liked bloodborne more but i haven't played BOTW so idk

>>380654321
If I wanted to read pathetic atheist arguments I would read jokes like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens. When I play games I just want to relax and appreciate the gameplay. If Bloodborne is indeed a critic to religion, then I consider it utter shit and will stop being games made by Miyazaki.

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>>380649860
>BOTW steals bloodmoon from bloodborne

>>380649860
I would definitely say Bloodborne, it's a much tighter and more focused experience. BotW has some interesting concepts but lacks pacing and strong core content. BotW is basically if chalice dungeons were the whole game.

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>>380655021
That's some serious autism you got there.

>>380655237
the HUD in zelda is absolutely disgusting

>>380655021
Oh, you're just a faggot troll trying to start shit. Nevermind.

>>380655237
You know bloodmoons are an actual thing right?

bloodborne is the most overrated game on this retarded board.

>>380655406
Why though? I don't think my post was unresonable...

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>>380650780
>>380650934
Because it's on your Playstation? What you can notice here is that they are not using one argument. Let me tell you why BotW is 500 times better than all those disgusting From shit games:

Actual level design: Verticality instead of just fucking ladders and tilting your stick, puzzle-solving, platforming elements, physics.

Actual interactivity: You're a part of the world, you can destroy it, it can destroy you. Everything has an AI, even animals (From games don't even have anything but mobs and bosses). You can climb and jump over fences, do whatever you want. In From games you can't even jump over a fucking stone, everything blocks you.

Combat isn't as repetitive: Positioning matters, many gimmicky fights, no iframes, parrying is actually advisable (in From games you barely have enough frames since otherwise parrying would be overpowered in PvP, so just shielding or abusing iframes is the way, way better option). In From games basically every single mob and boss is just targeting it, tilting stick to left or right, pressing dodge button when boss attacks for 30 iframes, then attack boss or mob once or twice, repeat. Every single enemy in the game. There basically is no exception. Pic related. You can also shield but this adds a huge trial and error component to the game since you never know how much stamina attacks drain.

Also villages, music, colors, humor, fun. And Zelda is actually perfectily polished with perfect hitboxes and consistency.

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>>380649860
They're both good in different ways but if I had to choose between one or the other it would be Bloodborne every single time, no debate, the combat is much more realized and the feeling of satisfaction from boss fights in general elevates it miles beyond anything BoTW can offer, sure that game provides a great sense of exploration with it's huge world, but it also has to make a LOT of compromises to achieve that, Bloodborne's smaller scope makes it able to do great level design + tight combat

>>380651779
I actually rather BotW, but man you are retard

>>380655665
Great, can you actually prove you played any of these games?

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>>380655665
No From game has any level design depth or allows actual fun or optional ways for puzzle-solving. BotW has the four titans where you can even skip entire puzzles if you're clever enough which feels so amazing.

Please don't compare your shit From games to this masterpiece.

>>380651619
Confirmed dor not playing BB

>>380655819
Could provide an actual answer as to why you think that? Saying I'm retard adds nothing to the discussion, just makes you look like an actual retard.

>>380651779
Eh not really, I'm Catholic but choose to play Bloodborne as a Crusader slaying demons since that bloodborne disease turns men into beasts.

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>>380655875

>>380652285
Th bias its unbelivable.

>>380655875
From's level designs are great, but BotW dungeons designs are on another level yes.

>>380655507
I've not seen another bloodmoon in a videogame before Bb.

>>380655875
>>380656052
Vah Naboris > Vah Ruta

>>380653759
>BOTW
>Revolutionary

Its a fuckig fallout anon.

>>380656215
BotW was in development before Bloodborne though. Aonuma himself said he never played any Souls game once, but he said he was aware of them.

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>>380655665
There is literally no redeeming factor From games have. They're just hyped up NeoGAF memes because of the "if you don't like this game, you are not hardcore" marketing.

