When did Pokémon stopped being fun, /v/?

it didn't. sun/moon was a blast

alternatively, maybe when you sat in a few miserable threads about it on /v/ and tricked yourself into being miserable

run out of nuzlock shit?

>>380502947
When you found out about IVs and the only thing you can do about it is hack your team or spends hours of your life breeding your team. Natures also bring things down as there is nothing worse then catching something only to find out it has a nature that hurts it.

Gen 5.

>>380502947
Generation 1, but it got better in Gen 2 and only got better from there.

When we played games that were actually interesting instead of babies first rock*paper-scissor rpg with no story.

>>380503256
Sun & Moon was a trash game made for babbie's first pokeymans. This and X&Y was an insult to the veterans of the game.

Gen4 perfected the formula with the physical/special split. Everything after that has been the same shit with a few gimmick mechanics which is why the only thing left in the series is waifu faggotry.

When Gamefreak stopped trying to make the game worth playing in post game outside of catch'em all.

When they stopped giving any attention to the single player content starting in Gen 6. If you're interested in multiplayer battles and comp, the games are still plenty fun, but if you enjoyed pokemon games for the minigames, side areas, explorations, NPC battle challenges and difficulty (inb4 >difficulty, gen 6 and 7 are enough of a joke to actually make old pokemon games seem hard) then gamefreak doesn't care about you anymore.

Gen 6 was the point where GameFreak realized they can put in as little effort as possible and still print as much money as they would if they DID put in effort.

When I turned 13

>>380504060
>This and X&Y was an insult to the veterans of the game.

Not as much as ORAS. ORAS made me want to fucking kill myself.

>>380502947
you grow up. sun/moon was shit though.

>>380503580
nuzlock

not him but i can never reach that point of autism.

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>>380502947
When you started to crave instant satisfaction, and all the games you played started being fast paced
Trying to go back to play Pokemon nowadays is hard just because of how slow it is

>>380503580
Not OP, but I tried nuzlock on the Gen I games, it's not really that fun. I'd rather play an RPG that was meant to be hard.

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>>380504760
then why didn't you?

>>380502947
it's never not fun OP. download a GB/GBA emulator and play the classic Gen1 and Gen2 titles. It will never, ever, get old.

>>380502947
When you reach puberty.

>>380505103
Admit that it's surprising how much faster you can get through the old titles as an adult as opposed to when you were a kid.

After Red/Blue when the next gen came out.

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>>380505103
>>380504928

>>380503791

My third playthrough of Gen III. I'm thinking of buying the '''''new''''' 2DS in a few weeks, so maybe I'll give this new gen a shot

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Pokemon stopped being fun to me when I caught all 151 on both blue and yellow on my OG brick gameboy (later upgraded to a GBC)

I was craving more content so I attempted to play Pokemon gold on an untranslated Japanese ROM. Got to about the Unown cave, realized that there was some sort of translation puzzle on the wall (?) and that I'd never be able to solve it in moon rune.

Also around the same time Pokemon Snap was a letdown and Pokemon stadium was a gimmick that didn't actually give new content.

I realized that it was just going to be the same shit over and over and over until the end of time so I grew out of it

>the children who post here these days who were born in the year 00's won't know these feels

>>380505751
Absolutely, but waiting through slow as fuck animations, having to wait five years for the battle to start when you move two steps forward in grass etc
It just feels obnoxious

playing sacred gold atm. its 10 times better than the real gold/silver remake.

>>380506589
I'm sorry you hated two of the best games on the N64. Snap was a fucking blast. And Stadium was a good diversion until GSC, also gave you a challenge if you had no one good to play with.
I'm happy you're a fortune teller and could tell, right from the first gen, every game from that point on would be the same shit over and over.

6th gen

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Sun & Moon were so insultingly easy even for Pokemon standards. I didn't finish it even though I was looking forward to it all of 2016.

Is the end game really amazing or something? People seem to praise S/M a lot but I don't see it.

>>380506769
True that. I end up spending 75% of my funds on repel.

>>380503791
I respectfully disagree. bw was decent and bw2 was actually pretty good.
The series started to lose its magic at XY.

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With Gen II

>>380503580
>purposely limiting gameplay options to make the game hard
I'd rather the game just be made more difficult on purpose, not by self-imposed challenges

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>>380502947
Black and white killed it for me. Poor pokemon designs and one of the worst linear maps ever.
And then it just got worse and worse. 3d models on 240p screens, mega evolutions, super beasts, fairy types, z-moves, even more bad pokemon designs, and team skull that aren't even proper villains.

>>380504060
Someone who has been playing the games for 20 years isn't the target audience

Actually, if you're still playing any video games after the age of 21 you should kill yourself

>>380502947
When you grow up to be the bitter adult that you where destined to be

>>380507671
That's a lot of suicide anon.

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>>380507671
then why are you on this board, about videogames?

>>380507472
>complaining about Fairy types
would you rather Dragon types just be the definitive best typing in the entire game?
All the other stuff you said I disagree with too, but complaining about Fairy type is just silly

>>380504060
they were atleast still better than gen 5

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>>380507671
>Actually, if you're still playing any video games after the age of 21 you should kill yourself
>average person who plays video games regularly is in their thirties
hmm

>>380508002
Not to mention that before Fairy type Sableye had literally no weakness.

>>380507954
Who is this semen demon?

>>380508002

so replacing one broken type with another is a good thing? At least dragon being the best type made sense from a lore-perspective

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>>380508263
You mean that pokemon with garbage stats? Ya. IT would be IMPOSSIBLE to kill him.

>>380508813
are you clinically retarded?

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>>380502947
Pokemon stops being fun when you grown up.

>>380508263
Sableye was shit before Prankster.
if you said Spiritomb you would have had a better argument.

>>380508002
t. someone who knows jackshit about why Dragon was the "best" type.

Protip: Dragons are still as good as ever because surprise surprise, they still have massive movepools and fuckhigh stats. Dark and Fighting types got fucked over by fairies 100 times more than Dragon.

And completely surprising no one Fairy turned out to be an extremely good typing that you can slap on anything and only come out winning.

>>380502947
3D was a mistake.

>>380502947
Gen 2, everything after that did fuck all to even attempt to change the formula. People still buying this trash need to be gassed.

sun and moon was fun

When you turned 10

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>>380509289
I really forgot this thing existed, along with most of the Sinnoh Pokemon.

>>380508896
it has a mega evolution you fucking retard

>>380509070
Every time.

>>380509651
This as well. Without Fairy Mega Sableye would rival Mega Kangaskhan in terms of sheer brokenness, and even then it's still one of the best Mega Evolutions.

>>380508036
>Implying any of those games are better than BW2.

