EVE Online, the crux of MMO experiences?

I need atleast 3 months to learn most aspect of the game but stop at the second because steam fuck up my subscription.

>>380612775
>knowledge, and figuring
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I started playing because I wanted something to do while in school, while at the same time having lots of depth. I spend 80-90% of my gameplay semi-afk ratting, making 2-3bil a month while alt tabbed.

What's funny is my grades have improved. I love playing games and progression, so it scratches that itch. But I can study and do school work while I'm ratting.

Also it's free for me because I make way more than enough in game money to pay for my sub (40-50 mil an hour ratting + 1 billion a month from PI)

Plus, being in a 100-200 player fleet during a battle involved 1000 players in a single system is pretty awesome.

theres something i dont get about EVE, i know shit about it, but are you like a fucking spaceship? how am i supposed to RP if im a fucking spaceship? i love sandbox mmos and hate all theme park wow clones cancer mmos, but is the alternative seriously being a fucking spaceship in space? i want to immerse myself in a character, wtf

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>>380614853
The character creator..

>>380612775
What's wrong CCP?

Your sub count is dwindling so you need to shill Eve on /v/?

>>380614958
but where do you see your character? all screenshots ive seen are fucking spaceships floating in space. how do you even walk up to people and socialize, sit, RP, talk, etc. those are core aspects of mmos

Well, it's because it's for real and no memeing fucking boring.

The premise is good and all until you play it and realize it's either a real grind or a shit combat experience, balance and values simulator.

The most fun there is it's to scam people and winning their trust. You can't scam newbs anyways because they have no money and there's no newbs in this game anymore.

Everyone has 10 accounts botting around to be successful and the big companies do not need your help for anything for real. If anything you're looking to make friendship with them and milk their money and do some stuff.

Speaking of balance, the gameplay isn't as indepth as you may think because it's an MMO and it's inherently gank around. Some fights are lost since the beginning for you, some others are won. 90% of the equipment SUCKS and the 10% that does the trick is very expensive since it's the very best. You may think you can do with a lesser version of, let's say, ammo or launcher but the truth is that numbers stack, and stack hard, so either you buy the best for PVP or just don't bother unless you're swarming with 5 or 10 people around. And other ships just plain suck and are outclassed by everything else.

Preparation and menus are outdated and kinda pointlessly convoluted, mainly on the ship building window. Also some rules and how they apply are written confusively and you have to heavy wiki and look for builds.

The best thing it has is playing with the market, and the economy is what makes EVE interesting. Sadly out of the market everything else is slow and kinda dull. Music itself is synth trite shit outside of some tracks and the main questline and stuff is boring and grindy.

TLDR it's not really fun unless you're very very dedicated to it, like enough to bot.

>>380615102
You use chat windows to talk to people.

>>380614360
>Plus, being in a 100-200 player fleet during a battle involved 1000 players in a single system is pretty awesome.

I want to be part of this so bad, but I'm sure that will take multiple months, if not years to get there

>>380612775
>strawpoll
>the gameplay
You realize it's just Diablo in space, right?

>>380615102
>how do you even walk up to people and socialize
You don't, as of this post. They were designing in-station gameplay but shelved it for other updates and reasons (getting bitched at by their sub base).

>>380615354
welp, as i feared. thanks anyway

>>380614853
>how am i supposed to RP if im a fucking spaceship? i love sandbox mmos and hate all theme park wow clones cancer mmos, but is the alternative seriously being a fucking spaceship in space? i want to immerse myself in a character, wtf

This is what SISSYPEE hasn't understood in 13 years

You're just floating in space with floating windows chatting to a barrage of bots and spam. Incarna update was supposed to be that but the implementation and backlash was so big they just abandoned it completely and have FEAR to angry the virgin whales that play this game.

FEAR LIKE YOU CAN'T BELIEVE. They're the true masters of the game, those people that pay hundreds of dollars to CCP to get their fix, which are in reality, no more than 10,000 or less.

>>380615354
>Eve
>Diablo in space
That doesn't make sense on any level.

Once you get past the menu hell you see a very shallow game coated with some fresh paint every 6 months.

It's more fun to read the drama than playing it. It's so fucking mindnumbingly shallow.

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>>380615325
The corp (guild) Brave Newbies at least used to regularly go on 50-100+ ship fleets. That number of ships is really effective.

>>380615354
Pic*

>>380615524
How so?

>>380615857
>How so?
I think it will be a lot quicker for you to tell me why Eve is like Diablo.

>>380615857
>The corp (guild) Brave Newbies at least used to regularly go on 50-100+ ship fleets. That number of ships is really effective.
https://zkillboard.com/related/30001162/201706150200/

Eve is shit. Jump Freighters and capital bridging killed the game. CCP have consistently fucked up every aspect of the game aside from art and graphics since 2008.

>>380616086
An entity is controlled primarily with the mouse -- EVE, in 3D space -- and a number of abilities are used in their respective ranges.

The primary contrast, there, is EVE's mobility, as that of a spaceship coming in and out of Basic Fighter Maneuvers, except the only gravity being to 0 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_fighter_maneuvers.

https://youtu.be/4UieJcWI-YM?t=20m15s

>>380617305
I have no idea what the fuck you're smoking but I'd really like some.

>>380612775
I love Eve, but it's just too time consuming with my job

I've played it on and off for a few years. There is no other game like it but it is a massive time and knowledge sink and it's not for everyone.

>>380617901
>duels on tradehub undocks

>>380615325
Completely depends on the Corp you're in. If you're in a massive cooperation that controls lots of null space and is having an active border war, it could happen in the first week of play.

>>380615720
Wrong, it has more depth than any MMO ever made.

>>380612775
>quit because of the progression
fuck those 3 retards, horizontal progression is the PINNACLE of MMOs

>>380620719
>SP

>>380621395
>grinding raids for gear only to have your progression reset with each expansion

>>380612775
Cause 90% of v is too retarded to enjoy eve. Have over 1000 hours played and it's great, like an mmo that doesn't have any handholding. Wormhole space is where it's at

>>380620236
>implying I would be anything but cannon fodder at that point

>>380621862
Wspace is aids. Everything is literally suck Hard Knocks cock or get evicted because it's literally impossible to compete with them due to Mass mechanics.

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>>380612775
it's a microtransaction free to play game now

>>380621770
False equivalence.

EVE limits class accessibility and effectiveness to real time training (non-combat queues), and in-game currency (or real life money).

>Skills are trained in real-time, at a speed based on the player's attributes. This understandably leads many to assume that older players have an unbeatable lead over new ones, but in truth the number of skills for any given task is very much finite; particularly since all skills cap at level five.

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>>380622142
Everyone started where you'd be at. You can be a small frigate tackling large ships.

>>380622204
PLEX have existed starting in ~2008. Even WoW uses a currency-trade item for subscriptions now.

>>380622571
weren't GTCs available from 2005

In a time in my life when I was a teenager being bullied in secondary school. I used to immerse myself heavily into games to escape from that shitty reality.

