Melee thread

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Blue Samus

>How skilled are you?
Decent. I'd say 5/10 maybe?

>Do you go to tournaments?
Nah, but it'd be fun as a learning experience.

>>380646216
>Sheik
>Decent
>Yes

Considering getting into netplay sometime soon, internet at current apartment sucks though.
Fortunately there are a decent number of people at my college who play, our scene's grown a bunch the last year. Friday night smash and drinking is fun.

>>380646216
>Falco
>Not very good. My best run was 7-2 in the shitter bracket at a regional
>Yes

Falco

Placing top 8 often at locals. Noticing steady improvement when I play

Yeah. Used to travel with my friends quite often, but they all have different schedules now. We still run events in the area though.

I am enjoying melee a lot more now that I shifted my focus from PM. I still play PM when it is available though.

Trying to bring back my cities scene currently. Kinda tough, but folks are starting to show interest.

>>380647328
Out of curiosity, what do you think you are lacking in your gameplay?

Falcon
Shit, but can occasionally do cool things
Occasionally, but I keep going to big ones and drowning in pools

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I always liked Fox before I knew he was the esports champion

Link
IDK
NOPE


I live in the middle of Kansas. There is like one Nintendo fan for every hundred Xbox/Sony fans.

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Peach
>How skilled are you?
Good by casual gamers standpoint but I would get myself destroyed by anoyone that learned the inticacies of the game
>Do you go to tournaments?
No, I hate to play competitive fighters, I just play with friends for fun

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Samus
>How skilled are you?
Been practicing for ~2 years and I'm still kind of shit.
>Do you go to tournaments?
Recently, but I go 0-2 when I show up. Pretty strong region, at least

Link and Villager.
Skilled enough to enjoy myself.
No I can't stand tournament settings, but when my friend dragged me to one onetime I won. Fuck metas.

I main Bowser :(
Emotional support is welcome

>>380646216
>Captain Falcon/Samus
>Shit, but not dogshit tier.
>Fuck no.

>>380648369
Consistency. I've gone from tearing through 6 sets in a row with no breaks to losing to someone I 2-0'd in pools. My mental game is weak and I crumble easily.
My neutral is also kinda weak, and is mostly reliant on laser dash dancing.

>>380646692
>Blue samus
>Melee
Melee doesn't have a blue samus skin you fucking fraud.

>Who do you main?
Falco

>How skilled are you?
ok, i usually get a few rounds into my locals

>Do you go to tournaments?
yeah

>>380649201
Consistency is hard with Falco. Such a glass canon.

>>380649276
He probably means the purple suit, which is what she wears as her blue outfit in teams.

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>want to start going to tournaments again
>too spaghetti

Why can't these things be run by just putting me into a little cubicle and it's like a glory hole situation where the guy on the other side beats me at melee instead of fucking my mouth
Why do I have to go around to 300 people asking "are you GayFuckLord3000?"

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>>380648982
>Villager
>melee

>>380649201
I have a hard time stuffing approaches. Falco has a ton of tools to prevent this, but my opponent gains a ton of ground by just hitting me with a dash attack.

Im working on playing much safer in neutral, using my better hit boxes to stuff other attacks, and improving my defensive options.

My punish game and tech skill are both very good, but its bridging the gap in neutral that tends to be tricky.

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>>380646216
Falcon
Pretty bad. I joined a /vg/ netplay tournament and got trashed by a Bowser player because I didn't know how to chaingrab him.
No

I can't get over the fact that this game has no buffering. At least Smash 64 was pretty slow so it didn't hurt my experience with it, Melee is just irritating to play sometimes. And I got rid of my CRT so I can't even play it "lagless" anymore which turned me off from the game. Haven't practiced in a long time.

Falcon but with a ton of secondaries
I'm from southern California, which makes me an automatic 8/10
Not anymore, but I'll stomp fools in casuals

>>380649903
Melee on dolphin has been lag less for a long time now. Leffen's home practice is exclusively on PC, netplay or local.

>>380646216
I live in the middle of fuck nowhere with 500+ ping so I'm stuck in 20XX training pack purgatory

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Falco, and Jigglypuff
>How skilled are you?
I can hold my own in 1v1's with both, and since picking it back up, many more people started dedicating their time learning to play better.
I would love friends to play/practice with over the summer, though.
>Do you go to tournaments?
No money, but I would love to.

>>380650159
Thats the region for getting good for sure. Midwest is a little tricky. There are pockets of talent, but most of the time its a 3+ hour drive to anywhere with a major scene

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>played this a fuckload as a kid
>unlocked all characters from nothing but playing matches with friends/relatives
>decide to dig it and my gamecube out from the attic
>nothing but cables and the gamecube with the disc inside
>disc scratched to shit
>no memory card

NOT FOX
MUCH MORE SKILLED THAN FUCKING TOURNEYFAGS
NO WHY WOULD I DO THAT

t./v/

>>380651169
That's your own damn fault for treating your property like shit.

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Yoshi
>How skilled are you?
I get decent results in tournaments
>Do you go to tournaments?
Yes because that's the only way I can play smash (no friends and no pc powerful enough for dolphin)

>>380646216
Yoshi
#1 in region
Yes

>>380649675
It's good socializing practice. Nobody will judge you or think you're weird. Unless you have BO.

>>380649739
Make sure you can do retreating lasers. That might be what you meant by "dash dance lasers", but I've seen a lot of low-mid level Falcos that can't. I jump back and forth with lasers in neutral in place of dash dancing (though I mix them in here and there).
In terms of stuffing approaches, you mainly want auto cancel backair (really quick backair from short hop, no endlag if done right), and uptilt. They're really good for walling people out, but they require you to be turned around so it can be hard to transition between this and lasers.
The other option is you preemptively stuff them with laser/dair by jumping into them.
I also really like ftilt for spacing (probably because I'm actually a Sheik main), only do it at max range though. Laser > ftilt right at the farthest distance where it still reaches is really safe and great for gaining stage control. Catches them a lot because at that range they think you're going to jump with another laser or dair.

Donkey Kong
I'm shit, getting better slowly
Never have and never will

Overall i just loose fun and motivation if i have to spend time working to get better.

>>380646216
Roy

Average

Every time I've played with random people at conventions they've been complete autist cunts. Can't imagine how much worse an official tournament is so no.

>inb4 "Marth is better"

>>380652573
I feel good about all of those tools mentioned, but my practice buddy beats a lot of my options with run into shield to take space from me. (Fox) Any ideas for a counter to that? Perhaps dash dance grab?

