Code Vein

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>>380577153
looks pretty good

>literal dark souls clone
Pass.

>>380577153
looks a little bit better than lords of the fallen

Get back to me when they show the character creation and the options for creating a cute girl PC.

>>380577153
>cape actually moving
This can't be made by the god eater devs.

>>380577153
looks better than Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2 30fps console edition.

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>>380577651
>character creation is good
when will this meme die?

>>380577153
Wasn't Bandai Namco's attempt at Dark Souls just Dark Souls?

>>380577864
>having more options is bad
When will you die?

>>380577976
>having option to create a meme without a name just to have the autistic option to input a name or make a hairstyle or whatever useless autistic garbage
you are the cancer here my friend

>>380577153
Godamn DS2-grade lasagna walk animation.

>>380577272
Your webm or the video ?
I think both look average at best and I can feel the 30fps from the video.
I wonder if they will understand the weapon aspect of Dark Souls, imagine if they make only one moveset per weapon's class...

>>380578034
what did he mean by this?

>>380578034
>my friend
I had enough of that shit when I went to the United Caliphat-- Sorry, UK.
Get out.

>MH clone maker now make a DS clone
wew lad

>>380578164
>more, more more more more!
fat useless cancer

The blood spraying on the floor fades pretty quickly. Oughta last much longer, I reckon.

>>380577153
did I have technical issues with playing the video or is the framerate total shit?

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>>380577153
>those clothing physics

holy shit it looks so jittery and bad

>>380578350
No the framerate is at best 30, I think they took too far the whole "cloning Dark souls,Bloodborne" deal ,maybe they think that sub-30 fps is a part of the experience.

I dunno, It looks kind of boring to me.
Something about the attack pattern of the enemies seems... uninspired, for the lack of a better word. Hitting them also doesn't seem very satisfying.

Shit's pretty though

>>380577915
Pretty sure they just published it, no?

>>380577153
Well, they fixed the "attacks have no weight" issue at least. Here's hoping they show off a lot more interesting stuff down the road.

>>380577153
>Dark Souls with animu girls
Sounds good to me.

>>380577153
Combat looks a lot chunkier than from the reveal. The environments and enemies look fine but jesus christ those outfits.

Code Vein looks good.
pm me if you want to fight about it

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>>380577153
>anime Dark Souls

>>380577153
Literally dark souls, even the sounds are almost indistinguishable.

How are they getting away with this?

I don't know why but the setting just doesn't look interesting to me. Maybe when they show off more areas and they actually look different I'll consider it.

>Sword looks flaccid as hell
>Halberd looks like THE CHUNKEST weapon ever.
So, they know how to do impact, I guess the sword types just don't have it.

>>380577153
Pls answer this someone. I've been excited for the game since the beginning but... Character Creation... yes or no?

>>380577272
Out of all the souls clones, this looks the most copy and pasted.

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>>380577153
>horrible cloth physics
>awkwardly slides when moving sideways
Even Demon's Souls has better animation than this shit

>>380579721

One hand swords never had impact in any of the Souls games. A lot of them just phase through enemies. I think the most weighty sword I ever used was the dark sword, simply because its heavy attack can send people flying.

>>380579873

Yes. It was one of the first announcements. Details are on gematsu.

>>380579873
Yes.

>>380579873
Yes
> http://gematsu.com/2017/04/code-vein-character-customization-large-variety-fields

For something that's only 30% finished, it's decent. Animations need a lot of work though. Its pretty stiff. Especially some monster animations that just snap into place.

>>380577153
How is this "their attempt at Dark Souls" when Dark Souls is their IP?

PREPARE TO DINE
HAHAHAHHHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA
What a shitshow.

>>380579994
>>380580004
>>380580006

Nice! This is already shaping up to the best Souls-like. Even better than Nioh.

>>380578831

Yeah. I think the monsters have like only 2-3 attacks, and a lot of them have very small hitboxes. Like if you panic roll like the guy in the vid, you'd fucking die in Dark Souls 3.

>>380577153
Looks pretty dull. Should've made it faster instead of it just being a straight up Souls clone with worse animation.

>>380577396
>I hate video games

>>380577272
fuck man the enemies look so good and weighty then it's all ruined when your weeb lord attacks.

>>380580108

Maybe because From is no longer working for them. This is Bamco's attempt to at cash in on the remaining Souls audience one more time.

It's not working though.

>>380580006
SHOW ME THE BOOB SLIDER

Looks good, glad to see this "genre" will still continue after FROM.

>>380580227
No, DS3 is all about easymode panic rolls because rolls cost next to no stamina.

>>380580309

the sword animations look gay, but the halberd one I like.

The overhead smash looks pretty sweet and impactful. Just needs maybe some dust parting effects.

>>380577272
This has coop? This is important, I love coop

>>380579564
Because Namco published Dark Souls and have partial ownership of the IP, but not enough to make a game without From's permission or input and From don't want to do Dark Souls anymore. Code Vein is literally just Namco trying to continue the cash cow.

>>380580404

You can, but if you panic roll that late, you'd kiss the floor instead. Halberd or axe wielding enemies in DS3 have fucking bullshit hitboxes that if they so much hit the air before you get you slammed around.

>>380580310
>It's not working though.
That isn't stopping them from joining threads to complain about a game they "have no interest" in, though. I'm willing to bet a lot of Souls fans will "buy" this just to complain further.

>>380580424
Yes.

>>380580527
Then my wallet will be ready

>>380580412
the problem I have is there are no recovery frames from the looks of it. while attacks have wind up animations (which is good) they don't seem to have any feeling of "impact" because you character just insta swings after slamming the ground.

>>380577864
Is that Georgina Reilly?

>>380580424
as far I've seen and read thats one of the 2 buddies they shown, maybe there is like a coop system or even an "invade" system that your guy seeks for blood.

About time we get a completely new IP with these mechanics, it's the most fun when you don't know anything about any character, weapon or item in these games.

>>380577153
it's just, Dark Souls enemies have these subtle reactions to attacks if they're not being outright staggered

but even if they sometimes dont, the attacks are designed accordingly, it does not look pleasing to slice through an enemy like jello and him not reacting to it at all, like it did nothing

this some 2004 shit

>>380579564
Because Bamco own the Dark Souls IP, but they're not silly enough to think that they'd get away in the eyes of a consumer with a non-From DaS 4 five minutes after DaS 3 and From openly saying they're done with the genre for the foreseeable future.