My dad used to force me to play eve and do boring shit like mining and transport for hours on end and if I dared protest he turned my internet off, thus separating me from the one thing stopping me from killing myself at the time.

Now that I make my own money he just can't wrap his head around why I don't want to spend time with him anymore. I just winded up giving him my 160m SP character.

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>>380622571
it looks exactly like other free to play games with microtransactions

>>380622903
is your dad autistic

>>380623072
>a dad tries to bond with his son
>His son spergs out and hates him for it

I don't think it's the dad that's autistic in this case.

>>380622923
It's still a subscription based game, like WoW, with a sub based item for in-game currency (WoW's token).

EVE doesn't feel like the hardcore mmo it once was. Someone loses a ship and just pays for PLEX to replace that ship.

I know guys that just pool 50-100€ into the game a month and use the money from PLEX to do things in the game like PvP or circlejerk about their 5 billion isk PvE tengus.

I remember a EVE where coming across a HAC or battleship was a big deal. People almost became experts at a particular kind of ship. A Vagabond pilot, for instance.

That's all gone now and everyones flying around in juicy pimp ships cause you can just buy your way into things.

It doesn't feel like I really lose anything anymore. It doesn't feel like I'm fucking another player up.

Cause if the going gets tough they can just sell PLEX legally (in regards to EULA) and be back in business.

It feels like you have a LOT less influence in the game now because of this sort of shit and that's all a sand box is about. Your influence on said sand box.

>>380623163
You're legitimately retarded. That's child abuse if I ever heard it.

>DO THIS MONOTENOUS AND BORING TASK FOR HOURS OR I WILL TURN OFF YOUR INTERNET TO PUNISH YOU
>*WHIPCRACK*

>>380623072
Yeah I'm pretty sure he is. He just doesn't get that I don't want to listen to him ranting about someone he's arguing with on the eve forums for 2 hours straight.

>>380623595
They could PLEX back in the day too. PLEX has been around since like, late 2004 or early 2005 if I recall.
HACs and BCs were a big deal in the past because nobody had the industry/PI skills to build them or gather the materials.

The difference is literally just SP inflation.

>>380623595
the only easy way I have to make money is carrier ratting in drone regions
I haven't logged in for months so I don't know if that's even possible still, they change stuff all the time

>>380612775
Too bad it's P2W nowadays (or rather, it's Pay to get best gear/character)

>>380623163
>used to force me to play eve and do boring shit like mining and transport
>bonding
Yeah right. Fuck off faggot.

>>380623901
jesus christ, my wife gets visibly annoyed if i briefly mention something I saw online, I can't imagine the effect a rant about some stupid fucking /v/ argument would have

>>380622923
WF packs are a total scam though
And from what I've heard, the game has gone totally to shit in the last year.

>>380623706
>>380623163
he used to belittle me and make fun of me for not wanting to play eve. said i was playing 'pussy games' anytime i wanted to play something different. ironically, all the guy ever did was mission grind and do mining.

don't tell me this is bonding

my dads a piece of shit

>>380624243
$10 pack with -75% is all you need to start. So it's $2,5. Everything else you can earn through market.
I dunno why you think it's a scam.

>>380612775
I don't really feel like playing a game in which everyone tries to be as asshole to others as possible anymore, I already have real life for that

>>380613660
you can learn most of the game aspects in a few days, on paper.
that's the frustrating part, you know you need to plan how you're going to play, but you're limited by time, which is frustrating.

>>380615325
lies, when corps decide to do a big move, they need everyone, even the newbie who's just good at hauling cargo or scout a place, you won't be on the front line with a titan, but you'll be here
that's the interesting part, you can always contribute to something

>>380615354
>You realize it's just Diablo in space, right?
Even though this makes no fucking sense, is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>380625892
Negative.

>>380616283
>Jump Freighters and capital bridging killed the game.
why?

>>380616283
t. bittervet

>>380612775
I played Eve on and off for about 10 years. It just got too built up and organized, the player community. Ultimately I think my biggest problem is the importance of alts and multiboxing. That shit went from being something neat you could do if you needed to, to being a core tenet of the game. Also I grew to dislike the overwhelming emphasis on logistics (not the ships) and the extreme proliferation of capital ships. Most of my time was spent doing small gang 0.0 and I feel like we just got run out of the game.

>>380627459
Because it made living in nullsec safe. You can just jump any supplies you need from highsec with zero risk. Competing null blocs cant blockade your space until you run out of ships, or shut down your ammo production by harassing your miners, since it all just effectively teleports into your hangers.
Capital bridging and jumping meant that you could have your entire defensive fleet move from one end of your space to the other in minutes. As a result, a smaller fleet can't fuck with you by being more mobile, since everyone is equally mobile.

Imagine a world where Black Ops were the only ships which could jump. Imagine how many shenanigans you could get up to if tackling anything worth killing didn't immediately result in a cyno lighting up and an entire cap fleet popping into existence within seconds.

>>380628113
You're exactly right. We used to terrorize people in 0.0. Never "real" alliances because there were only 20-30 of us, but we put shitters to the fucking torch from like 2005-2008. Billions in damage back when a billion was still real money. Then we just started getting hot-dropped all the time, people never ran out of resources anymore, no more traffic through entry points, we were left scrambling for scraps instead of playing Viet Cong in space.

>>380622204
all you need to know. The game is a shameless cash machine.

>>380620572
I don't give a flying FUCK about MMOs you fucking cocksucker faggot they are all excrement pieces and you eat diharrea if you play them, any one of them
>Depth
What fucking depth can a chatroom with monsters have

>>380622204
>>380629506
Even WoW has microtransactions.

>anon in charge of posting his point

>>380630537
He means it was made safe for groups of players. Solo it's always sorta dangerous. You can go weeks without seeing people and it's usually easy enough to dodge camps and the like, but you'll probably "get got" eventually. When you're an alliance with jump bridges, stations w/ jump clones, etc. it's safer than high sec as long as you dock/POS/cloak when neutrals or hostiles show up. And when they do show up, unless it's some ungodly hour and you don't have anyone online, then you form up to meet them and spend hours sitting in a channel listening to a bunch of autists only to have some sort of stunted skirmish where a total of 20 ships (out of 400) get blown up or you don't fight at all and everyone leaves.

>>380629806
Why you so mad? Upset that your 256th wow clone died after reaching a peak of 10000 players?

>>380612775
Is not a satisfying space ship game(fights are not space fights they are and look like spreadsheets simulators), too technical, too complex, things take literal years.

Graphic wise its pretty cool.

if you can buy advantages then the game is not worth playing

eve online is on the level of casinos -- bunch of scumbags behind it after people's money, and that's it

>>380631707
See >>380617305.

>>380612775
I played for a few years during my college years, I think the biggest problem that people have when they start off is that they go off doing missions and mining which are probably the two most boring things you can do. It's literally one of those games where you have to find your own fun and be willing to put hours of work on the line, which is not for everyone.