>>380652425
#1 Yoshi in region, or #1 player in region?
Which region?
Don't know any regions with a top Yoshi.

>>380646216
Really like The Captain.
Honestly used to be pretty good. If say a solid 6.5 of 10.
Now I could barely walk across the stage without fucking it up somehow.

Related note, I main VILLAGER!!! in Smash 4

>>380652425
hi amsa

>>380653159
#1 player in Kings County NB.

>>380653131
I use laser grab a lot. You don't get the best follow ups, but it makes people stop shielding your approaches so much. Also I guess practice shield pressure more, you're Falco, so presumably you should be able to power through his shield safely, but it's hard and takes work.
One approach I really like to use, but don't see used very often so maybe it's not good, is you laser approach normally, jump in at their shield like you would for dair, but instead shine on top of their shield and then jump out. If it catches them you can get a follow up hit, though not necessarily a huge punish because you just burned your double jump. If they jump out of shield you can usually catch that with dair too (and some players instinctively shine or grab OoS, you can just come down with dair then).
While it doesn't get the best follow ups, it's really safe if they do shield it, and lets you reposition and come down with dair. It seems meh whenever I think about it, but I get surprisingly good results with it.

>>380646692
>Who do you main?
Link/Fox
>How skilled are you?
I've never played seriously with someone else, so i have no idea. I did beat classic on very hard without a cont. though.
>Do you go to tournaments?
I've considered it.

>>380653367
Ah, not very familiar with the Canadian scene overall, especially its subdivisions.
Is there a decent scene in NB?

i am ranked 4th in greece. Ask me anything

>>380654112
There's three small cities in the South each about an hour away from eachother. Each city has a handful of players that constitute small weeklies. In the middle of the three cities is one small town and a surrounding area of villages. I am the king of the middle of the triangle.

>>380654295
Are you afraid of your country's impending catastrophe and Europe's tanking?

>>380654649
Grexit soon brother.

>>380654295
i hear greece is free af, can you confirm?

>>380654498
That's fun. It's nice to be top in a small area, but it's nice to be able to have some people better than you to play with. Do you travel out to bigger tournaments?

>>380653939
If you're in a region with a good scene, it can be fun to try one out.
They're not for everyone, but most of them are really chill and much better than the stereotype /v/ will present them as. There's usually a lot of newer people too, though if you've never gone before there's a decent chance you'll get bodied by most people. But that's where most people start. If you don't mind it and maybe have a friend to go with, it's nice to try one out.

>>380654295
How long did it take you to git gud?
Also, how do you feel about the massive immigration right now?

>>380654918
4 people know how to actually play the game. Only one of said 4 people is Decent at it, (isdsar, ranked 1, of course)
Greece is free, but we ain't as bad as: Italy, wales, maaayyybeee belgium and probably other countries like portugal, chech, poland etc. I would say greece is in the top 10 of EU countries.
That being said, again, from rank 5 to Last, these people don't know how to play because they never cared enough.

>>380646216
>Main
Peach (Daisy)
>Skill
Less than decent but not bad
>Tourneys
No

Peach is great. I try other characters but Peach is the only one I'm good with. Gotta learn to pull more turnips though.

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>>380646216
Marth. Okay. Naw.

When's the next major? CEO?

>>380655197
I'm not good lol. My best performance was getting 3rd at a german tournament of 30 people.

Greek people aren't very welcoming when ti comes ti migrants, because, well, they are muslims and greeks hate islam. Migrants don't stay long in greece anyway, they move to another country, mainly germany, sweden and co, or are being send back.

>>380655035
>That's fun. It's nice to be top in a small area, but it's nice to be able to have some people better than you to play with. Do you travel out to bigger tournaments?

I wen to Toronto once and played with some competitive Toronto players and got my ass fucked and one of them was a real dick about it too.

>>380654796
You think so? If France can't get out how can you?

>>380646216
>Mario
>Well enough. Went to a few conventions and threw down whenever I saw some melee action and won more than I lost so i'll say 7/10
>No real tourneys tho. I live in Kansas and the Midwest ain't the best place for tourneys

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>>380655474
from my tiny scene's fb group lmao

>>380655035
How's Vegas?

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Post some netplay stories. Positive or not.

I got absolutely smashed the other week and decided I'd try to play some games at 5AM. I immediately got one guy from my region to accept a challenge and as it turns out he was hammered as well. For some reason, our ping showed <8 but the lag was obscene. So, we just pumped the buffer up to retarded levels and played anyway. There was no less than a full second of input delay, but we kept going. It was all read based. You could not perform any execution heavy shit whatsoever. We kept playing for an hour or two before I got to drunk to do the most basic stuff and went to bed.
It was probably the most fun I've ever had playing online.

>>380646216
im a shitty westballz red falco wannabe. havent gone to a tourney yet.

>>380646216
As someone from SoCal I always wonder if other regions are actually free or not. As long as your regions top player isn't a wobbler I feel like there is still some skill involved in being being the best of any region.

>>380646216
>Who do you main?

Vanilla Falco.

>How skilled are you?
Not very. I barely practice any tech, lose patience easily, and go 0-2 at my local consistently.

>Do you go to tournaments?
Yes. Just not that often.

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Falcon since the day the game came out. I don't even know what other characters do.

>How skilled are you?
Netplay makes me feel like I'm not good, but I think I could do better than 0-2 if I went to a local

>Do you go to tournaments?
No

>>380655868
We tried getting out back in 2015. They wouldn't let us of course. It can't continue like that, people are fed up. Every single young college graduate in greece can not find a job. You have physicists, talented mathematicians, pharmacists, all people who i personally know and even friends of mine who hope to get a job as a barman or pizza delivery boy. Either that or they Find jobs in other countries, which is what they do. All of the gifted people are leaving greece. I don't know what is going to happen, but it will happen soon.

>>380656293
You really should try to get your ass to a local. It's a very humbling experience, because the people who go there aren't just netplay warriors, they are more dedicated than that, so there is quite a skill gap. You haven't experienced true Melee until you've had your shit stomped in in person.

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>>380646216
What can I do to get the most out of Luigi? I've been maining him for a few months now and he's extremely fun to play as.

>>380656176
netplay warriors are really shaking things up, regional strength may be more homogeneous in 2-3 years

>>380655953
Eggnawg? isdsar told me he took the first 3 games and then he was sandbagging because, in his words, he (egg) is a gimmicky shield grabber and extremely unfun to play against. Now i don't know what to believe. Apparently he is very friendly irl but a trash talker online.

>>380655953
Peter A.
yeah.

>>380656021
Well, there's EVO.

www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/wiki/facebook
This has all the facebook groups, I think vegas is in there. Not sure if it's active.

