Everything about this game is very admirable but it isn't fun.

>>380485798
>walking 5 steps into a fight with six demons

Yeah it gets old pretty fast

>>380485798
I think it's fun.Not as fine as some other entries in the series, but it's still fun.

>>380486184
I didn't have a problem with the encounter rate, honestly. SMT1's encounter rate is insane though, it's a good thin Estoma is extremely effective to remedy it.

>>380486470
>negotiations are literally entirely randomized
>long stretches between save points
>very few healers between dungeons
>little to no sense of direction
>bullshit bosses like Mot

I respect that you can have fun but I have no idea how you manage to

>punchan demons not fun

reatard

>>380486818
The fun for me is mostly in the combat. I have fond memories of playing it the first time and getting decimated by the same boss over and over again until I eventually managed to put together a party that managed to finish the fight with nobody taking any damage. The negotiations dialogue is charming enough that I can overlook the annoying parts of how it actually operates. I don't think Mot is bullshit either, though something I do hate, and it has been fixed somewhat in Apocalypse, is bosses like Beelzebub who will respond to you countering them by just spamming Megidolaon. It's extremely lazy design in my opinion.

>>380486818
Firstly Nocturne is very absuable that's why it's fun

Secondly you're supposed to keep a healslut demon in your inventory to heal outside battle.

Thirdly Mot is easy as fuck and is weak to lightning if i recall

>>380485798

You might be a bit too late to the party. Getting into it right now, might be a bit tricky if you're not already a fan

It's difficulty is just rng and damage sponges, what did you expect?

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How many if you actually did puzzleboy without looking the answer up?

>>380487508
>Secondly you're supposed to keep a healslut demon in your inventory to heal outside battle.
This if I didn't fuse a demon with mana lift and makatora I would have never lasted in the averahe dungeon

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Stop making Nocturne threads

I'll forever be reminded i wasted my time in the kapla to fight a final boss I'll never get to fight because of a bug

>>380487508
How the fuck do you keep SP up though? Some encounters can't just be finished up in 1-2 turns

>>380488173
I made it to stage 18 before I gave up

>>380488479
Eurobro?
Well you can just Emulate it after a year or two
You played other ps2 games in meantime?

>>380488519
WORLD
OF
STR

>>380488519
I'm a STR guy so never used SP much and was rich as fuck and brought tons of chakra drops

>>380488173
I would have been more willing to try if the music didnt stay the same the whole fucking time

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>>380488519
> Some encounters can't just be finished up in 1-2 turns

>>380488519
What I am doing is fuse a demon with high mp and mag with the skills makatora and manalift.
What manalift does is regen some mp everytime kagutuschi pase changes and with makatora you can give mp to other party members.
I was basically self sufficient and never needed to go to that healer ever again.

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>>380488769
>>380488902
I meant my casters' SP you dinguses

>>380488551
find a demon with mana drain or life drain (preferably latter, incubus has it) and fuse it so it has a healing spell

also there's a skill around lvl 50 called makatora that lets you gift MP to other characters and can be used outside battle. that plus lifedrain on one character and you can refill your entire party with a few turns.

>>380488705
I tried to emulate on my laptop and got 5fps

Playing DDS2 and this game dungeons are hundred times shittier than the first game

>>380488705
>Eurobro?
Wait I am Euro too and playing it right now, what glitch does he mean?

>>380485798

That Matador boss fight.

>>380485798
I mean it's not really, everything before ikebukuro is pretty shit, then the game gets to its lowest point in ikebukuro tunnel

Beast/Dragon eye is the laziest shit

>>380485798
#DemonLivesMatter

>>380489242
>lvl 50 called makatora
Koppa tengu has it and he is like mid 10's episode.

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>>380487401
>reatard

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>>380489245
Wait until you get to the final dungeon in that game.

I quit at the fucking multiple-hours-long sewer level.

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>>380489242
or just get DAISOUBRO

never run out of anything ever

>>380489606
it's really not that long. You jsut have to get the bill from loki and then fight matador (who isnt hard if you've played any smt game before)

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>>380489242
You can also get it on le succ skelly monk and enjoy infinite mp and hp for the whole party

>>380489507
Fuck me, how far is that from the airport dungeon?