>>380656169
>From's level designs are great
No, they are not great. They are fucking garbage even beaten by this clone game "The Surge" that was just released and has better level design, verticality and just more intuitive gameplay and tandem with the world where you can actually jump over everything there is and stuff like grass meshes have a collision detection.

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>>380651857
>Bloodborne
>Open world

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>>380655665
This shit just doesn't happen in a Zelda unless you're looking for it actively.

>>380656215
and? Even if that's the case they're functionally different in both games.

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>>380655665
From games also have the worst archery EVER in a video game while BotW has some of the best archery ever which is just extremely intuitive. You can always just switch to bow and headshot an enemy or use the environments, shoot barrels etc.

Dark Souls has invisible walls everywhere with arrows getting stuck. You cannot recollect arrows for some reason and the controls are fucking garbage tank shit.

I can pick Bloodborne's DLC alone over BoTW.

>>380650780
BotW was a good game, and even a great Zelda game, and a superb open world game... but I'm going to have to agree. BB subverted my expectations, and aside from a a few shitty bosses, it kept my interest throughout.

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>>380656793
Meanwhile this is just fun.

>>380656826
Because you are either a NeoFAG Sony drone falling for the "you are hardcore if you like our games" marketing or you just have shittaste. We know, anon, we know.

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>>380650780
>This is OP replying to his own thread

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>>380655665
Anyone who says Bloodborne just proves he can't into syllogism and logics and has no clue about video games. From games are fucking cancer.

>>380650780

This

>>380649860
Never cared for zelda, and thought bloodborne's combat was trash and slow as fuck.

So neither

>>380656851
>subverted my expectations
Did you expect it to be slow paced like Dark Souls? Cause the speed is what surprised me.

>>380656613
?
Flurry rush shit the bed on me constantly though?
>Dodge nowhere near an attack? Flurry rush triggers for some reasons.
>Literally dodge through a Lionel's attack perfectly? No flurry rush trigger and eat a follow up while stuck in a dodge animation.

Amazing how Sony manages to beat Nintendo with just one game. I'm genuinely impressed.

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>>380657210
>things that never happened
>thinks what he describes is comparable with glitches and just unpolished shit game design

>>380657210
What surprised me the most was I expected it to be van helsing and got mindbending ayyylmaos and craziness. Literally haven't seen a bait and switch like that since MGS2.

>>380656930
That looks really gay.

It also plays gay.

>>380657198
See.
>>380657436

>>380657443
There's nothing wrong in "gay", stop using this word as a negative adjective.

>>380657436
This your first exposure to lovecraftian horror?

>>380657392
Some nigga' made a whole video about it, and yes, it happened to me frequently. The dodge detection to trigger flurry rush was all over the place, but feel free put your fingers in your ears and yell your heart out.

>>380657392
Can I masturbate to you feet?

>>380657259
>more buggy than elder scrolls

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>>380657443
Yes, what we want is spamming 30 iframes dodges 60 hours throughout the game, then press shoulder button for attack, then iframe dodge again and repeat.

So awesome.

NeoGAF 4tw.

>>380657647
t. faggot

>>380657654
Not exactly. I read color out of space and shadow out of innsmouth, but that wasn't what I expected when I played the game

>>380657862
I bet I fucked more hot girls in my life before becoming gay than you in your entire existence.

>>380657874
Ok, just felt it was rather expected twist myself.

>>380657827
Even when bloodborne is glitching it looks beautiful. I love it.

>>380657960
>STOP USING LANGUAGE I DONT LIKE!!!!!!!

>>380656930
>neogaf
>bloodborne is hardcore
Nigga I just like the game more holy shit fuck off you are cancerous.

>>380657647
Maybe if you're gay.

>>380658039
Not me. I didn't know shit about BB when I went in. I knew shit got real when I found the other workshop and saw the amygdalas.