>>380655574
>that webm
my fucking dick, do you have any other good dash dancing webms?

>>380656590
accurate description of playstyle and personality

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>>380656842
I wish I had the one with Ice vs Armada, but nope. I guess I could just make it, but I'm lazy.

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>>380656859
I really wanna play with him. But i am stuck in germany for another 2 weeks.

>>380656590
>Shield grabber
Countering shieldgrabs is one of the first things you learn, isn't it? How do you get gimmicked out by fucking shieldgrabs?

>>380656842
https://youtu.be/PeMTve-qb90?t=120

Literally my whole playstyle is Dash dancing to pivot f smash

>>380657215
There's more to shieldgrabbing besides pressing A while holding shield.

>>380657151
saved

>>380656590
>gimmicky shield grabber
>2017

>>380657023
>Ice vs Armada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pM-rxPMyP8
@0:22
Absolutely nuts.

People playing Melee for tournaments or the newer Smash Bros.?

>>380657215
timing your shield to fuck up l-cancels, esp easy with big shield chars like sheik, which this player is a main of

>>380657583
Depends what tournament you're going to kek.
You probably mean which game is more popular for tournament play? It is melee.

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>>380657390
DELET THIS

>>380657592
Powershield, shield ASDI/SDI and like you said, timing.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13201076

Let's get this shit started. In my opinion, ledge grab limit is stupid because it'd be hard to enforce. The suggestion I've heard is that after a time out, they look at the ledge grab counter and the player who exceeds it is DQ'd.
If a player is in a situation where he knows he's grabbed ledge a lot, but finds himself backed up against the corner where a ledge grab is the safest option, should he not go for it in case it costs him the game? It just sounds weird to me.

>>380657951
Just add a feature to 20XX Tournament Edition that makes you no longer able to grab the ledge after a certain number of grabs in a game.

>>380657951
People are being real babies recently. The game is fine but HBox starts ledge camping people laser camping him and everyone loses their mind like the meta is broken. Give it some time to adjust.

>>380658402
this is unnecessary, vanilla melee shows how many times you've grabbed ledge in the stats screen

>>380658402
>Just reprogram and standardize a modded version of the game we've played vanilla for 16 years

>>380658748
We need a modded version anyway. To fix port priority, dash back, etc.

>>380658595
See
>>380657951
>If a player is in a situation where he knows he's grabbed ledge a lot, but finds himself backed up against the corner where a ledge grab is the safest option, should he not go for it in case it costs him the game?
The player needs to know what his options are.

>>380658585
I don't really know why it's a discussion at all. M2K has always been notorious for ledge stalling. The whole ''M2K on the ledge'' thing was a thing long before even EVO2013. I would say it's the influx of new players that's causing the uproar, but you see older players whine about it as well. I don't understand. If it wasn't a problem then, why is it now?
Not like we haven't experienced worse with Armada's YLink vs Hbox in GF, camping each other out for 8 minutes per game.

>>380658595
So if someone wins a game by eliminating the other player's stocks, but then they check the ledge grabs the winning player went over the limit, they lose?

Players are going to make sure to check the grabs after every game?

>>380658748
You realize all majors run on Wiis now running ISOs eh? It's literally just a matter of which you run. Some are already running TE anyway.

>Pikachu with a hat
>Pretty shitty, will never be Axe
>No

>>380657951
Ledge grab limit would absolutely fuck Yoshi since he regrabs the ledge every time he tosses an edgecanceled egg.

>>380646216
>Ganondorf
>Fine, good at reads and mindgames 6/10-ish
>Eurofag. What tournaments?

>>380659034
Tons of regionals/locals run a mix of 20xx iso, memcard hacks (TE), and vanilla setups. A know a bunch of top regional players who always prefer to play on the vanilla setups. Creating a new standard for the game that every tournament will be required to run on all setups is a logistical nightmare.

>>380658963
Port priority doesn't need to be fixed and would be a difficult task to accomplish regardless.

>>380659034

LGL would be for preventing ledge stalling, it wouldn't affect games where someone isn't doing that. It wouldn't be something stupid low like 10, the number I've heard thrown around the most is 45. You can't accidentally grab the ledge 45 times with no intention of stalling

>>380659697
>Creating a new standard for the game that every tournament will be required to run on all setups is a logistical nightmare.

Th fuck are you talking about "new standard".

Tournaments set their own rules. If a tournament doesn't have all 20XX TE set-ups they can make rules reflecting that. For majors that are running only TE they can use the ledgegrab limit built-in mechanic.

>>380659954
Every tournament is going to want to run the national standard ruleset; there are a bunch of TOs that want to ban wobbling but don't because it's allowed at nationals.

You either make a new standardized ruleset or you fracture the community.

>>380657951
>>380658402
LGL isn't hard at all to enforce as the end game screen tells you how many times you grabbed the fucking ledge.
>>380646216
falco
dunno really, sometimes it feels like I can beat almost anyone around here in friendlies but in tournament I choke pretty hard.

>>380660520
>LGL isn't hard at all to enforce as the end game screen tells you how many times you grabbed the fucking ledge.
Three times has this argument been debunked now.

>>380660285
>Every tournament is going to want to run the national standard ruleset
Then they can go ahead and do so.

>You either make a new standardized ruleset or you fracture the community.
Except that there's nothing to fracture the community here if the "national standard" is a ledgegrab limit. The only thing that would fracture it is a discrepancy between some tournies having one and some not having one, but really even that's not going to fracture the community since people will play by the rulesets of the tournament they attend. however here we're talking about something that is already working within the framework of their being a ledgegrab limit. The difference is between having the limit enforced by a referee and having the limit enforced by the game. Either fucking one of these things works, but having it enforced by the game where possible is easier and more convenient. There is no conflict here.

>>380660654
I don't know what you're getting at. It's a fact that it shows how many times you've grabbed the ledge, you can't debunk that

>>380660654
lmao are you talking about

>So if someone wins a game by eliminating the other player's stocks, but then they check the ledge grabs the winning player went over the limit, they lose? Players are going to make sure to check the grabs after every game?

please tell me you're not

Can we put a grab limit in too?
Tired of losing to Marth desu

>>380660520
>LGL isn't hard at all to enforce as the end game screen tells you how many times you grabbed the fucking ledge.

Okay so aMSa beats Ice at Big House in a game five set. However Ice insists on checking the ledgerabs. aMSa, having utilized Yoshi's ability to hang on the ledge and sling eggs repeatedly to push back opponents from the ledge, edgeguard, etc, grabbed the ledge 47 times in using his character essential edgecanceled eggs. The counter shows that aMSa has lost the match.