The only thing I really like better about the Gen 7 games are the superior online connectivity. I don't even like the Gen 7 sprites that much since the 3ds low resolution causes them to look hideous and their high polygon count causes terrible frame rate problems.

I can't wait till Citra gets good enough.

>>380502947
Gen 6

>>380502947

For me it was sometime between gen 4-6
I think I can make a timeline

>put 200+ hours into gen 4, despite not liking Sinnoh much,
>transfered all my Gen 3 content to Gen 4 more or less, was a massive carry over because I dumped so many hours in to R/S/E/Fr/Lg/Col
>Gen 3 or 2 probably still favorite
>enjoyed HG/SS despite not playing them much
>just burnt out with gen 4
>skipped Gen 5 on launch because burnt out
>hear B/W are good
>finally try it by the time B2/W2 are out
>think the single player part of White version is ok but spent zero time in post game
>didn't even try and switch pokemon between gen 4 and 5
>miss gen 6 when it launched on 3ds
>suddenly everyone wont shut up about pokemon again
>try Y out because chick I was dating at the time as well as friends were playing it
>beat main story just barely and felt extremely disappointed that they didn't do more stuff like in White
>feel like I wasted my money
>didn't even touch Gen 7

I think i'm just sick of the formula and lack of ability to keep transferring my mons over each gen. I think theoretically you can go from gen 3 to gen 7 but I just don't care at this point. I just want more cool spin offs like Pokken

>>380503580
>haha WOW you mean you don't play Super Mario Bros 3 blindfolded and one handed?

Just make the game hard. Fuck.

>>380502947
ORAS.
XY at least had the gimmick of being the first 3D mainline Pokemon, which made it bearable.

>>380509651
You do realize I was talking about all the flaws of the game and on top of fairy type mega evolutions were one of them. If they were both removed it sableye would be garbage. Your literally countering your own point you made 1 post ago about why you need fairy types. "I need something that ruined the game to counter something else that ruined the game".
Retard.

>>380507954
>>380508168
woah there I didn't say I wasn't in the same boat

I wish I could kill myself but it would hurt my parents too much

>>380511252
Being honest, XY and ORAS' models for human characters on the overworld are hard to look at after playing SM. Trying to emulate the chibi look of the sprites in 3D was a mistake.

>>380502947
December 2004/January 2005. Whenever it was that I discovered competitive.

>>380511252

>ORAS was not as good as R/S/E

This just made me sad. FR/LG and GS/SS has my expectations so high. It just felt so lack luster

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after gen 1

>>380502947
When completing the pokedex turned into the odyssey with 600+ pokemon.

>>380506589
>stadium was a gimmick
It was a competitive tournament focused game that got expanded on US release

>>380503631
>hours
Anon, youre doing it wrong. If you haven't gotten yourself a 5iv ditto and a box of abras for each nature by now then spend a couple hours doing that and then youll never spend so much time breeding

>>380510572
>lack of ability to keep transferring my mons over each gen.

Gen 6 fixed that problem with the release of Pokémon bank. With pkmn bank you can store any Pokemon from gen6+ on the cloud and easily access it in any future games.

You don't have to do complicated Pokemon transfers anymore.

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>>380502947
I remember I already had less fun in Silver than I had in Pokemon Blue on the original gameboy.

Pokemon Sapphire was the last one I finished. And the entire shit got bland at around half the game.

I still bought pokemon Diamond but didn't even manage to force myself to play til the 2nd gym.

I skipped all other games until Pokemon Moon and it feels like the game has been going backwards with unskippable cutscenes and a lot of bullshit talking.

I'm never going to play a pokemon game again until they radically change the gameplay.

>>380512547
>unskippable cutscenes and a lot of bullshit talking.

Even though the 5th Gen games were sorry focused, the cutscenes weren't no where near as bad. Try playing Pokemon BW2.

>>380508002
You could nerf Dragons without adding a new type. Make Draco Meteor/Outrage weaker, make weaker types like ice or bug resist it, or limit their movepools so not all of them have tools to get past steel types.
Instead they added a new type with two Pokemon having a move as spammable and strong as Outrage with Pixilate Hyper Voice (Nerfed since then but still hurts like a bitch) and fucked over bug, fighting and dark types way harder than dragons.

I've never played Pokémon as I didn't have a gameboy as a kid. What's the difference between Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold/Silver?
Are they fun?

Gen 1, seriously. The gameplay has always been shit, it's just when it was still gen 1 we were shocked to be playing a real RPG on the Gameboy instead of tetris or breakout or other handheld sized games

>>380502947
Once the games became formulaic.
>Brand new region, brand new pokemon
>Team X is trying to summon Legendary of the Gen to destroy/"save" the world/pokemon.
>Now that you stopped Team X, go fight the Elite Four!!!
>Next to no compelling post-E4 content outside of catching new legendaries and a Battle Frontier-esque area.

Sun/Moon at least made the gyms more interesting, and the Elite Four/Champion fight was an interesting take on an area that's developing its own Pokemon League, but there needs to be more to these games. Something that either expands indepth into the existing universe rather than constantly add more shit to it (Because EXTRADIMENSIONAL POKEMON IS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT)

>>380513171
BW2 is what started the long ass unskippable cutscenes/tutorials meme.
BW is infinitely superior.

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>>380503631
>>380504395
>>380504450
>>380504526
>>380509147
>>380511252

OP these are reasons why. These anons covered pretty much very reason why I gave up on the franchise. I've also been playing since Gen 1 and the more games I played, the more disillusioned I got. After Sun/Moon I even stopped browsing /vp/. In hindsight that was the best decision I ever made. Not that /v/ is any better but that board was too unbearable. Plus, there's a least a little more variety in terms of topics here. Anyways, back on topic..

If you're an old who has played many Pokemon games you may reach a state in which every aspect of the franchise no longer thrills you.
>Sense of childhood adventure is no longer intense
>Pokemon designs no longer look inspired; they start looking cartoony and bland
>Fanbase is unbearable. Especially /vp/ which is composed of insufferable waifufaggotry and gen wars
>Getting into competitive battling will leave you feeling depressed after spending hours riding a bicycle in order to get Pokemon with high stats to play a play a game that was never meant to be played competitively
>Finishing the 3DS games always leaves you feeling underwhelmed
>Excessive gen 1 pandering and casualisation
>Ultimately no more satisfaction from a childhood franchise

When Pokemon finally dies, Nintendo will be in danger of bankruptcy.

>>380513370
Red and Blue were the first games
Yellow tried to be more like the anime and had Pikachu as a starter and James and Jesse as antagonists. The graphics were better too. The first remake.
Gold and Silver were the first new gen and region in Johto. Kanto was postgame.
They were pretty good.