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>>380650780
fpbp

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>>380656397
>implying that From somehow stole the idea and then went back in time and incorporated into their game retoactively some how

Bloodborne came out 2 years before BoTW

>>380656449
>>380656052
>>380655875

Botw has some cool level design, I'll play it for sure but I prefer the action in Bloodborne, to me Bloodborne/Souls has the action that OoT could gave been. Multiplayer is awesome in BB too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaRxy0XIRCg

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>>380658163
>Nigga
You are literally borderline retarded. Of course you prefer the kusoge.

>>380655665
Zelda also actually has a varied, beautiful world while Bloodborne is just another Souls rehash with nothing but dark, static corridors.

>>380656215
Terraria has had bloodmoon for years

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>>380656793
From games are pure trash. They always were. Just compare King's Field with Majoras Mask. Hell, even King's Field 2.

>>380658403
I wasn't implying From stole the idea, I implied that the Zelda team probably didn't took that idea from Bloodborne at all, the fact that the two games have bloodmoons is probably just a coincidence.

>>380658408
You're actually autistic

>>380658408
Are you finished with your daily epic shitpost yet?

>>380649860
Zelda is obviously better. For once I agree with reviewers and sales.

Just look at this:

>>380655665
>>380655875
>>380656449
>>380656793
>all those actual arguments in favour of Zelda

>literally no arguments in favour of Bloodborne in the whole thread, just fanboys saying they prefer it or ad hominem children like >>380658669 and >>380658743

>>380651619
This. If it was BOTW vs Dark Souls, the argument might be more interesting. BB is Dark Souls 2.5 with more shitty design.

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>>380658412
Cool, that's a 2D game right?

>>380657827
>>380657259
>>380657061


>Posting glitches so rare that 99% of people who played Bb never experienced
>Ignores the rad a fuck boss fights

>>380658408
Why do you keep replying to yourself?

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>>380650780
This.

Years from now BotW will be remembered as 'just another Zelda game' meanwhile BB will be looked back on as perhaps one of the greatest games of the generation.

>>380658854
>FROM GAMES ARE SHIT WAAAH WAAAH WAAAH

Sure the argument in favor of Zelda shows.

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>>380655665
>Someone typed this

The one thats KINO

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>>380658408
>>380658593
>>380657827
>>380657259
>>380657061
Like it or not but the soulsborne franchise will probably go down as the greatest ever made.

>>380657647
neck yourself faggot

>>380649860

I hate it when I break my weapons in bloodborne and I throw them away.

>>380655665
>>380655875
>of
>>380656052
>>380656449
>>380656793
>>380656930
>>380657061
>>380657259
>>380657827
>>380658403
>>380658593


>Accuses other people of being mindless drones

Just fuck off with your autistic game franchise that has stopped being relevent 15 years ago. Nobody cares about Zelda apart from manchildren, actual children or (((vidya journalists)))

>>380649860
What is there to debate? In the matter of 3 weeks BotW outsold Bloodborne's lifetime sales it also is the 5th highest rated game ever.

>>380660095

Uh, but I like Bloodborne, you quoted me out of context bro >>380658403
>>380658403

>>380660221
>sales numbers

So you admit that PS4 is the best console system of the last 4 years?

>>380660221
>What is there to debate? In the matter of 3 weeks Adele outsold Mozart's lifetime sales it also is the 5th highest rated singer ever.

>>380660545
Not him, but Adeles doesn't have critical acclaim, she's only liked by idiots. Mozart and Breath of the Wild both are acclaimed by the public and the critics.

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>>380650780
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...(breathes in)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>380660516
it did a better job than wii u and xbox one if that satisfy your autism
also
>sales doesn´t matter
lol

>>380649860
Bloodborne is better than AssCreed, even with the Zelda Mods.

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>>380649860
Maria...

>>380660698
Flaseflag sonnygger. Don't answer if you consider yourself not a retard.

>>380655398
Good news! You can turn it off and only have your hearts visible.