Is this acceptable?

>>380660743
Again, check at least some replies before trying to jump into a discussion.
>>380658981
>So if someone wins a game by eliminating the other player's stocks, but then they check the ledge grabs the winning player went over the limit, they lose?
There is no reasonable way for the player to know how many times he's grabbed the ledge and if he finds himself in a situation where grabbing the ledge is the optimal option, but might be close to the ledge limit, what should he do? Take a wild guess, go for the ledge and risk losing the game because he went over? Or, do something stupid and lose the game anyway?

>>380660935
yes, that how tourney rules work. if you break them you lose, how is this hard to understand?

>>380660935
yes
aMSa should have known the risk in doing that.
It won;t be too hard to develop an internal clock of how many ledgegrabs you've done in a game anyways the more you play with such a ruleset.

So how often do people actually run into games where a LGL was needed?
Is everyone just that salty about HBox vs Armada/Leffen?

>>380661124
>>380661192
Are we also going to limit Puff's pound stalls? They obviously slow down the game.

>>380661124
>>380661192
So basically you want to make sure that Yoshi is no longer competitively viable by imposing a rule to do so.

>>380661053
grabbing the ledge in general is a riskier play than people make it out to be, especially for yoshi since his ledge play is so frame intense it's very easy for even players like aMSa to kill themselves occasionally. Except when it comes for puff vs much of the non fox cast where any puff can basically ledge grab infinitely for free.

>>380661384
rising pound stalling is already banned lmao, just like peach bomber stalling; please read a fucking ruleset or go to a tourney before you talk

>>380661403
Yoshi doesn't need the ledge though, yoshi will often die just for grabbing it, his ledge stall is NOT free and generally you should just let them be since they are more likely to kill themselves than get anything off of it.

>>380661313
Wasn't it Hbox vs Chu that started the recent discussion about it? Don't see the problem, really. Timing out Ice Climbers who wobble should be encouraged.

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>Who do you main?
Game & Watch

>How skilled are you?
Not great but not complete shit either

>Do you go to tournaments?
No. I usually play against friends but that's it.

>>380661594
You're limiting Yoshi by a lot. His eggs are an incredibly powerful tool since they do so much damage and being able to chuck them without much risk is huge for the character.
The problem is that people are so opposed to time outs and I don't really know why. It's a game mechanic like any other. Sometimes there are time outs. It's just dependent on how people play. It will happen. Just live with it for fuck's sake. It's not like ledge grabbing is broken in any way.

>>380659883
>LGL would be for preventing ledge stalling

So then it wouldn't be applicable if the game is won by taking all stocks?

>>380661594
>Yoshi doesn't need the ledge though

Yes he literally does, Ledge-canceled eggs are 100% essential to Yoshi in competitive play, especially against characters like Peach and Jiggs who can easily pressure the ledge not only from on stage but ever from above.

Removing the Yoshi ledge-canceled eggs is a death sentence to a character that already struggles competitively. So how do you build a ledge-grab limit around this?

>>380646216
peach
non skilled
no i just play a ton of 20XX

>>380661631
I guess it contributed, but HBox mainly stalled by jumping above the ICs reach, he could have stalled just as effectively without the ledge.

>>380661594
>Yoshi doesn't need the ledge though
He absolutely needs it to help get out of corner pressure because his shield and rolls suck, and good players like aMSa don't die just from grabbing it.
What is this logic though?
>Yoshi going to ledge isn't even good
>It's good that we make him even worse at it

>>380661561
Rising pound stalling is banned when you do it far offstage or under the stage, not if you do it overhead like HBox did against Chu.

Anyone else really love Melee's graphics. I'm still blown away by how modern and impeccable they look. And I'm not even a big graphics guy!

>>380661816
It's not about avoiding timeouts, it's about avoiding noninteractive play and game balance.

It's about preventing games like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNaAUJZz5k

>>380662273
Kongo Jungle is fucking banned though. That's an unbalanced stage for the reasons seen in the video. That's not the same as banning mechanics. Non-interactive play is part of some character's playstyle. The game isn't always about going in all the time.

>>380657951
When m2k went to the ledge against Westballz he forced him to camp stage because if he goes even near the edge m2k has such an advantage is actually unfair.

Fox and Sheik can deal with it, maybe Marth, but almost every other character is fucked. Is unbalanced and stupid.

>>380662273
>It's not about avoiding timeouts

Wait I thought it was about avoiding timeouts.

If it's not about avoiding timeouts then someone can take all their opponents' stocks but still lose because they use the ledge too much to do it? What sense does that make? Now you're trying to limit people from taking stocks the "wrong way"?

>>380662271
Yeah, I think it looks great sans a few notable exceptions. Fucking Bowser and DK.

>Who do you main?
Falco, Luigi, Pichu if I'm bored

>How skilled are you?
Not great. I can maybe 6/10 somebody on an equal skill level as me

>Do you go to tournaments?
No. I can't stand competitive Smash culture and also I suck.

>>380662273
That game had nothing to do with ledge stalling and everything to do with DK64 being a bad stage.

That's an easy strategy for anyone to abuse there in the right matchups.
With ledge stalling, anyone who isn't m2k or hbox is putting themselves at a big risk against a similarly skilled opponent. We've seen Armada deal with it fine before anyway with dtilt stuff, and Mango usually just goes in and has been relatively even with HBox recently without games descending into campouts.

>>380662592
I'll give you DK but bowser has never looked bad to me.

>>380662592
I wish everyone would shutup about bowser looking different. Get over it, it's a different model, it looks badass not gay.

Curious though, what's wrong with DK?

>>380662884
right but does ice climbers actually have the tools to challenge puff at the ledge?

>>380662271
I love them too, they've held up really well. All the animations are very smooth and pleasing to watch.

>>380662618
>I can maybe 6/10 somebody on an equal skill level as me
Wouldn't they definitionally not be equal to your skill level then?

Youre all idiots.

No one is saying make the edge grab limit based on total grabs per game, but prevent continous ledge grabs from occurring, since it constitutes stalling. Same reason why wobbles are limited to 300%.

Make the re-grab limit 20 continous seconds per minute, or counted at continous10 regrabs.

>>380662987
Melee DK looks kinda shit because his texture doesn't look remotely like fur, he's strangely lanky, too short. Even 64 polygon DK looks more like he has fur.

Smash 4 is really the first time DK has looked good in a Smash game.

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>>380662936
>>380662987
I'll give you Bowser, occasionally, but sometimes it just looks awful.
I need to find that DK trophy, it's actually hilarious.