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>>380488519

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>>380489608
>>380489745
KYAAAAAHH

>>380489931
Very close

>>380489745
>>380489608
Why is he considered to be that good?
I missed out on him the first time around and I only came back to fight him when I was lvl 50 right now.
Should I still fuse him eventhough I am 15ish levels above him right now?
I already have a sati with manalift and makatora.

>>380489507
that's nothing compared to the fucking yhvh dungeon in IV or anything in II

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>>380490238

>>380490237
his main skill lets him succ a huge amount of hp and mp from any enemy for basically free. I used him from the moment I got him to the end of the lucifer fight. I never even had to refuse him once, he was just so good

>>380485798
>but it isn't fun.
Oh okay, thanks for telling me.

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>>380485798
>phoneposter

>>380489732
I fought Matador, I appreciated the difficulty spike but all you had to do was use buffs/debuffs. It was more like a tutorial on that than anything else.

Problem is, leading up to that fight the game doesn't punish you in any way for just spamming the same attack moves over and over. It would have been better with a fight like Matador early on and then fights where you are expected to treat them with the same seriousness.

I think people like to use Matador as an example of how difficult Nocturne is, but I think he's really the opposite since he shows how easy the early game is.

>>380489268
Please help, if the euro version of nocturne really does have a gamebreaking glitch that doesn't let you finish the game I am just gonna drop it and play soulhackers instead.

I haven't played smt3 yet but is it as directionless as 4? It really feels like you're just aimlessly wandering around and helping people in it.

>>380490523
He's kind of the same deal with King Frost in IV:A. King Frost is just a tutorial on how easy it is to counter Smirk and why you should do so

Baten Kaitos >>> SMT

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>>380490520
>assuming you can tell a phoneposter based off a filename
>hating on phoneposters for literally no reason

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>>380490523
Matador is not the casual filter of the game if that's what you were expecting.

>>380485798

I liked it. Played it a year ago.

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>>380490858
whatever phone faggot

>>380490927
>cage match with Thor returns in Persona 5
>have Grimehkala equipped and Thor literally kills himself with a single attack

take that you fucking scrub

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>>380490927
Neither is Thor.

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>>380491178
>hating on phoneposters for literally no reason

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>>380490738
No

Play it until the end so you can suffer the same fate i did and then you will understand what true PAIN is

>>380491323
What other reason is required besides being a phoneposter

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>>380488173
I looked it up, and I'm not ashamed to say it. Puzzle Boy was just too much.

>>380491323
>No reason
Having a phone means they're normie scum, and not knowing that means you're newfag scum.

>>380491539
I just do not comprehend why you would hate someone for just posting from their phone

Have you never had to take a shit and made a post on 4chan from your phone while you were squeezing one out?

But I guess this kind of lunacy should be expected from /v/

>>380488173
16 was a far as I could get on my own brain and patience.

>>380491836
I want to crush her into red goop with my dick.

I really wish there was more freedom with the stats.
Having every playthrough be a STR playthrough is kind of lame

>>380486818
>>bullshit bosses like Mot
>People still push this meme

>>380490738
PS3 EU version has a bug right before the final boss of the True Demon Ending. It's still worth finishing the game because your only missing out on the very, very end, but it's still a bummer.

>>380490750
Not as much as IV, but it's still pretty directionless.

>>380485798
How long does it take exactly from death to respawn in this game again?

>>380491972
an annoyingly long time

>>380488173
I got up to stage 6 or so before looking up how many stages there were
After that I decided it wasn't worth solving by myself

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>>380491941
>Mot is a fair figh-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjVvnO5lgM

>>380490238
The Sun is absolutely worse than YHVH's Universe. Only the first brane of YHVH's Universe is even annoying, the rest of it is huge, but easy to navigate.

I'm playing Nocturne for the first time right now (psx2) after having only played the modern persona games.

I am playing it on hard as was recommended to me and I fucking love it. So far I've been going blind and the biggest difficulty spike so far has definitely been matador. Right now I'm getting my ass kicked by red rider thought.

I also understand now why people love pixie so much.

>>380492064
Yeah, I know, but I need a number to hold up and curse at.

>>380491465
But what would this gamebreaking glitch be?
I am not that europoor guy though, just a trustworthy burger that is curious.