I spent most of my in EVE with a small wormhole corp where we had a starbase and ships for whatever purposes. Surprisingly comfy with a decent amount of action to not get too boring, but not something you could do for hours on end unless you were really into it.

>>380612775
It's not an mmo, it's fucking science

>>380632313
Like i said, Is not a satisfying space ship game(fights are not space fights they are and look like spreadsheets simulators), too technical, too complex, things take literal years.

Graphic wise its pretty cool.

To add to that, i don't feel like i'm in control of the ship, it doesn't have weight, impacts look rubbish and feel rubbish, you can get lost too easily too.

UI sucks, is like super cluttered but also unreadable., too small and if you make it big you can't see outside of it.


I like to read about the stories and watch streams/videos when something big like a giant fight happens and respect to those who spends their life playing it.

>>380633670
And yet, all other space games have come and gone, yet EVE still remains. Its cause space combat games get boring as fuck quick.

>>380634503
there's losers that waste their lives in casinos, eve is no different

doesn't mean it's legit

>>380635226
>eve is no different than a casino
Kek, how does it feel being this retarded?

>>380631246
Except if it's Provi, then everyone runs away when a red shows up or the ones who hate reading intel channels get dunked.

>>380635135
EVE is UNdead my friend

It's in shambles all the time, 20k players on average on it, and at least half of those must be multiboxes or maybe even more

But at this point and with a skeleton crew EVE thrives with the money the whales pay into the game and chinese botters.

EVE is not completely dead but has been on deathwatch for years. Ever update is a petty addition for the whales or asinine UI for "newbies" that aren't coming in.

>>380636635
is EVE really on "deathwatch" if it has more players than most other MMOs?

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>>380634503
my bad, how fucking exciting dude holy shit.
This looks so fun and engaging!


Why do evedrones get so mad when someone doesn't like their game?

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Played it for several years, towards the end more off and on.

Eve itself is a terrible game, broken and buggy, slow to respond and unbelievably clunky.
But the communities you create and social interactions you have along the way are what makes it really worth while.

The game was really at its prime around 2011-2013 imo and thats when i had my best experiences in the game. Lording it up in K3J and dominating nerds all around.

Finally unsubbed last year and havn't played since winter last year. The game didn't seem the same anymore and I didn't get that same buzz after they changed jump and sov mechanics.

>>380636635
Just had a 1000+ player battle a week ago. It's definitely not dead.

>>380628113
The real problem with this is that they insist on keeping highsec so safe.

I'm not really a pronull guy, but the safety of highsec is ridiculous. What's the point of having anything else?

>>380612775
Because it's a shitty spreadsheet simulator and you need to be an autist to play it

>>380636905
>static image
That's the video from >>380617305, and the point about "not being in control of the ship" is completely disproven.

>>380635419
the skinner box progression was originally grafted into casino games to string people along as they shed their wealth

wake up friend you are a victim, assuming you're not a ccp goon pushing the game

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>>380612775
Probably the longest MMO I have been sticking around with. But it does take some dedication to be not bad. That said, it is always enough to be better than others.

>>380636759
it only really has about half that. almost everyone has at least one alt account.

>>380612775
Grind: the game.

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I literally only got into EVE because I was a super hardcore player in DUST 514. I got into FW to support the boys planetside with OBs (the most lucrative thing to do in FW at the time). When I wasn't dunking squids from a hundred miles up and on the battlefield at the same time, I was scraping by for money or training to be logi or just filling what the corp needed me to be.

Now that DUST is gone, I tried training to fly my very own Kronos, but its literally impossible to generate enough income to fly one in a timely manner, doubly so if you're stuck in an alpha clone. I've since stopped playing and don't really care much about EVE anymore.

TL;DR
Project Nova when?

>>380640720
>not getting RMT and reporting it to CCP for noban
It's like 4B for $15 right now.

>>380638567
>progression is a casino

99% of games are casinos then.

>>380622189
Aids for you maybe, excuse my whole I make my kill board even more green

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>>380640720
>I tried training to fly my very own Kronos, but its literally impossible to generate enough income to fly one in a timely manner, doubly so if you're stuck in an alpha clone. I've since stopped playing and don't really care much about EVE anymore

"why is the ship thats practically an endgame for some people and extremely powerful in the right hands take so long to get into?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk

really joggles the noggin.

>>380612775
EVE died years ago when the war between goons and BoB ended.

>>380639446
What a bold claim to make, this may be Anectdotal but me and my friend only have 1 account

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I've spent 3 years of my life on this game. Honestly one of the funnest game ever if you find a good corp of mates. Anyone looking for a solo experience is going to get cucked.

I highly reccomend you try it, esspecially since they added a free to play option. My huge tip though:

GET THE ABSOLUTE FUCK OUT OF HIGHSEC AND JOIN A CORP.

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How bad is what's happening right now with the exploit?
I don't play the game but it's interesting to watch from afar so i frequent the reddit and read threads on 4chan about even whenever they pop up like now.

People are saying that the economy is ruined, a small percentage got very rich by exploiting and CCP rewarded them with ships or something.

>>380612775
Sociopathy simulator, the business plan of which is: sell a lot of secondary accounts so that:
- Sadists can scam, gank, lie, deceit, and reap Schadenfreude (i.e. real-life stress and despair) from fellow gamers
- Masochists can scout and not put all their eggs in the same basket, thus allowing them to continue to play

But there's not only good stuff. There's also the awesome behind-the-scenes RMT: alliance leaders make a nice buck using the isk generated by alliance drones ^^

Some wormtongues will say that some people pretend friendship ingame, so they can get personal info from lonely gamers, and sell them to people willing to pay for it, either to threaten them, or even blackmail them (RMT still)

Basically the best of MMOs :DDD


I can't say what my reaction might be if I ever meet a CCP employee, this company is utterly malevolent and endorses online sociopathy

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>>380643538
CCP just declared it an exploit and that they will be punishing people.

There was a noticeable effect on the prices of PLEX and injectors, however for the average player this means jack shit. The game will go on as always.

>>380643796
Heh. So it's nothing then, alright. It looked like the sky was falling for a bit there really biblical like.

Still a fuckup though, hope they get it fixed, would be a pity to watch this crash and burn after so many years.

>>380643538
I don't think it ruined it. It was definitely a large isk sink, but a huge skill point faucet. It could have lasting repercussions since so many skill points were added to the player accounts in the game. I heard one guy talking on mumble how he would have 5 rorqs (best mining ship in game) mining, and after a few hours he had enough money to fund another account and have a 6th character mining with all the same skills. Low price of skill injectors probably contributed to this.

>>380612775
I'd be fine with locking me on a frigate as an alpha. Not so much when they locked me out of stealth so I can't do science worth for shit without some asshole buttfucking me. I'm already helping their game by bumping up their population by at least one more on their dying game, the least they can do is let me have my fun.

