WoW

>>380614721
Elaborate?

>>380614721
Rets got nerfed again?or what?
They already pissed on Arms warriors and made everyone grind ap for Fury.

being a hpal is suffering... I think the time to quit has finally come.

>>380616352
>>380616570
Rets got shit on again and are near bottom DPS

>>380616816
How? They are pretty much the same as before.

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you're playing Paladin wrong

>>380614721
are mages still at the top?

whos blizzard

>>380614721
because its made by a different company?

Why are you still playing WoW?

>>380618551
lol nope, bottom tier for the first time at least they were when i quit again shortly after nighthold

tfw ret pallies became less of joke after tbc
>play patch before wotlk
>arathi basin
>going around dispensing light and justice with divine storm
>feeling good
>see gnome mage
>no big deal
>get fucking 1 shot by the stupid arcane mage
>fuck ret pallies are meaningless again

>>380619003
>Chasing casters in plate pre-wotlk

Because Lawful Good is for chumps

>>380619347
>chasing
>implying i even had a chance
i was killed on sight

>>380619464
>for chumps

Evil's for sociopaths and Neutral's for chucklefucks.

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>>380618279
remember when blizzard tried real names

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What's a paladin?

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When did it go so wrong?

>>380614721
NERF THEM TO THE GROUND!

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Remember, Daelin Proudmoore was right.

>>380624786
BUT THRALL DINDU NUFFIN

>>380625190
Yes, THRALL didn't.

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>>380625396
Thrall gave the order to Rexxar to slaughter the humans.

this thread stinks of fucking mop/wod/legion babbies, you faggots CLEARLY never played vanilla or tbc when ret paladins were literally a complete fucking joke of a spec and the only way you could possibly get a raid spot as one was if you were the guild leader or friends with the leader or in the case of tbc, 1 raid spot for ret paladins in the top 1% of guilds in the entire world for more buffing raid dps slightly

you faggots have had an easy mode braindead rotation with high dps since WOTLK so suck my dick

>>380625980
Oh right. Pallies were complete faggots back then.

>>380625980
This,
Though skill could always compensate and we still had amazing survivability.

>>380627814
>skill in a loot and build centric game

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>>380625980
This.
Paladins were shit but with an invicibility bubble for years, and then they became OP in wotlk.
Your loss if you didn't play a paladin back then.

>>380627814
>Though skill could always compensate
Nope

>>380614721
They're absurdly difficult to balance because they're healers, tanks and damage dealers all that the same time. Have you not been paying attention?

>>380625980
>ret was shit in tbc
No, YOU were shit in tbc

Ret was viable in raiding and pvp. I got gladiator 3 of the 4 seasons and was doing cutting edge raiding the whole time

....I kinda miss being a student

>that was 10 years ago
FUCK

>>380614721
They've only hated them in Legion.

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>>380618762
I've been asking myself that question for several years now.

>>380625980
ret dps in raids LMAO, ret pallies were for PVP since vanilla, and seal of command was fucking awesome, its pretty sad 90% of the playerbase are fucking retards

probably because it's way more successful than they anticipated and now they have to actually develop Overwatch to prevent their population from bleeding out

oh you mean the wow class

blizzard tries to keep the least fun to lose to class under powered as long as possible. They understand a portion of their players enjoy playing it but if it ruins everyone's fun it's not worth to pander to them more then they have to

>>380623074
Blizzard gave the game over to Metzen

Metzen created an ENTIRE WORLD to masturbate his own self insert Mary Sue

Its like if you put Chris Chan in charge of the Sonic Team. You can be damn sure Sonicho would make an appearance.

but the sad part is that they are doing well, cause the Asian market is making them more money than the western market now. Go look at the figures on the warcraft movie. Thats why we got that Panda expansion. Dont even try and say it wasnt to pander to their new market. A one off joke in warcraft 3 gets a whole fucking expansion

>>380629083

Uh so are monks and Druids?

>>380632101
And Druids have been broken since release.

>>380631924
Pandass is the fucking best

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>>380631924
Metzen has always been in the game till Cataclysm then it went to Dave Kosak
and Metzen left because of his mental health issues and anxiety.

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>>380614721

Only shitty Paladins think Paladins where are are bad currently. My alt pally with 47 traits out dpses 95% of our main mythic raid.

TLDR Git gud

>>380632101
its funny because the melee specs of those are really shit atm

I quit back in March. Played off and on from June 05.