I mean, the chainmail walking and slashing sounds are probably from some generic souls but goddamnit does it sound too much like a Souls game to me.

>>380580629
Wrong, DS1/2 enemies that poise through attacks don't have any animation of being hit besides blood effects.

>>380580629

Depends on the enemies. "Large" enemies like Black Knights outright poise through your attacks.

>>380577153
Looks good but I dislike the graphics/textures. Sometimes it looks good but some times it looks awful. The world environments don't look bad but look at the girls face, it looks like they used entirely different textures. It's so off putting and weird.

>>380580618
>>380580424

I'm no longer sure where I read this, but I recall that it has Coop + AI Buddy. I think it was on gematsu or twitter.

>>380580697
>>380580710

right, but like i say, in those cases, attacks are designed accordingly

attacking a big fucking dragon sounds and feels meaty, and gives you reason to believe that the enemy is too tough or big to be that marginally affected by just one attack, so it doesnt feel like your hacking at a dynasty warriors enemy

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>>380577153
Combat looks bad because you don't have to recover after a hit.
Shit even BB had recovery frames after your swing your shit around.

Looks like bosses follow the DS rules of combat and your character follows DMC or GOW rules.

>>380578350
Console version of game most likely.

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>>380580210
>Mfw one of the more recent games they made had fun as fuck clothing customisation

I hope Code Vein will have it too.

>>380579687
It's about as bland as a destroyed city can possibly get. The complete absence of colour is the big problem.

>it actually its a gameplay vid and not another cutscenes trailer
nice

It's weird but for some reason this game suffers from the same problems I have with other Souls games.

At first glance, the game looks beautiful and detailed, but once you see it all in motion, everything suddenly looks like it was made on early PS3. Took me like 10 mins to go from wow "From has really improved" to "Damn, this looks like the same game from 5 years ago" when I first played DaS3.

>>380580697
In Bloodborne and 3 enemies will still flinch even if they have enough poise to not be staggered out of the animation.

The sword flying straight through an enemy with over the top blood spray and exaggerated slicing sound, but no effect on the enemy, makes the game look floaty.

Even classic Wow had flinching animations.

>>380580865
There is no difference on player animation from an attack hitting the air or hitting through a "meaty" enemy.

You're just trying to find excuses to shit on this game.
The enemy will only stagger or react to a hit if gets poise broken, otherwise you'll only see sparks and blood from their model.

>>380580996
>>380579687

It looks almost exactly like the destroyed city area from God Eater. Hopefully the other areas are more interesting.

>>380580440
>Because Namco published Dark Souls and have partial ownership of the IP
Nigger what? No they don't. In the first place they only published 2 in the west and 3 worldwide.

>>380581004
DS3 and BB aren't even close to looking like "a game from 5 years ago" you're retarded.

This game might look worse because it's a more bland apocalyptic setting.

>>380581004
games dont look different than what we used to get tat the end of ps2 generation anyway

>>380580803
Thanks for the info.

Oh and that huge motion blur effect surrounding enemy weapon swings is fucking hideous and in no way disguises how lackluster the whole thing looks

I hope there's an option to disable that because if the framerate is already gonna be that low the last thing I want is more graphical clutter

>>380581105
Not him but they published 1 as well, though From still published it in Japan.

>>380581068

They can remedy this with two options.

a. add more hit stop or screen shake with attacks
b. add subtle vibrations on the enemy model or just outright flinch slightly

Given that the devs actually listened and added more pronounced hit reactions, all we need now to is to bombard their twitter again with complaints

>>380580956
But Bamco had nothing to do with Freedom Wars.

>>380581275
Either way Bamco have no ownership of the IP.

>>380581272
DS games do the same so you can see the swing arc of weapons better and judge ranges better.
It's a good thing.

>>380581289
>a. add more hit stop or screen shake with attacks
Please no, I fucking hate both of those.

>>380577153
Those sounds are so bad that if they don't change them, I won't buy it.
Like seriously who the fuck thought those hit sounds and that retarded walking 'steps' sound was a good idea? I hope he gets fired.

>>380577153
I don't know if it's the YouTube compression or not, but the blur fucks with my brain a little.
Interested in the game though.

>>380581174

I'm just saying that the graphics get dated really fast. By the time I came to Firelink Shrine, I could swear I playing DaS1. I guess it doesnt help that From was reusing textures.

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>>380577153
I'm on board. Looking forward to seeing what else they show later on.

>>380581292
Isn't Code Vein developed by the God Eater team?

>>380581417

They actually already changed it before, because the initial ones were so fucking bad. I'm sure if more people complain at them, they'll polish it up again.

>>380581365
>"It seems like there was a misunderstanding in a previous interview in relation to a remake or a remastering of the game, so let me reiterate here. The Dark Souls series is Bandai Namco Entertainment’s IP, and Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne is Sony Interactive Entertainment’s IP. Hence, the decision to do a remake or remastering is under their jurisdiction."

http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2016/07/08/miyazaki-demons-souls-remaster-up-to-sony/216179/

After the Demon's Souls debacle with Yoshida, From were offered a deal by Bamco to make a series of multiplatform not-Demon's Souls game for them after DeS (The publishing rights for Europe of which they'd picked up off Sony for peanuts) had turned into a cult hit.

>>380581545

Yes. But Freedom Wars was actually headed by Japan Studio. GE team was only there as a collab effort.

>>380581545
Shift aren't owned by Bamco, they just have a good relationship with them.

those animations are horrible they need to fix that

>>380581292
"Code Vein, Bandai Namco’s upcoming action RPG from God Eater staff"

"As the team leader, Yusuke Tomizawa will oversee both God Eater and Code Vein"

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They've improved the combat alot since the first trailer. Game looks pretty too, still my most anticipated game. Never played Dark Souls or whatever since it really didn't interest me. Some people seem to be saying it's too fast, but honestly if it was slower then personally I'd just find it obnoxious.

>>380581667

Monster death animation was particularly cringey. Like before he falls down, he turns into a fucking statue with little to no ragdoll physics.

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>all this nitpicking

Holy shit just give it up. This game is not going to become the new Dark Souls. Just keep playing that until the servers get shut down.