>>380513370
Red/Blue/Yellow make up "Generation 1". There are 151 Pokemon, and Yellow is an updated version of Red and Blue.
Gold/Silver/Crystal make up "Generation 2". There are 100 new Pokemon and takes place 3 years after the first games.

Whether they are fun or not depends on how much patience you have and how much you like RPGs take involve building your team. Generation 2 is better than 1 in just about every way, since one was very unbalanced and poorly coded. Without nostalgia for either though, they're both worthwhile plays.

>>380513925
This is exactly what happened to me with ORAS. And Sun/Moon didn't even keep me interested after the second island.

Well, let's put it this way.

What Pokemon do you like? Do you like any outside of Gen 1 and/or 2? Do you find yourself disliking the Pokemon from each subsequent generation more and more and keep coming up with justifications for why you find them inferior?
Do you care about IVs and EVs? Do you find yourself trying to find Pokemon with ideal natures even in the story mode?
Do you find new gimmicks like Mega Evolutions and Z-Moves offensive and possibly even disgusted because [insert arbitrary reason here]?
Do you find yourself wishing that the gameplay was completely different?
Do you hate trading and events?

That's probably why.

>>380502947
When gamefreak gave up

>>380513370
Red/Blue is a completely different game from Gen 3 and beyond, but that's due to all the changes in calculations and damage types (Gen 1 and 2 split Attack and Special by Types, but Gen 3+ all types have both Attack and Special Attack moves)

Yellow is the anime kinda, but converted into Red/Blue with updated sprites.

Gold/Silver is the actual sequel to Red/Blue/Yellow, with 100 more pokemon, a new area (which post-game is connected to the original area), new moves, the introduction of Breeding and Item Holding, as well as berries(which can be consumed by pokemon holding them).

>>380507671
>Actually, if you're still playing any video games after the age of 21 you should kill yourself

Way to show your age, anon. You sure you're old enough to be here?

I haven't seen my little brother in forever, and now that he's crashing at my place while going to college around here we've been playing a lot of pokemon.
We started a Black and White 2 nuzlocke and it's been blast, even though I was fucked by some crits really early.

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>>380502947
After Gold/Silver when they could no longer hide behind the excuse of the Gameboy's limiting hardware keeping the gameplay simplistic. Any other turn based rpg could run laps around Pokemon's "rpg" mechanics and the only reasons why anybody could still enjoy playing Pokemon was because you were either a literal dumb little kid that didn't know any better or a stunted man child touched by a special kind of autism.

The moment PokeSav or RNG abuse became a big thing. It devalued the work of multigenerational breeding for IVs/Abilities/etc.

>>380503791
some magic was lost in gen 5.. but the spark died in gen 6 for real.

>>380502947
>When did Pokémon stopped being fun, /v/?

When you turned to a jaded, depressed adult.

That could be any time, depending on your personality/life situation. For most people it's around ~21 years old.

>>380513370
Pokemon is as close as video games get to being drugs. Hour for hour, I've played more Pokemon than WoW.

>>380513925
I would still love a new 2D Pokemon game. I lost interest because the 3D games are SLOW. Like unbearably so. I don't know if it's the framerate or maybe the 2D ones just seemed faster. But even then there was Pokemon Stadium and it had an emulator where you could increase the speed on R/B/Y. It was awesome. I could deal with a lot of the stupid shit Game Freak has done if they'd make things faster.

>>380513925
Yep. I had fun in ORAS (very little, but it was there). SuMo was the nail in the coffin for me.

"Yeah! lets make new legendaries that arent legendaries and we're just gonna retcon and say they're from another dimension!"

>>380514849
>limiting hardware keeping the gameplay simplistic. Any other turn based rpg could run laps around Pokemon's "rpg" mechanics
Pokemon isn't my favorite kind of rpg, but there's nothing wrong with the gameplay being fairly simple.

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>>380502947
After Heartgold/SoulSilver.

Haven't bought a Pokemon game since, they were hands down the last good entries imo.

And I almost dropped the franchise before that entirely after getting burned with Diamond. That was fucking garbage.

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>tfw didn't buy Sun and Moon and then they announced the Ultra versions
Thanks for beta testing goys.

I still like it. I don't focus entirely on the story (though I do enjoy most of them) but I don't go full OU smogon mode either. Battling for fun with favorites in unranked matches against friends is the way to go.

I also vent my autism into daydreaming about the Pokemon world, in non-sexual fantasies that no one will ever hear me talk about. Seriously, there's a fuckton of stuff for your imagination to work with; it's no wonder there's so many spinoffs and so much fanfiction.

Masuda literally told someone on vp that the reason there's no challenge in these games is because they want the little kid playing easy and quick ketchapp quality mobile games

If you don't what ketchapp is, look their games up

One of the dumbest decisions they've done is making the Festival Plaza replace the bottom screen hub in XY. Who thought that shit was a good idea

>>380507029
It's certainly harder than XYORAS (m-evos and story based gift Pokemon), but it's about normal for Pokemon standards as of the DS gens. The final island jacks the levels up quite a bit (odd, considering how low leveled the rest of the game is) but if you grind or go off the beaten path at all (e.g. fighting/catching a lot of wild Pokemon), then you'll probably find it easy enough.
>>380515585
They're aliens. What do you expect?

>>380513925
I mean the rest are right, but the Pokemon designs are still creative and good.
Gen 6 was the low for designs, although there was some good ones.

>>380512390
completing the dex is relatively easy, just takes some time, the only problem is trying to get event only pokemn that are no longer available

Gen 6 was a fucking chore and I've played the previous games to death.
I wish I could just replay sun but they still refuse to implement multiple save files or let me transfer items on pokebank, and citra is still trash, so I'll have to just buy ultra SuMo and dedicate the cart to replays

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>>380515329

mfw:
>Finally gave up on the Pokemon Franchise
>No longer have to deal with disappointment from Game Freak's incompetence and laziness
>No longer have to spend months running my bicycle around like an autistic faggot trying to breed 'competitive Pokemon'
>No longer have to endure broken, unbalanced mess that is the fan-made meta
>No longer have to put up with Game Freak's stupidity because of their inability to understand their own fucking game
>No longer have to spend money buying these games on release day
>No longer have to deal with constant waifu and furfaggotry on /vp/
>Have plenty of free time to play other games and pursue other interests because I'm no longer addicted to breeding in Pokemon Y
>Can't believe I missed out on so many other vastly superior vidya franchises because of dedicating so much time on Pokemon games
>After years of being chained to a shitty franchise I'm finally free
>Laugh at others who are still stuck in Game Freak's bondage and are actually excited about Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon
>Can sell 3DS and the games for some cash

I love this thread. Thanks, OP.