Played Holy Paladin since TBC and swapped to Mage in WoD, and played SV Hunter at Legion launch to play with the new melee spec.

It finally hit me that all the luster and magic of WoW was gone. I even leveled my Paladin and swapped over to him almost exclusively. It just wasn't fun for me anymore.

It sucks that Ret was shit on again they were doing really well when I quit.

>>380632908
Your guild is probably shit then, Pally has some of the worst DPS at the moment

>>380632908
"mythic main raid" with what progress, 2/10?

>>380632846
>>380632846
he always was yes, but in interviews with former workers they revealed that Blizzard gave him more and more power over quests and major happenings in the world over time

in vanilla he maybe contributed
5%, by cat 90% of everything had to be approved by him

>>380632541
dont even start furry
and well you know how well liked cat was

>>380633187

With correct leggos, spec and relics no you are incorrect ret is actually quite amazing. The problem is shitters think Icyviens isn't run by morons and follow their guides blindly.

PS my guild is 10/10 how bout yours?

>>380633409
In Cataclysm DK was the main quest guy.

You can blame him for Redridge's 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA''

>>380633517
that was actually a decent quest, one of the last

>>380633468
And literally any other class with a correct build played by someone of equivalent skill will end up with higher dps on most fights in ToS. If you're clearing anyway it doesn't matter but he's right that you're probably better than the other people in your guild if you're outdoing them as ret.

Are Protadins still boring as sin to play? Is it still all "Stand in your Consecrate and you're fine", or is there some actual meaningful shit you have to manage/deal with?

>>380618551
God no. Fire is still a hot fucking mess and 7.2.5 nerfed frost. Arcane is still back of the bus tier.

>>380614721
Beacuse they are Moral, good and uncorruptable..... and have faith.

All the requirements to not be a Social justice warrior... even though they fight for true Justice

>>380633768

When I'm either beating or up the ass of our players that parse 99 percentile sorry but you are talking out your ass. You have literally not seen a good ret.

>>380633468
>Ret is amazing
>3.5% buff to damage
>25% nerf to divine hammer
>still no fucking mobility
Fuck you, Ret is shit especially considering other classes got +10% increases in damage

>>380634076
How is frost nerfed looking at the notes it says they were buffed

>>380634895

>x2 divine steed
>no mobility
>play ret do adds on M tich with our DH have no issues

It's like I'm really on the WoW forums. All 3 Paladin specs are proven to be performing fine.

>>380616816
Pretty typical Blizz balance.
>Too shit?
>Make it good
>Too good?
>Make it shit again

>>380631924
With Metzen gone now, I imagine it's only going to get worse. Because while Metzen was the problem, he might have been the lesser of evils.

>>380635627
>divine speed
>mobility
I sure do love how it doesn't ignore any movement penalties

>>380623074

WoW is a 13 year old game

There's a fuckload more environments

We aren't teenagers anymore and got jack shit for free time.

>>380635809
But Ret Paladin was never that good in Legion

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>>380635970

You understand PVP is balanced around teams and not you trying to honorably 1v1 people right

>>380635220
They nerfed T19's 2pc by a significant amount and increased the missile speed of ice lance and flurry to screw with the double ice lance exploit, that last part obviously needed to happen but it hit the spec hard. Cone of Cold's buff is irreverent.

>>380636325
I'm not talking about just PVP I'm talking about fun. Ret Paladin is a boring as fuck spec with shit damage, shit mobility, and a boring fucking rotation.

>>380635970
You have a ranged stun, freedom and a ranged snare

sorry you arent as mongo mobile like demon hunters, we dont need more melee train.

>>380618279
Oh god, this brings back memories. I remember the massive spools of thread after thread coupled with hour long youtube videos berating Bliz for simple shit like not including resilience on Paladin gear for PvP.

>>380633849

They are actually pretty baller atm, with CD's and the ability to heal a significant amount to others and not just yourself.

Name me a class they don't hate, because there isn't one.

>>380636569

Boring rotation perhaps, but if you are doing bad DPS it's cause you are shit and don't understand how to gear or spec correctly.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/11/#sample=1&region=3

>>380636817
Druid

Resto druid has been a PvP god and top raid healer literally forever

>>380636817
Semen Hunters, Mages, and Druids

>>380636846
>not even dead last while bringing 10x the utility of a mage

rly makes u think...