>>380615132
>TLDR it's not really fun unless you're very very dedicated to it, like enough to bot.

This, for fucks sake, this.

I posted something like this in the eve general a few days ago, but I am CONVINCED that alts and botting is one of the biggest reasons that EVE is shit (its not the only reason, but a big one). Don't have to worry about your moons or PI stuff, park an alt there! Don't have to worry about getting equipment, park an alt in jita and have another one for shipping! Don't have to give a shit about where in the universe your main is when shit goes down in your home system, because you are exploring with a dumb fucking alt and your main is back there!

Alts are cancer and they RUIN every MMO they are in. Particularly ones like EVE where you can do basically everything yourself and never have to work with other players for things. EVE would be a much better game if everyone had ONE character and ONE account maximum.

The icing on the cake is that you can take your uncounted billions you've gotten from alt botting and make them skill train at the same time, then sell the SP for even more uncounted billions.

Oh and also the actual gameplay is largely a boring space version of rock paper scissors, activities that could be fun like exploration or wormhole shenanigans are ruined by RNG fucking you constantly with shit drops, marketplace trading is pointless because the big wigs have bots that will fuck you over instantly with 1 isk wide margins, and nullsec is gay because you essentially have to become a worker peon for the spacerich powers that be and there is zero upward mobility in them and they will never share their wealth or source of wealth with you or the rest of the alliance.

I could go on. EVE is a shit game because A. Alts exist, B. RNG exists, and C. People are greedy cunts.

>>380622368
This poster is missing the part where the newbie tackle imicus or whatever the fuck hes flying is instantly blapped by the person he tackled because that person is a T2 something with T2 ammo or god forbid a T3 and he gets away scott free.

That's assuming the noob could even get to him because even with a MWD with shit skills and a T1 you are slow as balls compared to any interdictor or T2/T3.

I'm tired of corp leaders pushing this bullshit. Let me redpill anyone new to EVE or thinking about getting into it. You aren't useful. At all. Your T1 ship will never have any significant impact in any fight, not even a small gang one since it does such piss poor damage and moves so slowly.

The ONLY reason corp leaders try to get you in their corp is so they can tax your ratting/mission rewards and enrich themselves.

>>380636962
Maybe that explains why I never liked it. I'm an aspie and as such do not create friendships or socially interact with anyone.

>>380637239
You were playing with the entire EVE population then

>>380643006
>this may be Anectdotal but me and my friend only have 1 account
Yes, it is anecdotal and you and your friend meant jack shit to sissypee.

Tried EVE and played for some months.

Reasons I stopped:
Retarded skill progression system. Encourages you to login once a week to update your skillqueue and not play until you reached some basic milestones, while paying for a subscription.

Endless progression. Really makes the game unattractive to new players, since you'll NEVER EVER catch up to older players.

"Galaxy past it's prime". EVE must have been amazing when everybody was starting out and there wasn't a power balance like there is now. Now it's just stale. Power structures/balance isn't broken up/toppled often enough.

>>380615354
>Diablo in space
Stop forcing this meme, it will never be accepted.

>>380643796
>There was a noticeable effect on the prices of PLEX and injectors

No, there wasn't. Plex and injectors have had an inverse relation to other item prices the past few years, PLEX has skyrocketed and so have injectors while everything not-Meta or Officer has gotten much cheaper.

And injector prices have mutated exactly as expected relative to plex prices.

>>380643796
>>380647843
Just to clarify, if ghost training had made an impact on the market injectors would've broken free from their relation to PLEX prices due to increased supply at zero cost and would've dropped below the profitability line.

Instead, nothing happened and injectors grew with PLEX.

I went with the business mentality on EVE as I wanted to do jobs for people in the game, start small and see what comes around.

After a long time of playing it I realized that there's absolutely NOTHING to do like that that is nearly as profitable as scamming, ninja salvaging or sucking a corp tit.

Because you see, anything you want to do for someone else they already have a better and more efficient way to do so with alts and bots like hauling, mining, PVPing and ganking. Anyone you meet already has everything they want and need on their own because they pay 5 to 10 and even MORE subscriptions at the same time. I found a corp that was made up by a single person entirely, and legit "businesses" you could set up can't work well because in EVE there's no a contract system of sorts in any way. A contract system shouldn't mean the contract can't be broken but at least would be a document signed by another player to abide to something else maybe CONCORD or some brave Lawful Bringer players could enforce if such villainy would take place.

No, there's nothing to keep the books in line, you literally have to open Excel and chat with someone IRL to make at least some sort of trust that you will NOT get scammed, and in counterpart, I can't hire players by commisions of sorts easily.

Long story short, the most profitable and efficient ways to make ISK are figured all out and kept with dozens of bots controlled all by yourself.

>>380642846
Ive been grinding for three years and still haven't been able to hold more than a billion Isk. All I want to do is run level 4's but its impossible, because level 3's pay pennies, and 4's have a massive difficulty spike, and you can't grind enough to pay for plex in 2's to get access to stuff needed for 3's. I've been playing since 2013 and this game is extremely brutal towards the "new player" bracket, and not in the "git gud" way.

>>380647051
There were 30,000 players online on one of the servers.

>>380646559
Oh this

EVE is all about powercreeping and players try to convince you that skills have a cap.

Well, EVERY MMO HAS A THEORETICAL CAP TO EVERYTHING. Thing is that EVE t1 ships are SHIT, completely USELESS in real PVP and ANYTHING scenarios adn you would need 5 T1 ships and luck to catch and bring down a single T2 same category ship. Noobs can try but they will fail unless they get into the T2 and above, and that takes months of training and specialization that leaves you with little income or money or time, resources and skills to do anything else featured in EVE. Not that any of the other EVE activities are interesting or more in depth anyways.

>>380648434
There's plenty of places for a third party to do jobs alts can't do or that players hate, the two most apparent ones being on-demand capital manufacturing (a fully researched capital component library will run you 40bil, not counting final BPOs which'll add another 15bil ontop of facilities which, when rigged, would add up to another 7bil at the least) and jump freighting (safely JFing is an art and not everyone wants to manage cyno alts).

Ontop of that, once you break into the upper-middle echelons of EVE richdom and you start making a name for yourself you can get involved with uncollateralized mutual funds or uncollateralized loans.

The first two require capital, which is why they're usually outsourced. Jump freighting especially requires a lot of mechanical knowledge to do safely, even post citadels.

The latter options require a reputation, which is the only currency in EVE that matters.

>>380615132
>>380645991
>boring
>not liking Jets Online

>rock-paper-scissors
Actually, plenty of the combat is outflying the opponent ship.

The stuff about expensive equipment is garbage. Ships have fits where blinging the modules allows a tight fit, but the effective benefit is rarely worth multiples of your whole original fit.

>>380648531
There's a game called Heroes of Newerth, a MOBA that came around LoL years that was popular and lost that race and became F2P and then sold to some other studio some years ago to be kept on development. People claiming it dead and full of brazilians.