>>380656397
>Aonuma himself said he never played any Souls game once
He's missing out

BotW is fun, but the combat is dull and the puzzles are painfully easy.

Bloodborne has an awesome theme and setting, faster paced and more punishing combat with a better feel and more customized to different playstyles

I'd say Skyrim > Dark souls > LoZ, same as 11/11/11

>>380649860
i haven't played either of them.

>>380651779
Wow, you're a massive dickhead
Why would you care if something criticises the Catholic church? Can things not be criticised any more? Have you not been paying attention to the current Pope? All that dude does is criticise the way the church has been for the last century
Secondly, it's more of an incitement of religious fanatics than any specific church or religion
Thirdly, if you would let something like that spoil your enjoyment of a good game then you're the exact kind of religious dullard that makes the rest of your kind look like assholes to the rest of the world

>>380649860
It's simple.
For children - Zelda
For grown up - Bloodbourne

>>380661303
for children - Zelda
for manchildren - Bloodbourne

>>380649860
BB is a GotY contender that got cucked by TW3. BotW is a leading candidate in game of the generation and can be placed beside any game that considers itself one of the greatest.

>>380660687
>but Adeles doesn't have critical acclaim

https://www.thefourohfive.com/music/review/adele-25-144

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/music/2015/11/19/album-review-adele/yAeYOjfi13ORKBp8ikjtXO/story.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/adele-25-20151124

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/what-to-listen-to/adele-25-review/

http://www.avclub.com/review/adele-returns-much-better-place-25-228637

http://ew.com/article/2015/11/19/adele-25-ew-review/

I love the souls games, and if Dark Souls 1 or Demon's Souls were up there I would probably pick them.

But BOTW is superior to Bloodborne, Bloodborne has a great look but gameplay wise Zelda is superior.

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>>380660698
>>380660698

>Sony bros shooting their brains out because of Zelda open world
>Nintenbros being good at math

lmao in that pic (BB) 94+ (U4) 93 = 185

BoTW = 97

187 >>>> 97

Sony Always Wins

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>>380661508
Ew.com

Lol

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Hey guys

maybe both games are good

and you should get a job, buy both consoles, and play both games

because they're good games

just putting that out there

>>380661298
>Why would you care if something criticises the Catholic church? Can things not be criticised any more? Have you not been paying attention to the current Pope? All that dude does is criticise the way the church has been for the last century
I don't care if it's a good critic, but it's higly unlikely that I will find one on a videogame. If a vidya is talking about religion it's almost always senseless shit. You mean Bergoglio? He's not a Pope, there hasn't been a Pope since they made the Council of Vatican II, I'd recommend you to read about the sedevacantism movement. Nonetheless the Catholic Church is still a sacred institution, it's only its hierarchy that has been compromised.

>Thirdly, if you would let something like that spoil your enjoyment of a good game then you're the exact kind of religious dullard that makes the rest of your kind look like assholes to the rest of the world
I don't care about what you think to be quite honest.

>>380661703
What if I own both but have a preference?

>>380661680

Nice argument.

Popularity and sales numbers is just a fallacious argument.

>>380651262
>BotW
>One of the greatest games of all time
Maybe if you're under the age of 15

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This isn't comparing apples to oranges.

This is comparing eggs to broccoli.

>>380661383
>manchildren

Why do only men get terms like these?

You never see "Womanchildren" since that shit is equally as idiotic.

>>380661879
have you preference but don't expect to draw a meaningful conclusion when comparing apples to oranges

But BB is just an edgy sickdark Zelda clone?