I guess Souls is now officially a gaming genre.
Guess FROM wasn't just satisfied with outdoing every Zelda game.

>>380581961

Not, From's fault. Miyazaki is actually trying to get away from Souls games because it's bad for the future of the company to focus only one type of game. Not their fault that a lot of companies, even fucking Ubisoft, wants to copy them.

>>380581601
Well that's odd, why would FromSoft have been publishing the first two games in Japan themselves then?

>>380581961
Souls isn't the first to popularise its genre, you overripe bag of piss.

>>380582110
They did the same thing with the two Otogi games done under Sega.

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>>380581843

Hey, I like the game too man since an anime souls is something I actually wanted. But I wont deny that the game at the moment is in very rough shape.

But that said, I'm surprised the game was actually nominated for best of E3. Goes to show how damn lackluster this year was.

>>380581753
>Some people seem to be saying it's too fast
Who? I've only seen people say the opposite.

>>380582290
I was mainly deducting that from the complaints about the low recovery on attacks. It might just be because I haven't experienced whatever Souls combat is, but I really don't see how it would be necessary to have even more than it already is.

>>380577272
looks kinda shit. i dont like how you can hit the enemy with zero reaction on their part, it's like your weapons aren't doing anything. that makes for unsatisfying feeling combat which is lame af

>>380582181
What games did summoning/invasions and parallel worlds for every player before souls?

>>380582409
Those are mechanics within the series, not a genre-defining trait.

>>380582395

He's trolling. The updated version is in OP's post where monsters now react to hits more often.

>>380582395
you are retarded

hit reaction works the same way as in souls. smaller enemies get staggered if you hit them but bigger enemies either dont react or need several hits till they get staggered

>>380577153
Looks better than I expected desu. Based nips.

>>380582394
There's no reason for it to be a straight up Souls clone. It's already gone for an over the top anime aesthetic, so it would be better served by making the combat faster and more action-based. Like Freedom Wars is to Monster Hunter. As is it just looks like a mediocre Souls clone.

>>380582597
Bamco already has God Eater for fast actiony gameplay. In that regard Vein being what it is makes sense.

>>380577153
I wish this was on Switch.

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>>380582484
They're at least a sub genre now.
FROM and Miyazaki should be proud, very few devs gets to start a fire this big and this bright.

>>380582731
Nigger what? God Eater is a hunter game, this wants to be a Souls-like. God Eater plays nothing like this, and even if Code Vein were made faster and flashier it still wouldn't.

>>380582597

According to their twitter these are just basic attacks. From what I've read on gematsu, you also get access to blood spells, like that claw attack in the trailer.

>>380577153

At least this almost certainly means that Fromsoft are working with a different publisher for their next project(s) instead of Bamco.

Which is good, because Bamco was largely at fault for the fuckups in all 3 Dark Souls games because of how they rushed development in the first game and heavily interfered with development in 2 & 3 to the point that what was originally 1 game got split up into 2 games.

I hope their shitty clone flops and they lose a shitload of money because of it.

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>>380583112
From were bought out by Kadokawa in 2014, so they'll presumably have more money to play with in the future.

That said, Kadokawa don't really seem to take publishing overseas particularly seriously. God Wars is the vanity project of the gaming division's president, and NISA are publishing in in the West.

>We want the souls audience but edgier than Bloodborne
>Well, we can't possibly get more edgy than that
>Hold my sake

>treat genre defining studio like shit
>they get snapped up by a company that will give them the tools to create one of the greatest games of all time
>they come back to you and make another rehash to fulfill their contractual obligation and then fuck off
>see your profits shrinking
>continue to beat a dead horse because you are creatively bankrupt
>make yet another rehash, but don't even include the studio this time
This will be funny to watch crash and burn.

>>380577153
I thought this was a From Software game? Atleast that's what I heard when it was first announced.

>>380583719
You might be retarded.

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>>380577153
>modern day
>that floaty as fuck combat
Literally my mom's attempt at fusing Dark Souls and Darksiders.

>>380583112

I shit is already dead in Japan anyway. There's barely any fucking fanart of it on Pixiv, which is what most people usually use to stir up buzz of a new game. Only a few weebs will buy this shit.

>>380583857
The game hasn't been marketed heavily at all, it really isn't that surprising.

>>380577153
>those clothes physics
>those barely any weight animation

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>>380577153
>guys guys
>how about making souls clone but with cute anime girls and edgy nothing personal sasukes?!
>cool let's do it
GOTY right here

>>380581843
You'd see this type of nitpicking if DaS4 or BB2 was announced as well.
Soulsfags love to whine about anything new.

>>380583719
>I thought this was a From Software game?
>Developer: Namco Bandai

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>>380584456
only because the bar is set slightly higher than just above the ground like with other games

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>weebshit graphics

>>380584456
It was inevitable, nothing with any resemblance to Souls can go without this type of shitposting. I'm honestly looking forward to when the game launches so they'll all fuck off when people start talking about cute girls.

>>380577153
If this was Koei they would make a demo and get player feedback.

>>380584767
but it looks good though

>>380584978
They've pretty clearly already been taking feedback. The biggest complaints from the first reveal (aside from people just bitching about it being too anime) were fixed.

>>380584978
If this was Koei they would make 3 different kinds of enemies.

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>>380577272

>player just whacks enemies with his beatstick without any feedback or weight at all

Even fucking NRS is better than them at this point. What the fuck.

>>380577153
>>380577272
Not bad, better than expected.

>>380585118
That's from the first trailer, look at the OP video dumbass. They changed exactly that.

>>380577153
looks better than the first footage we were shown (>>380577272) but it still looks pretty bad

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Personally I think it looks fun.

I like weebshit. I like Souls games. And I don't mind the edgy shit.
I didn't mind God Eater. It wasn't all bad. And this looks great in comparison.

I'll buy it.

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>>380585286
>>380577153

>those clipping clothe physics
>stiff as fuck animations
>fucking chainmail sound effects when he's wearing leather
>monsters have only 2 attacks

Looks like a straight-to-Vita game that gets eventually ported to the PS3. It's low budget as fuck.

>>380585073
They should still do a demo.