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What do you guys think of the newest Pokegirl, Ultra Chicken?

>>380517024
They'll never have multiple saves. Defeats the whole 2 versions shtick that makes them extra money.

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pokemon never stops being fun

>>380517101
People play these games past the singleplayer campaign? Why?
Even back in older gens there were tons of other games to play instead of continuing on the same fucking one for so long. The games are fine, but goddamn, it's like Pokemon is the only game some people play.

>>380502947
After Gen 1

The game, the anime, and the TCG were at its peak. After seeing Unowns in Gold and Silver I knew it was time to get off the ride.

>>380517101
I'm gonna need sauce for that.

It hasn't gotten worse, just repetitious. Gamefreak add gimmicks to the game, but it's really still the same thing it was 20 years ago. There have been barely any attempts to branch out from the same formula, and for good reason, since people love it (just look at BW as an example as to what happens when they change too much).

>>380502947
When you hit puberty

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>>380508036
Gen 5 was the best entry in the series, you cretin. Fuck outta here.

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how does this image make you feel, /v/?

once you realize how shit the story is and growing up it loses its charm

t.played blue in 3rd grade.stopped being fun after gold/silver

>>380520572
Like they should have let in a few Pokemon other than the ones in the Alola dex.
Kartana isn't even that great if you have access to the whole pokedex of 800+, it's just perfect specifically for battles with the parameters in the competition format out now.

>>380520572
As much as I love the series competitive Pokemon is a fucking joke. It always ends up with every team being practically identical with maybe 1-2 variations in Pokemon.

>>380507029
I think if you finish it and restart you get a hard mode

>>380516414
exactly. I can accept some pokemon being from space and having a strange lore around them, but to base all your legends and the main plot point on "they're from space" is fucking stupid because pokemon never took a hard stance to if pokemon actually came from space, they just greatly implied it through mons like clefairy and deoxys. Plus they rub me the wrong way. They dont look like they belong in pokemon in any sense.

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>>380520572
LOL

>>380520572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-H8UBoYOao

>>380522084
this is outdated, Mega-Metagross got banned from Sun/Moon OU.
Try to put a little more effort into your shitposts

>>380502947
I used to really love pokemon but everything went to shit when I discovered Competitive.
I can't handle it when a pokemon I caught has a bad nature. For example, I would release a modest machop.
Then there was the realization that all of the bros I used on my team was bad because of IVs.
During XY, I wasted a lot of time during the story playing that soccer game to EV train.
There was breeding too.
God it was awful.

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When GameFreak decided to stop putting effort into it. Now it's just gimmicks and pandering to what they think older fans want and trying to engross the younger demographic. They're also not willing to flesh anything out, which is why there's so much misc. stuff in Gen 6 that's going to be a mystery forever, or the the Battle Tower that will never be completed. One of the selling points of USUM is there is content in it that wasn't finished in SUMO; not even new interesting stuff like most 3rd entry tie-ins do, just stuff they didn't finish before release and didn't feel like selling as DLC when they could just sell the same game again.

If GF would just be willing to put any effort in, then maybe some magic would come back to the series.

That being said, I still love the franchise as a whole. I've been with it since '99 and it's something that's always been in my life, helping me make friends, getting me through hard times, and just helping me grow as a person. I'm so attached to the series at this point, that even if it never gets good again. Plus, I can still replay the old games, I can re-watch Mewtwo Strikes back and the anime, I still can revisit parts of Pokemon's past and I still can look back and appreciate the joy it's brought me.

I have faith that, unless something happens to Game Freak as a whole, that within the next few releases, they'll make something worth playing again.

>>380520572
It's always been like this. Even in gen 1, before Smogon-type rules, every team was pretty much a variation of Mewtwo, Joleteon, Gengar, Snorlax, Starmie, 'Starter'. The only time I can remember any major variation was when BW came out, and the current Tournament rules were only the Unova Dex was allowed.

>>380522307
>as of march 22

>>380502947
With the introduction of EVs/IVs

>>380522837
Gen 1

>>380522073
They aren't from space like Deoxys (which was from space, a meteor actually). They're from another dimension and they're supposed to be based on the idea of destructive and invasive species. They're supposed to look like they don't belong in Pokemon, since that's the whole point of their designs being so strange and dissimilar to normal Pokemon.

The main plot is based around lillie.

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>>380520572
People like to act like having the same Pokemon means they're going to do the same thing every time or that it stunts some weird ideal of "creativity" but in reality the same team of Pokemon can be played entirely differently. Arcanine alone can run any of at least five different sets depending on what the player wants to prepare for. It's the same with Smogon sets; just because they're the same on the surface doesn't mean they'll have the same movesets, stats, general game plan, etc.

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For me? X/Y easily and ORAS only cemented the idea that these games are no longer for me. They were the first time I didn't even bother to rechallenge the E4. S/M were alright I guess.

shouldve stopped after ruby/sapphire

>>380502947
To me they stopped being fun with XY

>>380520572
>Snorlax in first place

I know nothing about competetive Pokemon but they're doing something right

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>>380517729
Thanks to you nu Pokemon is shit because Nintendo constantly panders to gen 1 faggits like you. The series actually got better gameplay and story wise until Gen 6. Gen 6 is the worst gen ever and it shilled the fuck outta gen 1 megas. Gen 5 was the last time gamefreak some wat tried.

>>380502947

Unlike ash..poor ash
You grew up.. it then becomes very repetitive and boring and the mechanics are too simple. Its nostalgia now. You'll remmeber the days when it was fun and thtas the fun now. to think back on the good'ol days

>>380502947
Gen 6

>>380502947
XY and ORAS

>>380526439
The mechanics actually got deeper until gen 4.

>>380502947
I still love Pokemon but I can see why people have quit franchise.

Game freak has had 0 competition in RPG monster creature collection.

They can put whatever effort they want and fans will eat that shit up.

But a console Pokemon I been waiting on for 20 years is coming soon so can't wait

>>380526749
gen 4 was a loooong time ago

>>380502947
Black and White with it's shitty UI and Pokemons

I didn't complete Pokemon White.

It was so goddamn formulaic and uneventful. I collected all eight gym badges and was ready to face the elite four when I just up and quit because it is the most straightforward Pokemon game with zero twists and turns. Fucking Pokemon Red and Blue had more depth than this piece of shit.

>>380502947
When you grew up

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>>380526580
>>380526705
this

>>380502947
When legendaries became a part of the story instead of being hidden in bumfuck nowhere cave.

>>380527062
What exactly is "ORAS"?