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>>380614721
Because WoW paladins are cucks. They're either insane (Scarlet Crusade) or ineffectual (Alliance).

A real crusader of justice brings evil to heel without mercy. He isn't a slave to some vague, fickle power like the Light. He is an avatar of justice itself, and when the injustice is great enough, Justice will give him the power to strike it down.

>playing games with "seasonal" mindsets ingrained.

You deserve to suffer.

>>380636929
but thats wrong.
resto druids were the worst healers in Cata

>>380614721

IIT: Terrible 'sky is falling' players that see T20 sims and -dmg on patch notes and think the class is dead

>>380637160
Being a mage is suffering at the moment

>>380634442

The fuck is this post. Lurk more.

>>380614721

It's like you still don't realize Blizzard balances by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded.

>>380618818
Wrong. Frost the number 1 dps, fire and arcane were pretty meh.

>>380623074
You know the answer, casuals.

why did they nerf melee wings?? now i'm stuck running useless double bop/freedom
hpal is so fucking boring now without melee wings... fuck this class and fuck blizzard.

>>380637448
Frost wasnt top until 7.2 when it got new traits, and even then it was competing with shit like Fury warriors and frost DKs, while being beaten by Afflocks which were actually the top overall

And now its shit along with fire and arcane because they destroyed thermal void

>>380636039
>got jack shit for free time.
Speak for yourself, normie.

>>380637307
>Ugh, I'm only #2 on muh meter. TRUE SUFFERING!

Eat shit and die, faggot. Mages and Druids have NEVER been shit; you fuckers DO NOT get to complain - EVER. There's never some all-powerful, flip-floppy, seemingly vindictive god constantly dicking your numbers, abilities, and rotation to death so hard that you question why you even bother trying to exist. You have never been an Unholy DK. You've never been an Elemental Shaman. You've never been a fucking Arms Warrior. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT NERFS NIGGER.

>>380638228
Right now all 3 mage specs are bottom half of the logs in mythic you fucking tard

Meanwhile Arms is number 1 by far.

>>380620704
>have neutral good druid
>party has a cleric and arcanist.
>just going around and doing good things for animals and nature

>have a true neutral sorcerer
>roll around as the only full powered caster of the group
>never ally with good or bad guys because kek I'm a sorcerer with wish and limited wish. try to stop me

>have a true neutral gunslinger
>in a party of evil characters
>just makes guns and sells them to anyone spreading chaos throughout the land

All alignments can be fun anon

Did I make a mistake rerolling to shaman?
I think the class is fun and I like the class hall and mount but the general consensus seems to be that both ele and enhance (mainly ele) are shit tier and will be benched in ToS.

>>380638228
>You have never been an Unholy DK. You've never been an Elemental Shaman. You've never been a fucking Arms Warrior.
Back when I rolled my mage I couldn't even select shaman or DK. I've been playing the same character for years and I'd appreciate Blizz not raping the class to death. Why shouldn't I be upset that they dropped the ball? It's not like I can just switch to a tank or heal spec to get invited to raids, I need to do numbers.

>>380639135
>>have a true neutral gunslinger
>>in a party of evil characters
>>just makes guns and sells them to anyone spreading chaos throughout the land
That's a CN gunslinger if you're spreading chaos through the land intentionally.

>>380639135
>I'm a sorcerer with wish and limited wish. try to stop me
I have almost forgotten what this feels like.

>>380621625
drop moar WoW forum pics

>>380634739
>our players are 99% and so amazing but I'm even more amazing and outdo all of them!

You have that kid syndrome to the max.

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>HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM
>HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM >HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM >HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM >HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM >HOLINKA LEFT THE WOW TEAM

>>380644426
Who?

>>380644426
That sounds awful but I have no idea who that person is.

>>380629918

>I got gladiator 3 of the 4 seasons

as holy, sure, easily

as ret? fuck off you liar

>>380614721
Blizzard has always been this way. They should balance with a scalpel and do 1 small surgery at a time then re-evaluate in 2 weeks.

Instead they throw out the scalpel and equip the largest nearby .50 cal sniper rifle and shoot 5,000 bullets into the rotting corpse of whatever sad soul they thought was overpowered. they always change 17 things at once and either severely overnerf or severely overbuff.

>>380644426
>It's real
DRAENOR IS FREE

>>380650005
Wee. Space goats matter.