>>380577153
it's literally dark souls with worse gameplay and designs
>muh giant anime swords that weigh nothing

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>they actually made the hits feel heavy in the new trailer
Nice

>>380580248
This honestly, trying to find a good middle point between the soul formula and the GE formula would have been more interesting and ambitious.

>>380585073
except nothing has been fixed

>>380585465
What part of that looks like it weighs nothing? Are you just shitposting at this point?

>>380585562
The main complaint was that there was no weight behind the weapons and that the monsters didn't react appropriately, something they definitely fixed. You'd have to be retarded to even pretend otherwise.

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>>380577153

>no recovery frames after every attack

Why did they even bother to copy Souls when they're obviously bad at it?

>>380585646
Not everything needs to be as slow as Souls. Just because it's not an extreme-paced action game doesn't mean it has to move at turtle speed.

>>380581004
thats because of the shitty postprocessing effects/shaders

bb visuals suffered from it a a little bit, but ds3 visuals got totally annihilated because they just slapped that same grey washed out blurry bloomy filter from bb on top of ds3, without readjusting for different world setting and lightning. Even das2 looks better ( sometimes )

the same appears to be happening here - generic post processing filter that just ruins everything.

Is the cute girl with russian hat a actual character or just player made

Code vein > Days gone
Id rather have another Dark Souls clone than a generic survival zombie game

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>>380586080
Actual character, likely the most important one given how she takes the centerpiece in everything.

>>380585612
>>380585473
The best thing about this game is that those people clearly care about the feedbacks, but I doubt that they will be able / will have enough time to change it enough to be actually good.

I thought the game would be more Bloodborne than Dark souls.

>>380586226
Well we've only seen basic attacks so far and 2 weapon types. The Blood Veils haven't been showed off at all.

>>380586226
That would have been much more reasonable since it's team god eater and all. What the hell bamco.

>>380582092
Miyazaki is trying to get away because he hates working on series. He's an artiste type but that Souls money was too good.

>>380586165
waifu souls

>>380586026

Looked better because the lighting hid the low res environments. But in games where it's nothing but orange and brown like this and DaS3, the bland as fuck areas become apparent really fast.

Even Nioh managed to somehow avoid this by hiding it behind night time areas, caves and rain.

>>380586226
This. That they're even using rolls instead of dashes seems bizarre.

it might be fun but the environment shown looks boring as fuck.

>>380586553

Bamco probably has some of Dark Souls' code so it wouldn't be surprising if Code Vein is literally built on left over pieces of Dark Souls, whereas all the data in BB is at Sony's. Wouldnt be surprised if they did make BB2 without From.

>>380586553
They probably don't feel comfortable ripping off a Sony ip.

>>380579421
To each his own but the anime part absolutely ruined it for me. Kawaii bosses are the last thing we need

>>380586918
Well you have Dark Souls for that. Personally I'm not remotely a fan of western aestethics, so this is perfect.

It's weird that they seem to be pushing this more on the Xbox.

>>380587129
They've actually been pushing it mostly for Playstation, but for some reason they decided to show it on the Microsoft conference. Makes no sense really, nobody in the crowd gave a shit, and all it did was make Sony's conference look even more lackluster.

>>380587129
It's the only Xbox weeb game, from a marketing point of view they should try to push it as hard as possible to compensate that.

>>380587235
Sony doesn't really like to show off Japanese games at it's conferences.

>>380577153

Am I imagining things or are they using the DaS2 walking/zoning animations?

>>380587334
Nah.

Male character looks like a faggot and playing a girl is not an option for me.

dropped

>>380587508
Doesn't it have character creation?

>>380587508
>I self-insert in all my games
Faggot.

One thing I've noticed is that two handed weapons can be seamlessly switched from two handed attacks to one handed mid-combo. That's neat I guess.

>>380587508
Or you could just, make your own character.

>>380587604
I dunno you tell me.

>>380587668
But can I make a fat American? Of corse I can't.

>>380587748
They haven't shown the character creator yet.

>>380586165
Or given centerpiece because waifu.
I imagine Japanese fans would rather have the cute girl than the red haired dude appear on the cover.

>>380587604
>>380587668

If character customization isn't limited to face/hairstyle, ok.

>>380587621
>I self-insert in all my games

yes

>>380587925
>I'm a faggot
Yes.

>>380586165

>ushanka
>guns
>is also probably Russian

Please be voiced by Uesaka Sumire

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>>380587869
It's literally all the promo art, the red haired guy is shown basically nowhere. The bait and switch really wouldn't be worth it since they would be the one losing money on it.

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>bamco tried to make monster hunter clones
>flopped
>other devs tried to make souls clones
>none sold as good and most flopped
>bamco want to make souls clones
>flop???

At least that DBZ fighter will sell well though

>>380588117

What is Nier Automata?

Trust me. That blonde loli is going to be monster chow.

>>380588526
>What is Nier Automata?

A game that didn't involve Shift devs?

Either your carefree senpai will die or you'll have to choose between twintails or her brother.

>>380588638

No. She is going to have her head put on a pike so that the MC can make the final transition into the ultimate edgelord. Complete with theme music by T.M. Revolution.

>>380577272
>it's another "rolling solves literally any problem" game
Souls games poisoned their own genre

>>380588638
It's not her brother, they all have lost memories or something similar. They're just remaining survivors that haven't succumbed to becoming Lost Ones by way of consuming blood.

>>380588847
I mean if any characters will die early it will be a repeat of that choice from Freedom Wars were you have to pick which character you like best.

>>380577153
early gameplay looks mediocre, not very exciting. Combat looks very slow and character movement is floaty.

Kinda preferred if it was more anime-tier retarded hack n slash

>>380577272
The only complaint I have is the weapons seek to lack impact or weight, but it looks fun

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>>380589287
That webm is from the first trailer. Look at the one in the OP and you'll see the difference is pretty huge.

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>>380588794
What's wrong with dodging? Much better than blocking or tanking. What other alternative is there, Anon?

Was the game made on a budget of peanuts?

It looks so low budget :(

>>380589657
>What's wrong with dodging? Much better than blocking or tanking
You just described the problem, that there's no alternative to dodging. If a game has a tool that's the best solution to every problem that kinda takes away from the game. Make blocking and tanking viable also

>>380589657
I think he means that there should be more dodging options and/or you should need to actually dodge instead of using iframes

>>380577153
>Rip off MonHun
>Doesn't work
>Rip off Dark Souls
>...
The writing is on the wall

>>380579879
the problem is whether it will improve/evolve or won't

Looks just as floaty as God Eater.

