So who was right?

SJWs win again

>>380481227

Either Miriam or Lal.

All the others are their own distinct kind of insane.

Morgan and Zakharov before he went full planet

>>380481227

Only one who doesn't wanna transform society into some futuristic nightmare is Miriam.

>>380482028
The expedition to AC happened because people like Morgan ruined Earth.

morgan is ok

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>>380481227
Sup

>>380482020
I want to dispute that... But I really can't. When I played years ago, I was in my 'fuck all religion' phase, but if I played again, I'd probably give Miriam a try... If not for her crippling lack of research.

Lal was a bro. I never got why practically no-one I've ever spoken to liked him. I even managed to trick my English teacher once into framing one of his quotes and putting it on the wall.

>"Freeflow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. For the free nation constricting its grip on public discourse has begun the rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."

>>380481227

This game is so quoteable.

What's your favourite?

Miriam

>>380483946
this anon
>>380483678
already posted my favorite quote.

>>380482020
pretty much this. I love Morgan, and I loved playing the faction style, but he, along with pretty much else, is fucking insane in some way. Zakharov was cool too, until he went full retard with the planet garbage.

>>380481817
No, this is just how you do actual diversity, you every character and actual character, and more than anything, you focus on the only diversity that matters, diversity of thought.

>>380481227
I wish Morgan was an actually free market thinker or an an-cap or something. He just comes off as a short sighted parody of 80s business men.

That being said Lal.

>game starts with Zakharov being the rational one and Miriam being portrayed as the crazy fundamentalist
>as the game progresses Zakharov becomes an obsessed fundamentalist while Miriam becomes more rational and skeptical about the course humanity is taking

love this kind of pottery

>>380484423
>diversity of thought
well put

>>380482632

and was only possible because people like Morgan created the technology and infrastructure to launch a colony ship

also Deirde has mind worms in her vajayjay

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>>380481227
As annoying as Miriam was in the game she probably had the best future.

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>>380484883
>implying she wasn't

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>>380485175
>implying she was

>>380484683

I have to wonder how much thought they put into that. Most people who play the game react with "lol fuck religion" to Miriam and "lol SCIENCE bitch!!" to Zakharov. The twist in expectations poetic justice.

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>>380481227
Miriam

>>380481227

Since Planet actually was alive and some sort of Psychic entity, Deirdre was probably right after all.

I don't know if Alien Crossfire is canon, but since the presence of actual alien races is confirmed, humankind needed to accelerate its evolution and potential in all sectors at a pace that exceeded even morgan and zarkovs ambition.

Harnessing the psychic potential of planet was probably key to human survival, so wiping out and sterilizing it might be a bad idea.

>play as a kid
>ah yes deirdre sounds like the sensible one

>play it now
>wow everyone's fucking insane except miriam morgan and lal

here's the GURPS
if anyone's interested
mega:#!V1QWnKQR!Sbzkg_5DrNfk7U-P-ffrk2fJDegoKmbprb1ZqBVmLpA

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>>380484423
>Diversity of thought
Fucking hell, how did one 18-year-old game get more right about diversity than half a planet of leftist dipshits can today?

And why do I get the feeling that if it came out now, /v/ would still hate it and declare it to be SJW cuckery?

>>380485784
Exactly the path I took, minus the moment where I violently abandoned Deirdre and went full Morgan for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBBA4EA8EABF39223

>>380482020
>>380482028
>>380484636
>>380485784

I played the game many years ago as Zacharov. Refresh my memory, what exactly did he do that you call him insane.

>>380481227
>thread about one of the best games of all times
>slow as shit on nu-/v/

wow, nu-/v/ has shit taste, who would have thought.

>>380483678
I'm still convinced that SMAC was made by time travelers.

I wish we got another civ game based on ideologies rather than countries/historical civs

>>380487297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDgXQPxzY8E&list=PLBBA4EA8EABF39223&index=33
Refers to the planet as god, wants to merge with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB46XpnwhrA&list=PLBBA4EA8EABF39223&index=30

>>380487809

It's not like there have been hundreds of threads about this fantastic game over the years...shit, it's almost like people have said everything there is to say about it!

>>380487809
>wanting a fast thread

They're just shitposting threads

>>380488267
Ah OK. I don't remember those. But on the other hand my english was rather poor at that time so maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

>>380486105
Thank you!

>>380487297
He seems like an einstein figure at first, science is full of wonder an shit, until you realize his society works mengele style. There's a reason for all those drones.

He hides it more than shang at least.