That game has 60 to 80k concurrent players right now. 30k (half of them are bots) is nothing for an "em em oh"

i played and loved eve from 2005-2009 but i can say that it is just a shell of its former glory now for one simple reason:

everyone and their mother owns a carrier or capital ship of some sort, battleships and below fucking suck because you will eventually just get hotdropped by some russian or chinese botters who are annoyed with your attempt at having fun and drop their 20 multiboxed carriers on your frigate

how i wish i was still in the eve of 2006 where CARRIERS were extremely rare in the entire eveverse save for the rich faggots in BoB and ASCN etc and you could have hours and hours of fun roaming around in a vagabond, fighting only other small ships and battleships

>>380649514
30,000 players puts EVE Online in the top 15 Steam games. Oh, and a majority of them are paying $10-20 a month, or someone else is paying for their account.

>>380649874

this and the fact that an alt is basically essential and therefore you have to fund two fucking accounts is just pathetic

>>380646559
>>380649143
>T1 vs T2
Except proving that inaccurate is within a simple link. T2 gets solo'd a lot, because the gameplay is about range dictation and awareness.

https://zkillboard.com/ship/17703/solo/

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62953167/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/62952595/

>>380650317
The only thing you need one or more alts for is moving capital ships because trusting non-you cynos is how you lose ships.

>>380650451

ummm i guess you are too dumb to realize that faction ships are usually more expensive than t2

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>Finally got my very own Battleship
>Costs so much I can't fly it anywhere because I can't afford to lose it
>Can't do low level missions either with it
>Can't go high missions or I will get spotted and ganked
>Have to lay a low profile on cruisers and below
>Those also stink
>T2 ships are as costly as my battleship anyways when fitted correctly
>The only viable way to make money for myself is to boringly mine and multibox or join a corp and beg them for money

EVE powercreep is stupid, very very stupid, and the whole economy is built around powercreep over balance and not luxury items which would be the higher echelon's real interests.

Balanced gameplay would be healthier for the community but worse for the economy system that is in place right now.

>>380650451
>trying to bullshit your way
That won't work. First of all, that's an imperial slicer, something a noob will not have access to. Secondly, I guarantee you it is covered with T2 modules which again a noob will not have. Thirdly, based on which ships its killing, I guarantee you that its in a fleet of much harder hitters and he was simply lucky enough to get the last hit.

Also the other two you linked are ALSO covered in T2 modules, with T2 ammo.

In short, you are a retarded faggot.

>>380647462
>except skills are maxing out at 5
>any single ship fit using a specific amount of SP
The skills are ~2%-5% per level. It's pretty minimal training for a specific fit.

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>finally got into NCdot
>EVE is kill

>>380651006
You are ignoring the fact that many skills require lvl 5 in a previous skill to get, like gunnery and advanced weapon upgrades. Together they give you something like a 20% damage boost.

And 5% is a lot, that shit adds up.

>>380650640
Imperial Navy Slicers cost around 10-12mil isk. T2 ships are twice or three times that.

>>380650907
So wait, your argument is that a noob can't beat someone that's played the game for more than a day? Because that's the way it is in any MMO, if you're a level 1 character in WoW and 1 on 1 a level 110 character you get oneshot. If you're a day one character in EVE and you fight someone that outskills AND outpilots you, you're going to lose. The difference is that a rookie has a chance of killing a t2 ship in a t1 ship, unlike WoW where a level 1 character will never beat a 110 character.

>>380651692
AWU reduces power grid by 2% per level. Almost no situations exist where you need the 2% from IV to V.

Alphas can fly Imperial Navy Slicers, and since you seem to be unable to read everyone that influenced the fight in any way shows up on the zkill killboard.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62951265/

This Imp. Navy Slicer 100% solo'd the Nemesis, for example.

In short, have you even played the game?

>>380612775
Yea but Eve falls into Online Job category of time investment. It's also FFXI-tier of "boring 95% of the time" but when a fight happens holy shit you're trying to keep your heart from being shat out your bowels at mach 5.

I played it for about 5 years. Great game, just it's not for everybody. Unless you live in highsec and play as an ultra-casual then you need to have a lot of time to invest into it.

You need to be self-motivated and be able to set goals too cuz it's not like other MMOs that give you content on a silver platter. You have to find your content after camping someone's home system for a week studying their movements and habits. It's a social MMO too so you need to be able to meet people, make connections and such. If you play MMOs like a single player game then you'll go nowhere in Eve.

if I wanted to mess with spread sheets I would get a job

>>380614360
>2-3bil/month while alt tabbed
You got scammed mate, you can make that much doing 10min of PI a day. You can make 300mil/hour soloing C4 sites in a Loki too.

>>380651869
Imperial slicers cost a fuckton and are out of the reach of any new player.

The argument is that no, new alpha accounts are not useful in fights. You need a huge amount of ISK (relative) to fund flying navy slicers around in pvp where they will get blown up.

Additionally, you are ignoring the fact that those are covered with T2 modules which take at least a month to train into.

In short, get fucked you are still avoiding the argument.

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>let me tell you what EVE is like in 2017 even though I haven't actually played it in a decade and everything is different from what I remember

>>380649874
I think the sad thing of EVE is that although shit like carriers took a long time to get, we still eventually hit that point where everyone owns the best ships and it's only gotten hard for new players to get into things even via sucking corp dick. There hasn't been much to topple the established power base or allow for newer people to make a name for themselves, even when fights going out here and there, it's all remained stagnant.

Are there any other MMOs that lets me violate the NAP?

>>380650640
>>380650907
>docking up without a ship in station
>a "rookie ship" is given literally for free
..And these are outplaying ships literally hundreds of their worth.

https://zkillboard.com/character/96625077/

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62351248/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/58148752/

>>380632519
This. Whenever I try to get new people into Eve I get them to do Faction Warfare as soon as they've figured out the basic controls. Watching local/dscan, capping beacons, getting the occasional gudfite, feeling that adrenaline and then making isk from it all at the same time.

>>380652232
Alpha accounts are incredibly useful in fights, especially fleet fights. Pandemic Horde thrives off of newbeans in t1 fit cormorants alphaing cruisers off the field.

Also, INS aren't that expensive, even a newbro should be able to get one relatively quickly. Of course, he'll lose it, but that's the game.

What do you actually want? A game where someone that has played 12 years is on the same level as someone that's a day old? Because there's precisely zero MMOs that do that.

EVE is about picking your fucking fights. If you're in a frigate you don't solo-engage a cruiser.

Again, please name a game that does low level versus high level PvP well.

>>380652542
What established power base? The Casino Wars changed everything and that's almost a year ago.

>>380642869
You probably didn't hear, but a couple of years ago Goon got kill by half a dozen rich traders. They paid off the rest of the game to shank goons in the ass.

Goons disappeared for a while and now they just sit in Delve and pretend to be relevant.

>>380645991
I agree. On paper Eve sets up this game world where you need to interact with people in order to get shit done (logistics, trading, scouting etc) but instead we get guys like that "famous" miner who multiboxes 92 mining barges in highsec.