Anybody who tries to tell themselves that BotW should be 'Game of the Generation' or anything similar is kidding themselves
It's fun, sure
It's big, yeah
It's deep, not even close
It is a vast shallow pool that is a good time to splash around in, aside from the main quest there are like 4-5 worthwhile sidequests in the game and everything else that's fun is literally only worthwhile until you've been everywhere which takes different amounts of time to do depending on who you are
I explored the entire place in about 70 hours
I got about 1/3 of the Korok seeds because they weren't fun or amusing to find
I completed all but maybe 10 of the shrines that I just couldn't be bothered with because they had grown old and boring
And that's it, the game is empty, there's was no challenge after about 20 hours because there's 0 enemy variety and the only thing they can do to them is give them more health and damage
It's just really shallow

One of the greatest games of all time, potentially the best in one of the oldest and most critically acclaimed series vs a hack and slash with one of the most depressing and repetitive atmospheres ever.

One takes a sequel and turns everything on it's head while preserving the core charm of the series while the other is the third IP from a company that exclusively makes Dragon Souls games but this time it's easy and less rewarding.

>a flawed game vs a flawless game
Gee I wonder

>>380662557
Have you even played bb or u just another 12 yo nintend drone?

>>380662438
>I explored the entire place in about 70 hours
>there's was no challenge after about 20 hours
don´t get surprised if people tell you have autism, you kind of deserve it

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>>380662626
>BB
>Flawless

>>380649860
>>380650780
Nintenbro here, this guy is right. Shouldn't even be a debate.
still going to get a switch though

>>380661409

Geralt of Rivia cucks a lot people. BB is no exception.

>>380662981
Funny how u could tell which one is which ;^)

>>380662557
Bloodborne is an ARPG, Bloodborne can be very difficult, depending on a variety of factors, especially for Souls veterans initially because the controls are different, the action is faster in BB and BB features guns and transforming weapons something the othe Souls game dont do. Also BB doesn't really use shields like the Souls games do.

>>380661782
>I don't care if it's a good critic, but it's higly unlikely that I will find one on a videogame
But you wouldn't know would you, because you stopped playing out of fear of the criticism

>You mean Bergoglio? He's not a Pope, there hasn't been a Pope since they made the Council of Vatican II, I'd recommend you to read about the sedevacantism movement. Nonetheless the Catholic Church is still a sacred institution, it's only its hierarchy that has been compromised.
If you're a true Christian, Catholic or not, his name is Pope Francis and he is your pope, you can choose to ignore it all you want, I know you people are good at sticking your heads in the sand when things are said that you don't like
But you don't get to just choose to ignore the Holy See and still call yourself a good Catholic
Pope Francis is your Pope whether you like what he says or not
The Cognitive Dissonance that you people go through whenever you want to ignore things like this is truly baffling

>I don't care about what you think to be quite honest.
Yeah, that's clear from the actions of your people, maybe if you'd like to be a good Christian you should start caring about how your actions make others think of you

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>>380663039
more people play and will play and have played Skyrim than W3

know who took RPG of all time on Gameinformer? Skyrim

hurts, doesn't it? It's like getting cucked but instead of some big muscled black dude your gf is going down on some fat austistic retard with herpes

>>380661072
I don't get the combat criticism. What was bad in botw was the lack of variety in enemies. The only good mob were the lizalfos(elemental and jumping). Botw needed more bosses like thunderblight ganon who were actually fun to play against because you couldn't just spam arrows at him to win.

Combat wise, From games are just roll, roll, hack. I don't get how that's fun. It's more punishing because the bosses are better than in BOTW not because the combat is better.

>>380663217
The fact that there's no shielding is what makes it a simple God of War clone. Just hack and slash. Like a rubiks cube the only talent involved is memorization instead of strategy.

>>380662829
You wanna explain why?
Because I didn't have trouble with a game made to be completable by actual babies? Or because I didn't struggle to explore a world with literally no depth?

>>380663329
So what you're saying is that W3 is like a dumb nigger?

I liked Bloodborne more. Doesn't mean Bloodborne is perfect though. Some bosses are down right abysmally designed and story Chalice Dungeons are fucking god awful.

>>380663329

Are you autistic or something? (Don't answer that, I already know that the answer is yes). I made a joke in reference to Geralt's promiscuity in the Witcher games, but apparently it just went right over your frothing fanboy head.