>>380490035
I dunno. Einstein wasn't antagonistic to spiritualism/religion, while Zakharov makes his materialism to be one of his defining points.
He's more like the model Soviet scientist, really.

>>380486223

>And why do I get the feeling that if it came out now, /v/ would still hate it and declare it to be SJW cuckery?

Because if it came out now, it would be nowhere like the game we know now and it would be widely different. With a Season Pass. And DLC Factions. And unit skins.

>>380493012
terrible attitude, kys

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>>380493012

None of them
They all got put on one ship because humanity needs all of their attributes to survive.

Morgan represented Capitalism and Corporatism
Lal represented Diplomacy and Cooperation
Miriam represented Fanaticism and Theocracy
Santiago represented Militarism and Survivalism
Deidre represented Environmental Consciousness and Pacifism
Sakharov represented Technocracy and Science
Yang represented Legalism and Totalitarianism

>>380493787
>deirdre
>pacifism

>>380493721

That's an expansion pack anon.

>>380493607

But it's true, the overall design direction of the game would have been totally different if made today.

>making your expansions available online and calling them DLC instead somehow makes them way worse or better or something I'm fucking retarded

>>380494198
yeah, except if it wasn't

>>380494057
And that's also what they did for Beyond Earth

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>Beyond Earth could have been AC reborn, but instead it was... that

>>380494340

I'm not talking about back then dude, i'm talking about if the game was to be made now today. EA still owns the Alpha Centauri name.

>>380494206
99% of DLC is nowhere near the level of content in an old expansion pack

>>380494375

Yeah but here's where the two games diverge, Beyond Earth was awful at launch and the base game was garbage, I haven't played the expansion for it so I do not know if it improved the game much or not. SMAC was pretty much great on release with good AI, diplomacy and a core game.

Morgan was on the ship because he was a talented economist.
Zakharov was on the ship because he is a genius and brilliant scientist.
Deidre was on the ship to make sure that nobody forgets how pollution and lack of respect for nature ruined Earth.

Everyone had the job to be a good person but in Alpha Centauri they all get corrupted by their own ideals.

Deidres love for Planet makes her brainwash her own and other people with worms.
Morgan would sell a bottle of air for a dollar and Zak doesn't have any kind of morals.

>>380494496
I actually quite like Beyond Earth, but you're right, it wasn't Alpha Centauri.

Beyond Earth was perfectly serviceable, but didn't do anything special and didn't really explore its core idea of transhumanism as well as it could. Alpha Centauri on the other hand, FORCED us to look at the dark side of these amazing, futuristic societies we were creating, governing and fighting over.

BE could have gone the route of, "Okay, we know why the future's good, we've seen why it could be bad; now let's look at the good that can be found alongside the bad," but instead it kind of didn't do anything...

>>380493787
All of them represented fanaticism, anon. That was the point.
Each of the factions (except for maybe the ayys) were taken to various ideological extremes.

>>380494636
>the fact that it's easier to release shovelware nowadays because of the internet is bad somehow even though it's not

>>380494884

And Santiago killed the captain.

>>380494884
>Morgan was on the ship because he was a talented economist.
Didn't he just pay his way into the ship? I don't think he was meant to be there.

>>380496006
He paid his way into it but at the end thats something they allowed

>>380494884
Morgan was a stowaway, actually. He had himself smuggled on board, since he financed most of the operation. He wasn't part of the crew.
Zakharov's part wasn't just to be "le brilliant scienceman", but to maintain the ship. He was also the project lead in the building of it, so there's that too.
Deirdre was just a botanical officer under Zakharov, her position had nothing to do with any eco-preaching.
>>380495486
She didn't. An eco cultist did.

>>380481227
Chairman Yang

>>380481227
I've never played AC but I keep coming through these threads and finding people talking it up.

Is it great after all these years. I do like 4x games, but I love ones where unethical practices and dystopian policies are possible.

>>380481227
Brother Lal

>>380494857

BE and the expansion has the best diplomacy of any Civ title. I was surprised they didn't incorporate it into Civ6 since it's so damn good.

>>380495009

Yeah, one the biggest warning signs for me was that the factions were based on nations instead of ideas and philosophies. It's not inherently a bad game but it wasn't a good successor to SMAC, spiritual or not.

They also entirely dropped any support for the game after the expansion which really pisses me off. With proper patches, DLC and content updates it would have been a really good space 4X game, but now it's forever stuck being mediocre.

>>380496006

He was technically a stowaway. His company financed the unity mission and he had a secret area for himself built.