>>380488519
Give Daisoujou Makatora
Laugh as the game enters easy mode

>>380492075
That video is of a low level run. Just buff your defense or lower Mot's attack while also using electric skills and the fight is no issue

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>>380492110
I just noticed that the image says 6th layer 2nd floor

>>380490750
Nocturne is very linear, you can't really get lost but some optional content require backtracking.

>>380491951
I have the ps2 version, I don't know why but some online gameshop still sells all the smt ps2 games for some reason.

>>380491731
Typing takes a long time on a phone so more often than not phoneposters make small low quality shitposts that highlight how gay they are

>>380492221
>go to disco boss
>kill him
>cutscene freezes

that's what happens

>>380491465
>tfw saw a ps2 copy at my local CeX 2 years back
>wondering if the £8 was going to be worth it
>look up the bugs
>crisis averted
>>380488173
What's the issue with this guy? All I've heard is some brainlet issue.

>>380490750
Nocturne establishes a main goal for the game very early on so it doesnt feel like you're doing a whole bunch of bullshit for no reason

The "hardest" JRPGs are all just a test of your willingness to waste your freetime. That's why NEETs and children are so good at them.

>>380492440
Then you'll probably be fine. The issue only arises because of the way PS3's emulate as far as I know..

Does anyone have the Jack Frost Gale picture I'm asking for a friend

>>380492606
>normalfags lack the will of children and those who lost all meaning in their lives

>>380492606
>Nocturne
>hard

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>>380492658
I'll give it it to you if you admit you want it for yourself and not your friend.

>>380492606
nocturne is one of the easier jrpgs

even the super boss can be beaten with very little grind

>>380492075
Mot is bullshit if you fight him at the lowest possible level on hard mode yes
In a standard playthrough you can easily nuke him down in one turn
Even on hard mode a single Fog Breath makes him a joke

>>380492828
Okay fine I'm sorry.

>>380492828

>Not withholding it until he kills his friend.

>>380492838
I beat Lucifer without grinding at all. I had Dante, Super Pixie, and a Daisoujou I fused at the beginning of the game

Granted, I beat him with all my demons killed, and only enough hp left for one last freikugel, but still

>>380492980
fog breath makes most bosses a joke

>>380492613
I hope so, it would be total bummer to get cucked out of the ending like >>380492539 described it.

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>>380493035
Here.

>>380493040
Not until they've outlived their usefulness, lad.

>>380492075
>I'm a retard who doesn't know how to use buffs

t. retard

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>>380492075
You see in practice though, you'd actually be absorbing those hits and he'd already be dead

>>380492440
You can easily find all the PS2 SMTs (even brand new) for cheap on Amazon, they aren't that rare

>>380488173
SMT will NEVER EVER be a difficult as fucking Puzzle Boy. Holy shit who designed that shit?

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>>380493301
Thanks bud

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Where the fuck is the save point in Ikebukuro? I just got there from sloughing through the sewers and just want to save my fucking game

>>380485798
I disagree. The encounter rate is high as fuck but buying a Piscasa in the first layer is super early on and negates most of this. I enjoy almost everything about Nocturne and the things i don't love i still kinda like.

>>380493535
Go in the mall.

>>380492613
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Bug-Report-Shin-Megami-Tensei-3-Lucifer-s-Call-PAL
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/582958-shin-megami-tensei-nocturne/43457010
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/582958-shin-megami-tensei-nocturne/68544608
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/582958-shin-megami-tensei-nocturne/75251514
Apparenlty zio/bufu freese only occurs with 50hz mode. Never in 60hz
Now is the £8 worth it

>>380493171
But him more than others because he has no chance to just kill you with a lucky crit

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>all this talk about dungeon design
>no Eradinus

>>380489608

I can't believe how good he was. Once I got him the difficulty of the game disappeared until the very end.

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>>380493613

>>380490420
Should I still fuse him, eventhough I am level 50 already when I get a second death stone I just met hikawa at ikebukuro and I am now doing the second kalpa.

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>>380493649

>>380493789
Phantasy Star 2 has worse.

>not having fun with Nocturne
>kind of want to get SMT IV before I leave the country for a month just to have something to do in my downtime

Is it similar?

>>380493649
>>380493789
Eridanus was not NEARLY as hard as sector H (or whatever the last one was)

holy shit fuck that place. it combined the worst, most annoying parts of every other dungeon into one last clusterfuck of garbage

>>380493649
Grus is the bad one, Eridanus was tolerable.