>>380646295
Yea kinda this too. When you're still training skills to unlock ships you always have something to look forward to but eventually you get to a point where you're training 3-month-long lvl 5 skills of shit you dont really care about and you can fly everything. At that point it just kinda becomes a money simulator with a bit of PVP on the side.

>>380649143
T1 Frigates and Destroyers is where PVP's at lad.

>>380650759
Except everything literally is a luxury item.

>making ISK in-game
Here >>380641335. There's no reason for working in-game at ~35c/hr. just for some fun PvP or some market capital.

>>380649368
>Actually, plenty of the combat is outflying the opponent ship.
This this this this a bajillion times this. Mistake all new players make when trying Eve pvp is clicking Orbit - 2500m and turning on all their modules.

PVP in Eve is 99.9% about Range, speed and overheating the right modules at the right time.

>>380650759
It costs like 200mil to fit a battleship tops and if you're living anywhere dangerous enough for it to be ganked you can make a few bil from PI every month.

>>380650907
>in a fleet
It shows the ships (also sorted under "solo").

>T2 modules
..Are super inexpensive. Examples of an ~8M ship winning against 32M+.

https://zkillboard.com/character/2112529864/solo/

>>380652041
This spreadsheet meme needs to stop. I played Eve for 6 years and have done everything in the game (to some degree) and haven't used a spreadsheet once.

Maybe if you're a station trader or something but only full-blown stock market wanna-be autists do that.

>>380612775
You know that EVE is in the middle of a full on fucking revolt from its player base as a result of some extremely poor decisions from CCP. If you're going to get into it, now probably isn't the time. The economy is facing collapse. Wait until CCP gets its shit together...if it gets its shit together. "Eve is dying" is a meme dating all the way back to 2007 but this time people are seriously contemplating whether or not its real.

every time I play EVE, I invest time and energy into getting setup to make tons of ISK and do something new. the setup is honestly exciting, and I put way more effort into it than any other video game.

once my setup is complete, I start doing whatever it is that I put all my hard work towards. Within a week, I realize it's boring as shit and quit.

I loved EVE when I was in university and had all the time in the world. I just don't have time to dedicate to making money and keeping up to date and knowing what's what and who's who and flaming people on CAOD and sitting on gates and pitching in on infrastructure and talking to people I don't really like anymore on TS every night.

It's a huge investment, and it was worth it when I could make that investment but I can't now so I just play card games.

Sometimes I really do miss that feeling when you log in the afternoon and look over your transactions and see all this money. Sometimes I miss losing five Sabres in a weekend. I definitely miss playing Winterbells while alt-tabbed on a gate in EC-. I don't think any game will ever bring the same sort of feelings that I had when I heard there was now a Titan and then when seeing it for real.

>>380612775
I'm not good with social interactions

>>380655671
Neither is anyone else who plays Eve.

>>380654690
Meanwhile I did the same but used spreadsheets for fucking everything at every step of the way.

>>380655753
>Game is all about social interactions
>No one who plays it is good with social interactions
Riight

>>380655974
Everyone who plays this game is a gigantic fucking nerd, including myself. Lack of social skills don't stop us from playing it.

>>380612775
99% of the time the game is FUCKING BORING TO PLAY

Been playing a lot recently. Flying in big fleets out in nullsec hunting juicy capital ships.

>>380656683
that 1% tho. I agree with you but sometimes I find myself missing that 1%. The shakes after getting your first solo PVP kill, holy fuck.

>>380612775
I stopped playing Eve a few years ago, but last time I played it, Eve was a very calculating game and you "won" it by playing very calculated moves in flexible shifts.

Maybe your fellow players were fun, but the game itself actually wasn't easily conductive to just relaxing and having fun. It was more like a second job.

>>380656742
What Corp are you a part of, out of curiosity?

>>380652101
What type of planets give you 800 mil a month each.

>>380658109
nullsec ones which are all held by alliances

which means you wont get any

>>380656742
Can't wait for player built gates. It's absurd that you can't lock down sovnull and are forced to let every nanoshitter looking for cheap kills roam your space

>>380658307
Wait, that is still ongoing? I remember us being a bit annoyed (but exploiting the hell out of it) about that half a decade ago.

>>380658471
It's even worse now that wormholes are a thing. There are corps that do nothing all day buy play wormhole lottery until they get whs leading to deep sovnull full of juicy potential killmails.

And once you've formed a fleet to kill them they run back to their wormhole, close it and open one to another region.

>>380612775
There are only two MMO's that ever really interested me for more than a week

first is eve online
second is planetside 2 (and before that 1)

Unfortunately both are full of fundamental issues that can't be patched up and require entirely new versions
But they are still the only good MMO's ever made

>>380658623
so what? thats an amazing gameplay

>>380657729
Doesn't really matter. That's what everyone is doing out there. Hunting. Taking more space for themselves.

>>380658307
That won't stop people coming through wormholes. But yeah player gates does sound interesting. Kind of.

>>380658109
>>380658203
Nullsec and wormholes. Just join some nullbloc that doesn't care if you fuck around elsewhere and use every character slot on your account for PI. Takes like 9 days to train an alt for it. The initial setup of the factories/buildings etc takes a couple of hours but once it's all set up it takes like 10min a day to pick up your shit. Often times you can even just sell it straight to your corp/alliance/nearby people because they'll use the shit you produce saving you having to haul it to Jita.

>>380658307
>>380658765

Or hot dropping black ops fleets on them when they're least expecting it.

>>380656813
Oh man this all came flooding back
>low sec
>couple of people in local
>flying a cyclone
>scan down a ferox ratting
>warp in
>mwd right at him and bump him before he aligns
>panic as someone enters local
>adrenaline
>pride
>greed
>remorse
>worry
>pride again

>>380658307
Well sorry for making you police your fucking space.

>>380624167
have any nudes of her? please post them

>>>/vg/179528329

>>380658623
Ouch. Yea, that very much reminds me of some years ago.

As a corps, we had a ridiculous KDR (~95% in terms of market value) without even picking on noobs or PKing random parties (save for that time when the goons declared on us), and it was very strongly due to us being able to just freely pick where to attack enemies.

>>380624553
Reading and understand is one thing but getting to experience it is another. ex. mining is pretty much a no-no from eve general but turn out it's can be socialize and forming a close relation with other corp. also provide a steady income while doing site is very risky and you are highly be on the short end of the deal.

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>finally get to a point where I can easily plex my account and can go participate in pvp
>game starts bleeding players

>>380612775

There was a long running /v/ based group that went through tons of corps and alliances, they're all just bitter vets now.

EVE fuckin sucks man.

>>380660501
I think it kind-of deserves it if it still hasn't addressed the big problems from years ago.

Sucks if you still love the game, though.

>>380660595
>they're all just bitter vets now.
So /v/ didn't win or did they get bored of winning?