>>380663260
>But you wouldn't know would you, because you stopped playing out of fear of the criticism
You know who Graham Oppy is? I read one of his books and would say he make good critics on religion and the existence of God despite not agreeing with him. It's definitely much better than shit like Dawkins or Hitchens. Now, how many (if any) videogames are at the same level of Oppy? If Bloodborne is indeed a critic on religion then I very much doubt it is a good one.

Now about your second point, the Church is fine, its dogmas are fine, its followers are also fine, but its hierarchy has long been contaminated by the germins of modernity, the Pope is a fraud and there's nothing wrong in saying that, it's not only because of his "progressive" statements but by the series of bad decisions that the Church and its leader has done in the last couple of years.

>>380650780
fpbp

>>380663537
you can play god of war by simply mashing the buttons until you get to a lengthy QTE event.

>>380649860
I see you've moved the goalpost from Horizon to Bloodborne because Horizon was jank junk.

>>380663537
Incorrect. The term Hack and Slash refers to immediate inputs while an ARPG like Bloodborne has delayed inputs, in other words hack and slash game rely on reflexes while Arpgs require more thought and delayed execution.

Lmao People would turtle in PVP in DaS so much that it would make some fights a turtle vs. trutle match where people would hide behind shields and peek out from under them once every 5 minutes, shit gets boring.

Strategy? lmao good one, I can tell you never played BB, and certainly not online.

>>380663550
I´m 19, my 14 years old brother and his friends are the only people i know to be excited about BB, he beat it without many difficulties
BB is a good game but
>muh mature difficult game
come on

>>380650780
>2nd worst soulsborne is better than BOTW
I agree

>>380649860
BotW

BB was good, but BotW was better. Not that they're really comparable.

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>>380661072
>I'd say Skyrim > Dark souls > LoZ
>Skyrim > Dark Souls

>>380664231

>mashing buttons
>GOW
>He didn't play it on hard

>>380664238
>BoTW is better than every single game put together!

>>380655665
>Also villages, music, colors, humor, fun
>music
Be less obvious next time

>>380661782
Buffet religious are the best religious.

Thanks for proving what we all knew.

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>>380653613
at least monster hunter is back on a sony platform vita friend

Bb still has standalone threads zelda not so much

>>380664165
I really don't get this, if the criticism is bad why care? Like, why not just enjoy the thing and ignore the overtones
For an example I enjoyed C.S Lewis' books immensely despite every single one of them being thinly veiled Christian propaganda, you just don't let it affect you and enjoy the thing

>Modernity is bad
>Progressive statements are bad
>The church should stay the way it has always been
This is possibly the single most harmful viewpoint for a person with your religious views to have, there is no merit in holding on to the things of the past just because they were in the past, if the church can't move forward and evolve then it will simply continue to become more and more disconnected from the real world and more and more ineffective and useless than it has pretty much always been
If our societies and the state of our world is changing it's because God planned it to isn't it? Therefore he would want the Church to progress alongside it would he not?

>>380660980
lmao

>>380664165
Oppy is dumb. Dawk at least is based on something.

Enjoy your version of Ancient Divine Revelation (tm)

>>380664919
Bait threads and /tv/ shitposters don't count.

>>380664356
I'm not talking about Bloodbourne, I literally never said a single thing about it
I am talking about BotW, so why not address my points on it instead of distracting from them?