>>380502947
Don't worry, the fan made engine (that doesn't use shitty rpg maker) is soon complete. Once it is we can finally make a good Pokemon game.

>>380504060
X & Y had its flaws, so does sun and moon but calling them trash is going too far. Sun/moon are good games

>>380527234
Omega ruby and alpha sapphire.

Ruby and sapphire remakes

>>380527692
I see, thank you Anon.

>>380526439
>>380526970

I really wish I could buy the IP and make ash grow up, a legit pokemon mmo, a pokemon breeding game that ties into the mmo and a leit awesome pokedex for your phone that ties into the rest as well. Serisouly fuck them. WHat theyre doing to ash is just cruel beyond belief.

they wipe his mind and then they start over...
and no mmo..

>>380527308
What are you talking about in specific?

>>380502947
For me it was when i found out about ivs and evs.

>>380528041
nintendo will bring down their copyright hammer whenever they can

>>380527062
>that last bullet
I'm not one of those fags that were harping on about it, but I was shocked it wasn't in the game
When they showed mega metagross and salamance, I thought flygon would have definitely gotten in
They seemed to pick fan favorites for the mega-evolutions and then went for shit like mega glalie instead

>>380528263
oops wrong post sorry anon

Gen 3.
It was the pointGF understood they could make Pokemon fans happy repeating the same formula with 0 innovation.

>>380524557
Shh, don't you dare be reasonable. We are complaining about muh variety here and I do it twice as hard when I know absolutely nothing about competitive.

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>>380502947
After platinum

>>380502947
Gen 6
I enjoyed gen 5, but I didn't buy xy.
I bought oras out of nostalgia for hoen since gen 3 was my first.
Played xy when I hacked my 3ds, but I thought it was meh.
I skipped gen 7 entirely

>>380528041
Engine written in c# doesn't require sprites, but will magically work with them, so Nintendo can't touch it because it's just an engine.

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X/Y with the amount of nostalgia pandering, gross renders, and absolutely hideous region design and level curve. Good fucking god.

>>380502947
After I played BW1 then I gave up in the middle of BW2.

>>380502947
Unlike most of /v/ I've never played pokemon as a child and when I tried it last year I dropped it under 3 hours,shit is so slow and easy that I can't see how anyone but kids could play it.
It was played pokemon black btw

>>380502947
Gen V.

>>380529203
But what's the engine you fuckmunch, give me a link or something so that I can check it out.

>>380502947
When I wanted more immersive experiences in my games.
Pokemon as a concept is cool as shit, but the game play is boring and repetitive. I think we just grew old.

>>380529543
Escapism, mostly.
The world of pokemon is more appealing than reality in practically every way.

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>>380529421
>Giving up on BW2

But why? BW was a legit disaster but the sequel fixed pretty much everything

>>380529807
>b/w
>disaster
Explain yourself.

When I couldn't emulate the latest 3DS romhacks from Drayano because the 3DS emulator wasn't available and I haven't had the time to check if one is working now and how to set it up

>>380502947
Pearl and Platinum were fucking garbage, the game picked up slightly with B&W2 but then started going straight back down hill with X&Y and S&M

For me they haven't been nearly as worthwhile since it became impossible to catch every pokemon in every game
Even my favourites, R&S&E disappoint me because it gives you the National Dex and no way to fill it without trading hundreds of pokemon

It's amazing how much potential Pokemon and how it will be wasted forever because it is at hands of Gamefreak.

Think of a setting and drop Pokemon in it. It will work 99% of the time. From the darkest edgiest to the fluffiest SoL, you can drop Pokemon in and it will work out somehow. Think of ANY game genre and I guarantee you you can imagine a Pokemon game out of it.

And yet all we get are Gamefreak's horribly coded barebones excuses of RPG. It's saddening. Tragic even.

>>380529559
No newfag I don't fucking spoonfeed

>>380530004
The mantra of "Gotta catch em' all" went away ages ago, anon. You don't need to catch them all, anon.

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>>380529807
It is probably my problem, the game just felt like a chore, not a fun adventure with pokefriends in an utopian world.
If a game feels like working, it is best to drop it and play something else.

Gen 5, when everything got power creeped

Gen 6 tried to fix it with the Megas but made it even worse

I felt like the sun/moon demo has more stuff to do even though it really didn't
A bunch of stuff in one place is more fun than the same stuff spread around lots of areas

at 3 months old it becomes boring and samey. Then you develop into a furry autist if you don't let go and no one likes you and you should gtfo

The thievary this company has committed with this rehashed trash is criminal

>>380530067
Really makes you think why there haven't been more pokemon clones.

At the core, Pokemon is a game where every enemy can become an ally and these captured enemies can be made stronger and evolved into greater forms

>>380530140
Then why am I even playing them?
For the new mechanics? For the game that hasn't changed in 20 years? For the paragon of 'fun' that is the competitive scene?

If I can't catch 'em all what is the actual point of buying the next one when I can just play FireRed again

>>380529982
>Linear as fuck world
>Terrible rivals that bother you after every single gym
>Piss easy even for a pokemon game
>New 150 pokemon, but they all look very close to the original 151. Might be just my autism but you know it to be true
>That massive level gap in the post game

I'll give the game credit for trying something new. A new world with new pokemon and team plasma, despite being predictable as fuck, actually carry their plans to very end of the game.

>>380530198
Well I can see that happening. Happened to me when playing S/M. Can't even bring myself to replay it again after so long

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>Play a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game for the first time after dismissing them for years.
>Completely blown away in terms of gameplay, storytelling, characters and even graphics

Pokemon is not the problem. The real problem is Gamefreak.

>>380530420
>Really makes you think why there haven't been more pokemon clones.
There are, thousands with many of them 100 times better than Pokemon gameplay-wise. But wanna know something? None of them will ever succeed because Pokemon became too big. It's too huge to compete. Pokemon sells on brand, not on quality.

>>380530563
>Linear as fuck world
>Terrible rivals that bother you after every single gym
>Piss easy even for a pokemon game
>New 150 pokemon, but they all look very close to the original 151. Might be just my autism but you know it to be true
>That massive level gap in the post game

It's amazing how all your complaints except for the one about new Pokemon apply to all the new games after BW2 too. And well, the post-game one doesn't apply too because those games don't even have post-game.

When you realize its the same thing over and over again.

Get a Pokemon. Do a gym. Meet the evil team. Do a few more gyms. Fight the evil team. Two more gyms. Beat the team, catch the legendary. Last gym. Elite Four. The end.

Thank fuck for Sun and Moon.

>>380530420
People can shit on game freak all they want but

They created memorable designs. Pokemon go people had never Pokemon before love seeing pikachu etc

>>380530757
>Thank fuck for Sun and Moon.
Is this bait?