Really wish they could put some weight in the animations at the very least.

>>380589657
Talking, I want to persuade monsters and start to write some amendments.

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>>380589841
In Souls games blocking is very good too, it's an option if you're not confident in your reactions to dodge certain attacks, and it's actually the best option against certain enemies. For example, in Dark Souls 3 the snakemen rogues which are a pain to deal with without a shield bounce off your shield and become open for a counterattack.

Dodging just takes more skill and is more fun so it makes sense that it receives most of the focus.

Tanking just has no place in this type of action game since it takes no skill at all and you win solely by bigger numbers/stats/etc. And even then, in Dark Souls 1 it was viable against certain bosses like Four Kings and Nito to just equip full Havels and a high DPS weapon and spam to win. I see this as a flaw however, and it's nice to see it removed or nerfed except against much weaker enemies.

>>380577153
Edgy animu Dark souls clone
KEK

>>380590376
>Dodging just takes more skill
Hah
>and is more fun
HAH
>it receives most of the focus
It doesn't receive any focus. They just made it retarded overpowered and left it at that. Especially in Dark Souls 3 where enemy design is dogshit and they all have attacks where they flair their arms around for 10 seconds straight and if you try to block you just get your stamina destroyed
>it's nice to see it removed
Yes please give us less ways to play the game

>>380577272
Gameplay looks solid, but the mixed artstyle looks like ass, damn.
You either do anime or do you realistic, dude.

>>380589870
Dodging without i frames would be interesting at first but once the novelty wears off I think it would be negative to the overall gameplay. You would have to tone down enemy attacks to make dodging feasible, and combat would devolve into just spacing, which is less fun than actively dancing around the enemy timing your i frames to the monster's attack. It got a bit ridiculous in Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne where rolling/quickstepping has a lot of iframes and costs almost no stamina, but this allowed them to go crazy with the enemy attacks. I thought the end result was pretty good.

>>380577153
Weapons lacking in impact was my only complaint up until now but it's looking pretty good now. Animations are also looking surprisingly good and predictable enough for rolls. I don't trust God Eater devs for shit but I'll be cautiously interested for now.

>>380590701
It's funny how you clearly have no idea of how to reply to his post. Such is the fate of dumb shitposters that have nothing to say, I guess.

>>380589385
Yeah that looks a lot better

>>380590778
>You would have to tone down enemy attacks
You say it like it's a bad thing
>combat would devolve into just spacing
You say it like spacing is a bad thing
>this allowed them to go crazy with the enemy attacks
You say it like it's a good thing

>>380590701
Maybe you're supposed to be smart when blocking instead of holding L1 and sitting there like a retard and negate all the enemy's attack only to R1 when it gets tired of swinging.

Maybe block the first attack which gives you the advantage of not having to actively react to it with a dodge, then move away and punish it when it stops attacking? The core combat in Souls games only got better with time, with Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne having the best.

I don't like to start spewing the git gud meme but it seems you just need to get better at blocking instead of whining.

>>380590960
>his
Sure bud

>>380577153
looks like even more slow down GE, and this low quality background is horrendous

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>>380591107
>resorting to dumb samefag paranoia to try to save face.
Really surprising.

>>380591026
It's a matter of opinion, but passively sliding in and out of range to bait an enemy to slowly swing his big stick around to punish it when the animation is over sounds less fun to me than taking the fight to them and having the option of rolling through the swings with i frames. The latter also gives you more options when facing multiple enemies.

I think you would enjoy Nioh by the way, it has i frames but the combat is more like baiting and spacing than rolling through attacks, though you can still do the latter when you get used to the i frames.

this game looks so fucking bad and probably cost next to nothing to make but I know /v/ is going to eat this shit up just like that god awful god eater game because anime. it'll get threads constantly for at least a month after its launch with nothing but people posting female character customizations and its inherently low budget guarantees they'll profit off the autistic weebs no matter what so it'll probably get a couple copy pasted sequels just like every other nipshit waifubait garbage out there.

While it's not the worst looking game I've seen using UE4, they can still make it look better.

>>380591087
Blocking in Souls isn't the best but instead of fixing it they just made it a joke. Best example is my experience in Souls 2 when I tried having heavy armor greatshield build and could get past a certain point, then I respecced into light no shield build and breezed through everything, and then never bothered with a shield again because they're a fucking joke.
>Maybe block the first attack which gives you the advantage of not having to actively react to it with a dodge
So it's still ultimately solved by dodging and instead of being a viable way of avoiding attack shield is just there to allow to dodge better, because dodging is the ultimate solution to every problem
>punish it when it stops attacking?
You don't "punish" anything, they just allow you to hit them before dumbshit flailing. It's almost like playing Simon Says
>The core combat in Souls games only got better with time, with Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne having the best
This is just wrong. Dark Souls 1 has the best combat out of the series, later devs just got caught up with "game is hard" meme and gave enemies straight up unfair "10 seconds of constant attack" patterns that you just have to wait out and not do anything. It's boring and stupid
>you just need to get better
The game isn't hard, you don't need to get better or good in general, you just have to play the only correct way instead of trying to come up with something you like

>>380577153
>>380577272
>Japanese Dark Souls
Retarded idea.

>>380590773
This. The anime faces are extremely jarring in combination with the otherwise realistic aesthetic

>>380577153

>semi-realistic cloth textures
>kawaii uguu anime shit face

It looks so bad holy shit. Why did they make the graphics look like this?

>>380591636
Don't you have a bunch of walking simulator cinematic experience™ ''games'' to be hyped for? Get lost.

>>380591448
>passively sliding in and out of range to bait an enemy to slowly swing his big stick around to punish it when the animation is over
You mean EXACTLY like it is in Souls 3 and BB?

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>>380591926
Because it looks great.

>>380579421
This

>>380591749
Dark Souls IS japanese.

Is it already time for animation physics, teach?

>>380577153
>>380577272
>roll
>roll
>slap
>roll
>retarded ai can't catch up
>roll
>roll

literally dork souls.

>>380577153
I feel like they can make a good game but they need to rethink how the combat works. Making it slow doesn't really make sense, they should do something faster.