>>380663042
I'm pretty sure desync'd ice blocks and blizzards handle it just fine. Dizzkid has said that's the way to handle it too.

Sopo's at a big disadvantage against Puff on the ledge, but then Sopo's at a big disadvantage against Puff anywhere really.

>>380663067
good idea but good luck enforcing that without some kind of hack.

>>380663067
>Make the re-grab limit 20 continous seconds per minute, or counted at continous10 regrabs

The problem with rules like this that aren't enforced within the programming of the game is now you need a fucking referee standing by to watch all off-stream matches just in case because you know there will be scummy fucks who will push the luck then deny it

>>380663067
>No one is saying make the edge grab limit based on total grabs per game
>No one
Almost everyone making the argument is saying to check the total number of ledge grabs at the score screen at the end of the game, or implement a counter in 20XX.

Making a specific like 20 continuous seconds per minute requires either some really specific and arbitrary mod counter or a TO to watch every set played, or have players tracking it/calling it even if there's a close skirmish at ledge.

>>380663154
I guess I see what you're talking about with his textures. It's like when I played double dash the first time. Everyone looked so plastic.

At the same time I really don't like what they did in brawl or Wii U. Fox looks incredibly gay and is so overdone, Mario looks fucked in brawl with all these stitches on his overalls. Something about overly detailed characters for no reason triggers me.

DK isn't terrible even though his texture is bland and legs are so tiny

>Who do you main?
Red Falco/Green Falcon
>How skilled are you?
I don't really play anyone but friends most of the time, but when we do play others we clean house with locals. Probably 6/10 or so.
>Do you go to tournaments?
Not as often as I'd like to. Melee is dead in my area. It's all smash 4 and I want to die.

>>380657951
LGL is only for pussies. The people complaining about ledge camping is usually spacie mains i.e.leffen/westballz. What's funny is that they play THE UNDISPUTED best character with the most overpowered move and have no right to argue for a ledge grab limit. Limiting hungrybox would make his wins that much sweeter. It's if you could imagine there being a shine limit. The autistic rage would be insane.

t. fox main who does okay at locals but hasn't gone to any tourneys to see how good I really am.

>>380663759
>Melee is dead in my area. It's all smash 4 and I want to die.
You have my condolences.
Have you looked into netplay?

>>380646216
Main reason I dislike melee is that my two favorites, Ness and Young Link are low tier. If I still played I'd probably play Peach or Samus.
I don't have anyone to play melee with now and the people at my uni smash club are all potheads.

>>380664141
Also I fucking suck, and not just at melee but fighting games in general.

>>380664141
A lot of smashers are smokers. Are they dicks about it?

>>380664298
I can't say, I didn't interact with them long, but I'm allergic to basically every weed under the sun so it is a problem. Shitty genes.

>>380664141
YLink isn't that bad. Ness is atrocious, but you can pull nutty shit with YLink.

>>380663905
Thanks anon.
I have a little bit, but haven't done much else but look. I imagine I'll pop my netplay cherry soon though.

Link or Young Link? Or is it really as simple as whether you want dex or str?

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>Main
Samus, Link
>how Skilled
eh
>Do you go
every now and then

Melee is one of my favorite games ever and the first one i took competitively, and its a shame because the melee community is honestly one of the WORST fucking thigns I have ever seen, terrible obnoxious hero worship. so many fucking autists, downright rude people

I branched out into other fighting games and i have never dealt with the awfulness found in the melee community
even in the "true" fgc
not in sfv, not in rev 2, not in smash 4, not in tekken, fucking nowhere

Why do melee players have to be so downright awful?

>>380664551
Thats gotta be a tough environment then. Some folks are really respectable about it, but others can just stank up a venue.

Not that venues arnt stanked up already, smasher bo is rough. Always bring an extra stick with you

>>380664814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeP47-UwGQA

>>380646216
>who do main
fox, falco, marth

>how skilled are you
less than decent. 4/10 maybe

>do you go to tournaments
occasionally, but i don't go that far in bracket

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mfw I start playing Falco/Marth

>who do you main!?
>oh you know
>falco/marth
>fox/falco
>falcon/falco/fox/marth

just roll your eyes

>>380664824
I've found it to be fantastic in person, such as local scenes, regional tournaments, etc. Great group of people to chill with or see at tournaments.

That said the online community can be really bad. There are good pockets tucked away, but I've been getting pretty tired of the mainstream fanbase.

>>380664814
Think of it as sturdy vs nimble, I guess.

>>380665821
my local scene is a bunch of assholes
To be honest I almost want to switch to smash 4 because people are more tolerable (+ Melee Fox is cancer)

>>380664824
I've had the exact opposite experience. Everyone has been super nice and helpful. I think it's a regional thing.

>>380665690

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Recently ended up with this from practicing tech skill with Fox. Was only playing in like 20 minute spurts.

Take care of your hands, guys.

>>380666123
This thread was up first, but I'm in both.

>>380666017
I'll agree with >>380666020, sucks to hear that your local scene is like that.

>>380666308
Geez, what were you doing?
Remember to do some stretches beforehand.

Never tried any of the fan mods, how do Project M or 20XX hold up?

>>380646216
Luigi

Shit, but I'm trying to get better

Go to locals just to watch and maybe some friendlies

>>380666530
Shine grab, reverse waveshines, B reverse lasers, a bunch of stuff.

Another player told me afterwards I should have spaced out every 5 minutes of intense practice with a 5 minute rest to give my muscles time to adjust. I've heard of people grinding tech skill for hours though so I'm thinking my hands might be particularly delicate or something. Which is a shame considering my main.

>>380666726
20XX is just a training pack that features some nice things like flashing white when successfully L-cancelling, or having characters shine a certain colour when they're in hitstun, making it easy to see when you're doing a true combo.
PM is another game and not a mod of Melee, but of Brawl. It's really good and a lot easier to learn than Melee due to the buffer. Characters are a lot better too, so you can pretty much pick any of them and you'll be able to do well, unlike Melee where certain characters are just fucking bad.

>>380666726
20XX is more of a practice tool than a traditional mod. Immensely useful though. Has some extra stages and skins which can be fun too though.

Who do you main?
Pichu
How skilled are you?
Hard to say, since no one plays this character, but I've spent a lot of hours on him. USA, btw.
Do you go to tournaments?
It's the only reason I play Pichu. I'll go to local tournaments whenever I can just to see if I can fuck up some wannabe M2Ks who can barely play Fox. One time I got as far as semifinals, but it wasn't a very big tournament and I kinda got lucky since my opponent was a no-show.