>>380527460
>Sun/moon are good games
Sun/Moon are terribly paced, rushed games that force cutscene after cutscene followed by characters that automatically healed your Pokemon before battle and kept giving you healing items when you weren't battling.

They're playable but not good by any means.
>inb4 haha game is targeted at children that's why it's so easy
That didn't stop every other generation from having difficulty and not forcing the game to be baby mode.

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>>380530603
Pmd is great, which one did you play sky?

>>380530919
Super Mystery Dungeon. I'll have to say though that the school parts were utterly abhorrent. What were they thinking?

>>380530857

If you want.

Felt like a breath of fresh air.

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>>380530727
Well... Fuck you are right. What is even going on with these last couple of games

I want there to be a pokemon game with attack of the friday monsters' aesthetic.

>>380531048
>Felt like a breath of fresh air.
Except SM is literally all the shit you just mentioned is bad about Pokemon.

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>>380530603
>people consider Gates the worst in the series in terms of gameplay, and they're right
>it's still really fun and has a nice story with a perfect epilogue

>>380531045
Pokemon Ranger did a really good school setting so maybe they were trying to copy?

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logged 400+ hours into X/Y and ORAS. Got S/M on launch day and have about 20 hours. Why do I fucking hate sun and moon so much /v/?

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>>380502947
Gen 4

>>380531228
I've still to finish SM.

>>380530757
>Get a Pokemon, Do a trial, meet the evil team, do a few more trials, fight the evil team, no more trials because SM is rushed, catch the legendary and beat the team, again, no more trials, Elite Four. The end.
Wow, I can do it too

>>380531228
How far did you into the games?

>>380502947
When you found out it was a mediocre game that you only enjoyed because of faux nostalgia that you've been told you enjoyed

Play Mystery Dungeon

>>380502947

when your friends stopped playing it

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>>380531045
You should play sky, story is absolute kino the best in any pokemon game.
Gameplay is slightly worse than super, but that is because super improved the gameplay since it is a sequel.
The characters are all great and memorable and it is a must play if you enjoyed any pmd.
Also play sky it is the emerald/platinum of explorers of the sky and darkness.

>>380507472
>even more bad pokemon designs

I thought gen 6 and 7 introduced some of the better designs in the series tbqhfam

>>380502947
All the Pokemon games are varying degrees of passable.
I play them all but I don't see why some are so divisive among the fanbase.

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>Ywn make your own Pokémon game because you're just a drawfag who can't into color/shading and don't know how to code for shit
>meanwhile GF gets away with barebones regions and fuckawful designs like barbacle and goodra

>>380531431
I've beaten all of them and only just got past Mallow in S/M. I just don't have fun with the game.

>>380531862
>Ywn make your own Pokémon game because you're just a drawfag who can't into color/shading and don't know how to code for shit
Gee, if only there was something called LEARNING and STUDYING.

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>>380527460
> Sun/moon are good games

Are your standards that low? They were obviously rushed games and it's the reason why they're now releasing Ultra versions of the game not even a year later. The story was a mess and the pacing of the game was horrible. It really was for the babbies that just picked up Pokemon (hence the heavy focus on Kanto mons, the ones that they might have missed due to them still being in their mom's womb) instead of the core fans. ORAS and that were honestly the only Pokemon games where I forced myself to beat it. That;s how bad it was.

>>380502947
Enjoyed XY despite everything.
Enjoyed ORAS significantly less than any other but I still finished it.
Still haven't even finished SM. Despite it having three of my all time favorite designs in the franchise.

I think it's a mix of changing the formula too much in a way that only makes it easier for babbies rather than offering anything interesting or even a challenge. And getting bored with the XY models after 3 games of reuse. At least a new unmoving sprite would offere new bits of personality every gen. A ton of the 3DS models are just lifeless and boring to look at, most notably with 90% of all flying mons, and that's not even getting into framerate issues.

>>380502947
In 1999

>>380531974
I'm still working on improving my art, but at this point in my life I think it's too late to start coding as well

>>380531940
I had same problem but forced myself to finish it. After you get into 3rd and 4th island. You guzma and lusmuine. It's much better

First 2 islands is so slow

>>380532148
How old are you? It's never too late to start learning or developing a skill. Stop making up excuses.

>>380502947
Pokemon died after gen 2

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>>380532285
Pretty young actually, college age

For whatever reason I sometimes feel a lot older (not more mature) than I actually am

>>380532591
>Pretty young actually, college age
And you are saying you are too old to learn a new skill? C'mon son. I'm 24 and just now is that I got my ass to code, drawing and Japanese. It's never too late.

>For whatever reason I sometimes feel a lot older (not more mature) than I actually am
It happens. You know what sucks? When you are out and people call you "Sir". Specially when it's fucking kids, all I can think about is "I-I'm not a sir yet!".

Like Disney said, adults are just kids grown-up. Just live anon.

>>380502947
Gen 6, too many story based giftmons and I dislike non-bug mega evos, plus best type was snubbed and I just didn't give a shit about anything happening. Lysandre was a hypocrite and the friends were retards. Bland.

Gen 7 redeemed it a little for me, I love the new bugs and the linearity wasn't that much of an issue for me. Decent enough game, not amazing but enjoyable enough. BW2 still best, but I at least felt like I had a reason to continue the game in SM, at least to see what would happen to Lusamine.

when the 3d models look washed out and devoid of all personality

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>>380532997
I want to be 15-20 again but with all I know right now

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Around Gen 4, with how fucking slow it was. I absolutely hated how those games handled HP bars, and how something like a Blissey took a minute for its health bar to go down. I had to really push myself to finish Diamond, it was just so fucking boring. I can't even bother to go back to D/P because of it. I played White just to try it out, and while I did beat the final N, it was another game I had to power through because the NPCs thought it'd be fun to bother me every 10 minutes when I tried going anywhere.

I got X and Sun, but I pretty much stopped playing Sun as soon as I beat the Elite Four, realized there was no way to properly level a Pokemon to 100 thanks to the nerfed EXP mechanics, realized all I had was the Ultra Beasts, breeding, and the Battle Tree to look forward to, and gave up. Haven't touched it since.

I only stayed with X for so long because people on /vp/ gave out some breeding rejects so I would breed them with a shiny Jap ditto myself so that I could try and get my own cool mons. Then I realized there was no point to continuing.

>>380513925
This Anon and the links also sum up my thoughts.

>>380532197
i will beat the game eventually. i hope it gets better.