>>380592081
you're japanese

>>380592316
Arigatougozaimas, nanashi-kun

>>380591735
>So it's still ultimately solved by dodging and instead of being a viable way of avoiding attack shield is just there to allow to dodge better, because dodging is the ultimate solution to every problem

This isn't a bad thing, if you want to tank go play a MMO. Blocking is there as an option, not as a "hold a button and become invincible" answer to everything. It's there to allow you to be safer, you get to see enemy attacks and their timing while safe, you get to prevent damage from hard-to-react attacks, etc. but in the end it would be incredibly unbalanced if you could just withstand everything. It's good design that ultimately you have to choose what to block and what to roll, and to roll away and manage your stamina better to deal with harder attacks.

You're just approaching shields wrong. The game isn't "hard", but it's skill based, and it would be against the game's design to make shields that strong. And even then, if you invest enough stats and have a very good greatshield, you can get close to that kind of gameplay.

>unfair "10 seconds of constant attack" patterns that you just have to wait out and not do anything

Just interrupt the damn enemy, backstab it, parry it, etc. You can usually attack in between, too. If you're using a heavier weapon, well, you're making a choice trading attack windows for more raw damage and staggering power, which actually helps a lot on the non-boss enemies. Fight Pontiff Sullyvahn with an ultra, it can be a pain, but then you fight a Ringed Knight and it's way easier with a heavier weapon than with a small one because you can stagger them with your attacks.

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>>380592092

Yes. Yes it is.

>>380591939
>Games with the best dodging mechanics
>Passively baiting enemies at max range for maximum boredom

I won't tell you you're playing the games wrong, but they certainly don't push you to play this way.

Dark Souls is actually easier when you just play naked, and only focus on the weapon.

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>>380592568
>thread starts with gameplay footage showing the exact opposite of this
>everyone just looks at the first post webm from the first trailer instead
I don't know what I expected.

>>380592951
Camon anon you know this place runs with baiting )You)s, if you actually show the real stuff you won't bait those (You)s so easily.

>>380592791
Most guides would even tell you to forget about upgrading your armor in DaS1.

Most games with dodging inevitably suffer from this. Once you realize how broken dodging is and learn how to abuse iframes, armor becomes irrelevant.

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>>380588037
It's not ushanka.

It looks so fucking shit. Jesus fuk

>>380592439
>if you want to tank go play a MMO
>if you want to have a playstyle that game seems to support but ultimately doesn't, play a different game
>Blocking is there as an option, not as a "hold a button and become invincible" answer to everything
But "mash button and become invincible" is better? Before you object yes, mashing dodge totally makes you invincible, I've done it a shitload of times and it worked 99% flawlessly. But it also costs less stamina than shields which makes it the best solution to everything
>It's good design that ultimately you have to choose what to block and what to roll
Yeah it is, too bad rolling is always the correct choice
>Just interrupt the damn enemy, backstab it, parry it, etc
None of those apply to vast majority of the bosses, who have fucktonn of poise, aren't backstabbable and not all of their attacks are weapon-based
>You can usually attack in between, too
That's just a good way to get hit, unless you have a very very long range weapon but that's not the point
>If you're using a heavier weapon, well, you're making a choice trading attack windows for more raw damage and staggering power, which actually helps a lot on the non-boss enemies
Except stagger is unreliable in Dark 3 and Bloodborne. Enemies are able to regain their poise whenever and just attack you with no warning, which fucks you especially with heavier weapons. Not to mention it's much easier to stagger with lighter faster weapons since number of attacks counts much more than their power, which further discourages heavy playstyles

>>380592709
Except when they start their rave attacks you can dodge around them all you want but you cant attack or else you get hit, so your best option is to just get out and wait for them to finish, which is the same as baiting them at max range

>>380593248
This is the way of action games though. They all pretty much boil down to knowing the enemy scripts and evading the attacks / minimizing the damage. There isn't much games anymore that focus on preparation and countering the enemy's phases with fitting stragety.

>>380588037
It's papaha.

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>Souls gameplay
>Anime graphics

Do they really think this will sell? The reason people liked Dark Souls was because it had cool looking knights and monsters and shit. This one looks like the latest 2-bit manga adaptation by A1 pictures.

>>380592316
いいえ,私は日本人じゃないです.

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They added weight to attacks, granted it was a fairly simple thing but they did it. I'm good now, its too much of a clone for sure but I don't really care, Souls isn't the lord and saviour of gaming either in my book, don't care if they get copied.

That cape is some serious shit though, look at it glitching like its nobody's business.

>ITT people hating game because it has "anime" in it

>>380577915
They only published it anon. And only in the west IIRC.

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STOP BULLYING THE DEVS PLS. THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING THEIR HARDEST TO ANSWER ALL THE COMPLAINTS

>>380593460
>But "mash button and become invincible" is better? Before you object yes, mashing dodge totally makes you invincible, I've done it a shitload of times and it worked 99% flawlessly. But it also costs less stamina than shields which makes it the best solution to everything

"Time your rolls to the enemy's attack" is better, yes. There are plenty of enemies with roll catching attacks that get you if you just mindlessly spam roll. In fact, more enemies should have them, but then people complain about delayed attacks and enemies not being extremely predictable.

>Except stagger is unreliable in Dark 3 and Bloodborne. Enemies are able to regain their poise whenever and just attack you with no warning, which fucks you especially with heavier weapons. Not to mention it's much easier to stagger with lighter faster weapons since number of attacks counts much more than their power, which further discourages heavy playstyles

Small weapons are better against bosses, yes, I admitted that, while heavy weapons are better against "elite" normal enemies. Also, staggering is reliable in BB and DaS3. Just fight any Lothric Knight, or like 99% of BB's normal enemies. There are enemies that are stronger against being stunlocked than others, but that's beside the point..This is getting quite off topic from dodging vs blocking vs tanking, though.

>>380593769

>That cape is some serious shit though, look at it glitching like its nobody's business.

It's pretty apparent that they modeled the walking animations first when they animated the cape because it looks fine while doing so. It's only when the player is running that it flips out like crazy.

>>380593603
Attacks that are truly this are very rare, and used extremely sparingly. The meme that every enemy spams these attacks is perpetuated by people who are new to the game and didn't figure out all the attack openings yet.