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>>380493426
>Absorbing Megidoloans
No, you just buff your evasion and dodge them

>>380486818
>Negotiations
Okay you got that but honestly its not too bad. SMT4A did it better though with the whole automatic joining shit after enough times talking to a demon that leaves
>Long stretches between save points
Not a bad thing it was well done and forced resource management which is why Nocturne feels like a dungeon crawler unlike P5/SMT4A that both feel easy as fuck to plow through dungeons after the first 1-2
>Few healers
Media becomes available quickly and chakra walk is on a level 30 or so demon that can be used as a set out of battle healer
>No sense of direction
There is if you pay attention. As for some of the later optional bosses its alittle fucked but still fun with how they hid them. Never would've found Black Frost/Mara without a guide though
>Bullshit bosses like Mot
"like" Mot is pretty much the only boss that breaks his AI everything else doesn't cheat like that. One shit boss you can beat easily doesn't ruin a game because he cheese a gameover or two which in my three playthroughs never occurred.

>>380493626
All of Ikebukuro is mall though...?

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>>380493864
gameplay is easier (I.E. casualized) story is more anime, art design is garbage, atmosphere sucks

>>380494029
the save point should be near the entrance, it's next to a cathedral of shadows and a healing fountain

>>380494029
It's the room with all the fountain, shop and cathedral, just like every other town you stupid jackass.

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>>380494114
>art design is garbage
Wrong.

>>380493864
Yes. A little bit more story focused, but there's a l8t of QoL improvements, though it also has some issues not present in Nocturne. Whether you'll enjoy it or not really depends in what it is you didn't like about Nocturne.

>>380493789
Strange Journey is literally baby's first dungeon crawler. The maps are all super small and not threatening at all. It's understandable that people you only really played it because it's a MegaTen game and don't usually do DRPGs, but the amount of infamy Sector E and H get are beyond silly

>>380494029
It's literally in front of the entrance on the right.

>>380494114
>Atmosphere sucks
Fuck off.

>>380493864
A lot more streamlining of features. It's more story oriented than Nocturne but that game is kind of an anomaly in that respect.
It's a good game but there are some questionable design choices with the game like STR being near worthless, map is pretty incomprehensible, smirk being OP and other minor things.

>>380494261
Minotaur is the most overrated design in IV, and while it's good it's still only one demon compared to every other one in the game.

>>380494029
It's in the first goddamn room

>>380494261
It's hit or miss. A shame they threw out all of the guest designs, good ones included.

>>380494114
SMT4A not SMT4 definitely has harder bosses then Nocturne in a degree. If you don't walk in read to exploit a weakness with a solid defensive game you will lose on War or above.

Nocturne was more fun in the way that you could win with good decisions and buffs though and had a actual defensive stat so i prefer it But SMT4A was rougher boss wise. Nocturne had real dungeons though.

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>>380494261
>art design is garbage
yes

>>380494343
Left* my bad

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk9ECLzGCrA

>The comfort of death will come, for men and demons alike...
>...by the guidance of the Great Will

Is this a meta message?
As in, casuals and hardcore player will die atleast once but the true victor is the one who stays determined by his will?

>>380493864
You'll probably like it more then nocturne it has a neat setting and you have actual human people keeping you company so now there are actual people reacting to the events that you witness.
You also have an actual goal.

>>380494343
it does though, the only good thing about IV is its music

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>>380491836
SINGLE USE
I
N
G
L
E

U
S
E

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>>380494398
>forgetting this beautiful motherfucker

>>380494465
What is this? I've mevr seen this in IV. Is it one of the fiends?

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>>380494625

>>380494630
I've always thought this stupid piece of shit looked like a CG diagram in a lego manual

>>380494509
>You also have an actual goal.

NO. that's fucking wrong. SMT IV meanders with no goal for a really long time before the main plot sets in

Nocturne establishes almost right away that the one who collects the most maggot sushi will remake the world once they reach cat gut sushi

>>380491836
Is it even worth holding onto (High)Pixie/Queen Mab for Uber Pixie?

>>380494465
>Weak to nothing besides gun and hurt by almighty obviously.
>The second you use gun starts spamming a all hit that has a 30% chance to cause loss

What a shitty fucking boss fight. Basically try to nuke his ass in 2 turns just like Masakado fucking trash.