>>380646216
I main peach and Samus
Skilled?
I can't wavedash tactically
Which is to say I can, but in a fight I usually won't use it right
Tournaments are never nearby

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Marth
>How skilled are you?
I'm decent.
>Do you go to tournaments?
Only local ones.

>>380667616
What are matchups like with Pichu?

Fuck smash

Sheik
The best
Nope

>>380668291
Very painful.

>>380668543
For you.

>>380668617
Tell me about Pichu. Why does he wear the shades?

>>380664814
Young Link is MUCH better than Link. Young Link has some decent matchups since he's pretty quick and has good projectiles, Link only stands a chance when he's preying on matchup inexperience because he's so damn slow that he just gets invalidated as a character by top tiers.
However they're both fun to play and have some neat tricks.

>>380668291
They're as bad as you think. It's really hard to approach because of Pichu's horrid neutral game, so most of the time I'm just hopping around to see if I can cheese a nair into an unsuspecting opponent and maybe lead into another aerial and then a grab. It's a bit easier against characters that aren't Fox, Falco, Marth, or Sheik, but those are like 90% of players so it's never a good matchup. I usually just get my ass handed to me, but it's fun to see what I can do.

>>380668806
I don't know if I'd say Young Link is MUCH better. Link can snatch some good kills/edgeguards with up b, and he probably lives longer and deals with crouch cancel better.

Falco
Below Average
Not yet, but I intend on going to my first local next month. I'm going to get fucked so hard because I live in socal.

I've been thinking of switching to another character since my right thumb has been getting irritated easily lately, but fuck man I love the bird.

>>380668853
I'd imagine Pichu has a rough time, if not worse against Peach too. Hard to combo/kill, CC dsmash invalidates most approaches, nair trades with everything in the air.

>>380663531
If we dont need someone supervising the wobble counter, we dont need one for ledge regrabs.

>>380667020
Im still recovering from tendonitis in both of my hands because of fox.

Its been almost a year now, the reason being i can't fully stop playing.

>>380669173
That's because a wobble is:

1. Harder to perform.
2. Has an actual counter on screen that players and TO's can look at right there during gameplay to see if it's going to break a rule.
3. Is a slower process that is easier to pay attention to.

With ledge grabs a TO can't come over and see on the screen how many times the player has previously grabbed the ledge, the opposing player as well has to keep count in their head just in case among other things going on and has to be prepared to signal over a TO. If the TO is signalled over then it becomes a he-said she-said and the game grinds to a halt.

This headache could be avoided by just having a mechanic built into the game through 20XXTE if a ledgegrab limit is established.

>>380653127
Actually like way better desu

Cons are total shitholes, melee tournaments are normie as fuck, occasional autismos and azn foreign exchange students excepted

>>380669010
The thing is YL can effectively lame out Jiggs, Peach, and ICs if you're willing to run and throw forever.

Link has a retarded punish game on fast fallers.

They're probably best paired.

If you didn't hear about it, Chudat is now a part of Team Liquid. And smashgod is Rishi.

>>380669010
No Link can't get really edgeguard with up B's semispike unless your opponent is bad (or maybe rarely against captain falcon), they can just grab the ledge and punish you while you're stuck spinning around for a couple seconds. Even if you somehow hit with it at low %s your opponent can recover and punish, might as well just ftilt or something. It's good against day-1 players but that's about it. And the strong hit isn't that strong.

Link's recovery is great if your opponent doesn't know the matchup but he gets edgeguarded easily if they do.
Link and Young Link both struggle against crouch cancel but YL has better projectiles and mobility to deal with it.

>>380669128
Idk why some people get their hands fucked by falco. Do you truly love the bird?

>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Fox

>How skilled are you?
Not very, better than 95% of the posters in these threads

>Do you go to tournaments?
Yes. Most majors, as many locals as I'm able to go to

If you've never entered a melee tournament, but are on the fence/have some desire to do so, ask me anything

I'm a small time TO who specializes in events for new players trying to get into competitive. Also tell me your region and I'll get you a link to your local scene if I can.

>>380646216
Falco
Stomp on casuals, stomped on by competitive players
No

>>380646216
I played in the days of PC Chris and Ken. It's a shame all those montages were taken from youtube forever. If anyone has em, I'd S your D for a download link.

>>380670373
I had already messed up my thumb a year ago, so that probably has something to do with it.

>>380667616
Hah, what's your tag/region?

I'm a Ness main and I enjoy discussing competitive with other low tier mains.

>>380667616
PGH?

>>380670662
All the Bach vids are still up.


https://youtu.be/KnjcXjuvix0

God why is this song so good

>Who do you main?
I can never decide, i want to say peach but i've been switching between all of the top tiers and some mid tiers since i started playing the game
>How skilled are you?
Very very bad, i live in north alabama and i have always gone 0-2 at my locals
On top of that its rare for me to beat any of my friends who play competitively, im 99% its a mental thing because i've done some hype ass shit randomly and my tech skill isnt too shabby
>Do you go to tourneys?
If there were any locals i would, and not many bigger tourneys near me
Might go to wtfox this year

>>380670662
Consider returning to your local scene and hitting up any oldfags from your day

The scene could use a little old school in this esports era

I mean come on, what else are you doing

>>380671125
I heard I think Webbs once talking about how the keyboard controller guy still plays nd he even has a second one that you have to use if you team with him.

>>380671303
Wtf

>>380670670
That's fucking rough. Maybe you should ask your doctor or something?

I'd say just be careful and ice while grinding.

>>380671171

You gotta stick to one or two bro

https://uquiz.com/rfUV2J

This algorithm/quiz thing I found on smashboards isn't too bad to help with tiebreaking. I've helped a bunch of new players find their main with this.

>>380671230
there's actually a big scene down here in South Florida because one of the old Lan Center regulars struck gold and opened his own. I did go once and got my shit wrecked, though. People are just way too good now. I feel like your average melee player today would wreck any pro from the original days.

>>380671647
Its more a mentality thing, i dont think an online quiz will help me "decide"
I think deciding isnt even my problem, its just that i change how i feel every so often

>>380671648
Yes and no. People have more advanced tech skill now but fucking Chu decided to be a top 10 player and here we are

It's really about how you see the game. I've seen new players get good by grinding tech skill until they brute force their way into success and I've seen people ride pure game sense to success

You just gotta care a little, if you were ever half decent you could be again

DaShizWiz was beating Hbox on stream. Azen wins Xanadus. Cort is coming back.