I just wanted to fucking play pokemon by my self and autistically hoard one copy of all the pokemon. They kept adding more and more of those "event" pokemon and even though the location was on my map, it was just tormenting me. I think this was diamon/pearl with the ghost nightmare guy with a scarf when I first gave a shit about this, and every time it happened I just lost more and more interest.

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>>380532997
Thanks bud

I kind of wanted some reveal in sun/moon MC was an android or something

I also liked that theory before the game came out that Lilli was dead and/or one of the jellyfish because of the aether foundations experements

When I got older and realized that Pokemon is one of the most stale franchises with braindead gameplay.

Is there a single good design post gen 4?

>mons designs keep getting worse
>qts designs keep getting better
Im confused

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>>380534497
Even hardcore genwunners seem to like Volcarona.

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>>380534497
Plenty.

>>380502947
I had a lot of fun playing Moon. Then I fucked it up and started hunting for shiny Pokemon like an autismo.

>>380534497
I like Primarina a lot.
Victini and Minccino.

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Who likes Pokemon just for the porn?

When HGSS barely fixed the mistakes from the original GSC, and with BW and onward where gamefreak cared more about linear regions and cutscenes instead of decently paced gameplay and post-game content.

Also the shit that was Mega evolutions and Fairy types.

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>>380534497

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REMINDER: We're at a point where it takes an average of 30 minutes for players to get their first Pokemon, 15 minutes at best.

This is unacceptable and anyone who defends Gamefreak needs their head checked.

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>>380536162
>Filename
It hurts

Earth Power fucking never. Not even fucking Dazzling Gleam. Worst of all the damn cotton becomes Fairy while Lilligant gets fuck-all.

It's not fucking fair.

>>380536387
I tried emulating it on citra at negative five billion FPS. It took me near an hour to choose my Pokemon, at that point I just shut down the game and played on Showdown, I'm glad I don't need to buy this trash to enjoy competitive.

>>380503580
I've tried once but it wasn't really fun nor difficult, randomizer is chaotic good tho.

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>>380502947
Genwunner here, the Gold and Silver remakes of Gen IV were the swan song for me. I just started getting bored with everything after. Admittedly I stopped caring about the designs of the actual Pokemon compared to the girls and NPC trainers because my balls dropped right as Gen III hit. Ironic considering Gamefreak's been at the absolute height of their ability to make Semen Demons.

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What was the last Pokemon game you bought before stopping because you saw the series was going downhill?

Pic related for me. I could not fathom how people saw the footage of B2W2 and thought it was worth the time or money.

>>380535931
Prior to Gardevoir

I never had a single erotic thought over a pokemon. I was always jerking it to the human girls of the series.

>>380537071
HGSS because it was boring and didn't improve the old games.

>>380537071
B2W2 Is probably the last good game Game freak has made though

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>>380537071
XY
I was dumb enough to think the drawn out cutscenes wouldn't be a problem, especially after how shitty B2W2 was. Thankfully I didn't pay full price and got it with a discount.

>>380537071
/v/p treates black and white and bw2 like holy trail of Pokemon

>>380537071
The last one I got was pearl. I hear platinum was a vast improvement but I never felt like taking that risk.

>>380513925
no one who plays competitively plays the biking sim. they either gen or use showdown.

>>380502947
post gen 2

After the first 150.

>>380537269
>and didn't improve the old games.
But it did.

>>380537071
Crystal was the last game I truly bought. Emulated or pirated everything until XY which I won on a tourney and then pirated ORAS and SM again.

>>380502947

>When did Pokémon stopped being fun for me

fixed

Pokemon is still a massively popular franchise just fyi

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>>380537071
>I could not fathom how people saw the footage of B2W2 and thought it was worth the time or money.
I played them on an emulator and they were horrendous. But for some fucking reason pokefags treat B2W2 as a some sort of grand treasure.

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when they decided to make the games so easy they are boring.

also when they butchered designs as if deviantart is creating new pokemon

>>380502947
It didn't for me. Helps that I'm not an autisticuck

>>380537071
Diamond made me stop playing the games until some time after ORAS when I randomly decided to play W2. Instantly restored my faith in the franchise only to discover the mediocrity of XY and ORAS and then be treated to the complete garbage that was SM.

>>380537071
Diamond, I have White, but I've never even played it.
The movies for Shinnoh were great, the Pokemon for the region were great, and the fact that in HGSS Johto is connected put the icing on the cake.
The jingle at the beginning is the Azure Flute.

Sun moon

Since forever.

I'm 31 years old and I always thought pokemon was stupid as hell.

>2012
>really happy with BW2, emulated the jp and eng ROMs multiple times
>got a 3ds for XY
>had some fun but it was empty later
>brought ORAS
>full regret, but I played just to not feel that I wasted money
>brought SM expecting to deliver on postgame with battle tree
>it didn't
>ended up burning myself out of any pokémon game

It was all my fault for buying after XY but it really sucks that I cant enjoy it anymore. Nostalgia doesnt help either.

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>>380537071
>I could not fathom how people saw the footage of B2W2 and thought it was worth the time or money.
Honestly, that's how I feel about every game that turns out to be bad, especially major titles like Pokemon. People had enough evidence to see that stuff like XY, ORAS, and SM were going to be terrible and suffer the same problems, but they still bought them anyway and were somehow surprised to be disappointed.

Around ORAS

I realized the gameplay hasn't changed since fucking 2006

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>>380502947
When they took away Gengar by taking away Levitate. When you raise a pokemon up through generations because of a power that makes them OU then they lose it, no. I wont replace. You can suck my dick, Gamefreak/Pokemon co./Nintendo.

Fuck them. He didnt fucking deserve it.

USM will be good for sure. At least one of the 3DS games has to be good.

>>380538765
>People had enough evidence to see that stuff like XY, ORAS, and SM were going to be terrible and suffer the same problems, but they still bought them anyway and were somehow surprised to be disappointed


>mfw there were people who knew that switching to 3D models was going to cause framerate issues and terrible stiff animations
>mfw drones called these people contrarian and believed GF wouldn't let them down

Someone post the gif of the new pokemon games having Blastoise use Hydro Pump

>>380539063
>caring about tiers
>caring about Gaygar when Haunter is superior

Get cucked faggot.

>>380539276

Karenfags can fuck off. No one likes the opinion of a shitter.

>>380539132
>USM will be good for sure
Based on what?
>At least one of the 3DS games has to be good.
Why? In the past 4 years, GF has proven they can make money while putting in barely any effort. Why think they'll start caring now?

>>380539063
>Mega Gengar continues to be one of the most broken things in the history of the game.
>Implying levitate is what made him OU in the first place

>>380539063
>favorite pokemon has been consistently strong across every gen up through and including gen 7
>even with no levitate still in OU
Why don't you fuck off you ungrateful little asshole?