>>380652664
If I can play a game 5 times and still have fun each play through, it's a good game

>>380664976
>if the church can't move forward
>forward
>"progress"
fuck off you degenerate piece of shit and kys

>>380665292
Are you kidding? That's your argument? That we should resist progression?
Or are you so stupid and stuck in 4chan rhetoric that you think progressive literally just means what those ridiculous Tumblr losers say it means

Easily Zelda, i personally dont own a ps4 so to play ps4 games i go to my cousin's house from time to time, he brought BloodBorne and i heard good things about it, but desu, its pretty boring. The atmosphere is terrible, it lacks depth, all bosses are roll and hit(the only boss with depth was that dancing creature) and thats pretty much what it has to offer. I personally didnt experience any glitches but i plainly say its boring.
Zelda on the other hand felt really great, but then again, this fucking comparison is ridiculous. Zelda is the superior one, in my opinion, but this comparison lacks context, they arent even close to each other in design or in any way possible aside a freaking blood moon that works differently.
Horizon would be much fitting to be compared to Zelda, tho those sort of threads are repetitive.
Sonybros and nintenbros should stop trying to ruin each other, creativity is the biggest factor in a game at the end of the day.

>>380665484
no, what i mean is that your arguments are riddled with holes. you say "why can't the church move forward" when you don't even define what "forward" and "progression" mean. you sound like every other relativistic shithead

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>>380649860
both are my favorite games of the decade, but if I have to choose I choose Bloodborne

>>380665684
Alright
Why is it wrong for the church to follow the things the current Pope has been pushing for, wider acceptance of different peoples, beliefs and lifestyles, co-existence between the religious and the non-religious without the pushing of one side over another, the lessening of the church's influence over the non-religious aspects of people's lives, the church not hoarding money and instead becoming the charitable organisation it was meant to be, the acceptance of science and it's co-existence with belief, that love and kindness should be the most important thing in the way people treat others

There is more but those provide a pretty good understanding of what I'm talking about

>>380655237
you can beat the beasts several times? or why are there x1, x2 counters?

>>380650780
>nintendogaf
hahahahahHAHAHAA

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>>380649860
>Botw is Mario 64 tier game that gives the player such a huge amount of control
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aM_GKoxCNNA
>Blood Borne is the dark souls spin off that no one will remember because it wasn't on PC
The differences will be clear in 10 years
>people will still be playing Botw trying to find the fastest possible way to beat it or beat it without jumping or attacking.
>Blood what?
Blood borne will be considered a cult classic(probably the best souls game among its fans) but not much else. If it's lucky Sony will have gone bankrupt by then and it gets a steam release sparking some life into it once more, It would become a must buy for dark souls fans buts that's about it

>>380664976
C.S. Lewis is not propaganda, his books were literally made to educate children on the christian values, he is not forcing anyone to read them.

>If our societies and the state of our world is changing it's because God planned it to isn't it? Therefore he would want the Church to progress alongside it would he not?
What you have to understand is that the world is facing a huge decline in moral and values, and I'm talking about something like the last 200 years of so. This is not about the Church staying in the past, but about society evolving to become more and more degenerate each decade, progress can be done without degeneracy. During the Middle Ages for instance, the Church created the Universities, hospitals and was one of the biggest contributors to science, huge progresses were made at that time and the moral values of the population were the highest in that era. The world of today is infected by the germins called modernity and all its degeneracy, the job of the Church and its hierarchy is to combat those things, not join in it.

>>380660221
I guess GTA V is the best game of all time then, debate over

>>380667120
That's actually not a bad image
>Some 80 year old dudes yelling "HAPPY FEET HAPPY FEET, WOMBO COMBO"

>>380665684
Not the guy you are talking to, but you sound like a massive shithead. The funny thing is this is probably the perfect example of why your viewpoint is wrong from what I can gather, because by opting to not play BB out of a knee-jerk reaction you failed to see it actually has a very valid criticism of religious institutions, in my estimation. The extent of its' criticisms, for the most part, are almost exclusively on the corruptibility of principles when associated with an organized institution that benefits from being right by gaining power and influence.

The best example of this idea the game presents is embodied in the character of Lady Maria. She saw what the church was doing in order to attain its' goals and those actions went against her inner values, so she decided to leave and ultimately atone for her peers. This can be interpreted as a metaphor for the big religious debate of the last millennium about the nature of man and the place of god in relation to man. Is morality objective? does it come from scripture or from within? if it comes from within, can that be interpreted as the manifestation of god within us individually? If not are we just following his dictatorial guidelines with little to no free will?