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>>380660501
Actually F2P or whatever is making the PCU up quite a bit over non-F2P. 7k PCU.

>>380662659
From the bottom of the last year, at least.

3k over right before the patch.

>>380661423
>So /v/ didn't win or did they get bored of winning?
They're in Pandemic Legion now (and PL is basically what used to be BoB)

>>380662659
Its standard for companies who make f2p games to install bitcoin miners in them to leak more money from the playerbase.

>>380651869
>In short, have you even played the game?
Yes, and I don't care if it's "just x%", the idea that no matter what I do, I won't be able to catch up to the other players (before the servers shut down anyway) does not make it a very attractive game to play.

>>380662998
SP extraction and trading is a thing now.

>>380652935
>What do you actually want? A game where someone that has played 12 years is on the same level as someone that's a day old? Because there's precisely zero MMOs that do that.
No, but in almost every other MMO you can catch up in 6-12 months max.

>>380662802
Ah, BoB. Good enemies for a bunch of fights from 2005 - 2011 or so.

Too bad we mostly didn't have the numbers to effect strategic victory (or be their main opponent, really).

Anyhow, hope our valued enemies will make a comeback or something.

>/v/ corp
Wot.

>>380664632
broski

>>380658203
I already have 5 planets in null sec. I'm asking what type. Storm? Lava?

>>380664632
broski
autistic sharks
haters gonna hate
oruze cruise

>>380662998
Yea, it's a pretty stupid feeling, but unfortunately MMO do that since it keeps players around much longer than arena-style fair play games.

That said, when I played Eve, it took about 4 months or so for a character to become pretty good at whatever it was skilled for. [Of course that still meant you wanted alts and stuff so you could do more.]

It's a shit game at its core with unresponsive boring gameplay.

>>380665384
And if you had the patience, you basically won the game. Though running the economy was really kind-of interesting.

>>380666332
I've had over a year worth of patience for this shit game. Not anymore.

Join All-Out

>>380666479
Oh, I'm not telling you to keep playing. Just stating how you generally win.

Play it patiently and very methodically with a lot of alts. And you win at EVE.

>>380667185
A sad state of affairs.

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>born too late to fight in the great wars and to dupe fullerite
>born too early to get into a good corp without killboard and SP requirements
>born just in time to multibox Freighters while mining in high sec

>>380667237
It basically has been the state of affairs all along since before I joined the game.

If you were in a corp of methodical people, you got tons of money and could maintain >90% kill-death efficiency for years.

if not, well, you were with the people on the other side of that equation. Though not all of EVE was as silly as we were.

>>380663148
There's a deal that CCP is giving for reporting RMT. Dealing with and reporting real-money trading allows keeping the items, although asked to allow them to check items purchased for trade routes.

Say $70 is up for spending on a WoW account -- the base game and the xpac. That's 28 skill injectors. Training into Titan I is just 19 skill injectors. Training all frigates and all small turrets to V is 7 skill injectors.

>play a few years back
>start out running missions and realizing they don't pay well at all
>try PI but it didn't pay either
>decided to get on the mining meme
>eventually running 5 mining bots
>question what the point of playing even is if all I'm doing is watching numbers go up
>give up
>start back up a week ago out of nostalgia
>realize it's the exact same thing
>about to give up again

What am I even supposed to do? There has to be a better way to make money than highsec mining bots

>>380655974
>EVE players
>Interacting
They're chatboxes and bots. There's not much going on in there.

>>380668414
No, see, that's why the game is shit. There's no fun to be had, only autistic grinding.

>>380668969
Production and low sec industry was generally more lucrative.

But even more of a job, I guess. You can still make more money than you can easily waste.

>>380669350
It's surely the wrong pastime for most people.

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>>380668969
>There has to be a better way to make money than highsec mining bots
Nearly anyfuckingthing that isn't mining in highsec.
Leave highsec, find some dudes to play the game with.

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>>380668628

>>380669495
And this is why it's ded.
Here's your answer to OP.

>>380670252
>getting ISK
>winning

>>380670013
I can't afk in low/nullsec though and I'd like to be able to actually do other things while earning the money to pay for plex

>>380671058
What are you even trying to say?

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>>380671080
>grinding/mining to pay for plex with isk
>disregarding all space but highsec
You won't have fun with EVE, nevermind.

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>k-space

There are no endgame goals like skins for ISK that I know of, and if there were, you wouldn't even see them

Then there's a brilliant character editor that is completely USELESS in game and if you ever thought of using your ISK to whore up and do some shit it's useless too.

ISK is useful for two or three things: Buying ships to lose them, buy PLEX and dick measuring. That's it, there's no more to it in EVE.

>>380671598
I need to plex to even be able to train real skills. Even years ago as I understood it your character was pretty useless until you got about 4 months of SP. These are fresh alpha clones, what are they useful for before becoming omega? I'm not against going into unsafe territory and actually want to but I know I'll just get killed if I do right now.

If all I wanted to do is hang out in highsec and mine, why would I bother using a bot to do it while watch things instead?

>>380672497
>These are fresh alpha clones, what are they useful for before becoming omega?
exploration in C1-C3 WHs and nullsec (high risk of losing your 1m Isk ship, high reward, medium to low risk if you're in some nullblob and stick to their space, teaches you useful habits)
salvaging super/carrier ratting leftovers in a sovnull corp, 50m+ per hour in a cheap destroyer, pretty safe but boring
joining FW and plexing in a stabbed frigate or destroyer, boring but more Isk/h than mining
belt ratting in nullsec/killing clone soldiers in lowsec

>If all I wanted to do is hang out in highsec and mine, why would I bother using a bot to do it while watch things instead?
if that's what you want to do you should do it with several accounts at once. if you're plexing your single account with highsec mining you should move to deep sovnull instead and make 2-3 times the isk/h. it's still pretty safe, you'll get mining boosts and you can semi afk because there will be 30 other guys watching intel chanels

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>>380672497
>I need to plex to even be able to train real skills
Subscribe to the game, gather SP while learning the ropes. Grinding to plex your account is boring as sin.
>I'll just get killed
If dying is scary to you, practice it. Go get killed outside highsec in something cheap. Then die some more, and try to learn something while dying. Maybe try to take someone down with you.
Ships and clones are ammunition to be expended.

The game is what you make of it. If you want to grind or mine for pennies an hour, more power to you. If you want to get involved with other players and actually play the game, do it.

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>>380671729
>"dude, if you're new join All-Out, it's perfect for new players"
>literally nothing you can do in wormhole space as a new player other than scouting wormholes and anomalies for the corp
>you need to do an hour worth of scouting wormholes just to get back into k-space so can actually do something like hunting some relic sites

>>380674071
But C1-C3 WHs have the same relic sites as nullsec? And gas mining doesn't take much SP and is available to alphas.

>>380674779
>But C1-C3 WHs have the same relic sites
Don't they spawn enemies that instagib you as a new player? Also aren't the puzzles more difficult?