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>>380502947
I played Blue and Yellow on Gameboy Color
I payed Stadium 1 and PokeSnap on N64

For some fucking reason, I skipped Gen 2 but I read the strategy guide for Crystal so I uh dunno what to make of that.

I then came back to Emerald in 2005 and it was pretty good BUT the Battle Frontier is what did it for me. It turned me off for some reason. Never played pokemon again.

Flash forward to 2010, I decide to run gameboy emulator on my crappy laptop and played Crystal on it around the same time Chuggaconroy was doing his crystal let's play. I found out that you can speed through the game by holding down the space bar and that made things so much convenient. I think I beat the whole game around Summer of 2010 or around 2011, I'm not sure.

That's when I stopped pokemon for good. In a way, I'm kinda glad I saved Crystal for last. It's the best one, always has been.


P.S. Also Kris is my waifu, fapped hard to her as a child.

>>380536878
Here's the challenge run I did for first and second gen - NSNSENRINRNEPOFRFP.

No STAB
No super effective
No recovery items
No running
No evolving
Pokeballs only
Faint = release
First pokemon per zone only (can capture only the very first pokemon you get for each zone)

And just as a general thing, I grinded minimally. It was both fun and challenging.

>>380539063
>Receives buffs in every generation but this one where it gets nerfed
>His retard fanbase complains

>>380539063
Gengar is still OU by the latest usage stats and A- rank in terms of viability

>>380539214
If people think the games are shit before the release then why buy it.

They released infomation every month and telling every feature

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>>380502947
>When did Pokémon stopped being fun, /v/?
When every generation had people's favorite pokemon get gimped.
When every generation started making all the cool-looking pokemon that people wanted to use virtually useless even in the base game.
When they kept making things easier for an already-casual franchise.
When shitty 1-dimensional characters and cinematics had more focus than the battle systems or region content.

>>380528613
Yellow
Crystal
Emerald
Platinum
... No Gray version? : (

Okay, done with pokemon. Time to look for a job!

The games themselves are clearly made for children. The gameplay is mediocre rock paper scissors (gym full of grass types, use a single fire type and spam flamethrower to win.)
Let's face it, the only reason why people like Pokemon is because they like looking at all the cool new creatures and picking which are their favorites.
I guess there's some depth if you're a competitivefag, but why the hell would you enjoy spending hours grinding to get the perfect IV/EV Pokemon?

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>>380534497
Gen 5 and 7 have some godly bug types

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>>380539965
>then came back to Emerald in 2005 and it was pretty good BUT the Battle Frontier is what did it for me
Emerald is generally seen as one of the best games held back by the Battle Frontier's convoluted battle system due to inconvenient party choices and cheating AI. I didn't play much of Platinum's Battle Frontier, so I don't know if these issues were fixed. I personally think that it's a cool concept that should've been improved instead of completely scrapped.

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>>380527959
>a legit pokemon mmo

> Each country server is in its respective country
> Each server runs a different region map and pokemon sets to capture
> If a player wants to collect all of the pokemon, they have to go to another region and fight those gym leaders and battle that countrys trainers (NPCs or humans)
> Legendaries operate under a capture-tag system where if you don't use the legendary in battles it leaves you to respawn randomly anywhere on its home region, or if you lose the battle you lose the legendary

but then of course
> grinding every single pokemon to maximum level
> static world where nothing changes
> Russia server; russian players
> fucking worthless tack-on systems to hide the fact you're just playing an online chat room with a fancy wrapper on it
> adult men playing as the little girl, the little girls using only princess kinds of pokemon, adult women using muscular-manly pokemon or preying on the little boys, the little boys trying to sing "become the very best" every day in global chat, and pokeMMOn chat moderators putting a gun in their mouth and pulling the fucking trigger

>>380503631
>When you found out about IVs
that exact moment

>>380539063
>still used a lot in OU
>still a dominant ghost in the meta
Retard. Levitate bumped him out of OU for 5 seconds and he muscled his way back in with little trouble. Gengar is too good to be taken down by just losing his ability, it has a perfect stat distro and a great typing, plus the movepool to use it. Levitate was just icing on the cake.

>>380502947
When you realized it was a system seller and you'd need to try to convince people not to buy it

>>380540956
>that pic
The weeb would've made a point if he posted actual monstergirls instead of anime chicks with a few animal parts attached to their bodies.

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>>380527959
>a pokemon breeding game
I also want this.

>>380504060
>S/M
>for babbies
>when it was the most challenging in the series unless you were literally autistic and lacked the self control to turn off exp share and over level
S/M are the best games in the series, if you personally do not like it, that's A-ok. Just know you're a minority and live with that. Nothing is wrong with it.

>>380502947
after gen 2 everything was kiddieshit

your starters were a fire dinosaur, a boss turtle and the most badass grass starter ever

in gs it was a hedgehog with fire for spikes, a fucking alligator and chicorita was the deathflag of old pokemon

PROVE ME WRONG

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I love Pokemon. Listen to this every day I go to work.

>>380537071
Oras I didn't buy xy though.

>>380502947
never,

>>380541403
He didn't want to kill her with a heart attack like this fucker would've >>380541669

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>>380502947
When you grew up anon, what the fuck did you think it was?

>>380541860
>most challenging in the series
>90% of trainers have 1-2 pokemon
>no gyms or gym battles
>the "trials" are actually easier than puzzles in previous gyms
>battles with trial captains are almost all optional and easy to miss
>meaning there's a good chance you'll be grossly overleveled when you run across them
>even if you're not overleveled they're still a joke and most use NFEs
>dungeons are all completely linear with no puzzles, no exploration
>just walk a straight line until you're out
>entire game is run to the flag on the map, get cutscene, repeat

>>380541865
You can get a ninja frog, a wrestling fire lion, a walking terrarium, an emperor penguin, sun wukong, a kickboxing fire chicken, a tree dragon, a buff swamp lizard.

Stop shitposting

>>380504450
Honestly not all the older games were cakewalks

Unless you had guides on hand and shit Platinum was no pushover going in blind, like fuck Cyrus has a Gyarados with Earthquake and Ice Fang that raped me senseless the first time I fought him

I also liked BW2 for the Challenge Mode which made the game a lot more enjoyable for me (why they never had the Challenge Mode option again is beyond me, kill two birds with one stone)

>>380502947
It never stopped anon. You just got sick of it.

>>380537643
I've heard that the people who win VGC test teams in Showdown and then have other people who actually like the biking sim do that part

>>380502947
I played all the Pokemon games and the only one I didnt finish was Pokemon SM which I dropped like 6 hours in and never touched again, so I guess in SM.