>>380494661
he's dlc

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>>380494661
One of the dlc super bosses.
You go back to infernal tokyo to fight him.

>>380494661
It's an SMT boss that for some reason has Demifiend's skills and resistances

OP is a flebOP is a pleb

>>380494760
No, because you can fuse her into anything you like, as long as you keep her descendant in your inventory she'll change to uber pixie.

>>380494465
This guy is the Demi-fiend I swear. His stats and abilities are too similar.

>>380495010
*DLC boss

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>>380495108
>demi-fiend turned into a huge one-wheeled retard

pls no

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>>380494398
There are also Tenkai, Napaea, Yaso Magatsuhi and Dullahan.

Also for some reason Koga Saburo the Kamen Rider reject grows on me in the 2nd fight

>>380495020
Well that's good to know, I'm pretty tired of High Pixie being useless

>>380494751
You are looking for the black samurai that is your goal.
In nocturne you just kinda fuck around figuring shit out about what the fuck happend while you were out, others are collecting magatsuhi, but collecting magatsuhi isn't your goal.

>>380495010
>>380495108
>As the second part of the fight initiates, Sanat will mention he will take Flynn to the "true war", asking whether Flynn understands what he's talking about. Regardless of the answer, Sanat will clarify he meant the war against "the dispensation of the universe"

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"hardcore" or extremely difficult turn-based RPGs will never be fun because getting good at the game revolves around stats and level grinding. There's very little skill involved, and any "skill" that is involved is usually finding whatever gimmick you need to use in order to effectively beat a boss (i.e. boss is weak to a certain attack, boss telegraphs when he's going to use a devastating move, needing to use certain buffs/debuffs at the right moments, etc.)

There's a reason that JRPGs like Nocturne are associated with basement dwelling permavirgin 30 somethings who can't hold a job more than a month and still live with mommy and daddy.

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>>380495298
>you will never steal her head and endlessly face fuck it while the body roams around, confused and alone

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>>380495459
>Nocturne
>Grinding

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>>380495227
Poor little Demi-fiend

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>>380495459
>extremely difficult

>>380495540
>her

>>380495459
>Level grinding
>Nocturne
>Any SMT besides maybe DDS
Boi

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>>380495561
>Sanat will only begin using Gaea Rage if his weakness to Gun is exploited

What the fuck kind of game design it this? So your options are Almighty or is weakness, and get punished for exploiting it?

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Mana Bonus vs. Mana Drain?

>>380495890
neither

world of strenkth

>>380495814
You can also use pierce and the arch angels.have elemental magic that have pierce.

>>380496005
What about buffs and debuffs?

>>380495774
SJ's final bosses do requires some grinding. IV:A's Twisted Tokyo too

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>>380496020
>have to buy more dlc to beat the dlc boss

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>380496189
wolrd

of

STRNKTH

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>>380495459
>first part is a plausible explanation as to why some player find a battle either piss easy or literally impossible

>second part is an unnessecary insult which just welcomes other anons to shit on your equally

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>>380496195
*blocks your path*

>>380496202
You need almost all the DLC skills to beat Masakado even. Atlus was crazy jewish back then

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>>380496202
>not hacking dlc into your game for free.

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>>380496364
GO AWAY YOU CUNT

>>380496189
Only thing that's worth it on Demi is Fog Breath
Rest just put on your other shitters

>>380495459
>implying that "grinding" is any different than getting good at some competitive shithole game.

>>380493864

4 Apocolypse is considered the better game but the plot is iffy if you don't know 4's as everyone spends the game circle jerking 4's protag.

>>380496364
>tfw people were saying doomguy was just the vending machine but with him I was able to beat her without issues

That fucking almighty shotgun is overpowered.

>>380493635
wait you think crits are what makes mot hard?

>>380496427
They still are when it comes to dlc

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smt iv had some BAD guest artists but I liked this lil dude and one of the archangels

>>380496679
No I'm saying that other bosses can get lucky with a crit and kill you even with Fog Breath, while Mot doesn't have this problem
I don't think he even can basic attack you

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>>380490520
Iphones save all files to image.jpg, A post from a android phone is indistinguishable from a computer post
T.phonepost

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>>380496884
>iphone posters

>>380486818
this game is not for casuals, casual.

>>380488173
8 and then my brain shat itself

>Girl's Mind in SMT1

What's the best reason and why is it Yosuga?