Kens still top 100

>Main
Green Marth
>Skill
I'm ok. Good movement and game sense but don't have much of a handle on his combo game or specific matchup knowledge.
>Tourny
Not yet. I practice with a guy who goes to locals and he says I'm good enough to beat some people who attend.

>>380648735
>shit, but occasionally do cool things

So basically the average Falcon main.

>>380671469
I appreciate your concern, dude. I always stretch 4 or so minutes before playing and only play in 30-60 minute bursts at most 3 times a day. I stop as soon as I feel anything in my thumb. I (hope) I'll be fine.

>>380672105
Hmm. I played literally every character for a little while before I clicked with Ness, of all things.

It's gotta be LOVE, or you might always have that salty longing

Ignore tiers, think hard about what you value, and zero in on who would make you happiest long term

Or just play fox desu

>>380671197
>Falcon above Peach
Other than that I agree with everything until the low tiers, which there will never be agreement on.

>>380672113
Kinda cool that e-sports will have a ton of Alex Valles unless they get arthritis. Guess I should find my melee disk.

>>380672545
What was your tag back in the day, friend?

>>380646216
Marth. Anyone for friendlies, I really like how Link plays.

Fox is fun but I have shit tech skill with him.

I went to tournaments and used to do weeklies when they were close by. Could make it out of or close to out of r1 pools at majors, but no more than that.

Yes, I'm one of those White marth shitters.

Melee threads are the best on /v/, this community is so chill

I'd so much rather be here then on fucking reddit

>>380672632
i was a nobody, but I hung around a bunch of South Florida players who frequented a LAN center called Zero Ping. It was a legendary place to hang around. I used the tag Qeer among friends and when I decided to play the pros.

>>380672797
This thread is nice but a lot of 'melee threads' are full of the worst kind of shitposting.

>>380672279
I mean i've dicked around with every character, i just like top tiers more because they make the game feel faster, and i do like winning as well
It feels like some unknown force driving me to never stay on one, which is something to do with my mentality

Mewtwo

garbage

>Don't make me laugh

>>380673027
sup leff?

>>380656572
try the l r a start fox combo

>>380672146
https://smashboards.com/threads/marth-tech-guide-resource-list-30-inside.375984/

There's a bunch of stuff on marths bread n' butters. I can also find a combo flowchart off up throw if you give me a bit

>>380672839
Qeer? How's that pronounced? Also who do you play as?

>>380672952
Im here for like half of them, it really does depend on how many fgc or tr4shfags shit it up

>>380672985
Hm. Can't say I have any ideas for you. Good luck out there.

>>380673027
One time I was playing with a new kid and he called mewtwo "mentho" because we were all drunk and he couldn't tell what it said

Also you should consider like maybe trying competitive

It'll be hard as a mentho main but he's got a lot of sick tricks and can really shit on some people

>>380672797
I do my part to have good and chill discussion, they really are nice threads now and then, but often they're just full of shitposting. Need to make OP inconspicuous enough unlike "WHO STILL PLAYING THE BEST FIGHTING GAME EVER".

The smash subreddits have been getting really bad lately. r/ssbm used to be fine at least, but now they're nearly as bad as r/smashbros, but with this elitest/smug "lol r/smashbros is so bad and has shit opinions" while having just as bad quality.

Luigi

4/10 id say low-intermediate since work scheduling leaves me with no motivation to practice for locals.

Yes, highest is 1-2 . I do better in sm4sh and sfv. Though I'm dropping them for T7

>>380656572

I've got friends who play Luigi

Basically the deal with this meme character is his ground game is retarded due to his wavedash and his air game is ass due to his airspeed

Luigi has a really solid follow up game on fast fallers, an RNG mechanic for recovert/kill, and a psuedorest that can be jab reset into


Start here


https://smashboards.com/threads/smash-gods-epic-2000th-post-luigi-guide-updated-jan-16-13-with-more-to-come.228500/

>>380673672
It was supposed to be Queer, but with Melee's 4 character limit I left out the 'u'. I played as captain falcon mainly.

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>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Marth
>How skilled are you?
Just good enough to not go 0-2
>Do you go to tournaments?
Not as often as I'd like.

>>380664814
YL if you want to win, Link if you want to be top post on Reddit. They go nuts over low tiers.

>>380674218
Falcon is doing better than he has in years, what a cool character

Check out n0ne, he's a Nicaraguan-Canadian player and he's a fucking G

https://youtu.be/6LQrTpyygPo

First Falcon to beat Mew2King in like 10 years

>>380674670
Link actually had better wins last year.

Sixx beat Adam, Amsah, and Zgetto last year which is three more top-100 level wins than solo YL had

>>380672635
>white marth
>shitter

Anon, the only shitters are those who just can't see why white Marth is the best color.

>>380674218
That's hilarious. I kept reading it as "Keer" or "Cheer"

>>380674851
L A

L U N A

>>380674929
that's literally what everyone called me. No one got that I was facetiously calling myself gay just to fuck with it.
>>380674672
it's so impressive how melee has managed to advance. If I recall jiggly and peach weren't seen as viable back in the PC Chris days. At least not against a fox.

>>380674802
Link gets more wins than YL because Link is the coolest and people play him despite being bad, whereas YL is too bad to be an optimal choice but also not cool enough to be popular despite that.

Sixx's avalon run was pretty cool though. Unfortunately he'll probably never take another game off of amsah.

>>380675279
Even characters like Pika and Yoshi have emerged

YL is next

Have any of you nerds been to Training Mode Tuesdays? I'm thinking about going to one for my first tournament experience. The idea of not going 0-2 and being out sounds like my cup of tea, that and it's only 5$ now.

green bird

not ranked. have been to 1 smash meet in the last 6 months with some of the top 10 in region, lost pretty much every game but it was great fun and it wasnt a stomp. only got 3/4 stocked like 5 times

would if i could. the region is mostly dead now, but i still play every day against the 20xx cpus. no netplay here either

>>380646216
>Roy
>good enough to wavedash/land etc. But not good enough to tourneyfag
>yes but for Sm4sh, though I occasionally play friendlies with PM/ Meleebros

>>380675279
I didn't go to many tournaments but I always felt that jiggly and peach were broken as hell back in the day due to certain counterpicks

I remember it was impossible to discuss anything with meleefags because whenever I suggested that some improvement could be made everyone would say stuff like "why don't you win mlg then" and "ken and isai are the greatest human beings on the planet, it's literally impossible to improve on anything they do" and all that sort of stuff

>>380646216
>Who do you main?

fox/falbo

>How skilled are you?
Not super good I'm bronze on netplay but I'm so fucking close to being getting gud I can feel it.

>Do you go to tournaments?