This also can be a proxy for the Hobbs vs. Locke view of rights and many other things. Point being I think you are being miopic and I think closing yourself from criticism, even bad criticism, is dangerous in the long run.


Also you can just ignore the lore altogether and just appretiate one of the best atmospheres and soundtracks in the history of gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mByDcrNSV0

>>380667268
Eh, I consider it propaganda when I'm a 7 year old reading those books and I figure out Aslan is Jesus and it's trying to tell me how cool and awesome he is and how if I don't follow him I'm on the wrong side and will be left behind while all the true believers get to go to the better world

Moral values degrade in some people but not all, you're talking about highly relative concepts, you don't need to be religious to have moral values and worth
And if the church's role is to fight that moral degradation then shouldn't they be doing it in a way that will fit the current times instead of trying to enforce outdated values onto a world that is no longer compatible with them

>>380667858
>will fit the current times instead of trying to enforce outdated values onto a world that is no longer compatible with them
What exactly do you mean by that? How do they need to fit the current times if it is exactly the current times and trends that should be fought?

>>380668783
I mean that things change, they always have and they always will, we don't live in small communities ruled by monarchs anymore, we don't need the church to explain things like why the sun rises and why diseases happen, there is a reason the teachings of the church are having less and less effect and impact on people, it's because they don't fit anymore, the old ways don't make sense because we know more and we see more and we do more

The current times aren't inherently evil or degenerate, that's a ridiculous view, we are simply exposed to more of the degeneracy of the world because of how easy it is to see and find in an age of globalisation
It's like people who say there's more violence in the world now which just isn't true, you can just see it easier

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>>380650780
fpbp

Boring open world westernshit can go die, fuck Nintendo for bending over to that audience.

>>380649860
Bloodborne

>>380655665
You know, I thought you made a decent argument here until you started samefagging a bunch of clips of _glitches_ in BB and DS as criticisms of gameplay, as though any game is glitch free.

>>380664562
dude, the game is so easy literally kratos could play it.

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>>380667858
>it's trying to tell me how cool and awesome he is and how if I don't follow him I'm on the wrong side and will be left behind while all the true believers get to go to the better world

>There is literally a part of the books that flat out says anyone that does good is OK in God's book regardless of their actual faith.

Did you actually read the series all the way through, or did you just stop at Wardrobe?

>>380671314
All of them, and yeah they do say things like that, but every good non-pushy religious thing in those books gets overshadowed by The Final Battle, that book is fucking gross

I think bb probably has more replayability and holds up well despite being another game in a genre of similar games, whereas BotW excels in the novelty of several of it's mechanics which may not stand the test of time when they're folded into future open world games. I think in another year or so it'll be easier to call blood borne the winner, but for now at least I'm still more into botw

>>380667268
>progress can be done without degeneracy
do you even understand what degeneracy means you meme-loving fuck

There's nothing you could change with Bloodborne to make it unarguably better except performance.
BotW is much more hit or miss. A lot of people seem to love it but from previous experiences in the series, they could have made almost everything except the sheer vastness better.

So I'll go with BB.

>>380671606
...The Final Battle is the book that has that passage in it. It's the one where Aslan says anything done for Tash that is good is still good, and anything done in his name that is evil is still evil.

I'm not getting where the hate's coming from, I don't remember anything particularly gross about The Final Battle, save Susan not being able to come back to Narnia because she no longer believes in it which I thought was an asspull.

>>380650780
this and i've never played BB

>>380649860
They're like day and night. You need both.

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>>380671304
>>380671018

>Kratos

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>>380669538
>we don't need the church to explain things like why the sun rises and why diseases happen
What a way to reveal the troll, you made it too obvious with at that part.