>>380497387
Same I had the right idea, but my brain couldn't figure out the last part.

>>380488173
I played Nocturne before I had internet so I had no choice but to do it on my own. Took fucking forever though

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>>380497681
Musubi for all time, nigger

>not wanting to be the god of your own mind universe

PLEB

>>380497596
>Girl's Mind in SMT1 AND The Diamond Realm

>>380496525
It sort of is. I'm not just talking about competitive games either. Any good game (as in a game that decently challenges the player without being frustratingly difficult) requires you to slowly get better at the game in order to beat increasingly difficult challenges that the game presents in order to beat the game. This is why video games are satisfying, because as you play the game you get better at it until finally you can overcome all of the obstacles presented and finally beat the game.

Fighting monsters until the player character gets better stats isn't nearly as satisfying as fighting monsters until the player is skilled enough and has a better understanding of the game's mechanics to fight tougher monsters. This is why RPGs (and I mean 'RPGs', not shit like Nier or Skyrim that's partially an RPG and partially another genre) are shallow and aren't nearly as satisfying as literally any other genre that actually requires skill.

RPGs like Shin Megami Tensei are the potato chip equivalent to video games. They're fun, but have no substance and only serve as something to eat in between real meals.

>>380497596
That was where I decided to not go any further until I got Estoma. Those Nightmares that Shibaboo you over and over that you were too much.

>>380497957
Have fun ceasing to exist as an individual because there aren't other people to compare yourself with.

>>380497957
LOOK AT THAT LOSER

>>380485798
It was very tough but fun.
Once you get the special picasa from the kalpas the game doubles in fun because you pretty much have an on/off button for encounters with it.

>>380498058
It's not so bad if you'll use maps

>>380498217
whatever, nerd. I can just make my own people. I dont care if they dont have "souls" or whatever. If they act like real humans then what's the difference? the manikins were pretty human-like, right?

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>>380497681
>>380497957
>there are people who chose the non-true demon ending
GET OUT MY VORTEX STRENGTHLETS REEEEEE

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>>380498409
have fun being Lucifer's boy-toy

>>380498145
Please, stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about, I know it's summer but this is way too much shitposting already.

>>380498372
I think Manikins did have souls, they just had more than one. Because Futomimi had the soul of that serial killer and Sakahagi had the salary mans soul, as I recall.

>>380498487
>toy when i can wreck his shit

>>380498692
obviously he was not at full strongth you moron

why would he waste that on you when he needs to rest up for the big battle with giant yellow costanza head

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>>380498409
>>380498487
>Not returning everytging back to normal and cuck that faggot loser friend of yours by fucking your teacher

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>>380498058
SMT 1 gave me PTSD, I got shivers just from reading your post. I had never played a DRPG before and got lost just in the beginning areas. By the end I had a headache every time I played the game.

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>>380498859
Because someone already did his job for him.

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>Aleph and Flynn kill Lucifer
>While the biggest loser only "wins" in a sparring match

Is there anyway to stop the Baal Avatar's pets from cancelling my buffs?

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>>380499074
>Demi-fiend and Lucy job against YHVH

>>380499202
Don't even let them get summoned. Power up, maybe chip Baal until she's nearly half HP, then smash the remainder of her HP before she can move again.

>>380499074

Technically, he and Flynn were both responsible. Flynn leads his own party in the fight.

>>380499202
kill ose and ignore the other one

>>380499224
The only question left is whether Nanashi and the rest of the servants of the Great Will will be able to defeat Lucifer, multiverse YHVH and Stephen's neutralfags.

>>380499550
He already killed lucy and yhvh though.l, easy peasy lemon squeezy

>>380499550

Flynn kills Lucifer in SMT4 and Nanashi kills him in 4A so he's dead.

>>380499426
I get the feeling that's going to be difficult considering that the most amount of damage I can do in a single turn is around 2500 and only myself and 2 other demons have Focus.

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>>380499763
>>380499826
That was just the fake bodydouble Lucifer YHVH made by splitting Satan, the true Lucifer is off abducting boys to turn into demons. Trying to defeat true YHVH, if it can even be done, will also probably be a challenging feat. Then you have Steven running around shitting up more timelines with COMPS and summoning programs. It'll be harder than it looks.

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>>380500329
>That was just the fake bodydouble Lucifer
Give me one canon source.