A few locals and evo 2016 but not recently. I really want to go to more but I just don't have the time or money right now. Netplay is really helpful though.

>>380647395
Keep it up anon, we need more people like you.

>>380647395
what region you from?

>Who do you main?
G&W

>How skilled are you?
Gold on netplay

>Do you go to tournaments?
Nope

What music do you listen to while grinding tech skill, bros?

I usually throw on a eurobeat mix to get the blood pumping.

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>>380676353
>not listening to lengthy podcasts while you ensure your hands will be painful osteoparylized claws by 40

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>>380646216
>main
Peach/Fox
>skill
I can beat power ranked players in my state, though that being Michigan it doesn't matter until you get up to KJH, Duck, Ginger, and Prince Abu's level.
>Do you go to tournaments
Not anymore, no money to and no job, and honestly not a lotta interest in tournaments. I mainly play online.

>>380657390
This is violence

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>live in a major city
>every single tourney is stacked as fuck

i just want to go to a tourney and not be walking around in the same fucking room as druggedfox

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>>380646216
>Who do you main?

Donkey Kong
>How skilled are you?
I don't wavedash/ l-cancel, etc.

>Do you go to tournaments?

I go to local ones and play friendly. the people there are nice and don't care if i only select DK everytime.

>>380677097
Try being autistic as fuck and accidentally dropping your controller on the ground directly in front of Axe twice

>Main
Sheik

>How skilled
I can easily wave dash, grab and land. If that's a proof of skill, it's not for me to judge

>Go to tournaments
Not anymore

>>380677127
At least learn to l cancel. The game gets a lot more fun when you don't have to go through so much landing lag, especially with a character like DK. It's pretty easy to get down too.

>>380646216
I main Kirby, even though it's fucking barrel bottom tier.
I'd say I'm a 6/10 at max.
No, I don't want to meet autistic cucks debating whenever this or Brawl are better.
Grammar is shit deal with it

>Falco/Marth
>Semi-Professional
>Used to, was top 10 in my state.

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>>380677097
>went to GOML last year
>got double 4stocked in pools by Ryan Ford
>he was really nice before and after though and gave me pointers on how to play a better neutral

>>380677889
Whereabout in Toronto do you go for locals?

>>380677889
Hey, I'm going to GOML this year. I'm in buffalo. We should play some friendlies

>>380677684
It's not debating when there's already a correct answer.

>>380677504
Axe is such a nice guy he definitely didn't care

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>>380656842

>>380677889
Top players are usually really chill. They've been playing with people in person for years and have met a ton of people both better and worse than them. They understand everyone starts somewhere and like to help new people in the scene. Something that I think online games lack is this interaction in person, which is part of what's held Melee together so long.

>>380649675
That's called netplay, anon.

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>>380678592

Is there such thing as a prepared iso of Project M or would that make too much sense?

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>Trying to get people into Melee
>After teaching them some basic tech they ask "what are wavedashes useful for?"
>Realized I can't really articulate a good answer, I've just been doing all this tech without realizing why

>>380679193
https://mega.nz/#!UEgxWajL!mOI8nU760SOtE8sbWQkBPUMsNfy7gfkTHC0EK8H14yQ

>>380679290
>what are wavedashes useful for?
being able to position yourself without changing the direction your character's facing...? it's one of the most important aspects of high level melee play lmao

>>380678345
I'm from NB so no-where.

>>380678490
Might not be going this year, anonymous, last year my region actually all chipped in for a bus to bus up to Toronto but no-one's going this year. We don't even have a crew entered for provincial crews that I know of.

>>380677795
What's your tag?

>>380677684
You're either trolling or you're stuck in 2009. Brawl is now this sort of quaint little janky memory in smash history, all the brawl players moved on to sm4sh or PM.

Also, IRL melee is super different from tourneyfag /v/; it's got a lot more normies and potheads than turbo autists and most of them are pretty nice dudes

>>380677795
Hi James

>>380679290
The wavedash is used to move without having to get stuck in dash, snap to ledge super fast, move across platforms quickly, dodge attacks, position yourself better for combos, etc.

Try playing Marth and WD-back F-smashing. They'll understand how dumb it is.

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>>380646216
>Who do you main?
Fox, unless my fingers are too cold, if that's the case then Marth
>How skilled are you?
Better than average, not good enough for anyone that actually puts a degree of seriousness in it though
>Do you go to tournaments?
I've been to some, here in Chile can't find too many, at least on the capital, but good news is that our college LoL president wants to branch out into Smash and they are asking me to become a representant so I might scout some people into Melee in the near future

>>380679290
Waveshine him across the stage.

>>380679290
>"what are wavedashes useful for?"
Small spacing adjustments that allow for quick reactions. The easiest example I can think of is wavedashing back as Marth to avoid a grab and quickly punishing with an fsmash.

Also Luigi

>>380679508
Aw, rip dude. If you do make it up, hmu at anonscum@gmail


>>380679734
Dark and ZeRo are from your country lmao

And that's super awesome, I've been doing some scenebuilding in my region and it's a blast

You gotta get a lot of noobs in at once so they don't just get fucked

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>>380657256
HAH holy shit Greece sucks.

>>380679295
Which version? Latest?

>>380680042
ZeRo rarely even calls himself Chilean anymore lol. And Dark as far as I know doesn't live in the capital.

I kinda have a group of noobs already, the only problem is that I'm the only one that's half-decent and I'll even have to teach them how to Up-B before starting on competitive stuff lmao

>>380680480
Trust me, that's most of my job.

What's your discord? I might have some useful resources for you.

>>380680805
Send it to that email I provided here

>>380680042

>>380678591
Yeah, I played friendlies with him afterwards.
The pros are so good it's insane.

>>380678708
Joey looks so fucking weird without glasses
he also looks fatter there than usual

>>380681190
It's just a level of understanding we don't have

They just know the game and worked hard for their skill

>>380679290
Movement while keeping your standing actions available. You can't tilt, jab, or (directly) smash out of a dash/run, and out of run you slide to a stop and have slow turnarounds. Wavedashing allows you more precise repositioning, lets you move backwards without turning around, and leaves tilts/jabs/smashes available to you.
Can also be used to grab ledge quickly, and you can wavedash out of shield while you can't dash out of shield.
Also helpful for general movement, wavelanding on platforms, and is faster than running for some characters.

Alright /v/, it's been real

I've got work in like 5 hours and I've been up for a long ass time

>>380682143
Peace bro, hopefully there are more non-shitpost melee threads in the future.

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>>380646216
Captain Falcon.
Meh.
No but it'd help me get better.