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>>380594085
Some complaints make sense like the fluttery clothing that seems to spaz out constantly, but they do seem to have improved the biggest issues by alot. I hope we get some character names and stuff soon, but I doubt we'll be getting anything big until TGS.

>>380593460
Actually heavy weapons are great against these attacks not because of the stagger but because of the ultra-armor. When I got sick of those awful super long attacks in the Ringed City DLC I just got a UGS to +10, and attacked them when they were about to launch the combo. If I was too slow it allowed me to poise through the first attack and then they would be stunned long enough for me to land a second one.

These attacks are still fucking annoying, if you use a lighter weapon you pretty much have to make 4 perfect rolls. And yeah I pretty much stopped using shields as well, I only wear them out of habit, for pvp or just in case there is an attack Im not confident I'll be able roll.

>>380594383
The meme is there because those attacks are difficult to forget. But I disagree with you when you say that they are rare. As far as I remember, Abyss Watchers have it, Yhorm have it (not that it's much of a problem in this case), Dancer of the Boreal Valley have it, Sister Friede have it, Gael have it. And that's just bosses and the ones that I can remember on the spot.
Ringed Knights and Irrythil Knights/Swordsmen were also not rare and had that godawful attack. And Im not even counting the "charging attacks where the ennemy keep attacking until he's at the other side of the map" ones, because they are much easier to deal with.

You know that this game is be a small blip on people's radar when it doesnt even have a wikipedia page or even a TV tropes page.

>>380594987
The reveal was pretty small initially and they're apparently not even halfway done with development. Probably waiting until they get the quirks worked out before they show it off properly.
It won't break any records or anything, but with what it's got, I doubt it'll be a failure.

>>380577153
Oh great, another dodge roll simulator.
We really needed more of that diverse gameplay those title provide.

Can't wait for the boss tier lists of which is the more fun to dodge roll through.

>>380594230
>"Time your rolls to the enemy's attack" is better, yes
Would that be the case. But you can just mash roll back and be fine
>There are plenty of enemies with roll catching attacks that get you if you just mindlessly spam roll
I can't remember a single one. Maybe I just avoided those by rolling some more cause you can roll for fucking ages
>In fact, more enemies should have them, but then people complain about delayed attacks and enemies not being extremely predictable
What would be better is have some attacks be impossible to roll through but easy to block, and some attacks working like kicks in that they deal miserable damage but destroy your stamina if you block them. As long as they some kind of unifying theme that people can recoginize which is which really quick even if they never seen them before it would promote all methods of defense, not just "solve everything with rolling"
Also enemies aren't really predictable in Souls 3 and BB, what with instantly regenerating poise and miniscule start up frames
>while heavy weapons are better against "elite" normal enemies
Except they're not. Fast weapons deal more damage and stagger any enemy easier than any heavy weapon. Even regular Longsword in Dark 3 hits like a truck despite not being so called heavy weapon, and really fast too. Similar examples are Mace in Dark 2 and Saw Cleaver in BB, they are all weapons that leave heavier weapons in the dust because of being so much faster without any power drawbacks
>staggering is reliable in BB and DaS3. Just fight any Lothric Knight, or like 99% of BB's normal enemies
I'm not saying they can't be stunned, I'm saying they can recover from their stun at any moment and hit you back which goes against stunlocking being "reliable"
>>380594383
>Attacks that are truly this are very rare, and used extremely sparingly
Like every second enemy has those in BB and Dark 3. Even bosses. Even fucking huge dragon Midir has an attack where it flails it's arms around

>>380595345
What's your perfect alternative to dodge rolling?

>anime characters using the power of monsters against them in a post-apocalyptic setting
This shit is way too similar to God Eater

>>380595779
Missing retarded timing parries and getting OHKO'd.

>>380595779
Having to move out of attack range/angles manually, patterns, jump, crouch, a void projectiles with a mix of those. It doesn't even need to be precise timing anymore, just add some fucking diversity.

You know, just the reasons why 2d game provide infinitely better boss fights while 3d is still limited at dodge roll timing, parrying or whatever.

>>380595779
Shitposting and meme, best thing ever made, every game should have it.

>>380577153

The game sucks ass. Only weeb numales will buy this tripe.

>>380577153

>no music during normal exploration
>decaying destroyed world
>emphasis on 1v1 combat

holy shit they aren't even trying to be subtle

>>380596720

Holy fuck. I just realized the monster grunts are literally ripped off from those meat bucket guys at the undead settlement.

When will the Souls style die already? For fuck sake 5 games in 9 years with same style and disgusting fanbase, i'm so done with this type of game for at least 5 years, believe it or not Souls and it's clones are becoming the new CoD.

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>>380597683
The style is extremely good and has produced some of the actual best games ever, and there's still room for improvement, so I'm glad it's not going away anytime soon.

>>380597683

Don't worry. No one is going to discuss this game on /v/ when it comes out anyway. It's one of those games that not only is it dead on arrival but it triggers a lot of people.

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>>380597683
there is something more sad than soul haters? Instead of playinnnng the games they like they go into threads about the thing they hate the most and complain about five(5) games.

>>380597683
>believe it or not Souls and it's clones are becoming the new CoD
It's nowhere near as popular among casuals and never will be.

>>380590061
The first webm is an earlier build if that's what you were talking about

This is to Dark Souls what God Eater was to Monster Hunter

>>380598246

Yes. Weebshitters like you. Fucking soul cancer and your cancer fanbase.

>>380598294
It doesn't look as clunky as God Eater did though.

It definitely looks better than in the first trailer. I'm cautiously excited for it. But if they decide to go the Dark Souls route of having no music during exploration bits, the sound design has to be on fucking POINT and that little snippet makes it seem actively bad.

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>Souls gameplay
I kinda got sick of that shit after DAS.

Wish From Software would do something new and let other devs make souls clones like code vein instead

So I guess there will be some trick to dodge because right now it looks very broken.

>>380598680

Well there's a reason Miyazaki has no comments when games like Surge or Code Vein are being made. He's just happy "his" subgenre is now being spread to other studios instead of only From.

>>380577153
>6th game
>under a different name
>still no story
>same mechanics, nothing new
>updated graphics
>it keeps selling

Namcodrones are truly the game industry's greatest ally

>>380598680
Bloodborne was a nice use of the format.