>>380665051
Do research and decide what your of materials you wanna make. My advice is to try and make a couple of things in case the market price tanks on the one thing you're Mass producing or demand guess down.

Back in the day I made coolant, uranium and robotics and I basically never had to farm isk unless I wanted to PvP in something more expensive than cruisers.

I've never played EVE before, is it still possible to get into?

>>380674970
Nope. In fact C1-C3 WH relic sites with pirate names are easier to scan than the same sites that spawn in nullsec. The difficulty of the cans is the same IIRC.

https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Relic_and_data_sites

>>380675465
It's easier than ever to get started in EVE

>>380675465
Don't do it, it's not worth the time.

>>380675796
Well, I think their HQ was in a wormhole higher than C3, pirate sites were few in neighbouring systems and usually already half looted by somebody else.

Nullsec had higher yields in that regard, because it was easier to find actually untouched sites and there were more of them.

>>380676317
Why not?

>>380676737
Because he's some bitter ex who's tired of the game after playing (and probably enjoying) it for years.

>>380673732
assuming I only play by myself due to social retardation, which of these is best? I've heard of the wormhole stuff since I first started years ago, is it fun?

>>380673753
I'm not paying money for a dead mmo, sorry ccp. I'm not scared of dying, I just feel it would be throwing away money that I don't have much of right now. I'd rather not grind but it seems to be what you need to do to set yourself up at first.

>>380677205
Or just not a psychopath like most of the player population.

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Context for this thread: CCP is having a bad year and the playerbase is sperging about dev mismanagement. Sub numbers are dropping, so shills are trying to recruit summerfags to waste their shekels on this shitty fucking game.

Don't fall for it.

The value of buying into EVE has gone way up after Windows stopped coming with free Excel Spreadsheet software.

>>380677205
You can fuck right off you subhuman filth.
>>380676737
Because the game is trash at its core.

>>380678287
Let me add a little bit to that:
Spending hours looking for people you can actually fight doing nothing of interest in the meanwhile.

>>380677620
exploration, once you get the hang of it you can squat in some alliance's space and run their sites
check out twitch.tv evescout for best practices

>>380612775

EvE is weird. It's great because it's this loose, unrestricted universe. But I don't want to do anything in it. Unless I make a certain amount of isk I'm down $, but at the same time the 5-10 hours it takes to make that isk I could pay for the sub within less than an hour of regular work. I don't want to pay for a game I don't have to but I dont want to spend money on something I don't have to.

Mining is boring, Exploration is fine, PvE is basic and after getting the hang of it uneventful. I could pvp random people small scale, or do fleet battles. If I pvp random people its fine, but my only other option is fleet battles. I get compensated so I don't care, but thats it. Compare it to something like GW2 and ESO, they're FAR more restrictive, and limited. Extremely so. But at the same time their large scale pvp is only a small part of what they offer. A small % of the playerbase has experienced the fun risk/reward of titans, and literally owning large areas of nullsec, and thats probably why they're still playing. But it's just not quite engaging enough for me. I have no complaints, nothing I need them to do to fix it. It's just not for me.

>>380678590
>twitch

Reddit pls go

>>380612775
I tried EVE and quit because i played for 6000 hours and thought it's time i play some other shit in my ridiculous backlog

best MMO

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>>380678569

Pretty much.

>>380678590
alright thank you, I'll look into it

>>380678569
You could listen to 1812 Overture on repeat for hours while you click though space.

>>380677873
but anon what MMO should I play

>>380680020
Play TERA of course, it has cute lolis

How do you make money in faction warfare? Do you need to use the same ship type as the faction you're fighting for? How do you know where the fighting is going on?

>>380680739
>How do you make money in faction warfare?
you get loyality points you can trade in for faction ships and modules for killing the opposing faction and defending or conquering systems by capturing beacons. there are also FW missions.

>Do you need to use the same ship type as the faction you're fighting for?
no

>How do you know where the fighting is going on?
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/today
if you want to fight and not just farm LP join a FW corp

>>380681336
Thanks, anon. What kind of ship would you recommend training towards then? A frigate, or something bigger? I've heard HACs are really good, or at least were good at some point. Also doesn't fighting for one side completely wreck your relation with the opposing faction? Is FW something you should only do on a character that you never intend to travel with? I don't want to get shot on gates after I get bored of FW or advance into another area of gameplay.

>>380681774
>What kind of ship would you recommend training towards then? A frigate, or something bigger?
frigates and destroyers. they're fast enough to evade most gate camps and so cheap that capturing a single plex can pay for a new ship.
FW plexes are restricted by ship class

you can solo in cruisers once you know what you're doing (or once you've found a FW corp and you've got backup) but if you're just starting out they're just expensive loss mails.

>Also doesn't fighting for one side completely wreck your relation with the opposing faction? Is FW something you should only do on a character that you never intend to travel with? I don't want to get shot on gates after I get bored of FW or advance into another area of gameplay.

HACs are pretty bad, i'd train for t1 frigates and destroyers, tech 3 destroyers and then move on to cruisers/battlecruisers and logistics.

>Also doesn't fighting for one side completely wreck your relation with the opposing faction? Is FW something you should only do on a character that you never intend to travel with? I don't want to get shot on gates after I get bored of FW or advance into another area of gameplay.

it takes a while to get to that point if you're not running missions. in the long run you'll get shot at by NPCs in either highsec amarr/caldari or gallente/minmatar space but you can still move through in a fast ship. it's also not irreversible. grinding standings back up isn't as fast as fixing sec status but it's not that big of a deal once you have a couple million SP in combat skills.

>>380673295
That's legit OCD. That anon needs help

Eve Online is the crowning achievement of a shitty design philosophy. Its basic problem is that everything you actually do in game is the most goddamn boring shit that might make you shoot yourself in the face to relieve the monotony. Or more likely, you'll just fall asleep and go play something else instead.

There is nothing good about the ship combat. There is nothing good about the universe and exploring it. Rather, the game is a laissez-faire capitalism simulator where all the real action happens in corporation politics. The real game takes place outside of the game mechanics, instead happening in the chat windows and forums outside the game. Good space games include Freelancer, Escape Velocity, and the X series. Coming from those games, Eve is the worst game ever made.

>>380687010
There will never be another good space game and Star Citizen will likely kill the genre for at least 5 years.

>>380687742
Star Citizen won't kill anything because it won't ever come out and the genre is already dead regardless.

>>380612775
>piloting mechanics are terrible
>hotkeys are substandard
>no way to type console-commands to improve gameplay
>UI is shit
>Training is lol just wait
>only measure of success is accumulation of ISK
>all activities are boring and shit and only measure of an activity's worth is ISK
>ISK inflation is getting worse
>cancerous alts
>wait here for 5 hours pvp
>warp to within 0m carebear stupidity makes pvp and interdiction dumb
>everybody cloaking all the time like cowards as they idle next to a gate
>hiding in dock
>asset security carebear
so much more wrong with EVE.