>>380481227
Whoever got to being a brain in a jar enlessly being regenerated and conected to matrix first, as it's the objetive all of humanity should aspire to.

>>380496152

>She didn't. An eco cultist did.

Really? I could have sworn it was Santiago's faction.

>>380496428

The best thing about SMAC is the setting and characters. The gameplay itself is kind of 'meh' to be honest and doesn't quite hold up. It's definately worth a playthrough however and get a feel for it yourself. You can get it on GoG for cheap as fuck.

>>380496435

>BE and the expansion has the best diplomacy of any Civ title. I was surprised they didn't incorporate it into Civ6 since it's so damn good.

Alright if you say so the expansion is good then i'll give it a try.

>>380496680
Santiago started the mutiny that set all the clusterfuck in motion, but she and her faction weren't directly responsible for killing the captain.

>tfw got this game for free with my first PC

>>380496829
The expansion IS good, but again, it's not great. It's just okay. A 7/10 bringing you enjoyment for a couple dozen hours, but nothing that sticks with you.

>>380481227
The entire point of the game was that every ideology had its benefits and its problems, and that all of them taken to their extremes were equally terrible in different ways.

The closest to right would therefore be Lal, but rigid obsession with democracy and inclusiveness comes at the cost of efficiency, flexibility and stability necessary for a society to survive crisis situations.

>>380496829
>>380497138

Yeah, it doesn't magically make the game a perfect title, but it adds a bit of neat stuff. The updated diplomacy was one of the highlights. Would have been fun to see what the game could have been if it was supported.

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>>380496737
I always like the unit editor the game had, you could do really fun stuff with it, I remember in a multiplayer game with a friend I once built stealth terraformers and stealth seaformers and used them to sink all his cities into the sea

>>380496680
Here's the prequel. I don't remember if they cover the murder in this one, or the later ones, though.
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Journey_to_Centauri

>>380496475
>that quote from a brain in a jar wondering if he was just a brain in a jar before his observers mark him for termination

Should I use the expansion for a first playthrough?

>>380498709
Get it for the extra techs
Disable the new factions

>>380498709
For a first playthrough? Probably not. The aliens have a tendency to wreck comfy games. I mean, unless you really want to play as one of the new factions the first time around.

>>380498709
>for a first playthrough
Absolutely not.

Morgan was right. Fuck the future generations, get the resources now.

Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with genejacks

>>380497473
this guy gets it

How do I get into 4X games? I always feel like I don't know what the fuck I am doing, and eventually I get bored when the game gets to the point where you have to do 30+ different things per turn

>>380501471
don't bother they're not very good

>>380501471
What >>380503228 said is bullshit, but it is possible that 4x games might not be the genre for you, Anon.

What draws you to them in the first place, if you don't like management and taking your sweet time to fine-tune your empire?

>>380503868
not bullshit. they're always vs AI and the AI is always trash

Anyone want to give a maymay rundown on these guys and what each of their crazy philosophies are?

>>380481227
Yang, literally alpha. Destroy or conquer all the others

>>380504683
That's Santiago.
Yang is about running an ant colony.

>>380504648

Morgan = EXTREME CAPITALISTS
Zakharov = EXTREME SCIENTISTS
Miriam = EXTREME FUNDAMENTALISTS
Yang = EXTREME INDUSTRIALISTS
Santiago = EXTREME MILITANTS
Deidre = EXTREME ENVIRONMENTALISTS
Lal = EXTREME WAIFUS

>>380505182
Most of those are wrong, tbqh.

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>>380505378

I'm aware that each faction has various philosophies of morally grey areas. The post is meant to be a joke anon, A JOKE.

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>>380481227

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>>380505842
Your jokey generalizations are wrong, tbqh.

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>>380499829
>Trump liked your post

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>>380486223
>how did one 18-year-old game get more right about diversity
simple, it came at a time before your defences were up, before you became predisposed to raise your heckles at the very appearance of diversity.

Back then when you saw a group like that you took no notice and you played the game. Now at the very sight of a woman or a black person, we'll get about 300 threads a day talking about how shoehorned it is before the game actually drops and we get to see what it's about.

If that game were released today, not a single thing changed about it, and we could see the leaders in the trailer, it would get ripped apart. Same thing is true of any of the classics.

It got that shit right because we hadn't yet been trained to think it was wrong. Thanks contemporary identity politics! Thanks /v/!

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>>380486223
>And why do I get the feeling that if it came out now, /v/ would still hate it and declare it to be SJW cuckery?
Because Beyond Earth happened and we saw it happen.