>>380577153
Seems a bit too slow for how anime-y it is

>>380577153
Gameplay looks fine but the aesthetic makes it unplayable.
The player characters look like Artificial Academy characters.
The armour is so ridiculous that it belongs in a parody game.
The environments are the most generic post-apocalyptic style possible.
The monster designs are okay but from what I've seen they're all humanoid.

Looks fucking gay

>>380577974
Jesus just showed this to a guy I know is genuinely racist even he doesnt care enough to post on an image board about it so are all comments like this just false flagging teens?

>>380577153
I wanna be excited but Ive been burned by LotF and NIOH already. Noone else but FROM gets this shit right

>oh noes Fromwoftware contract ended!
>quick lets make a cheap ripoff using the complete opposite of what made Dark Souls great!

Fucking idiots

>>380600185
well I like the aesthetic

>>380600784

No you dont.

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>>380577153

What is this sjw shit?

>>380600841
/v/

>>380600743
Combat looks great, you can't really judge any other aspects beyond that from the footage so stop eating shit.

>>380600841
I don't like how enemies don't berserk and how there's no character customization. I like the aesthetic though.

>>380600929
???

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>>380577153
I hope there's more to the combat than what they let on in that video. That looks uninspired and basic as fuck.

Also I'm sick of devs trying to ape the souls games when they seem to lack an understanding of what made those games work well to begin with. So far the only game to succeed out of the dozens that have attempted it was Nioh.

>>380578034
what the fuck is this retard even saying

>>380601073
>there's no character customization
I think they said you do create your character though. The one shown on the previous and current trailer is a template.

>>380601227
If I can't be a girl it's shit. A few exceptions here and there, but this is a fact.

>>380601114

It has stronk wimminz that sjws are pushing lately.

>>380577153
I saw the gameplay video and I was not entirely convinced. I liked the art direction from pictures, but I don't know, in motion it just seems a bit bland and "static". Also weapons seems to feel strange with little to no impact feeling.
I still hope it will be a good game, though

>>380601287
If there is character customization you really think they'll pass up on it? Its weeb enough where it'll be a selling point.

>>380601287

You can be a girl anon.

>>380601327
It look exactly like the usual weeb women.
What are you on?

>>380601483

Women are not supposed to be fighting in combat. They belong in a kitchen.

>>380601470
>>380601468
oh shit yes please.

You know why lotf and surge are bad? because you can't be a girl.

>SOULSLIKE
>SOULCLONE
>SOUL COPY PASTE
Yes veddit, dark souls invented melee and dodging

>>380588358
>God Eater
>Flop
It's not as successful as MonHun but it's far from being a flop in nipland, specially since they got the Vita Audience after MonHun left for Nintendo.

And anyone who has played it knows that they're a lot different from Monhun, the only common factor being the huge ass monsters.

Cant wait to see this flop. I bet itll sell like 30k units in Japan lol.

Fucking bamco has no originality

>>380577153
When are they announcing the Switch version? Playing this on go would be amazing.

>>380601780
>And anyone who has played it knows that they're a lot different from Monhun
You see, thats the problem, this game will probably have something interesting in the combat because they havent still show the blood sucking mechanic or whatever was called not the game is close to be finished.
Also another problem is that fans needs to have only 1 game with the genre on it, for some reason other games can't use the basic formula.

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>>380601549
We have different taste in women it seems.

>>380601673
Come on man, everything from the deliberate pace of the combat to the animations to the sounds to the mechanics screamed Souls. Games like The Surge at least felt different, this looks like a DaS mod.

>>380601921
It won't flop, it has anime aesthetics and cute girls and comes from a relatively successful dev (God Eater was actually well received in Japan, specially the Vita port and sequel, being a more otaku oriented alternative to monhun in monhun-less Vita, an otaku console).

The big question here is why they're not releasing it on Vita, since that's where their target market is.

>>380579564
Free market nigga

>>380601160
They only really showed basic attack and roll. We already know there's more to it than that

>>380588358
>bamco tried to make monster hunter clones
>flopped

I'm pretty sure that the God Eater series sold quite well.

>>380602101

Shes not real, numale.

>>380602821
Real women aren't in the kitchen either cucklord. Now go prep your bull.

>>380602950
Yes they are. What else are they good for?

Animeshit is reverse sjw propaganda making women think theyre of any use other than as cocksleeves

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>>380603148
>caring about what 3dpd thinks

>>380603283

Your 2d shit isnt real as well. Just smoke and mirrors given voice by 3dpd moon people.

>>380603389
Yes and?

>>380603457

Stop listening to sjw propaganda.

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>>380577153
Looks promising

>>380603509
This is going in circles. Step up your shitposting man, can't feel it anymore.

>>380603579

No its not

>>380595779
For animations alone, I would say sidestep, backstep, sudden duck. While BB still have dodge roll, the steps are more prevalent.

>>380603647
If they're going for a carbon copy of DS and they make backstep as useless as it was there it'll be pointless. Lets hope not.

>>380577864
Character creation is literally a minimum requirement for me to play a game

I'm dead serious

>>380601780
GE may have nifty mechanics, but it feels floaty. Soul Sacrifice Delta is much better and actually its own game, but well.. not financially successful.

I'm unironically more hyped than before. Can't wait to pirate this.

Russian hat girl is too tall to be a loli you guys lied to me, although I'm still attracted to her flat chest.

>>380577153
Can this be expected to be available on PC?

God, Sony exclusivities are killing me

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>>380577153
Weapon animations are floaty, they tried to add a bit of oomph with hitstops but it kinda made it worse. Sounds design is also pretty meh, the hit confirm sounds suck and monster groans are stupid.
I'm not really feeling it, lads. Might pirate or borrow but definitely not a day 1 buy.

>>380604238
Nevermind

Seems like a great game I'll have the opportunity to play for once

>>380604238
It's out on everything not made by Nintendo

>>380604238
Wasn't it announced for PC, PS4, and X1?

>>380604238

Its multiplat. It was eveb shown at the xbox show

>>380604359

Just pirate it.

Cant wait for the devs to be out of business

>>380604546
B-but multiplayer

>>380604667

Who gives a fuck. I just to see talentless hacks out of a job