>>380504337
do MP 4x then. it's super legit

>>380481227
Everyone had their own justified motivations. Except for Yang___.

>>380486223
>/v/ would still hate it and declare it to be SJW cuckery?

this is exactly right and it saddens me

>>380506763
I honestly have no strong feelings about if a character is black or female or whatever. I care about how they're characterised and AC's characters are all so much more than their ethnicity.

I actively hate /v/'s knee-jerk response just as much as I hate the left's cunty identity politics; I'd rather actually form an informed opinion. You're half-right though. I think AC did it so well because it was before the modern wave of bullshit. They felt no compulsion to fall in line with the crap one side or the other was pushing, because there wasn't nearly as much of it back before 2010.

>>380506963
BE didn't even try to address that shit one way or the other, what are you talking about? Rather than AC's approach of making the characters more than their race/gender, BE simply made it so they were LESS than their race/gender and infinitely interchangeable with a cardboard cutout. Any characterisation they had was just window-dressing, while in AC it was integral to who they were.

>>380508985
>Any characterisation they had was just window-dressing, while in AC it was integral to who they were.
This is only true if you consider the supplemental material. In the actual games, the characters were little more than paragons for their respective ideology and could've easily had interchangeable race and gender.

>>380481227
That russian dude.

>>380510082
What about the secret project quotes? In AC you always were told a little about who they were or what they believed in.

In BE, it's mostly purely utilitarian - make the colony do better. There's little discussion about their ideologies or beliefs; they might as well be reading from an instruction manual.

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>>380508985
>I honestly have no strong feelings about if a character is black or female or whatever
so do most of us, when we're not posting on /v/

but on /v/ it's common knowledge that pretending like you're outraged about the aesthetics of a character will attract a bunch of other idiots who like to pretend they're outraged, as well as a whole bunch of idiots who actually are outraged

what a great place to discuss videogames

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>>380482020
>All the others are their own distinct kind of insane.
The quotes are basically all you need to know who the good guy is.

>>380486223
But the game didn't come out now. You're getting angry at a purely imaginary scenario

>>380485489
The GURPS RPG book is not 100% canon but the writers did talk to a number of the devs during the writing process and found that A lot of thought was put into the ideologies of the game.

>>380511457
What's the quote? "Any community that gets its kicks by pretending to be idiots, will inevitably be over-run with genuine idiots, who mistakenly believe they are in good company."

Hence why I don't ever post about the shit you mentioned. Be the change you wish to see and all that.

And yes, I realise that is utterly, completely and totally pointless.

>>380511750
It's not that no-one else EVER had any good points... Pretty much everyone by Yang had moments where you agreed with them, but Miriam and ESPECIALLY Lal were the ones you agreed with most often, because in spite of the fact one of them was a Muh Jezus fundie, they were often the only sane people on the entire goddamn planet...

>>380511797
Less angry, more just accepting and disappointed. No point getting your knickers in a twist over what can't be changed.

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>>380511750
The real joke in SMAC is that all of the leaders were good.

Except Yang. He was sort of an asshole. He's still based, though.

>>380481227
>the rural and suburban retards faction was right
What other games do this?

>>380513351
I don't like this post

>tfw realizing that the faction leaders would be teenagers right now IRL

Yang would be allowed to post on 4chan this year

>>380481227
Yang and Santiago are the only ones demonstrably wrong.

Zakharov was right, because without his mindset the mission would never have been conceived.
Morgan was right, because without his money, and the mechanisms that allowed him to gather it, the mission would never have gone ahead
Deidre was right, because unchecked expansion fucked Earth up
Miriam was right, because progress without thought will cause history to repeat
Lal was right, because without his philosophy mankind will just be lead by the nose by one of the above

Yang expects everyone to live as he does, without realising that not everyone has his capacities.
Santiago is irrelevant in a society that can defend itself already.

>>380513692
he would almost certainly think your favourite vidya is shit

>>380513887
>not everyone has his capacities
Two words for you: nerve stapling

>>380514579
Three words.
I'm not typing them, because they're echoing in your head already.

>>380513186
>>380513887
Yang is at his simplest an advocate for collective effort. Obviously he takes it to the extreme where every individual is an irrelevant ant whose only function is to better the collective whole, but without individual sacrifice and collective effort the mission would never have succeeded. We all want to live in a sunshine rainbow and flower world where everyone is happy and there's plenty for all but people like Yang and Santiago are necessary to keep that society running efficiently and capable of defending itself.

Does Alien Crossfire add anything to the base game?
Should I play vanilla, or Alien Crossfire with only the original leaders?